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that's it for me today. thank you for watching. "a.m. joy" starts right now. >> this is not a time for small ideas. this is not a time to nibble around the edges of problems. this is not a time to be vague and elusive. this is a time to step up and when we see a big problem, offer a big solution. and fight for it.
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i'm not running race that's been shaped by a bunch of consultants. i'm not offering a bunch of proposals carefully designed not to offend big donors. i passed that stop sign a long time ago. >> good morning, and welcome to "a.m. joy". i am here in beautiful manchester, hn hb. we are just 48 short hours from the first in the nation primary. those comments by elizabeth warren which appear to be directed at pete buttigieg. underscore the frustration many democratic women are feeling at the dismissal of warren and other candidates. i mean, she does have a point. when you look at the field of candidates who took to the stage in new hampshire this week, it's really hard to argue that the two strongest candidates representing the moderate and the progressive wings of the party weren't the two women who shared "the new york times"
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endorsement for weird. senators warren and amy klobuchar klobuchar. why is it the females with plans are not gaining as much traction as their male counterparts? a cnn poll leading up to the debate underscores the point. all three women candidates in the race, are polling below 10% among new hampshire voters. we're learning from the boston globe and a tracking poll that klobuchar is the only female candidate who benefitted with a three-point bump from friday night's debate. and that apparent excitement helped her campaign raise $2.5 million since the debate. no word from the warren campaign of any fundraising updates. with new hampshire almost in the rear-view mirror, what does it mean as democrats head into nevada and south carolina at the end of the month? have democrats at large decided that they tried a woman candidate and it didn't work. or is gender not a factor in how
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democratic voters are choosing their candidate? joining me is james pendle, kimberly atkins, and beth, senior politics editor. thank you for being here. james, i want to start with you. it does seem like women are doing well in temples of presenting plans, branding themselves as can do candidates but not doing well in the polls. what can we read into that in new hampshire? >> clearly amy klobuchar is on the up swing. when it comes to elizabeth warren, her fall, remember, she had a huge rise. she was leading in iowa and new hampshire for about two months in the fall. it's not like it didn't happen. her fall has been confounding. a lot of people want to tie it to the medicare for all. what is interesting to me, all week i have been looking at this question of gender. because in new hampshire more
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than any other state probably in the country, it has a tradition of electing women to office. it was the first state in united states history that had sent a full female delegation to washington. the senior senator here was the first american to serve as a female and a governor in a senate. and so i've been curious where is gender going to play? i talk to a lot of women here who really want a woman nominee. and they were confused about where exactly they should go. warren was not that obvious choice in the end in this campaign. and i think that probably is a factor, and if -- i don't want to play a game, but it is a factor. and if amy klobuchar had clarity out of iowa, she was clearly the story or clearly out of the race because she wasn't, warren, i think would be doing better here. >> the thinking a lot of people have, and i'm going to cut three for our producers.
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this is what a lot of women hear when they hear men talking about women candidates in general. this is talk on "morning joe" on friday. take a listen. >> is it her or is it there's a certain strideness, do we want to invite her into our bedrooms and living rooms? i think it's the same issue as bernie. i think it's a likability issue. i think we have to be careful -- i think an amazing woman would be a great anecdote to john's point earlier, a different definition of strength. strength is strength. but in a different way. but i don't think elizabeth warren's problem has been that he's a woman. >> the likable thing. right? first, i don't get it. she actually reminds me of soccer moms. she seems likable to me. that's the thing that's hung on her. it's a gendered critique. bernie sanders and if you compare them, which one is more invite them to dinner, i don't know, but i'm not sure that she
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loses that fight. but she is losing the fight to being the lead in the progressive wing. >> the messages is hurting her. if you talk to democrats, they say they like elizabeth warren. she's not unlikable. that doesn't bear out when you speak to voters or in the polling. some of them say i like her a lot. i'm not sure she's my first choice. that's different. what is happening is just you have a structured race. and she has to pull from other people. so far the other candidates she might pull from, a joe biden is getting the votes. if they are pulled, they're polled by pete buttigieg. we also have to talk about new hampshire and iowa are a tiny part of the electorate. right now the name of the game is having enough money to stay in the race. a month from now this race will look different moving to super tuesday. that's why the amy klobuchar
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fundraising number was so important. joe biden can only go up. the big question is what happens to warren's campaign. >> and do they have enough money to keep going. joan walsh wrote a piece about the race of warren. she says from the moment cable networks switched from her caucus night rally speech to biden's, warren has been virtually erased as the fight for first place continues to thursday, i've watched cable mention warren in passing if at all. lawrence o'donnell was one exception featuring an interview with her. and thursday she was hosted by chris hayes. advertising. whenever i go to a city in these elections, i watch a lot of local news. and there is a lot of advertising even from gabbert. i didn't see a lot for elizabeth warren. she's not getting the free media out of cable news coverage, and she's not getting paid media, a
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lot of it, at least from what i saw in new hampshire. is this a media problem as much as a messaging problem? >> what i think about when i'm in new hampshire, in 2008 when barack obama came out of iowa and seemed to be steam rolling to the nomination. in new hampshire there was a debate he said hillary, you're likable enough. and two days later she shocked everyone and beat him in new hampshire and set off a cage match to the end. it was one for the history books. the issue of women and likability as played out here in prominent ways. we're seeing it in new hampshire on the question that donny brought up that you addressed. so here's the thing. is it an issue of likability or just an issue in new hampshire and everywhere else of people being terrified to nominate the wrong candidate? everyone wants to beat donald trump. they're looking at a muddled
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factor. elizabeth warren, there is a fear that because hillary clinton did not beat president trump even though everyone expected her to, was it a factor of gender? is it not the best idea to nominate a woman since a woman did not beat him last time? i think that's one of the things people are trying to consider when they're looking at the large field. >> everyone is being a pundit. >> yes. >> i'm glad you mentioned the 2008 race nature that talked about losing how you are able to win. hillary clinton had a moment where she teared up. >> the day before the primary. >> she's likable. acting in a womanly way. but barack obama's yes we can speech was his losing speech in new hampshire. it ended up rocketing him forward. yes, we can became the de facto theme of the campaign. it could be that one of the people who also ran in new hampshire can almost lose to win. >> that's right. and that's what we're saying. the role that particularly the role that women can play in this state, and the crying thing,
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from hillary. it was about gender. it was about how do you do this every day as a woman? how do you get up as a woman? it was a huge moment for her. obviously led to the major comeback. one thing that's interesting about the comebacks is elizabeth warren is set up for one. she's set up for one here. but she's not even talking about that. and she's not out there earning and nor is joe biden. >> we have to talk about joe biden. he's in an awkward position. he's polling third or fourth and needs to win before that, i want to talk about amy klobuchar. the audience we had that was in studio for us or in studio in what we call our studio, the other part of this building watching. it was unanimous she had the best debate, the strongest performance. is there an explanation that makes sense to you. there's a battle for the moderate lane. why isn't she winning it? >> look, she is going up against joe biden. she is still introducing herself to a lot of voters out her. and her strong point is that she's from that midwest.
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she understands midwestern values and she's trying to represent that. her problem is the math. where the primaries go from now, she's got to raise a lot of money. >> ain't the midwest. >> she's going places where she's not polling as well and she came out. she had to have a great debate performance. and she did deliver that. and especially going after pete buttigieg and others trying to pull away so she can peel away so she can stay in the race. it gets tougher for her, easier for joe biden. but joe biden isn't we learn from iowa that joe biden maybe isn't as presumptive as we think. so that opens up a door for klobuchar. definitely opens up a door for warren. and it makes it tougher for pete buttigieg who is also having a tough time with voters of color. he has not been able to get over that hump. >> what's ironic is that should amy klobuchar because she is directly targeting buttigieg and his voters. if she wins, she picks up the same problem when she gets to
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south carolina and nevada because she also does not have a lot of residents with voters of colors. she also has issues. she was a former prosecutor. there are former cases that they dug deep into a prosecution case. it hasn't come up now because she's not a front runner. it will if she moves up. >> she and pete buttigieg claimed the middle of the country, whatever you want to call it. the winner oh that battle was pete buttigieg. amy klobuchar came in fifth in iowa. that was her big play was the midwest. >> she's in a neighboring state. >> if she could not do better in her own home region, that doesn't fill people with a lot of belief that perhaps she's the strongest candidate. the debate performance definitely could have helped her. the iowa performance was a real problem. >> quickly, her biggest problem is money. she never had a viral moment. she never was a national brand before she ran for president. she's saying i raised $2.5 million.
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mike bloomberg just spent $3.5 million. for her to survive and run advertising, you haven't seen a lot from her here, it's going to be difficult for her to continue. >> i've seen a lot of advertising for tom steyer who is going after joe biden's black vote. >> in south carolina, he's coming in second. >> does joe biden to protect his south carolina fire wall, he needs to come in -- he needs to win here. right? am i wrong that he needs to win -- >> he can come in second to bernie sanders and start to have a comeback. he doesn't have to win. >> he can't come in fourth again. >> he has to beat buttigieg. >> if he comes if fourth, who picks up his support? >> i think buttigieg. i think warren is hoping to pick up some. >> the black support? >> i think warren will pick up more. warren is only polling at 10% with black voters. it's not a slam dunk. >> if you look at the polling in south carolina, biden, steyer,
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and then bernie sanders. >> he has young people of color. interesting. >> that's right. >> thank you very much. up next, more "a.m. joy ". it's cool here in downtown manchester, new hampshire. first, some political laughs from saturday night live. >> senator warren is not the only sensible candidate standing here before you. you're looking at the other half of the new york times endorsement. but guess what. elizabeth is j-lo and i'm shakira. to donald trump, i say -- i've always been fascinated by what's next. and still going for my best, even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin... i want that too. eliquis.
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the president is guilty of an appalling abuse of public trust. what he did was not perfect. no, it was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, our national security, and our fundamental values. corrupting an election to keep one's self in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one's oath of office that i can imagine. >> senator mitt romney made history on wednesday when he
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became the first senator ever to vote to remove a president of their own party. despite house democratic managers presenting a devastating case. and after republican senator except two voted to refuse to hear from witnesses or to see the evidence for themselves, no other republican senator voted for donald trump's removal. not one. in an op ed for the new york times, sherrod brown explains why writing for the stay in office at all cost representatives and senators, fear is the motivator. they are afraid that mr. trump might give them a nickname like low energy jeb or lying ted or he might tweet about their disloyalty. the worry will the host on fox news attack me? that's exactly what happened to senator romney. >> a lone republican as you may have read defected and joined the democrats. >> he's the ultimate self-centered politician. >> that senator shall go unnamed on this show on the grounds that silly moral preening should
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not -- >> clearly losing an election ruins people. look at gore, clinton, and mccain. >> this is disgusting what he did. >> romney is going to be associated with benedict arnold forever. >> joining me now, sherrod brown of ohio. thank you for being here. ? of course. >> donald trump tweeted at me. it helped me sell a few books, but it didn't ruin my life. are these senators terrified? are they afraid donald trump is going to call them a name or tweet at them? >> yeah. i mean, i think fear was the business in the office too often. 20 years ago i was a member of the house. i opposed the iraq war. i remember what bush did to people that were thinking about opposing the war. he would put out there they were unpatriotic, soft on terrorism. and i saw fear do the business, and people when politicians make
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decisions based on fear, it's almost always the right decision. i talk to a lot of republicans individually. i'm not going to out people by name. ly never do that. they were private conversations. but i see the fear in their eyes. they tell me they know the president lies. they're concerned about what he did not just on the phone call but leading up to it and the coverup later. they have all these fears, because most of them are human beings that can see this. but fear does the business. they like the tax cuts from trump. they like the young right wing judges. they like his attacks on the environment and women's rights and labor and civil rights but in the end, fear does the business with a huge number of senate republicans. >> let me play for you marco rubio of florida. there's sort of a saying that if you're counting on rubio's courage to save you, you're probably doomed but here he is acknowledging that donald trump did wrong.
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>> even if everything allege second down true, number one, removing the president is not a last resort. we have an election in november. it's a far better and a lot less damaging remedy. >> he delayed the military and other systems to ukraine in order to encourage that investigation. i think he shouldn't have done it. i think it was wrong. inappropriate was the way i'd say improper. crossing the line. >> it was wrong for him to ask a foreign country to investigate a political rival. >> in the case of the iraq war, the administration was pushing a false claim that iraq had something to do with 9/11 and that they might have nuclear capability. even though those were false claims they shouldn't have just bought the blue plate special on. the country was in terror after 9/11. there was a real fear in the
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public, and i think i can kind of understand why a senator or congressperson would feel intimidated to vote no on a war in that case. in this case, it's donald trump that's potentially threatening the next election's security. it's him trying to extort a foreign country using money that congress themselves passed. there is no -- there's not an equivalency here. it's hard for me to understand what is it they're afraid of? ted cruz is elected even after donald trump belittled his wife's looks and called his father a murder. they have survived trump being mean to them before. marco rubio was little marco. he's a senator. what is it they think trump is going to do to them? >> well, they survived it, but they made up before the election in each case. what trump will do to them, look at jeff flake. clearly jeff flake was run out of the senate by donald trump, and when you see the kind of support that trump has in his
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party, and you see the kind of attacks he makes on people who used to work for him, like jeff sessions or their secretary of state tillerson or a number of others, they know he'll do that, and he'll also turn all of fox and all of talk radio against him. you saw the kind of comments they make about mitt romney, and to see the president of the united states belittle mitt romney's faith. we all watched that mitt romney speech. it was a hard decision for him to make. he didn't want to go against the party, and he also knew what awaited him when he did this. and it's happened. and then you look at what he's doing to colonel vindman, mocking his accent and talking about his service. a man, an immigrant who became a citizen, left the soviet union, came here, became a citizen j served his country and had the courage to stand up. so this president is only getting more emboldened. the thing that bothers me the
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most is when i hear senators say the president is going to learn from this. i'm going to vote no. i'm going to vote to exonerate him. i know the president is learning a lesson. he's not going to do this stuff anymore. who would believe that? >> yeah. i mean, let's play that since you mentioned mitt romney. here he is talking about his religion as he got emotional in talking about his vote. >> as a senator juror, i swore an oath before god to exercise impartial justice. i am profoundly religious. my faith is at the heart of who i am. i take an oath before god as enormously consequential. i knew from the outset that being tasked with judging the president, the leader of my own party, would be the most
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difficult decision i have ever faced. i was not wrong. >> you know, mitt romney will be remembered in history for running for president but really for that. i don't know if you've talked to lamar alexander, but he's going to be remembered as the guy who said i don't need to see witnesses, and i don't need to hold this president accountable even though lamar alexander said he knew donald trump was guilty. that is what he'll be remembered for. when you talk with republicans members, do they care about place in history? lindsey graham, remembered as a sycophant to trump and a hypocrite in the way he spoke about him before and sucks up to him now? >> i don't know. i do know when i ask the question, i mentioned this in the times piece, when i asked, okay, you vote to acquit. the senate is going to acquit him regardless of your vote. what do you do, what do we all do to make the president to change his behavior so it
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doesn't get worse? they shrug and look sheepish. they don't have an answer. i watched the president as we all did in the east room, right after the exoneration, and to watch all the sycophantic politicians sitting there and laughing with them and clapping with him and clapping for him was just untoward of any of this. i like what adam schiff said when he talked about cords of steel will bind them to this president, and for all of history. and that's exactly right. they're going to be embarrassed by this vote. it might be next month. it might be three months from now. it might be a year from now when more things come out. we know that. >> yeah. and some of them -- lastly, before we go. ohio has become a red state. it's gone from being a swing state to being pretty red. a, do you think ohio, are there any candidates on the table who can win ohio and b, are you
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planning on endorsing anyone? >> i'm not endorsing any time soon. the answer is i contest that ohio is a red state. i won that state by 7 1/2 points last time in 2018. and i know you win that state by showing how donald trump has betrayed workers. he's betrayed workers whether it's minimum wage, the overtime rule, trade agreements, his appointments to the courts where judges put their thumbs on the scale of justice in supporting corporations over workers and wall street over consumers and health insurance companies over patients. we make that case on donald trump's betrayed workers. we still win ohio in the end. >> yeah. i still remember that man of steel add from 2016 that the democrats never responded to. and it was a huge mistake in not making the case about what he's promised versus what he's delivered on in manufacturing. >> exactly right. >> senator brown, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> have a great weekend.
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way of talking. >> why is this happening with chris hayes? subscribe now. >> we won the iowa vote by 6,000. we won the realignment vote by 2500. from where i come, that's a victory. >> you were in single digits among older voters. older voters vote. >> the answer is yes and no. the answer is we are having, and we have got to work on this issue. it's my record with senior citizens, it's a strong record. we're going to work on that. >> after bernie sanders' strong showing in iowa, all eyes are now on new hampshire. the latest cnn university of new hampshire poll shows bernie sanders with a comfortable lead. seven points ahead of pete buttigieg. joe biden, elizabeth warren, and gabbert are right behind. will this moment and spratrong
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standing in the polls manifest in a victory on tuesday. we have the campaign manager for the bernie sanders campaign. we were trying to go back on how long we've known each other. we were chatting about the '04 kerry campaign. we were both watching this happen from the outside looking in. and one of the things i think we can agree on is the kerry team didn't see the potholes and didn't fill them. so they fell in them. >> and the campaign was played on defense. they were worried about swift vote attacks and what george bush would say about the iraq war. constantly playing defense. >> and you can't win that way. >> let's talk about the potholes from the outside looking in i see and hear when people talk about your candidate. obviously he has a very strong following of especially young people who are very diverse white, black, brown, young people love him. but when you talk to people over 30, maybe even over 40, they
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hear socialism or democrat socialism. they just hear socialism. you saw the chris matthews moment the other night where he -- he remits a lot of voters who they hear the word and say absolutely not. >> yes. >> is the campaign prepared with a message to counter when the trump team, if he gets the nomination, and the trump team shows video of him praising castro and russia's social services. >> donald trump is going to lie. they lied about john kerry, and they are going to lie about any democratic candidate. and i'm over the age of 30. i'll speak from my perspective. i believe in fighting injustices. that's always been what's driven me. i think part of what we're trying to test with the american public is how much empathy and sympathy do you have about working class americans struggling in the world? they are hovering under medical debts, student debt, credit card debt. you look at the working class, wages are not going up. they're falling into medical bankruptcy. if you feel that pain, you true
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it, reflect on it, you know something is unjust. we have a corrupt and rigged political and economic system. you have to transform it. you have to agree if you're going to operate within the status quo, it's not working for them. if you feel that pain, you say transformation is required. we have socialism in the country, it's for the rich. donald trump is a corporate socialist. if the government can give a trillion plus dollars to the top earners, you can't provide health care to people? do you feel that working class pain and are you prepared to transform the american government so it works for the working class? >> that's a strong argument. it's a smart argument, but the ads are going to be -- >> the ads are going to be the ads. >> they're going to be true. what you're saying is the campaign is prepared to run on an affirmative defense of socialism as an ideology. >> donald trump is a corporate -- >> what i'm saying is --
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>> donald trump is a corporate socialist. who does the government benefit? he believes government should benefit the top 1 %. all of my -- i would stack my cabinet with billionaires. deregulate the government so it works for corporate chief tans. that's how he operates. the question is do we want a government that benefits the working class? we'll fight on democratic socialism. >> here's the thing. we both know politics, especially presidential politics is a numbers game. the job is to keep the 65 million people who voted for hillary clinton, add another 100,000 people in the key states. but in order -- that's all you've got to do. >> unite and grow the party. >> let's talk about those things. number one, if the ideas that you guys are going to run on is affirmative defense of socialism. that's off the table. you'll have to win it with a smaller map. there are voters -- >> we're not going to write anything off. >> you're not going to keep all 65 million people.
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there are some people who for whatever reason, are not going to vote for a socialist. you're going to have to build back the ones you lose and you're going to have to add to it. where are you going to get the extra voters when you lose voters who won't vote for a socialist? >> pennsylvania, wisconsin. >> you think they'll vote for a socialist candidate? >> sure. i would argue that 99% of the mesh people knows who bernie sanders is. when you ask what's the one thing you know about bernie sanders, it's fighting corporate interests or medicare for all. when you look at the head to head polls, that's why they matter. if he's already doing better than trump, i appreciate the ads to lie, but you're starting off in a strong position on a backbone of people knowing who you are and what you're about. >> let's talk about the other thing of building a coalition. i'm on social media a lot. maybe a little bit too much. maybe i should get off twitter a little bit. there's a pretty -- >> never. >> there's a vicious culture out there. twitter is not the real world. there are a lot of particularly
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women of color, people of color, who have been just savaged by sanders' fans and turned off to him at large because of the culture of sort of attack. is that something that the campaign -- and by the way -- >> can i be honest? >> your communications director, people are saying he's a part of it. >> let's have a honest conversation. first, this campaign doesn't believe in online bullying of any kind. i've said it. we do not tolerate it. i don't have a button that pushes mute for all people who say things on our behalf, but when we see it, we act and speak aggressively against it. that said, we have powerful women of color on this color. nina turner, our co-chair. we have a political director who also gets criticized. it happens to be the online space that social security negative. we speak to our values. they're of love and compassion and justice. we try to live them honestly. and i worry sometimes there is a
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mythology that we're going to cast the entire movement of bernie sanders by some of the small most negative elements. and we're going to deride the entire thing because of a few ugly people, and call it names and to us, on this campaign, it feels like a -- >> they put you out there more. next question i here is age and health. people are concerned that a candidate of senator sanders' age who has had a heart attack. there is a concern, and who is his running mate? it's important who he picks. is he willing to pick somebody that your average obama or clinton democrat will be comfortable with? >> first, you have to find someone who is consistent with the values. if you are not able to -- in the first or second term to continue, you would have somebody who believes that -- in the value of what you're trying to fight for. believes that there's injustice in american society. going to transform the american economic and political systems.
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that's the first question. who lives and breathes the values, understands what we're up against. then as you've heard him say a billion times over, a cabinet and a vice president who reflect the diversity of america. it's critical. >> and regular democrats can vote for. >> we're going to bring about unity in the party. bernie sanders has every desire to bring people into the tent, not to exclude them. to bring people in. >> including clinton voters. >> including clinton voters. i'll will honest about the comments from clinton, we don't want to live in the rear vi-vie mirr mirror. a lot of people do their part to bring us together. >> how confident are you about south carolina? southern states? >> we're working hard. nina turner, we're working for it. we're going to overperform expectations. come back to me after
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all right. we are live at are live right h new hampshire trying to find out who they are going to vote for. raise your hand if you are a new hampshire voter. who are you voting for? >> bernie sanders. >> pete buttigieg. >> and let's go through. >> bill weld. >> okay. who are you voting for? back it up, back it up, we're going through. and everyone got dressed up. who are you voting for? >> i'm a trump voter. >> okay. you'll be all right here. you're among friends. who are you voting for? >> yang yang. >> yang yang is in the house. where are you from? >> florida. >> florida? >> new york. >> they are coming from all over. massachusetts. canada.
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now, there are a lot of people right now who are worried that this fight against donald trump may not be winnable. but i've been winning unwinnable fights pretty much all my life. >> this election is a patriotism check. it is a defensive check on this president and what unites us more than anything is that we know that being part of america is bigger than the heart of the guy in the white house. >> i'll be damned if i'm going to stand by and lose this election to this man phenomen. we cannot let it happen. we cannot let it happen. >> good morning and welcome back to "a.m. joy" coming to you live from new hampshire. following a rocky week in iowa, practically every 2020 contender h descended on new hampshire this weekend as we count down to the
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primary on tuesday. from the debate sustain debate town hall, they are all saying they are the one to beat donald trump. but is it enough to counter the over the top performance that we saw from trump this week? whoever wins the democratic anonymous nation will have to contend with this. >> tonight we have a very special surprise.nation will ha contend with this. >> tonight we have a very special surprise. i'm thrilled to inform you that your husband is back from gee employment and we couldn't keep him waiting any longer. tonight i have good news for you. i'm pleased to inform you that your long wait is over. i can proudly announce tonight that an opportunity scholarship has become available, it is going to you. i'm proud to announce tonight that you will be receiving our country's highest civilian honor, the presidential medal of freedom.
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>> donald trump whose presidency has been just achaeeen as much politics turned it into a campaign rally where he flat out lied about his record and did everything but announce that every seat in the gallery has a set of new car keys under it. you get a car, you get a car, you get a car! the same man who lost cked immigrant kids in cages, who says he is a benevolent benefactor of black and brown children, and who is hell bent on dismantling brm ae ining bar he is in court to end the production of pre-existing conditions because no obama accomplishment can be allowed to stand. and who said that cutting medicare is on the table. actually tried to portray
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himself as protector of health care. nothing matter, flight but here is the thing. for all of his lies and flashy moments including using the state of the union to award the medal of freedom to rush limbaugh, with all the theatrics which would seem better suited to the apprentice, the only democrat who seemed to understand how to go head to head with a showbiz president was speaker pelosi who literally ripped up trump's playbook on live tv. joining me now is author of the loudest voice in the room. w rob liner, tiffany cross, and david corn, author of russian roulette. thank you all for being here. dave, i want to go to you first
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because we know that bill shine, who used to be the executive producer of the seansean hannit show, now white house communications director, to what september was t extent was the state of the union produced like a television show rather than prepared like a political piece? >> you pointed out that everything that donald trump does is produced like a television show. donald trump programs his white house as if it was a network basically a media company. and the state of the union was no exception. and i think the problem is that donald trump is governing as if the world is a television stage. and the media is still covering him like he is a regular president, that he is governing within the bounds of american politics as we've known it so far. and so he is able to push things in a way that no other president would get away with. and i think, you know, that east room performance he gave after
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the state of the union is just a classic example where he is getting control of the airwaves to broadcast his message with no filter. and that is a challenge that our entire political system will have to confront because, you kn know, he is playing by one set of rules and we're playing by another and he is not being held accountable, he is using our infrastructure basically against the values that american politics have been governed by so far. >> for instance the little girl, the little black girl who was awarded the scholarship, the philadelphia q philadelphia qui philadelphia inquirer says it is not true and she goes to a cool that she doesn't need a scholarship. the family was not told why they were coming, just told to show up because they get to ride on
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air force one or two or whatever. but they didn't know why they were going to be pointed out. it wasn't even true. >> you know, gabe and others talked about trump running a reality tv business as president. reality tv is one of the biggest misnomers that is out there because reality tv is manufactured reality. it is not reeld. we all know that. right? streets not real tv. so you have with trump not just act willing like acting like he's the apprentice in the white house, but also engaged in disinformation which is what happened by the young woman from philadelphia when he says that the economic policies of the obama administration has failed and no one could believe that the economy is growing as fast as it is when it is growing at 2.3%, which is okay, but far below the 3% and 4% that he promised with his tax cut for the billionaires and wealthy corporations. so it is reality tv which is not real mixed in with complete
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disinformation. and that is a toxic combination that gabe is right, the media has a real hard time even if it fact checks everything after the fact figuring out how to cover this and convey what he is really doing. >> and to correct myself, bill shine now works with the campaign. and somebody texted me this is the day mark burnett became president. and it is kind of true. >> when you watched trump give that speech, did you ever wonder what would hannibal lecter be like giving a speech at the stafl state of the union, that is the sense that you get. a guy that is truly morally corrupt using the stage as a campaign rally. giving the medal of freedom to rush limbaugh who our heart goes out because he is battling cancer, but she wants obama care to cover her contraception, take
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the bone out of your nose and call me back? he is racist and sexist and trump gives an award on the stage because that wasn't a celebration of america. that was a celebration of trumpism. and that to me defines trump until. cruelty, white supremacy. >> and just yesterday you had white nationalists do a march right down downtown d.c. >> in my hood. >> literally not far from where we do the show in d.c. that is happening now. that is like now a thing that happens. and yet one of the features of this reality show was to keep featuring black people, to keep showing tuskegee air man and new his grandson and this little black girl, something for the brown person, there was a lot of featuring of color that was very deliberate. >> and one thing is the attempt to normalize or understand this president after the state of the union. we didn't have outrage about the rush limbaugh getting the medal
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of freedom. the press treated it like oh, this happened also. and you had some people terribly misguided saying that the president is really trying to make inroads with black and bro brown vaoices. and that was disheartening to hear and we won't call any name, but we know who i'm talking about. you know, look, i would say that black people should be probably the first point of reference when talking about white supremacy. it pains me every time i hear something like this and we saw the neo-nazis marching to d.c. and then this chorus of people saying this is not who we are. this is absolutely who we are. this is america. and until we're willing to have an honest conversation about reconciling that, we'll keep having these challenges. and more and more -- thank you. the more and more you see people attempting to normal liz and elevate -- look, i don't need to understand trump's base to know who they are.
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i know very well who this base is. and this weird experience that the news media has with let's understand, let's dig deeper, i don't understand it. you are lending face to people who are racist hateful people and trying to put a misnomer on it. look, i think that -- lastly i'll say i did think that the democrats will have to start to respond differently. there was a robe whe reason whe spoke with anger about the government shutdown, there was a reason that more people paid attention to her voice and retweeted her than they did with our legislators. you even had chuck schumer saying are you going to he recrea retweet the cardi video. ed if i said a lot of things that i really think, it would get filtered through networks. we just can't say that. but you broadcast live donald trump regurgitating the most hateful things and we have to filter our own voices?
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this is how democracies fall. >> and there was a piece saying that the media has struggled to appear balanced and objective in an era where the president behaves in shocking ways. they need to find the language to convey the retribution that trump releases to the public. and i want to go back to gabe really quickly. because i wanted you to have a moment to take some water, but the media is still under this self policing that says that that state of the union, which was very unusual, that took place in the gallery -- in the house gallery, a sort of sacred political space and it really was show business. and the media still struggled to fit it into the norm of what they expect. but even in fox news, daily beast has a piece that says an internal document obtained by the daily beast, fox's research
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team advises colleagues to be wary of disinformation from several trump boosting on air regularlies including rudy giuliani. so internally some people feel quea queasy. but trump knows that the rest of the media will cover him as if he is a normal president no matter what he does. >> yeah, i mean i think that we all talk about fox news being the platform that element straights donald trump. but i think unfortunately i think that it is the, quote, mainstream media that actually does the biggest service to this president. if you look at the headlines that was after his east room performance, in the "new york times" it talks about president hail acquittal. no, he didn't hail his acquittal, he raged for an hour. and i think the sort of neutral language, the sort of decorum and plightness that has governed newspaper journalism for the last 100 years, that the office of the presidency is afforded, it doesn't work with donald
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trump. and i don't have the answer. i'm a reporter, i'm a writer, so i struggle myself with these issues. but i know the end result is that the public is not having an accurate view of who this president is. >> and that brings me to rob reiner who by the way, you are one of the greatest producers in the history of hollywood. so i'll just say that. i'm a fan of your as well as a friend. >> i thi i think the trump era is really in your world maybe even more than ours. trump braoperates really in not even real hollywood, but reality show tv. so not even your world either. but it is a sort of scripted realty show. so if you were advising the democrats, how do you counter? the only person that seems to know how to counter is nch. because nancy pelosi walks out in a red dress and puts on her
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glasses, she does the pelosi clap at him, writtens his parip but she doesn't wait for the democratic response. let me rip this paper now. catch me when all the people are watching. she has that theatrical. do any of the other democrats? >> you're right, i mean, when you've got a schoolyard bully, you got to punch them in the nose and you got to continue to punch him in the nose. i mean, you know, we can't be, you know, liars the way he is. he is a continual liar and if we adopt that, then we become him. so we have to find another way do it and we have to start thinking about this as -- it is like what james carville said back in 1992, then it was the economy stupid. now it is trump stupid. and so everything has to be
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designed to go after him. and so the candidates who don't have a dime's worth of difference when it comes to policy, to see debates where they are arguing about who has the best health care plan back and forth, that is not what will get it done. what will get it done is somebody that stands up to him every day and punch him in the nose. that will take power, testimoit take money. and so far i hate to say it bloomberg is the only one doing that, and the only one that has the kind of money that it will take. he can spend twice as much money as trump and he can stand on the stage and if trump calls him short, he can say, well, you're fat. i mean, that is what it will take. you have to fight a schoolyard bully and punch him in the nose. you can't anybody hnibble at th with policy issues. >> or else you're broke. >> yeah, he had the perfect line
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when he said what would you feel about, you know, if you got the nomination and you have two billionaires going after each other, he said who is the second one. and that is what it will take. it will take a guy who can go right back at him, who has no fear that he can do anything. all these republicans running around frightened to death that something will happen. we're not going to get those people. those people are gone. this is going to be a turnout election. we'll have to get behind whoever is the nominee and that person better stand on that stage. and when trump invades your personal space the way he did with hillary, you have to turn around and say get away from me, pal. get back to your corner. you don't belong here. somebody has to say that to him, they have to smack him in the nose and smack him hard. the guy is a liar, a racist and a cheat. so we have to be very tough with
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him. we don't have to put on a reality show, but we have to punch him in the nose. >> i think punch him in the nose is the takeaway there. but i take rob's point. i remember my dad said to me when i was a kid, he said never get in a fight with a skunk because you both end up smelling and the skunk likes it. trump likes to bring whoever he fights with into the gutter. he wants everyone to think this is a circus, that it is a reality tv show because he is the king of a reality tv show. and so i think -- you know, i would add to what rob said, punch him in the nose with sophistication. you have to figure out when do it, when not do it, when to be upset. it will take someone with a tremendous sense of who they are and how to tangle with a guy like this. i don't think it is as easy as just ganging up on a schoolyard bully because i think trump is better than that. >> and remember marco rubio
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humiliated himself and he came across as little marco. >> you are 100% right, david. you have to pick those points in which do it. and there are times when you do it. you don't have to do it all day long every day. what you have to pick those times. and if you don't do it, then you get swift boated over and over and over again. >> and if you don't -- look, i got to be honest, i don't care who the nominee is because i'm going to work 150% for that person. and the people here in this room i can assure you will knock on doors whoever that nominee is. that is what wins the election. so punching in the nose is fun, i love that, and the fact that donald trump's state of the union got 20% lower ratings than the year before and 20% less than obama, that hurts him. but the people in this room and around this nation don't like trump. we came back with nine governors and took back four of the legislative seats. we took the house by the biggest margin in the history of
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midterms. in virginia we took both state ex chambers. i don't kash who the nominee is. i don't have that privilege. i'm a muslim. this guy is coming after my community. if you are a woman, a latino, a black, lgbtq, doesn't matter, we don't have the privilege. we'll come out and work hard. so i don't care who the nominee is, we'll beat this guy. >> i think that up to be inspired. this will take some production. i'm a recovering producer, as you know. and there is no rule that says the democratic response has to be like some woman with the background of-nothing happ -- n happening. give something to people to inspire. and i think what voters value more than anything is authenticity. and so when you have these canned responses from politician, candidates, legislators, it doesn't resonate particularly with this new
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younger generation who we saw in 2018 overindexed in polls. and 10 whso when i give somethi that is re23w50e9abtweetable, s that they can share, you know, and we haven't seen that. it is still the beltway -- and really quickly, when the news landscape fails you, we saw what happened in 2016. the only time that i saw outrage was in a meeting where we later learned from some of the russian agencies. so that is the voice that i will trust. so when there is right chis out we will start listening t. >> but you can't count on that. the news media has built-in norms that are difficult to change. and i know that you mostly cover the republican side, but i do
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wonder sometimes if the democrats considered not going. there were some who didn't go. but they know that they can either face trump or face the audience. if they face the audience, no democrats there, that would have been theatrical. so they didn't choose to do that. if they say maybe 10 miller i don't know people watched the impeachment hearings, let adam schiff do the response and by the way, you know what he didn't mention? impeachment. let me remake our case. i'm going to do the response. there are things that they could have done that they didn't do. did democrats not think about that? >> well, as i tweeted the other day, democrats want to be right, republicans want to win. and until the democratic party understands that there is a separate set of rules that republicans are playing by, they are going to keep losing. and that is what we saw with the state of the union. they askcted like this is a norl event with a normal president and he turned it into giveaways for people like rush limbaugh.
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you're right, until they internal siz internalize, this process will continue. >> and rob, do you get phone calls from democratic leadership saying help me, you know, you guys out there, up know, most of hollywood has the idea hollywood is all liberal, it is not all liberal, but a lot of smart people are out there, you are out there, george clooney are out there, do you get calls from democratic leadership saying help us figure this out? >> at certain points yes. at this point we're early on in the primary season. and so you don't get it as much. but once the candidate -- it is clear who the candidate will be, yes, we do get that. i mean, i've done that with al gore, i've done it with other candidates. and i'm sure whoever emerges here will also look to hollywood to help them shape messages. but back to the whole thing of having somebody who can stand up
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to trump. that is what we need here. that is what will inspire people to get to the polls. we'll have to see somebody who can stand on the stage with him and not take any bull from him. >> yeah. gabriel, rob, thank you very much. really appreciate y'all. maybe y'all should call rob. or maybe get robert de niro to do the response. more "a.m. joy" live in gorgeous downtown new hampshire. downtown new hampshire during wayfair's mattress markdowns event save up to 65% off top mattress brands. now through february 24th. score extra savings on mattresses from tempurpedic, serta, beautyrest and sealy, starting at just $399! kick back and relax while we do all the heavy lifting. because every single mattress ships free!
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coming up, so much more live from new hampshire including a special edition of who won the week? i'll ask this gorgeous crowd to find out what they think. more "a.m. joy" is coming up. plus more live from new hampshire today at 2:00 p.m. with chris jansing. and then 7:00 p.m. with kasie hunt. so much tv. ffrts h kasie hunt so much tv ffrt >> man: what's my safelite story?
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and now i'll let this beautiful audience be real pundits for a minute. and i want you to tell me not who you want to be the nominee, but who you think will be the nominee. i'm coming fast to you in this beautiful pink top here. we'll start but first. who is going to be the nominee? >> bloomberg. >> sanders. >> bloomberg. >> sanders. >> sanders. >> biden. >> sanderers. >> klobuchar. >> sanders. >> bloomberg. >> sanders. >> biden. >> sanders. >> biden. >> bloomberg. >> all right. we're coming around. going this way. here we go. >> biden. >> bloomberg. >> biden. >> mayor pete. >> let's come around this way. back una little bp a bit for my. hank who is my producer, his mom is here. and she has to be right. who will be the nominee? >> bloomberg. >> buttigieg. >> bloomberg.
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>> bloomberg. >> a lot of bloomberg happening here. >> klobuchar. >> dark horse michael bennet. >> oh, there is always one bennet in the crowd. okay. >> bloomberg/harris. >> oh, she has the whole ticket. hire this lady, democratic party. >> bloomberg. >> bernie sanders. >> bernie for the win! >> bernie sanders. >> we can't ask you, you are already a pundit. let's run down here real quick. i'll try not to fall. falling is a bad idea for television. >> bernie. >> biden. >> let's come back here. >> bloomberg. >> bloomberg. >> pete. >> pete. >> biden. >> biden. >> who will be the nominee? >> bloomberg. >> bloomberg. >> sanders. >> sanders. >> mayor pete. >> tom steyer. >> biden. >> we already know what understand. let's keep it moving. she's for trump if you weren't watching earlier. >> biden.
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>> bernie sanders. >> bloomberg. >> sanders. >> are we out of time? all right. this is it. one more. >> buttigieg. >> i already said -- >> he wants -- >> i said bill weld. >> all right. thank you very much. coming up next, who won the week? when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams, spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair.com
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i think it will be an uphill fight. >> we have a great volunteer organization. the reason we won in iowa because of the grass roots activist. we will do that i believe here in new hampshire. >> the way i see this, this will be a long campaign. we will go the distance. and that is what i think will happen. >> joe biden has come out with a new ad specifically targeting you. he says, and this is his quote, he is no barack obama. >> well, he's right. i'm not. and neither is he. neither is any of us. and this not 2008, this is 2020. >> let's than 48 hours before the new hampshire primary and almost all of the democratic frontrunners went on television this morning to make their final pitch to voters here in the granite state. joining me now is writer charlie
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pierce, correspondent kimler be atkins. and so let's play the who wofn the iowa game. here is bernie. >> what is most important, we ended up on the first ballot 6,000 votes ahead of anybody else. and after the realignment process, which is a fine process, we ended up 2500 votes ahead of mayor buttigieg. when you win an election by 6,000 or 2500 stroets from where i come from, you win the primary or the caucus. >> and here is former mayor buttigieg saying not so fast, i won. >> this is about getting delegates but i'm happy to congratulate senator sanders on a fantastic night just like we had a terrific night. >> are you essentially saying it was a tie?
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>> i'll let other folks characterize it, but sure, it was a great night for bernie and a phenomenal night for us. >> he is trying to be so friendly that he is like even won. >> one of the worst periods was covering the boston marathon. and this ways wors worse. >> does it even matter? >> no, iowa is so far in the rearview mirror. we're in the middle of a crisis of democracy. and we saw that with trump. for them to quibble over who won -- they both won. maybe one more delegate or two more. new hampshire, you guys -- >> this matters. and just for my producers, do we have the biden attack ad? we don't have it. >> the one point that i would add, it does matter how buttigieg performed. he overperformed and biden un r underperformed. and both of those things are important. >> and there is a new ad that
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joe biden put out that is be thing mayor buttigieg and saying the accomplishments of biden are, you know, peace around the world and big deals. and here is pete buttigieg reacting. >> you know, it is typical political attack. and it is too bad because so many community, communities like mine in south bend, we know that we might look small from the perspective of washington, but what is going on in washington is what is small and small minded. communities whether my size or rural communities or even neighborhoods in our biggest cities that feel completely left behind are frustrated with being made into a punch line by washington politicians. >> and kimberly, which is a bigger problem for mayor pete, inexperience argument, or is it
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the on dg ogoing stumbles about questions on race? >> i think it is the latter. i don't think that he is a mayor in itself will really hurt him as much. i think where the biden ad fails is that it talked about the situation where the police chief and the fire chief were fired and yet buttigieg still failed to really have a good answer for in a. but it was meddled in sort of poking at him and throwing shade about policies about adopted dogs and lights on brinkdges. >> and here is on fox with chris wallace, this is cut 7 for our producers. do we have it? we don't have it. okay. we don't have it yet. so basically wallace asked the fact is blacks were four times more likely to be arrested for marijuana arrests in your town where you were mayor and buttigieg answers the disparity
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was there, and he said it is in all towns across the country. and in my city black be residents were less likely to be arrested on drug charges but the disparity is real. it is only one of the reasons that i'm proposing to legalize marijuana. we need a process that expunges it. so he is trying to fix it. >> buttigieg is running as a restohetorical candidate. he is not talking about what he's done. the ad that biden ran was correct in a lot of ways. he dealt with a city council budget, not a $900 billion recovery program or program to save the all the toe industraut. so he can talk about his rhetorical vision. and he has gotten to this point with that, but i still wonder whether it comes to other elections or others start going after him like the biden ad, you know, nirk to tin addition to t
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race issue, whether that takes more out of -- >> so he needs more than sound bites. >> absolutely. and he keeps coming out with sentences that are a bunch of pretty leafs trying to be a he tree. i'm for up, not down, i'm for waffles and not pancakes. we need a new paradigm and i ne need -- but i think one of the things that strikes me and we'll get to -- i mean, i'm going to step over the line here a little bit. this by doesn't knguy doesn't k talk to black folks and it doesn't appear that he is interested in learning as opposed to say that warren said hey, i didn't know most of this stuff before i started the campaign. and you know, i watch him talk about the race question. and it is so careful and analytical. it is like there is no blood, no message to it. >> you would think that he would talk about it at the debate and
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he did not say anything. he spoke more about the donors. >> and let's play a little bit of that. here it is. >> barack obama called joe biden -- >> best vice president america ever had. >> but pete buttigieg doesn't think even of the vice president's record. let's compare. when president trump called on him, biden helped lead the passage of the affordable care act. and when park goers called on pete buttigieg, he installed decorative lights giving the citizens colorfully illuminated rivers. >> all right. we'll move on from that. but it is pretty rough. let's move on to bernie sanders. this is one of those when you got to say it problems. and do democrats risk making the elections will them than a referendum on trump. here he is on fox. >> we have a president who is a pathological liar. and obviously i'm not a com uk
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and i presume the president knows the difference. >> so that is a stretch, but will he have a problem -- >> your point is great, and i'm not saying this to suck up, but we came into 2020 thinking, okay, this is a referendum on trump. and what he's done and it is about -- to biden's relate tohe the soul of america. but if you put bernie up there or anybody else, they all have their own liabilities that will become part of the referendum. so whether bernie likes it or not, socialism does not poll well in america. it just doesn't. and so if the contest becomes, well, what is socialism, is he a socialist, yes, a democratic socialist, what is the difference between socialism and com uhe natimunis communism, all of that takes
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away from-doesn't me hel-- does can't win, but -- >> and let's play elizabeth warren because she needs to get ahead of him in that lane. here she is. >> i'm a capitalist. i believe in the markets. this is what i talk about all the time. there are areas where markets didn't work like in health care and education. but there are a lot of areas where markets do work and that is what creates opportunity and what can grow well. but markets need rules. markets without rules are theft. >> by diden was saying the idea socialism won't work in pennsylvania and the midwest. they are making that you have the economic change without the socialism label. >> and i think the debate on that issue is a good one. and it should be enthusiastic, it should be wide ranging.
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and i think healthy for the country. i know what socialism meant to the generation i grew up in. it meant missiles from moscow basically. under the age of 40, i'm not entirely sure of the boogeyman anymore. and all parts of the democratic party from the establishment to the partisans of every other candidate to the fridge he frin either side will have to make used to the fact that bernie sanders may be the nominee and they better not mcgovern or jimmy carter him between now and november because that would be really bad. >> because if the party is not fully for the nominee, it is not just him, it is also both senate seats and house seats. they have to try to find a way to hold the house and flip the senate. i'm not sure they know how to do that yet. by the way, do you believe that
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he will get the nomination? do you have a guess? >> i don't. i've learned from 2016. >> a guess? >> i'm with her. >> oh, no. so up next, who won the week? stay with us. ♪ limu emu & doug and now for their service to the community, we present limu emu & doug with this key to the city. [ applause ] it's an honor to tell you that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. and now we need to get back to work. [ applause and band playing ] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ want to freshen your home ♪ without using heavy, overwhelming scents? try febreze one; it eliminates odors with no heavy perfumes, so you can feel good about using it in your home. for a light, natural-smelling freshness,
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the time has finally arrived for the moment that we all wait for every week, and it is -- >> who won the week! >> they were trying to do it. let's let the audience have one more chance. this is television. audience, what is it time for? >> who won the week! >> all they needed was rehearsal. >> it is a second choice thing like iowa. >> don't say iowa. it gives me a headache. who won the week? >> first i say muslims because me being here, i doubled the population of muslims in new hampshire. the winner to me and no one can beat this, i'm sorry, it is the one and only on nancy pelosi, aka nancy the ripper.
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>> if i have a . >> give a pelosi clap, everybody. >> and around the world she -- he talked about -- at the prayer breakfast week, he challenged the devil and said that she should be criminally prosecuted. just the fact that she freaked him out brings me an inappropriate amount of joy. it is my guilty pleasure. and she also took be the media narrative away from him for days. the coverage was not about what he said. even mike pence was on fox news and asked point blank what about nancy pelosi. and they all had an afternoons for abo answer for it. so i think she emboldened so many democrats. it was empowering. >> and she knew that the afterparty would the nnot be wa. so she does her thing in the moment and she understands
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politics. i wish more democrats did. is this going to be tough for you, tiffany. she was on my list. i have to cross that off. who won the week? >> mine is a little more complex. it does need to be complex. it does need to be said, i think who won the week are all the people who responded thoughtfully about the gayle king interview with lisa leslie. he was so disappointed in some of the backlash gayle king got. as women in media, we can be on the receiving end of extreme comments. i will table the fact that was it appropriate for gayle king to pose the question about the kobe assault to lisa leslie. however you feel about that, that's a separate debate. what came after that, this misogynist, horrible comments from men, including snoop dogg who did his non-apology apology
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this morning. he called gayle king out by name, talked about her physical appearance, her hair. i was so disappointed. people like reggie bush, lebron james, liked it, 50 cent weighed in, all these ugly things days after the hashtag. it was heartbreaking to see. look, these are real people in front of the camera with real feelings. gayle king is now walking around with security. and i was just appreciative of the people who came out and said, whoa, time out, that does not honor kobe bryant's legacy, this is a father of four doors. snoop dogg is raising a daughter, lebron is raising a daughter, all these people who championed this message of calling out her name. i was appreciative to the people who came out. not to mention oprah, oprah has done a lot for the black community. so to say these women don't do a lot, just as black women, we
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rise so hard for black men, it was not fair to get that attack from our brethren. >> jackie reid talked about whether the question was appropriate. all the vitriol hadn't come out fully, we all said i don't know that if i would have asked the question in that moment, but i don't know that it was worth the rage. gayle king is an icon, robert. charlie, who won the week? >> i'm a white guy and i know not to pick on oprah. >> you don't go there. >> you don't. they will need dental records. >> that's right. >> my who won the week, amy klobuchar has a great new line in her stump speech where she talks about who donald trump blames for his incredible blunders. her line is, who blames the king of denmark? hamlet blames the king of
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denmark for everything. his mother is doing the nasty with his uncle. his father is in the garden. hamlet can't make up his mind what to have for breakfast. haml hamlet blames the king of denmark. for 400 years he's been blaming the same guy. get over yourself. you're the prince of denmark. >> okay, charlie. >> there. >> you said a soliloquy. i had such a long list, it's always a tough choice here. rupaul darn near got it because that was the best "saturday night live" in years, so good from start to finish. >> and the oscars, it was fabulous. >> the glam squad had to overdo me because i was up all night. doug jones was on my list because the courage of the vote
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that he took i think was great. mitt romney was on my list, amazing. j-lo and shakira with the kids in the cages, muslim, the traditional dances from her arab background. >> and 43 and 50. >> making it look fierce. deandre arnold won the week this week, he attended barbara hill high school in mt. develop vibe texas, was told he could not attend graduation because his hair was in dreads. now he's been invited to the oscars by the other person, a previous who won the week winner named matthew cherry whose film "hair love" is up for an oscar nomination tonight. and yes, i was one of the people who gave a couple of hundred bucks to it, i was so excited, never done a kickstarter donation before. deandre got invited, so happy. gabrielle union produced "hair
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love." he doesn't get to walk in graduation but he gets to walk with the stars. i'm hoping "hair love" wins, you have to see it. this audience behind me who are so fabulous, they won the week as well. more "a.m. joy" after the break. plus more live from new hampshire today, tune in at 2:00 p.m. eastern to catch chris jansing. stay with msnbc throughout the day. (vo) parents have a way of imagining the worst... ...especially when your easily distracted teenager has the car. at subaru, we're taking on distracted driving [ping] with sensors that alert you when your eyes are off the road. the all-new subaru forester. the safest forester ever.
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that is our show for today. thanks so much for watching. "a.m. joy" will be back next saturday, 10:00 a.m. eastern. up next, alex witt has the latest. alex, we need you hear with me, what's happening? >> i will be there at some point, i'm sure, you and i will be gallivanting on the road. aren't you hanging out with me next weekend? >> i am. we should bring 437 people and have them hang out with us as well. >> i would love that, invite them all, let's see what the bosses say, hmm. safe travels, thank you so much. a good day to all of you from msnbc headquarters in new york. high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." the final push. democratic candidates amp up with two days to go before the new hampshire primary. >> if you do as mayor buttigieg
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does, take huge amounts of contributions from the ceos of the pharmaceutical industry. >> bernie is pretty rich. i would happily accept a contribution from him. >> i didn't attack pete. he's been attacking me. >> the coalition of billionaires won't carry us over the top. also the president's payback, firing impeachment witnesses. who can stop him, and where it ends. rising toll. new numbers on the coronavirus today as hundreds remain stranded on cruise ships around the world. tuesday is the day for new hampshire voters to make their final choice in the democratic primary. and it may be a very close race. the latest poll showing bernie sanders on top with 24%, just a bit ahead of pete buttigieg, he's coming in with 22%. most candidates are campaigning in new hampshire today. several are already out there stumping. joe biden doubling down on his claim that he's the only candidate who can earn the support of enough black voters to win in november
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