better america. it's going to take all of us, but we can. >> senator elizabeth warren, thank you so much for your time tonight. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> we are just getting started. much more with our many candidates and more of the great audience in new hampshire. don't go anywhere. we'll be back in ten seconds. >> good evening from manchester, new hampshire. we saw the final democratic debate before the state hosts first primary of the 2020 presidential election. we have heard from our audience of undecided voters. we'll hear from democratic candidates from the spin room. if you're joining us after a strong showing by buttigieg in iowa the democrats on stage came after the south bend mayor. >> going after every thing that

people do because it's popular to say and makes you feel like a cool newcomer. we have a newcomer in the white house, look where it got us. >> we have a great group of folks to discuss. any colleague lawrence o'donnell. joy reid and chris matthews. give them a hand. so, we saw that the exchanges about mayor pete. i want to place this bit. number six on the sheet we have here. this is bernie sanders responding to the socialism question. which you brought up earlier. something that klobuchar brought up as well. this was how sanders talked about it. >> president trump thinks this label socialism will work. he said it destroys nations and will never let it destroy american healthcare and before

the super bowl he joked with sean hannity about your honeymoon in moscow. those hits will keep coming. why shouldn't democrats worry? >> because scuttle trump lies all the time. doesn't matter. it's a sad state of events, it is. people say terrible things about joe. disgusting things about elizabeth and anybody up here. at the end of the day, the way we defeat donald trump and everybody up here is united. we're standing together to defeat him. >> two things that were interesting. the call for unity. which he clearly understands is imperative. he declined to attack joe biden.

he took a pass on it. he's very focussed on that. his response to the socialism question is don't care what the guy says. he says ugly things about anyone. >> i have never heard him say this is how i will respond to that. he just says as you say, i don't care. he will be if he's the nominee the first socialist nominee anyone has seen. it's difficult to predict -- it's coming at a point in the curve of the understanding of the word that has never been that. this economy is filled with socialism. it's filled with capitalism. every economy in the world has a mix of capitalism and socialism and they vary. sweden has more socialism than we do. north korea has no capitalism. that's the only place. every other place is mixed. everyone know that.

the word doesn't scare people the way it did in the 1950s. and he's one of the beneficiaries. the guy who made the word less scary by embracing it and saying i'm not afraid of it. the word is living in a different environment. i can't predict how much of a liability it might or might not be. >> i wonder if it's scary to venezuela and cubaens in florida. i to the point about unity and understanding how important it was for him to give that full throat call for unity, i wonder if buttigieg does end up becoming the nominee, how then sanders reconciles the attack he made tonight which is this are two sides. i'm on one the mayor is on the other. he's the nominee. how he does a turn about to support him.

>> they do it every time. voodoo economics. he opposed his opponent of voodoo economics became the vice president. there's nothing you can't take back in the general. >> joe biden said tonight. of course he's in a somewhat ten use situation. he came in fourth in iowa. he's polling at third or fourth in new hampshire. his campaign says the first two states don't matter and not representative of the party. he went number two he talked about mayor buttigieg also. if you look at the tracking polls in new hampshire fst a one for one trade. between joe biden numbers and buttigieg numbers. take a listen. >> sanders and buttigieg are too big a risk for democrats. >> you know that with regard to senator sanders the president

wants to very much sick a label on every candidate. we have to win this time and bring along the senate. he labeled himself not me a democratic socialist. that's the label the president will lay on everyone running with him. if he's a nominee. and buttigieg is a great guy and real patriot. he's mayor of a small city who has done some good things but has not demonstrated his ability to get a broad scope of support across the spectrum including african-americans and latino. >> buttigieg briefly cloned himself in the shot. the reason that i play that, he didn't really go after him. you can see that the staff is telling him you have to do it. he has these things set up. something about the recovery act. when it's time to do it he doesn't really do it. >> i can only imagine today we

heard aknnita dun. >> what'd i say? >> hill. >> i wouldn't know. she's often on my mind. they made a decision for the first time in months and whatever joe biden decided to run for president. when he was 13. they did a sunday show. they afreed to do this sunday show this week. why all of a sudden exchange. they have been hiding from the tough questions. they think they catch people that will be nice and they get tough questions. everybody will ask the obvious question about he and his son. why does he get this job and millions of dollars and you have ukraine and he gets the contract. people have to be mindless to not say what's going upon. it's a reasonable question. we shouldn't ask the ukraine

president to investigate it. where there's smoke there's fire. the democratic party has to figure ot the ideology. and the liberal party they were over taken by socialist party. labor was the main challenger to choice. churchill. we know the history. we will be sorting it out if the democratic party runs a socialist candidate. that's a change from the democratic party. the party has been to the left of the republican party on the issue of mixed capitalism. more social programs that push social security and medicaid. popular programs. obamacare follow through and make it work. most americans would be happy to have a public option and medicare to follow up with. let the democrats figure it out. i have my own views of the word.

i'll share them in private. i have an attitude about them. i remember the cold war. i have app attitude towards castro. if the red side won there would have been executions in central park and i might have been one of them. and other people would be cheering. i don't know who bernie supports over the years. i don't know what he means. one week it's denmark. that's harmless. that's social welfare programs, they're. >> clearly the denmark. >> did he say that? >> we haven't seen a campaign yet where video of him praising the other version has been used. it will be used. >> what effect that -- >> what does he think of castro?

we thought he was great at first. and communist and shooting every enemy. >> hold those thoughts on the revolution. i have to go to the spin room and andrew yang. how are you doing? you had a moment tonight you cited mlk support for universal basic income which aligns with the signature policy proposal. you were sort of supporting it in a alternative to race conscious forms of redistribution. he thought both were necessary. affirmative action and universal income. what do you say to people that say it's not enough to redistribute or close the wealth

gap. >> i would agree with him 100%. we need to have a universal pacic income a freedom dividend as foundation and continue to build on that. i'm proaffirmative action and policy ls trying to close the wealth gap that is bigger and bigger all the time unfortunately. >> what was the thing that struck you most tonight in terms of the terrain that you got to cover that perhaps you haven't covered before? >> i think the folks talked about a lot of things we had talked about before. but i enjoy the conversation and i appreciate the fact that people are honing in on electability. the number one criteria is defeating donald trump. we need someone to appeal to democrats and progressive. >> do you think you're the most

electable candidate in the race? >> according to one study, 18% of college republicans choose me over the president. 10% of trump voters in new hampshire in one poll said they would choose me over the president. by the numbers i am the best person to take down and defeat him in the general election. i'm drawing many of him supporters and independents and libertarians. >> all right. andrew yang, we have to hit a break. thank you for making time. i want to thank the panel. give them a hand. thank you all. we have much more to come here from the granite state. first in the nation with the voters. we'll talk to them. i'm 52.

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no regard for the military. punishing war hero today with what he did to vindman. pardoning war criminals in ways that under mine the entire sense of good order and discipline and military honor. we deserve a better commander in

chief. >> pete buttigieg. mayor buttigieg, klobuchar had some tough words about your experience. and says something i want to get your response to. you didn't get a chance to respond. your attacks on the people up there who have washington experience was to be a cool kid. there was something condescending about it you were belittling the work of people doing work in washington. sitting through the impeachment trial. what's your response? >> i understand the importance and difficulty of the work that senators and others are doing in washington. my point is there's frustration with washington as a whole and we're going to need a different mind set in order to win and govern. we are coming up on situation where the future president is going to face issues that are fundamentally and profoundly different than anything we're

used to. on top of security and economy. one thing akros the country certainly in new hampshire. when i speak to democrats and independents who will hold part of the key to defeating trump is desire to make sure we turn the page, leave the politics in the past in the past and bring something different to washington. >> there's a consensus electability being at the front of mind. and i have heard you make a case. for someone that was mayor of a town. won your last election with 8,600 votes ran statewide and got walloped. what are you more electable than klobuchar who has won statewide elections. >> the process that proving it is under way. we had an lekelection on monday. we're about to have one on

tuesday. after a year of each candidate trying to tell how wow would get votes, this is the first chance to show it. we have the support that we have because of our approach. i recognize new hampshire is an independent thinking state full of folks who aren't going to be told what to do by iowa or anyone else. i know i have to come out and earn that support. as we go onto tuesday and beyond. >> if you were running for president or don't end up as a nominee. you're quite young, you have had a successful career as mayor in south bend, could you win a statewide race in indiana? >> depends on the race and the year. i don't go looking for offices to run for. every time i decided to run for office including this one and decided to not run for an office it's been a process that's about looking for what's needed in particular office.

and then wondering if i have something unique to offer. sizing that up and loiniining i. presidency requires a new approach. a situation room that would benefit from a commander in chief who wore the uniform. struggling with the communities like where i led a turn around in south bend. in order to win and govern, what i have to offer is just different and what it will take. >> you had strong word about the president's pardoning of war criminals tonight. i don't think i heard that mentioned on the trail before or in the debate even. the president is planning according to reports to campaign with some of the men he p pardoned. what message does that send? >> a gut punch who served. it actually plays into one of the worst things that is said about those who served in conflict. the idea that everybody ever

been in the conflict zone in uniform is somehow involved in war crimes and harming civilians. lt military has clear laws. on the difference between being sent into combat and those situations and committing war crime. for the president to throw out military justice is an insult to the military itself. it plays into the idea there's no different between a war fighter and war criminal. folks in the military are not happy about it. >> on the question of healthcare policy which people have gone around and around on. there's a critique you offered and medicare for all proposed by warren and sanders. isn't that the case there aren't the votes to pass what you would want to pass anyway? >> here's the good news, even compared to what president obama had to work with, there's a historic majority of americans

who want to see it happen. the problem is a majority among the american people can't seem to get any action among the american senate. that is why we need presidential leadership ready to engage that majoritiment i'm so focussed on politics and belonging that holds that majority together. most americans even conservative states think we ought to raise taxes on the wealth and use that for education and health. expecting something about climate change. you can only defy voters for so long. the big use of the blue and white airplane is not fly to golf courses but the backyard of the member of the senate defying my white house and their own voters in refusing to act on these things. that is the uniqueness of the moment in 2020. we have an american majority

hungry for action, ready to go. a responsibility to galvanize and not polarize that majority. to make sure this bad faith senate can't ignore the american people anymore. >> mayor buttigieg. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> i want to get some more feed back from the crowd here. i'll come to you. are you a new hampshire voter? undecided? >> i am. >> what did you think of the debate? >> i was grateful they talked about democracy reform and public funding and over turning citizens united and voting rights. in order to get anything done we need to fix the structure of democracy. >> i noticed joe biden was going after sanders for the impossibility of medicare for

all or political will. then he mentioned in passing we'll get an constitutional amendment to over turn citizens united. which is a good idea but tough. >> we need politicians willing to lead and fix democracy. and pledge that. >> did you find yourself being tipped one way or the other? >> i did think klobuchar and elizabeth warren did a great job. as two females opt stage. i have had a chance as a new hampshire voter to meet them all. and i still want to hear more about -- >> come on. you want to hear more. you're insane up here. >> i am. i have a 10 year-old daughter who met them too. >> next four years the bronx primaries. what did you think of mayor pete's back and forth with me

now? >> i i'm deeply concerned about how much money he's taking from billionaires. and it's a legitimate concern. he wants to fix the democracy and pass policies but he can't do that playing the game we're in. >> he's fund raising from rich donors that matter to you. >> it does. >> we're in new hampshire. every person in the room has met every candidate 57 times and undecided. we'll come back with some more. don't go anywhere. [ fast-paced drumming ]

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the question is who can go toe to toe with trump? he's the real threat to the country. let me say, you have to have experience to take him down. this is not a question of he's a nice guy who will listen. we need people with experience. i'm worried about mayor pete. you need to be able to go toe to toe with this guy and take him down on the debate stage or we'll lose. that's the issue in front of democratic issues. i have heard this debate all the time. if we win, we can get the right thing. i'm with you. if we win, we have to win or we are in deep trouble and we keep not talking about the facts.

>> mayor pete. >> here to talk about his candidate si for president. this is tom steyer. i notice in that clip you talk about your concern about experience. buttigieg is a two term mayor of a college town indiana. why should anyone think you have the experience given you have never won elected office in your life to be the person to defeat trump? >> what i'm saying it donald trump is running on the economy. he took out a full page ad today. which half was touting how great he is and the other half is how bad democrats are on the economy. we know that's what he's running on. if we can't beat him on that. if the candidate daent can't go toe to toe and doesn't have the experience. he can win. i spent 30 years building a

business. that couldn't succeed if i didn't understand job creation, prosperity and growth. everybody gets economic justice. he doesn't have a clue about economic justice. he'll try and make it about jobs and growth. and if we can't beat him on that it is the economy, stupid. he can win. i'm worried buttigieg has a couple years. that doesn't give you the ability to take down donald trump. he's a liar. when he talks about growth all the money is going to rich people. talking about jobs, you can't live on the jobs. every one of the things is bologna. you can't be intimidated and you have to know bha you're talking about. the further he goes the further you can go and show he's a fraud as a businessman. failure as a president and lying both times and that's what it will take. >> there are a few questions

tonight about bloomberg who is in the race but not competing in the early states. he spent $160 million. you spent around $100 million in tv. there's complaints there's something unjust in skewed about having individuals with vast personal fortunes come to the race and spending that and being able to get on the debate stage. bump the in your opinionumbers s the process. >> look, chris, this nomination is going to be won or lost based on message. do you have something differential true and important to say to the american people and can they trust you to represent them and do the things you're promising to do. so, when i lock at bloomberg, he is going to win or lose based on what he has to say and whether people can look at his record.

i'm a progressive. i'm running to break the corporate strangle hold on the government. i have ten years plus of fighting corporations and never losing. i'm the person who said climate is my number one priority. i'm the person who goes after it. more than 4 and a half million jobs created every year. i'm the person who can take down trump on the economy. i have a message. that is what will make he win or lose. that will make mr. bloomberg win or lose. you know me, this is what i did on impeachment. what i have done for over a decade when i see something wrong i go after it. as hard as i can. including putting in number to do the most important things in america. if that's the worst thing i do i'll be okay. >> all right. tom steyer: thank you for joining us.

>> joe biden will be joining us tonight. we have someone to speak on his behalf. he sits in his former seat. democrat from delaware. how are you, senator. have a seat. you're campaigning on joe biden's behalf. >> a little bit. >> i hate asking people in the context of campaigns. why aren't you polling better. and they're like i don't know. i'm just trying to get votes. part of the vice president's pitch is electability. head to head polling numbers against trump have been good. and he's scared of him. >> the jury duty i just finished. >> there's proof in the pudding. if voters who get the most exposure in the earl will states come away thinking i don't know how good that guy is on the trail. or how ready he is.

that hurts the case. what do you say? >> let's see where we are after the first four contests. i think it's important we reserve judgment. what you saw on the stage tonight was joe biden the fighter. who has been knocked down by life several times, hard and always gets up and understands what it means to stand with people who get up and go to work and make a difference in communities and move forward despite hard things that happen. you saw a fighter tonight. through the next three primaries the first early ones. we'll moou move to states that are more representative. no disrespect. than iowa and new hampshire where he polls better. super-tuesday we'll have a much better representation of who is best positioned to mobilize america and engage folks and bridge the divides in our country. that joe biden cracked open

wider and confront trump on the stage. joe biden tonight is ready for the fight and ready fo win. >> some people i have heard that like joe biden. they say that what the president did in terms of ukraine was wrong. he deserved to be impeached but i'm worried there's this thing out there and created disinformation that attaches to joe biden and i worry the wave at fox news this will have its effect. what's your response? >> as we heard on the stage, pete said this first. donald trump will make up something to attack whoever is the nominee. he's got slanders and nicknames and lies. the ted cruz his father was involved in jfk. whoever we put up they will go after. remember it was in new hampshire that our party decided we'll put up john keri because he's a war

hero against bush. and they attacked him for not really being a war hero. i would look at who's got the heart and compassion to connect. who do average americans say yeah he knows me. who has the experience to put us back on the world stage as the leader that can solve climate. that can solve some of the big issues globally. and who has the experience to pick a great running mate and cabinet and move forward. that's joe. >> final question. vice president biden came up in a senate that was different than this. he was a senator from the time he was 35. >> 29. >> that's right. and sworn after 30. he served with the old segregationists senators through the 80s and 90s. there's a critique of him he essentially has ha model of how the senate works that is dated.

and keeps thinking of the times of deal making that doesn't exist anymore. >> clearly that's wrong. joe biden spent 36 years in the senate. chaired the judiciary committee and foreign relations. he has experience. he went with obama to the white house and as vice president he went back up to the hill and fought hammer and tongs for the biggest things they got done. healthcare or climate change and the recovery act. he knows what mcconnell did to shut down obama. and he better than anyone understands what it will take to win and what's possible to get done in the senate. he was part of the senate of 30 years ago. he fought the fights that are relevant today. when i hear pete say these are completely new challenges. they're not. challenges in 2020 are in 2016. we need someone who understands how to fight and win. he crossed the country in 2018 and campaigned for dozens.

he will do a better job of helping us win back the senate than any other candidate on the ticket. >> good to have you with us. we have another panel to discuss as well as michael more coming up.

democratic parties last presidential nominee clinton has criticized sanders record in the senate saying nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him. he got nothing done. klobuchar you served with sanders in the senate. is he going to get the support? >> not if you like him. will ghet the support from republicans? >> okay. i like bernie just fine. >> one of his surrogates is

here. oscar winning film maker. >> i'm glad to be here. what a great room of people. >> i want to ask, this came up several times in the debate. it's come up with people i talk to. there's a huge generational divide on the question. the socialism word. now how people feel about it as a first order question. how they worry other people feel about it. the worry is he will be nominated and drop a billion dollars of advertising on his head telling everyone in america he's a socialist and loves castro. and that will really hurt. what do you think, how do yo respond? >> i does love castro. that is true. listen, i hope they do that. what it will really remind people the last time in this past century when we had to fight and white semi-pri is all

that. it took a democratic socialist. roosevelt to defeat that and -- >> he did call himself that. >> it didn't exist then. >> 1972 he wrote the op-ed, saying that there should be no law discriminating against the law in love with someone with the same gender. he's ahead of the curb. this particular issue the idea of democratic socialism is the first should be last. and last should be first. and the rich man will have a harder time getting into heaven than ha camel getting through the eye of a needle. that's a democratic socialist before the term was invented. here's the choice this year. democratic party do we want the democratic party and democrat that is on the ballot. do we want somebody who is going

to be of essentially a president like fdr or do we want the democratic party of gold man sacks? that's our choice. we don't want goldman sachs. this is the wrong way to go. and playing it safe, whenever we play it safe we lose. keri, gore, mcgovern. >> you cut off the example. >> from the 80s on. we lose when we go safe and bland. we win when we take a risk and nominate somebody whose middle name is hue sane. i like obama but you think of who the people are that you're trying to please. it's conservative brother-in-law. at the thanksgiving table. stop worrying about him. bring out the hundred million americans who do not vote.

if we can convince two million of them to come out we have a white house. >> the other question i have. this is about part of the sanders proposition for electability is that. organizing. bringing out new voters and turning people out. the first pilot run was iowa. the turn out was roughly the same as 2016. people thought it would be higher. it wasn't. the percentage of fist time caucus goers was down slightly. it seems as a test of the sanders thesis the numbers in iowa don't necessarily bear out -- >> i was in iowa for two weeks. it was very clear that the american people are in the -- there's a despair. i saw that. it wasn't who was running this year. it was after three years of donald trump, people are very -- too many people have given up. i don't want them to give up.

when they hear the thing about socialism, think the biggest socialist is donald trump. he believes in socialism for the rich. tax breaks for the rich. socialism giving free stuff to corporations. tax breaks for corporations. all this -- >> $30 million in. >> socialism for the wealthy. the people who got the money want more money for themss to spread to redistribute. they believe in redistribution. they like to distribute our money and give it to large corporations and business. it's like i want this debate. i want this, so does bernie. you want a fighter. that is bernie. he will not relent. he can't be bought. he won't sell out. this debate tonight i really enjoyed it. i clapped for each candidate. every candidate said something

great. what they said about war and peace. what tom steyer said about race. and klobuchar, you've got to love her. >> she had a wonderful night, yeah. >> she's also just honest. what you see, that's the real deal. she's not trying to fake an answer and pander to you. she's going to say what she says. and when she said that to pete buttigieg about, you said that you were bored with the trial, that you'd rather watch cartoons. and then the camera cut to him, and like a cartoon character, he raised his hand like this, like oh, don't do that. but you really saw how kind of -- look, it didn't get said tonight. i'm sorry to take -- but let's have a round of applause for the fact that we have maybe a tie for first. i think bernie won the popular vote. but we had a gay man in the united states of america won a primary, tied a primary. >> a tie.

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we are back here live in manchester, new hampshire. i've got with me here, brittany cunningham, co-host of pod save the people. dave corn, washington bureau chief at mother jones. we were just speaking before we went on the air that it was, again, i thought it was a very good debate and very substantive. there were the moments where people went at each other that were clearly kind of teed up, but nothing really past that. >> yeah, it felt like a little bit like they sang kumbaya before they came out onstage, which frankly i think a lot of us were pleased to see. >> exactly because they are trying to appeal to the democratic voter who is super nervous about too much fighting. >> i'm not convinced of that.

honestly, i don't get the sense that when people talk about the iowa numbers, people not coming out, bernie got big, big numbers on youth. they beat 2008. but i think there's a lot of democratic voters whose attitude is like, pick somebody. >> yes, totally. let me know when you've got a nominee. >> i'm not so invested in this. i want somebody to run against, and i don't know who. >> in fact, i'll do you one more than that. i think there are people that feel a feeling of dread triggered by the primary. they want to get past it because once the decision's been made, they don't have to make a decision anymore. they don't have to deal with this. they feel like they're being given an exam they don't know the answer to, which is like who is the most electable? i don't frickin' know. why are you asking me? >> you were talking earlier in the hour, and i met people like this in the last couple days. well, who are you considering? well, warren, buttigieg, steyer, and maybe klobuchar.

>> and michelle obama and oprah and all of them. >> it's like what do you want to eat for breakfast? you can have steak, chicken, eggs, cereal, oranges. how do you decide? >> yeah. >> and what we have now is we don't have lanes. people talked about lanes. there's the moderate lane and the progressive lane. when i talk to voters, what they're looking for is outside any lane. they want who they think can win, who they feel connected to, partly in new hampshire, someone who carried their groceries in for them. >> right. >> it could be any of that stuff, and they all are kind of -- kind of acceptable. i don't see anybody hating -- any voters hating these choices. >> i don't know that i would wholeheartedly agree with that. >> what do you hate? >> i'm not saying i hate, but i think there's something really important that we have to make sure is in the conversation because part of the dread that people are feeling is a worry about whether or not they can actually trust this electoral process, after everything that

happened in iowa and the ways in which people were continuously disenfranchised in 2016, in 2018. people are dreading going to the ballot box and all of that effort, all of this conversation, all of these debates being for absolute naught. i'm very, very glad that amy klobuchar mentioned voting rights on this debate stage because frankly it doesn't matter who carries your groceries to the car if we don't get that part right. >> election security, >> i wrote a book about this. i care about it a lot. we don't have, even in the aftermath of this impeachment, which started with the russia scandal and attacking the last election, we still don't have too many of the democrats when they have a high profile debate like tonight talking about what needs to be done to make sure we have a fair election at home and in terms of foreign intervention. >> to be fair, right, people of color in this country -- we've been talking about this for a very long time. >> we share your pain now. >> we've been talking about this

for a very long time, and there is a question. they talked about the fact that somebody shouldn't be able to pay their way onto that stage. but there is one thing that tom steyer and michael bloomberg could pay for with the billions of dollars they have. it's the fines, fees and restitutions that are standing in between a million floridians and the ballot box. that's a choice. >> i don't understand how no one has written that check. >> that's a choice you can make if you're really committed to our democracy. >> bloomberg wouldn't notice it was missing. >> one thing that chris coons said when he was talking to you struck me, which is in 2004, you remember this -- we remember this election quite well. they swift boated a guy who literally had a medal. >> and who was literally nominated precisely on the exact same thinking now of who can go up against bush in time of war? oh, the war hero. let's nominate the war hero. >> and bush had some very strong

weaknesses on that. and it occurred to me tonight that to the extent anybody laid any punches on anybody it was on pete buttigieg, it seemed to me. he was talking about i'm going to get up there and talk to donald trump about, you know, my relationship or our relationship to god and the relationship to service. he had one other element, where he was from. and i think, you know, one of the mistakes that i think democratic voters tend to make, they want to fall in love with somebody. and i think donald trump has a playing court. he has a court, right? and that court is individual bona fides. in terms of a résume, hillary clinton, because she fought on that terrain, he's a horrible person, which i think everybody here would agree. but as soon as you take him onto that court, he has an advantage because he has no shame. the candidate i think that's going to win is going to come up there with a policy set that is

going to ignore what he says personally and is going to move forward. and i think that's what occurred to me when i heard about that swift boating. >> you know, that connects to something that was interesting to me about the state of the union response which happened this week, which is gretchen whitmer got up there and it was just like this very kitchen table kind of laundry list kind of elder care and things like that. at some level, you feel like, no, but did you hear what that guy just did? what are you talking elder care? >> this is the question. >> this is the question. i don't know about the answer. >> can normal beat abnormal? we don't know. hillary couldn't figure out how to do it. if you bring bernie into the equations -- >> it's not normal abnormal, it's policy versus personality. literally can you attack him on he wants to cut medicaid, or is it just so impossible in the maelstrom of his message that

you can't quite -- >> if you can't cut through the chaos with just policy, you're not going to be able to cut through the chaos because he's going to beat you when it comes to throwing mud as a person. >> i don't believe in trying to join him on the floor where he is. i fully believe in the fact that we can energize people by cutting through that noise and making sure we put up somebody not just with a policy package but with the temperament to be able to stand up next to a bully and speak to us anyway. i think that in particular the two women on the stage tonight did that. [ applause ] >> like chris, i've written and reported on policy forever. but at the end of the day, it's still one person versus another person. that's how it works. >> thank you so much for being here. that does it for us tonight live in manchester, new hampshire. this was so much fun. we're going to do it again soon. thanks, everybody here.

to all our undecided voters, i hope you make up your mind by tuesday. we will be back here live monday at 8:00. good night, everybody. he would get a terrible grin. that looked evil. >> they were sisters who's mom brought them here to live with others in this commune. >> we're having meels together and there was lots of parties. >> a swimming pool. a fleet of cool cars. it seemed like a kids fantasy. >> you were the little girl who got a horse