good evening, and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, democracy had a busy week. and this weekend, we're looking at new hampshire, of course, the second state where voters will render judgment in this tuesday's primary about the best democrat to take on president trump in november. and where our brand new nbc news poll has senator bernie sanders leadin ining a surging mayor pe buttigieg at second place, and within the margin of error, and both of them far ahead of former

vice president joe biden at fourth place. continuing the shakeup that began earlier this week in iowa, where, after much drama still playing out, we saw mayor pete make a statement and the biden campaign stunned into a panic. that was the atmosphere going into friday night's democratic debate in new hampshire, where the target on buttigieg's back was as large as president trump's. >> unlike some of the folks up here, i don't have 40 billionaires, pete, contributing to my campaign. [ applause ] coming from the pharmaceutical industry, coming from wall street, and all the big money stre interests. >> he's the mayor of a small city that has done some good things but has not demonstrated whether he has the ability to get a broad scope of supportafr

latinos. >> just going after everything, because it makes you look like a cool newcomer, that's not what people want. we have a newcomer in the white house and look where it got us. >> meanwhile, president trump is vengeful after his impeachment acquittal, pushrging witnesses d throwing darts at the democrat's disy disunity. but first, 2020, as the race to replace takes shape. let's bring in my panel. susan delpressio is a republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. and a former executive director of the new york state democratic party. susan, last night's debate was a little more contentious than the usual because of weather i couldn't get there.

but i watched. what do you think that we can take from the debate post iowa as we are now facing tuesday in new hampshire and as we go on to nevada and south carolina? >> i think that we saw pete buttigieg has strong shoulders to take what he did on that debate stage. he handled it well. i think we saw joe biden still not finding a moment that he needed to break out and show that he may have had front runner status for a while. but now he's got to earn it, and we haven't seen him do it on the debate stage. and amy klobuchar, she's someone to look out for. she could come in third in new hampshire potentially, and that would be a big, you know, upset. could show go on beyond that? i don't know. but she really delivered. and more and more people i speak to are like, i like her. i didn't expect to, but out of what i'm seeing, she seems the most realistic to take on donald trump.

>> i think that's absolutely right. i wanted amy klobuchar to do better earlier, because i thought she had a lot to say, just in my exposure to her over the years, watching her. she's a very strong sort of really fantastic senator. but it seemed like she's gotten into her stride a little later in the process than i would have liked her to. and we'll see if it plays out in new hampshire, and if it helps her sort of continue beyond that. but one of the big takeaways for me is joe biden not having that moment as you said. he really needed a very strong, powerful moment, and he didn't get it, and the question is will he ever regain it. what's the one thing that's interesting to me, no one is talking about the fact that elizabeth warren beat joe biden. there's something about where her candidacy and how folks have been talking about her candidacy right now that is a little lacking, and i'm not sure why. she's still doing strong, she's

still -- she had a couple of good moments last night, and i want her -- >> you're talking about elizabeth warren. >> yes, and i want her to bubble up in the conversation a bit more. but as susan said, pete buttigieg, he is the person that's going to absorb a lot of these attacks, and we'll see if he comes in first or second in new hampshire and if he has legs to go to november. >> let's take a listen to mayor pete's general response today in new hampshire about biden and others attacking his record. >> now, i know some folks are out there saying, what business does a mayor of south bend have running for the presidency? you don't have an office in washington. your community is a little out of the way. what i'm saying is that's exactly the point. right now, there are so many communities, so many americans, small and medium size cities like mine, and neighborhoods in some of the biggest cities in the country, that feel like washington can't even hear us.

>> now, is that a good political point to make, susan, because as we saw the votes as best we could with all of the debacle in iowa, it seemed that pete buttigieg's strength came from rural areas and areas outside of the big cities. and he was able to show a vote, according to the calculations that the state party released, he was number one. he got 1% of the -- i think 10% of 1% ahead of bernie sanders, according to their count, though it is not accepted by all media outlets. but is that strategy in his capacity to do that not a threat to donald trump if he's trying to sell that i'm the guy that can best defeat donald trump? >> i think he has a good argument there. i think being an outsider, he's one of the few outsiders on the stage who is doing so well in the polling. when you look at what happened

in iowa, besides all the negative things, bernie sanders did not do what he said he could do, and that's increase turnout. and get people to come out for him. >> turnout was the same as it was in '16. >> it was, it was. and bernie should have, based on his own arguments, should have killed it out there. he should have run away with it. but it shows that smart planning and campaign strategy does matter. and that's what pete buttigieg did. that's also why i think we saw amy klobuchar also swiping at him, because everyone hates this expression, but they share the same lane quite a bit. >> i'm sure you've already seen it, but for my audience, i want to play part of the new biden campaign ad, contrasting buttigieg's record with his own as vice president and senator to show you a point. >> -- made hard decisions. despite pressure from the nra, joe biden passed the ault

weapons ban through congress, then the violence against women act. even when public pressure mounted against him, former mayor pete fired the first african-american police chief of south bend and forced out the african-american fire chief, too. >> now, that ad shows that the vice president is trying to zero in on buttigieg, which you get what front-runner status, and to hit him with the african-american community. how do you respond to that ad? >> two things. one, it's a catch 22 for joe biden. the more he shows his experience, the more that he shows he's old. and that he may be past his time. and especially when he contrasts himself with pete buttigieg. now, on the issue of race, this is -- there was a really good moment last night when one of the moderators, lindsey davis, if i remember correctly, asked pete buttigieg a question. he kind of deflected a little bit, and then she pulled him back and said no, let's address

this issue. i thought that was a really important moment. that's why i'm not understanding why -- how iowa voters sort of thought him as more electable than say a joe biden, who actually has african-american support. so i think with pete buttigieg, he's got a lot of work to do if he is going to get past this sort of south carolina firewall. but the truth is that so far, even that narrative that he hasn't gotten a lot of african-american support, doesn't seem to have hurt him. that's disturbing to me, because i want him to go and fight more for it, but i'm wondering if anybody is going to fight him for it. >> one of the other people discussed last night wasn't on the stage, michael bloomberg, and now the dnc has changed the rules, and some are saying you changed the rules for bloomberg. people like me say i don't know that bloomberg wants to get into the debates or when you change the rules to raise the bar of

polling. i had tom perez on my radio show and said if you can't get 10%, how do we expect you to beat trump? i'm not concerned about raising the poll number, because you need 15% of the vote in iowa to get a delegate. so it's really an argument about nothing. if you can't get 15%, you're not getting delegates any way. >> there's only one little hiccup with what's going on. the dnc has done a great job, as a republican who saw what happened in 2016, let me tell you, they did a fantastic job. part of the argument that perez has is that now we're in voting season, so people -- they are getting votes, they are getting support. it takes away the donation. >> actual votes. >> but allowing mike bloomberg to participate before he's even on the ballot of any state could potentially make of an argument. >> that's a better argument rather than the polling, and i

think that is something that i agree, that you're now coming out of the preliminaries into the main. people -- the democrats want to see this president defeated. my pam will be back later in the show. joining me now from new hampshire, though, is democratic virginia congressman don bear, a campaign surrogate for pete buttigieg. thank you for coming on, congressman. let me go right to it. your candidate -- >> thank you very much. >> your candidate did well in iowa. do you project that will continue in new hampshire? and how does he deal with getting more black support? he seems to still have a problem in the polling of black voters. >> he does, reverend. i think he's going to do well here on tuesday. it looks like perhaps bernie versus pete race. but i'm looking forward to super tuesday.

you know, he does have a journey to go in the black community nationally, but i think he's ready for it. his douglas plan is the best policy prescription i've seen yet to lift up black families. we see that congressman anthony brown from maryland, who is african-american, has come on board to support him. my friend, bobby scott, who has been in congress since 1992, says one of the challenges with pete in the black community is he's not well known yet. but when they get to know him, he should do much better. >> now, a lack of black support has been an issue for buttigieg. i want to get your response to this moment from last night. >> how do you explain the increase in black arrests in south bend under your leadership for marijuana possession? >> one of the strategies that our community adopted was to target when there were cases when there was gun and gang violence, which was slaughtering so many in our community. burying teenagers

disproportionately black teenagers. we adopted a strategy that said drug enforcement would be targeted in cases where there was a connection to the most violent group or gang connected to a murder. >> senator warren, is that a substantial answer from mayor buttigieg? >> no. [ applause ] >> he will have to answer directly about his relationship with the black community where he was mayor. and i think that a lot of commentators have said his problem in south carolina is the homophobia in the black community. i don't think there's homophobia in the black community any larger percentage than the white community or other communities. in fact, we just saw the mayor of chicago elected overwhelming black support, and she is a very publicly -- said i am a lesbian, and she has a white partner in

an interracial homosexual relationship and the black community voted for her in big numbers. the issue for pete buttigieg is whether or not people can trust that he can, in fact, enact the douglas plan he's proposed. >> and i think in south bend, he will have to continue to make that argument what he was doing is saving black lives, that he was putting the reduction of violence ahead of a drug agenda. of course, the law was different then, too. we have moved towards decriminalization of marijuana across the country. it's a different world now than it was a few years ago. by the way, reverend, i agree with you too that there's no more homophobia in the black community than in the white community. that's not fair. >> i appreciate that. we're out of time, but what is your prediction, where do you think your candidate ends up in your state of new hampshire on

tuesday when all the votes are counted? >> i think he's first or second. and either one we consider a great strength movement towards the other 48 states. >> well, i will consider great victory if we get the vote count and announced winner on tuesday night. thank you for being with us, congressman. coming up, president trump has launched his revenge campaign. i'll explain in just a moment. but first, my colleague richard newy with today's top news stories. police in thailand say a soldier who went on a deadly shooting spree is holed up in a bangkok shopping mall. 20 people were killed during the rampage. another 31 injured. the first american has died from coronavirus in wuhan, china. a u.s. embassy spokesperson says that the 60-year-old u.s. citizen died on thursday. chinese health officials say 722

people have died from coronavirus in mainland china. two people have died elsewhere. one in the philippines, one in hong kong. more "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton right after the break. stick around. e break. stick around is mealtime a struggle?

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krscbs news reported last nt that a trump confidant said that gop senators were warned, vote against your president, vote against the president and your head will be on a pike.

i hope it's not true. >> house impeachment manager adam schiff was eviscerated by republicans when he made those comments about possible retaliation from president trump during the house impeachment trial. but after taking a victory lap over his acquittal in the senate, the president proved adam schiff right yesterday by su ma su marry firing two ambassadors, both of them testified under subpoena to the house and provided testimony damaging to the president. joining me now, congressman ben ray luhan of new mexico. congressman, your reaction to the president firing two of the witnesses subpoenaed to the house, one a decorated military

officer who they not only dismissed but tried to really denigrate him by escorting him out of the white house, like a criminal, physically walking him out the door. >> reverend, look, this shouldn't surprise us. this is political attacks at its very worst. the president said, and he previewed that he was going to be trying to find revenge where he could find it. and when we saw the firing of ambassador sondland, the firing of lieutenant colonel vinman, who received a purple heart, as well as lieutenant colonels vinman's twin brother, who also is serving, also a lieutenant colonel, all walked out to be embarrassed by this president, as well. this shouldn't surprise us as well, reverend. president trump has continued attack those who served our

country, attacking senator john mccain for being a prisoner of war. the president misled the american people about the injuries sustained by those serving in iraq, military professionals, personnel here from the united states, with the traumatic head injuries that we continue to hear about. so, again, just another sad day in the dark of night that we saw what is now being talked about as another friday night massacre by this president. >> just for the record, vinman and sondland, to your knowledge, has any of the republicans suggested they should be held for perjury, that they lied before congress? there was no statements that they made were proven to be untrue. so this is just -- they were not loyal to the president. >> reverend, this is exactly what you just described, which is political retaliation. this is firing because these folks were not loyal, absolute

loyal to the president of the united states. there's no question that the facts that were presented by lieutenant colonel vinman and so many other witnesses, all of the witnesses, they all told the same story. a similar story about the president breaking his oath to office. putting his own political future ahead of our national security in the united states of america, as well. there's no question here. the facts are all abundantly clear, and the president seems to be gloating now that he's taking this political revenge, so that he could intimidate others. make no mistake what this is about. >> now, i watched the state of the union address, and there was some attention given that the speaker and you're the assistant speaker, but nancy pelosier to up the president's speech afterward. but what was really provoking a lot of action is he refused to

shake the speaker's hand when he came in, something that i don't think i've ever seen done in any of the state of the union addresses by a president, who is a guest in the house chamber to make their speech. for him to come down the aisle and snub her was unprecedented and i think underreported. >> reverend, look, speaker pelosi extended her hand as did vice president pence. and president trump clearly decided he was not going to shake the speaker's hand before the comments or the remarks. you're correct, that there's been a lot of attention brought to that. but people can watch it for themselves, how the president just decided he looked down, and that he wasn't going to extend his own hand. so, again, look, that behavior continued when the president chose to use those ugly remarks at the prayer breakfast the next day, reverend, a prayer

breakfast that is held every year through faith, through prayer, to bring people together. and even the sermons that were delivered before president trump spoke himself talked about how we could put our differences aside and come together. and the president ignored those and just -- i don't know what he doesn't get. he didn't spend a lot of time growing up in church or how to behave in church. but had i spoken the way the president did in church, my mom would have had my ear in my hand and i would have had a bar of soap that i would have been chewing on. he needs to learn how to act respectfully for the good of the country, and figure out how to bring people together. i don't know that it's in him. >> usually, someone in victory would rise above. he went, like you said, in his statement there, at the prayer breakfast, even questioning whether or not people really prayed correctly or not for him. and then later in his statement

that he made in his victory rally really in the white house, where he referred to the former fbi director as a sleaze bag and said that once he fired him, all of the fbi guys and others started ratting on each other. that's the language of mobsters and gangsters. can you imagine a president of the united states saying people were ratting on each other, like there was something wrong if they were telling the truth about something that was inappropriate, improper, or even illegal? he's supposed to want that. >> that's right, reverend. a president should want fbi, department of justice professionals surrounding the president of the united states that are telling the truth, that are providing honest testimony and understanding that we're a nation of laws that are going to be upheld, that the constitution of the united states matters. this guiding document that was put together by our founders was

a brilliant document that understood that we are greater together. that in a democracy, it's the people in charge. this president seems to be doing everything he can to tear apart the department of justice, discredit the media, and tear about our constitution. and look, it just reminds me of the urgency of what's in front of us, that across america, we have to come together to defeat this president and make sure he's only a one-term president. >> thank you, congressman. coming up, what i really think about the newest recipient of the presidential medal of freedom. "politicsnation" will be right back. ion" will be right back the following is a list of snow day closings

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for this week's memo to trump, i want to talk about the newest recipient of the medal of freedom and what it says about you, mr. president, that you would award this country's highest civilian honor to a man like rush limbaugh. enshrining him forever alongside people like martin luther king, jr., rosa parks and harvey milk.

legendary artists like aretha franklin, jackie robinson, and ground breaking scientists like kathryn johnson, sally ride, and jonas salk. allow me to remind you what mr. limbaugh has said about a lot of people, starting with me. he's repeatedly aired a racist song pretending to be me, calling the song "barack the magic negro" and that's just a smart part of the themes of white supremacy and racism in limbaugh's body of work. if i tried to name them all, we would be here all night. but here is a sample. there was the time he did a racist impression of chinese speakers, or when he called the nba the thug basketball association. and the times he took his cue from you, mr. president, our racist in chief, when he propagated the birther lie about

president obama and referred to mexican immigrants as an invasion force. then there's a matter of limbaugh's long history of gleeful misogyny, including calling the 12-year-old chelsea clinton "the white house dog." slandering a college activist as a "slut" and coining the term "feminazi" which compares women to the perpetrators of the deadliest genocide in history. it's obvious you see him for his e enthusiasm for white nationalism. so is it any wonder, then, that you, perhaps the most narcissistic president we've ever had, would decide to tarnish this great honor by

awarding it to such a man. president kennedy established the presidential medal of freedom in 1963 by executive order for "any person who has made a contribution to the security or national interest of the united states or world peace or cultural and other significant or private endeavors." did rush limbaugh do any of that? i don't think so. not even close. from this stage, i'm calling on every american voter to vote you out of office because the biggest contribution i can imagine to the country's national interest, world peace or significant public endeavors, would be barring you from the white house forever. ite house f. whatever happens out there today, remember,

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president trump has thus far survived every effort by congressional democrats to check him through the resources at their disposal. this, of course, includes an entire impeachment trial. so at least for now, we can only look to the ballot box with the hope that enough american voters will hold him accountable where house democrats tried to and senate republicans refused to. joining me now, democratic wisconsin congresswoman gwenn moore, she's also an esteemed member of the congressional black caucus. congresswoman moore, what is the

mood in congress after the house voted to impeach the president and the senate, in a very partisan vote, other than mitt romney, and i must say that i've been one that's been very negative on this show about mitt romney, even calling him willard, but he stood up and showed courage, and i give him courage and i think he deserves a standing ovation that he got at the debate. but what is the mood in the house among your colleagues since the president was acquitted by the senate? >> well, thank you for having me, reverend al. i've talked to several of the house managers, and they really feel buoyed by that one vote, as adam schiff called for, just as a voice of conscience from the republican party. of course, we've seen since then that the former defense secretary, who trump overturned

the discipline of a war criminal come out and supported democratic candidate against donald trump. so i think that we're really -- i think we were expecting a real republican wall against our impeachment. and to the extent that we got that one vote from mitt romney, and several really confessions from other members of the republican senate that they, in fact, saw that he had done wrong, was more than we had anticipated, and i think that history will vindicate our position. >> now, will this -- two-part question. will this, in your judgment, energize a lot of voters to come out and say we will do what the senate did not do and how will this resonate and affect turnout in your home state of wisconsin that you have so ably

represented for years now, and it was a state that did not, at the end, give us electoral votes to the democratic candidate in 2016, hillary clinton? >> well, rech rend verend al is can't play. donald trump's rating has increased to 49%. it's never been this high till this point. so not only will this energize the democratic base, but it may, in fact, energize those opponents of the diversity in this country, quite frankly, that donald trump, you know, tries to cleanse the country of. so we've got to fight for every single vote. we cannot, as reverend barber said, we cannot continue to listen to these consultants who tell us to just believe those nonvoters alone, those sometime voters alone.

we have to do what reverend jackson has told us to do, and that is to pick up the rocks in our community. >> now, you're one of the co-sponsors of the crown act, which seeks to ban discrimination based on hair texture or style, something that primarily affects the black community. tell me briefly about that legislation. >> well, the crown act really bans -- it's a federal ban against discrimination against black hair. you know, the civil rights act of 1964, as you realized, banned discrimination based on race. but it didn't ban discrimination based on hair. and our beautiful model, beverly johnson, in 1976, won a lawsuit that enabled african-americans to wear afros. but the reality is, number one, courts continued to rule against folk who claimed that it was discrimination and a hardship to

try to appear to be white every single day, and to burn our hair out, and because they felt it was something that was mutable. we could always straighten it out, it wasn't like skin color. and so this would be a federal legislation to enable us to wear our hair in its natural state. i'll tell you, reverend al, i was moved to put my hair in this style, when don imus, as you very well recall, called the rutgers women's basketball team girls, the nappy headed garden tool. >> i wasn't even thinking of that one. >> oh, no, you were way in the thick of it, you called for banning advertisers from imus' show. he said they'll not do that,

that stuff has never worked. you said we're going to keep doing it until they do. >> but it was about standing up for those girls and standing up for the dignity of our community. and that's what the crown act is about. >> that's right. and you know, i'll tell you, reverend sharpton, i know how you -- i know your hairstyle. but for a lot of black women, sit a burden to try to maintain this hairstyle, realizing that at the end of the day, no matter what we achieved, no matter what we accomplished, we're still going to be nappy headed garden tools. >> and we are not going to allow that to happen. that's why that law is important. my hairstyle came when james brown asked me to wear my hair like him. so that's my bond. people can talk all they want. i had a daddy, and i appreciate that bonding with him. wisconsin congresswoman gwenn moore, thank you for being with us. for more on this, let's bring back my panel.

let me ask you, how do you read the aftermath of the acquittal, politically will this matter in the election? and the president's post acquittal behavior, not shaking hands with the speaker of the house, and his profane kind of speech that he made at the white house the next day. >> yeah. umm, i think as far as the election goes, it really won't -- that won't be the issue. his impeachment. it may affect some of those running for senate. it could be a hard thing for susan collins to come over or others in swing districts. the way it hurts the president is his behavior since. and so when the american public sees him trying to get rid of not political appointees like

ambassador sondland. he got that appointment because he gave his -- whatever it was a million bucks. we put him in a different category. you go after people in uniform who are serve thing country and you're taking vengeance on them -- >> walked them out the door like they're criminals. and to go after his brother. >> yeah. and this is not the first or the last of it. he will continue to act out and do things against mitt romney and against other people. so it's that behavior, which i think can affect him as we go down the road. >> you're a democratic strategist of high reputation. how does the democrats remind the public of the things susan and you have been talking about? because it -- he's giving them a lot of material, but will they use it properly and effecttively? >> i think they will, and they're also continuing to subpoena witnesses to come in and testify. that's very important, because it's not just democrats

repeating the narrative, it's getting the other voices to actually help us push that narrative forward. so i think that's a very, very important step. but the truth is, and one of the things i've been spending a lot of time talking about is that nancy pelosi gave us our marching orders. she ripped up the president's speech in front of him. if there's no more sort of met forric response to, if they go low, we go high, a change and a friendship on that metaphor, that was it. that's what democrats -- and i was a person that used to say yes, we've got to go high, we have to take the high road, and at this point, i'm like no, we don't have to, and we should not, because this president will not play fair. he is -- he's a junk yard dog, and we don't need to get down there with him, but we need to come with equal force to push the narrative and make sure people understand that a lot is at stake. let me just make this one point,

not only is he ridding these people of their jobs, folks that testified against him. think about what his bureaucracy is doing. he's retailuating against the state of new york for supporting immigrants by saying new york can no longer have these travel benefits. >> that is a retailuation based on politics, but it's people that are suffering. >> exactly right. he will continue to do that in more profound ways and more pervasive ways, and we have to call that out. >> as susan said, i think congresswoman moore said, he's higher now in the polls than he's ever been, 49%. how does the democrat's republican, mr. strategist, run against what is perceived to be a good economy? >> two things. we need a candidate that is willing to do some of the things i talked about doing and pushen it's not enough to be against trump, you have to embrace your

nominee. i don't see that enough of us are embracing any one or two particular candidates, number one. number two, the way i would talk about the economy is about issues of affordability and economic security. because even though the stock market is doing well, most of -- almost 50% of americans are not invested in the stock market. we have to think about a company like borden. they declared bankruptcy because they can't pay out pensions. so when we think about economic security for younger and older americans, there's real anxiety there, and there's a wedge that we can exploit. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. i paid you back the question i owed you. thank you for being with me tonight. up next, lawmakers in virginia have moved one step closer to getting rid of one of our nation's oldest sins. i'll explain, next.

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moving the state forward by rejecting even more of its confederate past. earlier this week the virginia house joined its senate to pass a bill to e almost nate the state holiday known as lee jackson day commemorating the robert e. lee and stonewall jackson and celebrated of all times less than a week before martin luther king jr. day. in its place both chambers have proposed a statewide election day in november which democratic governor ralph northam says is a priority in hopes of getting more virginians to the poll. let's hope nine months is enough time. now for my final thoughts. earlier this week california's democratic governor gavin newsom

post housley pardoned a man for an arrest for engaging in the then illegal act of homosexual sex. mr. ruston was a brilliant organizer and a key architect of the 1963 march on washington. this despite often facing discrimination from even within the movement itself. because he was a gay man. and for his contributions to america, he posthousely received the medal of freedom from president obama this 2013 but i'm proud to say i met him, decades before when he was the one when i left operation bred basket at 16 years old and started a youth movement he gave me the first donation. as i stood with governor newsom this week, i was happy to stand with a man that erased from

history this man's infraction because he was a man that helped change america. may he rest in power. and may all of his partners and the one that brought me the check when i was a teenager be proud that ruston is getting a pardon that he deserved because he did let america become partner with bigotry and race. . that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you tomorrow at 5:00. up next, my colleague alicia menendez picks up the coverage live from new hampshire with more of today's news.

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♪ hello, everyone. i'm alesia menendez live from new hampshire. we are just three days away from the first primary in the 2020 presidential campaign. the democratic candidates are using the weekend to make their pitch to voters before new hampshire goes to the polls on tuesday. they're all trying to build on last night's debate stage and illustrating the divides of the candidates and the contentious tone