that ration anyway. i think that everyone is hoping there will be some clarity that comes out of new hampshire, but i got to tell you, because of that diversity issue i don't think this impacts south carolina or nevada. i don't think they're waiting to see what these early states do. they're going to do what they want to do. >> what do you make of the fact that the democratic party continues to be two tenths between progressives and moderates and two tenths between people who say we've got to find somebody who defeats trump versus i got to find somebody aligned with my politics. >> it's essentially two parties that are a coalition, notds really a unified party. there are some that are not aligned by being democrats. they are progressives who prefer democrats and i got to tell you, last night it was hard to make the case that the two strongest

sort of represent tiatives of te two tents of the party were not the two women. they had the best debate last night. they were the strongest two candidates. it is weird to be in a party where the two women who were the strongest but the two women are not the top contenders when you look at the polls. there's a disconnect there between the quality of those parenations, the qualities of those candy says and where these are in the polls. i'll leave it at that. >> a conversation that i hope we continue to have because it's one the country needs to continue to have. >> i love having you around on the weekend by the way. >> this is going to make our weekend a lot more fun. thank you for watching. a.m. joy with the woman you are looking at joy reid begins right now from new hampshire. >> i propose a two cent wealth tax and one of the things we can do with that. we can cancel student loan debt

for 43 million americans and because african americans have to borrow more money to go to college, borrow more money while they're in college and have a harder time paying it back when they get out, that one law is going to help close the black/white wealth gap for people with student loans by about 20 points. we're saying to the rich folks, you keep your money and the rest of us will talk about racism, but not really do anything. i think the time for that is over. >> good morning and welcome to a.m. joy. we are live from beautiful manchester, new hampshire, just three days before the first primary of the 2020 season. right here in the granite state. and who would have guessed that a state like new hampshire with the population that's just 1.7% black would deliver the first substantive debate on race? but i guess it's black history month so anything can happen. and you just heard from elizabeth warren was just a

small sample of the discussion last night at a debate that notably featured just one candidate who is not white. shall we say some candidates faired better than others. warren showed off her intensity. pete buttgieg who's been an eloquent sound byte machine basically glitched. buttgieg has surged in the new hampshire polls after finishing in a dead laet with bernie sanders but when he had the chance to answer questions that have long haunted him about his role in the police department's mishandling of race relations he fumbled and other candidates jumped on what was a clear weakness. >> how do you explain the increase in black arrests in south bend under your leadership for marijuana possession? >> one of the strategies that our community adopted was to

target when there were cases where there was gun violence and gang violence which was slaughtering so many in our community. burying teenagers, disproportionately black teenagers. we adopted a strategy that said that drug enforce mts would be targeted in cases where there was a connection to the most violent group or gang connected to a murder. >> senator warren, is that a substantial answer from mayor buttgieg? >> no. >> on the other end of the spectrum in the race for the moderate lane in the primaries minnesota senator amy klobuchar received the highest post debate score from the "new york times" and one of the moments was when she highlighted the disparity and experience between the candidates. >> you said pete as you were campaigning through iowa as three of us were jurors in that impeachment hearing you said it was exhausting to watch and that you wanted to turn the channel and watch cartoons.

it is easy to go after washington because that's a popular thing to do. it is much harder as i see senator in the front row, such a leader, it is much harder to lead. and much harder to take those difficult positions. because i think this going after every single thing that people do because it's popular to say and makes you look like a cool newcomer, i don't think that's what people want right now. we have a newcomer in the white house and look where it got us. >> joining me now is columnist for the "washington post" and msnbc contribute tor. resident fellow at the harvard kendy school and founder of the beat dc and president and ceo of voter latino and also an msnbc contribute tor. i feel like i should bump up my resume sitting next to all of you folks. >> come on now, joy. >> it's fun that this stage looked so opposite of the democratic debate last night.

we're like the reverse of it. the rest of the whole country looks like. i want to start off, mayor pete came into this. he had to have known that he was going to be targeted because he did win in one since he won the iowa caucuses depending on whether you do popular vote or delegate count. big surprise it should have been a big lift for him it's kind of awash. but he had a target on him. let's take a listen to some of the candidates who had a go at him. >> unlike some of the folks up here i don't have 40 billionaires, pete, contributing to my campaign coming from the pharmaceutical industry, coming from wall street and all the big money interests. >> he's a mayor of a smul city who has done some good things but has not demi zratonstrated the ability and we'll soon find out to get a broad scope of support across the spectrum

including african americans and latinos. >> i think this going after everything people want to do, and make you feel like a cool newcomer. we have a newcomer in the white house and look where it got us. >> i'll start with you, jonathan. you interviewed mayor pete recently. you interviewed him a lot along this voed that he's gone on for almost a year now. he speaks to me in a consultantese. it's a complete paragraph sentence that it starts in one place, it ends up sort f of at the revoerse. last night when lindsey davis, the abc reporter, you know, didn't let him do that, he did an eloquent chunk of paragraph which is what he does and she said no, no, i need you to answer my question about these disparities he kind of glitched. it was the first time i saw him break where he didn't have a pat answer and it was not a strong

moment. >> it wasn't a strong moment because lindsey had what i thought was the perfectly constructed question to prevent any candidate from going back to their talking points. it was a specific question about a specific policy that had a specific negative impact on a constituency. he must win over if he wants to be the nominee. look, what impressed mayor pete -- what impressed me about mayor pete and a lot of theme is the fact that when you ask him a question he gives you a well thought out answer as if he'd been contemplating it for years. i call it being thoughtful. but thoughtful only carries you so far and we saw in this new hampshire debate that the so far has hit. he is now being pressed because he did so well in iowa, because he's doing well in the polls in new hampshire, because no one thought he would be here.

of course he has the target on his back and he should be prepared for those questions about his record as mayor of south bend particularly as it pertains to african americans, because the longer he goes in this race the more important those questions are going to be, even more important those questions are going to be and it then requires him to actually have an answer. and whether it's saying look, as he said in the other debate, i got it wrong or i didn't do -- i didn't try hard enough. he's got to have better answers, stronger answers. you call it a glitch as if he's a robot and i know people think he's a robot. i don't see him as a robot. i see him as a person who is in a spot no one expected him to be, maybe even he himself and the fact that he's there now and now really on the big stage is showing in the clips that you saw the -- the deficiencies that he has -- that he has to address if he's going to get beyond new

hampshire. >> and the first person that i was told watch for mayor pete was tiffany. you -- even before anyone else you were saying watch for him and i had forgotten that i interviewed him as i did one of the forums when they were all running for dnc chair. but you were the first person who said watch for him because this guy has a lot of potential. last night i think it -- that was the first time that he didn't seem as sure of himself and i don't think it was just on the race part. i think amy klobuchar who had a really strong debate, she has been trying to make the case that she is the qualified woman who's been doing the job at the work place all these years and he's the, you know, ceo's son who was working in the copy room and is now her boss. >> right. >> just put it in normal language and she's been trying to say but i'm the person who's been -- got the capabilities and that moderate link can only have one person in the end. did she make a case strong

enough to get her because she's below in the polls. did she make a case strong enough to compete with him in the polls? >> i think klobuchar did a stellar performance but you have to consider the audience as well. so we saw that senator harris was dragged for her criminal justice record. klobuchar has some answers to offer up as well. she concerns me because i've said this before, she's constantly talking about how she can win in red states and i always want to scream, you're running as democrat. talk to me about how you can appeal to voters like me. sure, she knocked pete off of this high horse that he sits on sometimes and i think that too is part of the challenge f we lad to look out for mayor pete early on because the media fell in love with him. they gifted him and blessed him with this platform before he earned it. and i think she does a great job of calling that out with pete and i think the problem why there is sometimes a chasm between pete and voters of color is because we see privilege in

him and this is not necessarily pete's fault. i mean, he can certainly do some things to help his own campaign when it comes to race but even last night a lot of the analysis, pete killed it and pete won the debate and i'm like gosh, did you talk to any people of color about his performance and -- >> they see themselves in them. i think a lot of the media landscape and if you, you know, i think if you look at the landscape of the media it mirrors the political stage and i think if any candidate was polling at 4% with white america we would never call him in the front runner but pete is gifted with that platform. so both of them have a little bit of work to do but at the end of the day i think people are looking for a candidate. we can pick apart your past all day long. the fate of the world depends on a lot of these democratic debates and people want to know what will you do in office. we can keep revisiting the past. will you have a debt to owe. thank you black voters for

putting me here, thank you latino voters. thank you underprivileged voters now i owe you a debt and i'll going to focus on that. >> you talk a lot about the -- mayor pete talks about it too. we're looking at this new world whether it's on technology, it's not necessarily things that he dealt with as mayor but he's saying we have to start looking to the future and amy klobuchar will have the same question. ironically she would have the same problem. she's not exactly polling in great places with african americans. she has a criminal justice issue same as he does. so it is interesting that they're both fighting for this middle that looked like that stage, not like this table. >> and it's a middle that let's not forget, the last time that white males voted for a democrat was lbj. right. >> so you're fighting for a middle that is increasingly nonexistent. instead of thinking who do i

appeal to and who do i go to. i saw this really interesting clip with angela rice and she asked him in that interview, name two black women that would be part of that cabinet and he hemmed and hawed with all the issues that he's having with this idea of talent and diversifying and reflecting the country that he wants to serve, that should have been an easy answer. that was a softball and he had a really challenging time coming up with two and it was uncomfortable watching him to try to come up with two and i think when we are looking at how do we win, democrat registered democrats are going to go out. i think that they see that there is incredible danger but if the electoral base, we're talking about 12 million unregistered young people that will be able to cast a ballot for the very first time, two thirds of who are kids of color, if they do not hear a candidate talking to them about issues they're talking about they may stay home. that is a sure way to lose. i keep saying if you're in the business of selling nikes, ogo

where the largest target of places where people will buy your nikes and it's not going to be in the midwest. faithful democrats are going to come out but the people that are there the south when you're talking about close to, you know, 70% of the people that can change your base, if you're not inspooiring them and respecting them and identifying what keeps them up at night that's going to be hard. >> that's going to be difficult and i have to give a shout out to tom steyer who brought up a lot of the race questions last night and he went at joe biden's black support directly. it was an interesting, you know, place to do it from new hampshire to go right for the black support of the guy who's leading in south carolina, joe biden. >> the audience has got such a distraction sometimes. t they're singing for their supper. >> we'll have them all throughout the show today. of course because this is our

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president wants very much to stick a label on every candidate. we're not only going to have to win this time we have to bring along the united states senate and bernie's labeled himself, not me, a democratic socialist. i think that's the label that the president is going to lay on everyone running with bernie if he's the nominee. >> joe biden went after bernie sanders last night for being a self-avowed democratic socialist but sanders isn't backing down from the label. in fact earlier this week he turned the criticism of socialism which is sure to be dropped on whoever becomes the democratic nominee, let's just be honest, he turned it back on trump blasting him as the real socialist but for the ultra wealthy. >> in many ways donald trump is a socialist himself. he is a socialist who believes in massive help to large corporations and the rich. when trump was a private businessman he's a real estate developer, he himself received some $800 million in tax breaks

and subsidies to build luxury condominiums. that's called socialism for the very, very rich. >> joining me now is 2020 sanders campaign senior advisor. thank you for being here. >> it's good to be on. >> good to have you. let's talk about this socialism thing. joe biden went there and talked about the fact that this is something that donald trump is going to throw at any democrat but in the case of bernie sanders it won't be a lie. unusual for trump. is there any concern that you might have as a supporter that a campaign between donald trump and bernie sanders will become a national debate about socialism? >> i think that donald trump as you said is going to say that socialism is an issue with anybody that's a nominee but not just a supporter. i get to travel with the senator. i'm out with the people so i get to talk to people all the time and they really feel like the

system is rigged especially if you're a person of color who feels like the system has walked away from you and abandoned you when they really feel that nobody is speaking for them. donald trump giving tax breaks to the rich while regular working folks kind of left behind. no matter who the nominee is going to be, president trump is going to say they're a socialist, but he's going to lose no matter who the nominee is. >> but it's going to be true when he says it about bernie sanders. sanders himself calls himself a democratic socialist. he's wearing the label proudly. you know, the reality of campaigns, campaigns are negative and nasty. you know how it goes. there are going to be ads running in states like florida where there is a very, very strong cuban american venezuelan american element of the population that are very important voters that are going to be watching ads of bernie sanders praising fidel castro, and praising you know, things

like that. those video clips are out there. those are going to be in ads. do you think that bernie sanders can win florida when those ads drop? >> we had a great test case for that in iowa. most people think of iowa as a white place but it's 6% latino. we went into the communities. we listened to those communities. more importantly, joy, we hired those communities. so there's been a test case already like you said. those videos are out there and we won 43% of the people of color vote in iowa. we're going to spring board now to south carolina where our entire south carolina operation is run by black women. we're going to nevada where we had this great vote. in florida where i worked a lot. i own the largest latino political consulting in the world and what i hear down there is they want change and that the system is corrupt. >> but chuck, in -- if you're using iowa as a test case, overall turnout in iowa went

down in the caucuses versus 2016 and sanders, i mean i'm just telling you what the data, there was no revolution in terms of turnout and the margin of victory that sanders had was only 6,000 votes. he actually got fewer by percentage votes than he got in 2016 against hillary clinton. the proof of concept in iowa is not exactly good news for your campaign. >> oh, my god. it's the greatest news. let me tell you what happened there. the white vote went down. people of color vote went up. we had five satellite caucuses where we had spanish speakers to come in. >> one second. what i'm saying is hillary clinton lost iowa. if -- and the number of people who bothered to turn up to caucus this time was fewer, was smaller than the number who bothered to caucus in 2016, that does not tell me that sanders

has set up to win aiowa in november. the numbers went down. >> the numbers went up with young people and with people with color. that's a great indicator going into the states that are a lot more diverse. more regular white working class people did not turn up to vote. people of color turned up to vote for bernie sanders. and college turnout was more than it was in 2008. that's a great indicator. sure, we would have loved to have a great bigger turnout but the places that we doubled down with people of color and young people that turnout went through the roof. >> let's go into talking about the votes of people of color. this is one from my producers here. this is a poll showing senator sanders at 17% among registered black voters. biden is at 46%. and that was in january. one week later and this is the february economist poll, sanders actually wentz down by 11

percentage points. you now have biden at 43. you've gone down 3 points. sanders down just to 8%. elizabeth warren is now ahead of sanders with black votes. he's only 4% ahead of buttgieg and look at bloomberg. michael bloomberg with african american voters is 4% points higher. it is the future of the democratic party, but you can't win with only young voters. you also have to win with black voters over 30 and at least in looking at this data here senator sanders is going down with those voters. >> you could not be more right and i've spent my entire career doing this work and it's something i think all democrats would wake up to. you have to come to our community early and you need to invest. don't tell me about your endorsements, don't tell me about the forums you've been to. tell me about the money you're spending, the staff you're hiring and how early did you do

it. we started nine months ago in south carolina. that's why 83% of our staff are african american. that's why they're all from south carolina and the very first dollar we spent was talking to black voters. >> chuck, you're speaking my language. i've worked on a couple of campaigns. you and i could sing from the same song book in investing in the communities but my question is, can senator sanders wrapping his arms and the idea of democratic socialism, black people over 30, it can't just be young voters, can he win black voters over 30 and get them to the polls wrapping himself around socialism. >> you can tell i grew up in east texas and i've been going to a baptist church as long as i was old enough to be dragged in to sunday. you've got to get down there and you've got to be there early and that's what we've done. maybe we win, maybe we don't. >> wait a minute. why do you suppose bloomberg is

out polling bernie? >> if you've done campaigns you know that millions and millions of people are investing -- >> he's investing a lot of money. >> he's a full time employment agency for political operatives in the south. good for them. >> please come back. i love having you on. >> thanks for having me, joy. >> really appreciate you. more a.m. joy live from new hampshire next. y live from new hampshire next

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this is an astonishing victory for our organization, our values, our campaign and our candidacy. >> what i want to do today, three days late is to thank the people of iowa for the very strong victory they gave us at the iowa caucuses on monday night. >> five days after the iowa caucuses and with 100% of the vote finally in, there is still no clear winner. no official winner anyway. no clear official winner in iowa

but that didn't stop pete buttgieg and bernie sanders from declaring victory anyway. buttgieg and sanders in a virtual dead heat with elizabeth warren and joe biden close behind but with numerous reports of errors and inconsistencies, dnc chairman is demanding a recanvass. joining me now is the communications director for the dnc. thanks for being here. >> thanks. >> this is the final results, mayor pete buttgieg with 26.2%. elizabeth warren with 18 and amy globe sh klobuchar at 8.3. part of the disappointment not only to iowa voters. in a caucus you stand around for hours and hours but neither of

these kancandidates could walk y with a clear victory. it really was awash. is this a case where iowa has proved this system to be obsolete? >> well, i think that first of all the iowa democratic party and the dnc we don't declare a winner for the iowa caucus. just putting this case aside, you'll remember in 2016 everyone was declaring victory and this is normally the case. >> donald trump wanted it thrown out because he got beat by ted cruz. >> you have the popular vote, the delegate count, the state delegate equivalent and you have the national convention delegates which that ultimately gives you the path to the nomination and so i think that yes, there will be an important conversation every four years we look back at the process and say what worked and what didn't work. you'll remember in 2004 they added south carolina and nevada to the first four early states so we could have some diversity in the first four early states so i think the caucuses and the

system will be be looked at after 2020. >>nd i think it has to and the dnc has that power because i also remember when michigan and florida tried to go early. the dnc could just make the decision. they could just say we're not going to have iowa and new hampshire go first. we're going to have georgia or florida go first or any state to go first. why not just commit to that now? why won't the dnc say they're going to change this? >> tom perez can't single handedly change it. we have a membership and they will vote on it and there will be a process where that happens and you'll remember after 2016 superdelegates was the big thing and so after 2016 they decided to not do away with superdelegates completely but change their role. i have to imagine that after 2020 a group will come together and say okay, let's look at the order of the states. let's look at the role, how can we fix it. what do we do with caucuses and i think that that's what -- there were changes made this time around that i think that

ended up giving us more information about the caucuses frankly that -- and there was more transparency but then people were able to see the numbers. >> i'm glad you mentioned that, the changes, because after the 2016 really nasty primary in which a lot of bernie sanders supporters blamed the dnc and they thought somehow the dnc had rigged the primary to get 4 million more votes for hillary clinton, but somehow they rigged it. that's what they believed. so perez formed this unity coalition commission that was comprised of a lot of bernie sanders supporters some of whom democrats had a problem. but they still got to be on the commission. he did this sort of national tour and the rules that were made that were set up that created the caucus as it was this week were created out of that. so sanders team had a heavy influence over it. taking away superdelegates for a lot of african americans that meant black election officials.

a lot of them are black elected officials, people of color, it's the only power they had, that was taken away just to appease the sanders supporters and what we got was a mess in iowa. so you know, there are a lot of particularly african americans a lot of people of color who are angry at tom perez and feel like he made these rules. the idea of buying the app to count quicker, a lot of people are laying that at tom perez's feet. some saying he should resign. what is the response to that? >> well, there will always be a blame game and the dnc is used as a punching bag. that is the reality. we are happy to take the punches. what we're doing is making sure there's a fair process. >> do you think the rules were changed in a way that made it more complicated, made it messy and allowed this app situation to happen is that the part of the party? >> first of all we want a transparency in this entire process and that's why there were changes in the rules. there were hillary clinton

supporters and bernie sanders supporters who were a part of this process. tom perez can't wave a wand and make these decisions there are members that represent the entire party that do this and they wanted to give a voice to the grass roots and there is why there is more transparency. people felt that for some reason the 2016 election wasn't transparent so when it came to superdelegates what was said is superdelegate cans vote but we want to make sure that they don't overturn the will of the people. >> not no they did because they didn't. >> they didn't that's right but we needed to make sure there was trust in our party and we needed to bring the party together. after 2016 the most important thing we could have done is come together as a party and have unity. the only way we were going to have unity is to have transparency and make changes to the rules. we can't go into a convention divided. that will only help donald trump. and so that's what was tom perez's goal and tom perez will be criticized left and right.

but his number one focus is to beat trump and he wants to bring the party together in order to do that. >> i think that's clear that he does want to bring the party together. one of the biggest complaints aside from sanders supporters who have a thing, they don't like the dnc, is it part of the reason the party is the way it is, is that the party is controlled more so -- more than even by superdelegates or activists by part of the party by consultants. consultants run everything. consultants who do media strategy and rather than do the things you're latina, as a black person, the thing that gets our voters to vote is voter reregistrati reregistration. the way that we are a part of the system is that the civil rights movement registered us to vote. the jesse jackson registered by millions to vote people like us and that the party doesn't do that anymore, all they do is hire a burge of consultants and the consultants get all the

money and where's the money to register the voters. >> that is 100% a myth. our staff is full of women of color and i am just one of them and tom p rez being the first latino chair understands that we have to invest in communities. for the first time in a very long time, i can't remember a time whether the dnc has put money into organizing. what we did is bought cell phone numbers for millions of people because my mom, my grandma right now, my siblings, they don't have a land line anymore. everyone is on their cellular device. in order to reach out you have to reach them on their cell phone so what we're doing is organizing and making these investments for the nominee because what we understand this primary goes long they don't have the luxury of building up on organization in a short period of time in order to take charge. that's how donald trump won. he won because the rnc handed him over an infrastructure and that is what we want to do at the dmc. >> are y'all registering voters.

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welcome back to "a.m. joy." we will be coming to you live from manchester, new hampshire all weekend long as granite state voters get ready to cast their ballots in the nation's first primary on tuesday. you heard it last night from the candidates, if there's one thing thing agree on it's defeating donald trump. but they're still dealing with the debacle that resulted in delays iowa caucus results. here's what dnc chair tom prez told my friend rachel maddow thursday night about why he's calling for a recanvassing of certain areas. >> the range of the allocation of those 41 is not likely to be affected by any additional review, because there are over 2,000 or so state delegate

equivalents. the reason why i think it's important is because i want to make sure every iowa voter knows their vote was counted and i want to make sure every voter across the country knows their vote was counted and we take their vote seriously. >> that was not good enough for marcia fudge, who has called for perez to step down. she said it's a lack of leadership, if you have the iowa situation you don't throw them under the bus. you stand up, support and try to fix it. he doesn't lead on anything. ouch. joining me now is brittany cunningham, jonathan capehart, tiffany post, raymond buckley, and maria kumar. thank you all for being here. let's start by talking about the -- we just had the dnc on,

and she explained the process saying it wasn't obviously the dnc that caused the glitch but they have to live with it. i want to come to you first ray, the way we met you ran yourself, both you and pete buttigieg ran to be dnc chair. now you're watching the person who won that race, tom perez agonizing over the mess. what do you make of it? >> i think being a party chair, whether you're a national party chair or state party chair, you're -- you know, people want to throw their punches at you. it's a difficult and tough job. we all bring different skill sets. he does things better than i would be able to do. and my argument, of course, was that my years of experience on the dnc and running a state party provided a different skill set. and at the end of the day, pete is running for president and tom is the chair.

>> pete buttigieg obviously was mayor at the time of south bend, tom perez his background is a civil rights lawyer, i believe he ran the labor department. are you saying that not having the experience running a state party was an issue? running a party? >> that was part of my message that i felt it was important to have people of experience. >> does that translate -- we're trying to get a -- democrats are trying to find a president, does that apply there, too? >> i think if we look at some of our great presidents they came from different walks of life. when it comes to the party, i think that the reality is that tom is the chair. through this term we need to support him and make sure the dnc is successful. the moral imperative of every one of us is to defeat donald trump, that's more important than having discussions we're naturally going to have in a year and a half anyway. >> luckily you have a primary, not a caucus.

it probably will go better. shadow, strange names for acronyms. shadow was picked after leaders vetted venders to get a phone app to tabulate the results. >> sounds like a fraud guarantee. >> was this a problem of the -- there's a thing that's happening in politics. that is a lot of tech wizardry, a lot of people in successful democratic campaigns, like the clinton world or obama campaign going off and making apps and then they get to get an app sold to the democratic party and poof. >> this is a challenge sometimes. what happened, sadly, during clinton when she was running. the dnc was initially gutted. but you talk to individuals

inside the party, everybody wanted a startup, so they could do a spinoff. i think the challenge with tom is overseeing an election, and he was dependent on individuals that should have known technology to basically say, this is how -- this is how you actually navigate it. i will say with you, i think i personally know the folks, i think the biggest challenge is they have never been able to actually do a proof of concept. they have never been -- everything is done under the guise of a pilot program. the reason i speak in this space, is vote latino started in this organization. everything is metrics based, if it fails fast we move on to something else. when folks couldn't answer the basic question, is my information secure when i transfer it from me to you, these individuals didn't know the questions to ask pm as a

result it mars the work we're trying to do. we didn't even have trust in the process. when we're about to enter the most important election, trying to get african-american, latino voters who feel they're already disinfranchised this is not the place to start. on so how do we make sure the companies we use are being vetted, the right questions are asked. i think the trappings of this organization was brought in with silicone valley money but under the hubris we can do a start up. this is not the time to experiment. this is the time to win. >> i want to bring brittany in. i didn't get to see you yesterday. you came from campaign zero. you came from an organizing space during black lives matter. i think the reason that's important is, you know, that was not just hashtag. it was also human. showing up, in person, putting your body in the street. and the thing that concerns me

about the democratic party is they might have learned a long lesson from the obama campaign that all the giz mows and wizardry that was used because of the tech, the tech was not how they won. they won because they knocked on doors, showed up in person. but it feels like it's tech and gizmos and with yzardry, or am overreading it? >> no. it's not people first organizing. if you ask folks living in the bay, especially people of color, living in the bay area for 10, 20, 30 years they can tell you that silicone valley has a people problem. the housing prices are going so far up, folks are being excommunicated from the communities they've called home for a long time.

silicone valley is not known for how it builds human relationships. twitter was down for five minutes yesterday and we all acted like we couldn't text each other. we have to recognize if there's not a smart ground game we're not going to be effective on the digital front and we cannot afford anything less. there's a sitting governor in florida right now, celebrating the disinfranchisement of his citizens, and calling voting a privilege instead of the right it is. we need to marry the technical expertise with the on the ground expertise, human connection and investment that brings this situation together and make sure that people can actually trust this voting process and not be disenfranchised from it beyond iowa. >> tiffany, we talk about this all the time. the democratic party, there are people within the party from whom donald trump is an

existential crisis. i think of us sitting at the table. >> everybody. >> for a lot of voters he presents a political opportunity. there's different levels of threat depending on who you are. i worry the democratic party is caught up in the idea they're going to do digital and expand upon president obama's ability to do these high-tech ways of doing campaigning. but just going and making sure that church -- you know, churches have enough vans to take people. i talked to a lead firefighter who was -- you know, he was for biden, but he was saying whatever happened to the days when they came to the firehouse and made sure people were registered, it feels like that kind of organizing is getting left behind by a silicone valley mindset in a party that the people who support the party can't afford to lose. >> to brittany's point when you look at silicone valley, what do they look like? they don't necessarily look like the rest of the country. i talked to a lot of people who

have done organizing, they talk about the lack of outreach in multi-generational homes. there's something lost when you miss out on that on the ground canvassing. i think this highlights a point too about our election infrastructure. we have a lot of conversations happening about foreign election interference, which is a big deal. we saw jeff bezos phone get hacked, and he had all the protections in the world and it was able to penetrate his saf y safety. but we don't talk about the domestic interference. we saw that the trump aided gop was clogging the phone line. governor ron desantis, who we should highlight got money from lev parnas, there's questions about this, who has some shady practices when it comes to voter suppression there.

>> the guy who said don't monkey it up about his black opponent has shady operations? >> exactly. the fact this is a big deal, in 2018 leading up to the midterms our interference was so huge, there was less than 10 stories done on what was happening in our election infrastructure across the three main networks. that's a huge problem. the reason i think it got so little attention is because it impacts people that look like us. >> very quickly to that point. i think the challenge with acronym, they received $75 million to organize people of color when they are not actually experts in that. that is the challenge. people have a tendency of funding people that look like them to do the work that is not waking up people at night with existential crisis, we need to win. >> meanwhile tom steyer is going all over south carolina hiring black people to knock on doors and investing on infrastructure.

there are different ways to run a campaign is what i'm saying. >> yes. that's why yesterday, tom steyer you brought this up in a previous block. at the new hampshire debate, talking to south carolina, talking to black voters and hammering away at vice president biden. and tom steyer is spending a ton of money on advertising. leave aside what he's doing on the ground but a ton of advertising in south carolina which is why his numbers are bouncing up in south carolina. we should not forget the context. i thought it was interesting when tom steyer really went at vice president biden over his supporter senator harpolan. >> for the audience, it goes way back to the clinton era. >> the, quote, i don't want to buy the black vote, i want to rent it for a day. that's why tom steyer was pushing vice president biden, do

you disavow him? say it now. tell him to apologize. that is hard. i reached out to a source in south carolina and said can you give me the context for this? he sent me the story, and i said this is not good. >> i wonder if we have the same source. in 1986, he has a history of foot-and-mouth disease. >> yes. feel free to add me to the text message. i want to go back to you ray, your job in new hampshire is to organize a party to do the things we're talking about here. >> we're sensitive about it. we reach out to the community and percentage wise, based on the percentage of people of color in our population, versus elected officials are really -- we really try to reach out and empower and invest. we have city wide election officials, state senators, members of the house. so we make sure.

so much of what you say is so on point and so not heard in washington. so much of what irsaying was just -- what i was talking about, the grass roots organizing has been lost. hillary's campaign, as we all know, was based on metrics, not on people knocking on doors. new hampshire was one of the only swing states to survive because i said, no, we're knocking on doors. we're not pulling anyone out to vote that's going to vote for hillary that's not also voting for maggie for u.s. senate. so if i have the ability to say that, most other people don't have the relationships that can call people and say this is how we're doing it here. we built a strong infrastructure, knocking it on the doors, that's why we flipped this state from being very strong republican, to going to democrats. >> i want to show the upcoming caucuses, nevada is coming up.

much more diverse caucus, american samoa is on march 3rd, and then north dakota, wisconsin, guam, virgin islands. and then super tuesday. that's big. you have alabama, arkansas, california and california added itself to it, making it huge and it's a third of the delegates between them and texas. >> remember california gets a month for a final count. nobody is talking about that. >> that's a good point. >> they've already started voting. >> early. so the question is, then i'll come back to the table, how do you organize when that's the map. that's the map in one day. >> it's incredibly difficult. but i'm really glad you bring this up, because right now we're talking about this thing like all the latin x folks live in nevada and all the black folks

live in south carolina. i get the order of operations but we know amy klobuchar could not have complimented doug jones last night on the debate stage if it hadn't been for on the ground organizers and black church mothers driving the vans to elect doug jones. so we have to recognize the party has a responsibility to invest in communities of color all primary season and in advance of the general. it is difficult and obviously this is where somebody like mike bloomberg has an advantage and can come in with this because it is pocket change for him to continue to advertise and build infrastructure in a lot of these places. we know it takes money, point blank and the period. and a lot of folks are having trouble raising that and then justifying it in some of the smaller places. if we're going to win in november, the investment is necessary.

and if they want colored folks to believe they matter more than just november, then the investment is critical. >> by march 3rd, 56% of latinos will help determine who the next democratic nominee is. by florida it's 73%. this is an opportunity where the party actually depends a lot on the satellite grass roots organizations to do the work for them because none of them have the tent cals. at the same time it's a unique opportunity to thank registered voters. we need an army of voters in november and we need to start now. >> you need to register them. and the latasha brown -- >> praise her. >> these groups don't get the money that shadow and acronym get but they are the ones who help you win. >> yeah. really funding to black women or women of color from silicone valley is abysmal, sadly. i want to echo your point maria.

i was kind of disappointed about the conversations we're having in election for the first time this year the latino vote will eclipse black voters in terms of eligible voters but that's still an absent part of the conversation. when we talk in terms of diversity, everyone was upset about iowa. i was like my world doesn't center around iowa. we're talking 40 to 50,000 votes. here in new hampshire, delegates. that's less than 1% a candidate will need. it's the ability to appeal to the so-called swing voters or people who may sit out the process. that's why it matters to the do nor class and the media elites. again you think about the pockets across the country who feel left out, unheard, disregarded, discounted, and there still doesn't seem to be a lot of appeal to them in terms

of, you know, on ground organizing but also being left out of the conversation on the national media stage as well. >> last night's debate, you did not mention anything pertinent to the latino community, whether it's the idea of i.c.e. or puerto rico. for the first time, you're going to have four million young latinos who heard the president call their family's and loved ones, rapists and criminals. >> a lot of the time what they depend on to fix that is the condition candidate. it depends who gets picked because then they run the coordinated campaign. >> right now i think there's a tension going on right now. there is, who's the candidate and who's the one going to pull people out on one hand. and then the existential threat that we've been talking about where is the threat so big that

it does not matter who the nominee is that people will come out and vote. i think it's a 50/50 thing. i think we're going to get a nominee who will appeal to the base, but i think the base is going to drive -- >> don't we though? >> look, my mind is this. the democratic -- if -- people keep ask me, who can be the person who can beat donald trump. i say the democratic nominee. they say, no, give me a name. i say, the democratic nominee. if democrats vote for the democratic nominee for president. the democratic nominee for president will be president of the united states. i am tired of the bed-wetting of democrats who say but the nominee can't do that. >> but the nominee has to expand the base. >> i know the pick matters. but if it isn't the one i want,

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how do you explain the increase in black arrest under your leadership in south bend for marijuana possession. >> our community adopted to target when there was cases of gun violence and gang violence

which was slaughtering so many our communities burying disproportionate black teenagers. we adopted a policy that would be targeted in cases where there was a connection to the most violent group or gang connected to a murder. >> is that a substantial answer from mayor buttigieg? >> no. >> pete buttigieg's record on race came under fire during last night's debate in new hampshire. in the latest poll he's neck and neck with bernie sanders, ahead of tuesday's new hampshire primary. but he may run into some trouble when the primaries head to more racially diverse states like south carolina. during his tenure as mayor of south bend e he faced criticism over the firing of the city's first black police chief and the

shooting of a black person this summer. >> what do you make of the separation between those who support pete buttigieg but also the struggle to get traction among black voters? >> i think that here in south bend that black voters do support pete. maybe more than the media sees or notices because wherever there's an event, there's quite a few black people at that event and we can call a meeting and they show up. >> where do we find people who know him best may be supportive is it that folks don't know him or something else happening here? >> i'm fourth generation in south bend, i'm 48 years old and in the past three years i've seen the most positive change in my city in my lifetime. i don't know the story of south bend successes have been told as much as the stories of our struggles. and maybe even particular voices telling those stories. >> in terms of response, this

summer there was a shooting of a black man in this community, you know, there's been a long string of police shooting and police violence aimed at black men especially across the country we've seen what happens every time, the emotions flare, politicians are tasked with responding one way or the other. how did mayor pete buttigieg respond to the shooting of that man this summer and was it adequa adequate? >> he responded in a way i think you would anticipate. he knew the national media was coming to south bend and he had to be here on the front lines to express the concerns of residents in south bend. i think he did what he knew would work best in his favor, he was tackling this issue head on. but i think he was also surprised by the reaction to the shooting. >> in recent weeks people were offended that he said he could understand the plight of black folks because of his own journey. did that sit well with you all?

did it make sense? >> i remember seeing that on tv. i feel that being black is being black. i understand him understanding discrimination because of being gay. but being black, you can be white and gay and people not know you gay. but when you black you black. when people look at you, they don't know if you gay or straight, they gonna see the color of your skin and there's still a difference. >> mayor pete some would say has always been open with what he doesn't know. what does he need to learn about being black in america? >> a lot. >> such as what? >> you need to understand you can't just give african-americans lip service. we want to see real tangible change. the only thing that matters to us is money in our hand. we need to see the resources are flowing into our communities. that's what he doesn't really understand. i think he works off of a spread

sheet. but he doesn't really understand the impact of his decisions and of his policies. because he doesn't have that real connection. >> mayor pete is among a large field of democrats vying for the presidency. do you have favored candidates or candidates you're looking at and you like? >> bernie sanders. >> bernie sanders. >> i'm just going to keep mine to myself. >> that means not pete buttigieg. >> i'm not here to endorse anybody right now. but i support pete as a mayor of south bend, indiana. i support his -- i feel that he is progressive, and i feel that if he ends up being the president of the united states that he will put the policies and the changes that we need in this country to make us move forward. >> if mayor pete is the nominee, should he have to pick a woman or a person of color as his running mate? >> i think they should be at the top of his list and you go from there. i think there's brilliant,

qualified black women that would be excellent and i would hope anybody's list includes them. >> who are a couple of those names? >> nina turner, stacey abrams. >> senator harris. >> 57% of african-americans live in the south so you need a southern bell. you need a woman who can galvanized black voters, especially black women voters who are more inclined than any other group to go out and vote. >> joining me is tremayne lee. thank you for doing that. >> of course. >> i have been really interested in hearing what black south bend residents think of mayor pete. what is the most surprising thing you heard from that group of folks? >> surprising, that's tough. mayor pete does enjoy some support from black folks in south bend, primarily city leadership. once you get into the black community, far away from downtown where the city pumped tens of millions of dollars into

and then you come out to the neighborhoods that are struggling financially, lack of access to quality health care and all those things, the story of mayor pete becomes more complicated. you think of the struggle of black folks in this country, the way we're policed. think about the killing of eric logan over the summer. there are folks still not over the handling of the case. when you think about the first black police chief who was demoted after he had recordings allegedly of white police officers making racial comments. when you get to that space, that's where it gets tricky. mayor pete during the debates will say as a mayor i had to deal with the issues head on and learned on the ground. folks back home say he's still learning and didn't handle it well. i don't think there is anything surprising but i think there is a projection of why many black folks across the country cannot

connect to this person who by on paper, by all accounts is smart, a rhodes scholar, still can't make inroads with black voters so far. >> south bend is a pretty small city, it's 29% african-american. did people you spoke with, had they met him? spoke with him? was he somebody that was a frequent presence in the black community? >> when i asked those folks who support mayor pete, i say has he been around? they say, yes, he's attentive always there at the big events. you talk to the people on the other side of the tracks they say we haven't seen him. it took eric logan being shot for him to come to the community and try. for some it's a little too late, the campaign says folks need to get to know who mayor pete is,

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professionals is proof you made the right decision 40 years ago to leave the soviet union and come here to the united states of america in search of a better life for our family. do not worry, i will be fine for telling the truth. >> that clearly did not work out the way lieutenant colonel alex vindman thought it would. because this week we got a glimpse of what it would look like if people dare speak out against donald trump. fully emboldened by senate republicans who rigged his trial to acquit him and make him a ruler that can do anything he wants, donald trump launched a full-blown purge. he fived lieutenant colonel vindman and even fired his twin brother who worked for the national security council and late last night trump ousted another key impeachment witness, gordon sondland. at last night's democratic debate, joe biden address

vindman's firing. >> colonel vindman got thrown out of the white house today, walked out. i think he should have been pinning a medal on vindman and not on rush limbaugh. i think we should all stand and give colonel vindman a show of how much he supported him. stand up and clap for vindman. get up there. who we are. that's who we are. we are not what trump is. >> joining me now is curt bardell, and maya wiley. i thought he was going to say something else, he said get your up, it was an interesting moment, a big moment for joe biden. but i want to play you another interesting moment this week. i won't call it big, just interesting. here's a little bit of donald trump's celebratory speech on thursday after his rigged trial ended the way he ordered mitch

mcconnell to end it. >> it was evil, it was corrupt, it was dirty cops, it was leakers and liars. and you have to understand we first went through russia, russia, russia. it was all bull shit. these people are vicious. >> person in the east room, so dignified. and not long after that, donald trump began firing people. he started the purge. he purged sondland, who paid $1 million to be his eu ambassador. he purged lieutenant colonel vindman, he purged lieutenant colonel vindman's brother, threw them out and there apparently is more to come. curt, the lesson that donald trump appears to have learned is essentially that he is king and he is now acting like a sort of angry, erratic monarch.

what do you think republicans thought was going to happen when they freed him from impeachment -- from the conviction? >> i think that this is exactly what they thought would happen. at this point, we're three years into this. there are no surprises when it comes to donald trump and how everything is transactional with him and everything is loyalty at all costs and punishing those who go against him. i think republicans knew perfectly well when they voted to acquit donald trump in their sham trial, they were going to unleash a deranged lunatic on the rest of us, and he was going to act this way. i never want to hear from the republicans they're the party of national security, keeping america safe when decisions are made like this that have nothing to do with national security, keeping our homeland secure. they're making political decisions designed to inflict pain and suffering on career public servants who put their lives out there to tell the

truth, keep our country safe. this is an antithesis of what it should be to serve in our country. i remember when they were in control of congress, they were talking about the importance of having people come forward and tell the truth. they would yell at anyone trying to stop an official from testifying in their communities. where are they now? now they're just letting this happen. >> yeah, i've sort of compared to goffry if anyone watches "game of thrones." the more he was coddled, the more cruel and vindictive that he got, and sadistic that he got. donald trump is acting not that much differently. marie yovanovitch is also out, and she's the ambassador who had the bravery to testify as mr. vindman did. she said these are turbulent times we will persist and

prevail. she retired last week. donald trump has the right to fire these people, they serve at the pleasure of the president. he can do it, it's not illegal to do what he did. what message does it send to civil servants if you still have republicans trying to out the whistle-blower, you had rand paul, united states senator, put a note up on the floor of the -- in the well of the senate with what he claimed was the person's name. he tried to feed a question to chief justice roberts. they're trying to out this person. they're tormenting people. they tormented marie yovanovitch for a year rather than fire her. what message does this sent to civil servants. >> the message is clear, donald trump tweeted the message today when he said, i will consider it insubordination, insubordination, to do anything that i don't like. to speak out in any way that is inconsistent with my message, my view, and my power.

and that is exactly why we have whistle-blower protections, because public servants' loyalty is to the people of the united states of america. not to the president of the united states. that doesn't mean they can ignore direct ignore directives from the president. insubordination is, you tell me to do something, it's lawful, i don't do it, that's insubordination. what lieutenant colonel vindman did or marie yovanovitch or fiona hill or any other number of people that we can talk about that came forward to testify, by the way after being subpoenaed by congress, complying lawfully with the request from congress, is that they did what they were supposed to. they used the appropriate channels to register concerns and to tell the appropriate people that they had them. and when, at the impeachment trial, you had people like

senator lamar alexander say this was wrong and this was inappropriate, that should have made clear, cwhich we knew it wouldn't, but it should have made clear to a rational president, a presidential president and a president who cares about the rule of law, i don't like what they did, i don't agree with the path but what they did was appropriate and therefore they did their job. here we have the exact opposite and the signal is clear. and kurt is right, we have an unhinged and unleashed president who has basically driven fear into the hearts of public servants who would otherwise might do the right thing. they might not now. >> they might not now. we await to see whether his attorney general or members of the united states senate will then try to launch investigations on and persecute the people who dare to run against donald trump for president. thank you both very much. up next, a little something

for susan collins to think about. to think about. obama: he's been a leader throughout the country for the past twelve years, mr. michael bloomberg is here. vo: leadership in action. mayor bloomberg and president obama worked together in the fight for gun safety laws, to improve education, and to develop innovative ways to help teens gain the skills needed to find good jobs. obama: at a time when washington is divided in old ideological battles he shows us what can be achieved when we bring people together to seek pragmatic solutions. bloomberg: i'm mike bloomberg and i approve this message.

i believe that the president has learned from this case. >> what do you believe the president has learned?

>> the president has been impeached. that's a pretty big lesson. i believe that he will be much more cautious in the future. >> a lot of us heard that, and we thought what is that senator thinking? apparently she didn't even know. >> why do you have that feeling that he has changed that he learned a lesson? >> i may not be correct on that, it's more aspirational on my part. >> here's a thought. perhaps i'll write her a letter to inquire about her thought processes. if you can please bring me a pen and pad, hank. thank you. here we go. dear susan collins. hey, girl. i know you're concerned. you're always concerned, aren't you. but apparently you're not so concerned about the man that you and 50 of your friends just

voted to acquit on charges of corrupting the presidency and displaying contempt for, well, you the senate and the entire congress by refusing to comply with the impeachment investigation. you're not so concerned that you would dare to vote guilty. and that's why i'm writing to you, senator, the rest of your colleagues, we knew they would be falling all over themselves to take the knee to king donald trump, "game of thrones" style. but you are the one who's built your brand on pretending that you're opening, to bucking your party, you are the one who suggested maybe this time he'll be reasonable. you are the one who says, you're concerned. and yet once again, those concerns of amounted to nothing. once again, you have voted to condone the bad behavior of a powerful man. because trump is not just any republican, he's the guy delivering you more brett

kavanaughs for the supreme court. crying and screaming. strictly optional. ending women's bodily autonomy, guaranteed. what was amazing, know, senator collins about you and your fellow republicans' votes to acquit donald trump is that senators like you and lamar alexander and marco rubio actually admitted that you knew he was guilty. >> even if everything that the house has alleged is accepted as true, number one, removing the president is not a last resort. we have an election in november which is a far better and less damaging remedy. >> he delayed the military and other assistance to ukraine in order to encourage that investigation. i think he shouldn't have done it. i think it was wrong. inappropriate was the way i'd say, improper, crossing the line. >> it was wrong for him to ask a foreign country to investigate a political rival.

>> i mean, you all knew that he admitted that he was guilty. >> mr. president, what exactly did you hope zelensky would do about the bidens after your phone call? exactly? >> i would think if they were honest about it, they'd start a major investigation into the bidens. w that the house managers proved their case. >> he has done it before, he will do it again. what are the odds, if left in office, that he will continue trying to cheat? i will tell you. 100%. >> but you let him off anyway. because at the end of the day, as your democratic colleague senator sherrod brown said you were all too scared, too chicken to stand up to him. who wouldn't be scared to stand

up to this? >> it was evil. it was corrupt. it was dirty cops. it was leakers and liars. and you have to understand, we first went through russia, russia, russia. it was all bull shit. these people are vicious. >> i mean, who wouldn't be afraid to be called nasty names by the son? >> he has come to donald trump for his endorsement for money when he was running. he blew his chance bigly. and he's so bitter about it he cannot let it go. he's not brave. he's a coward. >> oh my god, he said bigly. besides, you assured that trump has learned his lesson. >> say hello to the people of utah and tell them, i'm sorry about mitt romney. i'm sorry. okay. adam schiff is a vicious,

horrible person. nancy pelosi is a horrible person. nadler, i know him much of my life. he's fought me in new york for 25 years. i always beat him. and if i didn't fire james comey, we would have never found this because when i fired that sleaze bag, all hell broke out. in my opinion, these are the cook cookedest, most dishonest, dirtiest people i have ever seen. >> that's the person you want to learn the error of his ways? meanwhile he's already announcing an enemies list. william barr has seized campaigns. and your colleagues have sicked the treasury department on hunter biden. weirdly, unlike with trump's tax returns they're complying. and friday trump took revenge on

lieutenant colonel vindman who testified against him, kicking him out of the white house. he also fired another key impeachment witness, gordon sondland, he made $1 million for his job. but i'm not worried because senator collins, you're concerned again. >> i obviously am not in favor of any kind of retribution against anyone who came forward. >> so well done, senator. as they say, why stick your neck out and be a hero when you can go along to get along. and maybe if you hide far enough behind the draperies, trump won't notice you and tweet mean things about you. i'll just sign off now senator with just a few thoughts from the one republican senator who apparently displayed the courage of his convictions this week.

senator mitt romney, who knew. >> were i to ignore the evidence that has been presented, and disregard what i believe my oath and the constitution demands of me for the sake of a partisan end, it would, i fear, expose my character to history's rebuke. and the censure of my own conscien conscience. >> senator collins, i'd also like to leave you with my final thoughts regarding your supreme confidence that the forever impeached, but also new and improved donald trump won't rig the november election with his russian friends. >> that does it for us today. stay tuned for more "a.m. joy" tomorrow live from new hampshire. and later today you can catch

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intentional, right, i think they're a little bit worried about what might happen, we might make news headlines outside the news. i don't know. >> fair. >> we are going to get there, though, i'm sure this year and we'll have a great time. >> i cannot wait. >> great show. i look forward to seeing you there tomorrow in new hampshire. to all of you a good day from msnbc headquarters here in new york. it's high noon in the east. welcome to weekends with alex witt. the trump purge, impeachment witnesses fired. we're asking if a congress can or should do anything to stop this. the looming 2020 question, which of these candidates can beat donald trump. a look at the ground game with three days to do until the primary. you can only do so much in a 14 by 14 area. >> we're going to go outside on our balcony if we need air. >> stranded on a ship while an

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