very good evening to you. i'm richard louie. nba superstar kobe bryant killed in a helicopter crash in southern california. he died in the fatal accident in the 9:00 a.m. hour local time. it is believed that eight others were also onboard. among them, kobe's 13-year-old daughter gianna, an aspiring basketball player in her even right. as news spread, fans gathered outside the staples center in los angeles. t the national transportation

safety board is en route right now to investigate. aviation sources tell officials are looking closely at whether weather had anything to do with the incident. let's bring in steve patterson who's been covering the crash. as you've been on the scene all day, the last briefing that you know so well, the sheriff was saying the faa was on location. i was just mentioning how the ntsb is on its way. and the coroner was also on the way. what's the latest? >> there were some coroner vehicles spotted in the vicinity here as well as a bulldozer which is just over my right shoulder. we've seen a lot of equipment as first responders, authorities and crews now along with investigators are swarming the scene. the firm word will come from, as you mentioned, the ntsb, the federal authorities, which are as you mentioned again, own the way at this point. again, the focus is going to be

getting there as quickly as possible, determining what happened as quickly and as efficiently as possible, as this investigation gets underway. you know, witnesses report hearing a loud boom followed by a fireball. some of the first responders here say the first order of business by far was getting rid of a very quick, fast-moving brush fire that had eaten up quickly almost a quarter of an acre which is in the dark behind me. as people have come here to pay their respects, we've seen people from los angeles and elsewhere come to pay their respects. we do hear there is another press conference, briefing that is scheduled for just about an hour from now from the l.a. county sheriff's department. they had originally said they would not be confirming any of the dead onboard that craft

until next of kin was notified. the presumption, prevailing theory is that press might release the names of everybody officially of those on the helicopter, as we've been learning about more about people onboard the craft as this investigation has gone on. but the biggest obviously thing that we're waiting for is for the ntsb to arrive, for them to dig into what happened on scene there, and for them to quickly determine what has happened here. as you mentioned, again, it seems like part of the thrust of the investigation will be focused on the weather. i can tell you when we got here, which was maybe a few hours after the crash, there was still a thick fog layer above that hillside. visibility just as i was driving here was pretty poor. which can't imagine what it looked like at the time of the crash. that may be the focus of the investigation. but it's going to take time for investigators to arrive.

richard? >> steven, as you know so well, the southland is clear as a bell. other places you will have often these over laiz of smog or in this case fog. also that helicopter sound over high, also very common in southern california. and they'll be looking into all of that. do you know at this moment whether on the ground right over your right shoulder where the side is, will they continue to work overnight? >> reporter: so, i mean, i can't show you obviously. the background i have is complete dark. and then there's the light pollution from all the national media, the police, the law enforcement agencies on the ground. what i can tell you is when i do look over my shoulder, from time to time you see flashlights, activity, movement. i think right now i can see a shining light in the trees up there. but it's hard to point out and hard to tell. that is something we don't know. that is something we may find

out in this next press briefing. >> we do know there are dozens down there on the ground. steve patterson who's been covering this breaking story all afternoon, thank you for keeping us up to date. there's been an outpouring for kobe bryant at the location that steve patterson was at as well as down at staples center doupt. and the grief grows this hour. president barack obama, an avid basketball fan wrote, kobe was a legend on the court and just getting started in what would have been just as meaningful a second act. shaquille o'neal with whom he won three nba championships wrote there's no word to express the what i'm feeling going through losing my niece and kobe. they talked about their love of italy. kobe bryant, the man and the player, touched many lives.

gadi schwartz has more on his lasting impact. gadi. >> underneath the smiling face of kobe bryant at a memorial in los angeles, today unshakeable grief. >> he meant so much to the city of l.a. as a player, as a father, as a businessman and as a mentor. there will never be nobody else like kobe, ever. >> for the fans spontaneously gathered here at the staples center, the death still seems impossible. >> just disbelief. i feel like i lost someone in my family. >> there's probably nobody that has changed my life as much as kobe bryant. and, you know, i was hoping to see him, you know, see him do so many great things. >> and yet the flowers and tributes and tears are undeniably real. and then just as the sadness becomes unbearable, silent fans in los angeles begin to chant. >> thank you, kobe. thank you kobe.

>> each filled with their own memories of the moments they witnessed his greatness. >> kobe is not just a person. he's a generation. he's a whole generation of all of us, who were kids watching him. he's just -- he's irreplaceable, man. >> a man who made so many of us feel invincible when he took to the courts, now gone far too soon, memorialized today as one of the greatest athletes who ever lived. >> gadi schwartz reporting for us there at staples center in los angeles downtown. sports editor, and on the phone davisa davidson, sportswriter for the athletic. dave, start us out here. it has been said, as you heard, by president obama, there was unfortunately an inability, because of today's catastrophe, no second act for kobe bryant. >> yeah. >> but one might argue he was

through his second act. we don't know what his third, fourth and fifth act would have been. >> i don't want to overinterpret what president obama meant but this idea of a second act had a lot to do with the trail it looked like he was going to blaze moving forward. he won an oscar in 2018 for best animated short. the idea that he wanted to take the fame and fortune he had accrued as a basketball player and become something of a mogul, a creator and creative in the world in hollywood. even others were looking to him to blaze that trail. there was the next act about what was going to happen in terms of gianna, his daughter, and the idea of kobe, the father of these amazing draurs, who knows what they were going to do? who knew what gianna was going to do? it's the fact of those lives being cut short, that kobe was 41. but he was a young 41 because he

was go about to start this second life, that we're now not going to be able to witness. >> cav igta, for those not a l.a. laker fan or kobe fan or do not watch the nba, who was kobe bryant? >> that's a really complicated question to answer, frankly, because there are so many different responses that you'll get. i think the main response that you'll get when you are talking to basketball fans, whether laker fans or not, he kind of designed a generation of greatness. he could do things on the court we thought we'd never see since michael. we saw them with kobe. i think that fans everywhere are mourning the loss of a talent, a personality and a person that -- kobe was 18 when he came into this league and 41 when he died today. we got, you know, the majority of kobe. and i was really struck. i went down to staples center

immediately when i heard the news and was there early and started to see fans trickle in. a lot that i talked to said, he was 41. i'm 42. this is a generation of people who came up watching kobe bryant when we were the same age as he. i think that that's something that's going to be hard to put into words in the next few days. >> and part of that, you make a really good point here, cav igta, when you think of kobe bryant, the time he came of age in the public sphere as he played for 20 years, over to you on this, dave, he grew up in a time where fantasy football grew up, where the relationship between an nba fan was one-to-one, not so much from one to a team. so kobe bryant being loved by young fans all around the country also means that he was part of this globalization of the nba during the same time and has fans all around the world. >> the thing about kobe, you

talk about him being loved. no one was indifferent about kobe. people loved him. people hated him. it wasn't so much that people liked or disliked. >> or both. >> but people were either for or against him. thin line between love and hate, the opposite of love is not hate but indifference. people were not indifferent towards kobe because he inspired that kind of passion. to speak to what you said, for him to come up during this age of globalization meant he was more than an athlete. he became a brand. brand kobe, the first person since michael jordan to be able to leverage that. but kobe was going to leverage it differently than michael jordan. jordan leveraged it to become an african-american owner of an nba team, trailblazing. kobe wanted to do it outside of basketball. everybody had high expectations as to what that next chapter would bring. it's the cutting short of that, along with his daughter and

along with the alto belli family, three members of whom perished in that crash. it's like tragedy on top of tramgdy. >> cav igta, reverend al sharpton had the opportunity to speak with kobe bryant during the funeral of michael jackson. and the rev was telling me how kobe came up to the rev during the funeral because the rev was giving the eulogy, and kobe said, this is very strange to see a person of this importance of my time, kobe's time, with michael jackson, and his relevance in pop culture and to see them go. i don't know how to process it is what he said to the rev. here we are today now seeing him passing at an age where he was not supposed to, by all counts. and now who else is looking at his passing and going, what does that mean to me? in your conversations with those in the nba, in the football

world, and those on the ground, the fans, have they been asking themselves that same question that kobe asked so many years ago? >> i think it's exactly the same question. and even before the rev had that conversation on your show a couple hours ago, i had said earlier this morning when i first heard this news, this replaichd-minded me a lot of what new york felt like when michael jackson died, walking around the city, this eerie numb, heavy silence, this quiet i witnessed today was exactly what i witnessed and i think what fans are feeling right now that they did when michael jackson died. several people that i talked to said exactly the same thing to me. you remember where you were when certain people have died. michael jackson was one of them and kobe bryant was absolutely one of them as well. i think similarly, we have such complicated and strong feelings about thinks figures that we're

going to need the time to process what kobe meant to us, to process his legacy. it's not something easy to do in that moment when you hear this news. >> dave? >> i mean, in the days ahead there's going to be a lot of discussion about kobe bryant, about his journey, his arc, in 2003 when he was charged with sexual assault and those charges being dropped in 2005. i think for today it's hard to do, but today people need to exhale and not police other people's grief and just let people feel what they are feeling. these are some very intense emotions. >> well said. dave sighra, cavitha davidson, thanks so much. coming up, more on the death of kobe bryant and his daughter gianna, and seven others, right after this. r this >> it's very difficult for me to put in words how i feel about

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the news is just devastating to everyone who knew him, i've known him a long time. and, you know, he just -- he means a lot to me, obviously. you know, he was such a great opponent. you know, it's what you want in sports. he had that dna that very few athletes can ever have, the tiger woods and the michael jordans. it's funny, i -- i was getting to know him more since he retired, you know. yeah, this was the tough one. >> on any average day in the

southland, they heard dock rivers, he was figuring out how to beat kobe bryant but today is remembering kobe bryant as that foe. killed eight others including his 13-year-old daughter gianna. with me now are two sports writers. reflect on that. when we hear from doc rircvers, here, jack, you get a sense. cross-town rivals, you learn to love your opponent at a certain point, and surely doc rivers is remembering that today. >> yeah. i've been -- i was firsthand hearing the phoenix suns, i was doing a book with them, and i remember them talking in the

'05/'06 season about how to defend kobe. the conversation went on for like an hour and a half. what do we do? some of the best minds, do we do this? that? finally after an hour and a half, mark went, we can't defend against this guy. they had just spent an hour and a half trying to figure out how in the hell to do it. that was the kind of player kobe was. there really wasn't a defense for the guy, even more so than maybe michael. i'm not saying michael jordan was better. i would always say michael over kobe. but kobe, when he was gone, when he was on it, you were just not stopping that guy. and i think that was that kind of thing that doc rivers was remembering today. >> dan, it was that tenacity, right? 60 60-point games in his career.

that is unfathomable but there are tons of statistics. you can go through them by heart when you think about somebody like kobe bryant. he represented certainly a generation of an era. leaving high school and going straight to the nba, the nba then changing the rules after that, and making it all the way through the social media era, if you will, of sports, and that authenticity that was brought upon you, whether you wanted it or not, as an nba star. >> yeah. he was really groomed for it. his dad was in the nba. jack knows that. joe jelly bean giant part of that 6'er team. he masters yitalian. kind of a sophisticated guy, been around great players, ready to go. he pulled that off. i always think of these things, being a boston guy, the celtic

laker thing was a big part of the rivalry with bird and magic. and kobe was the last stand of that, with going against paul pierce and kevin garnett and they played in two finals in '08 and '10. lost in 8 and got the celtics in 10. to conquer that and win without shaq. >> he called himself as you two know the black mamba. and jack, that is a venomous snake, the largest venomous snake in some parts of africa, 14 feet long as they get. why did he call himself the black mamba? >> kobe was, i'm trying to use this word, i was trying to think of one word to describe him, and i'm trying to think of the best use of this word but it might not come out that way, and that is ruthless. kobe was the kind of guy,

usually when athletes die or we're even paying them tribute after, they made their teammates better. that wasn't kobe. that was not -- that was not on kobe's mind when he went out there. i mean, you could say that about all the great ones. jordan had to learn that a little bit. but that wasn't kobe. kobe was an island. kobe was to himself. and all that encompasses the bad and good of that, chuck daley used to say, your greatest strength is your greatest weakness, his was his feeling of utter invincibility, which led him to accomplish what he did on the court, get 60 points in his last game, that's absurd. that same trait made him a very difficult teammate. he was not easy to play with. and the games kobe won later in his career, and dan referred to

the choipds, you know, against the krill ticks, they won because of kobe's greatness. it wasn't because of kobe doing a magic johnson, we're in this together. you know, so i say that with some measure of respect and some measure of, that kind of utter selfishness has to be part of what he was as a basketball player. >> we were showing some pictures for those of you just joining us on gene, those wft vehicles in calabasas because they are potentially working at this moment, the coroner going on-site. we understand the faa is on site. the ntsb is headed there right now. there are a lot of questions that we are still waiting to potentially get some answers on. and they're heading and sending certainly their first responders to that space right now. back to our conversation here with jack and dan. and i'll play a little bit of former lakers great nba executive jerry west who stalked

about kobe bryant's death earlier on nbc. let's take a listen to that. >> i'm old enough to know that i'm not going to be here forever, and when you see someone leave before your time, you shake your head and wonder why. and that's what my life and day has been like. >> jerry is a hall of famer. dan, many believe that's exactly where kobe was headed this summer. >> no question. you know, it's really great to hear from jerry west on this. i'd never lived in los angeles but i've been out there a ton, as has jack. we know the sports culture and overall culture in l.a. is a star culture. in sports, jerry west, sandy koufax, kind of the first guys with that, vin scully, carrying through that with kareem and magic. kobe in my view the last great l.a. superstar, it's like with

michael jackson or something. these guys become iconic. it was great to see those images from the west coast and people putting flowers outside the staples center. the impact this is going to have out there, a little bit like when dale earn hard died in florida, what the car racing is down there. lakers are king in l.a. this guy was their king. >> top to bottom, so many reflecting. were you going to speak quickly, jack? >> yeah. the thing is you heard the emotion in jerry's voice. jerry and kobe are so inexplicably tide up. when he was ready to come out of high school, there was no lebron, no blue priprint. there was no blueprint for a 17-year-old kid, which is what kobe was when he staged this immortal workout that gary west had assigned the lakers best

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what do you say to young black kids, black men watching you today? >> look for other venues, other negative paths to walk down, there's so many of them in today's society. i tell them to dig deep inside, be patient, be strong, hit the books and work hard and continue to dream, because, you know, that's another thing i think what's wrong with today's

society, people try to shoot down our dreams. if you have a goal they put limits on us. i'd tell them to have faith in themselves. >> "meet the press" tim russ there kobe bryant in 1998. join us now, roan laysenby, the author of the book showboat, the life of kobe brointd. roan, you know kobe well. you've been following him. when you look back to 1998 and see that young kobe bryant starting his career, going to play for another 19 years in front of him, what do you think about? >> i think about the night he scored his first field goal in charlotte. he bounced into that locker room afterward just the picture of joyp. he hit me with a soul shake. he had no idea who i was, a guy with a microphone.

he quickly found out the nba was a lonely place. i watched him suffer a lot through those times. but he was so determined. you know, he said i'm not going to let them break me. i'm not going to let them break me. when i would talk to him on the phone or in person, he would say, i'm going to find a way. his goal was to be the man. he was certain he was going to be the greatest player in nba history. he said i don't know how but i'm going to find a way. >> you can pick the numbers, numbers that you probably have memorized here. 48637 minutes played. that's the sixth most in nba history, just one of the numbers. if he was going to be the best, who was he going to be after retirement, in december 2017 when he was saying before a game in an interview, i can't believe this is my last game. it feels like one of my first.

>> yes. i will tell thaw you that kobe from awe young age showed flair for writing. his grandpa told him don't be a sweaty nba player. be a writer. he had a teacher in the philadelphia suburbs and brought that alive. he had a recording deal with a rap group that he was froziends with. he had this big thing but he knew he could not be the basketball player he wanted to be. he set those things aside. he made plans, and of course he moved right out of his basketball career upon retirement into the business of writing and producing and exploring that world. >> roland, what is the death and the passing of kobe bryant at

41, a very young age, say about where we are today? where the nba is today? >> well, i think the death fruitful is a tremendous loss to basketball. it's a tremendous loss. kobe was such a huge part of the culture of basketball. and i'm not talking about the culture of the game itself. he was that. but he was a young man who spoke languages. he had lived in other countries. he had this view of the world that wanted no quarter. and he wanted to give none. he was a pure competitive spirit. and he was going to do everything possible, no stone unturned, no task shirked. he was going to do everything. his ultimate decision in how he was going to get there is that he was going to out work everybody. he was going to play every minute possible.

he put tremendous pressure as a young rookie, a very young rookie, when the game was filled with much older players, he put tremendous pressure on all of those grand lakers that he joined, with how he played, with all of these his enthusiasm, his insistence on study. as the great jerry west told me, he didn't even date. and that was a huge part of it all. it was the full commitment. >> yeah. we know about kobe bryant, 17 years old and older, because he then joined the nba. what was his childhood like? what about his family in his early years formed who he became? >> well, his family, joe and pam bryant, his parents, they were the daurlgz of philadelphia in so many ways. joe is from south philly. local guy, came up through

college and got this -- ended up with this fabulous contract to play for the 46ers. he was part of the bomb squad with lloyd b. free. they had a wild and rowdy and talented young bench. joe was sort of the toast of his hometown. that played out. he got traded away. ended up in houston, and the san diego clippers. and joe was a big player, had a lot of bounce. and he was a showboat player. and of course that ended up being the nickname shaq had for kobe because kobe was a showman. he loved to be able to thrill the crowds with the displays. he loved to dunk. all of those things. and out of that culture, kobe found himself soon in italy riding the bus with his father's italian league teams. and he would look at those

olders guys, he was 12 years old. he would look at them on the bus and he would say, i'm going to be better than all you guys. >> it is a show that will be missed. showboat, author of the book, show boeft boat, the life of kobe bryant. thank you. >> thank you. and we'll be right back. >> and the tronto raptors going to dribble it up, a 24-second shot clock. and of course kobe bryant wore number 24. and i wonder if that is what is happening in honor of him. [ applause ] 24-second shot clock expires. when crabe stronger...strong, with new nicorette coated ice mint. layered with flavor... it's the first and only coated nicotine lozenge.

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he was the father of four daughters, one of them gianna who also died today. aaron mclaughlin takes a look back at his career. >> he was of all time and a career long laker. kobe bryant played in the nba for 20 seasons. a career which included five nba championships, 18 all star selections and two olympic gold medals. basketball player joe bryant entered the nba straight out of high school. >> when i was younger, it was like, c'mon, let's go, you want to win, let's do this, why aren't you working? let's go, let's go, let's go. as you get older, you have a family, you're trying to raise kids, you learn patience. >> for the final time -- >> reporter: in 2016, bryant retired from the sport. he said he knew his body was slowing down. >> there is no sadness in that, i mean i've had so many great

times. i see the beauty in not being able to blow past the finish anymore. i see the beauty getting up in the morning and being in pain. because i know of all the hard work it took to get to this point. >> reporter: bryant brought to life his career in a short title dear basketball. he won an emmy and award and professed his love for the sport. >> no matter what i do next, i will always be that kid with the rolled up sox, garbage can in the corner. love you always. >> kobe bryant was up from. >> joining us now on the phone, damani jones and jason page, also a sports radio host. how have you been talking about kobe bryant and in the conversations you have had, what have you been hearing and learning? >> just like this is stunning. the point that hit me about

this, is i remember when wilt chamberlain died, in 1989, how stunning that was, wilt chamberlain was 63-years-old. at this moment i don't think it's a matter kobe seemed like anybody that would be invincible or something like that. i had somebody tell me tonight, this is what it felt like when tupac died, it's a sentimental thing for people of my age and generation. kobe graduated the year before i did high school. is idea of someone like this and someone who was such a significant magnitude being gone, i don't know how long it will take before people can come to reality that kobe bryant is dead. >> jason on your side as a radio host and you talk about about sport all the time, what have you been hearing and what have the conversations been like? >> well, i come from a similar spot. kobe was one year younger than me. my sportscasting career basically followed the path in

terms of when he got into the league, i have kind of started in my career as a sports radio host, so i kind of feel a lot of what he is saying. but i guess i'll take it from a bit of a fan standpoint and talk about the fact that there weren't a lot of athletes and there weren't a lot of atmosphere least even today that were must see tv. i grew up with my dad with sandy koufax, whenever he pitched, you watched. he was that talent. you knew you were going to see something spempblt when i think of kobe from on the court perspective for 20 years, it didn't matter, i was on the east coast. his games were on the west coast. i'd stay up until 1:00 in the morning, because i knew there was always a chance you were going to see something that you probably hadn't seen before, some remarkable performance when kobe was on tv. it didn't matter if the lakers stunk or were good, it was like a tom hanks movie, if tom hanks was in "joe versus the volcano," if are you a tom hanks fan, you

will go see "joe versus the volcano." i didn't care if he was on a scrappy team, i didn't care, because it was kobe, whether it was a great movie, in the case of kobe, i was going to watch. there aren't a lot of people in any sport you can watch these days. >> i was asking about your conversations with those in the sports world, as well as those in your respective shows in that space. you both reflected on your own history and watching kobe bryant. you know, that says a lot. because as cobre nexted with michael jackson's passing, he was saying that makes me ask where i am at in my path. where was kobe bryant in his path today? where was he going if he had been stopped mid-arc today? >> well, i tell you, one thing that's interesting. i saw as i was reading something today about an interview he had done about his post-basketball life and the work he had done in

production and everything else. someone asked him, what did you think people expected from you want the? >> oh, that i would have anything to do without basketball. i'm 100% of those people. he had been so singularly focussed with that thing. they didn't know how to adjust to life after the fact. >> that wasn't the case with him at all, it was a broadening out of his interests, but i think we had a better glimpse about the things that he was into and the things that were important to him and the people he worked with. the idea of kobe bryant as mentor to a younger player, that's not something i would have expected. anybody that wants to call me, i'll come out work with him. he had become someone who belonged to something larger. right, he almost longed to everybody. and i admit as he got older, i found that to be surprising and endearing. >> 30 second, jason. >> i think what he said is point on there. about him becoming more worldly, i think in his post-basketball career, we were getting a sense

for how worldly and the fact he grew up overseas. how much of an impact that was going to play in his life beyond basketball and it all feels like we have been robbed. it all feels like we have been robbed of the second career, the second career of greatness. >> thanks so much on the story of kobe bryant. i appreciate it. we will stay on top of the latest out of california, the death of kenosha bryant. stay with us here on msnbc.

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. we're following breaking news out of california, officials are now giving us the latest details on the helicopter crash that kobe bryant and his daughter gianna as well as seven others according to manifest were on board when that helicopter went down on a sunday morning, let's go straight to southern california. >> we have an update. we also have the l.a. county corner chief medical examiner dr. jonathan lucas is here and we hope our spanish outlets will be giving those remarks in