responsibility -- >> it was evil. it was corrupt. it was dirty cops. >> bringing this process to a conclusion. >> it was all bull [ bleep ]. >> i want to say again to the american people -- >> that we went through hell unfairly. did nothing wrong. did nothing wrong. >> how profoundly sorry i am for what i said and did to trigger these events. >> i want to apologize to my family for having them have to go through a phony, rotten deal. >> and the great burton they have imposed on the congress and on the american people. >> they took a phone call that was a totally appropriate call, and they brought it to the final stages of impeachment. >> i also am humbled and very grateful. >> it's called total acquittal. >> for the support and the prayers i have received from

millions of americans. >> when she said, i pray for the president. i pray for the -- she may pray but she prays for the opposite. >> this can be and this must be a time of reconciliation. >> adam schiff is a vicious, horrible person. >> and renewal for america. >> say hello to the people of utah, and tell them, i'm sorry about mitt romney. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much, everybody. thank you. >> i believe any person who asks for forgiveness has to be prepared to give it. >> so there we see -- >> wow. >> -- donald trump painting william jefferson clinton in shades of humility, shades of dignity, and -- well, shades of

humanity pip looking preside humanity. looking presidential. a master class difference between the difference of humility and hubris. between just class and someone who is class-less. it was remarkable. >> it was a remarkable day yesterday. >> it was donald trump, donald trump put on a freak show yesterday. >> ah. >> and showed exactly why this race will always be close, even to the end. when things are going well, donald trump and his supporters and his family members are at their very worst. >> good morning. and welcome to "morning joe." we have finally gotten to friday. february 7th. along with joe, willie and me we have donny deutsch with us. former chief of staff to the dccc and former director of strategic communications for hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, adrienne elrod and historian author of

"the soul of america" and rogers professor of the presidency at varnt bilt university jon meacham, an nbc news and msnbc contributor. great to you have all with us this morning. >> willie, yesterday, the president. >> ooh. >> -- he put on an absolute freak show inside the white house. he put on actually a blasphemous display inside the national prayer breakfast. actually mocking people who quoted the words of jesus christ. >> yep. >> mocking people there of faith who actually followed the orders of jesus christ in the sermon on the mount. it was quite a display by a president who actually somehow managed to stoop below the lowest of low. >> yeah. the victory tour yesterday after the acquittal included a day at the national prayer breakfast where he displayed again his complete lack of understanding of what it means to have faith.

i'll play some of those clips and get into it later. also the clips we just played of him yesterday, i thought, joe, a perfect distillation of the trump age in washington. donald trump being who he is. we know who he is. also in front of him his entire cabinet. the attorney general sitting there laughing and smiling and applauding while donald trump was ripping the russia investigation and ripping the ukraine investigation and everything else and then you had republicans, congress' republicans clapping and laughing along and waiting for their names to be called, which sort of is the point of their jobs right now. to say and do the thing that pleases the boss, and yesterday he one by one went down the line and called out members of congress and then we saw yesterday afterward they would tweet out on social media the clip of the moment where he said a nice thing about them. i thought there's the whole ball game, yesterday, right there in the white house. >> yeah. yet -- >> shallow. >> donald trump at his worst. think about this. i mean, he is -- it is assuring,

it is calming, that he is so predictable. what did he do the day after robert mueller's testimony? he picked up the phone. >> yep. >> he called ukraine. invaded by russia. said, i'm holding up your weapons until you dig up dirt on my political opponent. that was the next day. donald trump was at his worst when he actually should have been at his best. when he should have been at -- at his -- well, most humane. he should have played the advantage. this man -- this man doesn't know how to make a deal and politically he just doesn't know how to play an advantage. yesterday would have been a wonderful time for him, if he cared about ever getting to 50%, to do what bill clinton did. a man who left office, actually, i think in the '60s, but instead, he, rick wilson said,

instead donald trump yesterday, he bellowed like a third-world warlord and in a display of political performance art that was almost unbearably grotesque and it's a front to american values, american law and america's collecti ivive sanityd as willie said, mika. >> yeah. >> the most grotesque part was not donald trump. we've -- we've already priced that in to the stock. >> it's baked into the cake. >> the grotesque part were those people jammed in there and the people januaried into the prayer breakfast laughing along to this about b abhorrent behavior. political norms, passed over, and more importantly cultural norms that donald trump shatters every day, and i will say as a, as someone who grew up in the

evangelical church, a cut against basic norms that evangelicals once claimed to believe. once held themselves to -- >> lived by. >> -- once talked about inside the church, and inside prayer breakfasts, even though they are all sinners, at least they ascribe to follow the words of jesus christ, the best they could do. yesterday a president of the united states was openly mocking the words of jesus christ. i mean, franklin graham or jerry falwell jr. or robert jeffries, of any of these other religious leaders put in quotes did anybody to actually tell their flock. wait a second. no. don't listen to the president. listen to the words of jesus

christ? we'll talk about all of this, a lot coming up but a shock poll agency they like to say, mika, coming out of new hampshire last night. >> we'll get to more of the president's day of rhetorical revenge? just a moment. first that new poll this morning with good news for pete buttigieg and bad news for joe biden. in the boston globe's daily tracking poll from new hampshire, buttigieg is now closing in on bernie sanders, who's in first place at 24%. buttigieg is right behind at 23%, up four points since yesterday. while sanders is down one. elizabeth warren took the third place spot that biden held yesterday. she's now at 13%. with biden at 11%. that's where we are. >> adrienne, two wings now. we have the top progressive and the top moderate. that's bernie sanders and pete buttigieg. that's how it played out in iowa. then we have the second tier, progressive, and the second tier

moderate, and that, of course, is elizabeth warren and joe biden, and it looks like some polls we've seen over the past couple of days are bearing that out again as it was in iowa. so it looks like it may be in new hampshire. >> oosh. >> we'll see what happens on tuesday, joe. the first state where people are actually voting, not caucuses in the democratic primary process, but you know, think about this. last week during, you know, sort of the fiasco that was monday night in iowa, you'll recall mayor pete went out there pretty early on. gave a really resounding speech. took advantage of the vacuum that existed in the national media while all the cable pundits all of us talking what's going on. when are the results coming in? all of this air time to fill. mayor pete went out quickly and spoke to the audience and sort of declared victory. at least gave very inspirational, you know, i feel pretty good about where i am type of speech. i think that really helped him.

he's been really, you know, playing up his iowa results even though, of course, we still don't know definitively who the winner is. it's obviously very close between him and bernie sanders. the point, he capitalized and that moment and continued to capitalize it throughout the course of the week. that's been very helpful to him. again, we're still, results are in but waiting for final tabulations. mayor pete said i did really fwhel iowa. message this effectively going into new hampshire and i think that's one of the reasons you see him get a bounce out of a state that is still, you know, kind of chaotic and we're still trying to figure out exactly what happened monday night. >> the bounce is bigger than our graphic indicates. put up the poll again. look how far people are up and down. that's over one day bp this is a four-day tracking poll. mayor pete up 12 points over the four days. biden down 7 points since then.

joe biden off the campaign trail yesterday. five days ahead of the vote back in wilmington with his campaign advisors figuring out what to do. they have a debate. if you were in that room what would you be saying to joe biden? >> joe, now or never. joe needs kind of a real breakout performance tonight. interesting, it's no surprise as biden goes down buttigieg goes up and kind of the anti-bernie thing. nowhere else to go. that's it. no other flavor in town, except -- i brought this up many timon on the show who's looming -- it's mike bloomberg. the more this kind of becomes a -- i think 538 has bernie sanders 50% chance getting the election now. as more as that continues to happen, bloomberg becomes a very viable option. he's doubled down. he's at 2,400 gross points, a tv watcher means that's all you see. i will contest you will continue

to see that rise. there's really panic setting in now and as well there should be. this was the worst week in democracy in my adult life. combine the acquittal. the scary thing is dysfunction in iowa gives trump a hand grenade from now until the election. if he loses the election, to say, always know what he was going to say. this is not a fair election. he has that hand grenade in his belt now, and to me it was just as devastating to democracy, what happened in iowa, as what happens with ukraine. >> mika -- >> don't disagree. >> sorry. going to say, mika. clear, too, joe biden knows there's a problem. a reason he came off the campaign trail. trying to reset there. by the way, before he gets to south carolina, which we keep talking about is his firewall, nevada. they've moved a bunch of ad money from south carolina to nevada because they know he can't do poorly in iowa, potentially nevada and still count on south carolina saving him. >> bad start to say the least.

next block we bring in steve kornacki to break it all down. right now back to the president's victory lap yesterday which started at the national prayer breakfast. conservative writer and thought leader arthur brooks spoke right before the president about the teachings of jesus christ to love your enemies. a message the president said he doesn't agree with. >> ask god to give you the strength to do this hard thing. to go against your human nature to follow jesus' teaching. you believe jeessus' teaching, , too, to love your enemies. does god to take political contempt from your heart and sometimes when it's just too hard, ask god to help you fake it. >> i don't know if i agree with you. but i don't know if arthur's going to like what i'm going to say. i don't like people who use

their faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong. nor do i like people whom say, i pray for you. when they know that that's not so. >> we did a prayer breakfast this morning and i thought that was really good. ip had nancy pelosi sitting four seats away and i'm saying things that a lot of people wouldn't have said, but i meant everything. i meant every word of it. >> they're vicious and mean. vicious. these people are vicious. adam schiff is a vicious, horrible person. nancy pelosi is a horrible person. and she wanted to impeach a long time ago when she said, i pray for the president, i pray for the president, she doesn't pray -- she may pray but she prays for the opposite, but i doubt she prays at all and these are vicious people. >> you know, evangelicals, anybody that's grown up in a church, evangelical church, catholic church, christian

church, understands the blasphemy there. they really do. you had donald trump first of all saying, i don't agree with you, arthur. well, it wasn't arthur he was disagreeing with. it was the words of jesus christ. he was disagreeing with. but this is a man, and -- you know, franklin graham, you know this. this is a man that has said he's never had to ask jesus christ for forgiveness before. this is a man who never read the bible his entire life. he handed me a bible one time early fall of 2015 his mother gave him. it's obvious it hadn't been opened for 40 years. he talked about two corinthians, couldn't name a single book in the bible. he couldn't tell you the difference between the new and old testament, and yesterday he mocked the words of jesus christ. now, listen, since franklin

graham and jerry falwell jr., robert jefferies and all of these other so-called religious leaders are not telling those of you who weren't raised in the church why it was so grotesque for people at the national prayer breakfast and in the white house to be laughing at donald trump mocking the words of jesus christ, let a twice divorced back-slidden baptist tell you. let me read you the words that the president of the united states as a national prayer breakfast was mocking yesterday. and how sad. think about it. how sad. not a single evangelical leader came out yesterday and stood up for the words in the gospel of jesus christ. taken from the sermon on the mount. these aren't footnotes from

nahoom. take it from the sermon on the mount, the centerpiece of the gospels. jesus said this -- you have heard it said, love your friends and hate your enemies, but i tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons and daughters of your father in heaven. if you love only those who love you, what reward will you get? and do not even evil men do that? and if you greet only your brothers, only your friends, what are you doing more than others? do not even pagans do that? be perfect, therefore, as arthur brooks was saying yesterday, as your heavenly father is perfect. it is the centerpiece, jon

meacham, whether you were a believer or not, it is the centerpiece of the gospels of jesus christ to love your enemies, to forgive those who have persecuted you, and to show mercy and kindness and meekness. that should be your goal, and yesterday at something called the "national prayer breakfast," donald trump mocked the words of jesus christ, and he got applause for it. i'm marking yesterday as a dark day, not only in the history of this country, but in the history of the modern evangelical movement, because i heard nobody, nobody, that supported donald trump stand up for the words of jesus christ, and here i am, like i said, a guy who's been divorced twice. a guy who's a back-slidden

baptist, i'm having to do this? where are the religious leaders of the day to do this? or to talk about the good samaritan? or to talk about why it is unchrist-like to put children in cages? or to talk about why it's unchrist-like to reward the richest of the rich while hurting the poorest of the poor? where -- are -- these -- men? >> well, all right. so -- at the top to stipulate, judge not lest ye be judged. i'll be very careful here. because as you say, you're a back-sliding baptist. i'm an imperfect episcopalian which is redundant. so stipulate all that. >> very redundant. come from a family of episcopalians, jon, so -- >> my father was there all the

time. i loveepiscopalians so go ahead. >> only six of us left, so you'll help our numbers there. so a couple of things. one is, what it's going on with the evangelical movement is that they've replaced the basic theological vision of the new testament, which grew, of course, out of the hebrew bible and the story of salvation with idolatry of temple power decided that judges, that access to the halls of power, that that is, in fact, more important than the incredibly difficult hard work of the message, of putting the message into action that you're talking about. they're violating a commandment in the psalms, to put not thy trust in prithsnces.

the initial separation of the wall between church and state was not about initially protecting the state from the church, but the church from the state. the ancient thinkers worried about this. roger williams, founder of rhode island, worried about this. richard hooker, the anglcan worried about this. they were right. looking for a more vivid example, you'll not find a more vivid example of that than in the east room of the white house yesterday. you know, abigail adams used to hang her laundry in the east room and i don't think we've made much progress, given what unfolded. i think that -- the central point of the religious, the role of religion in politics, i believe, has been not to be a dominant force but to be an informing one.

one. great insights of the american experiment. that you can't banish religion from the public square. so you have to manage it and marshal it, and our best political eras have done that. and i wonder, i wonder this. two things, really. one is, the culture that trump embodies and now perpetuates is the reason we need more of the religiously inspired values in the public square. the religiously inspired values of grace, generosity, humility. i may not have all the answers, what reinhold neeber called, the sad duty of politics is to establish justice in a sinful world. that was the epigraph, mika in jimmy carter's "why not the best?" in 1976. >> wow. ewe. >> it was the way he started that campaign. and, remember, 40 years ago, 44

years ago now, the evangelical that word became prominent in american culture. not because of the right, but because of jimmy carter. he's the one who brought that as a, helped bring that as a force into the mainstream of american politics. >> right. >> after watergate. >> yeah. >> second thing on this, i think, is -- our best moment, arguably, as a country from abolition forward was the 1960s. in the sense of the civil rights acts, the voting rights act, the end of jim crow. jim crow would not have ended in our common, native region, joe, without the christian church. the christian church offered a critique, love your enemies, that found expression through the means of gandhi, but the central insight. look at "strive towards

freedom," the martin luther king story, it is how the sermon on the mount redeemed america's sense. i wonder if we don't need to, with john lewis, with the great heroes of that movement, if we don't need to recover this idea of a kind of christian-inspired resistance to this will to power that has taken center place in our politics? >> yeah. yeah. thank you so much for all of that, jon meacham. proving willie geist once again that episcopalian homilies are more thoughtful and longer than fiery baptist -- >> i have a quick question. where do cranky jews come into all this? >> i'm getting to you right now. >> it started in leviticus. >> everything started in leviticus, of course. so, donny, nobody's asking donald trump to drag jesus into the public square. right? and this isn't even about donald

trump and jesus. this is about the people laughing at this president while he is mocking the gospel of jesus christ. and, again -- they're free to do whatever they want to do. >> might have been nervous laughter. >> i'm looking at the evangelical leaders who have yet to, if not call him out, gently correct him for the guidance of their own followers! and that is the spiritual -- let's talk about the temporal. let's talk about the seculasecu. let's talk about what happened inside of that white house that is a stain on american democracy. again, i'm not being melodramatic. it is a stain. not on donald trump. he is already stained. he is forever stained. it is a stain on those men and women who sat in there knowing that what mitt romney said was right.

knowing that half of what lamar alexander said was right, knowing what the president of the united states was wrong and yet they stood there like scared little children just hoping the president would call their name out, and isn't that cute? i hope they enjoyed yesterday, because it was a very bad day. not only for the republican party, but for this constitutional republican uk. >> joe, reminded me of the equally pathetic day in the, in the oval -- not the oval house. in the white house, when they went around the room and all kind of bowed their heads to their fearless leader. it's -- it's so ironic. don trump jr., who is just such a vulgar human being used vulgarity, this week, to refer to mitt romney, who is an american hero and might point that word to those people in that room. >> by the way, donny, just to let you know, it's the same

word, not saying it on the air, it's the same word that donald trump used in the "access hollywood" tape when he said you could grab women in a certain place and they'd let you do it, because you were famous. >> yeah. >> so don junior used that same word this week. >> yeah. a class act. i still as one of the great -- i always thought i understood people for a living i kind of tried to plug into behavior. i don't understand the humanity, the sense of self that allows them to look in the mirror and take that even broader as we see in the gallup poll, 49% of this country, half this country thinks trump is doing a good job. stop looking in the mirror at this country. we cannot longer just point at that guy. >> no. >> that's right. >> really at play, the soul of who we are. we can't make it about him. now it's about us. now it is about us. >> the soul of america. >> it's on us. >> soul of america, you might

say. joe, underscore the point about the evangelical leaders and ben howell made a book ap this, about the immoral majority exactly what jon described, trading power forechristian values. on sunday after the super bowl franklin graham wrote a long facebook post where he was very, very upset about j. lo shaking her butt and upset about the loss of decency in this country. yesterday after the national prayer breakfast, on twitter, on social media, he heaped praise on donald trump and thanked him for protecting christians in this country. there is the hypocrisy right in front of you. worried about the loss of decency with j. lo but not with donald trump. >> and yet celebrates, mika, a man, and celebrates actually being in the prayer breakfast while the man is mocking the words of jesus, and undercutting one of the central tenants of jesus' ministry. there you go.

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with both sides claiming victory. this, as the head of the democratic national committee, called what happened in iowa a major league failure, and now wants a "surgical recanvas." meanwhile, seven of the democratic presidential candidates will take to the stage tonight in manchester, new hampshire, for the party's second debate of the year. the weekend will be filled with candidates crisscrossing the state to make the closing arguments to voters before tuesday's vote. >> so i want to go right now quickly to donny deutsch, because we talked last segment about, of course, the, just the atrocities of the freak show that took place yesterday in washington, d.c. now let's just talk pure power politics. not about what should be but about what is, and let's talk about what an absolutely horrible day, what an absolutely horrible week, this has been politically for the democratic party. donald trump has been acquitted. he's sitting at 49% in the

gallup poll. i think that's an outlier especially if he got to 40% got down after yesterday, reminding everybody of his horrible traits. while all this was going on, the democratic party assuring is this is the most important election of our lifetimes that this is what matters most, that the resistance starts now, that this is when we go after donald trump and bring him down and save democracy! they can't even run a caucus. >> hmm. >> so what -- forget about what we're all saying inside the bubble. what do you think, donny, americans are saying? aren't they probably saying right now, okay, wait a second. i saw that guy in the state of the union. he's a little crazy but things are going well, my business is going really well and i have democrats that want to replace him and they can't even run a

caucus in iowa. how bad is that for the democratic brand right now? >> bad. weak. impote impotent. dysfunctional. say what you want about president trump, joe, he's up there pounding his chest. and it benefits buttigieg and bloomberg, the two outsiders, if you will. you can't run against the democratic party. you got to run against trump, but they're the two because they have not been in the public discussion, in the national discussion as candidates, you know, until now, and buttigieg in the last year. bloomberg the last few months. so they have the ability to step outside it and say this is a new party. a new beginning. the other ones, more traditional establishment candidates can't do that. i will tell you something. what happened iowa, say it again, just as bad as now kind of coronating a monarch in the white house with what we did with an acquittal because donald trump is a dog with a bone and

he will not let go of this. our national elections are now in play as a questionable institution, and that is the last bastion. it was devastating, what happened. >> yeah. you know, willie, so donald trump's brand is all strength. everything he does. you know, i've said before, you know, i knew this guy, and -- i -- i -- how he was behind closed doors. how he was personally, at least to a lot of people who knew him in manhattan, far different than how he was publicly. when he got behind microphones, the only thing he cared about was projecting strength. even if it made him a bad human being. and, in fact, the campaign, his campaign, they're returning with commercials that say in effect, yes, donald trump is a bad man, but we don't need a good man right now. we need a strong man. and all campaigns are about

contrast. all good campaigns are about contrast. this week has provided the starkest contrast that donald trump could ever hope for. strength on his side. against just inaptitude. it reminds me of the old "simpsons" show where they went to the democratic national convention, and they held up a big sign that said "we can't run anything." their banner for the convention, and this is what donald trump and republicans are going to be saying this week. >> yeah. not just the big picture they want to run the country but some of these candidates want to take over the health care system. like how the iowa caucus went, wait until you see health care. what republicans are saying. talk to people around the president and people at the white house, gleeful. impeachment, saw that bizarre celebration by the president yesterday. he gave what they thought was a good and strong state of the union speech, despite all the lies inside of it, and on the

other side, they watched the chaos in iowa, and the slippage of joe biden. the candidate they feared the most going in, how do we know they feared him the most? he got impeached for what he did to try to vab porize joe biden' candidacy. national political correspondent for nbc news and msnbc author of "the red and the blue," steve kornacki over at the big board. waking up a fourth morning without clarity what exactly happened in iowa. we have 100% of the vote in but don't quite know what happened because as you've reported, nbc's reporting, there are inaccuracies in the numbers. >> yeah. the reality is, we may never know with 100% clarity who won the iowa caucuses in 2020 on the democratic side. what we can tell you is, with what the iowa democratic party tells us is all of the votes recorded, it is a two-state delegate equivalent lead for pete buttigieg over bernie sanders.

that is 0.1 of one point. put it in perspective. four years ago, all-nighter in iowa. folks, closest democratic caucuses ever. bernie sanders lost to hillary clinton by four state delegate kwiv lengths. that was shockingly close. it's even closer this year. the margin of the iowa democratic party is telling us this, too. our decision desk, other news organizations have gone and looked. iowa state democratic party has made a lot of the documentation, a lot of the tally sheets that they use at these precincts, at these counties, for these caucuses. made them available. they have taken a look at them. a lot have been circulated online. our decision desk says there are lots of errors. clearly tabulation errors that exist out there in a race this close, that that fact casts doubt on, do you know that buttigieg is really first? do you know sanders is really second? when it's that close. the other thing we talked all yesterday morning. remember the satellite caucuses? basically like absentee voting.

had a few of these throughout the state on caucus day for folks who couldn't go out at night. a real question whether the state democratic party used the correct formula to calculate the delegates from the satellite caucuses. again that has direct bearing on sanders. could be a distinction of three or four of these state delegates for sanders. reality is -- by the way campaigns have until this afternoon to say they want a recanvas here. the reality, probably the best estimate we'll have and if you want to call it a dead heat, that's fair. >> and bernie sanders told morgan radford here at nbc news in an interview, i won because i got the most votes. as you now we think mayor pete buttigieg won. steve, ask about that globe suffolk poll out of new hampshire that shows the four-day tracking. big bump for pete buttigieg. big slide for vice president biden. >> you can see what that is. it's not coming, this buttigieg gain from sanders.

sanders stable all week. you've got buttigieg there getting separation from the rest. one group in particular that stands out in terms of leaving biden and flooding to pete buttigieg. it seniors. 65-plus. talked so much about biden's strength among the oldest democrat graphic. conversely, sanders strength among the youngest. the oldest democrat graphic in the new hampshire polling in this tracking poll is moving rapidly away from biden and to pete buttigieg. obviously the question here is, can buttigieg continue to consolidate? could he pass sanders? sanders, is there an opportunity for sanders to grow further? show you this. one other poll came out yesterday that might be interesting. narrowed choices to four for people, these four candidates to see how new hampshire voters would respond. check out what you found there. in that situation, you got buttigieg and sanders now up fleer 30%. they had biden and warren a little further down. seeing separation between buttigieg and sanders. we have seen candidates like

buttigieg come in from iowa with a head of steam, move up rapidly. sometimes just keep going. gary hart did it in 1984. won by double digits. sometimes stall. marco rubio stalled famously in 2016 on the republican side. got that debate tonight. let's see if that has impact. certain did in 2016 with rubio. >> joe biden back from delaware, back on the campaign trail and a debate again tonight. steve kornacki at that board literally every moment of that week. thanks so much. mika? coming up, how an entire campaign can turn on a single moment. we'll take you back to what happened in new hampshire 40 years ago. "morning joe" is back in just a moment. i'm your 70lb st. bernard puppy, and my lack of impulse control, is about to become your problem. ahh no, come on. i saw you eating poop earlier. hey! my focus is on the road, and that's saving me cash with drivewise. who's the dummy now?

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tonight the top democratic contenders will debate each other in new hampshire just days before that state's primary, and if you think that what happens tonight likely won't have much of an impact on the race, consider what happened back in 1980. when the republican race that year turned on a single debate moment. here's how nbc news covered the story 40 years ago.

>> the people of nashville came early for the debate looking perhaps for political excitement not expecting drama developing inside. about 2,000 people filled the high school gymnasium. at one end of the hall, three tables for george bush, ronald reagan and the moderator. since this afternoon reagan had been trying to enlarge the debate 0 to include an republican candidates. sponsor of the encounteral national telegraph refused. reagan claimed since he paid for the confrontation he had the right to change the ground rules. a quarter hour after the debate was supposed to start george bush entered the hall. a moment later a very angry ronald reagan strommed on to the platform. he didn't come alone. he brought four other candidates with him on to the stage. originally planned as a one-on-one between reagan and bush the other republicans failed in their attempt to get themselves included after coming to the debate creating near bedlam. >> at the end of the debate, we

will allow these four people to make statements. >> reporter: then the moderator and editor of the paper set the rules for the debate. when ronald reagan tried to protest, he attempted to have his microphone turned off. >> will the sound man please turn mr. reagan's microphone off for the moment. >> could you turn that microphone off? >> i am paying for this microphone tonight. >> reporter: never mind that that line echoed the 1948 classic film "state of the union." >> don't you shut me off. i paid for this broadcast. >> i was perfectly willing to say that if we could not all debate, that then i would not debate. and yet there are people tell me it would be unfair to all of you if we did not continue with the debate but i want you to know

the circumstances. >> reporter: with that reagan accompanied the four candidates to the edge of the stage as they left. a gesture of protest against the newspaper and george bush. >> through all this bush said nothing. until called on to do so by editor breen. >> i have been invited here as a guest of the nashua newspaper. i will play by their rules. they are free to make any rules they want on it. i am their guest and very glad to be here. thank you very, very much. >> bush may have blown it merely by sticking with the two-man format. reagan did what his managers said he would do. come here and fight. >> a pro-bush newspaper with bushes hem wouldn't allow anybody but ronald reigh ton debate with bush and the other republicans are furious. or they say they are. >> it is the rawest political deal i have been through in 15 years of politics. >> i'll never understand george bush's attitude as long as i live. they stiffed us, what they did. they stiffed us. >> george bush is accusing his fellow republican candidates of ganging up on him. >> won't have effect on the party. it's politics.

set up by reagan. >> what actually happened there tonight? was george bush the man responsible or other candidates playing along with reagan in an effort to hearse bush? all out to get bush? >> i don't think it started that way. bush caught in the middle of something he thought he could take advantage of and turned out he couldn't. >> george bush, a lot of people thought should have just said, hey, look. i know these guys. debating all over the country. get four more chairs up here, but he didn't. >> reagan campaigning in new hampshire today continuing to deny he was part of any plot to gang up on george bush. reagan's people clearly think he won the night. >> wow. by the way, that debate was not televised. so all new hampshire voters saw, all they saw the news coverage that followed that moment. bush never recovered in that campaign. reagan beat him 2-1 in new hampshire and went on to win the nomination. no hard feelings, though. he made bush his running mate.

the rest is history, as they say. >> jon meacham, seems like an inside deal of the bushes of kennebunkport and the nashua newspaper. as the brzezinskis of northeast harbor have always said, kenny kunkpo kennebunkport is nothing but northern new hampshire. cooking going on there, home cooking. grabbed the mic, before breen, i paid for that microphone is see as one of the defining moments in modern american politics. >> it was. i talked to president bush about that a good bit because it was so uncharacteristic for him, as brokaw said in realtime there. george bush's ordinary instinct would have been, come on, let's all just do this. he was angry, because gordon humphrey, who was a very, very

conservative senator, had confronted him right before he came out, and bush had been put back on his heels a bit. he also said, president bush admitted, he said, not my finest hour, when he sat there and stared straight ahead. it is amazing when you think about it, of the political talent on that stage. think about it. you had two american presidents, howard baker, bob dole, john anderson, phil crane, and the other thing that bob dole said that night to jim baker was, i'm going to clean this up for the morning audience, we'll get you. you'll hear about this. and yet one nice thing about america in all of this is, remember how bob dole said farewell to george h.w. bush? remember when he was lifted out of the chair. >> beautiful. >> in the capitol rotunda to

salute george bush. that was an era where you go from that kind of divisiveness to a salute in camaraderie. >> a beautiful moment, and adrienne elrod, just looking back at that, that moment, it made perfect sense for george h.w. bush, who had shocked reagan in iowa, just the week before, had momentum going into new hampshire. >> yeah. >> to want the one-on-one shot with the front-runner and not have had cluttered with all the other people on the stage. if you're the president just pulled off the upset and man wanted to be you against the political king at the time, and that wone-on-one battle made perfect sense for him. >> a reminder still to this day optics are everything. it's how you message your campaign. sort of goes back to what we said about mayor pete earlier. he declared essentially declared he won iowa, did very well in iowa, before the results were

tallied. recall in 2016, joe, hillary clinton's campaign, our campaign, did the same thing. before the results can totaled, we knew that based on ourp precincts and we tallied we thought we could declare victory and move forward. it's the optics, how you message this. so far you've seen from pete buttigieg's campaign where he might have had a deficit to an extent in the polls, his talented campaign staff made up for that and really took advantage and seized the moment just like you saw back there in 1980. one more thing about new hampshire which i think is fascinating about mayor pete's rise in polls. new hampshire voters tend to favor somebody from a neighboring state. right? look back at 2016. bernie sanders winning. they like somebody from a neighboring state. the fact that mayor pete is doing so well there in surged significantly over the past ten days or so, bodes well for him in this campaign. >> adrienne ed rod, jon meacham,

thank you both for being on this morning. what a week. still ahead, throughout the impeachment trial president trump's legal team and congressional defenders argued that trump was concerned about all corruption in ukraine. >> of course. >> yesterday the president made it pretty clear he was focused on the bidens. that's ahead on "morning joe." what's important to you. saving for ava's college. being able to retire on our terms. taking care of dad.

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this president as you know is going to take acquittal and think i can keep doing this. >> no, i don't think that. >> you think he has regret with what he did? >> i think he'll be instructed by what has occurred here. >> now we have that gorgeous word. never thought a word would sound so good. it's called total acquittal. >> are you confident he won't do this again? >> i think he knows now that if he is trying to do certain things, whether it's ferreting out corruption there in afghanistan, whatever it is, he needs to go through the proper

channels. >> did nothing wrong. did nothing wrong. >> a call like that gets you an impeachment i would think you would think twice before he did it again. >> think of it. a phone call. a very good phone call. i know bad phone calls. >> i believe that the president has learned from this case. the president has been impeached. that's a pretty big lesson. >> and we were treated unbelievably unfairly, and you have to understand, we first went through russia, russia, russia. it was all bull [ bleep ]. >> why do you have that feeling he has changed? that he learned a lesson? >> i may not be correct on that. >> uh-huh. >> yeah. >> you're not. >> you may not be correct. in fact, you're completely incorrect, and -- >> you know it. that's the thing. you know it. >> the president's making a fool

of every single republican we just showed there, and they know it. you knew it when you were saying it. you knew it before you said it. you knew it during the time that you were saying it, and you know it now. but you did it anyway. >> let's break it down. you knew it. >> a tiny bit unpatriotic, susan collins. to really think the president might, you might be incorrect? the president maybe didn't learn a lesson shaking down a foreign leader for dirt on a political rivg rival? mading sorting leading to deaths of ukrainians can which i know some trump supporteders don't know it when i say that but that's the reality. that's your legacy. >> and certainly were certain diplomats have said. take the word of trumpets or foreign diplomats. >> have fun living with that your legacy. >> it's not just susan collins. it's cory gardner, lamar

alexander, willie, who know what the president did was wrong. >> moscow mitch. >> who know -- moscow mitch wouldn't even, wouldn't even answer the question. what the president did, was it right? >> can't see all that money from russia. >> so -- they know what he did is wrong. they tell everybody who will listen when the cameras are off that they know what he's doing is wrong. and yet they all show up in a pep rally hoping that maybe he'll say their name or maybe as he walks by his garment will brush by their hands. it's really -- it is -- it is -- it is laughably. >> frightening and pathetic. >> preposterous. mika says frighteningly preposterous. it can be both at the same time. that's where we are. >> two things can be true. >> not one of the people we just showed there, no the one of those senators is a dumb person. so that only leaves one other option.

you're being dishonest. >> yeah. >> so you can't sit there and say with a straight face, oh, my gosh. he's chasant. he learned his lesson. he realizes -- as we said a couple days ago after that first susan collins statement came out, the lesson he learned is that he can get away with it. he was acquitted of impeachment. >> you know that. >> the lesson he learned even if the house votes to say he did something wrong he has a group of republicans in the senate who will let him get away with anything. that's the lesson. if you actually thought he was chasi chasing, joe, we'll play sound, watch that event in the east room. does that look like somebody who's learned his lesson and won't do it again? come on. >> the only lesson that donald trump learns is this republican congress will allow him to get away with anything. they will allow him to breach constitutional norms. they will allow him to breach societal norms. they will allow him to breach

political norms. even in the prayer breakfast allow him to breach religious norms and they just bow their heads to him. bow their heads on bended knees frightened of a tweet. frightened that he might give them a nickname that makes them sad, that embarrasses them. well, you know what? that is who they've become mika, and you really -- as an american, if you're concerned, you have reason to be even more concerned, because after we said this last hour, the day after robert mueller's testimony, and the day after donald trump figured the worst had occurred for him, in the mueller investigation, that's when he picked up the phone and he called and democratic ally, whose country had been invaded by russia, by russian troops, and he said, i'm not going to be giving you your military aid, in so many words. a quid pro quo. and shut it down, unless you

investigate the bidens, but i need you to do something for me, he said. and we now have all of the testimony. we're going to have even more when john bolton makes his $2 million off a book, because he cares more about making money than this country. so when john bolton makes his $2 million off of his book, and then deigns to tell us the truth about it, mika, we'll know just how ugly it actually was. believe it or not, as ugly as the fact pattern is behind what donald trump did that day, and over the weeks, it's only going to get worse. and those republicans that are acting that way. >> uh-huh. >> they are going to be liable for every subsequent act that americans learn of. >> that's correct. donny deutsch is still with us. joining the conversation we have political writer for the "new york times" and msnbc political analyst nick confessore. nbc news and msnbc contributor,

shawna thomas and in manchester, new hampshire, msnbc's national affairs analyst co-host of showtime's "the circus" editor in cheer of "the recount" a better name after iowa. john heilemann. >> of course, last night, call me at 3:00 in the morning on the red phone. >> yeah. >> the hot line. the heilemann hot line lights up and, of course, we have the ringer off but i see a red light and the amber glow all over the room. go over, pick it up, you whisper to me, biden's going all-in. explain! okay. maybe it didn't happen that way. maybe just texted me five minutes ago, but, still. come on. have a little creative license with it. anyway, you say, regardless of how it was transmitted to me, you told me, you're hearing on the ground, biden's going all-in. all or nothing with new

hampshire? >> i like that version of events better and i was just going to say i enjoy the fact i can call night or day and you know some of the circumstances are not that plercasant yet you always pick up the phone. always pick up the red phone when it goes off. i appreciate that. >> i know the best bell bondsman throughout, the best bail bondsman. exactly. go ahead. report, report, my man. >> been here four days now and haven't been in jail yet. that's good. making progress. yes. the reality is that i think that the biden campaign faced a pretty significant -- they're reeling from what happened in iowa, despite the fact a lot of us said for a year that they could have problems there. they kept telling us, you remember, you know, we have south carolina, our firewall, doesn't matter. even said explicitly a few months ago in the fall, come in fourth in iowa. fine. survivable. the reality set in of what happened. came in fourth in iowa, and the sheen, the argument, the

electability argument suddenly was laid, if not bare as bankrupt, at least is in question now. if you, if you're joe biden you've lost to bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and pete buttigieg, all in this first contest. raises questions for a lot of voters. are you really able to beat donald trump? the whole premise of the biden candidacy. they recognized they're in trouble and i think they know they need what they would say is a strong finish here. what they think that means is, it's either first or second, or this, the whole thing could, the wheels could come off the wagon quickly. they've decided to really go all-in here not just in terms of things you've seen from biden already on the ground. criticizing rivals, criticizing sanders and mayor pete, also down in delaware doing debate prep. took him out of the state for a day and a half to get him away from the campaign trail to focus. understand how important this debate is tonight. and with the relatively limited funds they have in the kitty right now, bought up a bunch of

airtime in new hampshire the last four days, seems like a pretty risky or gutsy move, as i say, given they are not capitalized in the way that bernie sanders is or mayor pete is going forward. looks to me like kind of pushing all the chips in the middle. either going to work or it's not. >> of course yesterday the last thing they needed, actually the past two days, a series of articles in national publications and on national news outlets of the campaign back biting each other, stabbing people in the back. trying to lay blame for the terrible iowa finish. >> right. it happens like that every time. joe, the most disciplined campaigns in the wake of a disaster often that thing happens. the staff starts talking to the press and start trying to protect themselves and forget who they work for, which is the candidate. but this campaign had a lot of that in truth over the course of its whole time. think back to the beginning of the campaign. biden, things have gone wrong.

there's been the kind of worrying signs of are this from the outset that there were a lot of kind of loose lip staffers who like to talk on background and off the record to reporters when biden would get in a little trouble. more about trying to make sure the press knew that the staff warned against this or that or tried to do this or that rather than recognizing those moments when loyalty to the candidate who you work for is the most important thing. none of this surprises me but it is not great and helps kind of adds to the atmosphere of tension and -- and drama, and not good drama, the kind of no drama you like to avoid around the campaign right now. >> shawna, steve kornacki last hour said we may never know who won the 2020 iowa caucuses. he's watched, looked at every conceivable number. spends every waking moment looking at it and says we'll never know. >> every moment of every day. >> senator sanders and mayor

buttigieg did well, however they come in. off we go now to new hampshire. looks like that theme is continuing. look at the tracking and the trends in this poll, this is the snapshot poll now this morning. the tracking poll. look at the way it's going. look at the trend lines for mayor buttigieg on one hand and vice president biden on the other. >> yeah. i think because we keep wanting to also cast forward to south carolina for joe biden. is this his black people firewall in some ways? one thing i keep thinking about is 2008 and president obama and his polling in south carolina before iowa was not great. then he won in iowa, and black people said, oh. maybe white people will vote for this guy. i don't think we can underestimate the fact that black people can analyze everything just like everybody else, and if they come out -- you see iowa and you see new hampshire and joe biden isn't doing well, predominantly in the white states, who get this outsized opinion in the

election, though iowa may not get that anymo going forward, they're going to look around and say, wait. who do people think can actually beat the president of the united states? >> right. >> hmm. >> and then south carolina isn't a firewall anymore. everyone is looking at the trends. everyone in entrants polling, nbc's entrants polling said, okay. number one message people care about is, can you beat president trump? right? no one, there was no consensus on that out of iowa. see if there's consensus, and because it's a primary, it will be, we'll say, okay. this amount of people think they can beat president trump. but everyone is trying to figure that out with their own calculus and if -- if it doesn't look like people think joe biden can do it, that doesn't mean he automatically goes on and wins south carolina. >> right. we're not writing epitaphs certainly at this point. got four days to the vote. but the entire rationale for joe biden's campaign is, don't worry. i'm the guy who can quinn. i'm the electable guy, can go head to head.

you got to get to donald trump before you make that case and he hasn't made the case in iowa certainly. it if you believe polling at this point, things could change late-breaking in new hampshire, not going to make the case there either. >> right. look, if the entire rationale for your campaign is i can win, you have to actually win elections to make that rationale work. black voters, yes, in south carolina watching him. people in color of this electorate have the most to lose in the selection in some ways. most at stake. very atuned to his arguments that he can win. but if he can't show some victory moves here, it's going to hurt him. let's just say the polling in iowa and the polling in new hampshire show a fairly tightly clustered race. got a bunch of candidates, between 11% and 26%, obviously a lot better to be at the top end there, way better, but this is not the sign of an electorate of the party rapidly coalescing in making a decision. >> picking up off that, joe,

also, where you were in the last hour with the word "strength." one of the things that hurt biden. going in people perceived, big, tall, vice president. exude and anti-trump strength, which has not translated. i think -- you said it so -- so succinctly that trump's brand is strength and my concern frankly about all of these candidates, which of them is exudes guttural strength? go candidate by candidate, that's a real issue. underneath trump the strength, a whimpering little, you know, baby, i'll use, i could use a horrible bunch of words, but he exudes it. it's there, it's guttural, people will respond to it. my big concern about democrats one by one, who has that s word? >> well, it is actually very calculated. donald trump's public image is obviously very calculated. so calculated that it, it is far

different than how he used to act in social settings. donny, as you know, as reverend al knows, as we know, as willie and other people that knew donald trump around manhattan, but he's always believed that in public, the second he was behind a microphone, that it was more important for him to be strong than to have any other character trait. he could be seen as a horrible human being. that would be fine. he would prefer to be seen as a horrible human being as a public figure, so long as he was never seen as weak. and john heilemann, we've talked about it before, but this is a guy who actually is running commercials, his campaign is running commercials, that in effect say, yes, he's a terrible guy, but it doesn't matter. >> right. >> we don't need a good guy right now. we need a strong guy.

and when democrats botch an election and prove that the same party that wants to run your health care and your family's health care and choose a doctor for your aging mother, or choose a pediatrician for your child, when they can't run a little caucus out of a midwestern state, there's donald trump. suddenly looking even stronger. and suddenly -- being able to double down on all of this arguments against the effefectl democratic party. >> you and i talk about this. it's a terrible look for the party. if you go out into, out of the realm of the political experts and savvy people or whatever, and talk to normal people in america, what most of them have been paying attention for the election the last year. iowa caucus was the first thing they would pay attention to. the starting gun. okay. what they saw was a -- a kind of

goat rodeo. right? that plays to a lot of badstier -- stereo, not able to organize a funeral and all that. caricatu caricatures. the average american, check in on the democrats. what is this? what's going on here? you guys can't organize this vote of less than 200,000 people on a monday night in iowa. back to what donny said and a question of strength. i make one point in favor of joe biden and a lot of -- there are a lot of different democrats. there are other definitions of strength than donald trump's definition of strength. i think david axelrod famously always said that in a general election which you look for is not a replica but a remedy. right? the candidates who generally emerge as nominees in their parties are successful are not carbon copies of the people trying to replace.

a mirror image quality. barack obama mirror image of george w. bush. he of bill clinton. donald trump mirror image of barack obama. they don't replicate each other. right? joe biden, just to take him. what joe biden has donald trump has none of, i'm sure no one on that set now will disagree with me. joe biden is the exemptlar of empathy. the most profoundly empathetic person. suffered so much. seen him on the campaign trail connecting in a deep way with voters at every stop he goes to, what he hasn't been able to do take that empathy, something presidents utterly bankrupt. look at joe biden's empathy in general as a quality they would like to see in their president. biden failed to turn that quality into a political asset and an able to turn it into votes basically. that's the challenge for all of these candidates going forward. not to be like donald trump but

figure out a different definition's strength and take the mirror image of donald trump and use them against him when they get to face of a general election and convince voters now that will be the kryptonite allowing them to win the election in november. >> and shawna thomas, then there's elizabeth warren. what's going on with her campaign? >> i mean, i think what we're seeing people haven't decided which progressive they actually like. in iowa, because of the caucus system, bernie sanders would have an outsized presence there and we saw it in 2016, too, and we were all less surprised this time. they haven't decided which progressive they think can beat donald trump, and you know, it's the elephant in the room. we talk about this. she is a woman. i think there is a question of, do people think a woman, i think -- do people think men will vote for a woman to then go head-to-head with president trump? and she has to figure out how to message that.

but the one message seems all of these people need to do in new hampshire and going forward is, i am the person who can beat donald trump and here is why. because they can't run on the economy. it's not their economy. it's president trump's economy now. >> right. >> we can say, okay, president barack obama had a lot to do with the fact our economy is in a much better place, but president trump gets to win that argument and we know that. so what statement makes you stand out so that you can beat this president? and that is frankly, the only message people should be hitting at the debate in new hampshire on friday night that maybe somebody will watch. >> so shawna, do you have any reporting or any working theory at least on what's caused elizabeth warren's precipitous to decline over the past two months? a lot of people pointed to her actually talking about how much medicare for all would cost, but bernie hasn't even tried to respond. guess what? i don't know. everybody clapped. but, you know, just two months

ago we were talking about what a stellar campaign she had run. she was in first place in national polls for the first time. and it has been, you know, one bad poll result after another for the past two months. and it's -- it's -- i will say still it is hard for me to figure out exactly why that is. do you have, do you have any reporting or theories on that? >> i don't have reporting. i think -- people are voting, joe. they are deciding who, who they think can beat president trump. and i think -- it's terrible, but i think it comes back to, you compare her to president trump, and you really worry. not that she can't beat him. not that she's not smart enough or good enough or has enough plans. you worry that men won't vote for her. you worry that -- >> hmm. >> -- some of what took down hillary clinton and by no means was that all the reason hillary clinton lost in 2016, but

electability comes back to this idea of who do you think your neighbors will vote for? and that's -- people are trying to figure that out, because democrats want to know who is going to gather everyone together and all going to show up and vote against president trump. right? and if you look around and your neighbors, they're not sure a woman can beat him, that starts to wear on a campaign. >> is it a woman or is it her? a certain strideness to her that, do we want to invite her in do our bedrooms and living rooms every day four years? she has the same issue bernie had. not a gender issue it's a likability issue. i think we have to be careful. an amazing woman would be a great anecdote to jon's point earlier, a different definition of strength if you will. strength to strength but a different way. but i don't think elizabeth warren's problem has been she's a woman. >> bernie's winning. >> sanders -- right. >> it's the -- >> she's way more likable than bernie sanders. >> i don't know. just saying it's important to point out a lot of voters in these primaries have pulled the

lever for bernie sanders before he had a movement, a movement before this election. people know him and if you are, like, true evolutionary in the race. the hardest left, and that's your brand. it is actually hard to live in the shadow of that and be the person who says, i'm a bit less left and a bit more sen trifrce. a harder lane to occupy. we're seeing left voters saying i'm going with bernie sanders. that's politics. >> he's been running for five years. >> yeah. >> end where we began on this discussion. if we want to talk about bernie versus elizabeth. elizabeth warren, of course, she's the one that goes out and shakes hands, and she'll do selfies for hours. throws herself in. >> she loves it. >> and, oh! she loves campaigning and throws. >> amazing. >> throws her heart and soul into it 100%. bernie, saw him last night on a cnn town hall meeting's he tried to smile onstage.

it didn't work. he kind of grinned, gritted his teeth. like, he's angry. okay? he's mad at hell and not going to take it anymother, and i just wonder if the age of trump, where trump's on people saying, yeah, he's a really bad guy. vote for him because these times call for a tough, really bad guy. i wonder if democrats are saying, like shawna suggested. maybe elizabeth warren is, is far more likable than bernie sanders? and maybe bernie's toughness, maybe bernie's anger, maybe how compelling bernie is onstage, so angry and constantly seemingly aggrieved, maybe that's what's attracting some of these early caucus and primary voters? >> might be. >> empathy does not seem to be up high on the list of many democratic voters right now. >> all right. shawna thomas, thank you so

much. i think bernie is a bigger conversation that we need to have. still ahead on "morning joe," trump district democrat congressman -- >> by the way, on that front. >> yeah? >> bernie is really compelling. even if i think his economic programs will bankrupt america, i will just say, as a, as pat buchanan used to say, he's a political athlete. bernie onstage is really compelling, and he pulls you in and he grabs you, and he convinces you that he can take it to donald trump and he can win. it is not a mystery why a lot of americans are following him. >> coming up, congressman shawn patrick maloney is standing by weighing in on the president's acquittal and performance we saw in washington yesterday. we will be right back. any comments doug? yeah. only pay for what you need with liberty mutual. only pay for what you need with liberty mutual. con liberty mutual solo pagas lo que necesitas.

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i don't like people who use their faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong. nor do i like people who say, i pray for you, when they know that that's not so. >> i don't know if the president understands about prayer or people who do pray, but we do pray for the united states of america. i pray hard for him, because he's so off the track of our constitution, our values, our country. he can say whatever he wants, but i do pray for him and i do so sincerely and without anguish. >> then you have some that use religion as a crutch. they never used it before. an article written today never heard him use it before. but today, you know, it's one of those things, but, you know, it's a failed presidential

candidate. so things can happen when you fail so badly running for president. >> i thought what he said about, what he said about senator romney was particularly without class. he's talking about things that he knows little about. faith and prayer. >> joining us now, a member of house intelligence committee democratic congressman sean patrick maloney of new york and "usa today" opinion column imt and senior adviser for house oversight and government committee, a "morning joe" contributor. start with you and then go to congressman maloney. you'd said democrats really need to double down on investigating the president. there's a lot of talk of that. what exactly do you mean at this point? can he be impeached again? >> he absolutely can be and it wouldn't shock me as more information comes out whether through ambassador bolton's book or subsequent testimony and

hearings that there's cause to impeach him again. democrats need to unleash and oversight tsunami on donald trump because they are the last check and balance that we have left. they need to assume that donald trump might very well win re-election and give us four more years of this. as we've seen, trump is going to use exactly the privilege to shield oversight. not comply with subpoenas, not participate in hearings. some of these things need to go to court. that's a long process that could take years. they can't wait to see if trump gets re-elected to start that process. they need to start right now, because if trump wins re-election we need some of these cases to come forward and be heard because they'll be our last stop gag to try to save our democracy. >> congressman maloney, what is headed to court isn't the process already under way to get information and documents that the white house is holding back on? because it does take a lot of time, and what about the thought of a second impeachment? >> well, look, we're going to

continue to do our jobs, and do the responsible thing, and do oversight of this president. i might need to speak to joe scarborough right now, about to make a johnny quest reference. remember johnny quest? >> oh, no, no. he does not. willie, do you? >> best friend haji. >> and dog bandit? >> yes. remember the one where the energy fired at the monster made him stronger and stronger? i think we have to be careful about whether we're -- see, pulling it together. we have to be careful about whether we are doing things that play into the president's hands while we conduct serious oversight, while we vindicate the powers of congress, while we insist that people who thumb their nose at congress are held in contempt while we get the facts out to the people, you bet. i also want to play on our side of the chess board sometime. i also want to take it to their side of the chess board i should probably say. in other words, our strength will be talking about issues that matter in terms of health care, terms of people's jobs, a

vision for the country. i do think we can't only talk about impeachment. we need to lay out a positive vision for the country. that's at least as important as continuing to hound the president. >> congressman donny deutsch. so glad you said that. continue with the i word, it's suicide. disgusting what happened but it happened. time to move on. having said that, a tough week for democrats in iowa. give me one blanket statement talking point, talking the last hour and a half, how weak and dysfunctional democrats looked and heal it has p really put a stain on the party going in. how do you turn it around? >> we should stop making excuses and take responsibility. we need to be able to run a lemonade stand. need to be able to go to the country and say we have our act together. first, get our own house in order. we need to step up and figure out how to run this process in a way people have confidence in. we need to put forward candidates who look like they

may be able to run america, not just counting people in a gymnasium. it's a fair criticism of the democratic party that we were not ready for primetime this week and time's running out. when you watch what the president has done in the last 48 hours, bringing the cadence and crudeness of his campaign into the well of the house, into the national prayer breakfast. into the east room. those are sacred spaces. and he has sullied them and is using the trappinging of power to drag this country into a place that we have never seen. the second term will be worse than the first. and we need to take this challenge more seriously than we saw in iowa this week. >> congressman, willie geist. ask you about the 18th congressional district in new york, because it's a fascinating one. voted democrat in presidential elections as long as i can remember. got tighter in 2012, but did vote to re-elect president obama and flipped by a couple points and voted for donald trump in 2016.

as we hit 2020, what is the vibe in that district? because it may be able to tell us something about the rest of the country and some of those other districts that have gone democrat and then over to trump? did impeachment help the president in your district, in your view? >> i can tell you i did four town halls this weekend. i can tell you that my district hoped for better from this president, and a lot of people who are sticking with him. you bet. i don't think we should kid ourselves that the president remains very popular with a certain group of voters who loved him before, they love him now. tell you what. when we're talking to sheet metal workers, electricians, plumbers, pipe fitters, farmers, military veterans that are the heart and soul of the district like mine, what they want to talk about is hey, can i retire some day with dignity? my mom is getting sick, bring her home and afford her health care? can my kid get to college? will i have to be in debt of rest mf my life? meet people where they are and talk like human beings, show we

want to address their issues not exploit them only, you can get between them and donald trump. that's frankly while they'll vote for a gay by with an interracial family same time voting for the president. because they are up for grabs if they think you understand their priorities. we just need to understand that. we just needs to understand that these are people looking for answers and hoping for the best. they hope for something from this president and i tell you i think he's exploiting their frustrations. we need to address it. >> so get your take on this example from yesterday as to how trump essentially tries to alter reality. take the case of republican senator tim scott of south carolina. now, senator scott is fully behind this president, he voted for hi acquittal and has been quite critical of democrats for impeaching the president, but senator scott has a number of times stopped short of saying

the president's call with president zelensky was perfect. >> did he do something that was impeachable? my answer, innocence of beam impeachable. perfect call? it was not a perfect call. >> it was not in my opinion a perfect call. perhaps inappropriate, certainly not impeachable. >> if i were on that call i would not have made the comments and would not have brought up or had a conversation about joe biden nor his son. >> so, again, tim scott says not impeachable but not perfect. here's what president trump said about senator scott yesterday. >> when you read those transcripts, tim scott, i don't know if tim's here, but he said, sir, first one to call me. sir, i read the transcript. you did nothing wrong. and mitch, stayed there right from the beginning. never changed. >> this is the reality that

those seeking to try and impose oversight on this president, he is altering reality. there's been a diminishing of the truth since his presidency began. starting out on day one with the crowd size. >> yeah. >> i fear where this is heading. >> well, i think we all should be afraid, because what we saw yesterday in my opinion is the poster child for why we need oversight and why we need a check and balance, and i'll remind everybody that the proximity to the election sure as heck didn't stop republicans from using the benghazi investigation to go after hillary clinton and to somebody degree it worked. imagine if hillary's emails had not been a refrain at all, later on gop leader kevin mccarthy admitted all political, all about targeting hillary clinton. i think we sometimes forget in talking about the 2016 election and the upcoming election that there was a 2018 election which

the voters gave democrats a clear majority and mandate to be a check and balance to this president and after yesterday's display of a president who's unhinged, unstable, who feels liberated from surviving impeachment, he's going to do whatever he wants and he feels like he can get away with anything, because as we've seen, the republicans in congress will let him do that. the democrats and the house are the only thing standing in the way between protecting our republic and actually having two functioning branches of government in an all-out monarchy. democrats need to not worry so much how something might play later orn and allowing oversigh unchecked, power trampled if trump gets four more years of power. >> can i strongly disagree?

it's not an either/or i would say to my friend curt. of course, oversight. nothing to suggest we woen n't that. does it define us? those who voted for us in 2018 because we were so good at hounding the fred president our talking about health care and jobs. we can walk and chew gum. those who voted for the president last time want to know if i have something better than he's offering them. it can't just be i'll hound him to the ends of the earth. they know he's doing stuff that's outrageous and unconventional, but in ways that's his brand. he is there to blow this thing up. that maybe a mischer for them nthem -- a feature not a bug. give them a narrative more compelling than that. i don't know we find that solely in subpoenas and litigation and oversight. >> all right.

congressman sean patrick, thank you so much. maloney, thank you so much for being with us. kurt bardella, thank you so much as well. and willie, you know, it's one of these quirks. one of these twitches that donald trump has. whenever he starts saying, sir -- >> i had the same thought. >> you know he's going to lie. it's like, sir -- sir -- you did -- nothing wrong. sir, you know more about this than anything else. sir, let me tell you. >> call was perfect. >> you're the one that got us through the war. sir, i just returned from paris and paris is not paris anymore. a little twitch of his, willie. >> also he loves repeating the fact that people have to call him "sir." right? makes him feel big and important, but you know, with the clips we showed from tim scott getting to the point what we saw, again, yesterday which is a room full of republicans reaping their rewards for circling the wagons around donald trump. we protected you from impeachment. now we're here in the east room for the roll call to get our

pats on the head to get the clips we can push out on social media and put into ads that show we stood with you through impeachment despite all the evidence. >> and donald trump, again, standing and applauding for donald trump breaching constitutional norms, political norms, societal norms and applauding when he's lying about members of their own caucus. supporting him fully when that just wasn't the case, mika. >> all right. stale ahead, senator mitt romney was the only republican this week to vote to convict president trump in the impeachment trial. senator sherrod brown says other republicans voted to acquit because they were afraid. the ohio democrat joins us next to talk about that on "morning joe." we'll be right back. i remember thinking about things i did and wondering

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democratic senator sherrod brown of ohio said in a new piece for the "new york times" that in private republicans admit they acquitted trump out of fear. he wrote in part -- for the stay in office at all cost representatives and senators, fear is the motivator. they are afraid that mr. trump might give them a nickname like, low energy jeb, or lying ted, or might tweet about this disloyalty or worst of all, that he might come to their state and campaign against hthem in the republican primary. in private, many admit his lies, is unfit and acknowledge what he did was wrong. and senator brown joins us now. so -- i just -- i want to know the rest of sort of the equation here, because if they admit and you've spoke ton republicans who admit they're doing this out of fear, don't they understand that they had the ability to stand up

and perhaps put him in his place by -- standing up to him? so that they wouldn't have to deal with him in the future? >> well, thanks, mika, for the question. they have contributed to this c- trump's strength with his base. i mean, if you -- if you're -- if you're a voter in kentucky, you have two republican senators. you've had a conservative governor until this year. you have mostly republican house members. you listen to fox. you watch -- you watch fox. you listen to talk radio. you never hear any criticism of the president. so it builds on itself because these republicans don't speak up. i don't -- i don't think that -- they don't -- they don't, first of all, acknowledge their fear. politicians -- most politicians, we all think we're more courageous probably than we are. so they don't acknowledge their voting for fear but i can see it. i go back 20 years to the iraq war vote. i was in the house and i remember the fear that people felt that george bush would call

them unamerican or soft on terror. so i've seen that play out and it usually leads to bad decisions. and i also acknowledge, as i did in the piece, that republicans, they like the tax cuts. they like the attacks on labor rights and civil rights and the environment. they like the right-wing, young judges that trump's given them. but fundamentally, they -- they -- they know better. most of them know better. most of them know that trump lied. and the -- the -- the -- i think the most telling part perhaps is that their presidential nominee from just eight years ago, whose faith is really important to him, as you can -- if you can see up close or from a distance with mitt. that none of them followed him, their presidential nominee, much out of fear from their base. and they are seeing what their base is doing to mitt romney. >> well, i will bring in joe here who i know wants to ask you a question. but, joe, this is -- i mean, in the case of the senators voting for acquittal, this was an

opportunity to get out of a really sick, messed up relationship. and, you know, they would have had another president, pence, who could have done all the same bills and all the same things that they support without this sick, messed up, abusive relationship they were in. and they chose against it. >> well, mike pence, actually who has shamed himself over the past three years. but before that, mike pence actually and i'm sure sherrod would agree, he's at least conservative. he's an ideological conservative. he, i believe in the past, he's shown that he understands and respects constitutional boundaries. so i agree with that. but sherrod, let's step back. let me be devil's advocate here. i have obviously been critical of the republican party. but, you know, i've been around a while too like you for 20 years or more. and i do remember during the clinton impeachment, democrats,

whether it was in the house gym or whether it was in the house dining room, you know, kind of saying clinton's a liar. you can't make a deal with him. he'll never keep his word. he's a dog. i know he's lying about, you know, this stuff. during impeachment. and i even remember the so-called conscience of the senate saying if the president's not telling the truth, i'm going to vote to impeach. of course, he didn't do that. so what do you say to americans who say, well, they're all alike, there is a reason why mitt romney was the only member of a president's party in the history of the republic to vote to impeach a president. >> yeah. i don't say -- first of all, a number of us spoke out about what bill clinton did. it didn't threaten the republic and threaten democracy and undermine democracy. i mean, trump's done things, as you've said on your show, joe, and mika said and others, that

richard nixon never even did. so it wasn't -- it wasn't the threat to the republic at that point. but a lot of us called him out. a lot of us said he should be censored. but yesterday, i wanted to flip to something else from what willie and you both said early in the show that to watch it wasn't just the president's performance yesterday and, you know, in a place that you shouldn't talk like that, frankly. the white house. but it was the -- it was the enabling senators and house members sitting there and continuing, even though some of them had said the president's going to learn from this. he won't do it again. and they're all enabling him as he does it again. so it really -- it's fear. it's more complicated, of course, than fear. and i pointed that out in my article. but so much of it -- fear does the business, too often, in the united states senate. and this was as poignant and as awful example of it as i've ever seen this past week. >> his castenbinet, too. senator, willie, i do want to

ask you what we are seeing here in the democratic party about a year or so ago, you dabbled with the idea of hopping in with your dignity of work campaign. you went to iowa to take a look. ultimately, decided not to run. what's your assessment not just of the chaos in iowa but of the state of play right now where joe biden in new hampshire appears to be slipping. mayor pete buttigieg rising. and bernie sanders holding his spot near the top of the polls. >> yeah. it's still early. i mean, doesn't seem early to candidates that have been doing this for 14 months. but i mean i talk to people at -- at -- at church on sunday, on weekends when i'm home, on mondays and fridays before i fly back to washington. and people are just starting to tune in. i mean, people barely -- to most voters, they haven't really thought about this much. ohio's primary is, all of days, on saint patrick's day. and it's two weeks after super-tuesday. we'll know more then and i think the democrats are understanding, too, that our primary season has to be a little bit more reflection of our party and more

diverse. and just the competing forces and demographics that have made us a rich country. and make the democrats the party i'm proud to be in. >> all right. senator sherrod brown, thank you very much for being on the show. have a great weekend. >> thanks, everybody. >> still ahead, if politics is all about momentum, then these trend lines are not good news for joe biden ahead of tuesday's new hampshire primary. we'll break down the latest numbers and much more on the president scelebrating his acquittal by gloating at a prayer breakfast and cursing in the white house east room. "morning joe" is coming right back. - [spokeswoman] meet the ninja foodi pressure cooker, the best of pressure cooking and air frying now in one pot, and with tendercrisp technology, you can cook foods that are crispy on the outside and juicy on the inside.

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what i said and did to trigger these events. >> i want to apologize to my family for having them have to go through a phony, rotten deal. >> and the great burden they have imposed on the congress and on the american people. >> they took a phone call that was a totally appropriate call. and they brought me to the final stages of impeachment. >> i also am humbled and very grateful. >> it's called total acquittal. >> for the support and the prayers i have received from millions of americans. >> when she said i pray for the president, i pray for -- she didn't pray. she may pray but she prays for the opposite. >> this can be, and this must be, a time of reconciliation. >> adam schiff is a vicious, horrible person. >> and renewal for america. >> say hello to the people of

utah. and tell them i'm sorry about mitt romney. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much, everybody. thank you. >> i believe any person who asks for forgiveness has to be prepared to give it. >> so there we see donald trump painting william jefferson clinton in shades of humility. shades of dignity. and -- >> humanity. >> -- shades of humanity. looking presidential. it was a master class yesterday in the difference between humility and hubris. between class and just someone who is classless. it was -- it was remarkable. >> it was a remarkable day yesterday. >> it was -- it was donald trump -- donald trump put on a

freak show yesterday and showed exactly why this race will always be close even to the end. when things are going well, donald trump and his supporters and his family members are at their very worst. >> good morning and welcome to "morning joe." we have finally gotten to friday. february 7th. and along with joe, willie, and me, we have donnie deutsch with us. former chief of staff to the d triple c and former director of strategic communications for hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, adrienne elrod. and historian, author of "the soul of america" and rogers professor at vanderbilt university, jon meacham, he is an nbc news and msnbc contributor. great to have you on this morning. >> willie, yesterday, the president did. he put on an absolute freak show inside the white house. he put on, actually, a

blasphemous display inside the national prayer breakfast. actually, mocking people who quoted the words of jesus christ. >> yep. >> mocking people there, of faith, who actually followed the orders of jesus christ in the sermon on the mount. it was quite a display by a president who actually somehow managed to stoop below the lowest of low. >> yeah. the victory tour yesterday after the acquittal included -- included a day at the national prayer breakfast where he displayed, again, his complete lack of understanding of what it means to have faith. i know we'll play some of those clip sq clips and get into it later. but also the clips we played of him yesterday, i thought, joe, was a perfect distillation of the trump age in washington. which is you have donald trump being who he is. we know who he is. but you also had in front of him his entire cabinet. you had the attorney general sitting there laughing and smiling and applauding while donald trump was ripping the

russia investigation and rippliripping the ukraine investigation and everything else. and then you have congressional republicans clapping and laughing along and waiting for their names to be called, which sort of is the point of their jobs right now. is to say and do the thing that pleases the boss. and yesterday, he, one by one, went down the line and called out members of congress. and then we saw yesterday afterward, they would tweet out on social media the clip of the moment where he said a nice thing about them. i thought there's the whole ball game yesterday right there in the white house. >> yeah. yesterday, donald trump was at his worst but think about this. i mean, he is -- it is assuring. it is calming that he is so predictable. what did he do the day after robert mueller's testimony? he picked up the phone. he called ukraine. invaded by russia. said, i'm holding up your weapons until you dig up dirt on my political opponent. that was the next day.

donald trump was at his worst when he actually should've been at his best. when he should've been at -- at -- at -- at his -- well, most humane. he should have played the advantage. this man -- this man doesn't know how to make a deal. and politically, he just doesn't know how to play an advantage. yesterday would have been a wonderful time for him, if he cared about ever getting to 50%, to do what bill clinton did. a man who left office actually, i think, in the '60s, but instead -- rick wilson said instead, donald trump yesterday, he bellowed like a third-world warlord in a display of political performance art that was almost unbearably grotesque and its affront to american values, american law, and america's collective sanity. and -- and as willie said, mika,

the most grotesque part was not donald trump. we've -- we've -- we've already priced that into the stock. >> yeah. it's baked into the cake. >> the grotesque part were those people jammed in there and the people jammed into the prayer breakfast who were laughing along to this aberrant behavior. this behavior that not only cut against constitutional norms over the past several months and political norms. but more importantly, cultural norms that donald trump shatters every day. and i will say, as a -- as a -- someone who grew up in the evangelical church, cut against basic norms that evangelicals once claimed to believe. once held themselves -- >> lived by. >> once talked about inside the church. and inside prayer breakfasts

even though they are all sinners. at least they ascribe to follow the words of jesus christ the best they can do. yesterday, a president of the united states was openly mocking the words of jesus christ. the franklin graham, jerry fallwell jr., robert jeffries, are any of these other religious leaders p leaders, put in quotes, did anything to actually tell their flock, wait a second. don't listen to the president. listen to the words of jesus christ. we'll talk about all of this a lot coming up. but a shock poll as they like to say, mika. coming out of new hampshire last night. >> yeah. we'll get to more of the president's day of rhetorical revenge in just a moment. but first, that new poll this morning. with good news for pete buttigieg and bad news for joe biden. in the "boston globe's" daily tracking poll from new hampshire, buttigieg is now

closing in on bernie sanders, who's in first place at 24%. buttigieg is right behind at 23%. up four points since yesterday. while sanders is down one. elizabeth warren took the third-place spot that biden held yesterday. she's now at 13%. with biden at 11. >> adrienne, it appears we have two wings now. we have the top progressive and the top moderate. that's bernie sanders and pete buttigieg. that's how it played out in iowa. then we have the second tier progressive and the second-tier moderate. and that, of course, is elizabeth warren and joe biden. and it looks like the -- some polls we've seen over the past couple days are bearing that out again as -- as it was in iowa. so it looks like it may be in new hampshire. >> yeah. i mean, we'll see what happens on tuesday, joe. the first state where people are actually voting, not caucusing,

in the democratic primary process. but, you know, think about this. last week during, you know, sort of the fiasco that was monday night in iowa, you'll recall mayor pete went out there pretty early on. gave a really resounding speech. took advantage of the vacuum that existed in the national media while all the cable pundits, all of us were sort of talking about what's going on, when are the results coming in? we had all this airtime to fill. mayor pete went out there pretty quickly and spoke to the audience sw sort of declared victory or at least gave a very inspirational, you know, i feel pretty good about where i am type of speech. i think that really helped him. you know, he's been really, you know, playing up his iowa results even though, of course, we still don't know definitively who the winner is. it's obviously very close between him and bernie sanders. but the poichnt is he really capitalized on that moment and has continued to capitalize on that throughout the course of this week. i think it's been very helpful to him.

even though, again, we're still waiting for the final tabulations, mayor pete went ahead and said you know what? i did really well in iowa. i'm going to message this effectively going into new hampshire and i think that's one of the reasons you are really seeing him get this bounce out of a state that still is kind of chaotic and we're still trying to figure out exactly what happened on monday night. >> still ahead on "morning joe," the president's performance at the national prayer breakfast. mocking a key biblical principle, while also taking shots at his political opponents. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you always want to be able to deliver relief for your patients. get them out of pain, get them out of pain fast. we have a new product out there: sensodyne rapid relief. if you use it on monday, by thursday, you'll be enjoying that chocolate ice cream again. they can start it, and 3 days later, i know that they're going to have the results they were looking for.

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back to the president's victory lap yesterday. which started at the national prayer breakfast.

conservative writer and thought leader arthur brooks spoke right before the president about the teachings of jesus christ to love your enemies. a message the president says he doesn't agree with. >> ask god to give you the strength to do this hard thing. to go against your human nature. to follow jesus' teaching. you believe jesus' teaching. act like it. me too. to love your enemies. ask god to take political contempt from your heart and sometimes when it's just too hard, ask god to help you fake it. >> arthur, i don't know if i agree with you. but i don't know if arthur's going to like what i'm going to say. i don't like people who use their faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong. f nor do i like people who say i

pray for you when they know that that's not so. >> we did a prayer breakfast this morning. and i thought that was really good. i had nancy pelosi sitting four seats away and i'm saying things that a lot of people wouldn't have said but i meant every -- i meant every word. they're vicious and mean. vicious. these people are vicious. adam schiff is a vicious, horrible person. nancy pelosi is a horrible person. and she wanted to impeach a long time ago. when she said i pray for the president. i pray for the -- she didn't pray. she may pray but she prays for the opposite. but i doubt she prays at all. and these are vicious people. >> you know, evangelicals. anybody that's grown up in a church, evangelical church, catholic church, christian church, understands the blasphemy there. they really do. you -- you -- you had donald trump, first of all, saying i don't agree with you, arthur.

well, it wasn't arthur he was disagreeing with. it was the words of jesus christ he was disagreeing with. but this is a man and, you know, franklin graham, you know this, this is a man that has said he's never had to ask jesus christ for forgiveness before. this is a man who never had the bible his entire life. he handed me a bible one time in the early fall of 2015 that his mother gave him. it's obvious had hadn't been opened for 40 years. he talked about 2 corinthians when somebody gave him a quote from 2nd corinthians, he couldn't name a single book in the bible. he couldn't tell you the difference between the new and the old testament. and yesterday, he mocked the words of jesus christ. now, listen. since franklin graham and jerry fallwell jr., robert jeffries, and all these other so-called religious leaders, are not telling those of you who weren't

raised in the church why it was so grotesque for people at the national prayer breakfast and in the white house to be laughing. at donald trump mocking the words of jesus christ. let a twice-divorced, backslidden baptist tell you. let -- let -- let me read you the words that the president of the united states, at a national prayer breakfast, was mocking yesterday. and how sad -- think about it -- how sad not a single evangelical leader came out yesterday and stood up for the words in the gospel of jesus christ. taken from the sermon on the mount. these aren't footnotes. taken from the sermon on the mount. the centerpiece of the gospels. jesus said this. you have heard it said. love your friends and hate your enemies.

but i tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. and pray for those who persecute you that you may be sons and daughters of your father in heaven. if you love only those who love you, what reward will you get? and do not even -- evil men do that? and if you greet only your brothers, only your friends, what are you doing more than others? do not even pagans do that? be perfect, therefore, as arthur brooks was saying yesterday, as your heavenly father is perfect. >> well said. and coming up, steve kornacki joins us from the big board as we circle back to those new poll numbers from new hampshire that show pete buttigieg surging. and joe biden slipping.

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[ fast-paced drumming ] three days late, is to thank the people of iowa.

for the very strong victory they gave us at the iowa caucuses on monday night. when 6,000 more people come out for you in an election than your nearest opponent, we here in northern new england call that a victory. >> let's look inside those numbers in iowa. national political correspondent for nbc news and msnbc, steve kornacki is over at the big board. so, steve, we are waking up now a fourth morning without clarity what exactly happened in iowa. we have 100% of the vote in. but we don't quite know what happened because as you have reported, nbc's reporting there are inaccuracies in these numbers. >> yeah. and i -- the reality of this is we may never know with 100% clarity who won the iowa caucuses in 2020 on the democratic side. what we can tell you is with what the iowa democratic party tells us is all of the votes

recorded, it is a two-state delegate equivalent lead for pete buttigieg over bernie sanders. that is one-tenth of one point. to put that in some perspective, four years ago at this time, remember this. we had an all-nighter in iowa. came on the next day and said, folks, we just had the closest iowa democratic caucuses ever. that was shockingly close. it's even closer this year. so the margin right now the iowa democratic party is telling us is two. the issue, as you said, our decision desk, some other news organizations have gone and looked. the iowa state democratic party has made a lot of the documentation. a lot of the tally sheets they use for these caucuses has made them available. they have taken a look at them. a lot of them have been circulated online. says there are lots of errors. there are clearly tabulation errors that exist out there in a race this close, that that fact cast doubt on do you know that buttigieg is really first? do you know that sanders is

really second? when it's that close, the other thing we talked all yesterday morning. remember, these satellite caucuses. it's basically like absentee voting. they had a few of these on caucus day for folks who couldn't go out at night. there is a real question about whether the state democratic party used the correct formula to calculate the delegates from the satellite caucuses. and, again, that has direct bearing on sanders. that could be a difference of three or four of these state delegate equivalents for sanders. so the reality is -- by the way, the campaigns have until this afternoon to say if they want to have a recanvass here. the reality is, though, this is probably the best estimate we're going to have. >> bernie sanders told morgan here at nbc news in an interview yesterday i won because i got the most votes. so he's looking at the vote total. this is measured, of course, by state delegate equivalence. steve, i want to ask you real quick about that globe wbz su

wbz suffolk poll. >> yeah. you can see what that is. it's not coming this buttigieg gain from sanders. sanders has been stable all week. so you've got buttigieg there getting separation from the rest. one group, in particular, that stands out in terms of leaving biden and flooding to pete buttigieg. seniors. 65 plus. we have talked so much about biden's strength among the oldest demographic. conversely, sanders' strength among the youngest. the oldest demographic now in this tracking poll is moving rapidly away from biden and to pete buttigieg. and obviously, the question here is can buttigieg continue to consolidate? could he pass sanders? sanders, is there an opportunity here for sanders to grow further? just show you this. there was one other poll that came out yesterday i thought might be a little interesting. they narrowed the choices to four for people. to these four candidates just to see how new hampshire voters would respond. you can check out what you found there. and in that situation, you got buttigieg and sanders now up near 30%. they had biden and warren a

little further down. but again, you are seeing separation between buttigieg and sanders. we have seen candidates like buttigieg come in from iowa with a head of steam. move up rapidly. sometimes they just keep going. gary hart did that in 1984. won by double digits. sometimes they stall. marco rubio stalled, famously, in 2016 on the republican side. got that debate tonight. let's see if that has any impact. certainly, it did in 2016 with rubio. >> coming up on "morning joe," the rising number of americans diagnosed with the coronavirus as we look at not only the health impact but also the political and erk nconomic effe. but first the jobs report of the new year. "the wall street journal" says it could show a slowdown in economic momentum. we'll tell you exactly what the numbers show. and more on this unprecedented week in american history. from the state of the union to whatever that was we saw in washington yesterday. "morning joe" is back in a moment. as a caricature artist,

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breaking economic news. now, let's go with the monthly jobs numbers. bring in courtney reagan. courtney, what's the word? >> hi. good morning. we have a very strong jobs report here for the month of january 2020. we saw an addition of 225,000 jobs. economists were expecting a gain but a gain of 158,000. so much stronger than expected. a slight tick up in the unemployment rate. so from 3.5% to 3.6%. but by and large, that's still really sitting at about 50-year lows for the unemployment rate. when you do a job breakdown by sector, manufacturing still struggling. we saw that sector lose 12,000 jobs in the month of january. however, construction jobs, those gained 44,000. and that was the strongest sector for the month.

healthcare, leisure and hospitality, both of those sectors saw a gain of 36,000 jobs for the month of january. as far as how the market is now indicating to open still lower. but we did come off the lows of the session on this stronger-than-expected jobs report for the month of january. >> so, courtney, of course there is never any making sense of the unemployment rate. what -- what number they put out. it's more of a political number. i can only guess when you have a great month, like this past month, 225,000, any president over the past decade, would take that and run with it. you actually have an unemployment rate that ticks up to 3.6%. are we to assume that's because the job participation number also ticked up? >> you know, it's really hard like you're talking about. there is sort of a lot of different factors that go into this. and this is sort of survey-based. and so you can't always correlate with the -- the jobs that are added with the unemployment rate. one other thing i didn't mention that i think is important to

your point is that we did see a large number of re-entrance to the job market. so in the month of january, 183,000 people reentered the job market. so that means they weren't counted previously. either they had decided to not look for work or perhaps they were otherwise retired. so they wouldn't be counted in the unemployment rate. so if they come back into the labor force looking for jobs actively but don't have one, that could also be a reason why we see the unemployment rate tick up. and the labor department does say that 183,000 number of reentrance is statistically significant. so that's something to at least pay attention to. >> all right. courtney reagan, thank you so much for that breaking news and also for those good job numbers. so, donnie deutsch, you look at 225,000 jobs added. you look at 3.6 unemployment rate. yes, it ticked up but 3.6%, any president, would take that at any time. i just -- you know, there --

there is an old peter gabriel album i think it was called "so what?" and that's the attitude of a lot of americans. trump did this. oh, he did that. it's terrible. i don't like him but so what? my small business is doing better than ever before. so what? i can afford to send my kids to school. so what? we may not see economic times like this again and my retirement accounts -- i mean, this is, obviously, while the democrats are fumbling around with caucus results in iowa. this is what america's saying. a strong economy roars on. 11th year of the obama recovery. >> talk about capping it off. and you know, you can kind of play those numbers another way. you know, mr. ratner was on and lays out things such as there were more jobs created in

obama's last three years than there were in trump's first three years. but the big banner numbers that the average consumer reacts to are those numbers that you talked about. and it is going to be tremendously problematic because you can spin it and say look this is not your economy. it's trump's economy. go back to healthcare, which got us there in 2018. but it is going to be a big uphill slog if those numbers continue because, as you said, and i hear from so many people that i know, friends of mine i want to puke, yeah, but. it's the yeah but trump argument. yeah, but look how good the economy is and they're all jerks. yeah but look how good the economy is. they're all jerks. it's disgusting. reprehensible but this is very bad news for the democrats. >> correction. the album was "so." sledge hammer and in your eyes among many other hits. >> you know, maybe i was thinking of john mellencamp's album nothing matters. >> we'll take that one. so, nick, if this is a big if,

if donald trump were disciplined, he would take these numbers and just talk about the economy. do some version of what he did at the state of the union. not the version of the guy we saw yesterday in the east room. >> if all he did was talk about jobs and the economy and the tax cut and judges for the next eight months, he would probably win re-election by a lot. and the saving grace for democrats is that this is donald trump. the fact that his numbers are where they're at and they're a bit better this week, right? but the fact that his numbers are still kind of right in the middle, despite this phenomenal economic growth, is their only chance of beating him. because -- because there are voters out there who are seeing these, you know, who -- who -- who see the economy growing. but then also see the president and see his performance yesterday. and they want the economic growth without all the other stuff. and if democrats can give it to them, that's a great thing for them. >> yeah. you know, just rounding out our discussion about -- about so

what, there is a piece on also -- so what -- it also, of course, is one of the great albums from myles davis's classic. yeah. exactly. which is actually my ringtone. so back now, let's go back now to president trump's performance at the national prayer breakfast yesterday. and a good way to see just how abhorrent his behavior was there, let's compare his with how recent past presidents have conducted themselves at the same event. >> when we come together every year, we leave aside the debates of the working day. >> these moments of prayer slow us down. they humble us. to come together as brothers and sisters and see god's face together. >> they have done everything possible to destroy us. >> we can't leave our values at the door. >> i don't like people who use

their faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong. >> i appreciate the friendship and the kindred spirit. all of us believe in the power of prayer. >> nor do i like people who say i pray for you when they know that that's not so. >> we are thankful for the goodness and character of our fellow citizens. >> my belief in god's command, to love thy neighbor as thyself. >> when you impeach them for nothing, then you're supposed to like them. it's not easy, folks. i do my best. >> and they laugh, of course. by the way, our thanks to our friends at the 11th hour for putting that together. let's bring in ben howe. he is of course the author of a really important book and we've talked about before. it's "immoral majority, why evangelicals choose political

power over christian values." podcaster, filmmaker, thanks so much for being with us. i got to say you and i -- i mean, we grew up in southern baptist church and i -- i've been surprised by a lot of my friends and -- and former church mates have put up with. but when, yesterday, you had arthur brooks lovingly bring up jesus's -- really, jesus's commandment to us in the sermon on the mount, to love our enemies, to pray for our enemies. to pray for those who persecute us. and then you had donald trump saying i don't think so. i disagree with that. and then mocking nancy pelosi for doing exactly what jesus orders us to do. and they laughed about it. i think that might, for me at least, kind of be a new low. where are the religious leaders

telling their faithful followers listen to jesus and not donald trump on this? >> you know, i -- i ask myself that same question. but another question that i ask myself is where are these faith leaders that are surrounding this man, that allegedly care about his soul, his spirit? he's a child of god just like everyone else. and they are whispering lies into his ears. telling him that he is exempt from certain responsibilities as it relates to sin and temptation. he's above it. he's allowed to do things for a so-called greater good, which in my opinion, aoften translates into the self-interests of these people who want power and always have. and, you know, i think it's sad. he's got people right there that could tell him, hey, instead of being mad at people who pray for you. if you think that they're bad, then why don't you pray for them?

but nobody, apparently, is there to say that to him. >> you know, the thing is, too, ben, and i just to take this the personal realm. when i was in politics, even though, as i say all the time, i'm a backslidden baptist, steve largent once called me instead of a human highlight reel, he said i was a human mission field all of myself. but i even understood during the campaign that if you forgave your enemies, if you turned the other cheek, politically, if you were attacked by your opponents and your enemies. and you went to them in peace and -- and not holding those grudges, it actually worked out for you politically. you actually were in the friend-making business. and it did nothing but -- but help me politically to do that. so even if the president were being cynical, following the

teachings of jesus christ would actually help him out politically. >> well, and -- and that, again, you know, with his spiritual advisor and his evangelical advisory board, are they letting him know that the idea of prayer often is about the person praying, not the person who's being prayed for? that when you pray for your enemies, when you pray for things that are difficult, it softens your heart. it gives you the kind of heart that god wants you to have for other people. and they're not doing anything to soften this man. they're not doing anything to put him in a position where he could make those right choices at least or be counseled to make those right choices. putting aside even the -- the -- the populous, the 26% of the base that is evangelical voters. they have shown so many people outside of christianity a version of christianity that's toxic. and they've hurt witness.

they've hurt persuasion. and they've done it all in the name of republicanism, which is the new religion. and it's so dangerous because it's a short-term mentality when we're talking about eternal implications. >> hey, ben, it's willie. your book is great and never more important than it is right now. everybody ought to read it if they haven't. but i want to ask you about the -- the line that you have heard and i've heard and we've all heard for a couple of years now, which is that we elected a president, not a saint. and we heard that again yesterday after the prayer breakfast. people like franklin graham and others thanking the president for protecting the sanctity of life and also for putting judges in place who would protect religion and keep it in our life and keep it in the public square to some effect. can you at least understand that argument, which is to say we may not love everything that comes out of this guy's mouth but he's standing there for us protecting the things we believe in, even if he doesn't believe in them himself?

>> yeah. i do understand the -- the thought process that would lead somebody there. certainly. and i think it's all, you know, whether it's that version of it or the version where somebody says all i care about is if he does his job and whatever. it's all the -- the basic premise of looking at it like a plumber. people use that a lot when they are talking to me about this. they say if i have a -- hire somebody to fix my sink, i don't really care if he's cheating on his wife. i just want my sink fixed. and what i usually say to them is, okay, that's fair. but let's say you've hired a plumber and he came over and he made -- he made repairs that literally made liquid gold come out of your faucet. but then when he was done, he slapped your wife and kicked your son down the stairs. would his character matter at that point? because that's the issue is that character is not only as it relates to their personal life. character is a demonstration who they are internally and what they will bring in their

leadership behind the scenes, where we can't see what's going on, such as in ukraine. these things do matter and -- and significantly so. and most people know that in their personal lives. >> yeah. you know, ben, also, the reduction. i -- i found it remarkable that in this political sphere, people are able to reduce the teachings of jesus christ down to one issue and the appointment of federal judges. and in so doing, they gave donald trump a blank check to ignore everything else that jesus christ taught in his ministry. everything else. and he does that, as far as the blessed or the merciful for they shall be shown mercy. i could go through one after another. the -- the parable of the good samaritan. turning the other cheek. you name it. donald trump mocks the teachings because he's right on one issue and he's right on federal judges.

>> two things here. one, he's got robert jeffries in his ear, who already said that he would run from someone who was running for president that represented the teachings at the sermon on the mount. he said that in 2016. he's reiterated it since. he's said that that's not what he wants in a president. he doesn't want that type of character. so that's the level of -- of teachings that he's getting. but, you know, in -- in regards to the idea that these, you know, people like robert jeffries and others, who are happy to put themselves in a position of power while excusing everything he does. it's because they're hiding the ball. the -- the ball is they care about their stuff. they care about their self-interests. and they're going to put other things ahead of it. abortion and so on. so that the cognitive dissonance that's required can be bridged.

that's why they do it. it has to be important enough so they make it important enough. but what's fascinating is the judges. it's such an anti-conservative position. they are taking the culture and saying we don't need to worry about the culture in terms of the i am moral majority. thanks for being here this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we have more ahead on "morning joe." including the latest developments with the growing coronavirus outbreak, the health implications and global impact on politics and trade. "morning joe" is coming right back. " is coming right back i have moderate to severe pnow, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer, yeah i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin ♪ yeah that's all me. ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand ♪ ♪ nothing on my skin ♪ that's my new plan. ♪ nothing is everything. keep your skin clearer with skyrizi.

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tested positive for the coronavirus on a quarantined cruise ship, a sharp increase from 20 cases confirmed just yesterday. officials screened 273 passengers, they said they were potentially all the exposed to the virus. all new patients are to be taken off the ship for medical treatment. let's bring in dr. vanessa carey, from a nonprofit that treats doctors and nurses in countries with limited resources. thank you for being with us. give us if you will the scope of the virus and your concerns for where it goes next? >> thank you very much for having me on this morning. you know, i think we are learning still what the scope of the virus is and what its trajectory will be. what is clear that it is

massively effecting how we are existing in the world today just by the sheer numbers and by the fact we don't know a lot about it, there's a huge amount of fear and huge amount of uncertainty. when you have over 31,000 cases, seeing exponential rise, it is something that we have to take very seriously. what is concerning to me has been the fact that we are not prepared as a country to really address this in the right way, not seeing the kind of leadership we need around pandemic preparedness and investing in our health system here at home. >> doctor, we are talking a lot about the united states as we should, you just did, those are certainly words that hopefully american health officials will take to heart, but we're talking about china and japan, seeing how this is going in europe. i wonder about countries that you dedicate your life to, those that are underserved by health care resources.

how is this virus impacting those underserved countries? >> well, that's a great question because we live in a small world now and viruses and outbreaks are not going to be contained in any one place and we're seeing that now. much of my work with seed global health has been focused on sub saharan africa where there's a massive ebola epidemic in 2013, haven't seen coronavirus. the problem is we don't have the resources to detect it and certainly not to care for it. look at the sheer numbers of the coronavirus virus, it is 31,000. there's only 638 deaths at this point reported because when you look at the number effected and deaths, it is a low mortality rate. the problem is if countries and hospitals aren't resourced

enough to address the disease, the mortality rate will go up. what we need to be doing is investing in preparedness at home, here and around the world to contain these outbreaks. with preparedness, you cannot only survey and mount a response but importantly care for patients when sick. the impacts of these epidemics aren't just health, they're massive, they're economic. you look at ebola, there's 26,000 infected, 11,000 deaths, though isolated in west africa where they're not huge contributors to the global economic world, it was a $53 billion economic downturn, beyond the horrible loss of life. >> we have seen from your work and this outbreak how we're all interconnected, failures of health care and health systems in some countries can come back to our own shores and spread around the world. going back to your earlier point, what have you seen in the u.s. as far as lack of

preparation, lack of action by federal authorities that has you worried? what steps do you want to see taken that could prepare us if this gets worse? >> health security is national security. and when we look at china it is our third largest trading partner. we need to be invested in how this epidemic gets contained. when you think about protecting our auto temperatures in the midwest, for example, we need to worry about the supply chain from china. when we think of who one of the largest buyers is of agriculture, we need to think about china. this administration has demonstrated propensity for grand gestures, not necessarily for investing in smart established policies that are going to set us up to protect ourselves for the long term. if you look back in 2018, they made cuts to the cdc, they undermined the entire global health department there. the day that ebola in the drc

was called an epidemic of international concern by world health organization they called for $252 million of funding to be taken back rather than put towards epidemic response. they have dismantled command, chain of kmanld within the administration and dhs and the national security council. most importantly, what they've done, they're not investing in the u.s. health system that would be essential. i am at mass general in boston, i can tell you our ability to address these diseases is to have the resources we need to be able to respond if it comes. >> all right. dr. vanessa kerry, thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. we appreciate everybody watching this week and certainly appreciate all of the team members of "morning joe" for helping us bring you the news. and we have another big week to come, and setting