impeachment special. in fact, there is major breaking news on the impeachment front. "the new york times" tonight reporting that in john bolton's book that donald trump's former national security adviser outlines precisely the quid pro quo charged in article one of president trump's impeachment now being tried in the senate. the times reports that trump told bolton he wanted to continue freezing $391 million in security assistance to ukraine until officials there helped with investigations into the bidens. we will talk much more about that bombshell, the reporter that broke that. we begin of course tonight with the just awful, awful news out of california, kobe bryant's sudden death. the helicopter crashed near los angeles. police have the helicopter

flight manifest. nbc news has learned kobe's 13-year-old daughter, john altobelli, his wife and daughter were all killed in that crash. the helicopter was taking the passengers to a travel basketball game when it went down. bryant was known to take his helicopter to games and events. people have been flocking to the arena, staples center leaving tributes. bryant was a cultural icon. dominated an entire generation of the nba. he entered the league right out of high school. no longer able to do that largely because of folks like him and kevin garnett. he was drafted 13th overall by the charlotte hornets but traded to the lakers. he retired at the end of 2016 season, capping off a two decade

career with one team, which is an increasing rarity. in fact, almost never happened. he won five nbc champions, two final mvp awards, an all star 18 consecutive years. he scored monster 33,643 points, good enough for number four all-time. although, a week ago would have been number three. his final tweet was a celebration of the man who knocked him out of the number three spot as lebron james passed him in points scored just last night. the man that sits on top of that list, kareem abdul-jabbar paid tribute this afternoon. >> it's very difficult for me to put in words how i feel about the loss of kobe bryant. he was an incredible athlete and a leader in a lot of ways. he inspired a whole generation

of young athletes. kobe, my thoughts are with you absolutely. rest in piece, young man. >> he won olympic gold medals in 2008 buy beijing and 2012 london. for folks that are my age, my generation, particularly basketball fans or just people of the culture, i'm 40 years old, kobe bryant was 41 when he died. he towered over the nba. sometimes as hero and sometimes as villain. he went through an entire lifetime of growing up in the public eye coming out right out of high school, becoming a star instantly. he was a controversial character. he was a beloved figure. he had changed, i think, quite a

bit in the later part of his life, especially being a father, a mentor as he raised the girls who are now missing a father. but he was a transformative figure for a league that was losing michael jordan as he entered it. i will talk a little bit about his life and times now. but first the latest from the scene of the crash in calabases, california. steve, we have more information but not all of it. what's the latest now? >> reporter: more to come. federal investigators will have to take a cross country trip. that's what they're doing right now from washington, d.c. to the scene here. the objective is to get to the bottom of how in the heck this happened as quickly and as carefully as possible. investigators will be focussed on the hillside which is completely dark behind me. there are still teams up there. i can still see flashlights as

crews are working to secure the scene. speaking to witnesses today, they say there was a loud explosion, a booming sound followed by a fireball, obviously, a giant fire in the sky. in fact, most of the effort as fire crews and first responders got on scene was to contain the fire. as we now see some police activity behind me. there is about a quarter acre fire that was very difficult to contain because of magnesium that was very near to the scene if not onboard or part of what was contained on the helicopter. and, so, that was the first effort. the second effort came here with the announcement of first five dead. then it was nine dead according to that manifest, as you mentioned. and then we started to learn that, yes, in fact it was kobe bryant on board the plane. yes, in fact, it was his 13-year-old daughter and the pilot. as we started learning more about the information about who was onboard, the crowd that had

gathered here, you can see the visible change in people that had come to the scene i think really to confirm for themselves that this had happened. the news was so unbelievable for so long in the city of los angeles that i think some people just had to come and see it for themselves. in fact, the only way you can really get here because police have such a tight cordoned off on in the in so many directions is to park and then walk maybe at least a mile so you can gather here to see basically what we have been seeing all day, which is that smolders wreckage up in the hillside up there which is now dark. now you can't really see anything. and still people are here looking up. there is still people. i don't know how far you can see down here. people in kobe bryant jerseys are down there. obviously, yes, the national media is here. yes, the federal authorities and people are trying to keep the scene tight are here. but there is still so many fans and onlookers and mourners.

we have been seeing them cry and sob all day. it is a heart-breaking scene. but mostly disbelief. people with this stunned stare on fair face looking up at the scene. it's been a really heart-breaking day i think for folks that are anywhere near this. >> we will keep monitoring developments. i want to bring in our nbc correspondent outside the staples center where the los angeles lakers play in los angeles. fans have been gathering there since the news of kobe bryant's death. i think we will join him in just a second. i want to bring in the host of the daily podcast, "the gist." and retired nba veteran thomas. mike, let me start with you here at the desk. you know, you feel -- you end up feeling like you know people

that you don't know when you are in -- when they are in your life, when you watch them as long as we watched kobe bryant during these formative years. i think the personal grief people are experiencing is a testament to that. >> yes. and when you see them change and when you appreciate their growth and it reflects something in you that you can see, it's not just the comic book villain if you are not a lakers fan, i don't know how people would react. people will react with mourning, but i did think that there would be a part of it, well, i never liked him because he wasn't on my team. what i think has surprised me a little bit is his death cuts through just the allegiances of fan dom, and he really spoke to a broader aspect of the culture, which is that we don't really have a mono culture. we look at things from our own

perspective. when kobe bryant dies, we can take a step back and say, what a great player. look at these other things he did off the court. i think people were really excited in a way you don't ever really see with a former athlete, were really excited to see what he would do in his post paying days. he started with an oscar and getting better from there. >> he was only 41. he's obviously extremely, extremely smart guy. there is no question about that. he was multilingual. he had grown up abroad. he had huge sort of -- he had incredible verbal dexterity as well. he was able to carry himself in interviews. he had a kind of performtive streak. what was your experience like playing against him competing with him? >> well, you know, everybody knows what he accomplished on the court. but the thing that i admire about him the most was seeing him as a father, you know, as a father myself.

and i spent the day yesterday at my daughter's volleyball tournament, you know. and just seeing him and the images of him with his daughter, you know, coaching them and he coaches their team and sitting court side and breaking down everything to her, the ins and outs of the game, those are precious moments, especially for a blackman where the overprevailing narrative is that we aren't involved in our chairpers children's life, especially for a black athlete. there is a lot of things he has been able to go against the grain on and really show, which is why he's looked at as so much more overall outside of basketball. >> yeah. that clip we're playing right there he's talking to his daughter and they're watching a game and they're going through some bit of xs and os and it just happened a moment on the court, why the decision has shook out the way that it had and this sort of moment of

recognition if she is listening to get that info for that. i want to play this amazing clip of him talking about his older who wanted to be a professional basketball player like his father was before him. he's talking to jimmy kimmel. take a listen. >> the best thing that happens is when you go out and fans will come up to me and she will be standing next to me like, hey, you got to have a boy. you have to have a boy to carry on your tradition. she's like, oi, i got this. >> you know, dave, he was -- he was a larger than life figure throughout the period of time in the nba. partly because i think he came into the league so young and also at the tail end of the jordan years and clearly aspired to -- i mean, he studied jordan. he talked about jordan all the time. he talked about jordan's work ethic and practicing michael jordan's moves. he saw himself as destined to

take that role. >> this is how focussed kobe bryant was at the age of 17. he was asked to be in the monica/brandy video "that boy is mine" and he said no because he was entering the nba draft and didn't want to look like he was distracted to nba executives. that was kobe from day one. you have to have that kind of focus. i keep thinking of a story that another player told me about playing with jordan -- i'm sorry, playing with kobe on the lakers and kobe showing up to practice two hours early without a ball and just doing his moves on the court without a ball and practicing his foot work over and over again just playing against his own shadow and he told me he had just never seen anything like that. when it came to focus, kobe was in a league of his own, and it just added to his legend. he was a polarizing figure.

there is that expression, the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. i wasn't indifferent towards kobe bryant. but on my son's basketball team, which i coach sixth grade team, when they shoot turn-around shots in the air, they say kobe. these kids were born in 2008/2009, but that's what happens when a polarizing figure solidifies into legend. >> bryant had become a kind of like father of the nba in retirement in a way that i thought was very interesting and a role that he clearly relished like being in the front seats with his daughters at lakers games and coming and getting a pound from lebron in between plays. like there was a kind of -- the guy was only 41 years old, right? but because he had come so young had achieved this elder statesman role already. >> he certainly had. and that's one of the things

about this that is on top of so many other things that makes this so sad is you think about him and he had been growing into this role where he had sort of become very different from michael jordan and some of the other players. he was a godfather to some of the new generation. you don't see that closeness that other players -- as kobe had with them. for example, you look at jayson tatum and kyrie irving and all these players going in the off season to work with kobe and there is a connection to him. i think that because the nba is such a relatively young league, you think about these guys. you think about all these years that we would have had kobe bryant in that mix for the next 30, 40 years. it's an incredibly sad story. >> you know, i feel compelled to note that when we talk about this sort of villain that he could be in public perception both as a player and as a person, the turning point for that, the invention of the

nickname black mamba, he says himself, is when he was arrested and accused of rape. those chargers would later be dropped. he issued a statement in which he said we had sexual intercourse and this woman did not consent to it. it was remarkable and upsetting statement in many ways. that was the moment of the peak infamy in the life of kobe bryant and also he -- he had 17 more years in the league after that or 17 more years in the public eye after that. >> yeah. this statement was made -- it is about 15 years ago now, maybe 17 years now. and i'm going to credit dave here who i didn't realize this, but he did -- you could fill me in. he interviewed an activist, men can stop rape and the man that ran that organization credited kobe bryant with writing the best apology from a man he had

ever read. it didn't lead to any criminal charges, but he did acknowledge that at least in the victim's eyes there was not consent. and i think we have to allow for growth. and main we don't want our vil ra -- villains to grow. we can do that from the basketball perspective. but if you took any measure of the man and what he became, when we say hard work, i want to point this out because it is true. he didn't come into the league as this guy was not going to be zion williamson or lebron james necessarily. he was the 13th overall pick. >> that's crazy to me he was the 13th overall pick. >> and charlotte said, we can't really use you right now or he might have been using that for motivation against charlotte. but a lot of guys work hard. how he thought about working hard included a creativity that very few have. he even defined working hard as working on his writing in the off season or during his off

time. not going to clubs, but being a creative person. i know at times as a poet. so he was ready to become an artist, entrepreneur, youth basketball coach in a really exciting way. >> one thing i think about all the time with lebron james as we watch him who is probably the most famous athlete in the world. kobe bryant was one of the first global folks after michael jordan, global brand icon, players, is just the human struggle of being that young with that much pressure and to grow up the entirety of your post adolescent life in the league, in the public eye, which is something that kobe did before lebron but if lebron has done it and kevin garnett and others. >> you are hearing other athletes now talk about and tweet about different personal experiences they had with kobe and the way he touched their lives. i myself tweeted about it

because after my heart surgery, i ran into him at the verizon center right before we were about to play the lakers and he gave me a hug and said, i've been praying for you since i heard about your surgery. that meant a lot to me. but seeing the different people on social media now pour out and bring up the things about his past or talk about the things you didn't like about him, that's the part that's troubling for me. it's been hours. i mean, sometimes it is okay to be human. you know what i mean? give his family a chance to be able to grieve. and, you know, it's just interesting seeing that part. you see other people on social media that are clowning other people for grieving for somebody who they didn't know. and i find that very interesting as well. i just posted it right before i came out here that, you know, to those people who are clowning the people, you know, keep that same energy when you have a loved one that's passed away and you ask for, you know, social media to pray for you or pray

for your family who they don't know as well. it is interesting watching social media and seeing the different people's reactions. but kobe touched a lot of people's lives. was he perfect? no. but it's okay to be human. allow the family to grieve. it's just been hours. >> dave, the incomprehensible part of this is, of course, the suddenness and of course the loss of his daughter, who he was traveling with, his second oldest. 13-year-old gianna how he talked about her all the time about this bond they had only the sport he loved so much and just the impossible to comprehend grief of that family right now. >> yeah. and i think that's something that people should keep well in mind, is that kobe bryant was somebody who was building a second life for himself. and i know that there are a lot of players in their 20s and 30s,

and lebron james is one of these players, by the way, who look to kobe right now as to being a trail blazer, to being a mogul/activist type, like somebody who could actually leverage the power of being an nba player and leverage the incredit money that they're able to make and do something different than be a coach or even be a general manager or, heck, even being an nba owner. but being a mogul in a different kind of way and a creative, somebody that could have a whole second life, as opposed to, you know, just doing commentary about the game that you once played. so from lebron on people were looking to kobe to blaze that trail. i think that's one of the holes that people with reckoning with right now, the idea that there was this future that people could see and taste for kobe bryant that now all of a sudden is not there. >> you have written about this. you talked about this very issue on my podcast last week about, you know, no matter how highly paid you are, no matter how

celebrated you are as a professional athlete, you are labor. you are not management. there is a boss above you. here is kobe bryant who clearly had huge aspirations to stretch out, to sort of control his own destiny post retirement. >> sure. and he was not just a creative, as dave said, but a creative. he won an oscar. he was doing things with his brain that athletes don't usually get credit for. you could see that there was an enormous potential there. and i think that's -- tom brought up a great point as well. there is a great scope to kobe bryant. you could see he was not limiting himself in terms of what he believed he was capable of. and also in terms of how much he did touch the culture. and i think there is that. also when you are thinking about the splitting of the family and the grieving process of the family, also don't forget the altobelly family as well. you are talking about losing

siblings, losing parents, losing everything. i think the hard part about all of this is what makes it difficult to reconcile is this belief that we have that they have it all because they can afford the helicopters and they have the money and they have the great life and it's all just very, very fragile for everybody. >> i think that's so important. professional athletes are on the receiving end. a lot of emotions from people get projected on to them. but life is precious and life is short. it is just an unimaginable, unfathomable tragedy what happened today. thank you all so much. we'll be right back. any comments doug? yeah. only pay for what you need with liberty mutual. only pay for what you need with liberty mutual. con liberty mutual solo pagas lo que necesitas. only pay for what you need... only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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tonight on the eve of the president's lawyers first full day of defense arguments, we

have yet more evidence that directly undercuts donald trump's defense in the impeachment trial that comes from john bolton who was one of the central foreign policy figures in the administration until his abrupt departure in september last year. president trump told his national security adviser in august that he wanted to continue freezing $391 million in security assistance to ukraine until officials there helped with investigations into democrats, including the bidens. that is obviously an enormous, enormous deal, probably the single biggest piece of evidence since the president's call notes released. according to the times, it has been reviewed my several sources. joining me now on the phone is one of the people that broke that exclosive story, michael smid, washington correspondent

from the new york times and an msnbc contributor. i have read this story several times and each sentence is crazier than the last. what have you learned? >> well, the big question here was what did bolton know and what was he going to testify to if he was subpoenaed and had to answer questions before congress? bolton had said he was willing to testify but we never knew what he had, what was behind that door. and what this story does is it gives us a peek at some of that stuff. he's coming in with a book later this year. he to publish it had to give it to the white house to review it for classified information. that happened several weeks ago. that gave the white house an idea of what he may say. look, as we have seen before that and certainly since then, you know, the white house does not want him to testify. they do not want him to be playing this out publically. as we see tonight, it has pushed

democrats even further to call for what they have been saying all along, for him to testify. but it remains to be seen whether that will have any impact on these republicans who have really fallen into line throughout the impeachment trial. >> in terms of the content of the man you scrip as far as you were able to ascertain, bolton apparently had a -- bolton pressed the president a dozen times, i believe, is the line with mike pompeo and esper about releasing that aid and then has a one-on-one meeting with trump in which trump tells him he doesn't want to release the aid until ukraine does the investigations essentially. >> correct. that's an august meeting that bolton recounts in which he's talking to trump about the aid. it's one of these attempts that bolton made to try and engage the president on the issue. as you pointed out, this was something that mike pompeo and

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so we learned tonight, thanks to "the new york times," that a draft of his new bach, john bolton wrote that the president explicitly told him that he would not release the nearly $400 million in security aid to ukraine unless ukraine helped manufacture dirt to his political rivals. remember, back in december john bolton came out and said he is willing to testify in the senate impeachment trial. they will have another chance to vote on calling john bolton and other witnesses after initial arguments wrap up this week.

this news comes the day after the president's lawyers briefly reviewed their defense. i'm joined by one of the senators who will be deciding the president's fate. she is also running for president, which she does on the weekends. she joins us from the campaign trail in iowa where just yesterday she won the coveted endorsement of the des moines newspaper. how are you doing tonight in. >> i'm doing great tonight. >> what do you make of this news? it is bizarre in many ways. i'm not quite sure what john bolton is up to, frankly. but in terms of the question before your body, which is whether to call witnesses for this trial, what does this news do to the trial that you are certainly currently sitting as a juror in? >> so, look, we started out saying this is a trial. the constitution says it is the senate that tries an impeachment case. and that means witnesses and

documents. i mean, do you know anybody who thinks you do trials without witnesses? if you have got something to produce. and the republicans were all saying, no, no, no. then on saturday they kind of put out their basic argument, and, man, now bolton has really put it to the republicans because a big part of their argument was, hey, this is all hearsay and supposition and people speculating. there is nobody that has any direct evidence that the president was doing a quid pro quo saying i would only release the aid if we could get ukraine to dig up dirt on my political rival. well, now we know. john bolton says he wants people to look at him because he's waving his hand pretty aggressively. >> yes. >> saying i have that information. so how are you going to play this one, republicans? you can't say nobody has direct evidence while there is somebody

out there saying, i have the direct evidence. sounds to me like we're going to have witnesses. >> i imagine -- do i understand this correctly that after the -- there is two more stages to get to under the organizing resolution of mitch mcconnell before you would have a vote on whether there could be witnesses, which is president's lawyers make their arguments. and then there is like 16 hours of questions from the senators. >> yes. >> and then a vote? is that how this works? >> that's exactly right. and then after everyone has spent all of those hours talking about the case and putting forward the evidence that was produced in the house, then, only then, will there actually be a vote on whether or not to produce the witnesses. in other words, once the trial has pretty much been argued and they hope it is over, then they will address the question of whether or not there ought to be witnesses. this is -- this is not what a trial is about. look, for people, wherever you

are on the political spectrum, what the constitution requires is a trial in the senate. and that means a fair trial in the senate, and that means you bring in the evidence. >> yeah. >> if any president, not just trump, but any president can say, hey, i'm just drawing a circle here and nobody gets to go and testify and no documents are produced, what does it mean then to have accountability for a president? however would a senate be able to have an impeachment trial? so this is the constitution that they're starting to pull apart here. >> you are in iowa tonight. you got the des moines register endorsement. >> yes, i did. >> which is a very big deal in the iowa primary. you have been using this phrase sort of unfurled a version of it in the last debate when you talked about you and amy klobuchar never having a loss. you have been using this phrase, women win. and i wonder whether you feel the data in your campaign or

what you hear from voters says that there is some group of voters out there who like you but who are worried essentially that there is a gender tax that female candidates pay, right? that they -- you know, there is a lot of patriarchy and sexism in america and it hurts women candidates. is that how you are thinking when you talk about this? >> look, people are asking the question. so if they're asking the question and i think the right thing to do is let's just address it head on. let's not try to do it kind of around the fringes. let's not try to do it through proxy. let's just take it straight on and look at the data. the world changed when donald trump got elected. this is not 2016. when donald trump got elected, what's happened since then is that women candidates have outperformed men candidates in competitive races. and look at 2018. we took back the house.

we took back state houses around the country, state legislatures. how? women candidates and women who said i am in this fight all the way. women who came in and helped make this happen. don't get me wrong, lots of good men in it, too, but lots of women who gave this lift. so look at the data. you know. look, i'm the only person who is running who has beaten an incumbent republican any time in the last 30 years and we got a lot of evidence. women can make this happen. so women win. let's keep that in mind. let's level that playing field. and now let's talk about some of the issues, how we get people excited, how we get them out there, how we pull our party together and how we pull in some republicans. that's how it is we're going to win. >> i want to ask that question. you said how to pull our party together. do you worry?

i think sometimes people make too much of the natural conflict that happens in a primary because it is an election. that's what conflict is about. but do you worry about that? is that something that's in the back of your mind that the divisions here are the things that are happening between different candidates or camps will make it harder to unify? >> look, what i care about is we have to win. we have to beat donald trump. whoever our democratic nominee is, i'm all in. i'm going to help make this happen. but the best way for us to win is we got to pull our party together. you know how we best do that? let's not have the same old arguments we've had for a long time. let's look at what's really broken in this country. we've got an america right now that works great for rich folks. it works great for giant corporations. it works great for lobbyists. it works great for big drug companies and big oil companies that want to drill everywhere. it's working great for them. it is just not working for the

rest of america. we need to draw the sharp contrast with donald trump. he is the most -- running the most corrupt administration in history. what i want to do is i want to get there and make that fight over corruption. i want to show how it is that we as democrats are going to be in this fight and we are willing to take on the corruption head-on. that's something our whole party can get behind. wealth tax our whole party, expanding social security our whole party. >> you will be on a flight to the corruption trial. so i'll let you go, though. >> you're exactly right. keep this in mind. how did he get his ambassadorship? he paid a million dollars to donald trump's inauguration campaign. it is corruption. we need to call it out. that's how i'm going to beat donald trump. >> senator elizabeth warren, democratic candidate for president, thanks for making

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law school and co-author of the book "to end the presidency." the subject of this interview has changed quite a bit in the last few years. i just want to get your reactions to it. i said earlier in the show, basically since the call notes were released, neil, what do you think about the import of this bolton manuscript? >> it's hugely devastating for the president. so article one of the impeachment against president trump is abuse of power, and the allegation is that he tried to cheat in the 2020 election and pressure the ukrainian government to get dirt on joe biden. and if true and of course we haven't seen the book, but if true corroborate all of that story and say that trump did pressure the ukrainians and held the aid in order to get dirt on biden. the second allegation is -- the second article of impeachment is obstruction of congress.

and, again, here now we have the president, it looks like people in the white house knew these were bolton's views. yet, they went on television as recently as yesterday denying ts anyone with any firsthand knowledge that corroborated this ukrainian pressure account. and coming on top of the lev parnas rev looigss. there wasn't even the last one in the last three days. all together i think it is the trajectory of this is incredibly bad for the president. his story has fallen apart. >> professor tribe, what do you think? >> i agree with that. the president's story has fallen apart. there is an avalanche of news. i'm sure there will be more. and when adam schiff made the point that america deserves a fair trial, she's worth it, now we know exactly what that means. a fair trial requires that all of this new evidence be vetted at the senate itself, not simply in books that will come out

after the trial is over. and one more basic point. the real significance of all of this news is that it puts even more pressure on the bizarro argument that i think we're going to hear tomorrow from in of the president's lawyers, that even if everything that is charged in these articles of impeachment is true, that is even if it is true that the president solicited help from a foreign power, pressured that power, withheld $400 million of federally-appropriated money, to leverage that power in order to give him dirt on his opponents, even if all of that is true, it isn't impeachable. you have to listen hard to that crazy argument. but it may take the form that it says abuse of power isn't impeachable because it's such a vague, open-ended phrase.

but what you have to do is look under the book cover and see what abuse of power is really being charged here. what's being charged is not just abstract abuse of power. not just abstract obstruction of korns. but a series of concrete actions. and if these lawyers tell us that even if the president did all of that, it's just fine, he can't be impeached for it, then that sends a terrible signal to every future president. it says every future president can use the power of his office. >> right. >> in order to get re-elected. that's a disaster for a democracy. >> neal, i keep wondering, i mean, lawrence talked about the pressure this puts on both the republicans for witnesses and also the pressure on that argument once the facts are been conceded. what is john bolton doing here? this is not a legal question. it seems insane to me to be a

situation where i guess we don't get enough votes in the senate we'll wait until the book comes out and see if the president did what he's accused of? >> no, i think that bolton is really trying to signal he wants to testify. he said that. now the leaks from the book really underscore why i think he has to testify. there is no serious real argument on the other side. and so i expect the senators at this point to want witnesses and even if they don't as i'll argue in tomorrow's norm times, the chief justice can easily subpoena these folks on their own and can't be overruled by the republicans in the senate. this is a chief justice who believes in fairness, understands what a trial is. he's never seen a trial without witnesses. nobody has in america. so i think that there are multiple avenue news now for witnesses to come forward, which is obviously the true and right thing to do, as professor tribe just said. >> professor tribe is seems

untenable as a political matter, they all think they should hang together or separately, to keep getting evidence spooling out, all of this is going o to come out. adam schiff keeps saying this. do you want to be part of the coverup? >> you know, i'm afraid some of the republicans are actually in a position where they would rather have it come out afterwards. >> yes. >> because if it comes out before they're going to have a hell of a time justifying acquitting. i think the chief justice can play a crucial role here. whether or not the senate can't overrule him is a more difficult question. certainly if the president tries to gag john bolton and tries to invoke some phony privilege that doesn't apply, there isn't going to be a beeline to the district court down the street, because the chief justice of the united states is sitting right behind them and he can make a ruling.

and even if a majority of the senators could overrule him, they're going to be under a lot of pressure to pay attention to somebody like the chief justice of the united states. so i think the whole landscape is dramatically different right now. and we really are going to have an extraordinary week ahead of us. >> briefly, neal, do you think you'll see the white house lawyers tomorrow lean on the, so what if he did, argument? >> yeah, i think they will. i think as lawrence says, there's very little credence to that aug ument. it falls apart. we can't have presidents cheating in elections particularly with the help of foreign governments. it's an insane proposition. i expect we'll hear it tomorrow along with a rush to get this over with because these lawyers are so afraid new information is going to come out. they're trying to rush this thing through to stop. >> the clock is ticking in the background. someone -- bolton is going to be

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