caucuses in 2008, he said, this day would never come. that was hours ago at this point. we're at the point right now we don't know if we're going to start getting results in a few minutes f. there's a winner declared in this thing overnight, do you lose some of that value as well that comes with the prime time audience watching you declared the winner and getting to speak to the country. one other thing, what we have been told by the state party here -- again, you read that statement saying they've gotten 25% of these precincts in. one difference is in the past when they've gotten 25% of the precincts in, they've reported out the 25% of the precincts. 11:00 at night. at this point in 2015, 95% or so rachel is usually home. of the vote was already counted. i'm just coming on the hour we were getting incremental normally. these are not normal times. that would be pete buttigieg's headquarters. updates, zero, 5, 20, 30. vaughn hillyard is our correspondent there to answer at this point we're being told the question. by this statement that there's a quarter of the voters, so a it's 11:00 eastern time, vaughn. quarter of the precincts that where are the results from the are there, but they're not iowa caucuses? releasing any of it, so that part is unusual as well. >> reporter: and better yet, the other thing they said, you mentioned this, the turnout from when are the planes taking off from des moines to head to new hampshire. that statement saying it's level with 2015. they're going to get to new hampshire before sunrise goes up but you're not going to see here's turnout in the last four

these candidates, including pete buttigieg, take this stage until iowa democrats. these results come in. 2016 would put you at about 170,000. because thee results are particularly paramount for pete that's significant because the buttigieg. high watermark was 2008. you have a candidate who has the obama year we were talking essentially hinged his candidacy on winning the midwest against about, that was at 240,000 in donald trump next november. 2008. there was a lot of expectation and that chance to do that is right here in this state. when you look at the midterm turnout, when you look at the democratic participation in now, what we are looking at, all we can work off of right now are special elections for the last couple years, so many of those those entrance polling numbers. here. that is why the buttigieg campaign is looking at these the high democratic voter interest level that we'd seen in numbers eagerly, waiting for these results because there's so many elections since donald two numbers particularly. trump became president, i think look among younger voters. there was an expectation coming yes, bernie sanders has about in that the number would be half the support among voters closer to that 240, maybe even under the age of 44. above it, so that 2016 was a bit but who is second? of a surprise. pete buttigieg. then when you look at older this was john kerry, 2004. voters, voters over the age of 44, 25% of support goes to joe biden. those other three give you a but just one point behind, this little perspective on that estimate. is voters over the age of 44, is but that's an estimate from the state party. we have not seen the returns pete buttigieg with 24%. from across the state right now, the other number that i want to so we will see what the numbers point out there from those actually look like if and when entrance polls from nbc right we get them. now is when you're looking at >> steve, can i ask you a self-described independents who follow-up question to something decided to come out and caucus, you just raised, which is you'll recall here over the last whether or not the delay in

three weeks as pete buttigieg has held more than 50 events these results may ultimately across iowa from the big cities affect the impact of the results. through the rural communities, he has contended he could bring i'm thinking about the 2012 independents and republicans in republican iowa caucuses where november to help him beat donald the first winner was mitt romney trump here in iowa, a state that and then three days later it was went for trump by ten percentage rick santorum, and then in the points just four years ago. end ultimately it was ron paul so that's why when you look at who got the most delegates. those entrance polls, among i still don't know who won iowa independents, self-described in 2012. independents, bernie sanders is at 33%. did that affect the trajectory of that race? but four years ago, bernie >> it did. sanders had 69%. think about the specific order of what happened on the but pete buttigieg is just republican side in 2012. as you mentioned, on the night barely behind bernie sanders, of the caucuses, romney, i think which suggests that there was an the total was eight votes, something like that. increase in more moderate he was declared the winner. independents that turned out new hampshire came right after that. into this race. romney won new hampshire easily. whether it's enough in these they went down to south areas is the question. carolina. i should note a buttigieg aide romney was looking at winning south carolina and putting that just told me that they were race away. looking at particularly the and then what happened? suburbs. they said they were viable in in that final pre-south carolina debate, newt gingrich went after more than 90% of suburbs, and the moderator. when they were looking at these he started taking off in the polls. rural counties, they surpassed their expectation numbers in these areas. then on the eve of the south carolina republican primary in of course, this is premature. 2012, they announced, oh, we we need to wait for those results for the iowa democratic actually had a tabulation error in iowa. party, but at least from the the winner was not mitt romney. buttigieg camp right now, it was rick santorum.

they're looking at these entrance poll numbers and what so romney, who was already word they're getting back from falling in the polls while these more than 1,700 precincts gingrich was surging had to endure a story that, oh, by the and their precinct captains and way, he lost iowa. organizers in these areas and they're looking at these numbers very positively. we should know that's exactly what pete buttigieg needs to go romney instead of opening two of make the case beyond iowa the first three, lost two of the first three. because when you're looking at his numbers in nevada and south he ended up surviving but that's carolina, he's still polling in what happened then. the example that comes to mind single digits, and that is why the buttigieg campaign has long on the democratic side, the last contended once voters believe time we saw this, we saw this in that he has a chance to actually win the nomination, they'll turn to him. 2016 obviously where overnight 2 if he can pull off an iowa looked like hillary clinton was victory tonight, that will be going to win and the next day put to the test. she was declaired the winner. the only other example, back to >> we're watching the risers fill in behind the podium where mayor buttigieg will eventually 1988, at this point in 1988, speak. there was no winner declared on i want to ask if it's clear from the democratic side. it was a tight race between richard gephardt and paul simon. your reporting and the way you've watched this campaign they went on the "today" show in the morning. they said it looks like gephardt operating whether they had an is winning but we can't put the check mark there. overt operation plan for caucus-goers realigning? what that allowed doing was gephardt to keep going, allowed we've seen a lot of live simon to keep going, and it was coverage of various caucuses tonight where there were surprises about which candidates a disorderly democratic race were not viable, didn't hit the that went on for some time.

threshold in the first vote, and part of the reason that race went on for some time in 1988 is then they had to re-allocate and decide who else they were going to go to. iowa usually winnows the field and clarifies the field didn't did the buttigieg campaign have really perform that function that overtly planned out in because ultimately they said terms of how their supporters gephardt won, but it wasn't a would handle that either with him not being viable in the win like we've been describing where you give that big speech first count or him lobbying for and everybody puts the check mark next to your name. these supporters of non-viable candidates in the second round? >> in this case we don't know >> reporter: rachel, what this what's going to happen tonight. campaign did give pete buttigieg we don't know what's going to happen in the next few minutes and we don't know how iowa is is an operation that could win going to fit into the larger this state. they have said there's 1,678 stack of these primaries. precincts around this state, and i will say i think we're they have a precinct organizer, expecting if not a muddle, at and every single one of them -- least a little bit of a black for instance, shelly thornton, i box in the democratic primary should note i met shelly thornton. because even after the four she's an independent voter who had long voted republican. early states, even if one i met her while christmas candidate sweeps all of them, shopping back before this last heading into super tuesday, here christmas here, and we stayed in touch. she told me at the time the only comes the money monster mike individual she would vote for bloomberg with however many over donald trump would be pete billions to spend, having not buttigieg. competed in the early four, who well, guess who that campaign enlisted to be a precinct becomes a whole big new question captain in her town of mark in terms of how democratic voters are going to respond to jefferson, a place of 4,000 in him as of one month from green county, a place that went by 25 percentage points for tonight, super tuesday, with the donald trump. early states behind them.

they enlisted shelly thornt be, that independent. >> david plouffe, look at what's happening. amy klobuchar has chosen to take she said she is actively advantage of free television time and come out and say organizing her neighbors there. something. peg rainy was one of these we've also been told multiple individuals who said initially she was going to go for amy sources, there there's a klobuchar in that very precinct. conference call under way she said she was prepared to between the heads of all the respective campaigns and the democratic party in iowa. turn to buttigieg if klobuchar did not meet viable. >> you probably heard we don't know the results. so this campaign were able to but i did not want to let put in 180 staffers on the another minute go by without ground here and essentially thanking all of you. built up a robust operation. if a year ago anybody had said the mayor of south bend, we know there's delays but we indiana, would have you contend know one thing. the best organization in the state, it would turn your head. we are punching above our waist. it will be interesting to see -- weight. my heart is full tonight, one, once we get those round numbers because i have my great chair here. and ultimately that second round thank you, andy mcguire. if it will put buttigieg over the edge. two, because i have this >> we await comments from the fantastic staff that has been mayor. with us all the time. vaughn, thank you so much. we know we'll be checking back in with you. and, three, because my husband in terms of when these and daughter are here with me tonight.

candidates speak tonight, it is a good sign if you're waiting and i want to thank them. for pete buttigieg to speak that they have filled in the risers behind him. i want to thank our tireless >> late for those kids. field organizers, the >> late for those kids. we are still waiting for unstoppable volunteers who would results. we did get a statement moments never give up, and we are ago from the iowa democratic feeling so good tonight. party saying the integrity of and i cannot wait. the results is paramount and the somehow, some way, i'm going to delay in the results, they say, get on a plane tonight to new is due to quality checks and the hampshire. fact that they are newly reporting out three data sets for the first time. we are bringing this ticket to i should tell you a little new hampshire. behind the scenes peek here, the reason we got that statement so even in a crowded field of from the communications director of the iowa democratic party is candidates, even during the well because maura barrett, who is at earned impeachment hearing of the amy klobuchar headquarters donald j. trump, which kept me in des moines, iowa, tonight was bolted to my senate desk for the able to score that for us, for which we are very much grateful. last two weeks, we kept fighting. i want to bring more into the conversation now from klobuchar headquarters. and you kept fighting for me. maura, first of all, thank you. you gave us our first iowa democratic party information that we had to give out. we have started in a blizzard, and second of all, tell us what's going on at klobuchar headquarters there. and a lot of people didn't predict i'd finish that speech. they were like, how could she do it? >> reporter: hey, rachel. then in the summer, they kept so here in downtown des moines, saying is she going to make it

klobuchar supporters are filing through the summer. in. they've got their green t shirts on. and then debate after debate they're very excited to see the senator speak. after debate, and all i can say we haven't heard from a lot of is we are here and we are the candidates here tonight strong. because they don't have the [ cheers and applause ] results yet. in addition to that statement you gave a peek to, the iowa and with that same grit that got democrats are telling me there are 25% of precincts currently us through that blizzard, we are now ready to head to new reported that they haven't been hampshire. polled out yet because they're doing a quality control check. there's a new app they're using and my friends here in iowa, you know we have beaten the odds this year widely across the every step of the way. state, that many were able to we have done it on the merits. send in results immediately. but that doesn't mean those we have done it with ideas, and results come immediately to the we have done it with hard work website. because -- the iowa democrats have to comb [ inaudible ]. >> thank you. through them and make sure that trends match from past year. they tell us it's on track to match what happened in 2016. we know in our hearts in a democracy is not about the biggest bank act. we're not sure of any technological issues because it is about the best idea and earlier today we reported that some caucus chairs were having issues downloading these apps the person who can turn those ideas into action. and some login issues. we know that our party can't win

i do think it's important to big by trying to outdivide the divider in chief. note obviously these caucus chairs are volunteers. we know that we win by bringing they're not paid by the iowa democrats. that easy are people that take people with us instead of shutting them out. the time on their monday night in early february to run these donald trump's worst nightmare caucuses all on their own time. is that the people in the so they had the opportunity to middle, the people who have had be trained on this app, but this is something that's newer for a enough of the name-calling and lot of people. the mudslinging have a candidate so that might have been contributing to some of the hiccups here. to vote for in november. but we don't have all the donald trump's worst nightmare details yet, exactly why there's this long of a delay. is that our fired up democrats chuck todd noted earlier today will march to victory alongside at this time in 2016, we had most of the precinct results a big coalition of independents here. so people are feeling very and moderate republicans that anxious. see this election just as we do, campaigns are feeling very anxious because they're not getting any guidance from the iowa dems as well. that this election is, yes, an economic check, but it also is a >> maura barrett as klobuchar headquarters, thank you. patriotic check. again, thank you for getting it is a decency check. that statement from the iowa democratic party. it is a simple idea. i wonder if the app was a it's a simple idea that the problem in this sense. heart of america is so much if they thought that precinct chairs would be able to use the bigger than the heart of this guy in the white house. [ cheers and applause ] app to upload the information that would then seamlessly

integrate with all of the other information from the state and therefore they didn't have to put too many people working on our country cannot take another that part of the process because four years of donald trump h. the app would do it, when precinct chairs either elected our collective sense of decency not to use the app or had can't take another four years. trouble with it and instead went the rule of law can't withstand back to the fallback position another four years of a and called in the results like they are used to doing, they did president that thinks he's above it. not have the infrastructure in place to take as many calls and our democracy cannot tolerate to get that information via another four years of a phone the way they did in the past because they thought some president who wants to bulldoze of that work might have been right through it. done by the app. >> yeah, i think that's reasonable. i think that makes a lot of sense. the american dream cannot take another four years of a president who thinks he can and the question that i'm choose who gets it. sitting here wondering, did they have training? did they actually, you know, get his playbook is not hard to understand. people used to manipulating and using just in a sort of trial sense? it is really three words -- divide and demoralize. here, let's use some of the data well, i have a playbook that's from the 2016 election and put that in and see how you guys can three words -- unite and lead. deal with it. [ cheers and applause ] the one thing the democratic party -- no party wants to be that is how i have passed over caught on election night is a 100 bills as the lead democrat

process, organization, structure question. in the united states senate in the middle of that gridlock, and and right now the campaigns are that is how i have won elections in the reddest of red really antsy, probably a number of managers are expressing congressional districts, in the bluest of blue congressional districts. severe language in conversations the president, though, he might with the party chairman. >> david, do the campaigns know more than we do at this point? as well have a sign on his desk that says "the buck stops anywhere but here." in 2008 with barack obama, did look at what he has done. you know more before -- he blames everyone for our >> you're getting data in from problems. your precinct captains and your he blames everyone, people that local regional organizers, but shouldn't be blamed. who does he blame? it's not complete. he blames immigrants, right? so, yeah, i mean if you're a campaign manager or a senior he blames barack obama. staff every, like when are we going to new hampshire? he blames the fed chair that he when are we going back to washington? what kind of speech are we giving? nominated, the energy secretary they're all having to re-allocate their staff from that he appointed, the generals iowa to different states. that he commands, and, yes, the king of denmark. so you may say a matter of hours don't matter. it matters a great deal. >> within the campaigns right he even recently blamed justin now, is there a winner who knows trudeau for cutting him out of he or she -- >> i doubt they know they won. the canadian version of "home i think they know we're more alone 2." viable in more places than we expected or not, right? who does that?

who does that? they see -- they get data and so let me tell you what i will do. say, we expected three delegates out of here, we got four. that's great. when i am behind that desk, i we got two, that's not great. but, no, they're kind of in the dark too, which is crazy. will take responsibility instead of passing it on. maybe it's not quite the i will reach across the aisle affordable care act website going down. and work with americans in good faith. >> that would never happen. instead of picking fights, i'll >> unthinkable. >> i may have been around bring this country together politics for too much of my instead of pushing it apart. life, but can i raise another question? some of you may know that old if i'm one of these campaigns, i'm coming out. story about franklin delano roosevelt. it has just occurred to me i can get drop-dead, lock cinch free it was a story about how after he died, they put his body on a television time, primetime in train, and it worked its way to washington, d.c. and there's a story of a three time zones from, oh, i don't know cable networks with reporter who came upon a man who nothing else to talk about. was crying by the side of those tracks. i can come out and pull one of and the man had his hat on his those, we don't yet know the chest, and he was sobbing, and results of this great state. but either way -- the reporter looked at him and >> hold the floor for 20 minutes and -- >> come out. said, sir, do you know president roosevelt? did you know him? your advance people have and the man said, no. carefully laid out beautifully lit stages for you. i didn't know president free shot at television tonight. roosevelt, but he knew me. >> well, if you think you might have a chance to win, you'd probably want to wait so you can say, we won. he knew me.

>> yeah. >> but if the campaigns think and what we are missing so much this is going to be a three-way, right now in our country is that you know, jumble at the top, sense of empathy. yeah, somebody could come out and say, super close, we did well. we are missing that caring, and i promise you this. >> and i'll be out later even. but here i am taking advantage i will bring back that sacred of -- steve kornacki, again, all trust between the american his fault. people and the president of the united states. direct all of your calls to [ cheers and applause ] steve kornacki. i'm kidding. couldn't be a nicer guy. couldn't be someone silently suffering more tonight than if you are sick and tired of steve kornacki. >> well, we thought we had hearing how great the economy is prepared for every contingency. when you don't feel it, when this is the one we didn't prepare for actually, so we're your paycheck is stretched to trying to piece it together with all of you. the one thing i would add the breaking point month after quickly is you think about the month, i know you, and i will value of winning the iowa caucuses. fight for you. traditionally you were talking about perhaps the candidate if you are sick of choosing coming down and addressing a television audience while between paying for day care for there's still a lot of people watching. your kids and long-term care for that is part of the value of iowa traditionally. your parents, i know you, and i will fight for you. if you're sick of being torn between filling a refrigerator and filling a prescription, i

know you, and i will fight for you. and if you want a democratic nominee who can make our tent bigger and our coalition wider and our coattails longer -- >> amy, amy, amy, amy, amy. >> if you want that, i know you, and i will fight for you. and if you are sick and tired of the extremes in our politics and the noise and the nonsense, you have a home with me. so please join our campaign at amyklobuchar.com. join us because we are going to be here, it looks like, a really

long time tonight, and you will have plenty of time to join us at amyklobuchar.com. so let's stay up. let's stay in a good spirit because you all know what happened out there in those precincts. you know that we have been punching way beyond our weight. you know that despite some limited resources compared to some of those bigger bank accounts, we are way on the board. so let's stay up. let's stay up. let's stay happy, and let's head to new hampshire. thank you, iowa! [ cheers and applause ] >> amy klobuchar taking advantage of free media time during the lull as we wait for the democratic party in the state of iowa to report anything, even partial results. mike memoli over at biden headquarters where i imagine they're getting nervous too. mike?

>> reporter: well, brian, amy klobuchar is of a similar mind-set to joe biden right now. at he's now arrived mpaign here at drake university, his event site. i see the international association of firefighters leadership. they've been with him every step of the way there in the building. we expect him onstage, and here's what we know from our team of reporter who's have been talking to all of the campaigns. there's a call happening right now between campaign officials and the iowa democratic party. one campaign source says that the results app that they were using -- this was a new app they were supposed to be reporting each result from each precinct location around the state -- has not been working, and the phone backup system that they had in place, according to one source s a disaster. it's clear there is going to be no, at least in the near future, to report any sort of results at all, which means they're going to try to come out as quickly as they can, give some sort of speech, spin what they know as best they can, and then got on

to new hampshire. brian, you know who this is a good night for? new hampshire secretary of state bill gardner. he oversees a primary election that relies on paper ballots that are reported by elected town clerks across the state. there have been questions about how this process here in iowa would unfold. this is clearly a setback for a number of changes that they tried to make to improve the process, backfiring clearly tonight, brian. >> somewhere somebody working at grubhub is saying why did i just get vote count from blackhawk, iowa? >> mike, appreciate it. i want to get somebody on the phone who may be able so give us sort of a ground truth explanation as to what is going on tonight in iowa. we're joined on the phone by sean sebastian, who is a caucus secretary in ames, iowa, in precinct 11. he was the caucus secretary, and sean, i really appreciate you making time to join us tonight. what can you tell us about what happened in terms of reporting results from your precinct?

>> well, i think as you just mentioned, the app that we were told to download just hasn't been working. so in the handbook that we were given, we were given a hotline to call to report the results. and i've just been on hold pretty much since 8:30 trying to report these results in. yep. so i was -- you know, they say in which, you know, i got on hold. and there was a moment where they did connect for like one second about half an hour ago. and then i just wasn't responsive quick enough, and they hung up on me. so i'm back in line. >> shawn, in terms of your precinct, do you mind if i ask you to tell us what the results were in your precinct? >> yeah. so, you know, the caucus system is really unnecessarily

complicated as you know and as you're dealing with right now. so i can tell you on the first alignment, bernie sanders had 111 people. elizabeth warren had 82 people. and pete buttigieg had 47 people. and after all the second alignments and all the math, it ended up with sanders with two delegates, warren with two delegates, and buttigieg with two delegates. >> shawn sebastian. >> so even those standards had more than doubled the number of people after the first alignment than pete buttigieg, they ended up with the same number of delegates. >> shawn, thank you for helping us understand what happened tonight. we're going to go to biden headquarters where joe biden is starting his remarks. >> i want to thank you all, all our supporters and all those incredible people who hold public office in this state that endorsed us, and all the endorsers from all across the country, my colleagues in the senate, in the house, and from the vice presidency, all the people who came from all over to

campaign here. [ cheers and applause ] and most of all, i want to thank the iowans that are here. [ cheers and applause ] well, the iowa democratic party is working to get this result -- get them straight, and i want to make sure they're very careful in their deliberations. and indications are it's going to be close. we're going to walk out of here with our share of delegates. we don't know exactly what it is yet, but we feel good about where we are. look, so it's on to new hampshire. [ cheers and applause ] nevada, south carolina, and well beyond. we're in this for the long haul. and i want us to remember not just tonight but throughout there campaign -- [ inaudible ]. >> thank you.

this isn't just another election. this is well beyond our party. this is about ending an era of -- well, ending an era, god willing, of a president who -- look, this is bigger than any of us. it really is. we cannot, we cannot allow donald trump to be re-elected to the united states presidency again. i'm ready to give him a new nickname. the former president trump, chris. the former president trump. and, folks, as i said, it's bigger than any candidate, bigger than any party. and, folks, you know, i said from the outset, jill and i both said, we're in a battle for the soul of the nation, and that's not hyperbole. we really believe that, and i think it's been demonstrated every single hour he remains as president of the united states.

folks, each and every one of us knows that deep in our bones that everything this nation stands for is at stake, and i really mean it. four more years of donald trump will fundamentally alter the character of this nation, and character is on the ballot. that's what this is. everything that makes america america is at stake, and literally our democracy is at stake in my -- our view. i say our view because you've been doing this hard work as well as i have. and, folks, i love her too, man. i'll tell you what. the other reason we're running and we're going to make sure it happens is we've got to rebuild the backbone of this country, the working class, the middle class, they've been getting laid out badly by this administration. the middle class is being hurt very badly. but, look, you know what? we have to unify this country as well. everybody understands that, that

ceos and wall street bankers didn't build america. ordinary, hard working people led by unions built america. unions. and, folks, we need a president who is not only ready to fight but is also ready to heal this country. we can't hold grudges. we've got to be able to go out and unify the country because a president is supposed to heal as well as fight, and that's exactly what i plan on doing, we planning on doing, all of us in this hall plan on doing. ladies and gentlemen, you know, i'm going to go all over this country, every part of the democratic party and unite it, men, women, gay, straight, everyone, black, brown, a whole universe of people out there. because, folks, there's nothing, nothing we've ever failed at when we've tried to do it together. nothing america has ever, ever failed at.

so, ladies and gentlemen, all my friends, and by the way, i want to say a special thanks again to al and the firefighters. you've been incredible to us. you've been incredible to us. but, folks, everybody knows who donald trump is. well, it's fortunate they do know now. they didn't know last time, i don't think. but they know now. and, folks, we got to let him know who we are. we, we choose hope over fear. we choose science over fiction. unity over division. and compassion over cruelty. and maybe most. importantly. truth over lies. we're going to do this. i promise you. i promise you we'll get this done.

and god willing, we'll do it together. may god bless you all and god protect our troops. thank you. onto new hampshire! >> declare victory and fly east. we a >> we are keeping an eye on the pete buttigieg headquarters and the bernie sanders headquarters. we are expecting remarks from those candidates as well. i will just tell you, though, while we are awaiting the start of those other speeches -- and we will play elizabeth warren's remarks later, we did just get a new statement from the iowa democratic party on what is going on. quote, we found inconsistencies in the reporting of three sets of results. remember, the three sets of results are the three different numbers they were planning on reporting tonight. the initial allocation, the re-allocation after people moved around when some people weren't viable, and the delegate accounts.

in addition to the tech systems being used to tabulate results, we are also using photos of results and a paper trail to validate all results match and ensure we have confidence and accuracy in the numbers we report. this is simply a reporting issue. the app did not go down, and this is not a hack or an intrusion. the underlying data and paper trail is sound and will simply take time to further report the results. to underscore that, we did just moments ago speak with a caucus secretary from one precinct in ames, iowa, who told us that he had been on the phone for two hours on hold on the phone for two hours and counting trying to report to the state party the results of just that one precinct. >> wow. >> yeah. a reporting issue, they say. the underlying data and paper trail is sound. they're just saying it's going to take a lot longer. >> this doesn't look good. >> yeah.

>> ouch. >> again, this is a process problem that should have been worked out months before. you're bringing in new technology. first off, you're changing the format, the way this is going to play out for the presidential candidates. so you've got to have those lined up. and the candidates are saying on to new hampshire. we'll declare victory in iowa later. >> the one set of results we know, which rachel managed to get from that guy who has been on the phone for three hours waiting to tell the people running this who still don't know it, he told us basically that bernie sanders had more than double the vope buttigieg, and elizabeth warren was second in that standing. and all three of them ended up with two delegates. so that's the way it's supposed to work, and that is not --

>> there's no excuse for this under any scenario. if they did have record turnout, maybe you'd expect some challenges. '08 had 70,000 more people, and it worked flawlessly. i do think this is going to threaten the caucuses going forward. but what's fascinating tonight is whoever ends up winning this thing -- now, with social media, not like back in the '80s where you had television was the only way to reach people, but it's going to be mitigated a little bit. >> that's an important point. any momentum you want coming out of iowa is dissipated if the winner isn't determined until 6:00 tomorrow night. >> and can we touch the third rail of election integrity, which is the backdrop of every word we speak s and night? it's as if we're waiting for big numbers to come out of booten l.

that lingering doubt, that little wonder, the voice that never lived in your head until a couple years back. >> that's why the iowa democratic party is going out of their way. the app did not go down. this is not a hack or an intrusion. the underlying data and paper trail is sound. they are trying to foreclose suspicions of that type by saying, listen, we've got glitches in reporting this stuff. we tried a new fangled way of reporting the results. it didn't work. it overtaxed our backup. our backup is fundamentally sound. it's just going to take forever. i mean obviously there will be a price to pay for this within the process, but i mean from the candidates' perspectives, you know, you do what you got to do. amy klobuchar got out there first. biden and warren got out there very closely thereafter. we'll see the other candidates come out now. they'll all have to hedge in terms what they're going to say.

undetermined. >> i think the other point, you talked to the caucus secretary from ames. these people take their job very seriously. it's getting late. they're not going to wait on hold for another two hours, so you might not have complete results tonight. not to go down rabbit, but what if they actually report results and it's close? and it gets over turned tomorrow. so it's not a good luck. >> steve kornacki, the iowa democratic party says, we found inconsistencies in the reporting of three sets of results. can you refresh us as to why they are reporting three sets of results or at least trying to? >> it has everything to do with how these caucuses ended four years ago. remember, we're talking about how basically it was all counted at this time four years ago. the difference, remember, was four state delegate equivalents between clinton and sanders. the closest iowa democratic caucuses in here. those college counties don't necessarily get the same bang

for their buck, they believed they won the raw vote, the initial preference in 2016, and they basically raised hell about it, and the dnc mandated after 2016 that the iowa democratic party in the name of transparency was to provide that initial preference, the raw vote, and figure out how to do it. so it's not necessarily something the iowa democratic party was looking to take upon itself, but the dnc after all those clinton/sanders politics of 2016, said, iowa, you've got to do this. >> in terms of the iowa democratic party's ambition versus their capability here, presumably both of you guys know this from different sides of it -- bernie sanders is going to be speaking in a moment. how much should they have stress

tested themselves. >> from the party's perspective, you do a series of dry runs. you really stress realtime election day scenarios, and you build into that testing, that stress testing, glitches. >> mm-hmm. >> if everything goes wrong, you have the right backup plan. >> you could hear the hold music as that guy was talking to rachel. your call is important to us. >> again, we've seen speeches tonight from amy klobuchar and joe biden. elizabeth warren spoke at the same time as joe biden. she started just moments after him. we will turn that around and get you those remarks shortly. but here's bernie sanders live from his campaign headquarters in iowa. >> bernie, bernie, bernie. >> let me begin by stating that i imagine, i have a strong feeling that at some point, the results will be announced.

and when those results are announced, i have a good feeling we're going to be doing very, very well here in iowa. [ cheers and applause ] and the message that iowa has sent to the nation, the message shared by the american people, is that we want a government that represents all of us, not just wealthy campaign contributors and the 1%. tonight in this enormously consequential 2020 election, the first state in the country has voted, and today, today marks the beginning of the end for

donald trump. [ cheers and applause ] the most dangerous president in modern american history. you know, no matter what our political views may be, the people of america understand we cannot continue to have a president who is a pathological liar, who is corrupt, who does not understand our constitution, and is trying to divide our people up based on the color of their skin, based on their religion, their sexual orientation, or where they were born.

and all of that hatred, all of that divisiveness is going to end when together we are in the white house. [ cheers and applause ] we are going to win this election because the people of the united states are sick and tired of a massive level of income and wealth inequality. they don't want tax breaks for billionaires and cuts to social security, medicare, and medicaid. the american people understand that if you work 40 hours a week, you should not live in poverty and that we've got to raise that minimum wage to at least 15 bucks an hour.

the american people understand that health care is a human right, not a privilege. and that our administration is going to take on the greed and corruption of the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry, and whether they like it or not, we will pass a medicare for all, single payer program. the american people understand that in the year 2020, all of our people regardless of income are entitled to get a higher education, and that is why

together we will make public colleges and universities tuition-free and why we will cancel all student debt in america. and we're going to do that through a modest tax on wall street speculation. 11 years ago, we bailed out the crooks on wall street. now it is their time to help the middle class. and unlike the president of the united states, the american people understand that climate change is not a hoax but is an existential threat to our country and the entire world.

they understand that the time is now for us to take on the fossil fuel industry, to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency and sustainable energy. and as president of the united states, because this is a global issue, not just an american issue, we are going to speak to the people in china and russia and countries all over this world and say maybe, just maybe, instead of spending $1.8 trillion a year on weapons of destruction designed to kill each other, maybe we should pool our resources and fight our common enemy, which is climate change. [ cheers and applause ]

and the people of america know the time is long overdue for major reforms to a broken and racist criminal justice system. we're going to invest in our young people in jobs and education, not more jails and incarceration. and the american people also understand that our immigration system is broken, and together we will pass comprehensive immigration reform and a path toward citizenship. and the american people know that gun safety legislation will be written by the american people, not the nra. and the american people most

certainly know that it is women who must control their own bodies, not politicians. [ cheers and applause ] so, brothers and sisters, yes, together we will defeat donald trump, but we're going to do more than that. our message to wall street and the insurance companies and the drug companies and the fossil fuel industry and the military industrial complex and the prison industrial complex -- our message to them is change is coming. >> bernie, bernie, bernie, bernie.

>> together with the strongest grassroots movement this country has ever seen, where we have knocked on hundreds of thousands of doors here in iowa, we're doing it in new hampshire, so let me conclude by thanking our great staff, our volunteers here in iowa. and now it is on to new hampshire, nevada, south carolina, california, and onward to victory. thank you all very much. >> bernie sanders.

>> senator sanders giving the same kind of speech that they're all going to give tonight, which cannot be either a concession or a victory speech because there are no results. may i give us a little bit of news that arrived while the snofr was speaking? >> please. >> the general counsel, meaning the top lawyer for the biden for president campaign, has released a letter to the iowa democratic party. dear mr. price and mr. geiken, i write on behalf of the biden for president campaign regarding the considerable flaws in the iowa caucus reporting system. the app that was intended to relay caucus results to the parties. failed. the party's backup telephonic reporting system likewise has failed. now we understand that caucus chairs are attempting to and in many cases failing to report results telephonically to the party. these acute failures are occurring statewide. we appreciate that you plan to brief the campaigns momentarily

on these issues and we plan to participate. however, we believe that the campaigns deserve full explanations and relevant information regarding the methods of quality control you are employing and an opportunity to respond before any official results are released. we look forward to hearing from you promptly. in the meantime, we're on to new hampshire on the road to the most important election of our lifetimes. again, that's the top lawyer for the biden campaign ripping the iowa democratic party and saying, this is a big deal. it's statewide. it's acute failure, and you better talk to us before you say anything about what happened tonight. >> acute, the one-word kind and not two. >> no, it's not a cute failure. it's an acute failure. >> tonight is the night to say what i think a significant sentence in that letter is, is where he references, you're going to talk to us before you release anything. >> yeah. >> so now you're going to have a powwow with all the campaigns to go through this process, the results. we may not see or hear anything

from iowa for a while. and that's, again, for a candidate like biden, you know, where it was kind of questionable how he would do here, and for some of the other candidates, it breathes some life into their campaigns now. they can in one sense think, hey, we're starting this in new hampshire at this point. >> i think biden thought he was heading to a first or strong second place showing, he wouldn't want to be maligning the process. i think they probably don't like the numbers they're seeing to the extent they're getting precinct and county results. i think that's fairly illustrative of where they think this is going to land when the results do come in. >> we keep saying this is going to take the wind out of the sails for somebody -- isn't this possible this means somebody gets an iowa win in eight days or nine days? i mean you go on and lose new hampshire but after the fact you find out actually a week ago, you won iowa? >> but we've had that conversation already. for momentum and things to be

energy, yeah, all of a sudden they're going to drop in eight days, you know, maybe the day before new hampshire or afterwards. >> save it for a time when somebody needs a pick-me-up? >> well, the danger i see is that everyone basically gets a participant trophy, and we need to get about winnowing this field. listen, we'll know the results. i don't know when. at some point. there will be a lot of coverage of that and people will talk about it in new hampshire. but i think people are going to escape the most serious consequences to their candidacies if they -- under performed. >> chris matthews is in des moines. if i were a headline writer, your call may be monitored for quality assurance would be right up there. >> mishegoss, it's a yiddish term for complete chaos and disaster. this is making mike bloomberg's night. this is what he does.

this is how he's become a zillionaire. went wrong and i cn fix it. the guy in the white house is chuckling all night here, showing the democrats can't even get a three car funeral organized or whatever you want to call it. i would say to the people of iowa or the last person leaving des moines, please turn out the lights. this has not been a success. >> i fear daylight will obviate -- >> it argues the case. lawrence said go back to voting in machines and the more consistent the machinery in this country, the better. i really think the federal government has got no constitutional right to run elections, but we've got to find some statutory way of making our elections countable in realtime. i've got joy reid here. >> i often agree with you on these things when it comes to the history of way elections work. i think tonight was a great night for mike bloomberg. it was a great night for somebody who can argue competency at being able to run a big organization.

but the democratic party has two jobs in november. they have to not only try to carry this state because it is carriable. barack obama carried it. they also have to try to win a senate seat. joni ernst is up. she's been kind of mocking and trying to egg on joe biden in these caucuses, and this wasn't a good night for a party that needs to do those two jobs. and i'll say another thing that, you know, i mean it's not counterintuitive. iowa can only tell you a certain number of things. but one of the things it can tell you is kind of the general mood of a sort of moderate white american voter. and i want to bring -- i don't have the numbers in front of me, but steve kornacki earlier talked about the difference in the number of people, the number of humans who showed up in '08 versus '16 versus now. and if it's flat to '16, democrats should take note of that, right? there's not a surge of sort of middle of the road white voters eager and desperate to get rid of donald trump, at least not

from what i'm seeing in terms of the turnout here. democrats need to think that through, including bernie sanders voters, that he was going to bring this record turnout of new people and they were going to surge to get rid of donald trump. if you're not doing it in this state, democrats need to think about what does the coalition because the coalition to get rid of donald trump is more likely going to look like a state that's a lot more diverse like georgia or florida. i don't know. it's difficult to make the argument there's a surge of white voters eager to get rid of donald trump. >> all night long we've used the word viability. and i think we have to ask about the viability of the iowa caucus. the company has to find someone to challenge trump. going forward, i saw the bernie surge.

that's about 1/3 of the party but it's not the party.