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klobuchar, tom steyer. and second, the president takes a victory lap. vindman and his twin brother out at the white house. and the senate begins investigating the bidens. we're beginning with breaking news out of iowa. nearly a full week after the iowa caucuses the state's d democratic party has released more results as well as the number of delegates it's awarding to each candidate. pete buttigieg 14, elizabeth warren 8, joe biden six and amy klobuchar, one. the magic number 1,1091. we want to point out that the decision desk will not be projecting a winner. this is according to the state's democratic party. joining me now in new hampshire where the candidates have all

but moved on, former obama campaign manager, political analyst, chief public affairs officer for move on.org and also the author of "moving forward." and national political reporters for "the "washington post." and nbc news political editor carry dan. you are, a, i don't want to say an iowa native but you've certainly live there had long enough to get street cred. we're trying to understand what caused the partedy to release these results now. what do we know about the state of that race? >> reporter: this is after days of confusion and frustration from the campaigns that were trying to project what was going to happen in this race. the campaigns have been almost entirely moved on.

both pete buttigieg and bernie sanders claimed victory before they got to new hampshire. and what we found today and again as you noted nbc news is not making a projection in this race. this comes after they reviewed 95 caucuses at the request of campaigns where there were said to be -- found to be diskremancies in the data. 55 of the 95 were found to need adjustment because the data didn't match up to the original results on the ground. they say that's just 3% of the overall precincts but it has been a laung and arduous process. early last week they released new data that showed delegates being awarded to patrick, who did not campaign in iowa. so, that was immediately a red flag. and so these results are out now. we do have a final number of national delegates as you noted

with pete buttigieg beating out bernie sanders by two delegates. that's the margin pete originally said he was going to be the winner. and sanders says i had more in the raw vote and he's declared him sthfl winner as well. >> wow. thank you very much for a great breakdown of what has turned into pretty unbelievably thorny situation out in iowa. thank you. david, you of courses, were on the ground for obama's historic campaign in the iowa caucus. i think i'm just struck -- yes, we have a winner. but to a certain extent feels it doesn't matter which is strange considering how much energy and resources these campaigns put in on the ground in iowa. do you think the caucus as we know it is done and over with?

>> certainly. barack obama was two-term president in part because he dominated caucuses and there water lot more in 2008. a lot less now. my guess is innext time, whether we have 24, if we don't beat trump, 28 if we do, we'll have none. but it's mattered more than i thought it would. because iowa has never been about delegates, new hampshire has never been about delegates. south carolina begins to be about delegates and you're seeing mayor pete getting a lot of momentum and bernie maintaining strength and people like biden and klobuchar fighting for their lives. mayor pete would have liked the full balloons coming down. >> he lost out on that. >> we see the new hampshire polls and so and my guess is if bernie were to win by 10 or 15, he's going to net more

delegates. in 2008 we both got nine. >> and until that very point the stakes in new hampshire feel higher than ever. the latest "boston globe" tracking poll shows bernie sanders with just a two-point lead over pete buttigieg. elizabeth warren is in third and joe biden sits back in fourth as he continues to bleed support. and as "the los angeles times" puts it, biden has aify, actually many, things on his mind as he stairs down the possibility of a fourth place finish in new hampshire after a fourth place finish in iowa. clearly one of those things is pete buttigieg, not just finishing in the polls but bringing outbug numbers. >> this guy's not a barack obama. barack obama had been a senator for a very large state.

the new blood we had is clinton and we came up with guy named obama. but guess what? they had overwhelming support from the african-american community. you can't win without that. flat out. >> are you basically saying mayor buttigieg has a race problem? >> no, i'm saying he's not been able to unify the black community. the most senior member of the city counsel endorsed me. >> so, of course that's not buttigieg's crowds but joe biden underscoring their campaign's frustration in these final days before new hampshire. as buttigieg is trying to fend off those attacks, he has also engaged in an escalating back and forth with the candidate who won the state by more than 20 points in 2016. that's bernie sanders. >> unlike some of the folks up here, i don't have 40

billionaires, pete, contributing to my campaign. >> the idea you have to be for a revolution or the status quo leaves most of us out. >> billionaires by the dozens are contributing to the buttigieg campaign. >> politics says it's my way or the highway. >> are you talking about senator sanders? k >> yes, because we've got to bring as many people as we can into this process. >> so, you've covered a lot of campaigns here in new hampshire for, at one point for "the boston globe" as well. you know the area well. the cruseble that is the final days in new hampshire. pete buttigieg pressure from both sides show he is on the rise and potentially has the most to gain and lose. >> and it's important to see who candidates are talking about and who they're not. and pete buttigieg is being talked about by bernie sanders and joe biden. they're both after him.

and i think you saw in the polling numbers this race has become two campaigns in a way. it's a fight between pete buttigieg and bernie sanders at the top. but there's a vigorous fight for third place with warren and biden and klobuchar. as you mentioned the state can swing very quickly. and it seems to be swinging with klobuchar having a lot of momentum. and there's a lot of nerves that he could get a fourth or fifth place finish which would be a huge hit to the campaign. >> is that what matters for biden? making sure he's not any worse than third? >> i think so. the thing i saw was klobuchar at nine and biden at ten. he cannot afford to not go down to fourth or fifth. that would be a really big blow to his campaign.

and you got to remember they're bleeding in these early states. this state is crucial to many of them. you think about bernie sanders. he'll stay to the end. he has a lot of money. i want to touch on what david said. this is the narrative race right now. do you have the message? do you have the momentum to take it to -- all the way to super tuesday, which is march 3rd, once you're done with the more diverse states? >> and of course the argument for the biden campaign has been wait, hold on, let's get to south carolina. i was on the trail with joe biden yesterday and he had a long and free wheeling exchange with the press. i asked about some of the attacks going back and forth among the democratic field right now. >> you've always said democrats shoulde shouldn't have a circular firing squad? >> i haven't responded at all.

i kept my mouth shut a long time. but it's been a constant assertion that the problems today are somehow because of our administration. that's simply not true. and so we want to compare records, it's easy to do. i get it. and he's a good guy, a great mayor. but guess what? he was a mayor. >> i mean, jenna johnson, the reality is if you are in a good, comfortable places you don't need to make that kind of an attack three or four day busines before the primary. >> exactly. this is not how he wanted to run the race but what he's been pushed to do. one of the things so striking in iowa is how poorly joe biden did there. year hearing from precincts that voted twice for obama and once for trump, places biden said he could win. the whole reason he says he could win this is because he

could win back those voters and go after former republicans, independents, people in the middle, people who want to get back to the way things were. and he wasn't winning there. and everything he's been laying out that challenge. >> he couldn't be labels the clear loser the night of. >> the same main character, you guessed it. barack obama. and mocking the experience of pete buttigieg.

so, i have many thoughts, several of which i'd like the discuss. to start with this feels small to me. from someone who's supposed to be part of the big, sweeping administration. >> i thought mayor pete's response to the ad was very strong.

which is we could use washington to be a little more like a small town. basically working and functioning for people. obama is the most popular figure in the democratic party. almost 100% approval rating among african-american voters. the race has always been to me what would it take for joe biden to not win south carolina? and he's going to test that proposition if he comes three here. four in iowa, four/five -- >> how did he become so much less plausible. >> i can't overstate for you how differently this campaign will feel. you leave on a saturday night at the end of february and i think they're paying enough attention to the california primary where bernie sanders has the possibility to get 30, 40 and a large percentage.

15, 16 -- i don't think it's enough to win south carolina. he's got to exit with enough velocity to be the top contender. if you look at the top four democratic candidates, kennedy, carter, clinton, obama, they all faced the attacks that they didn't have the experience. but we have always had success with a fresh face. so, i would be -- >> much more than republicans, democrats seem willing to bet on somebody new, different, inexperienced in the minds of some. >> and our veterans seem to lose. from an electability standpoint -- the most important part of the primary was when ted kennedy endorsed barack obama and read the things they said about not being ready and said they said the same things about my brother, john f kennedy. that was striking, indeed.

the other face looming over the election, trump. now acquitted. he's beefing up support with black and suburban voters and, yes, even trying to win in new hampshire. and the democrats are just trying to makeup for lost time. let's bring in shaquille brewster. this is a week that, months from now, i think we're likely to be seen as a turning point. i'm curious is it going to end up being a blip? >> that's a good question and remember a couple of mung months ago they thought it could be a benefit to trump and only served as a distraction and they were concerned about how it reshaped the entire race. now they're starting to figure out how. for democratic candidates the stakes are only getting higher.

>> double what you have or anybody else. >> wait a second, bernie, let's not argue about polls. >> reporter: their eventual rival only looking stronger. it was a bruising fwreweek for democrats, the first blow coming monday. the iowa caucuses turning into days of confusion. reporting errors, calls for recanvassing and no clear winner. >> we had a victorious night that shocked the public. >> reporter: it essentially was a tie. >> no, it wasn't a tie. there was not an historic tie but we won. >> reporter: tuesday trump's approval reaches a best. amid a four more years in the state of the union >> president donald john trump, president of the united states, is not guilty as charged.

>> i never thought a word would sound so good. it's called total acquittal. >> reporter: a president defiant and the democratic party divided. >> tom, bernie, amy and elizabeth. >> buttigieg, bernie sanders, and joe biden. >> reporter: and that new hampshire is frozen over, the tone is becoming icier. >> he calls himself a democratic socialist. we've already seen what donald trump is going to do with that. >> i'm skeptical of the idea that it's eeth arrevolution or you're from the status quo. >> pete buttigieg has more exclusive donors from billionaires. >> reporter: and the president will look to cast his shadow with a rally in new hampshire tomorrow night. >> they couldn't even take a simple tabulation and yet they're telling you how to run the country and how to run health care. >> reporter: voters focus on beating trump but divided on how.

>> my top priority is anybody. >> reporter: are you confident the candidates in the field right now can beat trump? no. >> reporter: are you confident the candidates can beat trump? >> i -- i really hope so. >> reporter: and you see barbara shaking her head no as she answered the last question. many are simply traumatized with what's happened in 2016. they're looking at this race and don't know which candidate will be the best person to take him on. >> and as always both voters pretty remarkable. very quick final thought on what you saw from the folks talking to shaq. that's the question all of us are looking at is there anyone? and perhaps it's mike bloomberg waiting in the wings. >> i don't know. a shrug almost. >> i don't know if we have that

in the production line but i'll work on it. >> as i talk to voters, they feel like their decision is bigger than them voting in a primary. the field is so crowded. we didn't get enough clarity out of iowa. i talk to a lot of people weighing not just what they want but what they think other voters in other states are going to want. >> and we're left with the muddle. we're going to have so much more to come tonight on "kasie d.c." in the white house revenge is a dish best served freak wnltly. and buttigieg has the biggest cycle. and i talked to amy klobuchar pulling in more than $2 million in fund raising. you're watching "kasie d.c." you're watching "kasie d.c."

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♪ welcome back to "kasie d.c." road warrior, von hillyard has been following the buttigieg campaign on the ground. he joins me live from london dairy. great work out there. clearly a campaign on the assent, unlike, of course, the joe biden campaign. buttigieg is, i think, behind you taking the stage. so, what have you got for us?

>> i think you jumped in during high hopes. and yes, the former south bend mayor just took the stage. this is his fifth event of the day. you've been to pete buttigieg events. there's a different energy over the course of the last week not felt over the last year. when we were talking to voters, there was this concept of voting for pete buttigieg and this idea of the 25 different candidates that came through the state that could get behind this mayor. and what showed was not only resilience butted an idea he could win. and this isn't necessarily the backyard of pete buttigieg. now, this is the way he's squaring up this race. it's him and bernie sanders. take a listen. >> i respect senator sanders but when i hear this message that

you are from the revolution or status quo, it doesn't have room for most of us. what we could do without is senator sanders freely admits he has no idea how it's supposed to be paid for. i'm there on the part about making corporations pay their fair share. but when you do that and there's still a $25 trillion hole, it raises the question whether they can elect somebody that can do math that adds up. >> you saw bernie sanders and pete buttigieg tied. and now it's bernie sanders -- what you saw yesterday was the former vice president essentially throwing a flair at pete buttigieg. but what you've heard over the last 48 hours is not only the idea of democrats but independents.

on the republican side, 40% of folks that took part in the republican primary in 2016 were independents. those same independents could partake in the process 48 hours from now in the democratic side. the question is to what extent can that help? >> that's a great question. great work as always. thank you so much, my friend. shall see you soon. one of the things interesting to me shaping up is this is clearly a foikt to be the alternative to bernie sanders. you've got bernie sanders sailing through iowa, looking to do well here. which consoldate the rest of the field if at all. does this pay the way to be that alternative, leaving the democratic party with two candidates that have shown no ability to appeal to people of color? >> there it is right there.

you have iowa, new hampshire, iowa 90% white, nebraska 93% white. not really representative of the base. and then when you get to nevada and south carolina who can expand that base? i tell you bernie sanders learned a lesson in 2016 and has done a better job, especially with younger people of color and buttigieg, as we know, has had a real hard time, especially when you look at numbers in south carolina. so, that's the question. how are they going to expand that base going into now two more diverse states? and let's not forget what's going on. you have klobuchar, biden, buttigieg. but you also have mayor bloomberg on the sidelines waiting in the wings, spending a ton of money across the country. and spending money and going into states that democrats just don't pay attention to. >> it's not clear how this mudblecomes anything other than bernie sanders in the strongest

position heading to the convention. >> you'd much rather be bernie sanders than anybody else right now. back in 2004, john kerry was at 1%. barack obama trailed both white candidates. but so much of this depends on how the chips fall. to your point, who's left standing. and i think elizabeth warren comes in third and stays in the race, not all of her hand would go to bernie. so, i think so much of that and as we cover this race and think about it, it's not doing well. it's who can actually win the nomination? and i think the question is on march 3rd, 10th, 17th when most of the country votes, who can get in the high 30s, even 40s? right now bernie sanders is the one person you'd say he has the best chance. >> tom steyer is expected to do pretty well in new hampshire but suddenly polling seconds in south carolina.

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it's my honor, real honor and privilege to endorse mitt romney. mitt is tough, he's smart, he's sharp. he's not going to allow bad things to continue to happen to this country that we all love. so, governor romney, go out and get 'em. you can do it. >> thank you. >> there are some things that you just can't imagine happening in your life. this is one of them. >> that was mitt romney accepting president trump's endorsement in 2012, talking about something he couldn't have imagined.

fast forward to this week when senator romney announced he would vote to convict the president and he predicted something we could all see coming. >> i'm aware there are people in my party and in my state who will strenuously disprove of my decision. and in some corners i will be vehemently denounced. >> there's 197-0. and the one failed presidential candidate and i call that half a vote because he actually voted for us. but we had one failed presidential candidate. that's the only half a vote we lost. >> and joining our conversation national correspondent for "new york magazine." gabe, thanks for being here. there's so many layers of richness to the romney/trump relationship over the years. no pun intended, i should say.

what romney did at the ownend o the day was extraordinary. and i don't want to speak for matt but for me it reflected this was a person who -- has always been deeply committed to his faith and often struggled to reconcile his politics with the consultant side wanted to run his campaign a certain way and mitt romney, the man, wanted to do it differently. >> i think this week is one of the first times we've seen him talk about his faith openly in a way lot of people around him have wanted to see for a long time. this struggle, we saw it over the course of the relationship with donald trump. i think it's safe to say at this point it's not going to be friendly again. >> a punctuation mark. >> and there was, in the 2016 campaign, when he gave a big speech denouncing trump.

and we've gone back and forth through this thing. this was mitt romney essentially realizing he has different political incentives from everyone else because he's not up for re-election in a long time, has a very specific relationship with the state of utah and those are not typical republican voters in many ways. and we saw him finally stand up and say this in a way no other republican senator would. >> the thing that went through my heads with all this is mitt romney's father -- you remember in the debates, he used to write his dad's name, george, on the notepad in 2012. i think his dad got in disputes with richard nixon and ended up resigning out of principal. and i think in this cases much of his political career he's been trying to bob and weave and be what he thought the political electorate wanted. whether as massachusetts governor -- >> and got labelled in the

beginning. >> i think now he can be the politician that he maybe was before but was sort of trying to morph into something different and now he's coming to this conclusion. i mean, i think he is a man alone at this point and those senate lunches are going to be very awkward for a while. >> suffice it to say i did not expect to come here after covering his campaign and hear mitt romney's name cheered at democratic events. i'll leave it there. thank you guys so much for being here. we're in manchester but already people are looking ahead to south carolina. tom steyer has crept into second place. my conversation with him on the campaign trail next. n the campaign trail next. yes! yes. yes. yeah sure. yes yes. yeah, yeah no problem. yes. yes, yes a thousand times yes! discover. accepted at over 95% of places in the u.s.

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nbc news he's going to campaign in south carolina instead. second place behind joe biden and nearly ahead of bernie sanders, propelled by serious support among black voters. i talked to steyer and he says there are two key things the nominee will need to beat president trump. >> it is very clear he's running on his economic record and it's also clear that if you're going to beat him, if we're going to beat him, the democratic nominee has got to be able to go toe to toe on the economy, look at his arguments and say yeah, the economy is growing but all the money is going to rich people. yes, we have low unemployment but people can't live on the jobs. 85% of the stocks are owned by the top 10%. most people it doesn't help at all. i call this the mar-a-lago economy. great for his pals at mar-a-lago. he acchael blew up the deficit

by cutting taxes on a the richest people. >> turning to south carolina you have mounted a significant campaign there. it's been documents. you've be you've been investing in black businesses and getting traction. is your strategy moving forward through south carolina or do you have to perform well here in new hampshire for that to happen? >> of course. also nevada comes before south carolina. nevada has a very large latino population. i want to do well in south carolina. and my last poll had me at -- my point is this is whoever is going to be the democratic nominee has to be able to take on trump in the economy, and second of all, has to have that diverse coalition that includes latinos, asian americans.

>> it seems sitting here out of iowa, there's the elizabeth warren/bernie sanders lane and another lane, pete is taking on joe biden. biden is saying wait in south carolina. he's got you waitliing in the wings. doesn't that clear a path for bernie sanders? >> i think of myself as a progressive. i actually don't think of myself in that context. i think there are several issues where i'm more progressive than anyone else. i'm talking about term limits for congress people i'm the person proposing a 10% tax cut for everybody in the united states who -- and i can pay for it. i'm the person who is openly for reparations. >> isn't joe bideen the person to beat? >> i think i can beat everybody in south carolina, to be honest. i don't think joe biden is the

person to beat, you have to beat everybody. >> do you think you can beat donald trump if it's still being fought out into the summer? >> the democratic party is going to have to coalesce. everybody is going to have to get behind somebody. i've said i will support whoever it is. but we can't have a divided democratic party or we will lose. the person who's going to be -- right now we're in deep trump mode, period. everybody on that stage is better on every single policy area. there are important differences but they only matter if we win. can you beat trump in the fall? and the two things we have to do is take them down on economy and coalesce the economy in every single sense including the diverse parts of the democratic party that make us such a strong party and make sure that, however we define ourselves, we get behind the candidate.

but it f those two things happen, we're going to win and win big. >> do you think bernie sanders is too liberal to win a general election? >> it's not about liberal. it's about -- >> can he win a general election? >> yes, if he can beat trump on the economy, make that argument, and if people will get behind him across the spectrum of the democratic party. >> is a spectrum of swing voters and independents and democrat voters prepared -- >> you're asking a conditional question. >> but this is the fight going on among the rest of you is can bernie win or not. i do have to haask you about th. do you feel that joe biden

addressed thatted a kw adequate not? >> no. i didn't understand his answer. i was not challenging him. i was inviting him to do the right thing. >> i'm asking you to join me in the support i have in the overwhelming members of the black caucus. i have more supported from the black community than anybody else, double what you have or anybody else. >> wait a seconds, let's not argue about polls. bernie -- >> i've already spoken and he in fact was -- is, i believe, sorry for what he said. here's the deal, folks. look, we got to stop taking the black community for granted. thal that's the starting place. >> i think this is a clear case where something was said racist and i was asking biden -- i was

asking joe biden to disavow what dig carpoot leen stood and stand with the black caucus and i didn't understand. did you? >> last but not least, joe biden today on the trail is saying pete buttigieg was just a mayor. that you have to be more than that if you want to be president of the united states. do you think being a mayor is qualification enough to be president of the united states or not? >> i don't think -- it's not a question about whether he is a mayor or not. it's a question -- to me, it comes back the economic question can he take on trump on the economy. >> and do you think he can? >> no. i don't see him having the experience to go toe to toe on the debate stage with the economy. and can he pull together the diverse coalition of americans and have people be excited so we

can beat trump in november 2020? those are the two questions for every single person. i think new hampshire voters, that's the only question they should be asking. i'm saying those are the two ways to slice the pie and i believe it but they can see it otherwise. if you can't answer those two questions with yes, that means you can't beat trump and nothing else matters. you could have the greatest policies in history but so what? >> my thanks to tom steyer for talking with me. and coming up i talk to amy klobuchar. primetime take over monday night. and few people have spent more time in new hampshire than michael bennet. kasie d.c." live from new hampshire after this. kasie d.c." live from new hampshire after this we present limu emu & doug with this key to the city. [ applause ]

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michael bennett knows he needs a strong showing in new hampshire. according to nbc, the colorado senator is third among all candidates in number of trips to the state. but he is barely registering with voters in the latest polling. i caught up with senator bennett to talk to him about the future of his campaign and what democrats need to do to beat donald trump. >> so for you this is the live or die state. where do you think you stand a few days out? >> i think we have momentum. the voters in new hampshire are less decided today than they were six weeks ago or six months ago because they are trying to figure out which one of us can notch off donald trump, which is the right question for them to be asking. i have done 50 town halls. today was the 50th. and it feels really, really good. i have not moved up in the polls

yet here. we'll see what happens on tuesday. but i'm going to run through the tape and i think we're going to do well. >> bernie sanders had a strong performance in iowa and he seems poised to do well in new hampshire. he won big in new hampshire in 2016. is bernie sanders on a glide path to the nomination or not? >> well, these are early days. bernie will do well here. he did really well in iowa as well. there's a difference between winning a democratic primary and winning a general election. dearth sfi twams ed the fern tem sbr 55 trillion of new stuff. and not only that we shouldn't worry about that, but nobody should worry about that. maybe it's possible to win a democratic primary saying that stuff. i think it's going to be hard to win a general election. >> do you think bernie sanders could win a general election? >> i want to believe that any nominee in the democratic party can win, but will do everything

i can. including for bernie sanders if he gets the nomination. but it makes harder than it needs to be. >> do you think there's too much of a muddle in the other lane, in the moderate lane to prevent a bernie sanders nomination? >> i don't know. i really feel like i've got a set of proposals that are not just defensible among democrats and independent voters, but that could build momentum for progressive agenda. i have the right set of ideas, a focus on how do we strengthen the middle class and get people into the middle class and do it in a way that's appealing to voters rather than in a way that's not appealing to voters. one of the ways you win elections is by running on stuff people actually want. and the proposals i have made in this race are things that people want and i believe also that i'm the right generation. it just feels like it's time for us to turn the page on the generation that got us here and begin to do the work that the

next generation of americans needs us to do. >> do you think that joe biden or elizabeth warren, bernie sanders are too old? >> i would never say they are too old, but i do think the country is ready for the next generation of leadership. we have had 50 years of income stagnation in this country. we fought two wars over 20 years that have not resulted in what we said they would result in for the american people. and i think we need a new set of leadership. >> joe biden earlier this week saying that pete buttigieg was just a mayor of small town and that wasn't preparation enough for the presidency. do you agree with biden's assessment? >> i would look at it this way. i have said to people over and over again in new hampshire. i don't think it's a secret to pete or anybody else that the old school district i ran had a budget three times the size of mayor pete's hometown. and i ran that school district before i came and spent ten years in the senate. i think it's really important to

whomever we elect have the experience that's required to overcome the corruption in the senate to overcome the freedom caucus. what we're dealing with right now is the id logical end state of the freedom caucus and mitch mcconnell and trumpism. it's a broken government. and we have to win elections to overcome that and we also have to be able to go out to the country, forge a coalition of people to close over a broken washington. i think if you're coming from a place of being mayor of south bend that's good experience. it's how to fix the broken place in washington, d.c. and i think the vice president is we just get rid of trump and everything will go back to normal. the normal before trump was there was the tea party was d dominating politics and making it impossible for barack obama to get anything done. and you add up with citizens united, the effective

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welcome back to "kasie d.c." live from manchester, new hampshire. later tonight after the deback kl with the jammed phone lines during the iowa caucuses, i'm going to talk to a republican operative who went to prison for having phone lines jammed here in new hampshire. the iowa democratic party released the number of delegates it's awarding to each candidate. pete buttigieg and bernie sanders were awarded the most, 14 and 12 respectively. we want to point out that nbc news decision desk is the not going to be projecting a winner in the iowa democratic caucus. and this allocation of national delegates is according to the states democratic party. they had a hell of a week. we are used to years of a sequence that goes something like this. iowa shocks, new hampshire

clarifies. but this year -- >> when i left iowa, i said it was too close to call. it still is. but i feel good. >> i feel very good. >> is i'm feeling good. >> i have a good feeling. >> we are going on to new hampshire victorious. >> i don't know how anybody declares victory. >> we here in northern new england call that a victory. >> a victory according to bernie sanders and everybody else in the field. when new hampshire is over, only a small fraction of the delegates to the convention will have been dolled out. but with sanders, buttigieg and klobuchar ascending here in some ways the stakes feel critical for the once presumptive front runner, who is lowering expectations and trying to show only he can frame the fight against president trump.

when i saw colonel vindman being at the white house. i thought this is an america i know. it was the same thing i thought when i heard the president of the united states refer to traumatic brain injuries in iraq as headaches. or when he called our generals and flag officers losers to their faces. when he bowed down to putin and said why would he want to interfe interfere. i don't believe our intelligence community. i lost a lot in my lifetime like many of you have. car accident took away my wife and daughter, lost my son beau, like many of you have done. but i'll be damned if i'm going to standby and lose my country too. [ applause ] >> joiping me in new hampshire is reporter for "the boston globe" james behind the, repo reporter alex sit mccammond.

thank you for being here tonight. let me start with you, james. i want to run through a little bit of what ours teemed colleague at "the washington post" had to say about joe biden. it rereflects what i have seen here on the ground. he talks about the threat to democracy posed by president trump, his desire to restore the soul of the nation and rebuild the spine of the middle class. but his calling card is electab electability. it shows him running against trump than other candidates, but what in iowa more than 60% of the people who participated in the caucuses said electability is what they were looking for but only a quarter of them ba backed biden. so the electability sale doesn't seem to be working with voter who is are getting a chance to see the candidate up close. why? >> that's right. it's key to the the last part there. it's not a traditional primary

where you have to pick between the head and the heart. they decided. they said joe biden, you're not the pick for the head. he is not had a robust campaign. he's not inspired a lot of folks that feel like he can can go toe to toe. and i got to say. he came to the state, a state that loves comebacks, one after another, but these voters also want to see you try to earn it. he isn't earning it. he's doing teleprompter town halls. he's not visiting a dunkin' donuts ask doing the traditional things that someone who would want a comeback would normally do. >> we know he's a traditional candidate. he loves that stuff. but he simply hasn't been able to execute on it. >> what's so fascinating is that joe biden's stump speech is about trump, but it's about selling himself as the person to fix these things. where bernie sanders sells a message of a movement. pete buttigieg is selling a

message of a washington outsider bringing his perspective to d.c. it's about fighting this corruption at every level. it really relies on him being the product that he is selling. and to an extent, every candidate is the product of their selling, but his arkt just isn't convincing enough. it's about looking to the past, things will be fine. >> has it been a winning message on the democratic side? >> no t never has been. is and alex sit is right. joe biden's message has been contingent on the idea that trump is an aberration. and people like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders have really made their campaign message attacking a wholistic point of view. this isn't an aberration. it's an outgrowth of

institutional problems in america, throughout america that have affected the underserved, people of color and lower income communities. and james makes a really good point. the organization that exists for joe biden what we saw in iowa and in new hampshire, it's also sort of a self-fulfilling process if i for those making up their minds. they are not feeling that enthu enthu enthu enthu enthu enthusia enthusiasm. >> one more thing about this. i spent a lot of time knocking on doors for different organizations. and biden people when they look back, they are going to say impeachment had an impact. >> how? >> they may overblow it, but when you're knocking on doors and folks say how do you feel about biden, the word baggage comes up all the time. they will say it maybe unfair. i have other options.

i kind of like pete buttigieg or another candidate. that came up again and again was the word baggage, whether fair or unfair. that's a factor with joe biden. >> we're showing our viewers this new polling that shows the buttigieg bump is real. this enthusiasm he's up 19 points in our strongly support category. and you have to wonder, this seems as though -- i was thinking about this throughout kind of the impeachment process that donald trump was running the same playbook he ran against hillary clinton just to keep him from become iing the nominee. >> that's exactly right. to your point about baggage, that's the fear that democrats have had since all of this ukraine stuff came out and hunter biden's role came to light. they didn't want it to be hillary's e-mails 2.0. they know the trump campaign will turn any mole hill into a mountain. any personal baggage into the biggest thing possible and drag that opponent's character through the mud.

if you give them something to weaponize against you like what joe biden has been going through because of impeachment, hunter biden, there's no evidence he's done anything wrong. the facts do not help president trump. he knows the facts do not benefit him. >> that's not the fuel he's playing on. >> he's playing on emotions. the head and the heart argument, it's going straight for the heart. he wants to capture american voters by their heart and joe biden is going up against that already. >> after the iowa caucus fiasco, the candidates like the rest of us are seeking something resembling clarity here in new hampshire. we have been focused on the news cycle, but outside of that, kind of the bigger picture, which campaigns have put in the most work and have the best infrastructure set is up here in new hampshire. >> almost all of of the candidates bounced right from iowa into new hampshire and if

your name is not pete buttigieg or bernie sanders, history is come iing into play. temperatures hard to become the nominee if you haven't placed in one of these first two states. >> you probably heard we don't know the results. >> reporter: issues in iowa have the candidates between a rock and the granite state. >> this process has been a disaster. >> reporter: new hampshire could have more power than ever with an opportunity to be the first decisive decision this primary. >> are you feeling like they have the pressure to get this right? >> the pressure is also on for the candidates. >> i'm not going to sugar coat it. we took a gut punch in iowa. >> the status is on the ropes. >> i'll probably take it here traditionally bernie won by 20 points last time. >> he hasn't spent much time here. in person or on the air waves. spending far less than his competitors on tv ads throughout this process. biden is not the only one

fighting to stay afloat. new hampshire is critical for senator next door elizabeth warren. she's made more trips here than anyone else. always running, but the long shot leads the number of events. tulsi gabbard has done stops here followed by andrew yang and michael bennett. bernie sanders, meanwhile, is defend iing the big win. >> because of a huge voter turnout and i say huge. >> reporter: investing in the biggest stf on the ground while looking to pull in large number of independents. >> it's been an extraordinary week. and we are absolutely electrified. >> reporter: but the man who kind of maybe won iowa is looking to show he's not just the one-state wonder. >> new hampshire is not the kind of place to let iowa tell you what to do. >> reporter: new hampshire has been a game changer for years. >> new hampshire tonight has

made bill clinton the comeback kid. >> reporter: in 1992 clinton's victory here was a spring board no to the unanimono, ma'am nati. 16 years later -- >> this is very personal for me. >> reporter: the state stunned by elevating another clinton. and in 2008 -- >> i'm past the age i can claim the noun kid, to matter what adjective proceeds it. >> reporter: abirdie the straight talk express this is the kind of campaigning it takes to win here. showing up in diners, bookstores and starting out in people's living rooms. >> that was me last year. but it's also the small stuff. the tiny eggs signed after a speech, a stop at the desk at the secretary of state, and the selfies. >> we're seeing a lot of action here, a lot of interest and everybody wants to meet every candidate. >> that's very new hampshire. >> it's very new hampshire. if you don't have a selfie with the candidate, you're not going to vote for them. >> reporter: that's the picture

potentially worth a nomination. and i have to tell you. being on the ground here in new hampshire, the same thing strikes me that struck me in iowa. the number of people who are still undecided. showing up to these events, trying to meet the candidates, trying to hear something a that can help them make a decision and you see that baring out in the polling too. in a cbs poll that came out this morning, only 39% of voters said they are definitely made up their minds in who they are going to vote for on tuesday. so all the candidates in the state making their closing pitches, there are a lot of open ears here on the ground look for something to help them decide what to do on tuesday. >> i have to say it's a great point. the voters i talked to said they had only just made up their minds. and that is also has been underscored to me by folks here when there's that many undecided voters, the outcome can go either way. a great piece. i love politics and eggs. all great new hampshire traditions. thank you very much for your

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mike bloomberg may have skipped iowa and new hampshire, but his presence is increasingly being felt beyond the states as others are moving voters here, he's moving his campaign to bring in diverse clouds in alabama and oklahoma. i spoke with chris coons here and the biden supporter who cast doubt on bloomberg's approach. >> is bloomberg a spoiler? >> that's up to the voters. there's a long record of very wealthy people trying to buy their way ton to a debate stage. but his absence from the first four contests, the fact that he's standing back and investing heavily rather than getting in the mix and the squirrel here suggests to me he may not be

really ready to take on donald trump in the fall. >> so interesting perspective from chris coons there, who i have to say seemed to think that perhaps the campaign should just be moving on from here. what role does bloomberg play here? it seems to me bernie sanders had a top two performance in iowa likely to win here according to the polls. and the rest of the race is becoming an attempt to become the alternative to bernie sande sanders. there's a scramble here in new hampshire. bloomberg is waiting in the wings. i'm still not clear how that doesn't make bernie sanders the nominee in the end. >> he's really thrown a wrench into the race and made a crowded field even more confusing. that being said, bloomberg is good at getting under trump's skin. trump has been tweeting about him. but new hampshire voters are not thrilled by bloomberg.

they don't appreciate being skipped they really appreciate the retail politics and the attention and some people told me to look out for bloomberg's name getting written into some of the ballots on election day. but i do highly doubt that that's going to happen. above all, i think anyone who is trying to draw ideological lines don't understand how confusing the contours of this race are. it's very fuzzy ideologically. i met so many voters deciding between pete buttigieg and bernie sanders right now. or who are deciding between just very desperate candidates. that's why getting in there early and meeting people and forming the personal relationships is really clarifying and helpful. >> that's in part why someone like bloomberg in addition to the infrastructure and campaign he's running and building could be successful because when you see candidates choosing between someone like sanders and buttigieg who totally different that suggests there's a hunger for an outsider, whether that's a washington outsider.

he got in november 21st of last year. he's very late to the race. he's not this washington insider guy or doesn't want to paint himself. he has 10% in the polls. >> there's millions of dollars already. and bernie sanders doesn't get enough credit. he has his revolution and hard core supporters. despite having lived in washington for however many decades. joining me is hailey stevens, who has endorsed michael bloomberg for president. thank you so much for being with us this evening. >> thank you, hi from michigan. >> it's great to see you. my original home state of michigan. explain to us why you believe that bloomberg is a force in this race that is one for good and not necessarily somebody who

represents the further fracturing of an already chaotic contest. >> michigan needs an economic champion in the white house. someone who is going to bring us together, stand up for working families, get an infrastructure deal done. that's mike bloomberg. he's not afraid of tackling tough problems. he's done it in business and government. that's what i'm seeing all over in michigan. he has a real campaign here and we're going to win it. >> do you think mike bloomberg could win michigan in a general election despite the fact that he is a billionaire, he's somebody who is going to face criticisms or attacks along the lines of you bought yourself into this race? >> mike bloomberg is the one talking about protecting people with preexisting conditions, lowering health care costs. he has a proven record and he's

actually speaking to people. i was in one of his brand new offices yesterday and the empowerment was very really. he has the campaign that's energizing people and he's talking about jobs. he's talking about job creation and building off his record as a mayor, as a business leader and that's exciting people in michigan. folks are responding to it. it's long overdue. it's coming from the advanced manufacturing world and campaign got that message and done that work in congress. i want someone i can work with in the white house to get things done with michigan and shared prosperity for all americans. >> why bloom bberg and not bide? >> sure, biden is a remarkable individual.

i have a lot of respect for him and his record of service. mike bloomberg's record of public and private sector, his investment here in michigan, the energy surrounding his campaign, the number of people reaching out to me about what he's doing, we want to defeat donald trump. mike bloomberg is the one to do pa that. he's going to get that done for us. that's what i'm saying. >> congresswoman, thank you so much for your time tonight. thank you all so much for a great conversation here. we have a blockbuster couple days coming up. when we return, my interview with candidate amy klobuchar, after finishing fifth in iowa. more "kasie d.c." live from manchester, after this. "kasie manchester, after this it's time for the ultimate sleep number event on the sleep number 360 smart bed.

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>> oh, those were simpler times. i love that. the footage was 40 years ago here on nbc news. joining me to talk about this great tra signaturdition that's hampshire primary. democratic and our friend brian shactman and primary source his daily show about the new hampshire primarys. to spend some time in the great state of new hampshire. what has chapged here on the ground? >> it's fubny. congratulations on the show and your growing family. i watched primary colors last night because i do that.

the thing is when they have the new hampshire moment and the donut guy says when they find out they are in second, he says we can still win and billy bob thorton, we're still in it. and i think it's the narrative and what's changed since iowa is who has the chance to tell the best narrative. whether it's pete who could win or amy klobuchar who could come in third, they have the chance. they might need it the most because pete is still single digits nationally. so that's what's changed. who might have the chance to change. >> what is your sense here are you backing anyone in this race? >> i'm staying out of it. we need leaders in the party who are going to help pull things back together to make sure we can unite for the fall campaign. i think that's not lost on democrats. the fact that this is a different point in time than before. so you have many people hanging

back assess iing the field and liking the candidates. thot knowing which direction to go in. i think that brings us some volatility to the contest. certainly some would beat expectations. some won't quite get this. and i think new hampshire will have a lot of power to shape the field in the terms of the debate moving forward. >> i have to ask you because we're just a sunday before the primary. we just had breaking news with the actual final results from the iowa caucus, which was a week ago monday. are we going to learn on election night who won new hampshire? >> well, i will know. of course, we'll have the results. we have been doing this for 100 years. people go to the the place they normally vote whether town elections or state elections. it's the same people will check them in and take their ballot. escort them to the booth and put the ballot in the box. these are people who are are

experienced for decades these election positions. every aspect of local, town, state government involved. no mischief in new hampshire. >> president trump trying to make a lot of this. he has a rally coming up tomorrow night. and this was actually a state that was important for him in the 2016 nominating contest. he was very popular here. how do those two things play into each other and does trump have a chance of winning new hampshire in the general election. >> he lost by 3,000 votes and thinks there was a lot of cheating involved. if you want to be honest, it's smart politics. i don't know. i'm down the middle. i still know a lot of new hampshire residents who are the secret trump vote. when the curtain closes, they still support the president. this trump rally, there was an article the other day. people go to the rally because it's a safe space for them to be

with the people that support him without getting ridiculed. if the numbers are huge tomorrow night -- >> but they weren't new hampshire people. they were not new hampshire people. people drive from new jersey. it doesn't count. >> it's true for half the rallies in southern new hampshire. we saw a lot of massachusetts license plates. it's just sort of the way it is. >> i had some trouble finding new hampshire voters. >> i think what's clear is 42% of the voters here are independent, undeclared voters not affiliated with either party. that means they don't have a durable relationship voting one way or the other. so they are in play every couple years. we had a close senate race in 2016. 3,000 votes in the presidential contest. in 2018 voters chose democrats for congress because they wanted checks and balances in washington, d.c. so voters are looking for a real robust discussion on the issues. they don't care about d.c. politics. they don't care about the

personalities. i think democrats would be wise to focus and zero in on the kitchen table issues that voters care most about. >> i'm not sure i agree with you considering we have a former reality television star in the the white house. but i take your point overall. >> it becomes a race about personality. democrats are in trouble. but if this is the 2018 playbook, focus on real results and issues that people care about. that's where we're dpoing to come in. >> with all this confusion about what was going on monday night back in iowa, amy klobuchar walked out on to the stage in prime time and she captured a national audience across basically every network for nine and a half minutes because we had nothing else to talk about or cover. she gained nosational attention again after her debate performance on friday. she pulled in the biggest crowd yet. i caught up with her on the sidelines earlier today. >> you and joe biden basically polling neck and neck at this point. tell me what's your path here going forward?

>> my path is to get everywhere in new hampshire. i'm no longer bolted to my senate desk. i can get out this. i love grass roots campaigning. you see these tremendous turnouts at these events. the debate gave me a big boost. and people are ready to vote for me. we are seeing it with independents. we are seeing it who were previously supporting other candidates. we're certainly seeing it in the endorsements from "the new york times" to the seacoast papers to the union leader. and that makes a big difference here in new hampshire. >> there's a bit of a competition to be not bernie sanders here in new hampshire. to be at the fore font of that moderate lane. why you instead of joe biden or pete buttigieg? >> i think i'm from the midwest. that's not flyover country to me. and i have won. i bring the receipts. i have won in those congressional districts. not once, but over and over and over again.

neither of them are anyone on the stage has that cred. i think it's really important to put a candidate at the top of the ticket who isn't just talking the talk, but actually can bring people with her. i also am someone who have gotten things done in the gridlock of washington, d.c. i think more and more that has become a premium to voters in the democratic party and beyond. they are tired of the noise and the nonsense. i tell them you have a home with me. >> joe biden has been attacking pete buttigieg the last 24 hours saying he's just a mayor. he doesn't have the experience it takes to be president. do you think pete buttigieg has the experience to be president? >> i have head it very clear that while i think he deserve ises to be on that debate stage and is running a strong campaign, i think my experience is better. i think the fact that i have actually won these races matters. he did try running once in indiana statewide and he lost by over 20 points. and that's just a fact. and it doesn't mean that he

isn't a good person or run a strong campaign, but i think we're talking here about taking on donald trump. and the fact that all these newspapers have endorsed me because they have questioned me hard, big time, hour after hour. the fact that we are getting this grass roots movement like no other in new hampshire means something. so that's why i just think i'm the better candidate to lead the ticket. >> so that was my thanks to amy klobuchar for that conversation earlier. brian, you mentioned her possible momentum here in the the closing days. there's a huge chunk of new hampshire voters still undecided. are there enough to lift her into third or even second place? >> i don't think second, but i think third. pete has gained momentum. it's gone back up to double digits. it's brilliant what pete did. she has earned my respect. she's a brilliant politician. think about it. if she gets third, what does that do to joe biden and elizabeth warren?

in some ways i'm more interested in that result than first or second. >> for sure. thank you all. it's great to have you on the show from here. when we return, the night the phone lines went down in new hampshire and the object aretive who went to prison for it. next on "kasie d.c." live from manchester. fpz next on "kasie d.c." live from manchester fp and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams, spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair.com thouwhich is breast cancer metastthat has spreadcer, to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor

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results from iowa, we are also sorting through what went wrong with an app and with the phone lines. internet trolls jammed the lines used to report caucus results after the number was posted on an internet board which left some managers on board for hours. something similar happened here in new hampshire in 2002 when republican operatives jammed phone lines during a get out the vote effort in a competitive senate race. joining me is someone who knows about that night firsthand, alan raymond, he spent three months in a federal prison for his role in that 20 years ago. thank you for being on the program. >> you're welcome. thanks for having he. >> just let's start with the basics here. why is it that somebody could go to prison for something like what happened in this case? what did you do wrong essentially? >> what i was charged with is phone harassment, but that was around an effort to disrupt

election day activities on behalf of democrats in the 2002 senate election in new hampshire. >> so what went through your mind when you heard about what was going on in iowa, that people were on these long hold times, basically a meltdown of the system? >> a couple things. first, there might be an enterprising young operative out there thinking they are doing something clever and i caution them that if that is the case, then they are going to wind up getting thrown under the bus. the other thing i thought was that if it's happening in iowa, the first contest out of the gate, then it requires some diligence going forward into new hampshire and nevada and south carolina, super tuesday ask so forth. for this important reason. elections are republic center of gravity. russia has oil and gas. china has communist party.

we have elections. and so whether it's foreign or domestic bad actors disrupting our elections, they are allowing our opponents around the globe to kind of free ride on these bad actions that bring discord and distrust to our electoral system. >> when you were asked to do this back in 2002, was it kind of a run of the mill routine request like the people asking you to do this did it all the time? >> no, not routine at all. but that's not to say the history of the republic is filled with election shenanigans. and that's a to lite word for it. but it's not routine. nor should it be. this is a precious thing. our republic is a precious th g thing. so anything that whether it be me or some other bad actor does, they are going to, one, regret it, but two, taking a small chunk out of the first downation

that is our republic. here we are where we are and iowa i think lost all credibility going forward as being a place where you can hold a free and fair election. >> certainly, there are some critics who would agree with you on that. quickly before i let you go. there seems to be an increased danger of foreign actor potentially interfering. what would you say? is there a difference between domestic political operatives and foreign actors? >> sure, there's a big difference. but to my point earlier, elections are center of gravity. so domestic bad actor, they are allowing our foreign opponents to free ride on their conduct. if it's a foreign bad actor, it's the same effect. our elections are the hub of power here in the the united states. so anything you do that's going to malign its credibility hurts

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he was one of the the last democrats to jump into the race for president and he's focusing almost ul of his energy here on new hampshire. being here tonight. so obviously the situation here in new hampshire is extremely fluid. a lot of undecided voters. at the same time pete buttigieg getting a lot of energy coming out of iowa. bernie sanders leading the polls. you have been spending a lot of time here, but it hasn't registered yet. why? >> i think it has. if polls decided things in my political career, i never would have been governor the second time. this is about talking to voters, not talking to pollsters and due respect pundits. it is about engaging with individuals and asking them to engage with our campaign and turn it into their own. and, so, i have been here more than any other candidate. we have done over 60 events over

the course of just the last 30 days, engaged with more than 100,000 voters. we are organizing those voters to get them to the polls. i continue to shake hands with people every day. as you have said, so many people are either undecided or unconvinced by some of the other candidates, so there is an opening here. >> what is your strategy going forward if it doesn't work out for you? >> first of all, we have to meet expectations here. people need to know that. voters need to know that. going on, we have a great organization building fast in south carolina where i have also spent more time than other candidates. we have staff in nevada. how much attention and time we devote to nevada will depend on how well we do here. >> what do you think the role is that iowa should play in this process going forward? >> yeah. well, you know, we were talking about that just before going on air. and i feel so badly for iowa.

the state party chairs, the fellow drove barack and me around. he's a wonderful, wonderful guy. you know, i know that there were changes in the process and the rules this time on account of the sort of nonnegotiable demands from some of the campaigns the last time around. but at the end of the day, what matters is the delegates, this whole thing, this whole primary process as a delegate. >> sure. but the momentum at this point also really matters. >> you know, this is a problem, i think. this whole idea of forecasting, this sort of gaming the thing rather than actually engaging the voters everywhere. and making the case for what you want to be as a president, which means, frankly, you have got to represent the folks who support you and the ones who don't. that's been my experience, that i have been able to engage folks who were not necessarily all in on my agenda because i have

showed the respect of coming to them with a view that we don't have to agree on everything before we work together on anything. >> what does it say -- as i was watching the debate on friday, there were obviously conversations about communities of color, what their focus and interest should be. but we're now lacking a candidate of color on stage even though there were many promising folks who threw their hats into the ring. is it a problem that democrats don't have a representative debate stage, a stage that reflects the party. >> it is a problem. the significance of the debates has become outsized. and, frankly, the format of the debates hasn't necessarily been conducive to actually communicating our views with voters. it's been more of a kind of a cage fight, some better than others. i think when we saw that the rules for qualifying to participate in the debates were not producing the kind of outcome that would enable all of

us to make our pitch and let voters decide who should or should not be their chosen nominee, there was an opportunity to reconsider the rules and the party just didn't seize it. that's too bad. >> let's talk about the state of play in this race. the vice president joe biden seems to be potentially having -- i don't -- i don't want to be too dire about it, but let's say attending to his events, talking to his campaign staffers, thing are not here in new hampshire. they're hanging all their hopes on south carolina. does it concern you that there is not a strong alternative to bernie sanders in the party right now? >> i'm a strong alternative to bernie sanders. thank you very much. >> you know, look, the difference between me and the other candidates is that others are talking about things like health care or climate change or job creation in some cases, and i've actually delivered those

results. 99% of the people in massachusetts have health insurance today. we have a national model for responding to climate change. in fact, massachusetts achieved the paris accord goals six years ago. so i know we're focussing on a handful of candidates a lot in this, and that's a problem for me and our campaign, but there is a strong alternative right now and he's sitting in this chair. >> thank you very much for your time. we appreciate it. more kasie dc live in manchester in just a moment. old spice after hours. it whisks sweat away into the night...with jazz. dad, i prefer ultra smooth, it handles sweat without all that...jazz. let's settle this over a game of - don't say it. don't say what? horse. that's my boy.

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welcome back. we are here again with brian. just two days until this primary unfolds. what are you watching? >> i'm watching turn-out. turn-out in iowa was so weak that if it's not stronger, i think democrats should be concerned. >> and who -- i mean, bernie sanders will say over and over again, well, if the turn-out is high, we'll win and if it's low, we won't. i will try to refrain from imitating him. >> it wasn't bad. in terms of energy, i think it will help warren as well. i think this is decision day on warren and she needs to come up big. >> that will do it for us tonight. we will be back with you next week from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. tomorrow live coverage continues from manchester. if in the area, come be a part

of our live audience. we start at 11:00 a.m. eastern. we look forward to having you join us. but for now, good night from manchester, new hampshire. i just think that she was gone. >> she was a bright, young man-to-be. >> she was beautiful. >> confident, strong. >> it was the smile that really got me. >> moving on from a messy divorce, jumping into a new romance. no one could believe it when they found her. >> they're saying it was a homicide. >> then police found something else,