welcome back. i'm ali velshi. tomorrow, the 2020 election season officially kicks off with the iowa caucuses. at this very moment, we're getting a new look at how things are shaping up. releases just moment ago, the latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll showing donald trump trailed the top democratic presidential contenders in

hypothetical matchups. trump trailed joe biden by six points, elizabeth warren holds a three-point advantage. bernie sanders holds a four-point advantage. pete buttigieg has a one-point advantage. those are, however, within the margin of error. last thursday, trump told iowa voters at a rally if he loses the state, quote, your farms are going to hell. the poll also shows that when it comes to controlling congress, 49% of registered voters want the democrats in charge compared to 43% of the gop. meanwhile, the des moines register yesterday announced it is polling its highly influential and anticipated gold standard iowa poll due to worries mayor pete buttigieg's name may have been left off a list of candidates read to at least one respondent. the democratic national committee is coming under fire again after announcing more criteria for candidates to make the stage for future debates.

they have doubled the polling threshold, meaning candidates will need at least 10% in four national polls or 12% in two nevada or south carolina polls to qualify. and the individual donor requirement has been completely eliminated. that opens the door for self-funded billionaire michael bloomberg to participate in the february 19th debate as the former new york mayor continues to rise in national polls. that polling boost can be attributed to massive amounts of money that bloomberg and the other billionaire in the race, tom steyer, are flooding airwaves with advertisements. steyer and bloomberg have spent combined over $400 million on ads. but bloomberg is focused on soup tuesday states. steyer is going all in in iowa, spending $15 million in the hawkeye state. joining me now, tom steyer. good to see you again.

the polling, the change in the democratic thresholds for debates helps you or hurts you? >> well, let me say that a poll came out this morning, ali, in south carolina, that had me at 18%. the last poll that came out, which was over two weeks ago in nevada, had me at 14%. so if they run polls, it doesn't make any difference. i'll be in the debates. >> let's talk about the conversation i was having at the end of the last hour. and that is the fundamental underlying issue that has so many americans so angry, caused many of them to vote for donald trump. maybe angry at the wrong people, but not angry about the wrong things. that is the inequality of opportunity that has developed over the last 40 or 50 years in america. what's your prescription for this? >> we do have a broken government, ali, that's why i'm running for president. we have a broken government that's been bought by corporations, and unless we take back that government and make it

of, by, and for the people again, we're not going to get any of the changes that americans want in health care and education, a living wage, and clean air and clean water. my prescription is literally to restructure washington, d.c. and take the power away from the corporations. includes 12-year term limits for congresspeople and senators. it involves getting rid of citizens united that corporations are not people from the standpoint of political speech. it involves direct democracy. we have a government that is broken and has stopped serving the people. and that's why i'm running for president as an outsider. >> you have done a lot of work in the past that we have talked about on climate. you, of course, led an effort for the impeachment of donald trump before it got to the house of representatives, but before mike bloomberg joined, you were the billionaire in the race, and now you're one of the billionaires in the race. how do you distinguish between yourself and mike bloomberg for

people who think, who say that financing your campaign the way you do or the way he does feels undemocratic, doesn't feel all that grass roots like. >> ali, i'm a progressive. i'm very different from mike bloomberg. i proposed a wealth tax a year and a half ago, long before i was running for president, because the inequality in america is unbearable. and i'm running as an outsider. i spent ten years putting together coalitions of ordinary american citizens to take on unchecked corporate power. and i have never lost. i am the outsider in this race. in fact, what i'm running against, including mike bloomberg, is people who have been insiders, who are part of the inside elite of this country, and what i'm trying to do is return power to the people of the united states, away from those elites, and take back the power so the corporations stop getting everything they want at the expense of the american people. i'm a very different animal than

everybody else who's in this race. >> i was talking to ayanna pressley, who is stumping for elizabeth warren earlier, and she said the concerns she believes people have are about college debt. about climate, we have talked about this, about criminal justice and about health care. what is your sense of what democratic voters or frankly voters in a general election most want their presidential candidate to solve if they get elected in november? >> look, i think the first thing that every democrat wants is someone who can beat donald trump. that's got to be job one for a presidential contender, and we know what trump is running on. trump is running on the economy. i mean, he came to iowa as probably the worst president for farmers ever and said, if you don't elect me, your farms are going to hell. you just said it. he's running on the economy. and whoever the democrat is is going to have to beat him on the economy. and that means it's going to be somebody who can expose him as a

fraud, as a businessman, a failure as a businessman, and a terrible steward of the economy for the american people. as somebody who started a business from scratch, i have the experience and expertise, over 30 years, to expose him, to go toe to toe with him, and to beat him. that's the first requirement for a democratic candidate, to be able to go toe to toe with mr. trump on the economy and beat him. and honestly, career politicians don't have the background to do it. conventional politicians, mr. trump has eaten up, whether they're republicans or democrats. >> tom, good to see you. thank you as always for joining me. 2020 presidential candidate tom steyer joining me this morning. joining us now live from des moines, congressman cedric richmond of louisiana. he's the national co-chairman of the joe biden campaign. also former chair of the congressional black congress. congressman, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me this morning. good morning. >> tell me what success looks like for joe biden in iowa

tomorrow. does he need a victory? >> well, look, he has to do well. we didn't come in here with the expectations of not doing well. i think that he will, and at the end of the night, i think when you look at the delegates, he will stand out. more importantly, it gives us a chance to go right to the heart of america and talk about joe biden's vision for america, whether it's restoring the soul of the country, putting dignity back in the country in terms of dignity of work, but the truth of the matter is, we're fighting to level the playing field. the deck is stacked against so many american families, and what we want to do is make sure every kid, every family, every mother, daughter, has a chance to fulfill their full opportunity. and right now in this country, that's just not what we have. >> the fact is there has been a consistent weakening in the strength of the average american and their loss of economic opportunity over the last 40 or 50 years. corresponding roughly to the advent of technology and

outsourcing. and inequality has been growing. there are some people who will tell you joe biden was in government throughout that entire time. >> yeah, they will say that, but what they like to do is go back to joe biden as a young senator, never want to talk about joe biden's eight years under president barack obama, when they took us out of the ditch, when we were facing the worst economic situation since the great depression. how they led us through with the recovery act, how they saved auto manufacturing. i mean, look, if you're going to tell it, tell it all. so if you look at the body of work from the vice president, it is consistent with a person who has always fought for the underdog and the middle class. and i'm just not a person that all of a sudden is going to say that wisdom and experience is a bad thing when we have a president that is so far off the hinges that it's going to take

that experience and wisdom to get us back together. but look, let me just start with this. it's the first rule of politics. you can't govern if you can't win. and this election is about making sure that we beat donald trump, and there's no mistake about it that joe biden is the best person to do that. >> let's take a look at the new poll that came out this morning. a lot is within the margin of error. it does show joe biden in a hypothetical matchup today would have the largest lead over donald trump. but it does show a bunch of other candidates also beating donald trump, including elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, and pete buttigieg. does that winnability over trump argument weaken if polls like this continue to show up? >> no, and look, let me just say thank you for that question. we all know that hillary clinton beat donald trump. but the way we have electoral college, it's where you beat him that makes a difference. if you look at michigan, if you look at florida, if you look at

pennsylvania and wisconsin, that's where joe biden beats donald trump, so we have to remember that this is about winning the electoral college, not about winning the popular vote. we did that and lost, and we have done that in the past. so i would like people to focus on those key states that make a difference. and that's where joe biden is the strongest. >> i want to ask you because you're from louisiana. one of my favorite books about the struggle of working americans is strangers in their own land, which of course, is written by aurally hawk shield, who spend time in louisiana, and it paints a picture of americans who have been left out, who have missed. in many cases, white, poor americans, but sometimes black poor americans, who have not seen their pie, their slice of the pie increase. that is a problem that we are going to have to solve. republican or democrat. someone has to tap into that, but in your state alone, what is the remedy? what is the thing that would best help those people who have been left behind through the

changes that we have gone through in the last 40 or 50 years? >> well, look, that's a complicated question. i'm going to do my best to answer it in a short time. the whole premise of the book is people vote against their own self-interests all the time, and they do it because someone convinces them emotionally that somebody else is against them. so what donald trump has been able to do so effectively is convince white america, poor america, that the reason why you're poor or the reason why you're not happy is because minorities, black people, are draining the system with welfare. they're taking your jobs. the truth of the matter is it's just not true. if you take louisiana, that is rich in culture, rich in people, but we're the poorest state and probably one of the least educated states, according to data, but it takes investing in our people. and that's our greatest asset, so whether it's education, whether it's job training, whether it's early childhood

education, all of those things go into making sure that people can achieve their fullest potential. so we suffered eight years of this austerity plan and we're going to cut, cut, cut, do more with less, and that's just a fallacy and a pipe dream talking point for republicans. and we have to invest in our people, in our infrastructure, and that takes resources. >> congressman, you're right. i asked you a big question that is worthy of hours and hours of debate, and you gave me an excellent short answer, but it's an important question. thank you, sir, for joining me. biden campaign co-chair, cedric richmond, from des moines, iowa, this morning. thank you. >> top former diplomats and national security officials are denouncing the white house's new middle east peace plan as its chief architec is speaking out in its defense. >> and later, filmmaker and bernie sanders supporter michael moore joins me. i know, a whole bunch of you know, because you have been

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the israeli cabinet plan to vote today on a plan to annex settlements in the occupied west bank and the jordan valley. that vote has been postponed. just days ago, trump's son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner in veiled the administration's plan to end the

israeli/palestinian conflict. kushner spent three years developing his plan, but this has been an issue for more than a century. i want to take a look at how we got here. in 1917, british foreign secretary arthur balfer declared the jewish people should have a home in palestine. the league of nations formally endorsed this idea. in 1947, the united nations approved a plan to partition palestine into two states. one arab, one jewish. now, jerusalem was left out of both states. it was assigned a separate status under u.n. administration. in may of 1948, after israel declared its independence, troops from several arab nations invaded the newly formed state. israel forces seized west jerusalem, while arab forces seized east jerusalem, splitting the city in two. it stayed that way until 1967, when there was a new conflict between israel and its arab

neighbors. during the six-day war, israeli forced seized the west bank, the gaza strip, and the golan heights as well as the sinai peninsula. israel returned sinai to egypt in 1982. there was some home for peace in the early 1990s when the israelis and palestinians signed the oslo accords. they recognized israel and israel gave the palestinians limited self-governance in the west bank and gaza strip. that peace did not last. one huge barrier is israeli settlements in the west bank. settlers started establishing them after the 1967 war, and they are considered illegal under international law. the u.s. supported that conclusion until last fall, when the trump administration said that they, quote, do not violate international law. president trump posted this map on twitter, which he says will be a future state of palestine under his plan. he urged both sides to accept it.

>> my vision presents a win/win opportunity for both sides. a realistic two-state solution that resolves the risk of palestinian statehood to isra israel's security. today's agreement is an historic opportunity for the palestinians to finally achieve an independent state of their very own. after 70 years of little progress, this could be the last opportunity they will ever have. >> when we come back, my panel of experts will discuss why this plan may be doomed to fail and where we go from here. ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! ♪ (announcer) once-weekly ozempic® is helping many people with type 2 diabetes like james

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the palestinians say they have cut ties with the united states and israel after president trump unveiled hiplan for ending the israeli/palestinian conflict. joining us is ronen bergman, a "new york times" staff magazine writer, also the author of rise and kill first, the secret history of israel's secret assassinations. and we're joined by the host of the deconstructed broadcast, and the former adviser to the

palestinian liberation organization and palestinian president mahmoud abbas. thank you for joining us. maddy, i want to -- president trump had once said if jared kushner couldn't get middle east peace done, nobody could. jared kushner had this to say about the deal. let's listen. >> i explained to him that the territory allocated for his new state will remain open and undeveloped for a period of four years. during this time, palestinians can use all appropriate deliberation to study the deal, negotiate with israel, achieve the criteria for statehood, and become -- >> hold on. sorry about that. early sunday morning. that was not what jared kushner said. let's play what jared kushner said. i'm going to read to you what he said. he said i have been studying this now for three years. i have read 25 books on it, spoken to every leader in the region. i have spoken to everyone who's

been involved in this. i believe that to be untrue. >> i believe that to be untrue as well. 25 books, yeah right. what kind of books? coloring books, comic books. the man has zero knowledge of the conflict, zero knowledge of the figures involved in the conflict, zero experience in international diplomacy. when trump said as you mentioned in 2017, he was appointing his new senior advier, aka, his son-in-law, aka baltimore slum lord jared kushner to get the deal of the century, he said if jared can't do it, no one can. jared can't. we saw the arab league vote unanimously to reject this quote/unquote peace plan. it's not a peace plan, as daniel levy called it, it's a hate plan, an anti-palestinian plan, and why should we be surprised it comes from jared kushner who is not only ignorant and inexperienced, he's a partisan. he and his family are

financially invested in illegal settlements in the west bank. they're so close to the israeli prime minister, when benjamin netanyahu came, he stays and slept in jared kushner's bed. why should we expect something else? here's a man whose rhetoric for the palestinians is dripping with contempt. he involved no palestinians in the negotiation of the document. anti-palestinian racism is one of the last acceptable forms of racism in this town. >> deanna, you have written an article published in newsweek, in which you make the point there were no palestinians consulted in the matter. maybe they were, but there's nobody who's a decision maker in palestine. this has not been an issue in which palestinians have been in any way involved. >> no, not at all. you know, of the 13 million palestinians that there are

worldwide, you can't even find a handful who have approved of the plan or would sign on to the plan because the plan is an anti-palestinian plan. and in the minds of kushner, friedman, and president trump, palestinian opinion doesn't matter. palestinian lives don't matter. all that matters is what israel wants and what israel says that it is not willing to do. and what it says it's not willing to dive palestinians their freedom. nothing in this plan at all guarantees equality or freedom for palestinians. all that it does is insure that israel will sustain a long-term occupation and continue to maintain control over the lives of millions of palestinians. that's all that's contained in this document. >> ronen bergman, part of the issue we have discussed several times before, it is at the top of the list for most palestinians. it's not at the top of the list for most israelis, for various reasons, including that benjamin nett anyahu has made other thin

the top of the list, and there are israelis who don't understand the gravity of the situation or don't think it's a priority. they have essentially contained palestinians and that's the status quo moving forward. >> yeah, many israelis, maybe most israelis -- >> yes, and this should be weighing very heavily -- >> let's hear from ronen on this one. >> i believe that most israelis or many of them believe that, as you say, the situation is contained. palestinian uprising was reduced to a minimum in the previous decade, and there are no more riots, no more protests, no more, god forbid, suicide bombers. the palestinians, they believe, have enjoyed some sort of quality life. they don't travel to the palestinian authority, of course, not to gaza, which they cannot even travel to, and they don't see how miserable palestinian lives are, and lives under foreign rule. israeli rule. i believe that israelis saw --

many israelis saw this plan, maybe with good reason, as a great achievement to primenetan. the essence of the plan was written by benjamin netanyahu many years ago in his book, place under the sun. this is, i would say, a more elaborate, more detailed netanyahu plan put forward by the hands of mr. trump, and most people put the emphasis on the point of the palestinians would never agree. well, they will never agree. i just want to pay attention to maybe a theoretical possibility of if they would agree, what would happen the day after? it's just a map full of small enclaves of israeli rule mixed with palestinian rules. and let's say that one of the settlements would like to open a new neighborhood. would they ask permission from the palestinian authority? they will never get the permission. next thing, you have a civil war with the idea, if israeli forces

and palestinian forces right in the middle. this is not a peace plan. it's a recipe for civil war the day after it's being implemented. >> deanna, you and i were actually in some of those enclaves in october together, looking at some of the sort of ludicrousness of the way this map all turns out where israeli settlements cut off from others, palestinian settlements cut off from others. it's not a normal way of coexisting. is the problem that israelis don't register the importance of it, the problem that they don't know it, or the problem that nobody involved in what is supposed to be the deal of the century talked to any palestinians about it? >> it's all of the above. the big problem is that israelis have never paid a price, and israel has never paid a price for building and expanding these settlements. as a result, the mindset has been cemented among israelis that the settlements are there to stay and the land is theirs. when you get to a point where you have this mindset, the

international community has cemented this mindset as well, it's not at all surprising the world turns around and doesn't even involve the palestinians in what is essentially their future. this is the problem, at the essence of the trump plan is this colonial arrogance that somehow they seem to know what is better for palestinians than palestinians themselves. at the end of the day, if they really want to have peace, if there really is going to be peace, it has to be peace based on equality, not colonial arrogance in this plan. >> is there a possibility that the next president of the united states could actually usher in a real deal? >> not at the moment, but what's really interesting is if you ask americans what do they prefer, they're kind of torn between a two-state solution and a one-state solution. equ equal, but if you tell americans there's no two-state solution on the table, and this plan means no two-state solution, by 2 to 1

majority, everybody wants one equal state. surprise, surprise, americans don't like apartheid. and those enclaves look very much like south american bantue stands. that's not what i would assume most americans want to see palestinians confined to forever. >> thank you to the three of you for joining me. this is a complicated issue. it's not a complicated plan but a complicated issue. maddy housen, deanna beautue, and ronan ben bergman is the au of the book, rise and kill first, joining me very early from los angeles. thank you. >> the president uses twitter to attack his political opponents, but it's his role in helping spread conspiracies that is worrying some people going into the fw2020 election. we'll tell you why next. ahh no, come on. i saw you eating poop earlier. my focus is on the road,

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the trump presidency and it was through his twitter account. he broke his own record for the greatest number of tweets in a single day, tweeting 142 times in the span of 24 hours, as the house managers began their argument for his removal from office. it might come as a shock, but the president's need to engage on social media is on par with gen xers in the country, parents are concerned about their children's smartphone usage. more than half of american children own a digital device by age 11, and too much screen time can actually lead to some unhealthy behavior. joining me, ben collins and jake ward, assistant professor of communications at syracuse university, jennifer giegal, and an early and current investor in facebook. roger mcnamy, the author of zucked. roger, you wrote an entire book

on the fact that engage lt design was built into facebook and other social media. the whole point was to get you hooked so you do more, you like more, you say more, and what we may or may not have understood is some of the bad stuff is more engaging than the good stuff. >> a lot more engaging. the problem we have is these platforms are designed to engage our attention, and no protections were put in to prevent bad actors from manipulating the system. you see people, we just had an impeachment trial over the whole issue of soliciting foreign election interference. what people don't realize is there is domestic and foreign interference going on social media every single day. and researchers at george washington university have uncovered a network that began before the 2016 election. this incredibly active now targeting the democratic primary. >> i tommed to tom steyer, for surrogates for joe biden and elizabeth warren. in a memant, i'm going to talk

to michael moore. you're saying this is active 93 within the democratic nomination race. >> with a very simple goal. think of it as voter suppression as the ultimate goal, and the notion is to divide bernie sanders and isolate him from the rest of the party and have everybody fighting back and forth so that they cannot come back together at the end of the primary process. and you saw on friday, with the gigantic argument that took place over representative tul talib's comment, that it's working. and keep in mind, the level of activity, the number of interactions per day is ten times as large as the average for the democratic campaigns, from their official sites. this is huge. 2.5 million interactions every single day and designed to enflame everybody. and they have been accusing buttigieg of being a cia plant. they're accusing vice president biden of being a child molester. they're accusing elizabeth warren of being a pawn of the panks. and they're looking at the

bernie folks and saying hey, stay pure. it's bernie or bust. they're trying to isolate the two from each other. and it's incredibly harmful. the folks at george washington university who did this work took it to facebook, showed it to them. facebook got rid of 148 pages, but there's still 2800 active pages and 1800 -- >> you'll remember, a guy went into a pizza parlor outside of washington because he thought there was a child pedophilia ring being run by hillary clinton. you do this, you dwell in this cesspool of garbage on the internet. one of the things you actually do for us is try to differentiate between what's real political opinion and free speech and what is this manipulated influence and division. >> yeah, and i think roger hit the nail of the head. the seeds have been sown for the last few years where bad actors realize i can make money here, i can spread my ideology here, and they do it with things like the coronavirus, for example. they see there is this gap where

information should be. and they're called clout chasers. they go and find these divisive issues where there's no information because there's no reporting. it's in china, for example, and they spread disinformation that's often racist and very just really over the top stuff, because that's what works. that's how the platforms are supposed to work. drive engagement. drive division. and then, they build up these platforms. coronavirus or kobe's death last week. a lot of people jumping on that. these are not experts. these are not reporters. these are clout chasers. then, by the time the election comes around, these people have millions of followers. we have seen this for years and years. we saw this with hurricane sandy, one of the biggest conservative accounts on twitter spread disinformation about hurricane sandy and he's still around, and the biggest clout chaser of all is the president, unfortunately. >> we know it happens. when these researchers went to facebook, they took some pages down, but you and jake and i

talk about this all the time, in theory, this should be fixable. you're an academic. we know what the code looks like. we know why they're doing it. roger's book makes the argument, there are a lot of reasons not to solve this problem. part is because it's, a, lucrative, and b, it can be convenient for bad actors who are not in this country. >> roger and others often reference the business model. we have to remind the public the very politicians who are supposed to be regulating these companies are using those platforms to get elected. a lot of conflict of interest there. a lot of programs have been rolled out around fact checking and misinformation on facebook and other platforms. it's important to remind the american public, this has not been resolved. it's not effective. i still think there's a ton of risk when it comes to the upcoming election, and fundamentally social media is still a threat to democracy. i think we need to, again, just remind people that people are out to influence you right now through disinformation, through

memes. facebook is able to control the algorithm, and maybe individuals aren't seeing the free press and actual journalism. so making a concerted effort to go out there and make sure you're engaging with folks who are doing their homework, that are spreading, you know, information for the right reasons, to help inform people, and to just have that awareness. we need to talk about influence and not just misinformation. >> when we talk about that, people always ask, how do you fix this? how do you change it? we don't know how we change it with consumers like me because i'm not well enough trained, but we think maybe the only hope is to make sure the younger generation is more digital savvy and figures this out, but you have research now that indicates there are dangers with the degree to which we're giving these devices to the youngest among us. >> that's right. i think the political moment we're all in right now is the far end, is the midpoint on a journey on a train that left, you know, about ten years ago, when this media began to become standardized. the problem, of course, is good

science requires a decade or more to figure out that there is a kind of compulsive behavior, to categorize something such that science can spot it. gambling, which we have known has been a problem for many people for years, hasn't become a classified disorder, a substance abuse disorder category thing until 2013. it takes that long for science to figure it out. what we have been looking at is young children who by the age of 4 months tend to see their first screen. as you pointed out, half of kids under the age of 11, by some estimates, under the age of 5, have their own device. we're seeing all kinds of negative effects from it. right now, we spent the last week talking to researchers at facilities in seattle, in michigan, trying to come up with a standardized way of saying how much screen use is too much, what is the compulsive nature of it, and how do we coach parents to change the mindset? i think we saw a generation ago this same sort of blind spot where we didn't know what is the effect of tobacco on my kids, we didn't know that. it took years for science to

figure it out. now we're figuring out we have really primed a whole generation to think this device is the most powerful thing in my family's device. i should get in on it as soon as i can, and then we wind up in a world these guys are all describing so well, where we're all addicted to it all the time, we can't tell the difference between real and fake, and here we are in this moment. an earlier intervention is what's going to have to happen. >> we have just scratched the surface on this, but what i was going to say is i'm going to promise my viewers we're going to tackle this issue and the implications of living in this fully digital world and how it intersects with politics every week on the show, and these are the faces you are going to see. so i'm deeply appreciative you have taken time to kick it off. ben collins, jake ward, assistant professor of communications at syracuse jufrt, jennifer griegal, and roger mcnamee. >> we're going to talk with michael moore on the state of the 2020 race when the filmmaker and bernie sanders supporter,

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the white house. now, sanders claims he will work to support whomever wins the nomination in order to defeat president trump. listen. >> let me say this, so there is no misunderstanding, listen. >> let me say this so there is no misunderstanding, and i believe i speak for all of the other democrats competing in this primary. certainly i hope that we're going to win, but if we do not win, we will support the winner, and i know that every other candidate will do the same. we are united in understanding that we must defeat donald trump. >> the clinton-sanders divide extends. rashida tall beebe encouraged attendees to continue booing after clinton's name was brought up. >> last week when someone by the name of hillary clinton said nobody -- we're not going to

boo. we're not classy here. >> no, i'll boo. boo! >> you all know i can't be quiet. no. we're going to boo. that's all right. the haters will shut up on monday when we win. >> she has since said she allows clinton's comments to get the best of her. another surrogate, filmmaker michael moore is also taking aim at clinton. he's host of the podcast rumble with michael moore. michael, what's the point of this fight? >> no point. the only thing we should be talking about is the fact that donald trump is throwing this coming month 700,000 americans off food stamps. that's the issue. the issue is that when you graduate from collegiate age 22, you're thrown into a virtual debtor's prison for the next 20 or 30 years of your life trying to pay off these student loans. that's the issue.

that's why bernie is number one in the polls here because people are sick and tired of being sick and tired. they're tired of being threatened when they get sick, when they have to go to the hospital, that they may lose their home, go bankrupt. this is what is really at issue. i traveled the state for the last 12 days, back and forth, places like storm lake and fort dodge and marshaltown. people stand up and say to bernie or to me or to alexandria ocasio-cortez, i just got my wages garnished because i couldn't afford to pay the hospital bill, and they start crying. bernie or aoc has to go talk to these individuals privately to give them some comfort. i crisscrossed the state, i see flint michigan everywhere, the struggles trying to get by from week to week.

>> michael, you and i talk about these issues, poverty, health care, all these things that can be fixed. a minimum wage that some people still earn of $7.25. you've got 6 million followers on twitter. bernie sanders has more than that. is the fear valid that there is a break in the democratic party that may be being encouraged by bernie sanders people, and can you end that now? >> no. >> can you say you will not use your social media power and media power to diminish anybody else if they take the lead? >> i can say what bernie just said is what we've all said from the beginning, whoever is the democratic nominee. we're going to get out there and actively fight for that person to get elected on november 3rd. this davis siveness has not occurred from bernie. bernie has all been about unity this whole time as he was in

2016. that's a false story we don't need to get into today. >> roger, let me just -- he says maybe you guys are being played, other forces at play doing that. >> then, i tell you, if anybody is being played, this started, if you remember, a couple weeks ago when our former presidential candidate not only said nobody likes him and that she would not commit to supporting him if he was the nominee, and then a week later, joe biden makes the same statement, that he would not commit if bernie was the nominee to supporting him. once they said that they would not support the democratic nominee, they were on the trump bandwagon. they will say that they aren't. when you say you won't support the democratic nominee, at that point who are you really for? what they're worried about, what the old school democratic elite, the corporate democrats, what they're worried about is that

there's a new way now, and there's young people behind this. there have been approximately 15 million 17-year-olds in the last four years that have turned 18. they are massively behind change. if we go back to the old way, the corporate democrats who are just 1% of the party, if we let them take over again, look what they've done. two things. let me finish. they changed the rules to let bloomberg buy his way on the stage. he doesn't have to show any support. they changed the rules, they forced julian castro and cory booker to play by. they got eliminated but bloomberg gets to come on. >> i've got 30 seconds left and i run out of show time. let me ask you this -- >> dnc members are meeting this weekend trying to decide how can we stop bernie sanders. >> how do we assure americans

who are worried that bernie sanders -- how do you assure people that bernie sanders will take us in a direction that's economically dangerous? you and i have discussed all these issues and discussed what medicare looks like for all, what a higher minimum wage looks like. how do you assure people bernie sanders isn't going to take what some people think is a road too far? >> bernie sanders has already said he's going to support the democratic nominee. hillary clinton and joe biden said they don't know if they will. what people should be afraid of is voting for somebody who took us to the iraq war. what people should be afraid of is people who take money from goldman sachs, these corporate democrats. that's what they should be worried about. that's what they are worried about. that's why bernie is the front-runner. we're going to keep talking about the issues. the issues are donald trump, beating donald trump and stopping this madness of people going bankrupt because they went to college. >> you got the last word on this one. >> that's what we're about.

>> thank you, my friend. good to see you. i appreciate you getting up. i know you were partying with something called vampire weekend late last night. i appreciate you in front of the camera. michael moore in cedar rapids, iowa. listen to his rumble podcast. pete buttigieg in his closing argument in the iowa caucus when the presidential candidate joins joy reid from des moines. that's up next. for small prices, you can build big dreams, spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair.com

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