the turnout here. just one more thing to exploit, democra democrats need to think that through, including bernie a tool to enrich himself and his sanders voters, that he was going to bring this record corrupt buddies at everyone turnout of new people and they were going to surge to get rid else's expense. of donald trump. if you're not doing it in this i believe government should work state, democrats need to think about what does the coalition for everyone. look like that gets rid of donald trump because the [ cheers and applause ] coalition to get rid of donald trump is more likely going to look like, you know, a state we don't know all the results tonight, but tonight has already that's a lot more diverse like, showed that americans have a you know, georgia or florida. deep hunger for big, structural i don't know. it's difficult to make the argument here that there is a change to make our democracy surge of white voters who are work for everyone. eager to get rid of donald tonight showed that our path to trump. >> all night long we've used the victory is to fight hard for the word viability, and i think we changes americans are demanding, have to ask ourselves about the changes that democrats, viability of the iowa caucuses, independents, and republicans the decision this country has to are demanding. make to find someone to challenge trump. tonight showed that our agenda but also the viability of the democratic party. isn't just a progressive agenda. i really think it's got a problem. going forward -- i saw the bernie surge there. it isn't just a democratic that's about a third of the party, but it's not the party. agenda. it's an american agenda. [ cheers and applause ] and if the party gets into a civil war situation sometime

this spring going into the summer, we've got a real disaster because if trump isn't throughout our history when moments of crisis have called on challenged, that's an historic loss for the country, if he's us to meet big challenges, not facing a serious challenger, and i wonder about that americans have answered the happening. >> chris matthews, joy reid in des moines. call. even when the doubters and we've come to the top of another critics say that our dreams are hour. kareem, can you pan right and too big and the fights are too show us the results of the iowa hard, we persist. caucus? might as well talk about 2016 results. they're up on the board. in the 1700s when people said, >> these are the last iowa democratic caucus results we have. >> these just in to us. we can never overthrow a king and form a new republic, farmers hillary clinton will be your victor followed by bernie and merchants came together and sanders and martin o'malley, who fought side by side until we won leaves iowa on a rocket for new our independence. in the 1800s, people said that hampshire. >> bernie sanders was at 49 four slavery would endure forever, years ago. he's lost somewhere around half and african-americans would of the support that he had in never see liberation. iowa four years ago. but abolitionist, enslaved and >> you're turning defeat into a victory, and that's what -- formerly enslaved people formed >> it's kind of the unnoticed an underground railroad and more number of iowa. than 2 million people waged a what bernie sanders had four war to defeat the tyranny of

years ago, bernie sanders voters are not as attached as people seem to think they are because slavery. and in the 1900s, people said we they got another chance four years later and they have split could never rescue our economy from the depths of the great off. like half of them have split off to other candidates. depression or defeat fascism, that's a very big deal, that he but we forged a new deal. hasn't been able to hold the we mobilized to defeat fascism. support he had four years ago. we expanded unions. >> isn't that an impossibility, we built a middle class, and we though, with such a bigger marched for civil rights. field? >> it shouldn't be if they're attached to you. look, we have seen candidates in large fields get huge amounts of americans do big things. support, like way outsize that's who we are. everybody else. it happens. it's not happening here. what those voters are saying is, oh, now that there's more on the we don't settle. menu than just hillary and we don't back down. bernie, i'm interested in we meet big problems with even elizabeth, and i'm interested in pete, and i'm interested in these other people. bigger solutions. but if you give them -- i think once again, if you gave them so i'm here tonight because i just a kind of hillary/bernie choice, then bernie would have 49 again. believe that big dreams are >> that's an interesting point still possible in america. too when you consider that the number, at least as it's coming tonight you showed that when you out as being reported, is the

imagine an america that lives up same as 2016. to its ideals, you can set in 171-ish thousand voters. motion the process of making it so that tells you a lot about the folks who turned out, okay? a reality. all it takes is some hard work and it does tell you a lot about how the candidate who had almost and better connections. 50% of that vote four years ago and here in iowa, that's what has lost some of that. yeah, some of it you can say happened. you came together. you organized. it's a lot more people on the you showed that we are united in stage. but it says to me that the democrats really are sort of, at our conviction that hope defeats least in the cycle, thinking this thing through and sort of fear, that courage overcomes weighing out their options a little bit more, which again makes the case that i've been cynicism, that we will always be trying to say. don't put so much on this first a stronger party and a stronger state because this thing is an nation when we unite around our unsettled question for a lot of shared values to advance justice democrats, and i think iowa tonight, despite the hiccup and and expand opportunity to the craziness with the process, everyone. is telling us, we want to look a little bit more. i mean andrew yang is still on the stage coming out of iowa, so right now across america, all right? and pete buttigieg is going to there are folks standing with be in a stronger position. groups of friends or sitting on joe biden is hanging on. the couch with loved ones or that dynamic is still very much

maybe even watching this quietly in play here, and i think a lot on their phones because everyone of people want to wrap it up and else in the house is asleep. get past iowa and say, okay, this is the guy or the gal watching and thinking, maybe i that's going to do it for us. and the voters are saying, not could help out. >> yes! so fast. >> maybe i could volunteer some >> 11:00 local time on a school night, and a lot of kids are on time. [ cheers and applause ] maybe i could get in the fight. the mayor pete riser waiting to and that is how we're going to see mayor pete. once a parent, always a parent. do this. i am here tonight to tell you if steve kornacki, we're just having a little fun with the 2016 results, but that's all you have hope that america can we've got. >> you want to go county by be better than it has been in county? >> you'll go all night, toe to these last few years and if you toe. >> we could do it all night. have the courage to speak out an update here. you've heard the statements. and do a little organizing with we've gotten a couple of them from the iowa state democratic us, then this campaign is for party saying they've received -- you. [ cheers and applause ] they've got 25% of the precincts in. they're not telling us. we're asking all these questi questions. they're not telling where those precincts are from. they're saying the turnout is on if you can imagine an america pace for 2016. where corruption doesn't block they're not telling us how our ability to reduce gun they're arriving at that. i mentioned in the past when violence, an america where we they've had 25%, 30% of the can urgently tackle climate precincts in, they've been change, an america where we can

released. bring an end to the opioid we've been able to give you incremental stuff. at 8:50 p.m. tonight, east coast epidemic, then this campaign is for you. time, the iowa democratic party told us that they would begin releasing the results, quote, if you can imagine an economy soon. and that soon estimate lasted for the next hour and a half, where every job has dignity, and since then, it's been these statements that you've put on where people are paid a livable the air. all the questions that we have put to them about methodology and exactly what's going on wage, and where everyone, procedure-wise that have not everyone has a real chance to been answered, they seem to sort of be in lockdown mode. thrive, then this campaign is for you. at this point now, i think it's past midnight. yeah,ince and if you can imagine a they told us soon. i think at this point the thing democracy where people, not that would be most encouraging would be a plan. money, come first, this campaign what exactly are you planning to do in terms of releasing these is for you. results? is it going to come tonight? is it going to come tomorrow? how is it going to come because and if you can imagine an frankly the size of those statements you read on the arir america, a moral clarity that no communication here from the state party. >> elizabeth warren has had an lives its values every day, then idea as she has grown famous for

this campaign is for you. her selfies after a speech or an event. she is doing so one by one in tonight we are one step closer to winning the fight for the front of the flag backdrop that america we imagine is possible. has cameras facing it anyway as tonight is for you. people wait in line. and i am guessing the way she tonight is for every volunteer who put their feet to the works, no unhappy customers pavement to fight for change. leave an event. she's going to exhaust this line before she takes off for new hampshire. >> so this is the indefatigable it's for every organizer who braved the blistering cold to demonstration project of the knock on doors. elizabeth warren campaign, which is that she runs into every event. she does hundreds if not it's for every person who made a thousands of selfies after every event. call or sent a text to spread could we turn around her remarks which she just wrapped up the word. i'm going to tell you about some moments ago? >> that would be great. >> this is elizabeth warren's of our volunteers because remarks. she started speaking right about tonight is for the veterans who the same time as joe biden. here's what she had to say. came back diagnosed with ptsd and who volunteered every week >> thank you, iowa. [ cheers and applause ] to help us become a nation that thank you so much. honors its promises to its so, listen, it is too close to call, so i'm just going to tell

veterans. you what i do know. tonight is for every >> you won! [ cheers and applause ] undocumented, unafraid organizer and volunteer who proudly >> as the baby daughter of a knocked on doors to let the janitor, i am so grateful to be world know that the path to up on this stage tonight. progress runs through courage, not fear. tonight as a party, we are one step closer to defeating the tonight is for the innovative, most corrupt president in american history. persistent women who organized tomorrow donald trump will make babysitting clubs so they could a speech about the state of the get in more hours of volunteering. union. but i have a message for every and tonight is for the single american. our union is stronger than donald trump. mother who had been homeless and was so determined that her twin and in less than a year, our daughters would grow up in a union will be stronger than ever better world, that she found a when that one man is replaced by spare moment to make calls on our behalf. tonight is for everyone who one very persistent woman. believes that no matter the

color of your skin, who you love, how you worship, where you [ cheers and applause ] were born or what zip code you live in, you should be safe and your opportunities should be pretty much as good as everyone else's. >> warren, warren, warren, warren, warren. every day, in every way, this >> donald trump and i see movement is made up of people america from very different who know that the only way to viewpoints, and we have since we make progress and to build power were born. is to fight from the heart. trump grew up in new york city so tonight, iowa and all of you, in a 23-room, 9-bathroom i want to say thank you. mansion. i grew up out in oklahoma in a thank you for living your two-bedroom house with one bathroom and a converted garage values. thank you for standing together, where my three brothers slept. fighting together, persisting by the time he was 3, donald trump was getting a $200,000 together. you have made me a better candidate, and you will make me a better president. allowance every year from his [ cheers and applause ] dad's real estate empire. in total, he got nearly half a billion dollars from his dad. me?

i took on small jobs to make money, babysitting, waitressing, and while i'm at it, while i'm sewing dresses for my aunts. at it, i want to thank my donald trump claimed bone spurs sweetie bruce. to avoid the draft. all three of my older brothers signed up for military service, and the oldest spent 5 1/2 years off and on in combat in vietnam. before he became a reality tv and thanks to bailey. host, donald trump spent most of his career running one company he truly is a good boy. after another into bankruptcy, stiffing small businesses, ripping off workers, and scamming students. together, together we have built i spent most of my career a movement powered by hopeful, studying why families go broke and fighting to make it easier courageous people who will do for them to get back on their the work to make the change we need. and we're just getting started. this race will be decided by feet. [ cheers and applause ] people like you. before i was even elected to and if you believe that something should be done, then office, i built an entire federal agency to stop big banks i'm asking you to do something. and financial institutions from cheating people. go to elizabethwarren.com right now. pitch in a few bucks.

i tell you this because a sign up to volunteer. get involved with our campaign near wherever you live because this race started right here in iowa. but from tomorrow it will run from ocean to ocean. person's values matter. east to new hampshire and then a president's values matter. west to nevada and then down to south carolina. this fight will stretch across all 57 states and territories that make up this great nation until we unite together as a party in milwaukee. the road won't be easy -- >> warren, warren, warren, warren, warren, warren. >> the road is not going to be easy here, but we are built for the long haul.

yeah, we still have a fight on our hands, but we are fueled by the hope in our hearts. our optimism and our determination run deep. and no matter what lies ahead, we are not afraid. [ cheers and applause ] this is our moment. this is the moment we have been called to. our moment to make history. our moment to dream big, fight hard, and win. >> and like we planned it this way, we seamlessly switch to live coverage of mayor pete, who has just started talking. >> thank you. [ cheers and applause ]

thank you. thank you. what a night because tonight an improbable hope became an undeniable reality. [ cheers and applause ] [ crowd chanting ]

>> so we don't know all the results, but we know by the time it's all said and done, iowa, you have shocked the nation because by all indications, we are going on to new hampshire victorious. [ cheers and applause ] >> pete, pete, pete, pete, pete, pete, pete, pete.

>> you know, one year ago, it was in the deep freeze of an iowa january where we began this unlikely journey to win the american presidency. we weren't well known, but we had a new idea. the idea that at this moment when washington has never felt further from our everyday lives, a middle class mayor from the american midwest could carry the voices of the american people all the way to the american capital and make sure they're actually heard. we had the belief that in the face of exhaustion and cynicism and division, in spite of every trampled norm and every

poisonous tweet, that a rising majority of americans was hungry for action and ready for new answers. we could see an american majority yearning for leadership to rally us together behind bold ideas to make a difference in our lives. we saw that americans were ready to come together, but our politics were not. and to seize this moment, we needed a new path forward, a path that welcomes people instead of pushing them away, brought them together instead of driving them apart because this is our best and maybe our last shot. we knew that with this american majority, we are on the cusp of changing the game for ordinary americans, but that we could not

win or govern if we wrote people off who didn't agree with us 100% of the time. but that if we could come together, the future that we know is possible would start on january 21st, 2021. [ cheers and applause ] >> president pete, president pete, president pete, president pete. >> now, there were skeptics, an awful lot of skeptics who said not now, not this time. all this talk of belonging and of bridging divides is too naive, too risky. so tonight i say with a heart full of gratitude, iowa, you have proved those skeptics

wrong. [ cheers and applause ] >> io-o-w-i-o-w-a, may way. y . >> by your efforts -- and it was by your efforts we brought together an extraordinary coalition of americans, progressives, moderates, and that good number of what we like to call future former republicans. and that's how we're going to win in november because it's about adding people to our cause, adding to our majority. that is how we will guarantee that on the day donald trump

leaves office, we'll be ready to move america forward into the era that must come next. i want to thank every member of our campaign family, every organizer, every volunteer, every caucus-goer who talked to a neighbor or a co-worker, every staff member and every supporter who believed. and anyone who shares our vision can join the three quarters of a million grassroots supporters fueling our movement and chip in right now at peteforamerica.com. >> buttigieg, buttigieg, buttigieg, buttigieg. >> and while we're at it, i want

to recognize a few other people who helped us get to this night. my mother, who not only helped raise me but put her love of language to work answering letters sent to our campaign. [ crowd chanting ] my father who left us just in the very early days of this journey, but whose own journey to this country made tonight possible in the first place. and to the love of my life, keeping my feet on the ground, how about a hand for the future

first gentleman of the united stat states? let's hear it for chasten. >> i also want to congratulate my fellow democratic competitors in this diverse and formidable field. for months we have been having an honest and respectful but vigorous debate about the course of our party and the future of this nation. and tonight iowa chose a new path. [ cheers and applause ]

from river to river, in churches and community centers and high school gyms, you joined your neighbors to say that the time has come to turn the page and open up a new chapter in the american story. you chose to move on not just from the broken policies of these last few years but the broken politics that got us here. and tomorrow because of what we did here, the nation will have that choice too. we take our message onward to new hampshire, which has a way of making up its own mind, to nevada, to south carolina, and beyond to every corner of america. [ cheers and applause ] and as we do, we will be building the movement that not only will win the election against donald trump but win the

era for our shared values. we have exactly one shot to defeat donald trump, and we're not going to do it by overreaching. we're not going to do it by division. we're not going to do it by saying "it's my way or the highway." this is our shot, our only shot to galvanize an american majority to win. and make no mistake, ours is the campaign that will defeat this president. [ cheers and applause ] a president who cuts taxes for

corporations while crushing the rights of workers to organize ought to have to compete with a middle class mayor who entered politics fighting for autoworkers and who actually lives and works in the industrial midwest. a president who tries to cloak himself and his wrongdoing in religion should have to debate a candidate not afraid to remind america that god does not belong to a political party. [ cheers and applause ] and a president who avoided serving when it was his turn should have to stand next to a veteran ready to show what troops deserve from a real commander in chief.

now, this president may get a pass on the floor of the senate, but this november the verdict will be up to us. and when i'm your nominee, we will win big enough to send not just donald trump's presidency but trumpism itself into the dust bin of history where it belongs. [ cheers and applause ] something is stirring in america right now. you can feel it. we saw it tonight in the bluest counties, in the reddest, in rural tini towns and industrial cities and the big communities and suburbs in between. we're seeing democrats hungry to win, independent voters who have been turned off by our politics, republicans tired of trying to look their kids in the eye and explain this presidency all

standing together and all standing together to declare that we are defined not by who we voted for in the past but by what we're voting for in the future. this is the coalition that no pundits saw coming, and it's the coalition the president won't see coming either. it's a majority we're assembling to agree not just on who we're against but on what we are for. we are unifying a rising american majority ready to raise wages and empower workers in this fast-changing economy. a majority ready and determined to put an end to endless war.

a majority committed to bringing about a day in america where your race has no bearing on your health, your wealth, your access to education, or your relationship with law enforcement. a majority of americans ready to support our teachers with a president and a secretary of education who believe in public educati education. those americans are counting on us to come together and act, and they cannot wait. i've met americans not even yet old enough to vote but who know that we cannot wait. an 11-year-old asking how his family will be able to afford

the insulin he needs. he can't wait for a president who will ensure there is no such thing as an uninsured american or an unaffordable prescription. the 14-year-old who let me know she's already written out a basic will because she's terrified the next day in school could be her last cannot wait for a president who will see to it that she can walk into her school free of fear. the 10-year-old who let me know he expects to be around in 2100 and look back at whether we acted fast enough to secure his future. he cannot wait for a president prepared to enlist every american in the fight for our climate. we are running for them. this campaign is giving voice to

them, and it has room for everyone because no matter who you voted for in elections past and for that matter, no matter who you caucused for tonight, we welcome you in our campaign, and you belong in the future that we are building for america. >> buttigieg, buttigieg, buttigieg, buttigieg. >> whether you're a young woman with autism in muscatine or a veteran battling addiction in claremont, you belong. whether you clean hotel rooms in las vegas or are getting a new business up and running in charleston, you belong. i believe the presidency has a

purpose, and the purpose of our american presidency is not the glorification of the president. it is the unification and the empowerment of the american people. america has a place for everyone, and i believe this not because of my age but because of my experience. i believe in american unity because of my experience serving, of lacing up my boots in the dust of a war zone had anything in common besides the flag on our shoulders yet learned to trust each other with our lives. >> thank you! >> i believe in american boldness because of my experience governing, guiding a city once called dying out of the shadows of our empty

factories and into a brighter future. and i believe an american belonging because of the experience you are part of tonight. looking out at you and remember how it felt to be an indiana teenager wondering if he would ever belong in this world. wondering if something deep inside him meant that he would forever be an outsider, that he might never wear the uniform, never be accepted, never even know love. and now that same person is standing in front of you a mayor, a veteran, happily married, and one step closer to becoming the next president of the united states. [ cheers and applause ]

that is the america we are building. that is the america so many iowans chose tonight. if you are ready to build an american life defined by belonging, this is our chance. if you're ready to build an american politics defined by boldness, this is our chance. and if you are ready to build an american future defined by unity in the face of our greatest challenges, this is our chance. so with hope in our hearts and fire in our bellies, we're going on to new hampshire, on to the nomination, and on to chart a new course for this country that we love. thank you. thank you, iowa. thank you so much. thank you.

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look who's still working. she's still in iowa, still taking selfies with all who ask before flying east to new hampshire. >> is that a live shot? >> oh, yeah, this is happening as we speak. and bailey the dog is there somewhere too. welcome back. we have more members of our family having joined us. cynthia mcfadden, nbc news correspondent. her role will be introduced in a moment. and mike murphy, longtime republican political -- >> svengali? >> he's one of the best hangs in all of politics. great company, great experience. thank you for being here. >> i want to tell but one little piece of reporting that we got in the break while we were listening to that last speech. then i think we can talk to the reporter who sourced this. nbc news is now reporting that the iowa democratic party, within the past hour, hosted a conference call with the various candidates' campaigns.

sources confirm to nbc news that the iowa democratic party hung up on the campaigns as the campaigns pressed the party for more information about the issues with reporting results and when they would receive more data or results. sources say the call got very heated. no official comment from the iowa democrats on this reporting, but if they were in fact on a conference call with all the campaigns at once and ended the call by hanging up on them, it would be a bad idea to plead technical difficulties if they were going to try to make this go away. >> your call is not important to us. >> no. and we are still seeing zero results out of iowa. we have had two on the record statements from the iowa democratic party as to what was going on. in the first instance, they said there was quality control issues in terms of the data, quality checks. in the second statement, they were more specific saying they found inconsistencies in the reporting of the three different sets of numbers that the party had said they were going to put

out tonight. those three sets of numbers being the initial allocation of supporters in these caucuses and then the re-allocation after some candidates dropped out because they weren't viable. they were going to give basically popular vote numbers for each of those two rounds and then the all-important delegate allocations. we've seen nothing from the party yet, and now it seems this is getting very heated with the campaigns. we are going to one of the campaign headquarters now where maura barrett, who has been at klobuchar headquarters tonight, is actually the source of our reporting on this in terms of what happened on this conference call. maura, thank you again for this, for helping us understand what's going on. can you elaborate at all further on what happened in this conference call or how it resolved? >> reporter: sure, rachel. so, yes, i'm at klobuchar hq and they're breaking things down. they're seeing some internal numbers and publicly from caucus sites that they're doing even or better than vice president

biden, which is interesting because we obviously don't have these results officially from the iowa democrats. like up said, we heard from some democratic campaign staffers here that on this conference call intended for a status update with what the security issues might be, the iowa democrats hung up on campaign staffers as they started asking questions, looking to have an idea when we might get results, when we might understand what has exactly been going on. i actually did just get right before we came on air, an update from the iowa democrats. they told me essentially this was intended as a status update. they opened the floor for questions and then they had to get back to business because they're obviously dealing with quality control. so that's the latest update we have here, but i do want to let you guys know what we're hearing from sources around the state is that precinct caucus chairs are calling into the iowa democrats one by one. they're on hold with the iowa democrats for up to 30 to 45 minutes as they're working to manually verify the results here tonight. so as far as we know, we're still going to be waiting here

for a little while, rachel, brian. >> the one caucus secretary we talked to, maura, from one precinct in ames, iowa, when he talked to us, as brian noted, you could actually hear the hold music in the background while he was holding on another line to call in his results. he was on at two hours at the point we talked to him. so these precinct chairs trying to get these results in are not getting anywhere. maura, thank you so much. please keep us apprised. really appreciate it. >> of course. thank you. >> well, cynthia. >> well, at least they had backup paper. let's say that. >> yeah. >> so i mean that's the good news because these votes could be counted by hand if that turns out to be necessary. >> so there's this app. tell us about the app. you were just regaling us were what you've learned about the app. >> so the app is brand-new this year. the democratic party in iowa declined to tell anybody who had developed the app. but we do know it wasn't one of the apps you could get on apple. this was privately sourced, privately done, and privately

distributed just a couple of days ago, we understand, to the various caucus chair people so that they could file these results more efficiently, more accurately. they called the app a fancy calculator. well, it turns out not to be so fancy apparently. one of the first issues with the app is that party folk were supposed to download it onto their own personal cell phones. and tonight as of 5:30, we already had talked to 12 various caucus leaders who were having trouble downloading it. we actually have a copy, if the control room can put it up. it says your app is ready to download, but with these words. listen to this. this type of file can harm your device. do you want to keep app release apk anyway? yikes. well, you might imagine that a few people were hesitant to download this. that seems to be at least part of the problem. >> and the democratic party is saying the app did not go down. >> yeah. >> and this is not a hack or an

intrusion. but if the hack failed because nobody was able to or willing to put it on their phone to use it, that is a form of failure. >> and if you couldn't get on to it, apparently people were having trouble logging onto it as well. >> you said at the outset, thank god there is paper, it's true. what we will have from iowa, i think our best guess s we will ultimately have a correct result someday. >> yes. >> because there is a checkable real basis for the count that won't disappear. as to when it gets done and what the impact when they finally arrive, it's anybody's guess. >> as you know, several of the precinct chairs have said, you know what? we're folding up shop, and we're just going to wait until tomorrow. >> mike murphy, i know you don't like to brag and you've seen some dumpster fires in your lifetime. where does this rank? >> this is pretty high. i'm sure on that high decibel call with the campaign managers, the technical campaign manager term which you cannot say in a family broadcast beginning with

the word "cluster" was hugely invoked. it's interesting, this is the second one of these too. there was a minor tremor of this with the iowa party before. this was going to be the first caucus where you could vote onto. remember that earlier in the process? they had to shut that down because they didn't think they could execute it. they were worried putin would win or ly an untested system. >> chris matthews, if i had told you that the benchmark poll would be canceled and never published because of inconsistencies f i told you that approaching 1:00 a.m. eastern time, we wouldn't know any results because of inconsistencies in the first in the nation caucus, would you have believed me? >> no, because democracy is our special thing in america. it's what we have. it's what we believe in. it's what holds us together, the ability to hold an election

efficiently and honestly. and, you know, to those of us who love the romance of politics -- and there's a lot of us -- there's the crackle of election night where the winner is clear and the loser is clear and the winner gets to be victorious, and the loser gets to be great and honest and admit they lost. we've lost that tonight. we've lost that drama, that majesty of the american electoral process. we've lost it because of a screwup, and we lost it in florida when they couldn't count the votes when they had the butterfly ballot. i tried it out with my two kids. get it right. this is our specialty, democracy. it should be professional, not a volunteer operation. and i'm telling you it really hurts. somebody will try to back it up and say they did their best and it's nobody's fault, and they'll give out all the trophies. i know all the candidates took the victorious trophy tonight because it was amateur. it was a little league operation tonight. and i'm telling you i got a problem with iowa on this. i got a problem.

if you want it first, do it right. and if you -- i don't think they have another chance at this. my bet is they're going to move it and have a really election out here or not have anything. there's something great about the australian ballot. you go into that booth. nobody is in that booth with you. and you come out having made your own personal decision. and that's your secret. my mom never told dad that she voted for kennedy. she didn't want to, and it was her right to keep it secret. that's the beauty of the elections. secrecy and efficiency and the crackle of election night. get it back, iowa. i think the democratic is going to really be hurt. mike bloomberg is laughing at the democratic party right now. i deal with numbers and communications for a living. i've made billions doing it. i think i could help the party. >> jason johnson, we have to be off the air in about 45 seconds. you can g-- >> no one is going to know. in addition to mike bloomberg laughing, julian castro is

saying, i told you this doesn't make any sense. at the end of the day, here are the texts i'm getting. everyone didn't believe in the process now. other people in the country are like, oh, my gosh, it's a hacking. it's this. that's the attitude. if that's the attitude, then this is more damaging than just not knowing iowa. >> here we go. at the end of another hour, chris hayes takes the baton for the coverage to come. thank you. >> stay with us. ♪

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our ongoing special coverage of the iowa caucuses continues tonight. i am chris hayes. it is 1:00 a.m. on the east coast, not the situation that any of us expected to find ourselves in as we are still awaiting results from the iowa caucus. and i don't mean just the last few outstanding to trickle in. i mean basically oaall of the results from the iowa caucuses. the caucus was the first contest not just then democratic primary season, but the first being cast in this election year 2020. much anticipated all objective metrics showing interest and turn out through the roof. and at this hour we do not have anything really data-wise, results-wise to report to tell

you and that is because there appear to be inconsistencies in the reporting of the data. the iowa democratic party saying they are trying to carry out quality checks before making the data public, but there is some reporting there was a new app made to speed up reporting in iowa which appears to have done the opposite. that may sound familiar to you if you've ever tried to use an app to try to make life easier. i want to play a bit of sound tonight when my colleague rachel maddow spoke with a caucus secretary from iowa. take a listen. >> the app we were told to download just hasn't been working, so in a handbook we were given we were given a hot line to call to report the results, and i've just been on hold pretty much since 8:30 trying to report these results in. >> you've bip on hold for two hours trying to reports the results from your one precinct? >> yes. so they say they'll be with me in the order in which, you know,

i got on hold, and there was a moment where they did connect for like one second about half an hour ago and then i just wasn't responsive quick enough and they hung up on me. so i'm back -- >> so that guy was on hold for two hours trying to report results from his presipgt. this is really kind of a wor worst-case scenario. the iowa democratic caucus says it's simply a reporting issue, not it's a hack or intrusion. and it's important to stress there is a paper and pencil record, this was not a secret ballot. this is the opposite. the data exists. the data in fact was collected very publicly with the utmost transparency meaning people read out the results to a room full of people often with cameras recording or broadcasting. we saw all that on-air, so there is at least in theory there's a checkable record. it's not lost. that said, the damage done is pretty significant both for the

confidence of the democratic party and campaign looks for a bump out of tonight's results. and while we await those results trying to figure out when we're going to get the them the question is what it means for iowa and the future caucuses in that state. and joining me now and hopefully complete his evening on the phone is sean sebastian who we're told has delivered results. >> yeah, i finally got on the line. i got connected at 11:00 p.m. central eastern and i was able to report out my results. and, you know, the caucus process is so complex i had to report out the totals in the first alignment, the second alignment, the delegates and make sure all the math was adding up so actually took me almost 20 minutes to report out the results from just my precinct. so that kind of made sense why i was on hold for so long. >> that's interesting. is this the first time you've done this sort of thing, sean? >> yes, this is the first time

i've been in this role. i've caucused before in 2004 and 2008 but this is the first and last time i will be a caucus secretary. >> so that's an interesting little glimpse into the process. you're saying the actual reporting itself took 20 minutes. >> yeah, almost 20 minutes. it took a while. >> that strikes me as maybe we have located the problem in the same way that rubbernecking on the highway, all it takes is a few extra seconds of each car pausing to say look at an accident to cause a traffic backup. if the normal reporting time of a phone call is a few minutes and this is now taking 15 or 20, that would seem to indicate you would quickly end up at a pretty bad traffic jam. >> that's right, yeah. in the absence of an app or something that actually worked to relay complicated information, this is just how long it took. >> and we should say this year you were reporting more data than normally. i know you haven't done this

before but presumably you were trained as a volunteer. there was more data that had to be reported this year than any previous year, is that correct? >> yeah, i believe so. and at each stage with each of the totals with the first alignment and second alignment we had to report out on the math, and the totals had to add up, and there are obviously different unique things that happen when 300 people gather in an elementary school gymnasium, so kind of note all of those different caveats, it just takes a while. >> all right, sean sebastian, who we've all been watching, america has been watching his journey tonight as he's been on hold for multiple hours attempting to report his results which have now been reporting to the democratic party. sean, thanks for making some time tonight. >> absolutely. thanks for having me.

>> an nbc correspondent who's been covering joe biden's campaign, mike, an interesting letter put out by the biden campaign slightly strange i have to say. this is from the general counsel for the biden campaign saying they read on behalf they're regarding the considerable flaws, that they're frustrated with this. we think the campaigns deserve full explanations regarding the methods of quality control you're employing, an opportunity to respond before any official results are released. we look forward to hearing from you promptly. what are you hearing about this? >> well, chris, some eight hours ago when we really kicked off our coverage here not far from here i told our colleague chuck todd that the biden campaign was either doing an incredible job of lowering expectations or there was genuine concern about what the result was about to be here in iowa. and that concern had less to do about how many delegates was at stake here and where they might fit in the pecking order because

it's a small fraction of the overall number of delegates you need. it has to do with perception. the perception of the former vice president of the united states who entered this race as a front-runner falling short when hays bee's been making an argument about electability. we haven't seen results yet. it's really given the biden campaign an opportunity at the bare minimum what we saw from the candidate himself. he came on stage looking very relieved. he gave an abbreviated version of his sub-speech and also lets them use words like you just said considerable flaws, acute mistakes. in that letter that they put out tonight. and so whatever the result ends up being here, the biden campaign now has the benefit of that result being diluted by this confusion. now, other campaigns are certainly doing their best to try and spin and put out results

that their own teams from across the state are reporting. but for a candidate who has said the likely outcome here was going to be, you know, something of a muddle, a close race between multiple candidates and that this was really a race about who can attract the most votes from across the broadest constituencies of the democratic party, this helps him make that case going forward. >> yeah, we should note if you're just joining us for some deranged reason, and you missed earlier in the evening, you know, a bunch of candidates actually came out in the absence of the official result and said, well, i might as well put my candidate on national television. i think it would be fair to say the note he struck was not a triumphant or victorious one, in contrast to a few other candidates who essentially came out and gave a victory speech as if they'd just been crowned the winner. is that a fair characterization, mike? >> no, absolutely.

that was the reaction in the room that that candidate was preparing for a very difficult night. let's look at this again. biden campaign has been trying to play for the long haul but they're very well aware especially with michael bloomberg looming out there that through fund-raising and questions of the media narrative we're going to follow him, this could have been an a much more harmful impact to his campaign than the results himself. and he came out here certainly relieved. he's been spending all night with his family. we believe he's on his way to new hampshire shortly, and he'll be able to go forward now and make his case to new hampshire voters but also continue to look forward in this campaign. >> before we go to our next reporter i just want to play a little bit so, folks, if you missed joe biden's speech earlier to give you a flavor of that, this is joe biden addressing supporters about an hour and a half, two hours ago. take a listen. >> well, the iowa democratic party is working to get this result and get them straight. and i want to make sure they're very careful in deliberations.

and eindications are, from our indications it's going to be close. we're going to walk out of here with our share of delegates. we don't know exactly what it is yet but we feel good where we are. so its onto new hampshire, nevada, south carolina, well-beyond. we're in this for the long haul. >> that was joe biden and for a little sense of comparison, sanders came out and gave a speech that elizabeth warren and pete buttigieg the three of them gave somewhat speeches that felt like big rally victory speeches. we don't know the results, but that's the tenor of their speech. take a listen to what sanders had to say a little while ago. joining me now from the bernie sanders hq -- we'll play that clip for you in a second. shaquille, what is the mood there like? do you have any sense whether the sanders campaign itself has

insight into what the actual numbers are? presumably they have their own app, they have people reporting from precincts. do you get a sense they know what the numbers are roughly? >> you make a great point there. this is campaign that has touted its ground game and because of that there's some news and dprifb me for looking down here but we're expecting a statement from the senators campaign any minute now. they'll be releasing their internal numbers essentially showing us what data they have. this is unverified and their own internal data. of course the party has wrapped up here. the crowd is leaving and dispersing at this point, but something you saw -- or you saw an interesting scene here where you saw senator sanders come out very quickly, very abruptly, give his speech. that was essentially a victory speech. a campaign aide told me it was a victory speech, a speech they prepared with slight

modifications and then you had the speakers who would normally speak before the candidate, they then came out and spoke after. they were initially saying senator sanders would still come out if those results came out from it democratic iowa party but those results never came and after an hour or so they said they were going to wait for the results. but the campaign is still saying we don't have any updates yet but the campaign is saying any minute now they will release a statement detailing their own results that they had from all the different precincts across the state. >> we might be checking back with you again if we get that statement. i want to play that clip of sanders, again, a little bit of weird galesmanship tonight as people had to decide if they were going to come out and make a speech and also reading between the lines. they have a picture, a little

bit of a picture. this was sanders' speech. take a listen. >> at some point the results will be announced, and when those results are announced i have a good feeling we're going to be very, very well here in iowa. >> i want to go to you quickly, david and we're going to talk to the folks in the panel. but quickly before i lose those reporters who have standing now for hours at their live shots, the campaigns do have a little bit more insight what the campaigns look like at this point, don't you think? >> sure, they're getting reports. it's not going to be comprehensive probably but this does speak to strength of organization. so they have a sense. so i think at some point maybe soon, maybe within the hour we'll know what the results are. i think the question is what does it mean going forward?

traditionally iowa was less about the aczusition of delegates. if it's mayor pete or sanders if they read between the lines that seems that's what those campaigns think they may not get the traditional balance. i think that'll be interesting. they'll all be in new hampshire trying to recapture that momentum but i think it's going to be undermuted. >> the underperformance i know political folks like to spin but eventually we'll know the numbers. you know what i mean? like, if there's some bad number out there for one of these campaigns, a particularly disappointing number presumably we will get that information and that would have the effect it would have. >> right, but it's much different having to give that speech where the numbers are on everybody's tv screen or phone who came in fourth or fifth as opposed to hey we did well -- >> speaking of getting some delegates nbc's -- barrett has

been covering the campaign. what are you hearing? >> reporter: so we're here at the klobuchar hq where senator can klobuchar came out a few hours ago and now they're physically breaking down the stage and so basically the latest i'm hearing is the iowa delegates held a conference call with campaigns in the last hour or so to give them a status update what the results reporting were going to look like and what the issues were. as you said at the top of the hour there were some inconsistencies with the numbers we've been getting or the iowa dems have been getting. the first alignment and second alignment numbers and then the state delegate equivalence which determines who wins the iowa caucuses, and they're basically saying these numbers weren't matching up. rather than going through the reporting they had on the caucus app which had some serious issues and these caucus chairs

were calling in and waiting for like half an hour or two hours, they're waiting and figuring out a way to get this backup information on. they're not paper ballots. they're called presidential preference cards here but they're kind of looking through the paper trail to figure out what the exact discrepancies might be. on that conference call democrats held with various campaigns here in iowa and basically gave a status update. they opened the floor for questions and as the campaigns started getting heated they hung up the call. so campaigns are feeling very frustrated right now because like you said we had cameras at various caucus locations. people are tweeting them out, reading them out, so we have somewhat of a sense but nothing is slotabsolutely verified. senator klobuchar's numbers their reporting show biden is

with them if not behind their results. they're eager to head over to new hampshire to start the marathon that is the 2020 election. >> control room if we can pull up that tweet from klobuchar's campaign manager. we're now in an informational vacuum in which it behooves campaigns to release their own information that is the most advantageous to the story they want to tell so everyone take this with a grain of salt. but big night in iowa with the numbers we've seenternally or publicly, we're running even or ahead of vice president biden. wheels up in nuchl. it's the first campaign that's made any pronouncement what their numbers seem to indicate. with warren's campaign on the way to new hampshire right now she joins me on the phone. what is the warren campaign

saying about what happened tonight, how they view it and where they see themselves? >> chris, first we're joining you by phone because all the candidates get on planes and go to new hampshire immediately after the iowa caucus. we're actually pulling into the airport right now to get on a plane and fly. but their campaign before we left the hq tonight said her campaign manager came out and said the results per their data are close. they're saying it's a tight race in the top three between warren, sanders and buttigieg and they say that biden to them is in a distant fourth. they haven't heard about any further calls with the iowa democratic party but they hope there's going to be more and there's one other note here they say every second that passes, the iowa process is undermined just a little bit further. so just pulling back from this a little bit, if you thought voters were confused before tonight, imagine how confused

everyone's going to be when they wake up tomorrow morning? this is just another instance, though, there were a lot of expectations down-played about how elizabeth warren needed to win here. a lot of people on her campaign saying this wasn't crucial to her success. this is where they longer term ground game comes into play. they were in this for a protracted primary to begin with. and i don't know if tonight's results are any sense it's pretty muddled as it is, this could be a long one even just how it started tonight, chris. >> traveling with the warren campaign, thank you. we should say of all the candidates to come out tonight and again claim some form of victory or some form of well, we were here, now we won't be, pete buttigieg i think had the most unambiguous victory speech. it felt like a speech written in anticipation of a victory given nonetheless. and joining us now from buttigieg hq is von hilliard. were you struck by the kind of

surety, the soaring victory address that mayor buttigieg gave? >> reporter: no, chris, because if you look from the information we are able to gather and largely that's the entrance polls and what we're hearing back from precincts and from counties around the state is that the buttigieg campaign feels very good. when you're looking at those entrance polls not only is he in second but he was essentially tied with joe biden with voters over the age of 45. you also looked it appeared to be a ground swell of support from the more moderate independents based off those entrance polls and this campaign said he was viable in 85% of the precincts that they got reports back from. this is a candidate to put into perspective here that invested millions of dollars. they had 180 staffers on the ground and not just for the buttigieg campaign, chris, but for all of these campaign. they've invested millions of

dollars. they've been on the road for more than a year here. pete buttigieg essentially needed the state of iowa here. he needed to be able to give that victory speech here live. he needed to be able to tell the country he could win the midwest come november here in iowa. because of the results being held by the iowa democratic party it was midnight eastern time that pete buttigieg ultimately gave that speech. andads you said he said by all accounts we're going to new hampshire victorious, but it doesn't have the same tenor to it. they've been waiting, chris. the south bend mayor, a year for this moment tonight. and frankly he's now getting onto a plane to go to new hampshire unable to really claim the victory that they've been waiting to hopefully get to the point of doing over the course of an entire year. >> it's a very good point. it's a very different speech when the numbers are up there. joining me now on more of what we've learned and not learned.

i mean, to take a step back from a second here to me is the grand irony and here's my theory on what's happened tonight. it's always been the case you report the people showing up and report the delegate equivalence at the end of it. that's the output of the math. this year because of a desire in the dnc for massive and radical transparency they were going to report two new numbers which were intermediary steps. the first alignment and after people didn't reach the threshold and recaucus a second alignment. so we've got a much more complicated process to report. and i also think it's possible a lot of these sheet maths didn't work and tonight was the first time it's getting flagged because all the numbers are being reported.

it seems to be possible that transparency itself probably surfaced errors that were there in the past that are probably popping up tonight. >> i think that's why that reform surfaced in the first place becausethrust a sense problems were there and we didn't know about it. and i think that what we're seeing tonight. >> we also have this question of turn out, which i'm really curious about thoughts of turn out. to me one of the bench marks we're going to look at tonight, 239,000 in the famous 2008 election, 170,000 more or less in 2016. there were some expectations it would be 2008 numbers. nathalia, what is your reaction to that number? >> i wanted to start by saying i shared an office with sebastian. i also know him to be an incredibly patient human being and today his patience was tested. i think that just thinking about specifically the latino

community in iowa, 240,000 folks and i think the bernie sanders campaign really has gone in deep with that community. and if he comes out a win tonight it's going to be because of those folks. >> but what do you make of the number -- i don't know what the right bench mark for that number is. 2008 was a very strange year. you had hillary clinton, barack obama these remarkable circles and you had john edwards and on january 3rd which was a holiday week. a lot of people were around. what do you make of the turn out number in context? >> well, i was surprised because across the country we've been projecting that the turn out was going to be even higher across the board, and i worry about that. and interestingly bernie sanders was -- his campaign was saying early on if we get, you know, a huge turn out, then that bodes in our favor. well, it may turn out he didn't

need a huge turn out and it still worked in his favor. >> david made the point the victor coming out of this is not going to get the bump. i do think there is a chance for the loser to actually sustain the negative momentum. because with the loser and we already have two campaigns already placed joe biden around fourth or fifth. and there's going to be two other campaigns going to place him there. you've got all the campaigns going to be talking about how joe biden suffered a massive defeat. >> we don't know if they're right we should say. >> we don't know if they're right, but that is unique dynamic. it is one thing for there to be some type of we don't know how large the victor won by, there's a lot of confusion. but the definitiveness of that loss could be huge. and remember it's true if he was, you know, in contention in new hampshire that the delay might hurt him. but the fact is that tomorrow night we have the "state of the

union," the next day we're going to have the impeachment vote. this is going to elongate the story from iowa in a way it wouldn't have before. and if we find out on thursday that somebody came into fifth, he's got to be worried about south carolina and really more so than new hampshire. >> i would just say on turn out, first of all, big if. >> yeah, we don't know. >> but if it is about what it was in '16, a, it would be surprising. hillary clinton in '08 was much more of a superstar than she was in '16. obama was, and edwards was so you had three. but this is much bigger field with a lot more money and technology, so it would be surprising. a couple of other things i don't want to overstate this but i think donald trump is going to drive huge turn out in battleground states. we've got to watch that going forward. and then i think the conventional wisdom was bernie sanders said if it's big i'm going to win. and if wasn't big joe biden would do quite well.

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we still don't have numbers out of iowa, but i want to go back to bernie sanders headquarters. >> we heard that victorious tone from senator sanders on stage earlier this evening and now they're backing it up and giving us a hint why they're so confident. his campaign manager back in 2016 is releasing a statement now and also releasing inkrnl campaign data unverified and partial. i'm going to read that statement for you right now. they say we recognize this does not replace the full data from the iowa democratic party, but we believe firmly that our supporters worked too hard for too long to have the results of that work delayed. so they are releasing 40% of the precincts, the data they have for 40% of the precincts in iowa, just about 87,000 people. that is not what we expect of the full picture. that is the internal data, the

partial internal data, and it just shows you the vacuum created when the iowa democratic party is not releasing their own data. these campaigns are now taking it upon themselves to retleleas their own. >> they say these are from representative all four congressional districts across parts of the state. legal investigator cynthia mcfadden has been looking into what happened tonight. what did happen tonight, cynthia? >> well, it's hard to know precisely. i would start with this at least there's a paper record of what happened tonight so at some point it can be known and known accurately, so that's important. let's talk about the app. the app was sent out to the precinct chair people we understand our reporting tells us about seven days ago but when many of them went to download it apparently they were receiving warnings on their phone that said this type of file can harm

your phone do you want to continue? we know that as of 5:30 tonight at least 12 party heavyweights were not able to log into their apps or not able to download them at all. so certainly that sounds like it may have caused a few problems. the app, we had been investigating this app for a few weeks now. the democratic party of iowa wouldn't tell us who developed it, but i can tell you in the last hour our tech reporter was able to figure it out. and here's who it is. the iowa and nevada democrats parties paid over $50,000, both of them for the same app developer called shadow. we have the expenditure filing records. i can tell you this about shadow. their website says we are campaign and technology veterans who have built and implemented technology for hillary for america, obama for america, google, apple, and the dnc. so that tells you a little bit

about who developed it. why the iowa democrats didn't want to tell us that, we don't know. we also don't know if they did any testing on this thing to see if it was safe. remember this the party heavyweights were supposed to download the app to their personal cellphones. so already they're saying nah, that doesn't sound so safe. so that's just some of the app situation here. and we've been hearing throughout the night that that drove people to the phones, and you know the story. sometimes 30, 40 minutes or two hour waits to get through on the phone. and many of the precinct leaders said we give up, we're going to wait until tomorrow. so maybe tomorrow, maybe. >> cynthia, last question. is it correct that nevada is currently slated to use this app for its caucuses? >> they paid money to get this -- to the same company. whether it's the exact same app i don't know. i would guess by the time nevada votes it won't be the exact same

app. >> probably make some changes there. i want to go to des moines right now. we got two reporters who saw tonight's events up close. gabriel -- and charlie pierce. i think you've covered these before as charlie did. in the room at least in the dealing did it feel different? >> it felt different in that everybody knew first off there were going to be so many different reports tonight so people were really focusing on making sure they were representing well on the first alignment, the second alignment. so lot of people were trying to win people over from the very start. but the big difference of course is there were so many candidates and we don't usually see that. really only two were going to go for viability. so there was just a lot of craziness in that sense. and the other part of this we didn't know what the turn out was going to be like. we thought there was going to be massive turn out that would rival 2008.

obviously we don't yet know what the final turn out was, but it's looking a lot more like the 2016 numbers which were a lot of people but not quite a record number. >> charlie, gabe makes a good point there which the math gets a lot more difficult the more candidates you have. if you've got two candidates running if one of them doesn't get viability basically that's the end of your day. if you've got nine and three of them are viable and six aren't, that's going to be a longer process. >> well, not only that but there's a lot of problems with the process. i went to a very small caucus up at the settlement up in tama county, there were 90 people there sw and they hadn't been sent all the paperwork they needed from the iowa democratic caucus. so this thing was a dog's breakfast from the start. however, that caucus went off like a swift watch but i got in

the car and listened to the radio and everything went to hell in a hand basket. >> we should be clear the republicans don't do it this way. the republican caucuses much more like a primary vote than this complicated system. there's been a lot of critiques of iowa because of the demographics of the state and also because of the complexities of this. people have to gefo for three hours. what do you think this does tonight to the sftatus of this? >> listen, there are two parts. in 2012 on the republican side we had something similar going on and it took a long time to set that up or sort that out. in 2016 it took a long time to find out if hillary clinton or bernie sanders won. listen, i've been talking to a lot of influential iowans in the state, iowaen democrats in the state the last few months, and

they've been really worried. not because they thought something like this was going to help, but if there was some sort of muddle and it wasn't a clear result, people would start to say in the national party why would iowa go first and fits not going to set us on a path we actually like here. tonight, this is disaster if you're trying to think of the continuity of the iowa caucus itself. >> what do you think, charlie? >> i think it's the end of this thing. caucuses in general are not democratic. they're is not a great place to start your presidential nominating process. and i think this is just -- this is the death bell. if it's not the death bell someone should get fired. >> thank you both. we will have much more on the state of play in this very, very strange first night of the american election of 2020. don't go anywhere. 2020. don't go anywhere. at's importan. saving for ava's college.

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all right woosh we are back. we still have no results from iowa. we have no communication really officially from the iowa democratic party. there's been some reporting about the app at the center of of this which appears to have been developed by a company called shadow that's associated with another company called acronym. i know you've worked with acronym and i've seen some reporting and sort of walked through the connections. i want to ask you if you have anything to do with this app, if you know about it. >> i didn't know about it. i'm helping acronym, a volunteer on their board. it's a digital firm that works on digital advertising, puts out a newsletter every week about what's happening in the presidential race. my understanding i just texted the ceo acronym is an investor in shadow. i have no knowledge of shadow --

>> so you weren't sitting up there the whole time i actually developed this. >> no, i didn't know if it was microsoft or who it was not to throw them under the bus. >> we're going to find out more about this and also basically i would like to get a more definitive sense of what happened tonight. we're talking about the app and it's unclear in a comprehensive sense what went wrong. hopefully we'll get that. i want to also note earlier andrew yang who is a candidate in iowa spoke at a caucus site in des moines and here's what he had to say. >> hello, des moines. hello, iowa. thank you so much. you all are incredible. also want to say a special thank you to my wife evelyn yang for

being such an incredible part of it and i love you so much, baby. whoo! what a night here in iowa. thank you all so much for the hard work and dedication you put into making tonight a tremendous night for the yang gang and this campaign. and this is great time to actually pause for reflection on how far we've come. we declared over two years ago, over 30 people ended up jumping into the race. remember that first debate stage there were 20 candidates, they had to break it up into two nights? and i'm going right from here to new hampshire where i will be one of seven candidates on the debate stage. so many of you dropped everything and came here to iowa

to fight for this campaign. raise your hand if you're here from out-of-state and came here? let's give them a round of applause, let's give you a round of applause. look at this. that's humanity first. that is what has made this campaign the political force of nature that no one saw coming. we've raised tens of millions of dollars from almost half a million americans in increments of only $30 each. and that is because people have made this case to other people at every step of the way. and tonight what happened? we saw that tens of thousands of iowans around the state realized that the economy is transforming around them in profound ways. i've seen it myself. it's gone from the farms to the factories to the main streets

and eventually we'll hit the highways. this is what we have to turn around, yang gang. we have to actually make an economy that works for us instead of the bottom lines of these huge companies. just saying it's all about our bottom line because we all hear about their record profits, you know what else has record highs in the united states of america right now? stress, anxiety, drug overdoses, suicides, depression, student loan debt, medical bankruptcies. if your corporate profits are going up and your very life expectancy is going down, which do you listen to? that's right. it's our lives, yang gang. it's our lives, america. we have to start measuring how we're doing by how we are doing and not how these giant companies are doing. because the two are no longer

lining up. if anything they're heading in opposite directions more and more. and that is what this campaign can change. this campaign can make our country's bottom line our family's bottom line, our kids' bottom line, our town's bottom line. because you look around and you see that our current economy does not reward the kind of work that evelyn and stay at home parents do every single day. it doesn't recognize and reward the kind of work that caregivers like carl crihristianson, a sine mom does every day, volunteers, activists, artists, people trying to make the communities stronger. all of these are getting zeroed out one by one by one. our very democracy and getting zeroed out because in this country today we feel money on one side and people on the other. it's the money that wins. and this campaign is about

turning that around. this campaign is about saying the best way we can solve our own problems is by putting economic resources into our hands, the peoples hands, that we know how to improve our lives better than any other government program. that message rang loud and clear here in iowa tonight thanks to each and every one of you, and now we're going to take that message to new hampshire and the rest of the country. i've got to say i'm a numbers guy. we're still waiting on numbers from tonight. we're all looking around being like what's the math, what's the math? and this is one of those situations where we can essentially just throw some algebra letters up on the wall and be like i guess we'll project onto these letters for now what the numbers are going to be. but the math that i care most about is the fact that this

movement has become something that has already shocked the political world, and it's going to keep ongoing from here. it's going to keep on growing from here. you know what's fun is when some of the other campaigns hold a fund raiser, they get together in a fancy place, they put on their nice duds, they come together, they say expensive words, they think expensive thoughts. you know the way the yang gang has a fund-raiser, we're going to have a fund-raiser right now. what we're saying is yang gang, if you want to keep this movement going through new hampshire chip in $5, $10, $20, $30 tonight and show this campaign is going to grow and grow all the way to the white house. we have shocked the world time and time again yang gang. are we done yet?

>> no! >> no, we're going to go to new hampshire. i'm going to be in the cnn town hall on the big stage on friday. the vote is going to start at 11:00 and then they're going to see this campaign has just begun and it is going to go all the way. thank you, iowa. >> that is andrew yang out there on the stage with his wife evelyn yang speaking earlier tonight to his supporters coming on the stage to return of the mack which has really pinpointed at people of my age demographic, right in the zone. again, it's hard to kind of -- you know, normally at this time of night we'll hear what the numbers are and what does this mean and we'll look at the entrance polls. we don't have any that. i think we have a rough sense of who feels they did well and who did not do well. in that i would say the klobuchar campaign was the first

to come out which says two things. if you thought you won, you hold on until maybe later in the night. but they also think they did well and i'm curious what do you see as her trajectory. >> i think she was the surprise in the night at least in the extent we now know -- >> to the extent we know anyidaany data. >> right but i think she feels that way and propels her into new hampshire in a way. tonight could have been the end for her but she came off strong energy, raises a ton of money, goes back into the states. we all thought her campaign would be dead in the water with th the impeachment hearings because she was the one candidate who hadn't built it out yet. >> i think tonight this question of built for the long run, not

built for the long run becomes a huge question. like the apparatus you have, the staff you have, the number of states you're in and the number coming in in your burn rate, given we've taken away this thing people are counting on. people are going to cast their vote and there's going to be some bump and swoon. now you're looking at what the the organization you've built, how big is it and how you can sustain it. >> if klobuchar is the story she's got resilience going into new hampshire i think that necessarily means it's a story of serious problem for joe biden. >> i think they're a little zero-sum at this point. >> but the other meta story has to do with this app. and i think to a certain extent part of what we're seeing not just in the democratic party, across society is the failure of the institutions that we support and look to for just a basic level of confidence, to be corrupted i mean we're talking about a series of contracts. you know, we have organizations that are tied to the democratic party that have subsidiaries

here and paying off people here and they're failing. they're failing at literally the one job they had, which is count the votes. and i think this plays into the narrative of some of those candidates who are talking about corruption, who are talking about in broad strokes the problem of our society where merit and frankly this hurts biden, too, because that is part of the story there. it's not corruption in the sense it's illegal, but it's a question of like this ma meritocracy, why is it just anyone else who doesn't have an inside track, why do they have to play by those rules but anybody else? >> everyone in politics is telling you like trust us, we know what we're doing here, we got this. that gets a little harder to swallow after tonight, david? i don't think tom perez is an enviable position. i think he's largely worked in

good faith on this. but to the degree you have messages coming from official parts of the party after tonight their communication gets harder. >> there were a lot of more caucuses in 2008, so you've already seen a move from caucuses in the primary. i'd be surprised if that doesn't accelerate going forward, number one. number two i think back to the race what's going to be interesting to me is, you know, candidates in new hampshire, how much of them -- how many of them are talking about what's happening in iowa versus not? but the truth is reality still will be so some people might have gotten a little bit of reprieve match they get eight more days to go to new hampshire not having performed poorly, but ware going to gelt votes in new hampshire and i think you've just staved that off for some people. but for amy klobuchar she's got to finish ahead of biden in new hampshire. i would even argue ahead of mayor pete butte the gauntlet is so punishing. >> right. >> as you get into nevada, south carolina, march i mean the

money, the organization, the nature of campaign -- i can't tell you how different that race is than the one we just went through in iowa. >> and particularly this is where small donor, large donor really makes a huge difference for candidates running largely on small donor campaigns there's enthusiasm they need to chemobringing that money in the door. but when you have a big donor base that also provides a kind of runway you may not have if you have a momentum based fund-raiser model. >> i think just going back to what sam was saying i think if this was a dress rehearsal we're not ready for the big time in november. >> i think that's a fair declaration. >> i'm hoping across the country every sort of voting system in every county in every city is paying attention to this. and to the question of, you know, small donors i think that the sanders campaign, thinking about the folks that are in here for the long trajectory, i think they're going to come out of this still having the momentum.

but i think the point -- pete needed this moment and he did not get this moment. amy needed this moment. >> i think like i said before if it turns out buttigieg is the actual sort absolute numbers winner tonight, that's a tough break. because, again, sanders is built for the long run. sanders was seen as coming one or two. there was no huge momentum expectation unless he really underperformed. you could see from the speech pete buttigieg gave tonight and the play they have said this very clearly the strategy alla obama in 2008 was give a look at some voters that hadn't given a second look. thank you for staying up with me so late. we still don't have results out of iowa at this hour but stay

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11:00 at night. rachel is usually home. i'm just coming on the hour normally. these are not normal times. that would be pete buttigieg's headquarters. vaughn hillyard is our correspondent there to answer the question. it's 11:00 eastern time, vaughn. where are the results from the iowa caucuses? >> reporter: and better yet, when are the planes taking off from des moines to head to new hampshire. they're going to get to new