they believe that the public feels like they need a cooling rod in the boiling, hot pot of american politics right now. so while part of it is simply because he doesn't yet have the grass roots enthusiasm that trump does, part of it is also part their strategy. >> the question, can we go back to that or expect the loud twitter feed? >> i'm not sure we can ever go back to that kind of normalcy thank you. reading axios a.m. in a bit. sign up for the newsletter. that does it for us on this monday morning i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside ayman mohyeldin, a special edition of "morning joe" live from new hampshire starts right now. i was on a show this morning, a tv show and somebody says, does it really matter where you get your money from? of course, it matters! [ applause ] >> i don't have a lot of experience winning presidential elections. but based on the limited experience i'm beginning to

gather, this is, i think, what winning feels like. [ cheers ] >> i'll be damned if i'm going to stand by and lose my country, too. period. [ applause ] >> not going to let it happen! >> we have one job in november. beat donald trump. [ cheers ] >> my plan is to build a beautiful blue wall around those states of strong votes of democrats and independents and republicans and make donald trump pay for it. that is my plan. [ applause ] well, they say you don't get a second chance to make a first impression. the presidential candidates doing exactly that here in new hampshire. come on in. we're in the home stretch with just a few hours left before voters cast their ballots in the opening primary of the 2020 race. good morning! and welcome to "morning joe."

live from manchester, new hampshire on this monday february 10th. we have a make or break moment covered on all fronds. the candidates, amy klobuchar, michael bennet. strategists james carville and david plouffe. analysts lawrence o'donnell and al sharpton and reporters. kasie hunt and the ap's jonathan lemire along with joe, willie and me, msnbc contributor mike barnicle. msnbc national affairs analyst and co-host of showtime the "the circus" and editor of the recount, john heilemann and former director of strategic communications for hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, adrienne elrod is here with us. so -- >> all right. >> one day left. >> one day left, mika, and obviously still a lot of movement going on. whether it's bernie, you've got, of course, at the top right now you've got bernie and mayor

people fighting each other. >> yeah. >> of course, you've got sort of second here, if you believe the polls, joe biden and elizabeth warren battles out there but somewhere in the middle amy klobuchar. >> something's happening. >> if you look at some polls, willie that have come out, man, it's -- she has made a late move. >> she has. we've got amy klobuchar on the show this morning. look at that latest "boston globe" tracking poll showing bernie sanders puppi inpullingy from democratic rivals and pete buttigieg and amy klobuchar making a move up five points as joe said after a strong debate performance friday. at 14% with joe biden and elizabeth warren tied at 12%. >> you went to an amy event last night, john heilemann. said it was over 1,000 people. the most intense that she had and i'm having people come up to me, several since we've gotten here saying, watch out for amy. watch out for amy.

>> they're hearing it. >> if you thought about this weekend here, the candidates that really have been on the move have been pete buttigieg and amy klobuchar and both have, all over the state, drawing big crowds. klobuchar last night, this event in nashua, biggest crowd she's had at any campaign event the entire cycle. 1,100 in nashua and it was a high-energy affair. she feels it. up know? she said, i talked to her after. what's different between now and new hampshire? she said, i'm here. in iowa, i was -- >> well, also, they count votes. >> well, that's true. >> in new hampshire. >> this is nice. >> that's true. [ applause ] >> i like it when they do that. >> but she's, you know, retail politician who really felt the pain of being stuck in d.c. for the impeachment thing. now is here on the ground with a real fingertip feel things are going her way and then pete buttigieg in nashua that morning turned out 1,800 people, biggest

crowd in entire new hampshire. the two running around the state with a lot of enthusiasm and moving up. bernie sanders still in the lead but just sort of sitting there at the top. and then you got joe biden on the way down. >> yeah. you know what, i don't know why people are yelling in here but i guarantee you, i do have ten nigtenitis in both ears, so -- and sitting here since 1972. in fact, trying to kick this guy out and it's not working. so, mike, you've been -- here -- at every primary since '72. friends with joe biden for about as long. >> yeah. >> i know we're all talking about who's going to win this thing. >> yeah. >> but, i mean for me personally, look at the long run of the campaign, the question is, whether new hampshire is going to finish joe biden's

political career. he may stumble on to south carolina but if he finishes fifth, fourth, or fifth, boy, it's going to be hard. even if he wins south carolina, he's not going to have the money to go on after that. he's got to still finish first or second, doesn't he? >> here? >> yeah. >> well, that's not going to happen. >> so my necessary question -- thank you for walking right into the that. >> yeah. >> so how does he survive? >> tough, but it's not going to happen. >> how does he survive? absolutely he has to raise money. >> he can't do it. >> going to be very difficult. >> why -- mike, why is there -- this guy, you know, i'll ask y'all as well. >> ask adrienne, too. >> why can't he raise money? why a guy in the game since '74 or so, why is he so incapable of raising money? >> he's not incapable of raising money. he just can't raise the amounts of money online that people like

bernie and elizabeth warren have raised and now amy klobuchar is raising. i think part of it is because of his long years of incumbency. vice president of the united states. you sort of lose touch with the everyday reality how politics and fund-raising has changed. i think that's hurt him a little. hurt his campaign a lot. going on to south carolina he'll have enough money to compete in south carolina. the odds are he will win south carolina. the odds are they will do fairly well in nevada although not at well if held a month ago. he's been damaged by iowa and new hampshire. not so much by iowa, given the fact they still haven't figured out how to count votes. this is different. new hampshire has finally separated from the iowa caucus which is a wonderful thing, because in new hampshire people actually perform democracy. they get out of their homes out of their cars and go and vote. >> right. >> unlike iowa, where you sit there and someone offers you a snicker bar and you move to some

other candidate. >> i don't think it's quite that way, mike, even though that worked for you the one year you became an iowa resident. >> one of those big ones. >> like donald trump, perfection or rejection. just don't do any of that. >> at an event for mayor buttigieg last night, and he's got big crowds, incredible performance. virtual wtie in iowa. gag to our point, the extent people were talking about joe biden. there to support buttigieg. people there to see him members of the press, joe biden where is he going to finish? in third, in fourth, in fifth place potentially and what does that mean for the future of his campaign? this place is about pete buttigieg, bernie sanders, amy klobuchar and elizabeth warren, yes, but joe biden is the backdrop of all this. >> to his credit, he's managed expectations a little more in new hampshire than in iowa. making it clear this is not a state he plans to perform well

in. but i think the big question to pa what mike said, can he raise the funds necessary to stay in the race? and he's not been able to successfully raise that grass roots donations nearly all other front-runners has been able to raise. the question, can he make it to south carolina with the funds raised so far? if he can, he can win south carolina then go into super tuesday with momentum. the next few weeks will be crucial for joe biden, but his campaign has pretty much all but said they don't plan to do well in new hampshire, expecting a fourth or fifth place finish and want to move on. >> the tough thing about joe biden, joe, is that this state is uniquely in a way uniquely made for him to campaign in. it's campaigning in the palm of your hand. >> right. >> you can hit three, four cities in five or six hours traveling. and you go to these events. i was at an event early saturday morning on the west side of manchester. terrific event.

scholarship breakfast for a beloved local high school english teacher, joe sullivan, and the place was packed with teachers, retired teachers, cops, firefighters. >> right. >> it's amazing the number of people who not only like joe biden but want to like joe biden. >> right. >> and are going to end up going with amy/buttigieg. >> where's he been? >> a good question. >> yeah. so i talked to -- several top new york fund-raisers over the past several weeks asking the question, why can't joe raise money? >> uh-huh. >> and they said, even this year his new york fund-raising efforts have been just absolutely terrible, disorganized. so i ask you the same question, because it's going to determine whether joe biden can move forward or not and survive another body blow here as he called it. why hasn't he learned how to raise money? >> i think you'll appreciate

this, having been on the hilt. one of the -- weird curiosities of joe biden's career in the senate was that the two committees he was on for basically his whole career, judiciary committee and foreign relations committee. committees that don't have, have a lot of lobbyist around them. not like the commerce committee or finance committee. if you live on two committees where you don't have a swarm of lobbyists around you through your career, you don't make the kind of contacts in the big dollar donor world that the tax writing committees do or other -- >> but he was vice president of the united states! man -- >> nerve her to raise money as vice president of the united states. sat on the ticket with a guy named barack obama, the biggest fund raise gz diising dynamo. had the same problem in 2008. couldn't raise money then. a historic issue with him. one thing of what mike had to say a second ago about south carolina. he's obviously been dominant in polling in south carolina for a

year. shown throughout a year before any votes were taken he is among this democratic field, the strongest, has had strongest support with african-american voters. whether that is still the case two weeks from now, i don't think anything should make presumptions. no one should assume african-american votes in south carolina are static, stay with joe biden. not saying they're not to, but they are watching this race carefully and there is no more sophisticationed group than african-americans and no group more intent getting reaid of donald trump. watching in iowa, always do, watching what happens in new hampshire as they always do. they'll watch whats in nevada and then make a judgment. so i don't think the biden campaign is or should take for granted any kind of outcome in south carolina. they have to go to south carolina killer and fight for every one of those votes. i wouldn't say anything is set in stoun done down there. >> amy klobuchar raised $3 million since the debate, fyi. over the weekend, the fight

between former mayor pete buttigieg and former vice president joe biden began heating up, biden's campaign released a new video on saturday that contrasts biden's record on national issues, with buttigieg's accomplishments as mayor of south bend, indiana. here's part of that video. >> barack obama called joe biden -- >> the best vice president america's ever had. >> but pete buttigieg doesn't think much of the vice president's record. let's compare. >> when pret obama called on him, joe biden helped lead passage of the affordable care act which gave health care to 20 million people and when parkgoers called on pete buttigieg he gave citizens of south bend colorfully imr ill mu'minated rivers. both former vice president joe biden and pete buttigieg took on fights. threat of nuclear weapons with iran, joe biden helped negotiate. and for pets, lighter license regulators on pet chip scanners

p . we're electing a president. . what you've done matters. >> a tough ad. what do you think? >> a tough ad. i feel he's picked the wrong enemy. again, it's trump. what he's done matters and what he's able to do and connections he has. background and experience he has could bring us back at least to stability. >> what do you think, mike? they're in the same lane right now. joe biden think mayor pete is taking his works. >> i don't think that works at this stage of the campaign given where joe is in the race here. what is surprising, if you go to a number of these rallies and i've been to a number of them over the past month, every weekend i'd come up here. the striking lack of talk -- you hear talk about the nuclear deal. you hear talk about iran. you hear talk about the stock market, you hear talk about income inequality. olive issued mentioned by all the candidates but very little talk about values. how you lead your life. and the way to go to donald

trump to get donald trump, i would submit is you go part of your pitches got to be, think this over. you have one vote. and do you want your children, would you want your children to grow up to be liars and cheats and trimmers? >> hmm. >> that's who trump is. would you want your children -- the values that people would live with on a day-by-day basis, you don't hear them mentioned. >> so biden also on saturday talking to reporters dismissed buttigieg's rise in candidacy. and buttigieg hit back during an interview yesterday morning. >> when you get attacked you've got to respond. i've kept my mouth shut for a long time. i haven't responded at all. at all. but constant, a constant assertion that the problems that we're facing today are somehow because of our administration. that's simply not true. i get it. he's a good guy. he's a great mayor, but guess what? he was a mayor.

>> served for a president who is criticized in this very way. nearly at this very time in the campaign. hillary clinton said barack obama you don't have the experience to be president. he went on to be president. is this a act of debt operation on your campaign? >> oh, come on, man. you think -- this guy's not a barack obama. >> he says, this is his quote "he's no barack obama." >> well, he's right. i'm not. and neither is he. neither is any of us, and this isn't 2008. this is 2020. this is about how we're going to turn the page and deliver a better future in the country. >> it's worth pausing, guys, i think, and acknowledging where in a place, how extraordinary it is the former vice president of the united states out of desperation in new hampshire is attacking the former mayor of south bend, indiana, of 100,000 people. extraordinary place for a campaign to be, but here we are. i think the other thing is, people generally like their mayor. you know?

voted for their mayor, the mayor cuts a sidewalk and a curb and puts lights under the bridge. so what vice president biden is getting at is, you might like pete buttigieg. i like pete buttigieg, but let's look ahead to the general election. can you see pete buttigieg standing on a stage with donald trump? how do you think he stacks up? being the mayor of south bend, indiana? see if these voters behind us agree that they have questions about buttigieg. the polls now suggest, no. they like pete buttigieg. >> this isn't 1960. this isn't 1980. this isn't even 1992 where people want to see races between governors and senators. i mean, we're in a strange, new era. we have, you know -- we've got, of course, a mayor doing very well. won iowa, and you have reality, failed reality tv host in the white house right now. and so people are more open to shaking things up, adrienne. >> yeah. feels like a weird way for joe biden to close his argument here

in new hampshire, because he is certainly taking the tact of being underdog whereas mayor pete is rising high and running line a front-runner. i understand what joe biden's tactic is here, trying to showcase this guy as a small-town mayor who hasn't really done the big stuff he's done. hasn't been in the white house or closed major foreign policy deals but it falls a little flat. you can tell that vice president biden is not super comfortable attacking his opponents. right? >> right. >> it just doesn't feel authentic to joe. just feels like a weird way to close. >> punching down. feels like he's punching down. >> exactly how it felt to me. >> a tone of mockery to that, so out of step with joe biden. one of the things about joe biden, he can chloe a punch and has thrown punches. something about belittling a mayor, just doesn't feel, a. i don't think it will be effective and doesn't feel consonant with who joe biden has been hisser tire career.

throwing an attack on someone, it's got to rhyme with the political character you established over your life and this doesn't. >> you can tell he's not comfortable. >> totally tell that. they put out the ad on saturday. mike and i saw him on saturday at the event where the, that coincided with them putting out that ad and 24 hour its later basically given up the attack and back to doing what he did 48 hours before. giving me speeches not going to attack mayor pete, i'm not going to do it. i don't know if that will work either had him on the downward slide but definitely not comfortable with this attack and it didn't feel right for him and you could see it over the weekend. >> mika, one time have i seen somebody in politics losing a campaign. >> yeah. >> going on a downward trajectory coming out with negative attacks that just seemed desperate, and never once seen where that doesn't backfire against the candidate. it accelerates whatever trends

are already in place. >> put joe biden in a room with any mayor who's talking about their accomplishments, whether fixing street lights or addressing something with the pets or whatever, and joe biden would value that as so important. >> celebrate it. >> celebrate that the, the service. that's who he is. this ad is not who he is. >> yeah. basically, you just want joe biden to stand up and have his campaign. >> do what he does. >> operate under the slogan, how about just being decent. >> yeah. okay. still ahead on "morning joe" a week after the caucuses the democratic party of iowa says it finally knows who won there. >> hallelujah! >> we'll have the latest numbers. plus, an historic night at last night's academy awards. we'll have that. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. i'm bad.

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[ cheers and applause ] come on back in. we're in manchester. that was 2020 candidate michael bloomberg's new ad released over the weekend calling on voters to help bring presidential back, i think that was a good ad. >> interesting. adrienne, i'm hearing from a lot of democrats who aren't necessarily saying, i'm going to vote for mike, but what they're saying is, i kind of like this guy. i like his ads. >> who is he? >> i like what he's doing and i like that he's driving donald trump crazy. [ applause ] which is -- we're about -- we're about to show a poll that shows that he keeps going up. you know, just like trump. oh, he'll never get above 5%. never get above 10%. what republicans said.

bloomberg keeps going up. >> he does. this is the kind of ad i wish we'd seen from joe biden closing new hampshire because it reminds voters he was front-runner at one point and still most electable in his campaign's view and in many american's view to take on trump. that's tlip slipped a little. bloomberg, great he's doing it but not the biden one we played earlier. hearing same about bloomberg all the time and think if joe biden finishes fourth or fifth in new hampshire which looks like it may be happening, more and more people will start turning to mike bloomberg. people are very grateful also to the point you just made, joe, that he is spending money on ads contrasting the democrats with trump. right? he's not get sbook tinto the weh other democratic nominees. he is focussing on trump. democrats are very happy about that we are at a finance disadvantage compared to what president trump is raising. >> not anymore. not with this guy. donald trump can raise a billion, $2 billion.

mike bloomberg he sneezes that that falls out of his back pocket. it's a rounding error, and that actually may be the great equalizer in 2020. >> in this race, yeah. >> let's talk, john -- >> one thing about this. in this state the number of people in this state in iowa i walked up to and said who are you for? they say. who is the democratic nominee do you think? overwhelming number say, oh, bloomberg. >> really? >> even if not the person they're voting for. people are getting in their heads the notion bloomberg is, he's on television so much. it's an interesting undercurrent that people, again, whether for him or not and haven't figured out what they think about him but starting to get a sense, of course, what mike's trying to do with all this advertising, inevitable that mike will eventually become the nominee and partly because of the money. people printer, because they want to be able to beat trump. >> if mike bloomberg could have asked for a better start to the democratic primary. >> no better. >> he could not have imagined

one where iowa's chaos. still don't know who the winner is. they're never going to know who actually won iowa. >> right. >> never. >> never. >> and now you come to new hampshire, and this is a big "if." we don't know what's going to happen. i will say this, joe biden could win tomorrow. i remember in 2008, all of us, and i mean everybody, wrote hillary clinton's obituary in new hampshire in 2008, and she shocked the world and won. so we don't know joe -- joe could win tomorrow. amy could win tomorrow. maybe it's bernie. maybe it's the mayor. we never know. that said, if it continues going in this direction. >> yep. >> amy, jumping up to let's say third, joe down fourth or fifth. bernie winning. i think, it doesn't -- >> and pete dropped back down somehow. >> that helps mike bloomberg immensely. and then having joe biden stumbling into south carolina?

that would be -- a dream scenario for him. >> arld a world where bernie sanders comes out of this primary. if this occurs, bernie sanders wins convincingly and jumbled chaos among moderates is mike's dream scenario. >> look at this poll quick. >> this morning the poll where bernie sanders is top of the pack. this is for the 2020 democratic nomination and national poll. joe biden second. bloomberg is third. interesting. >> at 15%. >> where did that come from? all of these ads? we've got pete buttigieg in fourth and elizabeth warren in fifth. go ahead. >> to that point, mike bloomberg's 15%, what you pick up walking around anecdotally here, or a couple of things glaringly obvious that pop right ow in terms of conversation, and john alluded to one of them. the first thing you pick up is that trump is, gotten himself so far into the heads of democrats

and people who vote democrat. it's overwhelming. >> yeah. >> they are obsessed with him. getting him out of office. the second thing you pick up off of that obsession is, which of these candidates on the ballot here in new hampshire tomorrow could best stand on a stage with donald trump? and the indication you get from more and more people is just viscerally, instinctively think mike bloomberg would drive him crazy. he's richer. he's tougher. he's actually accomplished a whole lot in his life. >> yeah. >> and he would outspend him ten to one. >> ran the biggest city in america. the most powerful city. many would say in the world. most influential. three terms. but you know, willie, again, we don't know what's going to happen but we do know this -- since iowa, we've all got the phone calls. we've all talked to the voters. they are very concerned with the current field right now. >> yes.

>> and they're saying, i mean, how many panic calls -- i can tell you, a lot of panic calls this week. >> oh, yeah. >> from people -- it's funny. a lot of panicked calls and emails and texts from people who have always said in the past, oh, you're a republican. i don't want to hear from you. i said, well, i'm not a republican. i'm an independent. still, you don't know what the democrats need. i heard that for about six months. i'm not hearing that anymore. i got, joe what do we do? what are we going to do? we're in desperate straits. what's going to happen? are we going to win? because there is such -- doing it to everybody. sure they're calling you and everybody. there is just this fear that among the current crop of candidates, there's a fear that there may not be the ability to take down donald trump. >> yeah. you hear it time and again. i heard it a lot last week. particularly because of what happened in iowa. >> right. >> which looked like a big mess to democrats, but also because the president was acquitted on

impeachment and felt emboldened he's going to burn down everything in front of him from here forward. feels he survived impeachment. you do hear bloomberg's name. he made a long-shot bet. sit out the first four states traditionally you had to play in. in case things don't go well, boy, will i be in a good spot super tuesday. staff and money in places democratic candidates haven't thought about playing yet. places like michigan even mississippi. all over the country, but he made this bet and it's shaking out pretty well for him and the key to it is joe biden. if joe biden, the perceived front-runner several months ago, held strong and he was that guy, that mainstream candidate who could win, bloomberg is done. if you see the slide from joe biden finishes fourth or fifth, bloomberg looks like that mainstream guy who could win. >> sure does. and joe, so you know, spent time with mayor bloomberg over the years and know a lot of people close with him. i'm guessing this isn't a

gamble. done some of his own work analyzing the situation. >> right. >> and positioning himself accordi accordingly. >> yeah. and he was concerned before. like a lot of people that joe biden would end up exactly like this. remember, it was several months ago, we were talking about on this show the possibility of -- i talked about quite a bit fund-raisers panicking, joe biden could finish fourth or fifth in new hampshire. we kpo scould see that happenin. i say think, adrienne. so, yes, a trump and bloomberg contest would be fascinating, but i tell you another con test that would be really fascinating inside the democratic party. one of the riches guys in america versus a processed socialist. oh, my god! what? what a democratic primary. that would be, talk to me after. bloomberg. fascinating. if it does end up like that, i

think you'll have a very strong democrat come out of this field. could be amy. could be mayor pete. could be joe still, but what a lineup that would be. >> boy, and people know after super tuesday where things shake out. also i'm looking for if it turns into a bernie sanders versus mike bloomberg fight to the end, i feel somebody else might be in there. is it elizabeth warren jp who can stay in the back ground and be the alternative choice? to the people. there is such a stark difference between bernie sanders and mike bloomberg. right? so you might see somebody else like elizabeth warren stays in the race the next few weeks, raise the money needed, does she come out of super tuesday at the person people look to say, i don't really like bernie i don't really like mike but looking for somebody else in between. elizabeth warren could be that person if she can raise the money to stay in. >> this is her home state, basically. she has, she cannot finish in fourth or fifth place. >> no. >> just like joe biden. i mean, if she's beaten by a senator from minnesota, and

beaten by a guy from vermont and beaten by a mayor from south bend, it looks tough. that may be amy, but tell you, the "new york times" reported, john heilemann, that the trump people are scared to death, and donald trump is scared to death of bloomberg, and they want bernie sanders. i think he can take that with a grain of salt, because hillary wanted trump, and i still -- >> a bad choice. >> i know it sounds crazy. i'm still not so sure that bernie lined up against trump doesn't end up driving donald trump crazy, because he can call out the hypocrisy. and i know we all talk about his personal failings. everybody knew of these personal failings, but what's the biggest lie of donald trump's presidency? what he promised? it was that he was going to be a man for the working class. that he was going to be a man for, for blue collar voters in wisconsin, to new hampshire, out

to oregon. he's lied. he's given tax cuts to the richest multi-national corporations in the world, and i guarantee you, there are a lot of people working behind us that because of the trump tax cut are paying more in taxes than amazon. [ applause ] >> so -- i just say the following things. one, a battle between mike bloomberg and bernie sanders would be incredibly compelling, and would be a really brutal thing for the democratic party to go through, to see, you know, a plutocrat against -- and this would be laid white open for the party and for many months, might turn out to be healthy for the party or really destructive also. the second thing, bernie sanders has become an incredibly consistent tomorrower. saw him in the debate, when people take him on just bounces right off him. he's done a lot of president's debates. very good now. >> can i -- can i ask this

question. >> thank you for saying that. really good. >> i'm a small government conservative. i think ideologically. like, nothing adds up. it's insanity what he's talking about. that's my opinion ideologically, right? >> but -- >> yet, when i see that guy on the stage i look at him like, okay. i like this guy. just like me, and i've got a feeling, okay, you know what? you know what? he'll nerve fer get any of this through but he'll fight for the american people, and then, of course, two seconds later, i snap back and remember -- i'll a small government conservative, but he is such a compelling, the presence and owns the stage when he's on it. >> say, last thing, because it's an important contrast. he's not only really good, like, mike bloomberg was a terrible candidate. like, he's a bad -- he's not good at doing this and they've run this advertising strategy largely to keep him like the "wizard of oz" behind the curtain. there's coming a moment where

mike bloomberg, where he's going to have to step out in front of the curtain. it's possible after all the ad spending and getting lihim to a place he is in poll it's. take a look at this and little mike bloomberg is going to walk out and people will say, that's the guy? really? >> what are you, donald trump jt you're trump. we got to go. mike -- >> look. this city, des moines, iowa, democrats all across the country are wringing their hands over the concept of bernie sanders being the nominee. okay? bernie sanders can't be president. you hear it over and over. who is president today? >> exactly. >> donald trump is president today. >> bernie is not -- >> not only consistent but talking about the one thing, if you scrape everything else away, the one thing that counts this year and every year. the weekly paycheck that people take home. >> tell you what. >> constantly undermined by his own party. >> i was going -- i was, got a new iphone, because my old one went out. >> threw it on the ground really hard. >> mika, that hurts you would

say that. >> it went out. >> it went out. it went out. >> out the window. >> exactly. and so i was scrolling through old, those voice memos and i found a january of 2016 interview with david axelrod. >> hmm. >> and what i was saying is, isn't it funny, david, that no republican thinks trump can win. not one republican. and yet you, david, axelrod, david plouffe, all of the obama people, were going around in january of 2016 saying, watch out for trump. i said who are you more scared of? trump or jeb? he's like, oh, trump. and he -- he -- he like plouffe laid it all out. so, again, that's why i say. when everybody's saying bernie can't win, go back and look at all of these suck-ups to donald trump, all of these people who have shamed themselves, humiliated themselves in front of their children and their

grandchildren and history, go back and listen to what they're saying. i remember old man is sununu yelling at me in the hall old man sununu, john, walking down the hall. decide to be nice. going over to where we, where -- the -- the, whatever you call that, gymnasium. >> armory. >> the armory. and -- i'm a native here, friends. and so, walking past him and i say, hey, governor, good to see ya. how ya doing? doing a lot better if you weren't talking about trump all the time! he's a disgray. screaming at me like five minutes. who, of course, is sucking up to donald trump? we're criticizing him, holding him to account. all of these republicans, donald trump can never win reminding me of all the democrats now saying,

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why, if you are the ceo of a large drug company, or you are are wall street tycoon and giving money to pete or somebody else, why do you think you're doing it? do you think that the person you're giving money to is going to stand up to the corporate elite and fight for a government that represents all of us? i don't think so.

[ applause ] >> 46 past the hour. joining us now, new hampshire democratic party chairman raymond bokly. great to have you on the show this morning. >> you guys got the counting thing down? >> we got it. >> is it going to be okay? >> we'll be better than okay. >> you're not planning on a recount or anything like that, are ya? come on, now. >> you want me to fall off the chair. no. though we have had a long history of very close elections, in new hampshire. by ten votes in '74-75. eve an recount, everything is paper ballots. everything. we go through this. there is not -- >> i love it. >> -- that any voterer should have. anyone that wants to vote will get to vote. >> two words for you. "paper ballots." no apps. >> how prepared are you?

i mean, new hampshire is a swing state in the fall. how prepared are you for possible russian interference? possible interference from china, from iran, from other countries after the past four years? >> well, in many states because their machines and whatnot are attached to the internet is a real concern. we're not attached to anything. we got paper ballots. real, live human beings that look at every single ballot and in many cases have been doing it for decades. so they know exactly what's going on and in each community. so our concern, of course, is the misinformation. >> hmm. >> and the trolls online. >> how bad is that? >> it is horrific. >> wow. >> we really saw that even in iowa, where there was instantly all of these even worse stories than it was coming out and being said. we're working with the republican party as well monitoring what's going on. a rumor or any suggestion that there's something wrong, we've had a great week of working with

the governor, the attorney general, the secretary of state, department of justice, homeland -- state police, we are completely prepared. >> tight. >> there's no -- no question here. >> so, ray, there's a piece in the "atlantic" this month by mckay coppins about the disinformation campaign that is going to be mounted for the fall election and what we're experiencing now is going to look like single a baseball compared to major league baseball with the fall. so how prepared, how do you prepare for just the amount, the volume of misinformation that is going to be fed, is being fed now but going to be fed like a niagara to voters in the fall? how do you prepare for that? >> for instance, if somebody sends out something online that all of these polling stations close two hours early. that's the sort of thing you have to worry about. how do you respond to that? >> we have enough people online that will see it as soon as possible and completely shut it

down saying that is a lie. that's untrue, and you're a russian troll. you are know? i tend to go after them myself on facebook much to the chagrin of my staff. >> good for you. >> i'm not putting up with any bull. the right of an american to vote, have their vote -- >> sacred. >> that's what makes us americans. >> we heard that the trump people were calling in, that it was reported that trump people were calling in to hot lines in iowa trying to jam up the phone lines. are you going to -- >> well, the last time the republicans jammed our phone lines th s they went to prison paid a fine i loved receiving. i don't think they're going to mess with us again. >> let me ask you about turnout. the iowa turnout actually wasn't what people were hoping or expecting. bernie sanders expressed disappointment on "meet the press" yesterday. if this is the election of a lifetime, if this is an existential threat for democrats

that donald trump is in the white house you would expect turnout to be through the roof. what are you expecting here and how do you make sure people come out and actually vote and aren't just online and with hash tags and tweeting about trump? >> i think what we're perhaps seeing is that there is such a commitment to defeat donald trump and there is such an array of candidates, most of which seem pretty -- we saw that poll the other day 69% of new hampshire rather a meteor hit the globe rather than re-elect donald trump. that's how committed folks are. listen, no malt here is the nominee they're going to carry this state, because the people are going to be prepared for that. so we are going to hope that there's a larger turnout, but when you're looking at polls just hours before the polling opens, upwards of 50% haven't really made a decision yet, that's unheard of. fluidity over the years i know

and it's been close. had 10% that might switch. when you're looking to half the voters saying, i mate change my mind. that's pretty amazing. >> all right. new hampshire democratic party chairman, thank you so much for being here. good luck. >> thank you so much. coming up on "morning joe," the new hampshire primary. a jam-packed show ahead. joined by two democratic presidential candidates, senator amy klobuchar and michael bennet and right now, jonathan lemire, seener adviser to move on and senior adviser to president obama david plouffe. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. as a struggling actor,

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corporate donors, and i know that i sound like a bot that has studied human behavior by watching 100 hours of obama speeches. so let's get white obama trending and, please, please, not ironically. thank you. >> i tried to tell you guys, the robots or calling yang game 2020 let's get the schmoney! >> mr. steyer? >> i didn't come here to make friends. but, dammit, i made some great ones. it's been an honor, ladies and gentlemen. >> okay. [ applause ] >> wow. >> all right. come on back in. saddle up to the bar and welcome back to "morning joe." it is monday february 10th. joining joe, willie and me, white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemire who brought his family. his mom's here.

>> yeah! >> right back there. >> right back there. >> hi, mom! all right. adorable. >> and 45 minutes away, massachusetts -- >> awesome. chief public affairs officer for move on and an msnbc contributor kareen jean-pierre is here and dav david plouffe is with us, managed barack obama's 2008 campaign and host of "politicsnation" and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton is with us. >> all right. you know what? rev, i know you were in miami yesterday with trayvon's family and remembering the anniversary of his death. tell us about the day? how's the family doing? >> well, they are strong. they've continued working in the area of dealing with the stand your ground law and other areas in florida with the trayvon

martin foundation, but they have been really grateful that people across the spectrum has supported them in saying we need a fair justice system. one that respects police. it is outrageous someone shot two police in new york saying he hates cops and outrageous to have people on the other side who don't want to hold people accountable and i was honored by them last night, and the biggest applause line i got is when i said, and joe scarborough told me to tell y'all he sends his prayers. so i don't know if they were clapping for the prayers or for joe, but that clapped. >> let me tell you something, i don't believe that, rev, but i'm going to go with it. >> check the tampe! >> talk about what's going on on the ground right now. we've talked first hour about an awful lot about sort of this chaos of iowa leading to possible chaos here. we've got, of course, bernie up

top, but amy's got a late charge. and then you've got joe biden. stumbling possibly to fourth place. again what are your thoughts? >> well, the folks behind you and throughout the state will ultimately decide this, but i think you'd rather be bernie sanders than anybody in the race right now. my big question, does somebody materialize? thought it would be joe biden, as his mown opponent? interesting in iowa, i was surprised buttigieg and klobuchar both got as much bump out of iowa as you would have thought given the results. basically mayor pete is an underdog. everything's got to go new ham recovered. not only do well in places, he's got to win. it's not about thanks for plays you did okay. trying to win the nomination, pete needs a great night tomorrow night. a battle for survival. biden, klobuchar, warren.

go four five, may stay in the race. >> how does warren -- we were talking about biden, but how does elizabeth warren had a great six to nine months, how does she survive the fourth or fifth-plate fini fifth-place finish in what is in effect her home state, home media market? >> difficult. financially. intensity of volunteers. she has that, continues not to perform, she loses that and voters deeping into the calendar. if you're losing, you keep losing. sounds like a simple statement. momentum is a powerful force in presidential politics. if sanders were to win here tomorrow night, listen, i think there's not nudge attention paid to the california primary for this reason. it's on super tuesday. a lot of states. over 400 delegates. not crazy to think if biden limps into super tuesday, if still in the race, warren may or n may not be in. even mayor peete. even with all the bloomberg's money hard to scale that in

california as you see elsewhere. bernie could walk out of california alone with a delegate advantage. hard to give up. the entire calendar new hampshire is directly connected. somebody who performs poorly here tomorrow night will have a very difficult time getting the velocity needed to compete on super tuesday. >> so you could educate all of us and everybody in the national media better than anybody else. >> i don't know about that. >> about the character of are the new hampshire voter, because we were all talking about barack obama winning in 2008. you were there on the ground. new hampshire voters, fiercely independent, decided to tell us all that we were wrong. of course, hillary shocked the world, and beat the future president obama. what is it about the new hampshire voters in all the years you've come here? what is it about new hampshire voters? what do they look for in a candidate? why are they so fiercely independent and wind up surprising media pundits time and time again?

>> thanks for raising that. i really -- >> what a crazy thing. >> i love new hampshire. barack obama carried it twice. spent a lot of time here. even crossing over the border i physically get discomfort. on that. >> funny. >> i do. and as long as i live. >> i get it. >> losing the new hampshire primary is not a place want to be, particularly when you're supposed to win. first of all i think like iowa, despite the problems, voters take this very seriously, because if you're a democrat, i mean, listen, i think a lot of voters come from the same wing of the democratic party i come from. which is, you don't win the election you deserve what comes next. we have to get this right. i think people are struggling with that. [ applause ] >> yeah. >> and so -- by the way, i think that's going to be true in nevada and south carolina, until this becomes clear. like iowa a lot of these folks here in new hampshire get to see the candidates in person, following the race carefully. >> right. >> ewe poll movement since iowa.

believe some of it, not all of it. in for a surprise tomorrow? maybe. bernie sanders is likely to win. >> but there's amy, mrs. pete. >> honestly, biden, klobuchar or warren, it's a battle for third. sneak into second you get rocket fuel heading into the rest of the calendar. >> jonathan lemire went to it mayor pete rally yesterday. what's your takeaway? >> yeah. people around him, advisers say, how things changed in the last week. >> what's changed? >> an energy there. feel they're building off of iowa. sort of split win narrow win there. they feel pretty good. can't be overstated what an und underdog story this is. in the national light a year or so but he's mayor of the fourth largest state, indiana, openly gay. he's 37. gl claimed victory, first or strong second and coalescing as the modern choice as joe biden seems to get wounded and wounded. don't draw too much into omens

yesterday joe biden, press bus, reporters around following the campaign broke down. hotel in new hampshire where the campaign is staying lost power. these are things that if you're superstitious one would are worried about and reports of lack of energy. smaller. they seem like they feel potentially they're going to finish just in a disappointing way tomorrow night. as far as elizabeth warren goes a moment where proximity does not help her unlike bernie sanders seems to benefit from being from a neighboring state. >> why? why? again, this is -- if i'm elizabeth warren, i -- i -- just sitting there wondering, what happened? who pulled the floor out from underneath me? she ran, again, for six to nine months, ran a great campaign. all the blocks and tackling, doing it right. moved up slowly in polls. a perfect build. she got in first place for a couple of days, and some of these national polls, and has

been falling ever since. what do the warren people place this on? >> i think there's a sense they put a number on medicare for all. put a price tag on her proposals something senator sanders hasn't often done and people reactal strongly, negatively to it. warren folks stunned how quickly things fell. not giving up. could be here. a strong organization, remember, she finished third in iowa. senator klobuchar got mow mumen but warren outpaced here. she needs something similar. finish fourth or fifth it would raise questions about her future. >> and heard it here about joe biden. great affection for joe biden within the party. david plouffe knows that very well and people wondering, is he going to finish in third, fourth? team talking fifth place potentially? bernie sanders atop the polls for a long time.

won last time by 22 points. he'll be strong. mayor pete buttigieg, incredible story. but a lot of people talking about joe biden? even at other rallies. >> new hampshire is an interesting state in this fact. they like the underdog. right? we're talking about a primary right now where the republicans don't have a contested primary, because we know that donald trump's going to win it. it's independent. a large group of independents. so we don't know how, where are they going to go? what makes this a little complicated. i agree. this is bernie to lose after winning in 2016. so we may see some surprises tomorrow night, but with joe biden, it is a -- he is in a very difficult place. he has that south carolina firewall. he has to hold on to that, because people are watching, and you can't finish fifth. you can't finish fourth. there's nevada still before south carolina. and it is a tough spot for him. if you are saying when he came

out, he said i am going to beat donald trump. and if you're being beaten by others in the primary, what does that say about your electability and viability? and it is a tough place for him to be in right now. >> reservverend al, done it bef. plans day before new hampshire? >> we'll see a lot riding on this. we're going to see whether buttigieg will even go further in terms of surprising us by getting even a larger vote than is expected, but even if he just remains at number two, certainly that's something no one would have predicted, and i'm grog oio watch where klobuchar is. i think she really defined a different kind of candidacy after the last debate, and i think that we will see whether or not she can compete for that centrist lane going into south carolina. joe biden has a lot to prove, because i think if he take as hit here as he did in iowa, the

electability question becomes something of problematic as he goes into south carolina. this firewall may catch on fire if he keeps coming in four and five, and burn down. >> i was going to ask you about that. ask you about that rev. up know south carolina so well. tell us about that firewall? is it in danger if joe biden finishes in fourth or fifth tonight? >> absolutely. a lot of motivation in south carolina and around the country is they want to see donald trump beaten. i think they love joe biden. have a lot of respect for joe biden, but it's like going to a boxing match. if your guy looks like he can't win the match, you go with the guy that can, and if he gets beaten badly in new hampshire and badly as he was in iowa, people start to raise the questions. and don't forget. you have buttigieg who has a strong military background and a lot of south carolinians are military. everyone has some military in

their family. they're different assets that people are missing when you deal with the south carolina vote. plouffe know s this. i ran in south carolina, double digits. i know that community, that state, have a chapter national network there and they want to see winning the general election, not just who's going to come out of the primaries looking like they were a firewall that delivered for them. >> and but rev, here's a question. say biden's taken off the map. i mean, who can walk into a black church and feel at home? because not really, never been bernie. it's not elizabeth. it's not mayor pete. i mean, i don't -- i don't know how many national action centers you have up in minnesota, but, i don't know if it's amy. like, that's the thing we saw, of course, with barack obama, or bill clinton. you either got it, or you don't have it, and you know it the

second you walk into the church. if not joe biden, who fills that void? >> that's the problem. and that why you have a lot of people question the candidates in this race and taking all kinds of sides. because i would go for a good visitor to the black church, let alone someone that acted like they belong there. a lot of these guys act like they haven't even visited occasionally for a wedding, and it is scary to us and i don't know how you acclimate that in a short period of time. >> so -- willie, a lot of focus on mayor pete. he's too young. he's 37. is there a -- >> he's 38 now. give him credit. >> yeah! happy birthday! whether or not the fact he's gay is an issue, a concern for the black community but a lot of people were following pete know this. they don't think of those things. they think of, i don't know, the five, six languages he speaks. the fact he went to harvard and on to a rhodes scholar in oxford. served our country in

afghanistan working in the navy. you know, the fact he was elected mayor and they look at his background and find him to be incredibly impressive and when he speaks, not disappointed. >> performs every time. first time he came on "morning joe" something about that guy. so good. >> correct. deeply religious. >> and does it every time. at his event last night, he does it every time but has this problem rev is talking about. at 0% with african-american vote. you cannot win the nomination, david plouffe knows were 0% of the vote. >> john kerry at 1% before he went on. >> really? >> barack obama african-american candidate trailed until he won iowa. say a couple things about this. south carolina has always been a oasis for joe biden. issue, walk through the desert getting steeper than they realize and actually soon in the desert in nevada. the question is, he does poorly

here, doesn't do well in south carolina? this is about becoming the nominee. >> what happens three days after south carolina? >> that's the challenge. >> got no money and prove yourself one night in south carolina? >> exactly right. but if joe biden does fall apart completely in this race, how that african-american vote gets distributed in south carolina and after will largely determine who'll our nominee is and if it gets distributed evenly amongst five candidates bernie sanders is going to win. somebody has to become, if they don't want to see bernie sanders be the nominee, they have to become at least the plurality winner and that's a completely open question. i agree with al sharpton. audition time right now, sadly. >> we have to just thank, thank god that biden's in this race, because if he wasn't, we wouldn't have moments like this. take a look. >> i was a democratic caucus, ever been to a caucus? no, you haven't. you're a lying dog faced pony soldier. >> what? did he just call a voter --

>> lying dog face pony soldier. it's a line -- i guess from a john wayne movie many, many, many years ago that he's used before. sort of a -- yeah. an insult? >> not really -- >> i don't think you want to go there. >> yeah, yeah. i don't know if joe should go there. >> anyone with kids, no one aware of that reference. >> no idea what that means. >> one thing if you call him pilgrim. maybe they don't get that, not an insult but dog face lying pone soldier. >> it's a thing. it's joe. >> did barack obama call anybody anything like that? >> no. a famous -- >> you're likable -- >> you don't know what line sends you to the fire or helps. joe alluded to this panic in quarters of the democratic party about what's happening now. particularly last week because iowa was such a mess and donald trump projected strength.

he was acquitted in the impeachment trial. gave a state of the union address. a good jobs number friday. we were all talking about hearing from our friends and people in the party like, uh-oh. this is bad. where are you right now on the state of play in this primary and also contrasted with where donald trump is? >> maybe it was a good week for donald trump. it's not like the berlin wall fell last week or he passed affordable care. literally he didn't get convicted. let's be a little careful -- [ applause ] -- and one poll, gallup poll, traditionally -- >> one poll. >> the guy is sitting there -- >> by the way, gallup poll had mitt romney ahead of barack obama. >> fit the narrative. truth is this. sitting with approval ratings 42% to 45% showing no interest in glowing his political base. i've been part of state of the unions in the white house. come out of that, travel around the country, drop legislation. he's rage tweeting and giving

angry speeches. this guy has the challenge you all know. that said, last week doesn't change my view because of the electoral college and outside strength in states like wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania, ability to register voters, high water markup. tough to beat. what's clear, one of the things you see anxiety from democrats is we don't have what you define as a political savior. don't have somebody who has it all. any of these can beat him or any can lose to him. i believe maybe the most important election in the history of the country. >> yeah. that's right. [ applause ] so -- and it's going to be on all of us, not the candidate, if we choose somebody and that nominee doesn't win, we deserve what comes next. issues, ideas, even inspiration. largely not important if you don't win. people don't see the person who will waltz on the stage and send donald trump packing. this is going to be an absolute

street fight for the presidency. >> you're certainly right. end of the day, all president trump did last week not get acquitted. and people around him feel really good where they are. points at the poll, point to his fund-raising advantage outside of mike bloomberg. the fact he delivered for the most part a lower state of the union speech, followed by the revenge the next day and the president getting rid of he felt were against him. lieutenant colonel vindman and ambassador sondland and so on. they feel in a position of strength look at the other side and see the chaos in iowa. a muddled field not sure who will emerge and he's coming to town tonight, coming to man chaster with a huge rally not too far from here and feel a projection of strength as well. feel like as the democratic party sort of is not in chaos. way too strong, unsettled, say. they feel point to the impeachment outside of mitt

romney, how the republican party is united behind him latched their faith in him lie never before and want to put it on display tonight. an advisers said they'll be here, the city has to shut down, mark it hard to get around on primary eve. not quite time for problems in manchester along the lines, feeling they're in as good as shape moving forward but of course we're many months away from election day and the president shown a habit things are going well, he tends to trip himself up. >> did it last week after state of the union address. rage tweeting about nancy pelosi. fired a lot of people. made a lot of republican senators uncomfortable. sure offended a lot of independents. >> not a day of rest nor work. rage tweeting. i understand all that. listen, sound like an elet establishment thing to say. >> say it! go ahead. you're on "morning joe." >> the "atlantic" magazine an amazing story friday, really good talk about the level to

which they're funding advantage i think great understanding of the digital space and disinformation campaign. a democrat, should add to your concern. again, donald trump sitting there with an economy like this and the truth is the average working person doesn't feel great. why he's vulnerable and i've seen research you see voters don't realize all of the tax cuts have gone to the very top. companies haven't created jobs. we have an intramural fight now. someone will emerge other side and look stronger than any thought and able to take the fight to him. incumbent has advantage. time, money. donald trump's campaign knows wisconsin, arizona, north carolina and florida better than any democrat does now. >> ask you quickly about that advantage. money's always the biggest advantage. and, of course, we're in a time, i guess first time since the earl 1800s where you've had three presidents who have been re-elected and a lot of it i remember bill clinton in 1995,

19 -- late 1995, he started actually campaigning in florida. started running those ads. you guys did it against mitt romney. and in may, before mitt romney even won the nomination. how much of an advantage does a mayor bloomberg, you know, checkbook of $55 billion, if he does keep spending that money whether in the race or not, how much is that level of playing field for democrats this year? >> helps generally. i will say with bloomberg, fascinating, none of us is suggest what will happen. never seen it before. try to skip the first four spend half a billion maybe more. the question is, he has grown numbers through advertising up until about 12, 12 gets you a nice for playing, pat on the back. can he get to 35, 40? we'll see. depends what it's in front of

him.mentumomentum, mayor pete stumbling. bloomberg said no matter who the nominee is, even bernie sanders, he's going to spend a lot. we need that, because trump's advantage, though, isn't just money. to your point. he's trying to define the democratic field. he made that thing, they're going to not let us grow cows or eat steak anymore. we laugh. voters are talking about that out there. this disinformation. he's the master of communicating in the modern world. he just doesn't think about speeches or interviews with papers or tv. or dropping legislation. it's brute force social media communication. and it's so intuitive to him. he understands that. he's going to try to define the democratic field as unacceptable. i know trump people feel good about last week, pretty low bar. this is still with his numbers the democratic party's race to lose. >> i want to turn to something that's really relevant to the

issue of civility, that we talk a lot about here on "morning joe." sort of how the show began and i'm a little nervous because this is so upsetting to me but it's about the threat by snoop dogg to gayle king. he threatened her in a profanity-laced tirade to his 39 million followers. rev's take. first editorial boards and op-ed columnists nationwide for a long time calmed out president trump for his attacks on the press, on journalists and the media. people like gayle king. just a few examples from the philadelphia inquiry, "a war on the press is a war on democracy." it a war not just on the american people but on people throughout the world from nick kristof in the "new york times," "if only president trump denounced neo-nazis as passionately and sincerely as he cast gait igate it's journalist

is mr. trump with incessant demon asian of make news and inflam forecharacterization of news organizations as the enemy of the people who have systematically and dangerously done everything in his power to undermine a free and independent pre press." or publisher were from the "washington post," that truth might not always be what a leader wants to hear but an enormous difference between unfavorable news and fake news. it is wrong to conflate them. doing so is an attack on the truth and it is our, it is corrosive to our democracy. so far the opinion pages, editorial boards, those same papers, have failed to weigh in on snoop dogg's apparent threat against a journalist. >> actually it was a threat. >> gayle king. >> talked about coming to get you. and what he called her. >> you can't even -- repeat that ever. >> and misogynistic attacks

against gayle king we cannot repeat on the air this morning. talking about a female journalist, a black female journalist, and the silence is deafening. >> the post is still up. did another post that was a pathetic walk back. not even worth looking at. we can only find one newspaper with an op-ed criticizing snoop dogg's comments. on saturday bradford william davis and the new york daily news wrote in part "black women in the media are used to being portrayed as the enemies of black men especially with, of those with status or prominence that rivals fronts" enough is enough time to support black women especially when they are just doing their job." reverend al, your take what's happened? issue that led to this is a great debate one can have but it's the threat i am so concerned about, the silence out there a deafening. >> first of all, i think that kobe should not be in any way

memorialized in the heat of threats and misogynist language. i think it is a complete unfair way to put kobe's memorial in this light and the his family to vanessa and his family. this came out of gayle king having an interview with lisa, the wnba legend, and it was a small part of the interview. now, i understand snoop dogg and others anger, because when james brown, the godfather of soul died, like a father to me, i was angry that people kept bringing up his legal problems. but they're journalists and they have the right to do it even if i feel they were wrong to do it. same with michael jackson dieing. but to come with threats and to call her a dog or a b is inexcusable and unacceptable and the only thing equalling that is the silence of many of us that call oursds leelves leaders in

communities says we can disagree but that's a bridge too far. gayle king may disagree and has with me on some issues but she is not a b and she is not a dog and no one should ever think they can touch a hair on her head that many of us won't rise up and say, wait a minute. you are the ones that are enemy of the community. do you know how hard it is to become a gayle king, to fight gender bias and race bias and walk in studios that been invite you or on oprah for that matter? it's hard to be a snoop dogg. come out of the streets. all of us have a hard road to travel and when we start shooting at each other, and when we start getting in the way of doing each other's jobs and threatening each other, and acting like it's acceptable for us to be ugly, because we may disagree on timing, that's when some of us must step up and say, hold it. we need to stop this and stop it now. so you can call me soft or sellout whatever you want to call me, but i'm going to stand up for gayle king on this one. she doesn't deserve that.

[ applause ] >> you know -- god bless you, reverend al for defending a black female journalist, who had her life threatened on instagram and who has called -- just extraordinarily foul things, but let me ask you this question, because -- you know, we -- it happened on thursday. we didn't hear about it until saturday. we were asking friends about it on sunday. and they had not heard that it had happened either. why has there been a media blackout about this? why aren't the "new york times" and the "washington post" and "wall street journal" and all of these people that rightly get offended when donald trump attack as jurnournalist, higwhy they remaining silent now and why are you one. few civil rights leaders, fir r figures stood up and spoken out?

>> one of the reasons i wanted to speak out, because i don't want it to be acceptable in the media that a gayle king who had to achieve so much can be just, is permitted to do that. and i want to say, when snoop dogg has had conversations and has said, wait a minute. i didn't marine it that way, or whatever he is saying, and i understand that dr. dyson that spoke up and van jones trying to, let's sit down and talk and snoop dogg said, let's talk. but the basis of the talk is to first say what is unacceptable. we can talk all night long, but we can never rationalize threats and rationalize misogyny. the conversation can start from there and i understand playing to the crowd. i understand playing to your base community, but you lift them. you do not muddy them, because when you muddy a gayle king you're saying to our young daughters, in the black community, that you can't rise to excellence.

she's at the top of her game and nobody helped her get there, and we cannot scar that, even though we may disagree with some of her judgment, let's not desecrate who she is. >> a media silence deafening. people like katy perry, worked with snoop in the past. people like our dear friend martha stewart, who's working with him now. >> viacom cbs has a show, vh1. >> vh1. will it be renewed? >> no? >> this is -- this is -- it's time for people to speak out. again, let's just keep this very simple, because it is very simple. a black female journalist asked a tough question, in the middle of a wide-ranging interview, and because of that her life was threatened. "we're coming to get you" from a man it must be remembered, who was arrested for murder.

>> arrested 11 times. >> "we're coming to get you" and the "new york times" doesn't right an editorial about this? the "washington post" doesn't write an editorial, the "wall street journal" doesn't, nobody talks about this j? i will say one person who did. susan rice. she said -- i'll say, she said -- >> yeah, yep. >> back the blank off! by the way, that's one person who stood up for a black female journalist. feel like reverend al said. we can't even begin to imagine how hard the road has been for gayle king. >> oh, known her 30 years. >> mika has known her for 30 years. >> mika laid this out very well. we're living in a time where you have the president of the united states not just attacks journalists, which is really horrible, and putting them in dangerous situations. >> that's right. >> but he's constantly attacking black women. whether it is a congresswoman or

someone who steps up and says something against him. he attacks them. and so this is the environment that we live in. as you were talking and this is a moment i actually don't talk about much, but the moment when i was onstage with kamala harris, back in june, during the move-on forum and someone came on to that stage, a man came on to that stage and was a protester coming for her. >> right. >> and i came and got in the middle of that, and the reason why i brought it up is after that moment, the amount of women, black women, women that i heard from who said they've been in that scenario, felt very, very threatened, in moments like that, and no one has stood up for them. and that is kind of the time that we're living. when you are a black woman, women living in this world, in this country, you feel threatened, and no one stands up for you. many times people don't. and so we need to stand up for gayle king. this is not okay. this is not okay to attack a

black woman. a woman. who is doing her job. she's a journalist. she's reporting. this is -- sometimes people bring up things that are very difficult, but to do this, to attack her, it is dangerous. it is scary, but it is something that women, black women in particular, go through all the time, and when you have the commander in chief who's supposed to be about everyone. >> hmm. >> attacking it. >> leading it. >> right. leading it. he's leading it, and we cannot follow that lead. we cannot allow this -- we can't let him change our country. >> and it's why it makes this so important. [ applause ] >> well said. >> and obviously eloquent. i was in touch with gayle friday and saturday as a friend. we know her well. i posted something on saturday morning not, an easy call for me supporting her, and i was

surprised, frankly, at the lack of support i saw in our business. i didn't see a lot of other people in the media who rightly are outraged when members of the media are unsalted by the president, called fake news and all of those things. i was genuinely surprised there wasn't more outpouring for support for gayle king, beloved in our business on the facts of the case come out support her but the other layer one of the most beloved figures in our company is. >> "we are coming to get you." says that of a journalist, who he attacks. and silence. from the media world. >> hmm. thank you for this time. #istandwithgayle. get on it. still ahead on "morning joe," a picture that says 1,000 words. senator amy klobuchar who saw a bump in the polls and a boost in fund-raising after her debate performance on friday. she joins the conversation next on "morning joe." can you heal dry skin in a day?

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i learned what it was like not to have a perfect life. what it's like not to have your dad there or christmas morning. what i've learned from that, number one, resilience. got to pick yourself up no matter what, good quality in a president. [ applause ] all right. welcome back. come on in. this is getting fun. that was senator amy klobuchar speaking about the power of addiction in new hampshire, a state hit hard by the opioid epidemic. the democratic presidential candidate joins us right here, right now. also with is, columnist for the "washington post," great to you have both with us. how are you feeling, amy? >> excellent. excellent! [ applause ] we -- something's happening here. >> yeah. >> and i think a lot of it i've been here.

i think 22 times. but after that debate, something switched, and we had done a lot of hard work to get there but it's allowed the people of new hampshire to see me in a different way. not just my policies but when i was coming from, from my heart. >> also, i've coached football and i coach, i coach baseball now and sometimes i have to go like this to the kids. because they're like -- 11, 12 years old. talking -- over here. hey. right here. hey! you've been doing that to us the whole time. like, hey, over here. over here. >> hello! you guys keep talking about everybody else nlts. >> and now, you guys are kind of focussed. >> exactly. the day before the primary. but whatever. >> when you want. and you don't want it six months before the primary. >> anyway, we have, since the debate, raised over $3 million from regular people online. >> that's pretty good! >> we have been surging in polls and record crowds at all of our

events including people who were supporting other candidates but also people who are independents. >> so why? what's happening? what's happening? >> is it the issues? is it you? >> i think part was i stood up on that stage and i showed how i was different from some of my opponents. maybe one of the most dramatic moments was when george stephanopoulos asked, does anyone have a problem with a socialist leading the democratic ticket and i said, bernie and i are friends, which is true, we came into the senate, but, yeah, i have a problem, but was the only one who said it on the stage. and. >> wow. >> i think that launched a -- thought process in a lot of voters heads. were like, hmm. let me look at her. so i then was able to talk about my different views and one of the practical things where i'm really different here in new hampshire is just my plan for education. a big deal in this state, which is to really connect what's going on with our economy with what's happening in our

education system. we're going to have over 1 million openings for home health care workers and 100,000 for nursing assistants. over 70,000 openings for electricians. not a shortage of sports marketing degrees. someone has one out there. we are going to have a shortage of plumbers. it's looking at funding k-12. focusing on the one and two-year degrees and it's better for our economy and doubling programs. >> sports marketing degrees? >> what? is that what you have? >> i wish! i was -- i was born too early, apparently. my god. >> willie has one. >> i know. i wish i did. wish i did. work for the new york yankees, front office. [ applause ] >> ah, that was -- oh! look at that. >> boo! >> i knew that would go over well in this room. i'm not polling well in new hampshire. >> and a politician, the day before the new hampshire primary. you don't do that. >> and talked a lot about your contrast with bernie sanders. >> yes. >> up in a latest poll in third

place now nipping at heels soon of mayor pete buttigieg. how do you contrast yourself with mayor buttigieg? in other words, in a similar lane not for med cuellicare for an option, won't take away your private insurance. what's the dishfference between you and pete buttigieg on policy? >> my age, 59, the new age, there you go. >> and i'm 32. >> in this field, this is new. second thing, actually gotten things done through the gridlock of washington. passed over 100 bills as a lead democrat. you look at an opponent for donald trump i'd say that is a nice matchup, because he talks and blusters a lot, but hasn't helped people with things like rising pharmaceutical prices or rail to manchester, literally right now you can get better cell service in iceland with all

of its volcanoes and that you can in frankonia notch, new hampshire. one thing that unifies us we want to win and win big and i've won in rural areasish suburban districts every single time including michele bachmann's district, okay. there you go. >> yo2,000 votes separated hilly clinton/donald trump. she won the state, but barely. they want a candidate that can actually bring people with her. >> do you agree with vice preside president biden's concern, put up an ad, a mayor isn't ready to be commander in chief? >> very much i respect mayor pete's experience in the military and respect a lot of people that have experience in small towns. i've got a lot of small towns. new hampshire has a lot of small

towns. i think the added experience. i was in local government as well for eight years. and i think the, as an elected official, but i think the added experience i have is 12 years as a u.s. senator. it is actually passing bills and knowing how to work across the aisle. >> but is a mayor of a 100,000-person town ready to be president of the united states? >> i have always said that everyone on that debate stage would be a better president than president trump. [ applause ] i believe that -- any one -- i think that -- that my experience is very, very important here, and it's also the experience of getting the respect from people across the aisle. look at the endorsement i've gotten in new hampshire. every single newspaper. union leader. keen sentinel and not to mention the "new york times." so, you know, i think that's important. >> karen? >> how much of this opening for

you, too, is the result of -- at least when i go to political events i am finding an extraordinary number of people are understand decided, very, very late in this process. >> uh-huh. >> because they no longer think vice president biden is inevitable. and hasn't that been one of your challenges as well all along? is that there hasn't been enough oxygen for, you know, voters who aren't so far to the left to think they have another option? >> uh-huh. well, i think that has been, for me, i am that person for them. i have always had strong support from independent voters. i get this. i think this election isn't just an economic check, which is what most of our debates are. it's also a decency check on this president. it's a patriotism check. is the decision of people like doug jones of alabama and mitt romney to say, enough. this is not moral. this guy has got to go. to see the former republican

presidential candidate make that decision and then to be in democratic rallies like i was in, i brought it up every rally a was in and everyone cheered mitt romney. the world is a bit upside-down and the reason the world is that way, there's a bunch of people out there especially in this state, that don't agree with everything said on the debate stage. i don't agree with everything that's said on the debate stage, but what they do agree on is that the heart of america is bigger than the heart of this guy in the white house. [ applause ] and so to bring -- >> jonathan. >> following up on that idea, daylight now. the idea joe biden has faded some and compared yourself with pete buttigieg. a shadow, mike bloomberg, not competing in this state but aiming down the road. what sort of threat does he pose to you in that lane and frankly is that what this democratic field needs now?

spending untold amounts of monies trying to woo the same voters you are? >> anyone can run for president. but i truly believe that people look at trump. they look at the guy in the white house. they don't say to themselves, can i get someone richer? i don't think they think like that. you know, they know he went down to mar-a-lago after he signed that tax bill and said to all of his wealthy friends, you just got a lot richer. no one in this room right now was in that room in mar-a-lago. and i think the best contrast to donald trump is someone like me. the midwest is not flyover country to me. i'll be able to say that to donald trump on the debate stage. i live there. the people he's hurting with his trade war, they are not poker chirps in a bankrupt casino to me. they are my friends and my neighbors. my differences with michael bloomberg, i'm the granddaughter of an iron ore daughter, daughter of a teacher and newspaper man first elected from the state of minnesota, a woman, and candidate for president of

the united states and i actually think meb ichael bloomberg shou be on the debate stage and would like to see cory booker and others on the debate stage. if not i would much rather debate he'll on the debate stage than try to outspend him on the airwaves because i am not going to make that one but i can debate him on the debate stage. >> amy klobuchar. thank you so much for being on the show this morning. >> okay. this was great. thank you. >> good luck. we'll be watching. >> okay. tomorrow night. new hampshire! [ applause ] and michael bennet is here. he joins the conversation next on "morning joe."

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welcome back to manchester, new hampshire. joining us now, democratic presidential candidate senator michael bennet of colorado. senator, good morning. good to see you. >> good morning, good morning. nice to see you. >> so you've been traveling around new hampshire quite a bit, an uphill climb for you i'm sure you would concede. but what's the issue you hear again and again? >> i'd say there's three things, and thanks for having me. one is who can beat donald trump. another is how are you going to get anything done in a sense that we haven't been investing in the country. our schools aren't getting better, they're getting worse. our health care system is not getting better. our mental health care is not getting better. our access to addiction treatment isn't what it needs to be. our roads and bridges are crumbling. and there's a real worry about that, i think. >> and so what do you say to those voters to that first question, who can beat donald trump? why is it you and not bernie

sanders or pete buttigieg or amy klobuchar. >> i'm the only person in the race that's won two national elections in a purple state in colorado. if you read "the new york times" this week you saw mitch mcconnell taking a victory lap after the impeachment. and what mitch mcconnell was saying was i didn't withhold documents, i didn't withhold witnesses. they didn't have the votes. and he said they need to win elections. and as much as i can't stand his -- what he's been doing and as much as i wouldn't want anybody i know to be as cynical or malevolent as mitch mcconnell, he's right about that. we have to win elections. we need to win a majority in the senate. we have to do it. and to do that, we've got to win purple states. and i think bernie is well set up to win a democratic primary maybe. i doubt very much that he can win a general election in these purple states. >> speaking of winning elections, tell us about the state of your campaign. if you don't do well here tonight, what happens? >> i think i've got to do well

here tonight. i bet it all in new hampshire. i've been here more than any other candidate. today i'll have i think it's my 90th town hall in new hampshire. and it's been a great privilege. this state is a lot like colorado. we've got mountains. they're not the same, but they're beautiful here. they are beautiful. they are. they really are. but more important than that, this is a state that's a third democratic, third republican and third independent, just like colorado. so i think i need to come in the top three or four in order to go on and hope we'll surprise some people tomorrow. >> democrats have been obsessed for the last year with electability. but until now it's been a really theoretical question. now we have -- we sort of have some election results from iowa. are you finding as you talk to people that they are kind of reassessing what electability really means and what it's going to take to beat donald trump? >> there's no question about it. people are more obsessed with

electability today than they have been throughout the campaign. i think these folks here would back me up. new hampshire is less decided today than new hampshire was six weeks ago. or six months ago or a year ago because they're re-evaluating all of us and saying which one of us can actually beat donald trump and they're really unsure about the answer to that question. >> and they're getting more unsure as the elections -- >> more unsure as the election goes. >> karen, you were saying that, right? you're seeing all these formerly biden supporters now sort of wandering around trying to figure out what to do. >> what really strikes me too in talking to me and again this is anecdotal, but it's not very linear. somebody will say i'm looking at tulsi and buttigieg. it doesn't seem to be philosophical or ideological. >> so, senator, let me ask you this question. i recently spoke with a senator, united states senator, who said if we're a secret ballot and

they had to vote for one person in the senate to run this country, to be president of the united states, that you would get 75%, 80% of the votes in there. forget ideology, just who is best qualified, who would be the best president. 75, 80 votes would go your way. so it begs the question, where's the separation between that from people who know you best and the odd spectacle of campaigning in 2020 in the social media landscape? >> i think that it's kind of somebody to say, unfortunately those aren't the votes that matter for this election. i'm really good at winning the votes that don't matter. but look, you're raising a really important point. there are two elections going on here. there's the living, breathing people in my town halls who basically just want their family to do better. they want their kids to do

better. they're building their businesses, they're building their communities. and then there's this social media primary going on on top of that which literally has nothing to do with everybody's everyday life. there's a fund-raising primary that's going on that has even less to do with it because we know why people are motivated to give online. it has nothing to do with what the concerns are of the people in our town halls. and it really worries me. you should check out ezra klein's new book about why we're so polarized. i'm much more worried about the state of our democracy and it's going to take all of us to rescue this. donald trump is a symptom, he's not the primary cause. if we don't do what we need to do as citizens, there's no assurance this thing will be around for another hundred years. >> completely agree. senator michael bennet, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me on. straight ahead, the legendary james carville joins the conversation.

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if we have the highest voter turnout in new hampshire primary history, i am confident that we are going to win. we're going to set the pace to win in nevada, in south carolina and in california. >> they call for something completely different. i think they call for somebody who is no stranger to elected office and to public service, but to somebody who has not been marinating in washington for quite as long as might be expected of traditional presidential candidates. >> this is a time to stand up, to be bold, to fight for big structure -- >> i am finally unleashed and i can go everywhere. we've been to four dieners this morning. i can barnstorm this state. but i'm asking you to call your friends. i'm asking you to go that extra mile to talk to the people you know at work, to ask them to

turn out for me. >> i've been knocked down a bunch of times in my life like a lot of you have. my dad used to have an expression. it's not whether you get knocked down, it's how quickly you get up. we'll see. we'll see. >> two minutes past the top of the hour. come on in and join us. welcome back to "morning joe." we're in manchester, new hampshire, and joining the conversation we have nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host of "kasie d.c." on msnbc, kasie hunt is with us. the host of msnbc's "the last word," lawrence o'donnell joins us, along with msnbc weekend anchor and contributing editor for the women's news website, alicia menendez is here.

and democratic strategist, james carville. he's endorsed, oh, my god, senator michael bennet for president. nice shirt, james. >> i'm going back home to have some fun. >> okay. we'll try to make your life miserable. >> thank you for being on. >> thank you for being on. lawrence, you've been coming here since '92. >> '92 was my first one. >> you were telling me about how you saw a candidate, and the second you saw that candidate, you knew he had it. i know when we went to iowa in 2008, by the time we got through the concourse and got out the front door and had 30 white republicans telling us they were going to caucus for barack obama, we knew what direction that was going. what's your feel? >> i am completely lost. that big lead in the polls

before there was any testing was about i want to feel safe about who this nominee is in beating donald trump. that safety is gone. so now what is the biden candidacy? and if he's not, where's the safety for the democratic voter. who's the person that guarantees them getting donald trump out of office and i don't know that. >> james carville, you have out of the 20 or so democrats that jumped in this race in the beginning, you had one from the bill clinton side of the party and 19 from the bill bradley side of the party, which means you had one guy, joe biden, who knew how to go into black churches in south carolina and connect. if biden is not in the race, suddenly the whole thing is scrambled and you start asking who can win in south carolina, what can win in other places where you need to connect with

black voters. >> well, first of all, you're exactly right. the african-american vote is central. it's skpconstituency is not a bh of urbanists running around on twitter. i'm serious. and by the way, in a general election, we've got to win north carolina, we've got to win georgia, we've got to win texas, we've got to win places like that. the other thing i would say, and i'll say this just as clearly and directly as i can. the only thing, the only thing between the united states and the abyss is the democratic party. that's it. if we go the way of the british labor party, if we nominate jeremy corbyn -- so i am scared to death, i really am.

i'm waiting and hope these african-american voters in the south, i grew up in louisiana and i know ten times more african-americans than most people i know. they're looking for somebody that can come in and not just excite them but talk about things that really matter to them in everyday life. they're not interested in socialism and revolution and all that stuff you hear. they're interested in somebody that's going to come to them and articulate a vision as to how they fit into this country and what's their relationship and what kind of things the kids do, the health care they receive, the wages they receive. if we lose that, we're going to be the british labor party and be out some theoretical left-wing la la land. the reason i'm for michael bennet, i know given his background and his story, he's able to connect with people. we'd pick up 55 senate seats. i want a big win, but let's see what happens in new hampshire. >> so what exactly are you

afraid of? >> i'm afraid that donald trump is going to get re-elected and i have to do this four more years and i don't think we can make it. i really don't. look at the way people in this country are talking to each other. look at our relationships around the world. look at the fact that the budget deficit is soaring and 3.5% unemployment. the country can't continue like this and it has to have an alternative. i know, joe, you're not a member of the democratic party but you know this as well as i do. that's it. that's the only hope for america. we have to start acting like it and act like a party and have people that have the political skill to deliver a message to deflect a question, to reorient narrative. you realize that donald trump went to davos, switzerland, and talked about cutting medicare? yeah, he did. he did. i don't know why we're not blowing that up sky high. i have no idea. >> i don't understand. james, i have not understood over the past year or so, and

i'm looking for somebody that knows how to fight and i'm just curious why democrats in this field at least, they're playing by marcus of queensbury rules and looking at the twitter instead of pounding somebody's political bones to dust. >> man, you and i -- did i mention the fact that we beat alabama this year? >> oh! >> i just had to do that. >> that's the kind of hatefulness that i respect. you've got to go for the guy's jugular. >> i understand. i understand. the word that i like and respect and have always been proud of is politics. i'm not about a revolution, i'm not an ideologue. politics means building

coalitions. it means listening to people. it means shaping a message that you can do. it means understanding what's going on in america. it means being able to go to an african-american church and give a speech and relate to people and not talk about reparations or any kind of left-wing thing out there. no one seems -- there's a certain part of the democratic party that wants us to be a cult. i'm not interested in being in a cult. i'm 75 years old. i'm just not -- i'm not a very culty person. but i agree with you. you've got to be able to show people what you're going to do. and, you know, so far we'll see. i hope michael bennet gets out of new hampshire. if we get down to south carolina, we're going to make a difference. >> hey, james, it's willie. >> by the way, y'all beat us in basketball and i don't know --

>> we did actually. thank you for helping us break that streak, we appreciate that. james, i hear your argument and you're speaking for a lot of people in the democratic party. but in this state in a poll just this morning between bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, 40% of people in the state of new hampshire like what they hear out of them. they like the idea of medicare for all, they like the case that they're making for the country. so what do you say to that 40% of the voters in new hampshire? >> 40% is not a winning number. that's not a winning number. okay? a winning number is 50%. and that's 40% of the democrats. what about all the independents and what about everything else? come on, can we just count? can we count? if somebody with political skill would explain to the 40% that if you expand obamacare and you do things like that, then they'll like that better. it takes a segue into telling

people what you're about. it's something called political skill. and honestly, it's like we have come to the point where we don't want politics in our lives, we want a revolution. i don't know what it is. but no, i'm not for 40%. i'm for winning. >> so what's -- all right, what's the case to all these fired-up bernie sanders supporters, some of them in this room today, fired up elizabeth warren supporters, big rallies that they have. >> first of all, elizabeth warren i think has the best bio of anybody to run for president in my lifetime and she had the best critique that corruption was killing the country. i don't know why but she decided to chase bernie sanders. i have no idea but that's a decision that she made. some people in this country want a revolution, they want disruption. i don't know, they scream at people, they go and bully people. and i don't know how you win an election at 78 years old screaming in a microphone about a revolution. you've got to give people an

alternative. you've got to give people an alternative. these people are perfectly happy to be jeremy corbyn. they're campaigning and taking pictures and everything. good god, we've got to do something here, people. >> all right. so, kasie, tell me what you've seen on the ground. >> yeah, what are they doing? >> you go from one place to another. and the biden -- we hear time and again a lot of low energy turnouts for joe biden's crowds and just those two words draw a certain parallel to the guy i wanted to win in 2016, jeb bush. >> yeah. i covered jeb bush a lot in new hampshire in 2016. i think it was here he said please clap, which kind of encapsulated -- >> it was a joke. >> i know, but at the same time -- >> wah wah. >> joe biden held the press after iowa and hadn't taken questions from reporters who

followed him in quite some time. i was there. he clearly wanted to send a message that he was ready to fight, to get in there. and the reality is it just hasn't taken hold here. i think that's the challenge for what james carville was talking about and the way that bill clinton won here in 1992, went on to the presidency. kind of the way democrats have viewed how to get into power and start running things. it's falling flat here with the democratic party. you know, for joe biden, i think he just really hasn't proven to be the same person on the campaign trail that he was as vice president with barack obama. >> which is part of why you see klomentum. >> i like that. >> have you copyrighted that yet? >> as soon as i get offset. it's part of why you see people coalescing around mayor pete. when i talk to new hampshire

voters, they want a cyborg candidate. they want to take the best of the candidates and roll them into one candidate and they think that person could beat donald trump but they're not sure who in this field could. and that's problematic for elizabeth warren who tried to make the play to be the unity candidate, who tried to say i can fire up all of these progressives that sanders is firing up, i can bring in moderates who are worried about sanders. the fact that that message hasn't landed for her, and granted her campaign will say we have the infrastructure, we can go the long game, but the fact that it hasn't landed yet is problematic. >> so, lawrence, help me out here because i haven't gotten an answer that's satisfactory to me. everybody has a theory, but for the life of me i'm still trying to figure out how elizabeth warren could do all the blocking and tackling for six to nine months and, yes, i know she put the numbers out on her medicare for all plan, but i find it hard

to believe that she gets into first place finally, puts those numbers out there and then her support collapses just on that. as you and i know, when a campaign collapses, it's like when a plane goes down. any pilot will tell you it's not one thing that happens, it's about ten at the same time. so what's happened with elizabeth warren's campaign? here we are, i mean i'm looking up at the numbers. we're here in basically her home state and she's in fifth place. >> well, let's start with what has been ignored which is actually in a very large field how well she did in iowa. she came in third and she came in a solid third in iowa. but when she was polling very high, when she was at the top of her polling bubble, that was the unreal section of the campaign. that was the shopping section of the campaign. we weren't close to voting at that point in time. >> right. >> so there's a whole different process that takes place. the pete rise had not occurred. he was way down in single digits. and so the field did not stay

stable. if everybody in the field just kept behaving exactly the way they were when she was at the top, she'd still be at the top. >> the other thing here, there's a reason bernie sanders doesn't answer the question when you ask him how much his medicare for all plan is going to cost. there's a reason why he blows through that and why his opponents try to throw that back at him. joe biden is trying to do the same thing. this is unrealistic. it's just not what voters want to hear. hillary clinton ran into this in 2016. when you start to get down to that, and she had some serious stumbles there that i think raised questions in voters' minds. >> specificity is really dangerous in campaigns. pete buttigieg is one of the least specific of candidates. >> it's quite something. >> yesterday the full speech there's one sentence in there that i could actually identify as legislative specificity, but it works. fdr won because he was so vague and unspecific and "the new york times" was complaining, you know, this guy won't tell us

what he really wants to do. well, that's a pretty winning strategy historically. >> and there's the subtext of sexism at play here. you watch her debate performances. she's too aggressive, not aggressive enough. she went on the attack and people don't like her. she didn't attack fiercely enough. so she is up against that reality and up against the anxiety on the part of democratic voters that they are concerned that a woman candidate simply will not fare as well against donald trump. >> were there risks to being the first out of the box. >> yes, for sure. >> you know, it's all about timing. we would take these horrible little polls that would be -- these automatic dial-ups and would dial people throughout our districts in every precinct and there would be four or five people that would actually answer. i would go crazy not just based on the numbers but if it went from four to one to like one to four. i just always obsessed on trend

lines. that's why, james, even though elizabeth did finish in third in a pretty crowded field, you look at trend lines in campaigns and hers has been, unfortunately for her, it's been straight down. i mean it's all about timing, isn't it? >> yeah, it's about timing and she's a brilliant woman. but i don't know her political skill and the ability to see around the corner. look, her corruption critique i thought was brilliant. but once you start answering every question that's thrown at you, you're going to just be in a rabbit hole. lawrence is right, you don't need a 30-point plan. the only thing that matters, let me be very clear here, is winning the presidency, keeping the house and getting the senate. because what will happen is if we do this, we may win the presidency, all right, we may keep the house, but if you don't have the senate, nothing is going to get done and people

will get frustrated and it's going to be the same thing. you won't have a career criminal as president. that's a mighty good improvement. and the diplomatic corps and the epa will be, you know, back on track to not be demoralized. but if you don't acquire power, joe, and if you don't understand that and voters don't understand that and are not told that, this is how you end up. you end up in a debating society. you end up part of a cult. you have to have politics. you have to have political skill. and i hope we come around and understand that as a party. you know, i actually have great faith that the african-american voters in the south are going to straighten this thing out for us, because i know -- they're not into this cockamamie stuff at all. they want real stuff and they're looking for it. somebody goes down there and promotes that and is real, they're going to do quite well. >> all right, james carville, go

tigers! >> go tigers! >> alicia menendez, thank you so much. >> lawrence o'donnell, thank you as well. great to have you guys on. and still ahead on "morning joe" senator lindsey graham appears to address the president directly while talking about rudy giuliani gathering information out of ukraine. plus, some of the biggest moments from last night's academy awards, including brad pitt's message to senate republicans. "morning joe" will be right back. ♪ limu emu & doug [ siren ] give me your hand! i can save you... lots of money with liberty mutual! we customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need!

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>> all right. 25 past the hour. that moment from the 92nd annual academy awards. the film "parasite" made history last night as the first non-english language film to win best picture at the oscars. the film took home four awards, including best director, best international feature film, and best original screenplay. the award for best actor went to joaquin phoenix for the "joker" and renee zellweger won best actress for her portrayal of judy garland. and brad pitt won the oscar for best supporting actor in "once upon a time in hollywood." >> thank you to the academy for this honor of honors. they told me i only have 45 seconds up here, which is 45 seconds more than the senate gave john bolton this week. i'm thinking maybe quentin does a movie about it in the end,

adults do the right thing. >> i love it. >> you know, it was a very moving speech. he talked about his parents taking him to drive-in movies and a really nice moment. but "parasite," man, they swept the awards. you saw the movie. tem us about it. >> it's a great movie. both really dark and really funny. for those of us like mike who don't -- who don't believe in subtitles, it's not going to work because it is a subtitled film. but the rest of you i know are sophisticated enough to be able to follow along. >> wow. >> this just escalated. >> subtitles? >> a little elder abuse there. sorry about that, mike. >> oh, my god! >> whoa! >> geez. >> you better jump in, willie. >> the movie is really, really good, though. and it's because it's about --

the name "parasite" is both literally people living at parasites. there's a kind of -- and also metaphorically. it's the kind of movie that resonates for a lot of people in a certain way in this trump era we're in. you'll see it and think, huh, it makes you think, also makes you laugh and is horrifying levi lent at the very end. >> and it was an upset. "1970" was the favorite going in. another brilliant movie. laura dern also won supporting actress. she's a phenomenal actress. and you've got to be happy for brad pitt. he's sort of been like this tabloid -- his acting had been overshadowed by his personal life. he's a really, really good actor and he proved it in that movie so i was happy to see him win last night. >> and renee zellweger. >> she was phenomenal as judy garland. have you seen that movie? her performance is incredible. >> is it really? fantastic. kasie, would you like to add

anything? >> i thought the dresses were so pretty. >> i just want to say i had a baby last year and so haven't seen any movies. this year was a total wash. coming up, ari melber, shannon pettypiece, mark leibovich all standing by. they join the conversation next on "morning joe" live in manchester, new hampshire. w ham.

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welcome back to "morning joe." we're live in manchester, new hampshire. the conversation continues with kasie hunt, john heilemann, joe, willie, me and mike as well. >> the great mike barnicle. >> so john heilemann, a lot of talk coming out of iowa now. more evidence that a lot of the problems they had out of iowa were trump people deliberately jamming the phone lines. we get reports that they're trying to interfere in south carolina, trying to help bernie. of course donald trump going to be laughing about packing the streets to make it harder for people to get around tonight

because he's going to have this big rally up here. again, it's politics. none of those things that i said are illegal. none of them close to being illegal. but the democrats should be on notice. >> pretty sleazy, though. >> these people are going to do whatever it takes to win and democrats need to be ready and fight back. >> i think the president has -- we've seen incumbent presidents in the past who put their thumb on the scale and have intervened. barack obama in 2012 tried to help rick santorum to give him a chance against mitt romney. people -- incumbents get involved. this is a slightly different thing. i think a lot of mistakes got made in iowa but the notion that the phone lines were jammed when people were trying to call in the results and getting busy signals, it's because trump people had jammed the phone lines. trump is going to be here tonight and do his usual thing but he was in iowa before the caucus. he's planning rallies before every big democratic primary in those states. and then down in south carolina, the word is that they are going to try to get republican voters

down there to cross over, vote in the democratic primary for bernie sanders, because trump people think that sanders would be the easiest opponent. whether they're right about that or not, who knows. but they're taking a very active both very public way with trump giving speeches and below the radar trying to get involved in this democratic primary and push it the direction they want to push it. >> kasie, a "new york times" article said trump people really want bernie and are really scared of bloomberg. >> well, i do think that they're -- the ability of people to prognosticate who is going to be the most electable candidate, i'm not willing to put too much on that. bernie sanders will argue they could beat trump in 2016. i'm not ready to write him off as an opponent against trump. but in south carolina, what effect does boosting bernie sanders have? it also has the effect of undercutting joe biden because that really is kind of his last hope. i mean if you're here with him

in new hampshire, it's pretty clear that things are not going very well. nevada is a big question mark. if they can't perform well in south carolina, that's it. and clearly the trump team has shown that they do not want to run against him. that's kind of been the lesson we've learned of impeachment throughout all of this time. >> yeah, there's so much history, willie, of incumbents making a mistake on who they want to run against. pat brown famously did against a b-list actor in 1966 named ronald reagan. they were funneling money to reagan in the primary because they knew that he was going to be so easy to beat. and the last scene of a great magazine article shows pat brown just stumbling out the front door, never knowing what was going to hit him. the carter white house, 1980, something mika can tell you about. they threw a party celebrating ronald reagan winning the republican nomination because he was so easy to beat in the fall. and just four years ago hillary

clinton -- >> donald trump. >> hillary clinton on "saturday night live" laughing and making a joke about how lucky she was for drawing an opponent as weak as donald trump. >> those moments are haunting now to democrats when they look back on them. that's why the assumption by a lot of people that bernie sanders will be an easy opponent for donald trump is totally off base. we have no idea. >> we don't know nothing. >> wait until we get to a general election, people wishing on the republican side that bernie sanders is the opponent and dreading on the democratic side that bernie sanders is the opponent. let's give it some time. we don't know what's going to happen. and, mike, the president is going to be across the street tonight. he has explicitly said jonathan lemire's reporting they're here because they can jam up traffic in manchester and it makes the media's job harder to get around and the president tweeted this morning he's here to spice things up a little bit because he thinks this primary is too

boring. >> you know, what we're talking about here and what the president will speak about tonight, what all the candidates speak about at their different rallies and different towns and hamlets here in new hampshire points to the obvious. that this is indeed the most important presidential election in the history of this country because everything -- all the distortions that we're talking about, the jammed phone lines, the dishonesty, the corruption within the administration, all of that in a sense through donald john trump unfortunately has been normalized. and people shrug their shoulders now. the most obscene elements of government, the most horrendous things he says and does. oh, that's just trump. no, that's not just trump. that's now us. that's the united states of america. and that's why this vote this year in every state is the most important ballot anyone will

ever cast. up next, senator lindsey graham says the justice department is reviewing information gathered by rudy giuliani, but president trump is calling for a full-blown investigation. >> by the way, mike, lindsey graham of course just makes mike's point there. you've got a guy that's under investigation by the southern district of new york actually -- and they're funneling this guiliani information -- >> to the justice department. >> -- to the justice department. >> we'll talk about that next on "morning joe." ext on "m orning joe."

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attorney general barr. >> this morning. >> this morning. has the department of justice been ordered to investigate the bidens? >> no. the department of justice is receiving information coming out of ukraine. he told me that they have created a process that rudy could give them information and they'll see if it's verified. what i'm trying to say to the president and anybody else that the russians are still up to it. let's look at hunter biden's conflict, let's look at joe biden. >> wait, wait, wait, wait. i'm so confused. so can we get a map out and show lindsey the map and have him tell us the difference between ukraine and russia, all right? maybe that's what pompeo should have done because -- >> he's doing that on purpose. >> i don't know. he could be that stupid. how do you conflate -- willie, i'm very confused. how do you conflate what rudy

giuliani, rudy and lev's magical mystery tour of ukraine over the past year or so. how do you -- it's kind of creepy. lev, having to wipe his face and it wasn't even 6:00 yet. i didn't really understand. >> that was in the space of one sentence. he made a valid point which is that russia is still up to it. he was doing well halfway through the sentence and then he turns to that's why we need to look into hunter biden, which has nothing to do with russia. >> once again sort of getting in there and going against what the intel agencies begged senators not to do, which is to spread the lie that ukraine somehow was interfering with the 2016 election. ari, there's so many things wrong with what lindsey graham just said, just legally. tell us what's the most concerning to you -- >> break it down. >> -- about rudy having a back

channel to roy cohn? >> well, according to "the new york times" rudy giuliani is the subject of an investigation by the justice department in new york. so the only way he should be providing information would be as a potential cooperating -- >> by the way, did he have to get approved by attorney general roy cohn for that investigation? >> no, they shouldn't have to traditionally. >> he's not supposed to. and i believe you're making a reference to attorney general barr. >> no, i'm not. he's donald trump's roy cohn so i'm going to call him roy cohn. >> and i respect your right to do it. >> so are there any safeguards, are there any safeguards if roy cohn does try to kill the investigation in new york of rudy giuliani, can the prosecutors in new york -- are there any safeguards to stop attorney general roy cohn from actually killing the investigation into rudy?

>> i think the premise of your question is as serious as a heart attack which is how did the justice department function independently after these attacks from the president on down on a lawful investigation out of the congress where they may or may not have been waiting to let that finish while they have already indicted mr. parnas. and this recent announcement that contrary to history, attorney general barr, i'm going to call him barr if that's okay on your show. attorney general barr has said that he wants personally more control over investigations that touch on 2020. if mr. guiliani is a 2020 re-election official in some essence, does that give him more power over this investigation? those are all big questions. i would just remind everyone and mr. graham, who has inserted himself in that, in that dramatic clip you played, there is as far as we know an open investigation in new york so no one should be messing with that. mr. guiliani's main way of complying with that would be as a witness, subject or person of

interest, he should be cooperating with the line of investigators. if he's trying to go over theirtheir heads in washington, a, that could be wrong and, b, it could even back fire. >> mark leibovich is here. >> tell us about rudy, all the hats that he's wearing right now and the dangers -- actually the problem that it caused for donald trump. i mean rudy's more responsible for impeachment than any democrat on the hill. >> okay. the key here is the smooth muddling we just saw from lindsey graham. i mean lindsey graham served an incredible purpose for the president of the united states in that, first of all, you've got to think anyone from the white house watching that had to be extremely impressed by him that he said -- >> that he actually tied hunter biden to russian meddling. >> within the space of like one sentence. now, the question is how serious is lindsey graham about this after he gets off tv? is this something he really is going to pursue in his senate

life in his role as the senate judiciary committee chairman? i mean that's a whole other set of questions. but i mean it is stunning and probably very, very effective for the president. >> well, you know, shannon, also we should point out but that wasn't just senator graham popping off giving his interpretation, he said i got off the phone with the attorney general this morning, meaning yesterday morning, and here's what he told me. that he's opened a back channel so rudy can feed him information about the bidens and ukraine. >> right, that they're still at it. the president doesn't just want exoneration, he wants vindication. he feels deeply in his bones that something was done to him that was wrong. that something wrong was done to people around him, and he is not letting it go. he doesn't let things go. he might seem like he's let it go because his advisers tell

him, hey, look at your approval ratings after the past month. you kind of tamped it down on impeachment. you had two trade deal signings, you had a middle east peace plan, you went look what happened to approval, isn't that good. try to keep it going. a day after the impeachment acquittal, he was back at it, i don't see it stopping. it is good for him emotional it seems and good for his base. this is something they feel they were aggrieved and want vindication for. to the point on lindsey graham, does he keep it up in senate life, possibly until paperwork is filed in the primary. >> there are so many attacks from lindsey graham towards donald trump, so many vicious things lindsey spent 2016 saying about donald trump you get the sense that all of this is just to try to protect himself

against the strong primary challenger because again, the quotes are just extraordinary brutal coming from lindsey attacking. >> that puts the entire senate process in relief because ted cruz who was a senate juror said donald trump was a liar who was unfit for office. lindsey graham said he was a race baiting crazy kook. since that time, you have all of the other things that happened in daylight and you have senate jurors. the other important thing about biden stuff, whatever happens to him as potential candidate, the reason donald trump was impeached was because of credible allegations he was trying to abuse government power to get reelected by taking out the bidens. that's the allegation. what was the purpose of this trial and divided country? everyone should remember, we didn't know, no one apparently had guts to say in the senate

republican caucus trump did it and it was bad. the trial forced them to say that. if you believe in truth in the process, americans know that lamar alexander and ben sasse and others said he did that. what's concerning about lindsey graham saying that, barr had previously denied doing anything with ukraine, now lindsey graham put him in a tough spot, was he lying before or is he lying now or is he doing it, to the extent the justice department is pulled into a redo, a terrible domestic see kwal of the foreign ukraine plot, that's a big problem for republican senators that said this is wrong and inappropriate. how much more if the attorney general is in on it. >> thank you for being with us. mark, stay with us, we'll be right back. up next, joe biden defends his electability argument.

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no one won the nomination after finishing out of the top two in iowa or new hampshire, according to polls is where you're headed. you're making an electability pitch if voters from these two states are not saying we want to

elect this guy. why should other voters out there listen? >> because the other voters out there represent a significant portion of american people, they look like america. that's the reason why. >> pretty big applause in new hampshire. >> you're hearing from biden's people that say wait until south carolina, have been saying that's a state that more represents the breakdown, democratic breakdown of the party nationwide. >> final thoughts. >> i don't think they should bury anybody. it will be if joe biden has a bad outcome tomorrow, the question will be will south carolina be the last stand. that will be a hugely important contest for the shape of the race going forward. >> i would say don't sleep on new hampshire. people come into new hampshire a couple of days before they

assume it will happen, a lot of it based on iowa. new hampshire likes to surprise people, especially when it has to do with frontrunners that propose to be done. >> i agree. what do you think? >> i think we got to wait and could be amy's night. never know. things are kind of shuffling around. >> all true about joe biden, we're not writing anybody off, he did say at the start of the debate the other night, i'm not going to win here. he is lowering the bar and expectations. question is if he doesn't do well here after not doing well in iowa, does the alleged fire wall in south carolina hold for him or are voters down there as james cargill suggested watching this play out, have nevada to see, say maybe joe doesn't have it this year and look at the field. >> joe biden shouldn't be counted out, but klobuchar has that moderate lane, seems to be surging at the right time. finally having her moment. and there's pete buttigieg. we saw him last night.

it wasn't a huge venue, but he certainly filled it. he is not the most fiery dynamic speaker, few democrats are outside of senator sanders, contrasting what we'll hear at the president trump rally tonight, but it is a warmth, there's engagement there. he is saying they feel like he is very well positioned to do well and they feel like he is financed enough. >> if you have to put your money on a candidate, are you feeling klo-mentum? >> we learned in 2008 not to predict what new hampshire voters will do. hard to say. one of the difficulties today, john, is that there are so many undecided voters. we heard earlier, more undecided voters than usual, people are still wondering whether joe biden, a vote for joe biden will

be wasted. a lot of fluidity. >> and the great thing about this weekend, a lot of new hampshirites checking him out. still shopping. >> thanks, everyone, for being here. that does it for us. hi there, everyone. i am stephanie ruhle, live in manchester, new hampshire. it is monday, february 10th. we have got a lot to talk about today. just hours away from the first votes being cast here. the top candidates fighting for thousands of undecided and independent voters that could put them in the driver's seat tomorrow night. latest poll has bernie sanders pulling away from the field at 27%. former mayor pete buttigieg at 19%, but he lost a bit