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who can go toe to toe with mr. trump? who can take down mr. trump because he's the real threat to the country. >> if we want to beat this president we have to be ready to move on from the playbook that we have relied on in the past and unified this country around a new and better vision. that's how we're going to win it. >> we bring our party together. it's an issue that we can all agree on and fight to end the corruption. we're the democrats. we should be the party on the side of hard working people and we can bring in independents and republicans on that. >> those comments come at the end of a week that saw democrats trending downward following monday's caucus debacle in iowa while president trump was trending upward delivering a made for tv if not entirely factual state of the unioned address.

and a subsequent victory lap on thursday. the latest have trump's approval rating at 49%. that's the highest of the presidency. keep in mind more than half of the country, 50% disapproves of the job he is doing. last night, there were seven democratic contenders facing off in the 8th presidential debate. it all comes ahead of the nation's first primary which happens in new hampshire on tuesday. the latest poll from nbc news shows bernie sanders and pete buttigieg leading the field of candidates. here's the exchange between the two front runners from last night. >> trying to unite this country at a moment when we need that kind of unification when our nominees dividing people with the politics that said if you don't go all the way to the edge it doesn't count. politics it says it's my way or the highway. >> are you talking about senator sanders. >> yes. because we have to bring as many people as we can into this process. >> unlike some of the folks up

here, i don't have 40 billionaires, pete, contributing to my campaign coming from the pharmaceutical industry, coming from wall street, and all the big money interests. amy klobuchar figured prominently in that discussion. >> she figured prominently in that discussion and she is someone that we have seen her on the debate stages get better and better. and the person that i see on the campaign trail and bring that to

the debate stage and last night there was one mention that stuck out to me. she mentioned mitt romney. i was sitting on the chris hayes set with a live audience. they started clapping. listen to that moment. >> every time i go out to talk about especially on the debate stage like that with lots of people tuned in, i leave it thinking i wanted to do a good job for you. for all of the people whose lives could be touched by that and i just didn't say enough, didn't fight hard enough, didn't tell you how bad i want this and how good we could make it if we just come together. >> and so of course that was elizabeth warren. we'll play you amy klobuchar in a second. the thing she said there. i'm out with her all the time on the campaign trial m when she asked if there was anything she thought she wanted to say on the

debate stage and didn't, she talks about the pressure that she feels to perform well for the voters that trust in her. that's not new. the thing that was new for me in listening to elizabeth warren is when she said she feels she didn't fight hard enough or tell people enough that she wanted this job and that's something that you saw echoed in what her advisers were saying on twitter. one of her senior strategists said that the guy that placed fourth in iowa got more speaking time on stage for the first hour than elizabeth warren but that might be true and i think that also plays on some of the stuff that we have been hearing about the coverage coming out of iowa for elizabeth warren but at the same time you need to make your moments on this debate stage and amy klobuchar is someone that is able to do that from the get-go. >> let's listen now. >> meeting the moment and that moment was these impeachment hearings and there was a lot of courage you saw from only a few

people. there was courage from doug jones our friend of alabama that took that tough vote. >> and to me i listen to her say mitt romney and hear her get applause from a democratic debate crowd and it feels like 2012 called and they're very confused but at the same time consider who mitt romney is. former governor of massachusetts. he has a house in new hampshire and new hampshire is not just democrats that can vote. independents are about 42% of the registered voter class here on the ground. when i talked to amy a few days ago she said those factor heavily into her strategy. >> i want to reference that elizabeth warren clip that we ran which we intended to run. we just didn't run it in the right order. elizabeth warren was not treated by the moderators last night like a person that came in third place in iowa.

we have seen the third place win. her surrogates have been saying what's going on here. we beat the former vice president on the ground in iowa by several points and they're seeing as the coverage has been out that the focus has been more on joe biden's underwhelming performance in iowa than on elizabeth warren underperforming him and what he might do on the ground in iowa but no question, she is full steam ahead to new hampshire. >> let's talk about the biden campaign. the first question was about his performance in iowa which again i think is part of the problem that we're talking about those things as opposed to the questions, the things that tom

said. that said it's affecting his campaign going into new hampshire. but the campaign is feeling good about what they saw from their candidate last night and talks about 2012 and he faced off for the first time in his debate. he had a little bit of a lethargic showing. that's when the term was coined by the campaign to describe the freak out that was happening among democratic voters. joe biden came in and the next debate was that vice presidential debate against paul ryan and he came out swinging and swinging hard. there was some talk about whether he was too enthusiastic but it was a good moment to show

that the ticket still had energy. and he knew he needed to come out swinging. let's play that moment when we hear hid him trying to share his enthusiasm with the audience. >> i think we should all stand and give him a show of how much we supported him. stand up and clap. get up there. who we are. that's who we are.

the story that i was talking about a few days ago is the fact that joe biden was completely off the trail here. he started off that debate saying that he took a hit in iowa and that he was in new hampshire and the campaign insists he's not going to take this for granted at all. he has two events on the public schedule. and an awful lot of retail. they see joe biden as the best retail politician in the race. expect to see him at a lot of diners doing town halls and shaking hands on the streets of new hampshire. that's what he prefers to do and not these what we call cattle calls that we're hosting today in concord. >> you were -- you are following the bernie sanders campaign. bernie sanders was a target of a lot of people including pete buttigieg. the two of them go into new hampshire neck in neck. statistically, how is the sanders campaign feeling about how last night and these few

days are going? >> they're feeling really good and you know, let me first start by saying you may see some people walking in front of our shot. we're also at a campus kick off. this is in a bar in manchester and students and young people and volunteers are going out and knocking on doors for senator sanders but the campaign feels good about how they did last night. they say he hit his point and i think they expected to receive a little bit more incoming fire from some of the other candidates. we of course did hear the typical back and forth that we heard over medicare for all for example. amy going after senator sanders and warren for that matter saying that this whole debate on medicare for all is not in the idea of reality because of the senate control. it will make it harder for a candidate with a president known to use those lay bobors. listen to how he responded to

that specific charge. >> it's a sad state of events. people say terrible things about joe and amy and anybody else up here but i think at the end of the day the way we defeat donald trump and everybody up here by the way is united no matter who wins this thing, we're all going to stand together to defeat donald trump. >> so there were jokes and hugs on stage and many trying to preach this tone of unity. there was a moment when the moderator asked about remarks that secretary clinton made about senator sanders that no one likes comments. we talked about how they worked together on the bipartisan amendment. that's what lead to the hub between vice president biden and senator sanders that we saw on stage and then senator sanders took that question right afterwards and said i'm not

going to respond directly to secretary clinton but we said we should be looking forward instead of back. he chose to look forward and continue that unity. >> there's a couple of billionaires in this race. he isn't one of them. that seems to be the attack he is using on pete buttigieg. he is the tool of the wealthy establishment. >> we're on the way to the first

event. it's about 15 degrees and he'll be making six stops on the day. >> south bend doesn't have the biggest donor network around. on one side of the stage joe biden was calling him a small city mayor and on the other side of the stage bernie sanders was suggesting that he was the billionaire, the donor elite's favorite and put him in the perfect situation. sanders is contending that buttigieg's fund-raising network that he's built up around the country he has several more fund-raisers planned after this new hampshire primary back on the west coast. you know, all of them are only able to give $2,700 like you or me would be able to to his campaign. at the same time, he has built up a donor network among these individuals that work for some of the top corporations in the

country which is exactly how bernie sanders is trying to distinguish himself from pete buttigieg. i want to play for you part of the former south bend mayor's response last night essentially suggesting that he is the new guy on the block and he is the one most focused on bringing not only democrats to the table and those independents and republicans in places like new hampshire. take a listen to pete buttigieg. >> the perspective i'm bringing is that of somebody whose life has been shaped by the decisions that are made in the big white buildings in washington dc. somebody who has guided a community written off as dying just a decade ago. somebody who knows what it means to be sent to war on orders that come out of the situation room. we need a perspective right now that will finally allow us to leave the politics of the past in the past, turn the page and bring change to washington before it's too late. >> you're using your beautiful

language and to make you sound like a cool newcomer but there's already a newcomer in the white house and it hasn't worked out for the country and joe biden jumped in pushing back against pete buttigieg saying the obama administration did well. look at what they pulled off over the course of 8 years and was trying to get the democratic electorate to harken back just a short time ago. this worked in iowa and now he is making a case that it will work again in new hampshire and if you're looking at polling it's him and bernie sanders at the top two and there's 270,000

democrats. >> i appreciate you standing out in the cold for us. you look nice and toasty but i'm grateful for it. thank you for being with us and thanks for pulling over to the side of the road for us. we appreciate it. joining me now, devalue patrick, 2020 presidential candidate and the former governor of massachusetts. governor, good to see you. thank you for joining us. >> good morning. >> and there are some complaints about the fact that you and i talked about this, that there's some diversity of opinion for sure as we saw in that debate and as our road warriors have told us, there's not a lot of ethnic diversity at the top level or of this race. what do you make of it? >> the debates have taken on an importance all beyond what they ought to have and what they deserve. you know, it's like i want to qualify to be on that stage but i don't actually want to go.

because it's not a great forum for engaging with voters. instead, i have done 60 different events over the course of the last 30 days or so engaged with more than 100,000 voters directly. not just shouting applause lines at them but listening to them. and what they tell me is that their needs, their anxieties about the state of our economy and how were certain it is, and the way the climate is changing and it's in crisis and we are acting like it's in crisis. these are all issues that i have dealt with unlike any of the other candidates who have plans, i have results. so that's something that i'm very interested in and are responding to and we're trying

to get them out to the polls on tuesday. >> but in truth, the readiness on the issues that you discuss, there just isn't that much space between the candidates, right? there's not a sense that for the average american that feels that issues like income, issues like climate, issues like reproductive health and women's rights and gay rights they are all going to be very similar under a democratic put and very different -- >> in terms of what they are. >> very different from what they are under donald trump. is the debate, do you think the debate is not a great place to demonstrate that? >> well, i think the format has been problematic but i don't want to spend a lot of time on that because i don't want to appear like i'm just complaining about it because i wasn't there. >> all right. let's pivot that into how do you make the argument that you are that guy for the majority of democrats whose priority in voting for a nominee is to defeat donald trump? >> and that is the point.

when i talk about readiness, it's not that i have -- or that any of us have wildly different positions on the issue. i'm talking about the experience of actually delivering on these issues and that means building coalitions. it means having a bold progressive agenda but enough self-confidence to bring into the conversation people who may not already agree with us. and if we are talking to people who don't already agree with us and demonstrating that we don't have to agree on everything before we work together on anything then we aren't really offering a difference from what is on offer right now in the white house. >> how do you have that conversation? is it just that it's early and those who are not agreeing are not really tuning in or listening? because that's the issue, right? 94% according to a new poll, 94% of republicans support donald trump and the party has shut out essentially people who are running against him. your former colleague is the

only one left. who are you talking to? it's the people that are not registered republicans and not registered democrats? >> i'm talking to everybody. you know? because the people that come and express what they're concerned about, who want to see a change not just in washington but in their lives, they don't identify their issues or themselves as democrats or independents or republicans. i remember going to a rotary club meeting in portssmith and we had a marvelous q and a and people coming up afterwards and they stayed. some of them ultimately signed up and have country bouted and afterwards someone pulled me aside and said it's a pretty republican crowd. they're usually not very warm to democrats and i made the point, i'm not running to be president of the democrats. i'm running to be president of the united states and that means that i have to go to where ever people are interested in regaining a sense of personal responsibility over their civic and political life. that's a difference in the kind

of leadership that i have offered in the past. it's about building bridges and bringing people in. that's how you get change that lasts. >> good to talk to you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> 2020 presidential candidate duvall patrick joining me. make sure to keep it tuned here. joy reid with a special edition of a.m. with joy from new hampshire. but first president trump has been emboldened and he is striking back. two high profile witnesses are now out of their jobs. why the trump purge may not end there. jobs. why the trump purge may not end there. ing for people 45 plus at average risk. i've heard a lot of excuses to avoid screening for colon cancer. i'm not worried. it doesn't run in my family. i can do it next year. no rush. cologuard is the noninvasive option that finds 92% of colon cancers. you just get the kit in the mail, go to the bathroom, collect your sample,

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sit here today in the u.s. capitol talking to our elected professionals, talking to our elected professionals is proof that you made the right decision 40 years ago to leave the soviet union and come here to the united states of america in search of a better life for our family. do not worry, i will be fine for telling the truth. >> he got thrown out of the white house today. walked out. we should all stand and give him a show of how much we supported him. stand up and clap. get up there. who we are. that's who we are. >> president trump said quote you'll see when he was asked about a possible pay back for his impeachment on friday. hours later the hammer fell on two key witnesses in the house inquiry. eu ambassador gordon sondland that gave a million dollars to trump's inauguration but later testified that trump sought a quid quo pro with ukraine was fired and the man on the left,

vindman, the top ukraine expert on the national security counsel and who criticized his conduct on the july 25th call was escorted out of the white house. and who did not testify in the inquiry was also removed. i want to bring in the political reporter for the washington post. thank you for joining me. vindman had said. we just played the part in his testimony where he spoke to his father and said don't worry i'll be okay for telling the truth and frankly almost all of the people who testified are gone. they have moved. they retired. they have taken on different jobs. they have been moved out of their jobs. everybody that did that knew that the story for whistleblowers typically doesn't end well. but there's something about the nature of this. days after the impeachment vote.

the purge that is taking place that is sending shivers down the spine of people that believe this isn't how democracy should work. >> the president said that he would deal with these people. and specifically those whose support he thought he would be able to keep. and that suggested that he would repay people and that's what we saw this week. the reality is the president has not given any real indication that his behavior or action or words will change but he has made it clear that he will change those that work with him and do not support him in everything that he does. >> so here's the issue. there are people that tweet me

and say aren't there laws against this and others that tweet back and say no, there aren't. if you serve on the national security counsel you serve at the pleasure of the president and if you serve as an ambassador you serve at the pleasure of the president. and be subpoenaed and accept the subpoena for there will be a price to pay. >> that is true and that is a message that the president has been sending for awhile and that's why it should not be a surprise this week we saw this when it come to the 2018 elections. when there were republicans who spoke out against the president and as we are heading into 2020 he has made it clear that if you want to maintain your seat be it in the white house and staffing

position, or being in the halls of conference you need to get in line behind the president. what the president also revealed is that it's so much that it's done in washington. and it isn't about laws and rules as much as it's about norms and the president pushed back on so many norms that things that used to be unheard of and thinking in materials of handling critics and people within your own camp that gave you a million dplars ollar of t own money he is doing things that make people question whether or not this is the direction that they would like the white house to continue going. and legal avenues still available for people that want

to challenge the president but the effort got thrown out of court on friday. there's probably freedom of information requests to get some documents around the ukraine matter but they don't matter because there's no more legal or political sanction that can likely be taken in the course of the next nine months so the only option for people who are frustrated by this is going to be the ballot. >> absolutely. which is why we see so many people campaigning, trying to get and trump supporters that have issue with the way things are being run to look at some democratic candidates. we saw him do incredibly well in iowa and quite a few counts that voted for obama in 2012 and even 208 but trump in 2016 consider him. there are people that previously supported trump that are uncomfortable with this new mode of operation and they're looking left at the president.

>> eugene, when you look at the debate that occurred last night, we just had it on the split screen with you and the targeting done between these candidates, the larger issue is that foremost americans that do not not like donald trump, many of whom are democrats and some of who are independents and some of whom are republicans there isn't a great deal of distance on the major issues but there are two pretty distinct camps in the democratic party that doesn't occur in the republican party right now under trump. >> absolutely and we saw that happen in iowa. we saw pete buttigieg come out as well as he did and we saw bernie sanders do as well as he did and that communicated that the larger debate happening on the left is happening at a state level. people are trying to decide whether or not they want to have a moderate person in the white house taking the country in that

direction or if they're looking for revolutionary radical change and i think that we will continue to see this to be the case. it's probably healthier for politics than a republican party that is 94% behind one candidate. especially a problematic candidate. that said, one of those parties is going to be more effective at getting out the vote if they don't have to deal with licking their wounds. and i think back to the 2012 election of mitt romney versus barrack obama. barrack obama with a strong ground operation. mitt romney coming in with both knees shot out very late in the game. it was july i think by the time

that nomination took place and most observers say that wasn't an easy fight. it wasn't a fair fight for mitt romney going into that fight against barrack obama. that may be a danger at this point. >> we are seeing something similar on the left right now. despite how much candidates in the democratic party try to make the case that the democratic party is unified and on one page, the reality is when faced or put up against the republican party right now it's the gop party that is more unified than the left and it's because for the most part it is fully embraced trumpism and i talk regularly to conservatives that are not fans of trump and they feel lost. when you talk to democrats and people on the left, they don't feel lost. they know where their tribes are. they know that there's a community and even leaders that they can go to and look to for support to advocate for their

policies and push back on what they view as problematic in washington. that's not the case on the right if you are not in the republican party because the g oxop as a we is on trump's side. >> let me ask you about a conversation that came up last night in the debate. a lot. there was a lot of conversation around people of color and african americans. none of which was had by people of color or african americans. how is that playing out? i just had a conversation with duval patrick about it that you heard. how does the democratic party square that problem? one of the most consistent groups for support in the democratic party that we're going to see manifest in south carolina is african americans. >> for awhile we have seen an absence of racial diversity on democratic debate stages. we do have andrew yang who reporting has actually shown it has actually lead to a surge of asian american involvement in the democratic party but the field has been overwhelmingly white but the reality is that the voters that -- the

candidates that black voters are supporting most have been well represented. the reality right now is that joe biden and bernie sanders and elizabeth warren are the three candidates that have the largest percentage combined of black support. will that change based on polls? that's what we are wondering will happen, if that will happen after nevada and south carolina because the reality right now is that iowa and new hampshire are overwhelmingly white states so the voice of black and latino americans has not been well represented so it's to be determined what will happen -- what will come from these results moving forward. >> one of the things that we talked about is the firewall that south carolina was going to be for joe biden. assuming he did possibly better than he did in iowa or that he actually ended up doing in iowa and maybe better than he's going to do in new hampshire. does that firewall hold when you get to a place like south carolina if african americans that have been in their support for joe biden see him faltering in these first two states?

>> he is hoping so and the reality is even if it does hold he wants to do well with voters who are not african americans. so he does show himself to be there and voters in iowa and new hampshire or nevada are doing it's not something that we have seen happen in the past. >> it's a pleasure to get your analysis. joining me fresh off the stage

in concord. 2020 presidential candidate. and that's not why you're there andrew. you were there because there were ideas that continue to captivate enough people to give you an estimation and put you high enough in the polls. what was your sentiment? between the front runners. >> too many families and people here in new hampshire and around the country. and unprecedented economic transformation our government is decades behind the curve. we need to speed up. we need to make it work for our people. that was our message last night and we felt like it hit home. >> by the way, the pin that you're wearing on one side it's

the math, make america think harder. what's the other one. >> well, the other one is a button saying that we need to protect women's reproductive right which is is the purpose of today's event. it was a privilege to address so many activists trying to protect women's reproductive rights around the country. >> we were talking about the differences between candidates, certainly with the front runners they fall into two buckets. i often think that you're in a different bucket and that might be why people enjoy listening to you. you sort of having -- have a different approach. and to the involvement that women should have in the economy it's interesting to see this article in the new york times yesterday about some of your former employees saying that they're seeing a different andrew yang than they did when they worked for you. i don't know if you had a chance to read this article but it suggests that at a time when

running your business you have a more cavalier use of racial stereotypes about asian americans and a lack of attention to certain issues around women. what is the -- what is your take on this?

>> i have been incredibly fortunate to work with women leaders at every level and every organization and that will be the same in my administration. that's the way our country needs to come together. i was on the debate stage a little while ago where i said we need women leaders because if you get too many men alone for too long we become morons. >> let's talk about your basic principles that don't get a lot of air time but you talk about some of the things that are going to have to be dealt with in this economy in which people feel so disaffected. and we're not prepared for that because we're still dealing with the last round of technological

advancement. >> that's 100% right. the fact is driving a truck is the most common job in 29 states and there's another 7 million americans working at truck stops and motels and diners around the country. that's one very obvious change and there's many inobvious changes around the scenes at our financial institutions, accounting firms. i was a lawyer for long enough to know that you can automate away a lot of paralegal and legal work. we're not acknowledging the scope and the rate of change that's going to be two to three times more disruptive than the industrial revolution and that included mass protests, the implementation of universal high school. we're going to have to think much, much bigger about what the economy of the future looks like. >> do you think universal basic income is a basis for a way in which we can build on that? is that getting traction with people with whom you talk? >> it is.

a majority of iowans think it's a good idea. universal basic income is the future. we have to start seeing ourselves as having intrisic value and not letting everyone tell us what the market is worth. we can actually say we have work independent of what the market is saying. >> good to see you. thank you for joining me. i appreciate it. >> always. see you soon. >> presidential candidate andrew yang joining me from concord, new hampshire. just days after the iowa caucus failure democrats are hoping to find redemption in the new hampshire primary.

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massive reporting delays in determining who would get a share of the 41 delegates at play in iowa. the minimum number of delegates needed to win the nomination on the first ballot is over 1,900. so iowa is statistically wildly insignificant leading to renewed questions about whether it's first in the nation caucus status should go away. joining me now, creator of woke vote and the former african american vote director for the nbc, and the executive director of the advancement project and michael steel, former rnc chairman and msnbc political analyst. welcome to all three of you. i want to start with you because on the night of the caucus you were on our air in this very

studio we are in saying that after -- i think it was 2012 cycle as head of the rnc, you were part of a process that looked at the nominating process and came to the conclusion that this is -- the way we were doing this, the way that you're watching the democrats do it now is neither effective nor representative of what the election process should look like. >> right. it's after the 2008 election cycle. task the incoming chairman, me, to look at our primary process on the republican side and i had put together a small group to study this and what i found was not only was it not representative of the country as a whole but being 91, 92% white with a 6% african american and historic and 4% black community it was also not representative politically of how the country was changing.

so my recommendation was let's get away from having these two states iowa and new hampshire so to set the pace for the rest of the country, you realize that these candidates have spent over a year in one state. they're not going to spend a year in the other 49 states between now and november. so the voting population does not have a sense of who these candidates are except through the lenses of iowa and new hampshire. and break the system up and rotating and do it on a regional basis. there are many number of ways that you can do this which you can take into account both demographic and political diversity in the country. >> that's michael's perspective having looked at the republican party process in 2008. from a democratic party process, the problems appear similar. this is not engaging the bulk of the democratic party and the

people that go out there and vote in a way that feels meaningful to a lot of people. >> yeah. i think what is incredibly important to note is that in 2045 maybe as 2045 we believe that this country is going to be majority minority. so if we're looking at who's going to make the political decisions, who are going to be the majority of voters in a very short amount of time we're talking about a diverse group of people and iowa doesn't give us that. new hampshire doesn't really give us that so any shift in the way we engage voters early in this process needs to happen in states that reflect the demographics currently of this country and the pressing demographics that will come very soon. >> do you have a sense of what change would look like for you, what you'd like it to look like so it is more representative and basically just sort of give people a better sense, iowa has become a spectacle that is about

momentum and which relates to fund raising. >> what needs to happen is we need to start somewhere in the south, if you will whether it be in north carolina, start in states where we know that there is a party process that is stronger than some of the places like iowa where we saw the debacle happen. there's been issues with that caucus for years. everyone knows that. what it felt like to me it felt like voter suppression. it felt like voter disenfranchisement at its best. we saw that in 2018 in georgia so i think people like stacy abe ra abrams that are calling for systematic reform we need to think through how that will look for the next four years especially for our upcoming midterm elections. >> let me ask you, judith about what you think about a way that the democratic party can start to fix this immediately. to cause african americans in particular and a lot of youth who think the system is not

engaging thenyl in the way that it should and there's an expectation among democrats that republicans don't suffer from as much. an expectation around democrats that these are natural constituencies for them. >> iowa and new hampshire is the first two step states that are archaic. it's out of steps with the times and the shifts in our democracy and we can't use them as predictors of what's going to happen because these first two primaries start to discourage people. if they see southern outcomes then they start to think that they're actually is a candidate who is at the top of the list but then the rest of us know that the voters in those states are not representative of what is to come in -- later in the primary season. and so they've got to just ditch new hampshire and iowa. that is not representative of america and as we said, start looking at places like north carolina and georgia, virginia, as places where we see the shifts, this is how america looks and this is where we need

to use -- uses ore predictor of what's to come in the primaries. >> michael, is it just the geography and the demographics or is there a way that we can choose candidates that doesn't involve this drawn out process? >> well, again, my assessment of it and recommendation is that we look at consolidating this process as much as possible. you can either hold a regional primary so that you have, you know, in the north east go first one year or the south go first one year, or to be honest with you, do like we do in the general, have a national primary. you already have candidates who are starting to run national campaign strategy in the primary anyway. you look at the way for example mike bloomberg is approaching this and he's going to be on the tip of the spear of this change i think in many respects regardless of the outcome of his particular race, the decision to

go around the first four dates and put his investment to super tuesday. we have 16 states on the ballot that day. that is the -- that's a model and let's look at that because what you want at the end of the day is you want -- you want the candidates to get into as many states as possible and the people say well, iowa, you get to go knock on people's door and they get to know you. okay, that doesn't change. you'll still be able to do that but the idea of spending one year in one state to me is just the aberration in the system that leads to the kind of problem we saw on monday. >> it might satisfy older voters but for younger voters they must be wondering why do you have to engage in four or five primary days is there some way we can do this electronically, not with the system that handled the iowa vote obviously but for young people what does this look like for them. >> for young voters this seems

like it's archaic and we've got to start making voting easier and more accessible for young voters and for lower income folks. >> thank you for joining me on an important conversation. foerm rnc chairman michael steel and director executor of the advancement. my colleague joy reid picks up a special edition of a.m. joy. what have you got lined up? wait, joy's not -- i sort of hear noise but i don't hear joy's voice. right? all right. we are going to hang on for joy because she has got a whole thing lined up where she's got people around her, i believe. i'm just going to ask my control room, do we think we're getting joy? all right. joy is coming up in just a second because i want to hear her take on this whole thing. we're there in new hampshire to cover this event which is

supposed to create momentum for these candidates, help determine who's in the lead and help them raise more money. amy klobuchar seemed to do well amongst the audience that chris hayes had in new hampshire who had been watching the debate last night and klobuchar's team has said they raised money off the debate. so the one thing they do is they garner some analysis and they garner some money so that is the process that we're looking at in new hampshire but the criticism of the idea that iowa and new hampshire both don't demographically reflect america continues and joy, i know is going to have conversations about that with her guests as she comes up in new hampshire. but i -- i'm just going to try and get some clarity. joy's there? we got you, joy. >> hello. >> hello, friend. >> how are you doing, friend? >> we are good. >> i miss you out here. i wish you were here. >> i'm coming in. i'll be there tomorrow.

i'm going to do the show here tomorrow, i'm going to hand it back to you and make my way over to new hampshire. we had a robust conversation, a conversation i know you've been involved in about whether these methods of choosing people are the right ones moving forward especially in an increasingly demographically diverse democratic party in which we seem to be able to depend on the more demographically aspects of the party to show up and actually vote for candidates. >> yeah, you know, i will make a prediction. this is a prediction just based on having talked to a lot of senior level democrats people that have a lot of influence over the party and they seem to be unanimous is saying this is the last year it's likely to go this way. i think it's highly likely that the next time we have a presidential nominating contest more diverse states are going to go first. the iowa, new hampshire lock on being first is going to stop.

>> there have been candidates spending an entire year there. is it going to force candidates not to spend a year in one state but run a campaign that feels broader from the outset? >> yeah, i mean, if the idea i you know, and part of the criteria of getting on the debate stage was polling and fund raising there would be no better way to prove that you're able to do well in the polls and to fund raise than to force you candidates to try to compete in more diverse and in larger states. iowa and new hampshire are lovely places. we love being here in manchester, new hampshire but they don't demographically represent the country at least for the democrats. the republican party is 90% white. it doesn't make a dins because thaw don't really do well and they don't really even try to compete for -- not often for nonwhite voters. they don't compete, they don't do well but democrats need and depend on nonwhite voters in

order to get elected so i think you'll start to see the democratic national commit tease really pressured to change the order and we have the spokes person for the dnc that's going to be here and we're going to ask her about it. that's one of the many things i'm going to ask her today. >> this is a week when we should have had some sense of momentum coming out of iowa. it sort of got broken and the air got taken out of the room by the state of the union, the prayer breakfast, the thing that donald trump did after wards and then the purge of anybody who worked against donald trump. do you get a sense that the next three days are going to be some ability for democrats to take back that energy and momentum and for us to start to see what this race is going to look like? >> well, i got to figure that pete buttgieg and bernie sanders are extremely disappointed that neither of them got really a lift out of iowa. it's going to be a -- it's kind of a nonevent at this point. it's sort of a virtual tie so nobody really gets a lift out of that ration anyway.

i think that everyone is hoping there will be some clarity that comes out of new hampshire, but i got to tell you, because of that diversity issue i don't think this impacts south carolina or nevada. i don't think they're waiting to see what these early states do. they're going to do what they want to do. >> what do you make of the fact that the democratic party continues to be two tenths between progressives and moderates and two tenths between people who say we've got to find somebody who defeats trump versus i got to find somebody aligned with my politics. >> it's essentially two parties that are a coalition, notds really a unified party. there are some that are not aligned by being democrats. they are progressives who prefer democrats and i got to tell you, last night it was hard to make the case that the two strongest

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