friday to suppress known but unexamined evidence of president trump's wrongdoing at his senate trial must have calculated that the wrath of a vindictive president is more dangerous than the sensible judgment of the american people who, polls showed, overwhelmly favored the summoning of witnesses. senate minority leader chuck schumer of new york voicing his displeasure with the proceedings. >> to not allow a witness, a document, no witnesses, no documents, in an impeachment trial is a perfity. it's a grand tragedy, one of the worst tragedies that the senate has ever overcome. america will remember this day, unfortunately, where the senate did not live up to the responsibilities, where the senate turned away from truth and went along with a sham trial. >> friday's no witness vote sets up a big week. monday will feature closing arguments in the senate

impeachment trial coinciding with the iowa caucuses. tuesday we'll have more impeachment deliberations during the day followed by the president's state of the union at night. curious to see what type of message he puts forth before the entire country when it comes to the topic of impeachment. wednesday wraps up with the final vote in the upper house, only the third ever involving a president where acquittal is expected for trump. with me now kurt bardella and joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and now an msnbc legal analyst. good morning to you both. kurt, this is something that many democrats have said republicans are going to have to contend with because a quinnipiac poll out last week showed that 75% of respondents, of americans, wanted to hear from witnesses. what we didn't hear is a good reason why, with the drip, drip, drip of evidence coming out, particularly from john bolton, but also from lev parnas, information about pat cipollone

and about mick mulvaney, the president's acting chief of staff. why not hear from the witnesses? >> ali, what we've seen is every time a new piece of information has come out in this entire proceeding, even going back to the house proceedings, it was bad for the president. no piece of information has exonerated trump, it's only raised more questions about him as well as his inner circle. the people leading his defense have become implicated in the potential crime here. so they have every interest in ending this as quickly as possible. they knew if they let john bolton testify, that means they'd have to let mike pompeo testify, mick mulvaney testify, rudy giuliani testify. every time that new information comes out, it extends the trial, which puts the president in danger. they knew they needed to end it right now. they are betting that despite what the polls say today, that nobody voting in november is going to care what happened in january. >> we're not familiar with this, joyce. most people -- i mean we have impeachment trials very infrequently, except in the case of judges and even then it's fairly infrequent.

what impact do you think this trial and its incompleteness will have on the american psyche and our view of institutions like the senate? >> so i think you're highlighting one of the key risks that we see here going forward. our institutions work in large part because people have some confidence in them. >> right. >> now we've seen a trial process that was completely dysfunctional. no witnesses. we all know that's a trial that we see in alice in wonderland, not in america, right? i think that there's no doubt that this spills over into our criminal justice system, maybe into our civil justice system where people have less and less confidence in the ability of judges and juries to resolve their problems. as far as this particular situation goes with this president, i think kurt is right, the american people have short attention spans. whether this still resonates in november is an interesting question. but because this trial was incomplete, there is more evidence to come out and it will continue to come out in drips. maybe sometimes in a flood.

i think it's too early to close the book on the president yet. certainly he's not been exonerated. >> but, kurt, and i want to remind our viewers, you were a republican, not just a republican, a pretty serious republican. this president continues to not be hurt politically with his base by any of this. there is no piece of information. there are viewers of mine who think if only you would report on this and people would know that x happened with mick mulvan mulvaney, with pompeo, with bolton. bolton's book is going to be out soon enough. does anything move the president's supporters? or is he right in his statement that he made so long ago, that he can shoot somebody on fifth avenue and it won't make a difference. >> that statement was prophetic. >> because it sounded remarkably stupid at the time. >> it did, but it's true. here's the thing. we saw after the 2018 midterm elections, an electoral shellacking that republicans endured. yet not one thing changed with their steadfast support of this

president. they are all in with donald trump. they would rather incur the wrath of the voters even than the wrath of the president's twitter feed. they are so baked into trump world now there is no separation between the republican party and donald trump. they are now one and the same. and i think what we've seen throughout this entire process, no matter what trump does, they do the same thing. whether it was john bolton or steve bannon, if someone is contrary to the president, they attack them. they say that person is lying, distrustful and everybody turns on them. what information comes out from this point forward, whoever it is, whatever they say, the same cycle will repeat itself. >> what happens in this instance where i look back at 1974 and richard nixon. republicans did change their mind at some point when evidence came out that changed public opinion. we have seen evidence come out that does alter some public opinion, like the 75% of people who wanted witnesses. that's not 75% of people saying

they wanted to see donald trump removed from office, they said let's hear from the witnesses. does it matter now that we have politicians and institutions who say the facts don't matter, the facts are not important to hear. or as we heard from lindsey graham, it doesn't matter what your facts are, i've made a decision. >> it's an amazing thing that they have been able to convince their voters that that's true. i think this is part of the trump populist mentality. people who were looking for maybe some way to burn down the system in some sense. something that kurt and i have talked about that i think makes a lot of sense here is when we look at these national numbers for people who want to hear from witnesses, they're just that, they're national numbers. they're not state-by-state numbers. because impeachment is not purely a legal process, it's at least partially a political process, senators in states who knew that their voters were less concerned about the integrity of the trial and hearing from witnesses were more likely to be willing to ignore these traditional american norms that we value, like trielals are

supposed to be about getting at the truth. this trial clearly was not about that. it was about, as kurt says, lining up behind the political cultive personality that surrounds donald trump. >> what happens next, kurt? how does this play out in the 2020 election? there are vulnerable republicans. there are republicans who are up for election but not vulnerable, but subject to some criticism because they're running in an election coming up. and there are americans who have said that normal processes at play that we thought would hold the president to account, including the mueller investigation and now this have not worked. >> yeah. i do think that republicans will pay a price for the appearance that fairness is really what's been injured here. i think that the american people overall, and joyce talked about this earlier, they subscribe to some idea that our systems are set up in a way to be fair. no matter what the end result is, we arrived at that conclusion because truth was allowed to happen and fact was allowed to be prosecuted.

in this case they were rockbbedf that. people don't take it too well when you take something so fundamental away from them for purely political and partisan reasons. so i think there is going to be some type of reckoning at the polls. and donald trump, his advisers will tell you this, he can't help but talk about the things that have injured him on some level. he will never get over the permanent stain of impeachment that's now affixed to his name. even though he shouldn't talk about it, he will spend from now until november relitigating this. every time he does, it gives democrats an opportunity to remind them you may have been let off by the senate but it wasn't a real exoneration. i think that that becomes a mandate against him in november. >> thanks to both of you for joining me this morning. kurt bardella and joyce vance. kurt, by the way, was a former spokesperson for the house oversight committee on the republican side and joyce was a former u.s. attorney. nearly 1700 precincts, hundreds of thousands of caucus goers and a system so confusing that candidates are pouring time

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the democratic presidential candidates will be fanning out across iowa this weekend ahead of the traditional kickoff of the primary season, which is the iowa caucuses. takes place on monday. it also means that it's time for another presidential election year tradition and that is explaining how the iowa caucuses work. so let's get to it.

the iowa caucuses begin at 7:00 p.m. central time at nearly 1700 locations across the state, including churches, schools, libraries, union halls. some of them are actually in people's homes. there are also so-called satellite caucuses, sites for iowans who can't make it to their precinct caucus, including some who are out of state. let's say 100 people attend our pretend caucus. in reality, some caucuses have hundreds or thousands of people show up. some others have just a handful of attendees. now, the precinct caucus begins with representatives from each campaign giving a last-minute push for their candidates. when that's finished, we'll have what's known as the first alignment. that's when all 100 of our participants move to or stand literally into a corner or piece of the room with other people who support the same candidate. now, here's how the first alignment of our hypothetical caucus turned out. 26 people went into joe biden's

corner, 23 for bernie sanders, 18 for pete, 15 went for elizabeth warren, 10 for amy klobuchar, 5 for tom steyer, 3 to andrew yang. now, a candidate is required to get 15% support to be viable. so in our precinct, joe biden, bernie sanders, pete buttigieg and elizabeth warren were the only four who met that threshold. now comes what is called the realignment. the people who didn't support the candidates who met the 15% threshold in our precinct, biden, sanders, buttigieg and warren, can now switch their support to any of the viable candidates. that's why in iowa, you have to be careful not to insult candidates who aren't polling well because you want their supporters. here's what happened in our hypothetical realignment. biden picked up eight new supporters. he's got a total of 34. sanders picked up five. he's got a total of 28. warren picked up 3, that's got

20, and buttigieg picked up 2 for a total of 18. that's the final vote total for our precinct, but that's still not the end of it. our precinct caucus selects delegates to attend a county convention. they select district dealts to attend the state party convention and that's where iowa's 41 pledged delegates to the national democratic convention in milwaukee this july will be allocated. so while the number of delegates up for grabs in the hawkeye state is very small, a good showing there can have a big impact on the candidates' viability moving forward. so every moment counts. when we come back, we'll head to iowa and take a closer look at what to expect during the final weekend of campaigning before the caucuses. you're watching msnbc. is mealtime a struggle?

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we're getting a look at how much the democratic presidential candidates raised and spent in the final months of 2019. according to the fec, the federal elections commission, senator bernie sanders leads with a total of more than $34 million in individual donations.

pete buttigieg has raised nearly $25 million. joe biden pulling in a little over $23 million. elizabeth warren ending the quarter with $21 million. entrepreneur andrew yang with a total of $16.5 million. but the candidates also spent a ton of money. sanders spent $50 million, by far the most that he has spent in a single quarter this election cycle. buttigieg and warren spending around $34 million. biden spent $23 million. yang spent $19 million. take a look at how much the candidates had on hand to fund their campaigns through january. senator sanders had a significant lead at $18 million, more than double as much cash as the other current front-runner, joe biden. now compare that to president trump's re-election campaign. he ended the year with more than double that of sanders, buttigieg and warren combined. now, how are those investments going to pay off in iowa? let's get right to the nbc news road warriors on the ground there in iowa and des moines.

shaquille brewster is covering bnlds, vaughn hillyard pete buttigieg, ali vitali with elizabeth warren and mike memoli with the biden campaign. shaq, let's start with you. >> reporter: ali, first, senator sanders is back in the state of iowa. he wrapped up impeachment duty and got on a late flight last night, is back in the state and will have events later today. things have really changed since his last time here in iowa. number one, you mentioned the polling. he has been surging recently. a recent poll has him fighting for that first place position. that polling success has increased the scrutiny he's been facing. this past week while he's been gone, he's been facing more than $700,000 of negative television advertising, ads that mentioned him by name and hit him on everything from his ideology to his health. he's also getting more criticism

from secretary hillary clinton, who mentioned him in a podcast yesterday. there was a moment last night when his campaign was having a big concert for him when hillary clinton was mentioned by name. some people in the crowd booed. rashida tlaib after discouraging the boos, she said we will continue to boo and her quote was the haters will shut up monday when we win. that's just a sign of how some in his campaign are feeling. they're feeling confident and feeling that he's on the right path to victory on monday. >> ali vitali with the warren campaign. what's elizabeth warren up to? >> reporter: ali, this is a group of people who haven't really ridden the polar coaster but they have been investing in grassroots. you see that as the central belief of their campaign both from the way that they fund raise but also the way they set up their campaign infrastructure on the grounding here here in . talking to national operatives and operatives on the ground here in iowa, the warren campaign has a lot of respect for its ground game and the

operatives it has on the ground here. when you talk about the way they're spending money, they're putting a lot of money into staff but also a thousand plus staffers across the country. i will say she's been out of town the last few days just like bernie sanders, just like amy klobuchar. she's had surrogates fanned out on the ground but she made a triumphant return last night. she was at a brewery that was so crowded that the bartender announced they had to stop serving drinks or people had to pass their glasses forward because they were running out of glassware. people started passing their glasses forward. elizabeth warren got on stage, a very triumphant and excited return to kick off a full weekend of campaigning. >> vaughn hillyard is covering pete buttigieg. what is pete doing there? he's looking for a strong start in i would in order to propel him forward for new hampshire. >> reporter: this is the former south bend mayor's moments here. we are in waterloo, the first of five stops on the day for the mayor here. this is a big moment here in

iowa. he has long contended over the course of the last year that he is the candidate best equipped to win the midwest. well, we're in the midwest. iowa is that opportunity. it's a mostly white state with an electorate that is looking for somebody who can appeal to a lot of those independents or disaffected republicans, potentially even be able to pick up the likes of iowa, which went for donald trump by 10 percentage points just four years ago. so what monday will present is that opportunity for buttigieg to prove that he is able to do that in his democratic primary process. there's a lot of question marks as a part of that. to what extent is he able to convince independents and republicans to show up on caucus night and register as democrats? we talked to lisa adams just the other day and she said her republican husband would be eager to vote for buttigieg over donald trump in november. when i followed up and said will he actually come up and caucus for buttigieg on monday? she said he will not. quote, baby steps.

this is what buttigieg is up against. ali mentioned ground organization. along with elizabeth warren, pete buttigieg has built out a robust organization that puts him in the position to win. there's 1679 different caucus sites on monday night and he will have at least one precinct captain, a local volunteer, working to galvanize folks to come and caucus for buttigieg on monday night. the question is is that enough to propel him on in new hampshire and that his campaign is relevant. >> vaughn, are you in an empty bar? >> reporter: this is the electric park ballroom behind me. this campaign is -- has a couple of dance moves. >> i was just checking whether you wanted to be at the bar before everything got under way but it's a ballroom. i got that. mike memoli, biden has a whole different thing going on here because joe biden is in the news every day, no matter what, largely because of the impeachment trial.

and there are moments where he seems to want to capitalize on that and moments where he wants to completely ignore it. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, ali. we saw him try to use donald trump's visit to iowa as a chance to remind voters of what has been his core argument all along, he's the best democrat to take on donald trump. since that day joe biden announced his candidacy in april, we were waiting for him in his train station at delaware, with him in a pizza shop elsewhere in wilmington. i've been talking about joe biden as a fragile front-runner. obviously he comes into the race as a well known and popular figure in the democratic party, but somebody whose liabilities were well known and made him an attractive target, not only for democrats but of course for the president and his allies. there's no better example of that than the fund-raising you just talked about. is he raising a lot of money? yes. he's been at or near the top of the pack of the democrats who are not self-funding, but he's also spending just about every dollar as quickly as it comes in. the campaign says it will have the resources to have an effective ground game, an effective campaign going

forward. they have benefited from a super pac that's been able to equalize some of the spending on the air. last night joe biden was playing pundit with us, setting expectations, saying that, yes, he expects to do well here in iowa, he wants to win iowa, but he sees these first four early contests as a package deal and ultimately whoever the nominee is has to demonstrate that they can appeal to all aspects of the democratic coalition. he thinks he's that candidate. >> mike, we were just talking about how these caucuses work and if a candidate in a given room doesn't get 15% of the vote, they go meet someone else. t there seemed to be something, reporting there was a discussion going on between the biden people and klobuchar people to make biden the second choice in caucuses where klobuchar doesn't get 15%. what do we know about that? >> reporter: the biden campaign downplaying this. saying there was a conversation between long-time friends who worked together in the past where this subject was raised. these kinds of conversations

happen all over the place. but the klobuchar/biden alliance, if there is one, is so interesting because as -- we felt that klobuchar is experiencing a little bit of a surge. that worried the biden team because they are expecting and their demographic analysis shows klobuchar supporters are likely to be biden supporters on the second vote as well. the better she does, the more worried the biden team will be on caucus night. >> there are new rules for how you qualify for the debates going forward. they will benefit michael bloomberg a great deal because he's not taking public donations. bernie sanders and his team have had very strong reactions to this. >> they are not happy about it one bit. the fact that mayor bloomberg has been in this race has been a thing that senator sanders has enjoyed going after. he enjoys going after the billionaire, as he calls it, the billionaire class and they feel like he's buying his way on this debate stage so they are not happy about the fact the dnc is now changing the qualifying

rules, removing that donor threshold. michael bloomberg previously wasn't able to get on the debate stage because he didn't take individual donors and didn't go take those individual contributions. so because they are getting rid of that debate qualification, the sanders team is not happy. they feel like this is allowing a billionaire -- another billionaire to buy his way onstage in their words. >> shaquille, you appear to be in a cloud. what's happening behind you? >> reporter: it's ominous, i'm trying to scare you for the caucus. >> i appreciate that. ali vitali, elizabeth warren who at one point was in the lead in iowa and has really put a lot of effort into that state, her surrogates are managing expectations, saying that her not winning there isn't the biggest deal in the world. >> reporter: her surrogates are managing expectations and her campaign manager is managing expectations. just two weeks ago he put out a memo that broke down really their national strategy, putting a little bit less pressure on the early states, the iowas, the

new hampshires, the nevadas, and said they had an organization built across the nation. that's not something the other campaigns can say so the warren campaign signaling that they think this is something that can be a protracted primary they can do well in. the number i'm looking at is everyone is spending a lot of money right now. that makes sense. you see that the top three spenders were sanders buttigieg and warren with biden not far behind. that makes sense that they're starting to put organizers on the ground everywhere. that's sort of the name of this game for everybody. but for the warren campaign, doing well in iowa would be a good thing. i talked to julian castro who's doing house parties across this state, trying to make the pitch for elizabeth warren. i said does she need to win here? he said very quickly, i don't think she needs to win, setting us up for the fact this could be a long way to go. if you look at the polling right now, there's no clear picture as to who might win this caucus and there's many different metrics

by which they can win so it's going to be a question between spinning and actually winning come monday night. >> the only clear picture from all of you except vaughn and mike are that you're cold. thanks to all four of you. we will be talking to you a lot through the course of today and tomorrow and of course monday. msnbc's road warrior shaquille brewster, vaughn hillyard, ali vitali and mike memoli in iowa. be sure to join brian williams and rachel maddow breaking down all of the results coming out of iowa caucuses beginning monday at 6:00 p.m. eastern. tonight the reverend al sharpton sits down with presidential candidate and former new york mayor mike bloomberg, the guy in the picture, tonight 5:00 p.m. eastern. i will make a return to these very air waves tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. the dow plummets more than 600 points in the worst day of trading since august of last year as fears of the coronavirus

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put this whole thing in perspective. the dow was down 2% -- this is not the dow, this is the s&p 500, which i like better than the dow. it's down 2% for the week. that's a lot because there are 52 weeks in a year so that would be a very big drop if you were to see that. but i want to take a look at this over the course of the last, what are we looking at this from, this is 2020. yeah, i can't really tell you what that is so let's skip to the next one. here's one year of the s&p 500. this is why you don't want to get too worried about this thing. if you invest a year ago, you're still up 19%. that is remarkable for a year. this drop that we're seeing is right here. this is not something to be terribly worried about just yet. however, there are real reasons for this worry. let's take a look at some of the companies that have come out and said that their actual businesses -- skip that, let's keep on moving and take a look at the companies that are

actually being affected by this. a number of companies. airlines are saying that they are not flying planes. most u.s. airlines have stopped flights to china or reduced them. starbucks has said the same thing. so there is something to worry about. according to cnbc, the word virus or coronavirus was mentioned by 27 different s&p companies on the earnings calls this week. apple, starbucks, mcdonald's, google, procter & gamble, honda, tesla, 3m, ikea, goldman sachs, hsbc, all the airlines, whirlpool, so there's a lot of companies being affected by the whole thing. however, we are still in the beginning stages. part of the reason investors are not reacting well to this is because we don't have full information. when we come back, we're going to give you some of that full information. how serious is this, how serious could it be, how much do you have to worry about this not just from your investment perspective but from the perspective of your own health. we'll be right back.

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the trump administration says it's taking new steps to protect americans after declaring coronavirus a national public health emergency. because this strain of the disease is so new, there are a lot of unknowns. so i want to take a look at what we do know. this strain of the disease causes respiratory illnesses that can range from a common cold to pneumonia and kidney failure. the coronavirus wasn't previously identified in humans until december 31st when china reported the outbreak that originated in wuhan to the world health organization. let's take a look at some of the numbers. the national health commission of the people's republic of

china reports 11,791 confirmed cases of coronavirus. there are 19 places outside of china with patients, including australia, canada, italy, japan, thailand and the united states. the centers for disease control say that there are seven confirmed coronavirus cases in the united states, two in illinois, three in california, one in arizona and one in washington. 259 people have died so far, which is why the world health organization declared the outbreak a public health emergency of international concern. so as fear mounts over this outbreak as americans, what kind of threat are we actually facing? joining me now nbc news reporter brandy who's been following the disinformation since the first cases have been reported. pulitzer prize-winning journalist of "the coming plague" lori garrett and cnbc analyst and commentator ron insana.

the numbers i just gave you may already be out of date. but with these issues, lori, come the problem that there are confirmed cases, there are people who die of things that we don't know are this. what do you make of the sheer numbers and the velocity of this so far? >> so for the sars epidemic in 2003, i was in the middle of it in china. we saw after almost six months a little over 8,000 confirmed cases in the world. this has only been in circulation for a little over a month, maybe six to seven weeks total, and we already have eclipsed sars. so this is far more contagious, it seems, than the sars virus was. now, what does that mean? does that mean there's something different about the virus that makes it attach to human cells more readily or that human activities are different. when i was in the sars epidemic 17 years ago, china was comparatively isolated compared to today.

>> right. >> it didn't have this vast train high-speed network that it has now. >> or direct flights to everywhere in the world from chinese cities that most americans have never heard of. >> yes, but even internally inside of china it didn't have super highways that connected every single nook and cranny of the nation as it does now and it didn't have a nation with cars. most chinese were just making that first time getting a driver's license 17 years ago. and so trying to lock down this virus by locking down the people is proving impossible. the mayor of wuhan tells us that 3 million wuhanese had left the city before the lockdown. so it's already -- the horses are out of the barn as the metaphor goes. >> so the thing that people like me do, brandy, is we go to the internet. we have spent the last three years talking about how much political garbage there is on the internet. political garbage is eclipsed by medical garbage on the internet. >> oh, far and away. politics you can leave or stay

or go as you want. >> but i actually have to know what is this. >> it has a lot of people that really benefit and profit from spreading false information, right? so you have right now with the coronavirus social media companies are really clamping down on people that are selling false cures. so facebook is now wiping them off the platform. people were saying that bleach, literal bleach you could take it and cure your coronavirus. these are the same hucksters that have been saying you can cure your kids' autism with that. so this is a grift. >> what do they get for that? >> money. they get money. >> those ads. >> no, they actually sell these products. there are a lot of people that hawk these products. there are a lot of people that are qanon adjacent and glom on to things. >> so this is the modern snake oil sales people. >> 100%. but snake oil has changed a little bit because you also have the influencers. so when there's something that

happens in the news, especially that gets a lot of attention like coronavirus, these people will leap onto the hash tag and spread disinformation, spread fear, spread xenophobia. what they're looking for isn't people to buy their products but clout, people to buy them. so they get in the hash tag early. one guy got a million followers from the coronavirus already, right? he's so excited about it. and then a couple of weeks when nobody cares about coronavirus hopefully, he'll have a million followers. >> twitter has done something about this. let's talk about twitter, google and youtube. twitter has a thing where it prompts you to go to the centers for disease control. >> yeah, that's the number one thing people are doing on the platforms to combat information. they'll have a warning label at the front or a banner when you search for it. that's great. that's a great first step. the problem is right when you get below that banner, you get to the most recommended profiles are often people just spreading disinformation too. the scale of the problem cannot

be overstated. it's great that they're making -- they're making -- they're trying, right? but are they doing enough? absolutely not. >> ron, you and i were just reminiscing we've been talking about 20 years. so we've seen events and how they affect the market. i tend to like to remind people that even on events like 9/11, which were really serious, the markets were back to the levels they were at one month afterwards. so markets tend to be resilient. but i haven't seen the speed of warnings from companies that we have seen in the last week about the effect. it's two effects, right? it's the effect of their shops in china, because as laurie points out, american s&p 500 companies have shops or do business in china. but they're also talking about supply chains -- >> correct. >> -- because wuhan and other places in china are where we get our stuff. >> car parts in particular. so there's a whole series of events, dominos that are falling. as you mentioned earlier, the airlines, united, delta and american not flying to china, in

or out, until late march or early april. we have heard now that starbucks, as you mentioned, apple computer this morning said it's going to shut its shops and stores in china for a period of time, until i believe february 9th. it's interesting that you mention 9/11. i brought this up yesterday on cnbc. the cocooning effect that took place here in the u.s. after 9/11 is very similar to what's going on in china. remember, it took almost a month for people to leave their houses. right now effectively the second largest economy in the world is on lockdown. no one is going to work. this is being extended now for another week beyond what we expected. with that economy shutting down for all intents and purposes, you're going to have a knock-on effect globally. this is why the market had such a violent response and from soft economic data from other parts of the world yesterday as well. it changed the profile of what we expect growth to look like in early 2020 and that's why we've seen such a deep market reaction. individual companies, i believe 25% of companies that are reporting their earnings have mentioned the coronavirus as a

possible knock on their profits going forward. >> laurie, between sars and then since then ebola and bird flu, are we better at figuring out how to -- how to prevent the spread of this? you pointed out something really important that ron is talking about. we're all traveling to each other at a rate that we were not at the time of sars. but are we better at identifying? are we better at quarantining? are we better at figuring outpatient zero? >> who's the "we"? do you mean china or the united states of america? do you mean france or do you mean world health organization? the "we" matters in your question. but generally -- first of all, this is unprecedented. we've never seen a microbe like this one. this is not sars, it's different. it's a very close genetic cousin but appears to infect the upper airways so -- spreads it,

shaking hands spreads it, touching this mug and then you touch this mug and she just got it. i take my phone and say, hey, take a look at this, ron. now he just may have gotten it. so it's spread roughly the same way as the common cold. now, think about the last time you had your kid in the household sick with a common cold. how long before everybody in the whole family was sick? most households don't take precautions. they don't know how to protect one household member from another when they're sick, much less in the school, in the workplace, here at msnbc. you know, this cameraman pointing at me right now has the virus -- >> he just moved about six feet back as we were talking about it. >> the mortality rate is lower, though, right? >> the mortality rate is much lower, but the contagion is higher. the mortality is higher than h1n1 flu was in 2009. but none of these numbers help us. what helps us is to really understand how to protect ourselves and how to protect

communities. now, the problem here in the united states is that the trump administration last year and the year before severely cut back all the programs that obama had set up to deal with global emergencies like this because they were obama programs. and these were programs that were set up as a result of the slow response to ebola in 2014 in west africa. in a sense, wow, we've got to be better prepared and help poor co to get up to speed so they can rapidly diagnose, rapidly treat, rapidly quarantine all these things. well, that program is bye-bye. and now just feverishly the government is trying to create an infrastructure to run this thing. >> the government just announced a panel of experts who are supposed to look at this. it's not entirely populated by experts. >> no, and almost half of it is straight out of the white house. these are not scientists. >> yeah. >> and then inside the national

security council there was a really tight, smart group of pandemic experts. they were all -- >> brandy, if you're looking for -- we got good advice from laurie right now. but if you're looking for that, because what laurie just said is the stuff we all need to know. is that readily available on the internet? were you able to sift through the garbage and find real information from places like cdc about how to behave in a way that might protect you from getting this? >> 100%. "the new york times," "the washington post," foreign policy, cnn, msnbc, there are many reputable news organizations doing the communication between those organizations and the viewer or consumer. the problem is, it's not as snackable, it's not as interesting for someone on their instagram phone as a video that shows something terrible and false and has been viewed 42 million times. >> ron, these concerns that we have for people who think they can keep themselves safe from the disease or feel it will burn itself out like many of these

other ones have or we'll get a handle on it, are these economic concerns enough to have anybody talking about a recession? >> not necessarily recession yet. a slowdown, yes. what was being expected for 2020 is that we were seeing a bottoming in the global economy, likely to see a bit of a liftoff. come monday the chinese market has been closed two full weeks. it's going to open considerably lower most likely as it catches down to the rest of the world. >> and there's a contagion to that. there's a contagion to markets. >> so did the u.s. market already price in what china biz to react to or is it a self-reinforcing cycle. >> one of the things that feeds to what both my colleagues here are saying, first of all, people are jumping on precedence. so the anti-vaccine voices are capitalizing off this and getting their voices louder, so lord help us if we actually come up with a vaccine and try to get the population -- >> they already have. >> and it's in secret.

>> there's a couple of companies working on one. >> there are companies all over china working on it. this takes us to the next problem. when pompeo ordered level 4 security alert, americans should come home, companies shouldn't sending their personnel to china, et cetera, what sector is not being considered in that order? the pharmaceutical sector. more than 90% of all active pharmaceutical ingredients are coming from where? china. and when you shut down the chinese flow of active pharmaceutical ingredients, we're going to start very quickly running out of the drugs that some of your viewers take to control their cholesterol, the drugs they take to control diabetes, to deal with their cancer treatment. >> now you have consequences of this that don't have to do with coronavirus. >> and this is the lack of real all of government planning. before the idea was to have an overview that cross-cut all agencies so that if you cut something, you made a choice to

deal with a pandemic, you had forethought. what if we wipe out the pharmaceutical industry? but this government, everybody is just running pell-mell. >> thank you to the three of you. this is a thorough conversation in which we have all, i hope, become a little bit smarter. laurie, brandy and ron. they are making us a lot smarter this morning. all right. only two days to go until the 2020 iowa caucuses and it's the undecided democratic voters who could ending up determining the outcome. that and much more when joy reid hosts "a.m. joy" live from the hawkeye state. that is next. om the hawkeye state. that is next to keep me moving the way i was made to. it nourishes and strengthens my joints for the long term. osteo bi-flex - now in triple strength plus magnesium. ♪all strength, we ain't stoppin' believe me♪ ♪go straight till the morning look like we♪ ♪won't wait, we're taking everything we wanted we can do it♪ ♪all strength, no sweat

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