"deadline white house" nicolle wallace begins right now. if you've become num toob trump's autocratic-like conduct, t the worst is yet to come. they enter the sentencing phase for roger stone and mike flynn. the president reaching for the -- whether the rule of law or the military code of conduct, as we know it holds under trump's brazen and jarring public statements is still anyone's guess. the abrupt, mass exodus of four career prosecutors at doj yesterday has prompted calls for attorney general william barr's resignation. they withdrew from the roger stone case after the sentencing recommendations. seven to nine years in prison

were overruled by main doj officials despite they were likely already approved by somebody at doj and the only intervening event between-the four prosecutors turned in their sentencing recommendations for stone and their resignation after being overruled, you guessed it, a tweet from donald j. trump attacking their recommendation. quote, the development immediately prompted questions about whether the justice department was bending to white house pressure. the gulf between the prosecutors and their justice department superiors burst into public view the week before stone was to be sentenced for trying to sabotage an investigation that posed a threat to the president. quote, congradilations to ag barr for taking a charge of a

case that was toetally out of control. even bob mueller lied to congress. fact check. robert mueller didn't lie to congress. of course he didn't. but there is evidence the trump barr wrecking ball has crushed career prau career prosecutors in the sentencing of flynn as well. quote, while they first recmoaned up to six months. now they believe probation would be appropriate. in light of reporting like that, that democrats on the house judiciary committee announced they expect barr to testify before their committee in march and face questions about what they call a concerning pattern of conduct in legal matters relating to the president. and by then, they might even have more to add to their ajendsau. in the last hour, trump notably not ruling on a pardon for his former associate, roger stone. >> i want to say that yet, but i

tell you what, people were hurt viciously and badly by these corrupt people. i want to thank the justice department for seeing this horrible thing. and i didn't speak to him, by the way, so you understand. they saw the horribleness of a nine-year sentence for doing nothing. you have murders and drug addicts for doing nine years to define something nobody can define what he did. >> here at the table nbc and msnbc national affairs analyst from "tpost, and former u.s. attorney chuck rosenberg is here. chuck, i need to start with you. let's just hit pause on a this moment because i don't know, other than the mattis resignati

resignation letter for cause, i don't know if four senior national security or law enforcement official whose have resigned since trump has been there. take me through the impact of the justice department and the people that remain of the four career proskurtecutors who resi from the case and what was described as a very clear statement that he did not want to be a part of the barr justice department anymore. >> highly, highly unusual, nicolle. i can't think of a similar situation in which prosecutors in mass in uniform stepped away from a case. and what's so troubling is not that there was a disagreement. that happens all the time. please understand that. we fight among ourselves, in our offices all the time about the appropriate way to recommend something to a judge or introduce evidence or bring charges. what happened here is that after the prosecutors file their

sentencing memorandum recommending -- by the way, a sentence within the guidelines wholly normal sentence within the guidelines for the judge to consider, they were then asked to do it over, to do it again too, be more lenient based on the president's concern about how his personal friend and protector would be treated in federal court. that's what's so odd about this thing. and i hate the notion these prosecutors were put in a situation they felt they had no choice but to resign. but frankly, i'm proud of them. there are really two choices when you're face would this dilemma. you can abide by an order or resign. and they chose to resign and i think that's the honorable thing for them to do. >> it's suggested that main doj liky checked off on the recommendations. the sentencing guidelines dictate most of this.

not a lot of wiggle room in there. so, when they recommended seven to nine years, one, it was within the guidelines and it was signed off on by main doj. sfrr is there anything other than president's tweet -- i mean, i'm just trying to rule out anything other than political pressure from the president. sglil >> it's entirely possible somebody thought this recommendation was too stringent, too severe. we do argue among ourselves about the appropriate way to dish pence justice. that, by the way, is healthy. i don't know if there was a miscommunication or understanding. the bottom line isnce the president tweeted the case was a miscarriage ofat horribly, it then puts the department in a terrible box and here's why, nicolle. we have to be two things in the department of justice.

we have to be objectively fair and perceived as fair. and so even if the outcome is actually objectively fair and the judge will see to it that it is, there's a perception the judge has put his very large thumb on the scale and that means it won't be perceived as fair. she's in a box too, the federal judge. it will either look like she's capitulating to the president or rebuffing the president. when, in fact, all she's going to do is do what she's always done and be a thoughtful jurist. which is precisely what we want. the damage is in the perception of the outcome. >> we're really careful not to run trump sound unless there's an important reason to do so and the reason today was that he left open the possibility that he'll ultimately pardon roger stone. how would that land? the four prosecutors have already resigned from the department.

but a pardon for roger stone, who was charged, sat trial, found guilty, what signal does that send inside the department? >> if the president is concerned about a miscarriage of justice a pardon would be it. look, they're acts of grace, of presidential grace and always in the past, at least, people have earned them, with a couple of exceptions here and there where presidents issued ill considered pardons and salutations. it's for people who have served their sentence, led a good life since being released from the carceration and earned this grace. so the notion the president would weigh in yet again with a pardon or connotation from mr. stone will be not well received at the department of justice. we understand the plenerary power to issue pardons and

connotations but i think will be deeply, deeply insulting to the men and women, prosecutors and agents who do the work of the department of justice every day across this country. >> carol lee, you've got brand new reporting that broke last night. take us through it. it's about the president and the attorney general getting involved here in the sentencing phase, not just for stone but also for mike flynn. explain. >> reporter: that's right. in our reporting they laid out, basically what they describe as a broader pattern of attorney general barr moving tine take control of legal matters in the justice department that are of personal interest to the president. and they've said this has escalated in the last couple of weeks and point to three specific things. one is the change in the flynn sentencing recommendation. sources told us there was a lot of pressure put on the prosecutors after they filed a

sentencing recommendation in early january. that was -- possible jail time up to six months for him. two weeks later, on january 29th, the government came back and said no, we think probation will be fine for mike flynn. ignore what we said earlier. we're told there's a lot of pressure for that to happen from senior officials at the justice department. and the next day, you saw attorney general barr install a loyalist to him in the u.s. attorney's office in d.c. which handles and oversea as number of cases important to president trump. the flynn case, the roger stone case and then inquiries into what the president sees as adversaries and former fbi director, james comey and former deputy director, andrew mccabe and more recently, as yesterday, we saw what happened with roger stone. so what officials are saying is you take all these things

together and you're seeing a stort of -- an attorney general moving in as power grab to try to get control of cases that typically would be independent of the white house. but in this instance are very important to president trump and he wants to be able to put his thumb on the scale on those. >> i think that what you're saying is so important. i just want to push one level beneath it because your story includes some reporting about the ousted u.s. attorney, that d.c. office, as you said is this offices that's always been the place where the most politically sensitive places land. and for that reason, it's always tried to be -- there's been attempts to buffer it from politics. but there was a very abrupt and opened, i guess t investigation to jim comey and over saw the prosecutions of flynn and stone. talk about what and she was the u.s. attorney in d.c. and she has worked the justice

department on and off for a number of years. and she worked in the trump transition. so, she's not an unknown. she was put in this job and she over saw those cases, as you mentioned. and what we were told is she was very abruptly told to leave, that she was not given notice and that it surprised her and came out of nowhere and then we saw the attorney general put in somebody who's been close to him in her place. and meanwhile, she was the -- in the job while she was waiting for conformation hearing for undersecretary at treasury position, which trump nominated her for and then we learned not only was she pushed out of the job as u.s. attorney but then the president pulled her nomination and she is no longer up for the job at treasury. >> donald trump liked to think in groups of three amigos. he tweeted this. is this the judge that put paul

m manafort in solitary confinement? something not only mobster al cupone had to endure? smearing a federal judge, leaving open the possibility for pardons for roger stone today. look said like he was in the oval office and celebrating his attorney general essentially pushing out four career prosecutors. what kind of day has it been at the white house? sglilts >> it's bayern day where we use this word a lot but we're seeing a president emboldened. getting impeached, even if you do get acquitted is not something that should traditionally embolden you. but that is exactly what we are seeing. even before the senate voted to acquit the president, we had heard early that week talk of what trump allies called a blood letting and a purge and that's exactly what we've seen.

the president is pushing out peopling who he believes have been disloyal to him, are not on his team, and he's doing it brazenly. and so, you even -- chuck was talking before about the president's tweet, roger stone, coming right before a senior justi justice department official superceded the justice department official. the only thing you can say is there was nothing wrong except the appearance of impropriety. and you saw the president congratulating attorney general barr for doing what it was the president wanted him to do. this is not a president trying to be subtle. this is a president who is boldly declaring that he will punish anyone who he has believed has cross said him and checking these people off of a list. >> ashley, i get all of the president's piece.

what i don't get is why is william barr so subservient to him? it seems to go against what i thought his reputation was coming into this post. >> reporter: so, i can't speak to attorney general barr's motivations but i can say the president, three years in, has set up his white house and his administration where he likes to keep people off balance and off kilter and constantly vying to show their subserveiance and loyalty to him. that's one reason that he has all of these acting cabinet secretaries. that's not specifically the case with attorney general barr. but if you look at how the president historically treated st a very clear message that he wants that wts that per publicly loyal to him. that is what he expect in that post.

and anyone taking that job, by the time jeff sessions was pushed out was very clear the set of expectations they were come nothi coming into. and that is how we've seen attorney general barr behaving. >> i asked someone in a republican circles what did we all get wrong about barr? i thought he was someone who cared about what people like -- sort of elegant right-wing conservatives thought about him. but they said what you got wrong is he cares about what people like sean hannity thought about him hp who knew? i guess trump. >> we've had dark days and this feels like one of them. it seems like when the dark days happen somehow, i end up here. >> thank god. >> i've been away for three and a half weeks and i've been a

student of barr since he came, not prior -- he's an establishment airiest and we talked about the incredible exercise of raw power that he committed on behalf of the president when it came to the mueller report and taking that document, mischaracterizing it and understanding how to work the levers of power and how the media works and how to work the combination of law, politics and image to totally transform that moment in a profound way. i've not seen, as i said before on the show, a more ruthlessly effective use of the levers of power than that one. and i think it's scary because what i think is the answer is -- i don't know if he's inthralled with sean hannity or some of the others you mentioned, the more establishmentarianism legal

minds but i think he's inthralled to power and the exer sofz power and that's what he gets off on i think. if you are, for some of these folks-the way you exercise power was previously to be a tweed coat-wearing george herbert walker bush type, that's how you played the game. now it's a different world. the core of it is how do i win? how do i exercise power on behalf of my tribe? i'm not a democrat. i'm not going to be on that side. this winning and ruthlessness in some sense, this is now the way the game plays. there is no moderate establishment alternative that has power in the washington d.c. the power resides with that man, donald trump and i think that's what happened with barr is he's a cumillion and has fit into the

different phases of republicanism over time and just as comfortable in this one as any other getting the job done in order to get the job done. >> let me give you the last word in this conversation. i mean, do you need anyone in leg legal circles that's pleased or impressed with william barr? i still talk to folks very pleased with the supreme court picks. who thought don mcgahn did a very good job trying to judge trump towards the law and order side of walking the line but are just flabbergasted and disgusted by william barr. >> generally i see people who are flabbergasted and disgusted. i was one of the ones early on who welcomed his nomination to the position of attorney general who said i think on your show, that i believed him to be a principaled institutionalest and i said that i was flat out dead wrong. nothing has changed that opinion

of mr. barr for me since he, i think, maligned bob mueller and misrepresented the work of the mueller team. this seems to be more than that. i always thought the canary in thent of justice. we worried their work was being corrupted. but i always thought if it was, they wouldn't stand for it. that it would be a torches and pitch fork moment and that's what we're seeing, not just the resignation by these four, but also what's happening in the office itself. there is utter disgust with what these prosecutors were asked to do. and we take very seriously the notion that someone would interfere in our work in a political sense. all career prosecutors understand that the department is politically led and we make peace with that. but we've not seen that

political leadership interfere in the day-to-day work, particularly on the criminal side. and that canary in the coleman, these four res ugnitions, i think, are a very stark warning about how the political leadership of this department and, frankly, of this nation are now viewed by the department of justice career officials. >> wow. >> going back quickly to one thing ashley said, which is of course no normal president, having been impeached, would be emboldened. and it shows into stark belief the susan collins and these uth fools, he's learned his lesson. i started by saying how dark i thought this moments was. is it illustrates the stakes in a profound way. i think if the president is running for re-election behaving this way. imagine with, what bill barr's help he will do and what political uses in the criminal

and civil realm the justice department will put to a donald trump totally -- to use one of the president's favorite words, horrifying a terrible thought. >> i'm with you. thank you all so much for starting us off. after the break, donald trump's obsession with revenge over his impeachment leads him to target lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, this time suggesting punishment may be in order for the decorated veteran. and where the race stands now with the first two contests behind the shrinking field of party candidates. will the democratic party turn to mike bloomberg? y turn to mike bloomberg?

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and so we sent him on his way to a much different location. general milly has him now. i congratulate general milly and his brother also. so, we'll find out what happened. we'll find out. that's going to be up to the military. we'll have to see. but if you look at what happened, they're going to certainly -- i would imagine, take a look at that. one up to the military but not gallagher? that one. suggesting further action may be need be taken on purple heart

recipient who followed the law by answering and responding to a congressional subpoena. his repeated attacks on vindman are part of a larger phenomenon as, quote, the war between mr. trump and what he calls the deep state has entered a more volatile stage as the president seeks to assert greater control over a government he thinks has greater control over him. in addition to vindman, he also removed ambassador gordon sondland, another official we had testified in the impeachment inquiry, he attacked the judge in the roger stone case, as well as the four doj prosecutors who resigned yesterday. he manipulated the words of his own fbi director to push a conspiracy theory, he withdrew the nomination of former d.c. u.s. attorney for a key treasury department role and expected to

withdraw a recommendation for mccusker. and joining me alease jordan and then in washington, former democratic congresswoman. and the abuse of vindman is jarring, even to people used to the volatility of the president. >> sure. alexander vindman is a combat veteran a recipient of the purple heart. he spent his entire adult life in service to the united states of america. it is not just unseemly, it's deeply, deeply wrong. but we're at the front edge, i think, of a new age with regoar to trump's abuse of power. in the point here isn't just interfering in criminal cases or

interfering in a military justice system with the navy s.e.a.l., gallagher. the issue is we're very close to the why. where the powers of these institutions could very well be unleashed on people who are opponents of the president, people who speak out and assert their first-amendment rights. we are moval nothing to an illiberal era that, frankly, was inconceivable that you could ponder that hatchenippening in united states of america only a few short years ago. and in any person who has any fedealt to the concepts that make this country great, the rule of law, the bill of rights, our freedoms, which have been paid for in blood and sacrifice and our birthright and inheritance. they're in grave danger from this president right now and his party is totally fine with it. his republican congress is absolutely okay with it.

there are no breaks on the trump race card. he sits atop an information system more powerful and unlike anything you've seen in presidential politics. his once silly campaign in trump tower is a juggernaut. sits atop a cash advantage, unprecedented in american political history. and so, the only break on this now is an election in november. and by no means, when you look at the democratic contest, can you say with confidence that donald trump is heading to the field. >> you want to pick that up for us? >> i tell you i think what the president is doing now is deeply concerning to anybody who believes in protechiting our republic. it was one thing the president had already reached into the command structure with navy s.e.a.l. gallagher. he reached in to the appropriations structure by

moving money around to pay for his wall against congressional appropriation. he's defied every aspect of separation of powers. and republicans in the house and particularly the senate sit by. and i actually put this right at the feet of susan collins and republicans in the senate who decided that they wanted to ignore the president's unlawful behavior. and so, what we have now is a president who is completely unleashed. and my fear is that we need come together and i say this as a democrat too, make sure that we nominate something, that someone we can unite behind so that we can defeat this president because it is not clear to me at all that what we are losing under this presidency is recover fbl there is a re-election of donald trump. >> i'm very concerned because

you don't even see the donald trump campaign era of the walkback, where he seemed at least slightly chasenned. you look at when he accused a judge of ruling against him because of his race. when he would make incendiary comments about a muslim ban. during the course of the campaign, he would semitry to correct. he wouldn't apologize, but he at least showed some recognition for correction. the speed at which he has acted over the past six days is pretty impressive for a president, at the slowness of government and donald trump just has completely lost any inhibition about going where no president has dared go before. >> after the break. last night guaranteed three confirmed to the next chance after new hampshire.

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positioned to beat donald trump in november because we can unite our party. >> we just heard from the first two of 50 states, two of them, not all the nation, not half the nation, not a quart orof the nation, not 10%. two. two. all right. where i come from, that's the opening bell, not the closing bell and the fight to end donald trump's presidency is just beginning. >> right now it's anybody's guess and anyone's game. here are the latest results out of new hampshire. bernie sanders has a firm grasp on the frontrunner label for now. but amy klobuchar and buttigieg were right behind him. and ample opportunity for two former frontrunners to catch up. and an opening for mike bloomberg to remain a part of the conversation.

joining our former spokesman. what say you, my friend. >> well, i think elizabeth warren's night ended and one of those people probably should have been dropping out. look, elizabeth warren is from neighboring massachusetts. it's literally a boston suburb. and she got 6%. might as well be massachusetts. salem, new hampshire. she's a senator from the neighboring state. and i think that amy klobuchar's night reminded me of a night i spent with john in 2012 with john huntsman where we had a nice surge the final days from fifth to third and a week later we ran out of money. it feels like a sugar high to me. pete buttigieg is the clear alternative. i think people in new york don't

give the appreciation they deserve for how ridiculously amazing and astounding it is that an out married gay man is leading the delegate race because it's so normal. but eight years ago, this decade both candidates were against it. pete was in the closet, i was in the closet. look at what has happened. >> let me ask you. i have 5,000 questions but i understand we have 20 minutes. why wasn't buttigieg's win in iowa a bigger banner headline? i thought it -- even though it took a few days to find out he won, why was it as big a deal that pete buttigieg won iowa this years a it was that barack obama won 2008? >> one was the iowa caucus debacle and the other he talked about the first half hour in the show and over the past week.

but honestly the third reason is i think people in the media, the media gate keepers, this is old news. and in d.c. and in los angeles, being gay is like not a big deal at all anymore. being gay married at all is not a big deal anymore. but in debuk, iowa, in sioux city, iowa, pete buttigieg won? i think there are a lot of people that don't have married gay role models to whom this was a massive deal. i wouldn't want to compare but for those individuals -- this is astonishing. >> it wasn't the expected outcome. it was as unexpect as obama's. >> in addition to the reason tim said. i think the fact caucuses being a mess and they're not just being a clear, on the night here's the winner. >> or the next night. >> and night after that.

the fact they moved to the system where they reveal the popular vote has allowed bernie sanders to run around saying we won the caucuses because we got the most votes. strictly speaking, it's not true. you need to get your 1991 delegates to win the state. you can make a talking point out of winning the popular vote but i think done an effective job muddying the water. and that along with the state of the union and despite the disparity of how big a deal it is, those things, the trump, the acquittal happening. and the caucuses were a metsz mess and now dual results. all that contributed to not the clear, clean night of the caucuses, this is the winner you need if you're going to get that wave of media attention where

local, international, digital, traditional media all over the world are screaming out "the winner." >> and he's still the delegate leader and people are still talking about amy klobuchar. but he's the delegate leader, an openly gay man, an openly gay mayor of a midicize down and i think it's cultural and political significance getting short tripped. >> he's also upset bernie sanders in both states. bernie sanders should have won iowa running away and new hampshire running away. he's done neither. so pete buttigieg has capitalized on i'm not sure but he's certainly having the greatest impact on the person we thought was the frontrunner. >> is still the frontrunner. he's in very good position, which is why this should be pete's moment because i think bernie is well situated, if

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mike bloomberg is waiting in the wings of the democratic primary in the lack of a dominant frontrunner sets him up to be a force to be reckoned with in the weeks and months to come. some people thought joe biden might be a dominant frontrunner and he's anything but.

you spent some time with him. >> i was with him last night. i thought getting out of new hampshire was a smart move for them in a sense of why stay in new hampshire and get a pie in the face when he can go where his campaign now rests. they've said all along south carolina is their firewall. i don't believe in firewalls. i think the african-american vote that's loyal to joe biden is not static. i think they're seeing his performance. they've been loyal partly because history and partly because they thought he was the best to beat donald trump. and his performance has thrown doubt round that. i think the question now is the argument he made last night at a very modest event in columbia, south carolina is what we're going to hear in the next 17 days. he said, essentially you haven't voted ye voted yet, meaning african-americans. we've had two contestings.

don't let those little white states and the media take away your franchise. don't let the media count me out. and i think there's mileage in that argium. the problem is there are six viable candidates fighting in south carolina. usually there's two people left and maybe a third hanging on the edge. you don't see six candidates. the five we saw last night plus tom steyer all fighting it out. south carolina's never seen anything like that before and it's going to be hard for anybody to have south carolina as a ring nothiing endorsement anybody. >> this show and other shows, that the african-american vote is up for grabs and that mike bloomberg is not out of the running. >> first all of the african-american vote is not a monolith. and i think this race really begins now.

the two states that have gone before, and i love those states, but the fact is they don't even form enough voters to be in the metropolitan washington region. so, the race really begins with south carolina and nevada in a much more diverse population and i think the black vote has to be earned. joe biden has to earn it. and so do these other candidates. and frankly, i think it's important for all their records to be not to test. there are serious questions that have to be answered by mike bloomberg on a deliberate way than he's done this far. pete buttigieg had real questions to ask and to answer you know, his role as mayor of south bend. i think each one of these candidates has to go out and earn the black vote and not just believe that just because they show up an they show up having won first, second or third or

whatever place they finish in new hampshire and iowa gives them a ticket to go further in this campaign. this is going to be a race to the finish and by the time we get -- i'm not worried about that because i think it's important to duke it out in the primaries so that we can have the toughest candidate as a nominee going in to november. >> donna, does amy klobuchar have questions to answer. she struggled along the lines of what you're talking about for pete and bloomberg. >> he certainly does and i think one of the strengths i think that amy brings is that she also has a much more diverse population in minnesota and she needs to start making sure that she has allies and advocates and surrogates out there who speak to her and her record but she's got to answer these questions as do all of the candidates to earn that black vote. >> we have to sneak in a break. pay some breaks.

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polls electability. when you look at the field as constructed right now, there's a reality check coming into the race. the idea of a socialist from vermont to take health insurance away from 150 million people, the same party that couldn't run the iowa caucus app is going to figure all that out. right? not gong to sell in america. right? if you believe that trump is an exigent threat and has to go for the reasons we talked about, who's the strongest candidate? there's one person to bury him in money, put the technology together to do what needs to be done, and that's not true of all the candidates and i think there will be a serious discussion of who can beat donald trump in the future and it is not the case in my view that they stack up equally. this is biden's problem.

democratic voters have said he's not the guy and down to south carolina making the last stand there and will have to show epic toughness, resiliency and be the comeback kid of this election cycle to be the nominee. >> i've never been bullish on joe biden's prospects but i didn't think it would be as bad as it was in those two contests and there isn't -- how do you go to south carolina and you've already -- your case is pretty thin to begin with. >> yeah. >> win over african-american voters and so it's -- >> wholly focused in a lot of cases on electability. >> who's going to be able to defeat donald trump? because we haven't seen recent polling scrambling the field like this, this is a wild card who will be able to build it. >> to be continued. sorry. we have to sneak in a last break.

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