our ongoing special coverage of the iowa caucuses continues

tonight. it's 1:00 a.m. on the east coast. not the situation that any of us expected to find ourselves in as we are still awaiting results from the iowa caucus. and i don't mean just the few outstanding to trickle in. basically all the results. it's the first votes being cast in the election. much anticipated. all objective metrics showing interest and turnout from the roof as we head into this election hour and at this hour we do not have anything really data wise to report to tell you. and that's because there appear to be inkipt sits of the reporting data 37 they are trying to carry out quality chex before making the data public but there's a a new app that was noent speed up reporting in iowa, which appears to have done just the opposite. that may sound familiar to you if you have tried to use an app

spoke with a caucus secretary from ames, iowa. >> the app that we were told to download just hasn't been working. so in the handbook we were given, we were given a hot line to call to report the results. and i have just been on hold pretty much since 8:30 trying to report these results in. >> you have be been on hold for two hours trying to report the results from your one precinct? >> yes. they say they will be with me in the order in which i got on hold. and there was a moment where they did connect for like one second about half an hour ago. and then i wasn't quick enough and they hung up. >> he was on hold for two hours

trying to report results. this is really kind of a worst case scenario for those that organized the caucus. it's simply a reporting issue. and it's not a hack or an intrusion, which is important to note here. it's also important to stress that there is a paper and pencil record. this was not a secret ballot. the data exists. it was collected very publicly. mean people red out the result s to a room full of people often with cameras reporting. so there is at least in theory a checkable record. it's not lost. that said, damage done is pretty significant. the confidence in the democratic party and for campaigns looking for a bump out of tonight's results. . wile we await the results, what it means for iowa in the future of caucuses in the state. joining me to hopefully complete his evening is sean sebastian,

the caucus from ames a iowa. >> i finally got on the line. i got connected at 11:00 p.m. central time. and i was able to report out my results. and the caucus process is so kmex. i had had to report out the totals and the first alignment and second alignment and make sure all the map was adding up. so it took me almost 20 minutes to report out the results from just my precinct. so that kind of made sense why i was on hold for so long. >> that's interesting. is this the first time you have done this sort of thing? >> yes, this is the first time i have been in this role. i have caucused in 2004 and 2 8 2008, but this is the first and last time i will be a caucus secretary. >> that's an interesting little glimpse in the process. the reporting itself took 20 minutes. >> yeah, almost 20 minutes. it took awhile. >> that strikes me as maybe we

have located the problem in the same way rubber neck ong the highway. all it takes is a a few extra seconds of each car pausing to say look at at an accident to cause a traffic backup. if the normal reporting phone time is a few minutes and this is taking 15 or 20, that would indicate you'd end i want in a traffic jam. >> that's right. in the absence of an app or something that actually worked to kind of relay a lot of complicated information, this is just how long it took. >> you were reporting more data than normally. i know you were trained a as a volunteer. that there was more data that had to be reported this year than any previous year, is that correct? >> i believe so. and at each stage with the first alignment and second alignment, we had to report out on the map

and total hs to add up. there's obviously unique things that happen when 300 people gather in a an elementary school gym nnasium. so note all those caveats, it just takes awhile. >> shawn sebastian, america has been watching his journey tonight as he has been awe tempting to report his results. so congratulations on stick ing to it. thank you for making some time tonight. >> absolutely. thanks for having me. i want to bring in mike memily. an interesting letter put out by the biden campaign. a slightly strange, i have to say. this is from the general counsel for the biden campaign. they write on behalf the considerable flaws that they are frustrated with this. we think that the campaigns are

due an explanation and an opportunity to respond before any official results are released. we look forward to hearing from you promptly. what are you hearing about this? >> some eight hours ago when we kicked off our coverage here not far from here, i told chuck todd that the biden campaign was doing an incredible job of lowering expectations or there was concern about the result here in iowa. and a that concern had less to do about how many delegates were at stake and where they might fit in the pecking order because it's a small fraction of the overall number of delegates you need. it has to do with perception. the perception of the former vice president of the united states who entered as a front runner falling short when he's been make iing an argument abou eligibility. when you now see what we have seen tonight, which is nothing. we haven't seen results yet. it's given the biden campaign an

opportunity at the bear minimum what we saw from the candidate himself. he came on stage looking very relieved. he gave an abbreviated version of his speech. he has two events scheduled tomorrow. it let's them use words like what you said. considerable flaws, acute mistakes in that letter that they put out tonight. so whatever the result ends up being here, the biden campaign now has the benefit of that result being diluted by the confusion. other campaigns are trying to spin and put out results that their own teams from across the state are reporting, but for a candidate who said the likely outcome was going to be something of a muddle, a close race and a that this was really a race about who can attract the most votes from a across the broadest constituencies, this helps him make that case going

forward. >> we should note that if you're just joining us for some deranged reason and you missed earlier in the evening, a bunch of candidates came out in the absence of any official results and said i might as well put my candidate on national television. biden was toward the beginning of that. it would be fair to say the note he struck was not a victorious one. that's in contrast to a few other candidates who essentially gave a victory speech faz they had been crowned the winner. is that a fair characterization? >> absolutely. that was the reaction here in the room. that candidate was preparing, i think, for a difficult night. let's look at this again. biden campaign has been trying to play for the long haul, but they are well aware, especially with michael bloomberg out there, that fundraising and the questions of the media were going to follow him. this could have been a much more harmful impact to his campaign than the the results itself. and so he came out here

certainly relieved that he's been spending all night with his family. we believe he's on his way to new hampshire shortly. he will be able to go forward now and make his case. >> i want to play a little bit so if you missed joe biden's speech just to give you a flafr of that. this is joe biden addressing some reporters about two hours ago. take a listen. >> well, the iowa democratic party is working to get these results straight and i want to make sure they are careful this their deliberations. and indications are it's going to be close. we're going to walk out of here with our share of delegates. we don't know exactly what it is yet, but we feel good about where we are. so it's on to new hampshire. nevada, south carolina, and well

beyond. we're in this for the long haul. >> that was joe biden. just for a sense of comparison because we're about to go to bernie sanders, this was sanders who came out and gave a speech that others game gave similar speeches that felt like rally victory speeches. we don't know who won, but that's the tenor of the speech. this is what bernie sanders had to say. joining me now from the bernie sanders hq is shaquille brucer. do you have any sense where the sanders campaign has insight into what the actual numbers are? presumab presumably, they have people reporting from precincts. do you get a sense they know what the numbers are roughly? >> reporter: you make a great point there. this is a campaign that has touted its ground game. because of that, there's some news. forgive me for looking down here. but we're expecting a statement from the sanders campaign any

minute now. they will be releasing internal numbers from the precinct captains essentially show whag data they have. this is unverified. this is their own internal data. but it will be more than what we know and more than what's been reported to the democratic party. the party has wrapped up here. but something you saw an interesting scene is here where you saw senator sanders come out very quickly, very abruptly and give his speech that was essentially a victory speech. it was a vukt ri speech. it was something they prepared. they came out and spoke after. they were saying that sanders would still come out if those results came out from the party. but those results never came. his campaign surrogate came out and said that sanders was going home for the nugt and they were going to wait for the results. but the campaign is still

saying, i just czeched for updates. the campaign is saying any minute now they will release a statement detailing their own internal results from the precinct captains they had from across the state. >> shaquille brucer, we might be checking back with you if we get that statement. i want to play that clip of sanders. a little bit of woord games manship if people had to decide if they were going to make a speech and a little bit of reading between the lines. these campaigns all have some data they have access to. because the numbers are being announced, they can be reported up the chain. so they have a little bit of a picture. this was sanders' speech. >> at some point the results will be announced. and when those results are announced, i have a good feeling we're going to be doing very well here in iowa.

>> you want to go to you quickly, david. then we're going to talk to the panel. but quickly before i lose the reporters, the campaign dots have more than a little bit of insight into what the results look like. >> sure, they are getting reports. it's not going to be comprehensive, but this does speak to strength of organization. so they have a sense. so at some point, maybe soon we'll know what the results are. the question is what does it mean going forward? iowa is less about delegates. it's about momentum. so if it's mayor pete or sanders, that seems to be what those campaigns think, they might not get the traditional ballots. so that will be interesting. they will be in new hampshire tomorrow ask through the week and trying to recapture that

momentum. but it's going to be needed. >> the underperformance. i know political folks like to spin, but we'll know the numbers. so if there's some bad number from one of these campaigns like presumably we'll get that information and that will have the effect it would have. >> but it's much different having to give that speech with the numbers on everybody's tv screen saying who came in fourth or fifth opposed to we did well. >> speaking of getting some delegates, we are at the klobuchar campaign. what are you hearing? >> reporter: hey, chris. we're here at the klobuchar campaign where she came on a couple hours ago and spoke to supporters. they are breaking down the stage and we still don't have any results from the iowa caucus that happened over five hours ago. so basically the latest i'm

hearing is that the democrats held a conference call with campaigns in the last hour or so to give them a status update on what the results reporting was going to look like and what kind of issues were at the top of the hour. there were inconsistencies with the numbers that we have been getting or that the democrats first time they are planning on releasing three separate numbers. the first alignment, second alignment and the delegate equivalents, and they are ba basically saying these numbers weren't matching up. so rather than going through the reporting they got on the caucus app, which had serious issues and the precinct chairs were calling in and waiting for half an hour to an hour to the two hours, they are waiting to figure out a way to get these backup information. they are going through cards here looking through the paper trail to figure out the exact discrepancies might be. so on the conference call with

the iowa democrats they held with various campaigns all here in iowa, basically they gave a status update. they opened the floor for questions and then as campaigns starting get iting heated, the democrats hung up the call and so campaigns are feeling frustrated right now. because we had cameras at various caucus locations around the state tonight. the cameras were watching rulgts come in. so we have somewhat of a sense is, but nothing is absolutely verified. their internal polling and results show that biden is even with them if not behind klobuch klobuchar's results so they are eager to get these verified results. >> thank you very much. if we can pull up the tweet from klobuchar's campaign manager,

which these are now in an informational vacuum in which it behooves campaigns to release their own information that's most advantageous to the story they want to tell. but this is the campaign manager for one of the campaigns saying big night in iowa. with the numbers we've seen, we're running even or ahead of vice president biden. wheels up to new hampshire. that's the first campaign that made any pronouncement about internal numbers seem to indicate. ali is with elizabeth warren's campaign on the way to new hampshire. she joins me on the phone. what's the warren campaign saying about what happened tonight, how they view it and where they see themselves? >> well, chris, we're joining you by phone because all the candidates get on planes and fwo to new hampshire immediately after the iowa caucus. we are doing that with elizabeth warren. several top aids ask all of the rest of the traveling press were uling into the airport now to get on a plane.

but the campaign before we left hq said her campaign manager said the results are close. they are saying it's a tight race in the top three between warren, sanders and buttigieg. they say biden for them is this a distant fourth they haven't heard that many calls with the iowa democratic parties, but they hope there's going to be more. and one other note that every second that passes with this iowa process, the iowa process is undermined just a little withfurther. so just pulling become from this. if you thought voters were confused before tonight, imagine how her going to be wake up tomorrow morning. this is just another instance where iowa, there were a lot of expectations down plaid about how elizabeth warren needed to win here. a lot of people on her campaign saying this wasn't crucial to her success. this is where their long-term ground game comes into play. they are built out in 31 states. they have over a thousand staffers.

they were in this for a a protracted primary. if tonight's results are any sense, this could be a long one even just how it started tonight. >> ali traveling with the warren campaign, thank you. we should say that of all the candidates to come out tonight and claim some form of victory or form of, well, we were here and now we won't be, pete buttigieg had the most unambiguous victory speech. it felt like the speech written in anticipation of victory that's given. joining us from hq in des moines is von hilliard. were you struck by the kind of surety and soaring victory address that pete buttigieg gave? >> reporter: no, chris, because if you look from the information we are able to gather and large ly that's the entrance polls and is away we're hearing from precincts and counties around the state that the buttigieg cam

pain feels good. he was essentially tied with joe biden with voters over the age of 45. you also looked and appeared to be a ground swell of support from more moderate independents based off those entrance polls. this campaign said he was viable in the 85% of the precincts that they got reports back from. this is a candidate to put into perspective here that invested millions of dollars. they had 180 staffers on the ground. not just for the buttigieg campaign, but for all of the campaigns. they have invested millions of dollars and been on the road for more than a year. pete buttigieg essentially needed the state of iowa here. he needed to be able to give that victory speech here live. he needed to tell the country he could win the midwest in iowa. because of the results being held by the democratic party, it was midnight eastern time that pete buttigieg ult hat ly matly

gave that speech. he said we're going to new hampshire victorious. but it doesn't have the same tenor to it. he had to go and share the stage with joe biden and elizabeth warren. they have been waiting a year for this moment tonight. and frankly, he's getting on to a plane to go to new hampshire unable to really claim the victory that they have been waiting to hopefully get to the point of doing over the course of an entire year. >> it's a very good point. it's a very different speech when the numbers are up there. thank you. join iing me now for more on wh we have learned and not learned, donna edwards, contributing columnist from the "washington post." sam cedar, political director for the center for popular democracy, and david plouffe, who was one of the engineers of barack obama's big victory in 2008. take a step back for a second. here's the grand irony and my theory on what's happened

tonight. it's always been the case you report how many people show up. ask then report the delegate equivalents. that's the output of the math. this year because of a desire for massive transparency is, they were going to report two new numbers. the first alignment and then after people didn't reach the threshold and rekau cussed. so you have a much more complicated process to report. i also think it's possible that like a lot of these sheets math didn't work and tonight was the first time it was getting flagged because all the numbers are being reported. it seems to be possible that the transparency itself probably surfaced errors that were there in the past that are now popping up tonight. >> that's why that reform was requested. it's because there was a sense that the problems that you say have been revealed were there and didn't know about it. and i think that's what we're seeing tonight. >> we also have a question about turnout.

i'm really curious about your thoughts. . one ofrt benchmarks to look at is 239,000 in the famous 2008 election. 170,000 more or less in 2016. the democratic party reporting it will be on track for 2016. there awere some expectations fr 2008 numbers. what's your reaction to that number? >> i wanted to start with saying. i shared an office with shawn sebastian. i also know him to be a patient human being. and today his patience was tested. i think that just thinking about specifically the latino community in iowa. 240,000 folks. and i think the bernie sanders campaign has gone in deep with that community. and if he comes out of a win tonight, it's beginning to be because of those folks. because i think they were able to take him over the hump to get there. >> what do you make of the the number? i don't know what the right

benchmark is. 2008 is a strange year. you had two remarkable candidates and on january 3rd, which is a holiday week. a lot of people were around. so that might be generous. so what do you make of the turnout number? >> i was surprised. because across the country, we have projecting that the turnout was going to be even higher across the board. and i worry about that. and interestingly, bernie sanders, his campaign was saying early on if we get a huge turnout, that bodes in our favor. well, it may turn out that he didn't need a huge turnout and it still worked in his favor. >> wasn't thing, david made the point that the the victor is not going to get the bump. i do think there's a chance for the loser to actually sustain the negative momentum. because the loser, two campaigns already placed joe biden around

fourth or fifth. and there's going to be two other campaigns that place him there. you have all the campaigns talking about how joe biden suffered a massive defeat. >> we don't know if they are right, we should say. >> right. but that is a unique dynamic. it's one thing for there to be some type of we don't know how large the victor won by, there's a the lot of confusion. but the definitiveness of that loss could be huge. and remember, it's true if he was in contention in new hampshire that the delay might hurt him. but the fact that tomorrow night we have the state of the union. the next day we have the impeachment vote. this is going to elongate the story for iowa in a way it wouldn't have before. if we find out on thursday that somebody came into fifth, he's got to be worried about south carolina. more so than new hampshire. >> i would say on turnout. big if. but if it is about what it was

in 2016, that would be surprising. back in 2008, hillary clinton was much more of a superstar than she was in '16. so you had three. but this is a much biger field with more money and more tech anesthesiology. so it would be surprising. a couple other things. i don't want to overstate this, but i think donald trump is going to drive huge turnout in battleground states. so you'd like to see huge turnout. so we have to watch that going forward. and the conventional wisdom was, if it's big, i'm going to win. if it wasn't big, joe biden would do well. if he didn't, that bares close watching too. >> we'll talk about more from iowa. we have some new numbers that campaigns are putting out into the vacuum. we'll get those to you and talk about where things stand on this early morning, when we come right back. can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. save 50% on the sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed.

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it's just past 1:30 on the east coast. we still don't have numbers out of iowa. but i want to go back to bernie sanders headquarters. what do you have for us, shaquille? >> reporter: we heard the victorious tone from bernie sanders on stage earlier this evening. now they are becoming it up with a hit of why they were so confident. his senior adviser and campaign manager in 2016 is releasing a statement now. and also releasing internal campaign data that is unverified. just about 40% of the precincts that show sanders ahead, i'm going to read that statement for you. they say we recognize that this does not replace the full data, but we believe our supporters worked too hard for too long to

have the results of that work delayed. so they are releasing 40% of the precincts. the data they have from who 40% of the precincts. 87,000 people. that's not what we expect the full picture, but that's the partial internal data. it just shows you the vacuum that is created when the democratic party is not releasing their own data. the campaigns are taking it upon themselves to release their own. >> we're going to see more of that. thank you for that. they say these are from representative all four congressional districts but we don't know the denominator here. cynthia mcfadden has been looking into what happened. what did happen tonight? >> well, it's hard to know presicily. i would start with this. at least there's a paper record of what happened tonight. at some point, it can be known accurately. so that's important. but the app, let's talk about the app. the app was sent out to the

precinct chair people, we understand, about several days ago. but that when many of them went to download it, they were receiving warnings on their phone that said this type of file can harm your phone. do you want to continue. 5:30 tonight, 12 party heavy weights were not able to log into their apps and or not able to download them at all. so certainly that sounds like it may have caused a few problems. the app, we had been investigating this app for a few weeks now. the democratic party of iowa wouldn't tell us who developed it, but in the last hour, our tech reporter was able to figure it out. the iowa and nevada democrats parties paid over $50,000 for the same app developer called shadow. we have the expenditure file in

records. i can tell you this. the website says we are campaign and technology veteran b who is have built and implemented technology for hillary for america, obama for america, apple and the dnc. that tells you a little about who developed it. why the iowa democrats didn't want to tell us that, we don't know. we also don't know if they did any testing on this thing to see whether or not it was safe. remember this. the party heavy weights were supposed to download the app to their personal cell phones. so already you're saying, that doesn't sound so is safe. so that's some of the app situation here. and we have been hearing throughout the night that that drove people to the phones and you know the story. sometimes 30 or 40 minutes or two-hour waits to get through on the phone. many of the precinct leaders said we give up. we're going to wait until tomorrow. so maybe tomorrow. >> last question. is it correct that nevada is

currently slated to use this app for their caucuses? >> they paid money to get this to the same company. i would guess by the time north dakota votes it won't be the same app. >> probably make some changes. i want to go to des moines right now. we have two reporters who saw the events up close. gabriel, i think you have covered these before as did charlie did tonight. in the room at least, in the doing of the thing, did it feel different? >> it felt different in that everybody knew that there were going to be so many different reports tonight. so people were really focusing on making sure that they were representing well on the first alignment and second alignment. so a lot of people were trying to win people over from the very start. the big difference is there were so many candidates.

we don't usually see that. 2016 on the democratic side, there were three candidates, but really only two were going to go for viability. so there was just a lot of craziness in that sense. the other part is we didn't know what the turnout was going to be like. we thought it was going to be massive turnout that would rival 2008. we don't yet know what the final turnout was, but it's looking like the 2016 numbers, which considwere a lot of people but quite record number. >> the math just gets more difficult in this machine the more candidates you have. if you have two candidates running, if one of them didn't get viability, that's the end of your day. if you have nine and three of them are viable and six aren't, that's going to be a longer process. >> not only that, but there was a lot of problems with the process. i went to a small caucus up in tama county. there were 90 people there. and they hadn't been sent all the paperwork they needed from

the iowa democratic caucus. so this thing was a dog's breakfast from the start. that caucus went off like a swiss watch. but then i got in the car and listened to the radio and everything went to hell in a hand basket. >> what do you think about what this means for the institution of the iowa caucuses? we should be clear the republicans don't do it this way. republican caucus is much more like a primary vote than this complicated system. there's opinion a lot of critiques of iowa because of the demographics of the state and also because of the complexities of this, people have to go for three hours. what does this do tonight to the status of this? >> there are two part s s to th if not more than that. first of all, let's provide context. in 2012 on the republican side, we had something similar with rick santorum and mitt romney called the winners. it took awhile to sort that out. in 2016 it took all night to

find out whether hillary clinton or bernie sanders won. so there's been a ton of scrutiny to the system. i have been talking to a lot of influential iowans here over the last few months. they have been worried. not because they thought something like this was going to happen, but they were concerned that if there was some sort of muddle tonight, there wasn't a clear result, that would be a big question. people would start to say, why does iowa fwo first if it's not going to set us on a path that we like here. clearly, they are saying they have this conversation every four years, but this is a disaster tonight if you're trying to think of the continuity of the iowa caucus itself. >> what do you think, charlie? >> i think it's the end of this thing. and i think caucuses in general are not democratic. they are not a great place to start your presidential nominating process. and i think this is just the death now. if if it's not the death nail, somebody should get fired.

>> thank you both. we will have much more on the state of play in this very, very strange first night of the america election of 2020. don't go anywhere. don't go anyw.

all right. we are back. we still have no results from iowa. we have no communication official ly from the democratic party. there's been some reporting about the app at the center is of this, which appears to be developed by a company called shadow. david plouffe, you have worked with acronym. sort of walk through the connections. you want to ask if you have had anything to do with this app or have any insight? >> i didn't know about it. acronym is a digital firm that

works on digital advertising, puts out a newsletter every week about what's happening in the presidential race. my understanding is i just text the ceo. acronym is an investor in shadow. to my relationship with acronym, i have no knowledge of shadow. >> so you weren't sitting like i actually developed this app. >> i didn't know if it was microsoft or who it was. it was news to me. >> we're going to find out more about this. and also basically i would like to get a more definitive sense of what happened tonight. we're talking about the app and it's unclear like in a comprehensive sense what went wrong. i want to also note that ann true yang, a candidate in iowa spoke at a caucus site in des moines. here's what he had to say. ♪

>> hello, des moines. hello, iowa. thank you so much. you all are incredible. also want to say a special thank you to my wife evelyn yang for being such an incredible partner on this journey. i love you so much, baby. whoo! what a night here in iowa. thank you all so much for the hard work and dedication you put into making tonight a tremendous night for the yang gang and this campaign. and this is a great time to actually pause for reflection on how far we have come. we declared over two years ago, over 30 people ended up jumping into the race. there were 20 candidates on the

main stage. they had to break it up into two nights. and i'm going right from it here to new hampshire where i will be one of the seven candidates on the debate stage on monday night in new hampshire. so many of you who dropped everything and came here to iowa to fight for this campaign. raise your hand if you're from out of state and came here. let's give them a round of applause. let's give you a round of applause. look at this. that's humanity first. that's what has made this campaign the political force of nature that no one saw coming. we have raised tens of millions of dollars from almost half a million americans in increments of only $30 each. and that is because people have made this case to other people at every step of the way.

and tonight what happened? we saw that tens of thousands of iowans around the state realized that the economy is transforming around them. i have seen it myself. it's gone from the farms to the factories to the main streets and eventually we'll hit the highways. this is what we have to turn around, yang gang. we have to make an economy that works for us instead of the bottom lines of these huge companies. to say it's all about our bottom line because we all hear there are record high corporate profits in this country. you know what else there are record highs in the united states of america? stress, anxiety, drug overdoses, suicides, depression, student loan debt, medical bankruptcies,

if your corporate profits are going up and your life expectancy is going down, which do you listen to? it's our lives. yang gang, it's our lives. we have to start measuring how we're doing by how we are doing and not how these giant companies are doing. the two are no longer lining up. 23 anything they are heading in opposite directions more and more. and that's what this campaign can change. this campaign can make our country's bottom line, our family's bottom line, our kids bottom line, because you look around and you see on current economy does not reward the kind of work that evidence lent and stay at home parents do every single day. it does not recognize and reward the kind of work that caregivers do every single day. volunteers and activists doing

work in your communities, artists, people trying to make the community stronger. all of these are getting zeroed out one by one. our democracy is getting zeroed out because in this country today we feel money on one side and people on the other tths money that wins. this campaign is about turning that around and saying the best way we can solve our own problems is by putting economic resources into the people's hands. we know how to improve our lives better than any government program. that message rang loud and clear now we're going to take that message to new hampshire and the rest of the country. i got to say i'm a numbers guy. we're still waiting on numbers

from tonight. we're all looking around like, what's the math? and this is one of those situations where we can essentially just throw some letters up on the wall and be like, i guess we'll project on to these new letters for now what the numbers are going to be. but the math that i care most about is the fact that this movement has become something that has already shocked the political world and it's going to keep ongoing from here. it's going to keep on growing from here. you know what's fun? what some of the other campaigns hold a fundraiser they get together in a fancy place and put on their nice duds and come together and say expensive words and think expensive thoughts. you know the way the yang gang has a fundraiser?

we're going to have a fundraiser right now. we're saying if you want to keep this movement growing to new hampshire, chip in $5, $10 tonight and this campaign is going to grow and grow all the way to the white house. we have shocked the world time and time again, yang gang. are we done yet? >> no. >> we're going to go to new hampshire. i'm going to be at the cnn town hall on friday. and then they are going to see that this campaign has just begun and it is going to go all the way. thank you, iowa. >> that's andrew yang out there on stage with his wife speaking earlier tonight to his supporters. coming on stage to return to the mac, which is pinpointed at people of my age demographic. right in the zone that got me. still with me here, donna

edwards, sam seder and david plouffe. it's hard to kind of -- normally at this time of night we would be here what the numbers are and we'll look the entrance polls. we don't have any of that we have a rough sense of who feels they did well and who feels they did not do well. in that i would say that the klobuchar campaign was the first to come pout out. they didn't think they won the whole thing. you can give the big speech. but they also think they did well. and i'm curious what you think of the trajectory. >> i think that she was sort of the surprise in the night, at least to the extent we know any data. but i think she feels that way. it propels her into new hampshire in a way she might not have been. tonight could have been the end for her, but i think she feels resilient. she came off a lot of energy and a strong debate performance,

raises a ton of money, goes back to the states and even though we all thought that her campaign would be dead in the water with the impeachment hearings because she was the one candidate who hadn't quite built it out yet, but she built a strong separation around the state. >> i think tonight because we don't have the result tonight, there's question of built for the long run and not built for the long run becomes a huge question. the staff you have, the number of states you're in and the money coming in, given that we have taken away this thing that people are counting on. people are going to cast votes and there's going to be some bump. now you're looking a at what is the the organization you built, how big is it and how long you can sustain it. >> if klobuchar is the story she has resilience for new hampshire, that means it ast story of serious problem for joe biden. they are a little zero sum a at this point. but the other has to do with the app. to a certain extent, whpart of what we're seeing not just in

the democratic party, across society, you have wherein about this years ago. the failure of the institutions that we support and look to for just a basic level of competence. we're talking about a series of contracts. we have organizations that are tied to the democratic party and have subsidiaries here and paying off people here. and they are failing at literally the one job they had. which is count the votes. and this plays into the narrative of some of those candidates talking about corruption, who were talking about in broad strokes the problem of our society where merit and this hurts biden too. that's part of the story. it's not corruption in the sense it's illegal. but it's a question of this that we're being sold. where is the evidence of it? why don't the institutions have to play by those rules? why is it everyone else who doesn't have an inside track? why do they have to play by those rules but nobody else? >> there's also a little bit of

fallout for anyone in politics says, trust us, we got this. that gets a little harder to swallow after tonight. it's hard for -- i dent think tom perez is in an enviable position. he's largely worked in good faith on this. but i think to the degree that you have messages coming from the official parts of the party tonight, their communication gets harder. >> there's a lot more caucuses in 2008. so you have already seen a move to move from caucuses to primary. i would be surprised if that doesn't accelerate going forward. number two, i think back to the race. what's going to be interesting to me is candidates in new hampshire, how much of them are talking about what happened in iowa versus not. but the truth is reality still will be tissue some people might have gotten a reproef. they get eight more days to go to new hampshire not having performed poorly.

but we're going to get votes in new hampshire. you just staved that off for some people so klobuchar, she has to finish ahead of boyden in biden in new hampshire. because the gauntlet is so punishing in nevada and south carolina is. the money, the organization, the nature of campaigns, i can't tell you how different that race is than the one we just went through in iowa. >> this is where small donor and large donor makes a huge difference. for candidates that are running largely on small donor campai s campaigns, there's enthuse yampl they need to keep bringing the money in the door. but a big donor base provides a runway that you may not have for momentum. >> i think that it goes back to what sam was saying. if this was the dress are are rehearsal we're not ready for the big time in november. >> that's a fair deck larceny ration.

>> i'm hoping across the country, every voting system in every county and city is paying attention to this. and really to the question of small donors, i think the sanders campaign, thinking about the folks in here for the long trajectory. they are going to come out of this still having momentum, but the point pete needed this moment and he did not get this moment. >> i think like i said before. if it turns out that pooud judge is the numbers winner, he really had a tough break. because sanders is built for the long run. there was no huge momentum expectation unless he did really underperformed. you could see from the speech that pete buttigieg gave. they said this clearly, the strategy was turning point

movement, proof of concept, win iowa and get a second look maybe for voters that haven't given a second look. that didn't happen. we have never had this before. so whatever data happens might change that. thank you for staying up with meso late. we still don't have results at this hour. but stay with msnbc. we'll bring you updapts a as we get them. more of our coverage of the iowa caucuses, right after this. can my side be firm?

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this morning, chaos and confusion surrounding the results of the iowa democratic caucus. at this point there's no clear winner but some of the candidates gave victory like speeches last night. the senate will hold its final impeachment vote tomorrow, and while it looks like president trump may be acquitted there are still several senators to watch. on the eve of the final impeachment vote, president trump is set to deliver his annual state of the union address. good morning, everybody. it is tuesday, february 4th. e