whether ferreted out corruption now, it's zero. there in afghanistan, whatever more salarity, in the water it is, he needs to go through possible by november so the means predators come in, the proper channels. president can fulfill a pledge ohioster crop wiped out. saying we'll be fully withdrawn >> they've got a lot of crooked and the government has sold them from afghanistan. a false bill of goods telling trying to get a deal with the things going, that they're taliban, cover to pull u.s. vicious, that they shouldn't have brought impeachment. >> if a call like that gets you troops out of there. >> the u.s. is in fact having an impeachment i would think you everyone there -- huge tourism, talks with the taliban in doha the nicest people in the would think twice before he did it again. withhold world and we're telling >> my poll numbers are ten as we talk. them it's because of the bp oil >> that does it. points higher because of nbc appreciate it. which reports the news very and i'm yasmin vossoughian, crisis. no, it's climb crisis. alongside ayman mohyeldin, "morning joe" starts right now. inaccurately, probably more the rain has changed. inaccurately than cnn if that's you think he has regret with we follow them north to what he did? possible, like mnsc. >> i think he'll be instructed >> i believe the president has minnesota where too much rain is by what has occurred here. hurting the apple farmers in our learned by this. the president has been state. >> what things the climate crisis in america is impeached. ed that a pretty big lesson rnts real. and if you take a look at nbc, this is a great example of why our show is so important. so many people are listening to among the most dishonest a scientist on tv and they're reporters among the news. carrying a great message, but people tune that out. how about if you tell them that >> a strong -- >> oh, so if you didn't hear coffee beans in 25 years aren't that last part senator lisa going be around. murkowski said, no. cocoa for chocolate since going to be around, wild samon isn't president trump has not changed his behavior.

going to be around. there's no more american "stesh in fact, as writer windsor mann pointed out if the president beds. start telling people that. learned any lesson from his the price of lobster came down the last five years because acquittal that lesson is, it's easier to commit high crimes and misdemeanors in public view to herds of oysters have been avoid all of those annoying heading north seeking colder investigations. water. now seems trump carte blanche in another two years, they're enacted revenge removing those off the coast of canada. who testified, withdrawing nominations, attacking a judge, >> wow. and no coffee. attacking prosecutors, attacking i think people think you're being extreme, but this is the fbi and unleashing the science. >> this is our reality. attorney general to do his dirty like the issues that jose are work. good morning and welcome to out there all the time fighting "morning joe." it is thursday, february 13th. for, it's just trying to get along with joe, willie and me we this story in front of people have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, former aide to the and what is eating america i think is another way to do that. george w. bush and without elise >> it's about being pragmatic to jordan and former government have a president that i don't think is the best friend of the environment just to announce committee oversight kurt that he is committed to plant 3 trillion trees. i don't know if he's going to do bardella and from axios, jim and that, but just to hear those

words from president trump, you have chavandehei and joe, contis to make fools republicans all know that, houston, we have a the way. >> they knew it. trying to cover up they're too afraid to do the right thing because they may lose a couple problem. of points for their approval food can be a solution and showing a possibility. rating. >> you guys, this is great. willie, this is so predictable. >> one other thing, we've said it many times when he's not donald trump gets starts -- here, so we want to say it when he is here. the work you've done in puerto rico, serving almost 4 million meals in the wake of hurricane starts in on ukraine and things that gets his impeached. katrina. rightly impeached. you are a saint for that. >> we arrived in the bahamas 12 wants to call it a fake, his lackeys on television, listen to days before anybody else. 17 islands. my teams are in australia right words of republicans and the sna now helping with the fires, w senate who said what he did is colombia, venezuela, so now we terrible wrong we just don't have a group of chefs that when have the courage to impeach him. something happens, we show up. what happens after this? >> i know we're running out of he news to just full-on once time, but i should point out a again challenging the

independence of the federal naturalized american citizen who judiciary. was born a spanish citizen has he is corrupting the department of justice. in a way that we haven't seen made our country greater because of the work that he's done and since john mitchell was, was the we should be treating all immigrants that way. >> andrew zimmer, jose andres, attorney general for richard milhous nixon. he's telling the military to thank you so much. investigate a war hero, simply "what's eating america" premiers because what that war hero this sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern reported was the truth. we could go through a laundry time. we look forward to it. list of this, but, again, all thank you. up next, the state of new york sued the trump donald trump is doing is hurting administration alleging himself. political receipt abuse for here's a guy can't stand banning a popular travel success, a spate of polls has come out over the past couple of days showing his approval program. governor andrew cuomo joins us next on "morning joe." andrew cs ratings back in the low 40s next on "morning joe." yes. it's the first word of any new discovery. again. and 44% with registered voters. another poll showing him sitting at 43%, 44%. this is a guy, again, he can't stand success. everybody was talking about, oh, his approval rating are at 49%. no. he is a 43% president.

and that's all he will ever be, because he can't handle success. he acts too much like punks that we see on playgrounds. they may be the worst basketball players ever, but you played against them. i played against them in pickup games. they score two points and go down the court acting like they're magic johnson. >> you just described my game. i wasn't playing against them. i was them. yeah. this is -- this is donald trump post-impeachme post-impeachment. the donald trump most expected to see. we've said many times, we've come to expect it from donald trump. it's the people around him who make all of this possible. the senate republicans you just showed that continue to support the president as he tramples on the rule of law and now it's his attorney general and thank goodness for some of these federal prosecutors who stepped

aside from the roger stone, one who left the justice department. these are career people taking a stand and saying you've corrupted the, the legislative branch but not getting to us in the judicial branch. lay out the concerns for the rule of law as president trump celebrates what many see as blatant attack on this country's independent system of justice following the justice department's decision to overrule its own prosecutors in what looks like an effort to help the presidential friend roger stone to a lesser sente e sentence. the pret sident denies this and tweet congratulating the attorney general afterward suggests otherwise. >> they treated roger stone very badly and if you look at the mueller investigations, it was a scam, because it was illegally set up. it's a disgrace and frankly they ought to apologize to a lot of the people whose lives they've

ruined. i want to thank the justice department for seeing this horrible thing, and i didn't speak to him by the way, just so you understand, they saw the horribleness of a nine-year but when allergies attack, the excitement fades. sentence doing nothing. you have murderers and drug allegra helps you say yes with the fastest non-drowsy addicts that don't get nine allergy relief and turning a half hearted yes, years. nine years for doing somebody into an all in yes. nobody can define what he did. allegra. live your life, not your allergies. >> you're concerned about the four prosecutors? >> i'm not concerned about we stood up for the rule of law. for the america we love. anything. ought to go back to school and eight-point-five-million strong banded together to impeach donald j. trump. learn. the way they treated people, nobody should are treated that way. >> considering a pardon? >> i don't want to say that yet, but tell you what, people were president trump has just been impeached on both article one,t hurt viciously and badly by senate republicans voted for a cover-up... these corrupt people. >> all of that, follows all of ...but the american people know the truth. this after impeachment. there is the dismissal of we can stop this corruption. join us at needtovote.com lieutenant colonel alexander vindman and the suggestion he because now...we need to vote. should be prosecuted. need to impeach is responsible for the content of this advertising. firing of former ambassador gordon sondland, the withdrawn treasury nomination of the former u.s. attorney who oversaw stone's prosecution and the false claim that bob mueller

lied to congress. also this morning, the "new york times'"'s peter bakers reports more axes are sure to fall writing, "a key national security council official is said by colleagues to face dismissal. in the last of the dozens of career officials transferred out of the white house, may be gone by the end of the week." welcome back to "morning so kurt bardella, the president joe." rainy day in new york city. of the united states is getting president trump is expected to exactly what he hoped for, a meet with new york's democratic government and not just the governor cuomo to discuss a executive branch but the federal ban on state residents legislative branch and applying for expedited traveler potentially the judicial branch programs like global entry. as the justice department at the ban follows the state's least led by attorney general green light law which allows barr completely controlled by undocumented immigrants to one man. obtain driver's licenses. him. >> the justice department now is his own personal law firm to use earlier, new york attorney general filed a lawsuit against to inflict revenge on his the trump administration which claims it is retaliating against enemies and adversaries. the state for protecting what we're seeing is incredibly immigrants' information in the disturbing. federal database. seen systemically here, first here's what a spokesman for the white house had to say about the annihilating checks and balances upcoming meeting. with the executive branch, >> the fact is he wants the american people safe. denying subpoenas, instructing the people of new york city, especially understand what it

people not to cooperate. means to have people come into now left off by republicans, this country without the proper documentation after 9/11, so i seen him instruct the attorney general to go easy on his guys hope that governor cuomo can and after his adversaries. work with the president to come one of the most dangerous things forth with some type of solution going on and sets the stakes for that allows the federal what we're up against in 2020. government to do its main function which is protect all this election in 2020 is so much americans and their families. more about whether you're left, >> and governor andrew cuomo right, conservative, liberal, joins us from albany, new york. like health care or gun control governor, good to see you. is so much deeper because the i'll begin by letting you entire stakes of our democracy respond to the white house is at play. there. >> yeah. if this is trump running for this is not about safety. re-election, politicians usually on their best behavior? good morning, will. it is not about safety. if the white house, if imagine what he'll be like if he department of homeland security has nothing to ever run for thinks they need access to our database to run this trusted again? >> and branches staffed up and traveler program, i told them some voids that are at this point dangerous. they can have it. thanks to those republicans for i have no problem with them creating this situation. looking at the database for we're finally hearing from former white house chief of trusted traveler program people. staff john kelly. sounding off on president trump but that's not what it's about, as the "atlantic" reports, the willie. it is about retaliation. retired general explained in the it is about their political opinion. clearest terms yet his it is about punishing states

misgivings with trump's behavior that don't agree with them. what's shocking here is it is regarding north korea, not supposition, supposition. immigration and ukraine. speaking last night at drew there's a memo that leaked from university, kelly said that department of homeland security lieutenant colonel alexander that was published by buzzfeed vindman was simply following the training he'd received as a which says exactly that, and soldier. "he did exactly what we teach department of homeland security said it is their memo, said we them to do, from cradle to have to punish states that don't grave." kelly added, "we teach them agree with us. punish is their word. don't follow in a legal order. and this is what happens when an ever given one you will raise it administration believes they're above the law. to whoever gives it to you and this is what happened with then you tell your boss." ukraine, this is what happened joe? >> yeah, well, don't follow an with vindman, this is what happened with roger stone. illegal order and thank you to general kelly for telling the their politics come first and truth. that's where we are now in 2020. law means nothing. you can't punish new yorkers, we actually commend officials hundreds of thousands of new yorkers to play politics. and former officials for just that's not how it works. >> governor, you're saying the telling the truth and telling federal government can now americans what we've always access state motor vehicle known. what we once knew, that officers records, you would agree to in the military should not that? >> yeah, what they're saying, i follow illegal orders. already agreed to it, willie. vindman being drummed out of the what they're saying is well, we

have to kick these new yorkers off the trusted traveler program white house and being, being because we toedon't have the ri recommended for prosecution by a data, want to access the commander in chief who, by the department of motor vehicle way, decided to pardon war database. really what they want is undocumented people in our database to give to i.c.e. criminals, that -- that has done that's what they really want. unspeakable things, in the name they're offended that we give of the american military, but licenses to undocumented drivers because we want to keep our here we have a real hero. people safe on the road, so >> yeah and his twin brother. they're punishing new york, new >> yeah. jersey, california, king county who refused to follow an illegal in washington state, all who had order. you know, it's so interesting the audacity to disagree that he did that, elise jordan, politically and give undocumented people driver's and you had republicans saying he was a hero. licenses. >> governor, joe scarborough liz cheney talking how here. it is up to individual states to lieutenant colonel vindman give driver's licenses to should never be disparaged, illegal immigrants, for policy because he was an american hero. reasons they can do that. you had even -- people like you can understand why the department of homeland security might not want to allow illegal lindsey graham telling donald trump he shouldn't get involved in the judicial process. immigrants into a trusted

the way he has in this roger traveler program. that's very specific to american stone process. of course, donald trump's not going to listen to that. citizens that they feel they can remember when he was going to fire gordon sondland? give expedited screening through you had all of these republican senators who had just voted to the tsa process. is there a way to strike a acquit donald trump of compromise where american citizens can be part of that program if they're from new york impeachable offenses, offenses state but illegal immigrants are he said, that actually he not in that trusted traveler committed going and asking, don't fire sondland. program? donald trump didn't listen. >> joe, it has the semblance of and so he's run over all of these senators, because the only credibility, their argument, but one that has shown he'll stand it doesn't have substance of up and actually act like a credibility. how the trusted traveler program works is a person goes in person patriotic american when that for a federal interview. means staring down the president the federal government does a of the united states has been background check. mitt romney. the federal government, fbi, has the rest has just been shameful, all of the criminal records of the state of new york. and so he runs over them and we there is no undocumented person find ourselves where we are who is going for an in person interview before the federal right now. with judicial independence at government. put that aside. i said to them anyone that comes risk. >> it's staggering that it's from new york for a trusted only been a week since donald

trump was acquitted and you go traveler program interview, we'll give you the data we have, through the litany of things of course. no undocumented person should be he's done just in that week. a trusted traveler. vindman, sondland, the roger that's resolved, but that's not what it is about. they have a memo, joe, that says stone case. he attacked the fbi director. they want to punish states that he is so empowered. give undocumented people their he had the best week he had ever had and literally goes on a licenses and they want i.c.e. to spree, a rampage, of testing the have that data. that's the political position. norms and the boundaries of rule when you say of course states have the right, they're saying of law, and imagine what he's no, states don't have the right. doing behind the scenes and saying in foreign leader calls ironic for republicans that that we don't even know. argued states' rights all those i guess now he is feeling years. but they don't have a right. confident that he's vanquished we think it is a political joe biden and got away with issue. we want make political hay out pursuing his banana republic aid of it, and we're going to punish you. their word is punish. for political intelligence did you ever read that in the law or the constitution trade, but we don't even know the half of it at this point. anywhere, the federal government shall punish states that they >> that is for sure. >> you know, mike barnicle, i do don't agree with? want to follow-up on something >> elise jordan, a judge, will

that elise said. be looking at that, and determining whether this is i agree with everything they based on policy or punitive said but talked about donald actions. >> governor, do you concede the trump vanquishes joe biden. a twitter back and forth when i point that for the trusted congratulated the president for traveler program to be effective getting himself impeached over a fifth place measure in new that the federal government that is going to be vetting people hampshire and a lot of people said, you know, it's probably who are applying, that they need what donald trump did that caused joe biden to finish so access to new york state dmv poorly in iowa and new hampshire. i actually brought up a tweet records, and you're saying -- >> yes, 100%. that i sent out on november the 1st of last year. yes, 100%. i said that to the acting and just reported what i had secretary. heard from biden fund-raisers, >> then what is this all about that even in october, before all if you're giving the data yet of this blew up, they were new yorkers are still going to be punished, is this going to be concerned about joe biden having a fourth-place finish in iowa resolved where you have an and new hampshire and being out appointment at global entry today as a new yorker, you're of money by the end of the year. able to be part of the program. donald trump didn't cause joe >> yeah. biden's problems in iowa and new that's my question for the hampshire. the calendar did. meeting today. i gave you what you asked for. the predominantly white states to the extent it is a legitimate

by a guy who's most of his issue, which is what your question points to, new york support comes, the base of his state will give the data for support, comes from black anyone that applies for ttp. voters. so this whole idea that somehow i agree. i agree. i give up. donald trump has caused joe i agree. biden's poor finishes is a they still insist on stopping fantasy. this guy bet on the fifth-place the ttp. horse, and in iowa and new this is not my supposition, hampshire and got himself there's a memo, document from department of homeland security impeached over it. >> yeah. that says we must punish these i think joe would agree with you, with that november tweet, states. the next day they sue new jersey, california, king county, but clearly the impact of the and they kick new york out of the program. this is about their politics. continued assaults on hunter biden and burisma with joe biden the former vice president linked to it did some damage to his there's no logical governmental candidacy. you could pick that up point. >> governor, should be an interesting meeting. we'll see what happens. >> always is. anecdotally, joe. to the larger point you've been >> thank you very much. talking about, all of us have on the topic of new york, talked about, donald trump's behavior over the past week, michael bloomberg and donald trump are engaged in a very kurt raised the issue. nasty, very personal fight on imagine what he will be like a twitter right now with dualing year from now if re-elected? totally unbound. attacks about height and net

jim vandehei, last night general worth. it is clear the former mayor has the president's attention. and that does it for us. kelly's comments at the university where he was stephanie ruhle picks up speaking, here's one quote on coverage now. hi there, i am stephanie alexander vindman. ruhle. thursday, february 13th. he was tantamount to hearing an and there's a lot happening this illegal order, and kelly praised morning. president trump on the war path him for doing what he did. today, just 8 days after being he indicated on ed gallagher, acquitted on two articles of the navy s.e.a.l. who donald impeachment by the senate he is trump basically pardoned that it spending time targeting his enemies and advocating on behalf was the wrong thing to do for of long time ally roger stone. the president, and that he, kelly, may have been able to by appearing to pressure the change his mind if he, kelly, john kelly, was still in the chief of staff's office. it raises the question, now that justice deputy to the president of the united states seemingly has narcot ichi narcotisides the country with a fire hose of stories every day, who do democrats do to run

against them? >> i think that's a great question. two parts to it. one, any republican who thought trump was going to change was either being dishonest or totally delusional. talk to anyone around trump, jared kushner and others, they feel more invincible than ever. what he's done this last week was totally predictable and you'll see more of it not less of it. they feel stronger than ever. the way you run against them, there is a weakness there. there is a concern deep inside the white house that, why is it when 65% of the people like the economy, why is it when you have joblessness so low that he continues to poll where joe said, around somewhere in the mid-40s. on paper, despite democrats angst, he actually looks more beatable than you would think from these conversations with democrats. national polls, state polls. in all of them, trump's not doing well. he looks like a pretty weak incumbent president.

>> why do you think that 44%, this seemingly unmovable 44% number, why do you think that's the case? >> going back to that gallup poll, highest number. 49%. 1% of people don't have an opinion on him. name a person in your life who doesn't have an opinion of him? love him or hate him. nobody is in the middle. love him is around 44%, 45% and hasn't budged up despite the fact a lot of things he said at the beginning of the state of the union speech in terms of stats were accurate. a million things to point to, whether because of him or not are going really well in the country but he's not benefiting from that. the question comes down to the question democrats are having which is electability. could a socialist beat trump? i don't know. maybe. the establishment is in full panic because they think sanders will blow factor is bloomberg. remember, not only is he spending the money on himself. all on himself right now, but he has said if he doesn't get the

nomination, probably more likely than not he doesn't, he's going to put that money into defeating trump. if he turns that $2 billion into $3 billion or $4 billion, that's a decisive advantage for democrats to offset the early start that trump has gotten. so i think this raises much more fluid than democratic angst suggests. >> jim vandehei, thanks for -- go ahead, joe. >> i'm sorry. i wanted to follow-up with jim. jim, you know, i couldn't agree with you more. there has been, as joe lockhart said a lot of bed-wetting over of the past month or two. i don't really understand where it's coming from only because you look at the numbers. you and i have been in this business long enough to know, a guy who sits at 43% all the time, he's on the wrong side. the wrong side of history. that's not a guy who wins a lot of elections. i remember people asking, leading up to the 2018 election, how's it going to go?

can democrats take over the house? it's going to go great. he's a 41%, 42%, t. yeah, but, he's sending troops to the border, talking about leprosy. he's a 42%, 43% guy because of that. you look at new hampshire. they had a turnout that was better tuesday night than in 2008 when barack obama and hillary clinton were running for the nomination. this is not a democratic party that should be as petrified as they are right now, if you just look at the numbers. and the trend lines, and how this guy won in 2016, when, jim, he told me personally the election could have been on ten nights. he would have lost nine of them, but it just happened to fall on the one night that he could be elected president of the united states. >> and throw into that the pact if you look at state polls in

the swing states, even bernie sanders does really well against him. and people say, well, people don't know about his policies. most people paying attention to politics know that bernie sanders is a socialist, stands for medicare for all, stands for open borders, for wiping away education debt and that would lead to massive deficits and have real economic consequences yet he still beats trump in national polls. still does well against trump in swing states, which suggests -- doesn't mean trump will lose. just he's more vulnerable than he certainly should be given data around him and nor vulnerable to use your term, the bed-wetting democrats might think, and that doesn't mean who the nominee is doesn't matter. i certainly get by establishment democrats are worried about sanders but the data doesn't necessarily support their concern. specifically about sanders. >> jim, thank you so much. and still ahead on "morning joe," if you saw our show yesterday you probably heard our

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25 past the hour. joining us now host of msnbc "politicsnation" and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. great to you have with us. rapper snoop dogg is offering an apology to journalist gayle king following backlash over his comments appearing to, well, he did threaten the cbs "this morning" anchor for asking questions about the late kobe bryant's 2003 rape case, in an interview with wnba star lisa leslie. >> two wrongs don't make no right. we do wrong, that affects.

with that being said, gayle king, i publicly tore you down by coming at you in a derogatory manner based off emotions me being angry as questions that you asked overreacted, should have handled it way different than that. i was raised way better than that. so i would like to apologize to you publicly for the language that i used in calling you a name and just being disrespectful. i didn't mean for it to be like that. i was just expressing myself for a friend that wasn't here to defend himself. a lot of people look up to me, love me and appreciate me and i want to let them know, anytime you mess up, it's okay to fix it, man up and say that you wrong. i apologize. hopefully we can sit down and talk privately. have a good day. >> joe, you go first. >> so -- yeah. well, listen, i -- it was pretty straightforward apology, a complete apology. i thought it was a complete

apolo apology. i know you have a slightly different take on it, but, you know, i think -- i think we, we all screw up. we all mess up, and when we do, we need to step forward and the part of that apology, i mean, he said he overreacted. he apologized fully. he was being disrespectful and said he needed to "man up" and apologize. he did. the best part when he said they needed to get together and talk privately, which i'm sure at some point they will, though i'm sure this is still very, very raw for gayle. she's been through hell over the past week and i know has to be disillusioned by people she thought were friends who sat by and said absolutely nothing. i know she has tos disillusioned, by newspapers like the "new york times" and others who claim to be such champions of journalistic

freedom and protecting journalists. they talked about protecting journalists worldwide but don't even protect one down the street when her life is threatened? it's very strange this conspiracy of silence to protect and defend a black female journalist. i -- i'm ready to move past snoop and what he said. i'm far more focused on this complete dereliction of duty by opinion writers, by media figures, by leaders, both black and white, who have refused to step forward and speak truth to power. we have one of the few on this set, who have, and that's, of course, reverend al. what do you think, mika? >> i don't think those folks are off the hook just because snoop delivered this -- >> they're not. >> -- so-called apology. an apology in some ways and wasn't in others and here's

why -- fir of all, quite a turnaround. okay? from what he put out there and it took a week. problematic. when you've done something wrong you know it right away and get right out there and do not give excuses for it. his first line gave an excuse. two wrongs don't make a right? let me explain why that's problematic. he left gayle hanging in an area that's quite important to all of this, which i'll let the rev talk about. two wrongs don't make a right? no. that's not okay. and that kind of undermines the entire apology. the other thing is, you know, you have to wonder why it took a week. what is it that made him think for a week about this before coming out with this? and what he did when he tore gayle down and threatened her with a profanity-laced tirade is he divided people and he knew he was doing that, ginning up division. it's not a good, not a good look at all.

so i think he's going to need to do more. i think it's a good start. but a lot needs to happen before this really is, quite frankly in a place of peace. >> now, well, i'm sure -- i'm sure gayle feels the way you do right now. i'm sure she's still very raw about this. i do know that we have a president who refuses to apologize at all times. who refuses to ever admit he makes mistakes and i think, rev, when you have somebody stepping forward and saying they need to "man up" and apologize, and say that they are sorry, and they behaved poorly, you know, i think we need to accept that apolo apology. of course, it's up to gayle -- >> i agree with that. >> -- to personally accept that apology but we need to slooalut people who make mistakes.

we've all made terrible mistakes and in the end it's all about grace and hopefully snoop and gayle can get together and he can offer words to her and she can provide grace back to him, but for now, i'm just glad this example was sent out to the 39 million, 40 million people that follow snoop on instagram. >> it was important, because it sets a cultural tone that you do not have to be engaged in threats and misogyny. i think beyond gayle and snoop, what concerned me was the message it was sending to a lot of people that listen to snoop and that are impacted by him. and i think that they got a real education, and i hope this is a teaching moment that snoop will use to say to them, it is not the manly thing to do to call women out there name and to threaten women and journalists for what they say. if he said he felt it was inappropriate or harmful the way she conducted the interview,

whether you or i agree with that or not, he had the right to say that, but to humanize her and use massage ninist terms and threaten her was wrong. glad you stood up for gayle. i didn't stand up gore faillfor. i stood up for my daughters, for people everywhere. gayle doesn't need me to stand up for her. there are older people and people around this country that i march for, should not be called out their name and we act like it's so right and so happy it was validated and supported by snoop and just like we took snoop on we ought to give him his props and praise him for standing up and hopefully use this as a teaching moment to many of his fans that to man up means to really be a man and to be a man is to not disrespect women. >> yeah. i just -- i just want to follow-up with what you said, rev, and talk about what he

warde from kareem, shean pierre, two very talented black professional women worried about the example this was setting, and, al, i don't -- maybe you can help explain, because i don't understand why major media outlets, why organizations, why politicians, why white and black politicians remained silent while a black female journalist had her life threatened, and was -- was the victim of misogynistic attacks, simply for asking a question, which, again, you're right. we can have that debate. we should have the debate. listen, we didn't bring that up the morning after he died, when we did kobe coverage. maybe we would six months from now when talking about his legacy with something like mike

lupica. we didn't do it. you can have that debate. talk about the conspiracy of silence? why did people who always so fiercely speak out against attacks against the media were just silent and refused to lift their heads out of the sand on this? >> i wish i could help you with that. it is inexcusable. because you're dealing with a top-rate journalist that was threatened and that was the victim of a misogynist attack and they said nothing. and i think that they have to really explain that to themselves. i said to some of the people at the office yesterday, i understand i've been controversial all my career. in civil rights you're going to be there. not saying something if it was me. but gayle king? gayle king is like top tier a-list journalist, not controversial and you're not going to say anything about gayle king? but that's why you have women's movements and lgbtq movements

and civil rights movements and people like me, because we speak when other people are silent and force them to say something. >> this is when you step up. >> that's when you step up. and that's why we become controversial because we'll say what those safe people won't say. >> that's right. still ahead, michael bloomberg has hit third places in a series of national polls -- thank you, rev -- now finding himself at a few centers of controversies. first a stop and frisk policy and now feeling the heat over comments he made at the height of the financial crisis. we're talk about how it could impact his candidacy, next on "morning joe." any comments doug?

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election? >> i'm not trying to buy the election. we've been at this for ten weeks, and the best ways to communicate in ten weeks is through something like mass media, through television and social media, and the other people that are running ask been doibeen -- have been doing it the last couple of years. maybe they don't need to do it but it's a way to get out to the whole country. >> on the campaign trail yesterday former new york city mayor michael bloomberg was pressed on the audio clip that appeared to show him defending the city's stop and frisk policy singling ot black and latino communities. he has since apologized for the policy, but not for his blunt words about minorities. he was asked about his comments multiple times at a bloomberg campaign event in chattanooga, tennessee, yesterday. >> mr. mayor, why did you say what you said in that 2015

speech? >> i don't think those words reflect what, how i led the most diverse city in the nation, and i apologized for the practice and the pain that it caused. >> but why did you say it? >> it was five years ago, and, you know, it's just not the way that i think and it is, it doesn't reflect what i do every day. >> yeah. back to the 2015 comment. so you have apologized for using and promoting the policy of stop and frisk but those comments on that audio, you know, they're more than just talking about stop -- i mean, they're pretty derogatory comments an african-americans add neighborhoods they live in. >> those words don't reflect the way that i've governed or the way i run my company or the way that i live. and i've led the most diverse city in the country, and the

public there elected me and re-elected me two other times, so i think they're pretty happy with -- >> but do you apologize for saying those words? >> the first part of the question, are you concerned that your comments might affect your performance with african-american voters? >> do i not think so. i think people look at it and say those words don't reflect michael bloomberg's, the way he governed in new york city, the way he runs his company, the way philanthropy works. >> talk about that in a minute. meanwhile a new video appears to show bloomberg as the height of the 2008 economic collapse blaming the downturn on the end of a discriminatory housing practice known at red lining. >> they all started back when there was a lot of pressure on banks to make loans to everyone. red lining, if you remember, was

the term where banks took whole neighborhoods and said, people in these neighborhoods are poor. they're not going to be able to pay off their mortgages. tell they are your salesmen don't go into these areas and congress got involved, local elected officials as well and said that's not fair. these people should be able to get credit. once you started pushing in that direction, banks started making more and more loans where the credit of the person buying the house wasn't as good as you would like. >> bloomberg's president's campaign has refuted the context of the conversation, claiming that he was, instead "saying that something bad, the financial crisis, followed something good, which is the fight against red lining, that he was part of as mayor." the campaign said that bloomberg was attacking predatory lending. joe? what do you think? >> well, i guess we get one of

these a day. i don't know how much they'll have an impact on the race. certainly the rival campaigns sending them out will talk about it an awful lot. interesting to me is that this, none of this is actually new. you looked yesterday at the video that came out yesterday. that's exactly what he said -- about targeting neighborhoods. he talked about data. he said there are two areas in new york city where the preponderance of murder takes place and if we're going to protect the people in those neighborhoods, that's where we need to put more of our police force and he identified part of the bronx and a part of brooklyn. and he was very clear about it. very straightforward and said, this is why we did it. and you look at -- it's usually black males from the ages -- he listed the ages that, again, data showed it to be. of course, you have to attach humanity to data. he did not do that enough while

he was mayor of new york especially when it came to certain policing policies, rev, but be that as it may, that's how this data guy looked at the problem, and wanted to drive crime down. on the housing, what he said, i don't know whether you'd say he said it artfully or not, but what he said there about housing is something that most people said after the end of the crisis -- not focusing on black neighborhoods or white neighborhoods or hispanic neighborhoods or asian-american neighborhoods, but just saying, there was a big push from congress specifically people like barney frank, for banks to provide mortgages to a lot of americans who could not afford to pay those mortgages, regardless of race or gender, or ethnic background, and it led to

a lot of mortgages being defaulted upon and a bigger crisis. again, these are things all discussed in 2008, 2009. so it's not that much of a surprise that we're finding clips of bloomberg saying it now. >> yeah. >> it clearly is that -- i think, you know, when michael bloomberg went to the church in brooklyn and apologized for stop and frisk, he got in the car and called me. i told him, take more than one sermon or one speech to get past it, and one apology, and i was at the forefront of the anti-stop and frisk movement. didn't just accept anapology. you've got to deal with the aggrieved. 700,000 people pulled over, almost 90% for no reason, and based on a racial profiling strategy. he needs to go through now, fine. i apologize.

this is what i'm willing to do to really show my real efforts to repair damage done and show how we all have to learn from this. and be a part of that. i'm not talking about giving some donations to people and buying off support that every campaign does. i'm talking about some real institutional commitments to say, this was wrong, and we must do this to correct it. and in terms of the whole question of red lining, people were damaged, because they were, got involved in mortgages they couldn't afford. everybody was bailed out but them. we need to deal with the victims of that predatory lending that never were bailed out, that were never repaired. there can be some institutional ways to say, an apology is a beginning, but it's not an end. otherwise it's unacceptable because it's not really an apology. >> the idea poor communities of color were responsible for the financial crisis is outrageous.

obviously. if you listen to the mayor's entire comment from 2008, what he's saying is, in fact, that it wasn't the victims. talking about congress pushing these loans on the banks, and forcing effectively banks to make those loans. you put totality the stop and frisk comments heard the last couple days, red lining comment that came out yesterday what is the impact? more members of the national caucus yesterday, endorsements from mayors across the country. is this going add up to hurt mayor bloomberg? >> it can hurt him and in many ways will hurt him. sat the same time he has to ask himself who he really is and does he want this to be his legacy? even if successful. do you want to be successful and you were doing these things that were biased or your legacy, i made mistakes and corrected and

tried to drive in an institution way, another way and i think these got an opportunity to do that but he cannot make up for the victims. the victims here was not the congress or the banks or the cops. the victims were people innocently preyed upon because the color of their skin and some of us are not going to let the discussion get past that. what about the victims? don't talk to just me, don't just talk to leaders and preachers and labor leaders. talk to the victims and try to deal with the plight caused by some of the decisions you made, whether they were intended or not, you made them. >> mayor bloomberg is campaigning across the south right now. in tennessee yesterday. joining us from winston-salem, north carolina where the mayor continues to campaign today, take us inside the events mayor bloomberg held yesterday. one in chattanooga, one in nashville. a lot of people were perhapsed surprised by the crowds there.

a lot of people at both events for him. what was it like inside the room? >> reporter: yeah. about 1,100 people at that event last night in tennessee, willie. rivals are taking you seriously when the attacks start coming as well as the opposition dumps and they are fast and furious pretty much every day now. we've been talking to voters at these events yesterday in tennessee and here in north carolina this morning as they've been filling in for this event starting shortly in winston-salem. so far we haven't heard a lot of voters express a lot of concern about these remarks. there seems to be a similarity to the biden situation where people have known mike bloomberg for a long time and feel they have a sense of who he is and are not dramatically changing their opinion in an instant based on some of these new troubling comments that have come to light. the bloomberg campaign meanwhile trying to mount a real show of force and support for the mayor

including from his african-american supporters. he was introduced by a woman yesterday in tennessee who said, mike bloomberg is absolutely not a racist. that's not who he is and the campaign rolling out endorsements, you just mentioned three from the congressional black caucus including lucy mcgrath from neighbor georgia whose son was killed by gun violence an issue near and dear to the bloomberg campaign. >> josh, the people, the 1,100 people who showed up in the state of tennessee, asked why did they show up there? tennessee and north carolina, super tuesday states. fans of mayor bloomberg or curious about his candidacy from what you could tell? >> reporter: a lot of fans of mayor bloomberg and planning to support him. one of reasons, the only game in town right now. you don't have bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, these people coming through states like tennessee, north carolina. he'll be in houston later today. a lot of these folks are seeing

his outreach, seeing that mike bloomberg is making an efforts in state other candidates have yet to the pay attention to and look at it favorably as far as the role the rest has to play in shaping a democratic nominee. >> very interesting. josh letterman, winston-salem, north carolina. thanks so much. he'd right, mike, bloomberg is the only game in town. in these primary states, super tuesday states while everyone's been in iowa, new hampshire, nevada, south carolina. sitting there setting up shop and drawing big crowds in tennessee. >> and more dumps, more questions about stop and frisk, more questions about red lining. people behind josh letterman and the people there last night be not there for any of those reasons. one reason and one reason only. can mike bloomberg beat donald trump? >> okay. reverend al sharpton, thank you for being on. coming up, if you can't

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what lesson did you learn from impeachment? >> that the democrats are crooked. they've got a lot of crooked things going. that they're vicious. that they shouldn't have brought impeachment. >> anything about yourself? >> that my poll numbers are 10% higher because of fake news like nbc which reports the news very in inaccura inaccurately. probably more than cnn if that's probable and if you look at ms -- look at nbc, among the

most dishonest that are on the air. >> he's like a 7-year-old brat. but that's really being too unkind to 7-year-old brats. like, giving -- oh, that hurts. that hurts so bad, donald. >> well, i just think of the republicans. we came in with, top of the show. like, aren't you scared yet? forget us. forget the democrats shocked and appalled every day, forget the election. like, aren't you scared yet? what's the line this president needs to cross for you to be scared? because i would think we've passed it a long time ago, and you created this. >> mika -- they're only scared of losing their jobs. these are people obviously who have no other life outside of being a member of the house or the senate. being a politician is the only thing that they have.

the only thing that gives them self-worth so they're willing to actually shame themselves every day. >> you know these people, joe. i mean -- >> no. i mean, i -- i can't explain certain people who go out there and aggressively defend this president and i can't explain others who remain silent while the president is actually threatening judicial independence by attacking federal judge -- let's just stop right there. and just, for my friends who are listening, the president that you support is attacking federal judges. attacking federal judges for following federal guidelines in a criminal case in which the criminal defendant has been a lifelong associate of his. >> uh-huh. >> that is corrupt to the core,

and, friends, you know it. and you sit silently through this. you have learned from donald trump the behavior only gets worse. after the mueller investigation, the actions got worse. tried to get russia to dig up dirt and some admitted what he did was terribly wrong but he learned no lesson from that, willie. he learned absolutely no lesson from that. elise went down the list of things that have happened just over the past week, and now he's moved to attacking federal prosecutors, independent prosecutors, attacking judicial independence. attacking the judiciary branch of this federal government. i do not think it would be

inappropriate for the chief justice of the united states supreme court to speak out against this attack, against judicial independence for donald trump trying to pressure judges and prosecutors and the doj to take it easy and to just toss away federal guidelines for a lifelong associate of his who has been found guilty of federal crimes that should land him in jail for seven to nine years. >> and there's no reason to believe it doesn't get much, much worse from here. i mean, this is the beginning. elise said. we're one week. feels like it was six months ago. one week since acquitted of impeachment in the senate. this is just the beginning, and we know he's got enablers all around him. including the attorney general of the united states, william barr. obviously the senate.

senators were asked yesterday about this. i think he's changed his behavior and cheapishly said, gosh, looks like he hasn't changed much in the last week and lindsey graham coming out yesterday saying the president should not interfere in these cases and if i thought he was doing something wrong here i would be the first to say if. lindsey graham saying he doesn't believe the president is doing anything wrong. his primary challenger must be very, very tough in south carolina. >> and those who let him run through this stop sign you did this. lem him out of this gate. you know history, read history. you went to school. you're not scared yet? i don't get it. mike barnicle, elise jordan, krut bardella with us and peter baker from the "new york times." former assistant attorney for the district of columbia now and nbc news and msnbc legal

associate joins us and legal analyst joins vance. a lot better to talk about this issue than me, joe, but i do think that we are in a different place today. >> peter baker, we seem to be in a different place every day, but today, the president has put the united states and i wouldn't say in a constitution crisis but certainly has put constitutional norms in the balance as he attack as federal judge and is trying aggressively to impact the sentencing of a political associate of his, a lifelong associate of his, who according to federal guidelines should be in jail for seven to nine years. >> yeah. i think one of the things learned in the last three years these norms, standards, traditions we've come to expect our presidents to abide by are optional. at least voluntary basically. the past presidents abided by them proceeded a political blowback if they didn't.

a cost to pay. there would be criticism or house hearings or media outrage and so forth. the truth is, what president trump has shown if you're willing toic ta the heat, it doesn't matter. you actually don't have legal barriers to allow the things that you as a president might want to do. one of the things this president has shown he believes the justice department should bend to his willing. not an independent agency, should respond to him not just on broad policy, the way most post-watergate presidents treated it but respond to him and desire to go after his enemies and protect his friends. >> joyce vance, seems to me judge jackson right now is the person who unfortunately has been give an great responsibility, and that is the responsibility of upholding the independence of the federal judiciary by not listening to the president of the united states, and instead following guidelines that the united states has laid down, for

professionals, professional prosecutors recommended at the trial in the matter, in the regular matter of course of this trial. >> you know, judge jackson is undoubtedly up to this task, joe. we've seen her display remarkable independence, ruling not in a political way in any of the cases that she's handled during the mueller investigation, but always following the law. for the president, if he's outraged by the notion that the guidelines call for seven to nine-year sentences for crimes like roger stone's he's got an easy way to address that. he can go to congress and ask them to implement sentencing reform. he would certainly find willing partners in the democrats who under the obama administration led the charge advocating for sentences for crack cocaine. there is bipartisanism to take

this forward and everyone convicted of crimes like roger stone's and sentenced under these guidelines. what he cannot do, what puts the lie to this claim he's making there's something wrong with the sentence and tells us this is just the president engaging in political patronage for one of his buddies is that he's doing it only foreroger stone and not everyone else. >> and elise jordan separating this from the president and his political needs and helping out his buddy, what am i missing? >> i want to go deeper into something that joe said about maybe it's time for chief justice john roberts to assert that the judiciary is independent, and what making a statement like that would mean. it would be pretty unprecedented, and you watch ow congress has abdicated their responsibility to serve as a separate coequal branch and just let's trump run rushshed.

is the judiciary going to take sustained attacks from donald trump on their independence? >> so glen kirkirchner, it woult be complete without speaking out in 2018, particular the went after the ninth circuit. your broad reaction to what's happening with the judicial system when the president of the united states can give explicit or implicit to help out his buddies in the courts? >> wiie it was just president trump sending out these crazy 2:00 a.m. tweets railing against the sentence that may be handed down for his friend and frankly criminal associate roger stone, that would be damaging enough, but it's really the complicity of a corrupt attorney general in bill barr who has done real violence to the rule of law and to the concept of equal protection

under the law by undercutting these four career apolitical, honorable prosecutors, two of whom i worked with, john cravies and mike morando at washington, d.c. what he did, when cravies, the lead prosecutor in the case-por thoughtfully and complete backing of the guidelines said seven to nine years is an appropriate sentence for roger stone given his seven felony convictions where, you know, one, face obstructing congress, in one of congress' most consequential investigations of our time. an investigation into russian interference in our u.s. elections and then five felony offenses for false statements to congress and one for witness tampering trying to coerce randy

credico to lie and when he said he wouldn't, he threatened randy credico with death. seven to nine years is a heart-line, appropriate guideline compliance sentence. then the next day this four-page memo, filed by a bill barr acolyte, the u.s. attorney who had been installed in the district of columbia, u.s. attorneys office apparently to do bill barr's dirty bidding said what those four career prosecutors filed yesterday is asking for an unfair sentence, inappropriate sentence and an unjust sentence. i'll tell you, that is nonsense and it does real damage to the rule of law and to equal justice under the law, if a president can send an angry tweet and his attorney bill barr sweetheart deal for a friend of the president. you know, we are in dangerous, dangerous territory. >> yeah. >> you know, kurt, it's interesting also, yes, he

threatened a witness with death. he also, of course, made a mockery of judge jackson's courtroom, repeatedly. showed absolute contempt for the court. and, you know, i've been talking about donald trump being a lifelong associate of donald trump's, political adviser through the years. he also was much more than that. he was the hub, actually the hub of the wikileaks scandal. he was at the very center of all of that. so why is donald trump taking special interest in roger stone's sentencing? instead of somebody else's sentencing, like joyce vance said. because, obviously, roger stone knows a lot more about donald trump than the rest of us do, and donald trump is scared. >> oh, exactly. i mean, look how trump is going above and beyond for roger

stone. there's no doubt that stone has made it very clear, this is the guy you need to protect. because he knows where all the bodies are buried. it's interesting, joe, look at the attack on joe jackson. everybody needs to understand something here about this judge. her record is non-partisan. when republicans believe it or not, a time when republicans actually defended congressional oversight. he took the obama justice department to court sued over use of executive privilege trying to shield documents for their investigation called fast and furious. the judge who ruled for congressional republicans in they're favor was judge jackson. the idea now that they can permeate this ridiculous absurd notion she's partisan and has it out for republicans and for trump completely betrays her record. and not long ago republicans touted her judgment saying on the side of the constitution and checks and balances. because she's going to be consistent in interprets law they won't attempt to attack her? it's disgraceful. >> it's not just the justice department where there is

concern. former ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch received an apa award for excellence in george town university yesterday and in her speech she warned that the u.s. state department is in trouble. >> we need a vigorous department of state, but right now the state department is in trouble. senior leaders lack policy vision, moral clarity and leadership skills. the policy process has been replaced by decisions emanating from the top with little discussion. vacancies at all levels and offices wondering whether it is safe to express concerns about policy even behind closed doors. it's not news the state department is being hollowed out from within at a competitive and complex time on the world stage. this is no time to undercut our

d diplomats. >> mike barnicle. a lot of positions never filled at the state department. your take? >> the reality of the american government the state department gutted, justice department corrupted, peter baker, we just had four assistant united states attorneys resigning. in any other u.s. attorneys office in the country, joyce vances is here, can speak to it, glen has just spoken to it. in any other u.s. attorney's office in the country, if four a, usa's this is united states attorneys resigned under protest of a decision made that basically co-opted their judgment, the u.s. attorney in that jurisdiction would absolutely have to stand up and explain the position of the office. and yet we are now living in an administration where nothing is explained. so my question to you is, how unbound is this president less than two weeks from his acquittal?

>> i think we've seen that he is flexing his muscles and trying to even the scales a it. from his point of view, his enemies taken think shot and missed and he's clearing at the house of the people who considers to be disloyal and betray betrayals. you've seen colonel vindman and his brother and ue, anticipated sondland, more people leaving we hear in the days to come. this is president who feels he has been targeted and is now free to respond. this is his response. and the resignation of those four prosecutors is a really important moment. we haven't seen anything quite like that i think in the post-watergate era. reporting from my colleague shows they actually convinced bill barr's hand-picked head of that office to go along wit sentencing guidelines. threatened to resign before they actually did saying they would step down. three would step down from the

case if he didn't go along with sentencing lines and bar barr's head go along with that say and then reversed after the president's tweet. very obviously disturbing not just to these four prosecutors who quit the case but prosecutors we talked to around the country trying to avoid cases they think the president might take an interest because they don't want to find the same kind of -- find themselves in the cross hairs. >> willie, apparently a revenge tour operating out of the white house. >> looks that way. speaks to one man president trump account have on this massive judicial system we have. in the "new york times," spoke to a bunch of u.s. attorneys offices and under condition of anonymity. wary of taking on a case that might catch president trump's attention and the stone episode only deepened their kearns. prosecutors effectively saying we don't want to deal with these

cases because we know there will be politics involved and attorney general barr and the white house will put downward pressure on us. >> there is such a deep sense of sorrow. there's anger and outrage, but also sorrow among federal prosecutors across the country. we've obviously all been in touch over these last few days. i think it's important that the country not lose faith in the career men and women of the justice department. these are people who are used to keeping their heads down and doing their work in difficult times. these times are clearly unprecedented, but what the country needs to know is that these people will continue to do the bread and butter work of the department, protecting civil rights, looking into the national security cases, looking into white collar crime. i think this article is accurate in that the appetite to take on cases that involve this president will be diminished if not completely absent moving

forward, but you know, willie, this is nothing that we shouldn't have been aware of from the time this attorney general was first nominated. i know you recalled that he wrote this 19-page memo that somehow was circulated into the white house and the justice department, and he unveiled his expansive view of presidential power. it should come as a surprise to no one that to joe's original point, he's trying to take away the power of the judiciary, diminish the legislative branch and consolidate all of the power not in the hands of just any president but of this president who is so petty and so small that he's now using that power to retaliate against people that he thinks are his enemies. we are in a sad place. >> joyce vance, we'll be reading your new piece for "time" magazine entitled "if trump is allowed to turn the justice department into a political weapon, no one is safe." glen kerchner thank you and

peter baker thank you for your reporting. we appreciate everything. we've discussed for generations, support for the military and rule of law but the president just undercut a war veteran and raised the a.g. for intervening in the case of trump's felonious friend. will we hear anything from conservatives? you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. as a struggling actor,

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snee. this is roger stone adviser to president trump convicted of seven felonies including intimidating a witness against him by threatening to kill his dog. prosecutors asked for him to get at least seven years but president trump complained and

immediately attorney general bill barr, the nation's top law enforcement official intervened to reduce his sentence. every career prosecutor involved in the case resigned in protest. the criminal justice system shouldn't depend on being friends with the president. the law must apply the same to everyone. >> this is lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. he received a purple heart when wounded in iraq and later served on the national security council for the trump white house. he was subpoenaed by congress to testify about the ukraine scandal. as a penalty for telling the truth, president trump fired him and his twin brother and had them escorted from the white house. this isn't how the president is supposed to treat military heroes who obey the law. our military deserves better. our country deserves better. lieutenant colonel vindman deserves better. >> those are two new ads from the political coalition republicans for the rule of law

for which our next guest consults. tim miller joins us, contributor to the bulwark and served for jeb bush and spokesman for the republican national committee. tim, good morning. good to see you. >> long intro, willie. >> impressive resume, my friend. a lot going on there. talk broadly about a question sort of has become moot at this point, but why aren't republicans, why aren't conservatives more outraged, fill in the blank with whatever the issue of date is, today is a day wug. the rule of law and what the president and attorney general are doing? >> fear. fear of it's tweets and fear of voters is pretty much the answer. simple as that. i think the most telling think is for all of the president's firings recently. we saw those two ads with stone and vindman. the one firing that caused a little stir among senate republicans was sondland. the donor, who gave $1 million as a hotelier in oregon.

concern among senate republicans maybe going a little far and called the white house. i think that tells you all you need to know. right? these guys are worried about re-election, offending the donor class. ads running on fox, trying to break through the bubble, and haven't been vilified in conservative media the way vindman has unfairly and smeared. so that was a place they felt they could make a difference. astonishing not a single veteran in the senate or house is coming out saying, this is crazy. this guy won a purple heart and being walked out of the white house with his brother for doing nothing except responding -- >> what did his twin brother do? i don't get it. >> his brother also in the inconsc. couldn't trust them. told services no longer immediated. walked out by security. meanwhile, we're pardoning war criminals. not a single republican veteran on the hill says anything about that? feels that they're -- even if

you think it's okay and the president should have his own guys and able to be reassigneded, this a way to do this with republicspect for our military. >> yes, a way to do it and to show respect and you know, have the personnel you want without -- it's just the lack of class from this white house and on consistent basis. so, tim and i were, before starting this segment, reliving a little bit of 2016 republican primary ptsd. >> we were. >> so at this stage of the dim primary, what -- let's compare/contrast. what do you see that reminds you of the republican primary chaos? >> yeah. >> or doesn't? or what do you think is different? >> the biggest thing obviously reminds me of it is willie said in the intro, two days later started with conservatives against trump, called our principles pact. the problem, a stop trump effort, and really it got

started just way too late. we couldn't get people onboard. a lot of us, because people hated ted cruz, seemed most likely alternative. couldn't get donors or other politicians onboard. by the time we did trump was walking into the white house. i'm concerned seeing the same thing with bernie as trump. they are different from a category perspective but the trend line is the same where there's a lot of scuttlebutt who's the alternative? there's a lot of in-fighting. jeb and marco in-fighting, kasich and marco in-fighting. biden shooting at pete, amy shooting at pete, nobody shooting at bernie. if they'd learned the lesson from 2016 and we'd seen the fire aimed at bernie in new hampshire probably are here this morning with pete having won back-to-back contests. >> so new hampshire's democratic primary turnout has officially

beaten the record previously set in 2008. according to new hampshire secretary of state over 300,000 ballots were cast in tuesday's primary. that total outpaces the over 280,000 votes cast in 2008. the cook political report says that compared to the 2016 primary turnout in towns won by pete buttigieg and amy klobuchar were up by over 25%. up only 12% for towns won by bernie sanders. wasserman attributes this increase to republicans who backed candidates such as john kasich and marco rubio in 2016 republican primary crossing over in 2020 instead of a surge of enthusiasm by sanders' base. joe? >> you know, though, tim, i always, and you, i know you've done it as well, and i'm sure you remember back in 2008 seeing one story after another about a

pennsylvania primary where record turnout for the democratic primary and, you know, maybe a florida primary record turnout. you do look in the winter and the spring before the election in the fall and a lot of times, i mean, those are pretty important data points, and i think democrats should take that data point to new hampshire for whatever the reason and see that as a positive. especially since better turnout than when barack obama and hillary clinton were going head-to-head in the most closely watched democratic contest in decades. >> you know, they should, but i'll be a rain cloud a second and offer one thing to be concerned about which is on the republican side, the turnout was also huge for donald trump in new hampshire even though he didn't have an opponent in new hampshire this week. so i think the concerning thing after the democrats with bernie now as front-runner. looked at wasserman numbers, a myth bernie is bringing new

voters into the trauprocess. not the case. his voters are his voters from 2016. pete, the new voters look at wasserman's analysis, largely for mayor pete and other senator right candidates. i think there is a lesson to learn from that in the first two contests about who are the new voters into the democratic party in 2020? and it's largely people like me and elise. college educated as tra siostra republicans. >> are you surprised how seemingly d elizabeth warren's campaign is in regard to bernie sanders? >> reminiscent of cruz. right? cruz tried the strategy of buddying up to trump, wading in his wake and being the palatable alternative when the time came. time never came. i think warren is looking at potentially going down that same

failed path. i don't see the path forward for elizabeth warren. if you looked how she did in those boston suburbs in southern new hampshire, i mean, you know this. that's basically massachusetts. she was on their tv. they go to work in boston. she got under 10% across the board in southern new hampshire. so -- >> surprising. >> yeah. if you're in that close to your home area getting under 10% where are you going to do better? seems kind of like end of the road to me for elizabeth warren. >> as we turn away from new hampshire and turn towards nevada. that prime earp isary is a week saturday. putting out a memo to 60,000 members warning bernie sanders medicare for all plan would "end culinary health care." the union received attacks from sanders supporters including tweets. disappointing senator sanders supporters attacked the culinary

union simply because our union provided facts on what health care proposals might do to take away the system 6 care we've built over eight decades. we stood up for what we believe in and continue to do so. asked about this situation for the union and his response to mayor pete buttigieg saying unions are skeptical and opposed to sanders plan. >> i have a lot more union support than pete buttigieg has or i think ever will have. and in that many, many unions throughout this country inclu including some in unite here, and the culinary union is part of unite here absolutely understand we have to move to medicare for all. they spend half their time arguing against cutbacks for the care they have. losing wage increases because the cost of health care is soaring. when everybody in america that

comprehensive health care. when we join the rest of the industrial sized world, unions could negotiate for higher wages, better working conditions, better pensions. i think the future for unions is through medicare for all. >> tim, somebody's who helped run a president's campaign for jeb bush, how big of he's unions in nevada and how big a problem for bernie sanders and elizabeth warren not just in nevada but union hard-earned health care in states across the country jrn? t >> i feel bad for those guys. been on the receiving end of some of those tweets. i think everybody has. they've got an army over there. the republican side, that's not a particularly important coalition increasingly so in the trump era. for democrats it's huge. bernie came out of new hampshire in 2016 with huge momentum. doubled percentage of ads this week and hillary clinton shut him down in nevada with help of harry reid and the big unions.

and slowed his momentum. so i think bernie is obviously on an interview last night concerned about having that happen to him again and i think in a caucus like nevada, getting people to turn out, people to understand what they're doing, how to do it, why to go, having organizational bodies like the unions are really important to help explain that to voters. >> the other candidates are jumping on this seeing an opportunity. biden, buttigieg, warren, sending out statements in support of the culinary union. there you go. tim miller, thank you very much. great to have you on. coming up, the senate today is expected to vote on a resolution that would limit the president's power to wage war. the author of that bill senator kim kaine is standi tim kaine joins the conversation next on "morning joe."

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all right. at 39 past the hour, joe's out with a new piece for the "washington post" really beautiful. it's entitled "no matter how this race ends i'm proud of joe biden." by the way, the race isn't over but listen to this. a hard time picking just a short portion to read. so i'm going to read a lot of it. worth it. in february of 1988 biden would suffer a brain enurism and find himself at walter reed army medical center where his doctor told the senator that his chance of survival was less than half. 15 years after losing their mother and sister in a shattering car accide h father' priest delivered last rites. kramer richard kramer wrote no need for the critical ill man to make things right with his boys or even say that he loved that.

joe biden made that obvious his entire life retuzing to let anyone step in to help raise them amp his young wife died. from his opt bed biden let him know he didn't need to see them grow into men to know he was proud of them. he was proud of them already. when the surgeons cut into biden's head the aneurysm exploded outward and clamped immediately, had it gushed towards biden the brain he would have died in an instant. he survived and continued raising his children passing landmark legislation in the senate and later serving at barack obama's vice president more than 25 years later. the awful grace of god would demand biden bury his oldest son, fate would require that it be the father carrying the son's memory with him through the long days and nights that followed. last month while in iowa, biden quietly wept as he told me on-air of how beau pushed him

forward every day on the campaign trail. that made sense, because it was young beau, after all, who pushed back against his father leaving the presidential race in 1987. a few months later, he would be in the front seat of his dad's ambulance driving through a fierce february snowstorm. it was beau's memory that also helped move joe biden to enter the 2020 presidential race. friends and longtime aides feared that the former vice president wasn't up to the challenge of running yet again for president, that the pain and hardship biden endured over his adult life left him too weary to absorb the hits that would surely come his way, but jill biden, whom joe credited helping him dream again after his first wife's death supported his decision and helped him pick up the pieces of his life once more. that faith initially seemed to pay off with biden racing to the top of most democratic national polls throughout 2019.

his losses in the first contests of 2020 held an overwhelmingly white state discounted support among black voters and put his candidacy at ricsk. whether his campaign can survive the body blows of iowa and new hampshire remains to be seen but joe biden has endured worse. like that gravely ill father accompanying his son so many years ago millions of americans do not need to see how this political race ends to know they are already proud of joe biden and you can put me at the top of that list. great piece by joe. senator tim kaine joins us next on "morning joe." yes. it's the first word of any new discovery.

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often abdicated its constitutional responsibility, unauthorizing the sustained use of military force. it is as my colleagues have said important to reassert the legislative branch's role, regardless of which party occupies the white house. >> today's vote is not a vote for or against the current president. today's vote is for or against the constitution. either you believe that war requires the permission of congress or you don't. >> oh. >> that's two republican senators yesterday supporting the senate moving on to debate a bill that would limit president trump's ability to launch military operations against iran without congressional approval. joining us now, member of the armed services and foreign relation's committees and author of "the war powers," senator tim

kaine. the president has taken notice of your resolution and says it must be voted down. this is not a time to show weakness to iran and others around the cord. republicans in the body agree with him and say they will not vote to support this. what is your case for the war powers resolution and why you think we ought to have it? >> i don't think america shows weakness by standing up for the rule of law. there is a way we're supposed to declare war and it's supposed to deliberate carefully and only send troops into harm's way following deliberation and a vote it doesn't show weakness. it shows strength. strength of a political consensus behind a mission and shows nations and the world we respect the rule of law. i don't think that's weakness. that's strength. that's why i had eight republicans join the democrats yesterday to move this bill forward and we're going to have the amendments and final vote

today. >> senator cornyn, republican of texas said this, senator, i think the overwhelming majority of republicans will vote against it for unnecessarily tying the hands of the president. what's your response to that? >> the bill makes very clear we shouldn't be at war with iran unless congress does a specific authorization for that war, but we also state plainly the president always has the ability ho seeking anybody's states permission. we don't tie the president's hands. the nation is stronger in war when a war has the judgment of the entire congress supporting that mission as the framers of the constitution intended. >> so senator kaine, do you have the votes? >> i've got them right now, mike. got them right now. it needs 51 votes. it's a privileged motion under the war powers act which means it can pass with a simple majority, as of right now we would have about 55 votes. this morning we are going to

have about 5 votes on amendments. a couple of which are sort of poison pill-type amendments that would be very difficult if they passed, because they would really weaken the bill. so we have to get through the amendment process, but if we do that, when we vote on final passage this afternoon i predict we will pass it by a comfortable margin. >> so senator, in view of what senator cornyn's comments, that. >> so, senator, for people who are not fully aware of the history of this particular legislation, the last time it was enacted shortly after september 11th, 2001, could you please put it in context from then to today what has happened with this and why this legislation is necessary in your view. >> absolutely. well, in the aftermath of 9/11, clearly the american public in congress said we have to go after those responsible. and so congress acted with president bush to pass a fairley open ended war authorization to go against the person raters of those attacked.

nobody who voted for that at the time, mike, believed that 19 years later we would still be fighting losing lives, spending billions and billions of dollars a year and that was because the authorization had no time limit, no real precise definition of who the enemy was, no geographic limitation. i know you guys know this. two brave sergeants from america's southwest were killed in an insider attack last week in afghanistan. one of the two had already deployed, get this, ten times before his 11th deployment when he was killed. we should not be in perpetual auto pilot war. congress has to reassert itself. and so when we sought the president and iran, the u.s. and iran going back and forth in december and january andra conc injuries, we said, look, we've got decision. no president of either party, no

matter how right they are, should be making a decision like this on their own. >> senator kaine, to follow up with what you were talking about with the tensions with iran, after general seoul manulimani killed, how has the transparency been in the aftermath of that particular briefing, as tensions continue to rise with iran? do you feel that the administration has been more transparent? >> well, that briefing was very troubling. and i was sitsing across the briefing room from mike lee and could tell just from the look on his face that he was sort of outraged by, frankly, the attitude of the administration like congress, hey, you guys are kind of an unnecessary appendage. you know, we will throw you a scrap that you've already read in the newspapers and you should be satisfied. we came to give you that. it was insulting because

congress is the body that is supposed to make the determination about whether we go to war or not. so that is what made everybody so mad. and i frankly think that that briefing probably helped me get some republican votes for this proposition. now, i will say one positive thing is that there does seem to have been a little bit on of a stepback from escalation from early january to now, both in the united states and on the iranian side. but remember, we were seconds away from a strike against iran in june that the president aborted at the last minute. there was de-escalation by then and by december and january, both iran and the united states were inflicting battlefield casualties, one against the other. so just because there's somewhat of a step back, we can't take our eye off this issue because to conflict and congress has to say that we're the decisionmaker about whether the nation is at war. >> senator tim kaine, thank you very much for being on the show

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you think he has regret with what he did? >> i think he'll be instructed by what has occurred here. >> what lesson did you learn from impeachment? >> that the democrats are crooked. >> i think that he knows now that if he is trying to do certain things, whether it's ferreting our corruption here, in afghanistan, whatever it is, he needs to go through the proper channels. >> they've got a lot of crooked things going that they're vicious, that they shouldn't have brought impeachment. >> if a call like that gets you

an impeachment, i would think he would think twice before he did it again. >> and my poll numbers are ten points higher because of fake news like nbc which reports the news inaccurately, probably more inaccurate than cnn if that is possible. >> i believe that the president has learned from this case. >> the president has been impeached. that's a pretty big lesson. >> and you ms -- no, i think they're among the most dishonest reporters of the news. >> there haven't been very strong -- >> so if you didn't hear that last part, senator lisa murkowski says no, president trump has not changed his behavior. in fact, as windsor man points out, if the president did learn any lesson from his acquittal, that lesson is it's easier to commit high crimes and misdemeanors in public view to

avoid all those annoying investigations. now it says that trump has cart blanch to enact his revenge, removing those two testify, withdrawing nominations, attacking a judge, attacking prosecutors, attacking the fbi and unleashing the attorney general to do his dirty work. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is thursday, february 13th. along with joe, willie and me, we have msnbc contributor mike barnacle, former aide to the george w. bush white house and state department's alesse jordan, former senior for the adviser house oversight and government reform committee kurt bardella and co-founder and ceo of axios, jim vandehei. joe, he continues to make fools of republicans every step of the way. >> i think they knew he was going to.

they're either buffoons or liars trying to cover up for the fact of they're not doing the right thing for their approval rating. this is so predictable. donald trump gets past the robert mueller investigation, what happens? well, the next day he starts in on ukraine. and he starts doing things that get him rightly peached. if he wants to call that a fake television want to call that -- all they have to do is listen to the words of republican in the senate who said yes, what he did was terribly wrong. we just don't have the courage to impeach. so what happens after this? now he's fullghe independence o the federaljustice. in a way that we hav the attorney general for richard

mill house nixon. he's telling the military to investigate a war hero. grn, all donald trump is doing is hurting himself. here is a guy who can't stand success. 41% in the latest reuters ipso with all americans. another poll showing him sitting at 43%, 44%. this is a guy, again, he can't stand success. he is a 43 percent president. and that is all he will ever be because he can't handle success. he is -- he acts too much like

punks that we see on playgrounds. they may be the worst basketball players ever, but you played against them, i played against them in pick up games. they score two points and they go down the court acting like they're magic johnson. >> you just described my game. i wasn't playing against them. i was them. yeah, this is donald trump post impeachment. this is the post impeachment trump most people 13ek9ed expec see. as we've said many times, we've come to expect in from him. it's the people around him who make all this possible. it's all those senate republicans that you just showed there that continue to support the president as he tramples on the rule of law. and it's now his attorney general. and thank goodness for some of these federal prosecutors who stepped aside from the roger stone case and protests who left the justice department. these are career people who are taking a stand and saying you've corrupted the -- you've corrupted the legislative branch, but you're not going to get to us in the judicial branch. so let's lay out some of these

concerns for the rule of law. as president trump celebrates what many see as a blatant attack on this country's independent system of justice. it follows the justice department's decision to overrule its own prosecutors in what looks like an effort to help the president's friend, roger stone, get a lesser prison sentence. the president denies intervening, but his tweet criticizing the recommended sentence just before it was passed and his tweet for congratulating the attorney general afterward obviously suggests otherwise. >> they treated roger stone very badly. and if you look at the mueller investigation, waits a scam because it was illegally set up. it's a disgrace and, frankly, they ought to apologize to a lot of the people whose lives they've ruined. i want to thank the justice department for seeing this horrible thing. and i didn't speak to him, by the way, just so you understand. they saw the horribleness of a nine-year sentence for doing nothing. you have murderers and drug

addicts that don't get nine years. nine years for doing something that nobody can even define what he did. >> are you concerned about the four prosecutors? >> i'm not concerned about anything. they ought to go back to school and learn because with the way they treated people, nobody should be treated like that. >> are you considering a pardon for -- >> i don't want to say that yet, but i'll tell you what, people were hurt viciously and badly by these corrupt people. >> so all of that follows all of this after impeachment. there is the dismissal of lieutenant colonel alexander vinman and the suggestion he should be prosecuted. the firing of gordon sondland, the withdraw of treasury nomination of the u.s. attorney who oversaw stone's prosecution and the false claim that bob mueller lied to congress. also this morning the "new york times" reports that more axes are sure to fall. he writes this, quote, a cue national security council official is said by colleagues to face dismissal in the last of the dozens of career officials

being transferred out of the white house may be gone by the end of the week. so the president of the united states is getting exactly what he hoped for, which is a government and not just the executive branch, but the legislative branch and now potentially the injury additional branch as the justice department at least led by attorney general bar completely controlled by one man, him. >> well, i mean, the justice department now is backly his own personal law firm that he can use to inflict revengz on his enemies and adversaries. we've seen systemically here, first it was annihilating checks and balances with the legislative branches, ignoring their subpoenas, not cooperating with their investigations and instructing people not to cooperate with congress at all. now that he's been left off the hook, we're seeing him instruct the attorney general to effectively go easy on his guys and go after his adversaries. and it's one of the most dangerous things going on right now. it sets the stakes for what we're up against in 2020.

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comments appearing to -- well, he did threaten the cbs this morning anchor for asking questions about the late kobe bryant's 2003 rape case in an interview with lisa leslie. >> two wrongs don't make no right. with that being said, gayle king, i probably tore you down by coming at you in a derogatory manner based off of emotions, me being angry and questions that you asked quarterback overreacted. should have handled it way differently than that. so i would like to apologize to you properly for the lveng that i used and just being disrespectful. i didn't mean for it to be like that. i was expressing myself for a friends who wasn't here to defend himself. a lot of people look up to me and i want to let them know that anytime you mess up, it's okay

to man up and say that you're wrong. i apologize. hopefully we can sit down and talk privately. have a good day. >> joe, you go first. >> listen, it was a pretty straightforward apology, a complete apology. i thought it was a complete apology. i know you have atomplel take o. i think we all screw up and when we do, he need to step forward and apologize. the part of that apology, he said he overreacted, he apologized fully, he was being disrespectful and he said he needed to, quote, man up and apologize. he did. and i thought the best part of it was when he said that they needed to get together and talk privately, which i'm sure at some point they will. although i'm sure this is still

very, very raw for gayle. she's been through hell this past week. i think she has to be disillusioned by the "new york times" and others who claim to be such champions of journalistic freedom. it's very strange, this conspiracy of silence to protect and defend a black female journalist. i am ready to move past snoop and what he said. i'm far more focused on this complete dereliction of duty by opinion writers, by media figures, by leaders who have

refused to step forward and speak truth to power. we have one of the few on this set who have. and that's, of course, reverend al. what do you think, mika? >> i don't think those folks are off the hook because snoop delivered this so-called apology. i think it was an apology in some ways and it wasn't in others. first of all, it's quite a turn around from what he put out there and it took a week which is problematic. when you've done something wrong, you know it right away and you get right out there and you do not give any excuses for it and his first line gave an excuse. two wrongs don't make a right. let me explain why that's problematic. he left gayle hanging in an area that's quite important to all of this, which i'll let the rev talk about. two wrongs don't make a right? no. that is not okay. and that kind of undermines the

intiesh apology. what is it that made him think for a week before coming out with this. and what he did, he tore gayle down and threatened her with a profanity laced tirade is he divided people. and he knew he was doing that. he knew he was ginning up division. it's not a good look at all. so i think he's going to need to do more. i think it's a good start. but a lot needs to happen before this is, quite frankly, in a place of peace. >> well, i'm sure gayle feels the way you do right now. i'm sure she's still very raw about this. i know we have a president who refuses to apologize at all times, who refuses to ever admit he makes mistakes. and i think, rev, when you have somebody stepping forward and saying they need to, quote, man up and apologize and say that

they are sorry and they behaved poorly, you know, i think we need to accept that apology. of course, it's up to gayle ultimately to personally accept that apology. but, you know what? we need to salute people who make mistakes. we've all made terrible mistakes. and, you know what? it's at the end of the day, it's all about grace. and hopefully snoop and gayle can get together and he can offer words to her and she can provide grace back to him. but for now, i'm just glad this example was sen sent out to the 39, 40 million people that follow snoop on instagram. >> it was important because it sets a cultural tone that you do not have to be ingauged in threats and misogyny. what concerned me was the message it was send to go a lot of people that listen to snoop and that are impacted by it.

and i think they got a real education, and i hope this is a teaching moment that snoop will use to say to them it is not the manly thing to do to call women out by name and to threaten women and. if he had said he thought it was inappropriate or harmful to him, he had a right to say that. but to dehumanize her was my concern. someone said i'm glad you stood up for gayle. i said i didn't stand up for gayle. i stood up for my daughters. i stood up for people everywhere. there are younger and older people all over this country that i marched for and should not be called out by name. and i'm so happy that it was validated and supported by

snoop. and we ought to give him his props and hopefully use this as a teaching moment for many of his fans that to man up really means to be a man and to be a man means to not disrespect women. coming up, michael bloomberg wants to be judged by his tenure in new york city. stop and traffic is part frisk . how he's responding, next on "morning joe." esponding, next on "morning joe." i like liberty mutual. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. what do you think? i don't see it.

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$300 million in tv ads over the past several months, a million dollar facebook ads every day. what do you say to democrats who argue that you're trying to buy this election? >> i'm not trying to buy the election. we've been at this for ten weeks and the best way is to communicate in ten weeks is through something like mass media, through television and social media and the other people that are running have been doing it for the last couple of years so maybe they don't need to do it. but it's a way for me to get out to this whole country.

>> on the campaign trail yesterday, former new york city mayor michael bloomberg was pressed on the recently released audio clip from 2015 that appeared to show him defending the city's stop and frisk policy by singling out black and latino communities. he has since apologized for the policy, but not for his blunt words about minorities. he was asked about the issue several times at a campaign event in chattanooga, tennessee, yesterday. >> mr. mayor, why did you say what you said in that 2015 speech? >>. >> yoj that wori don't think th reflect how i led the most diverse city in the nation. i apologized for the practice and the pain that it caused. >> but why did you say it? >> it was five years ago and,

you know, it's just not the way that i think and it's not -- it doesn't reflect what i do every day. >> yeah. back to the 2015 comment, so you have apologized for using and promoting the policy of stop and frisk, but those comments on that audio, they're more than just talking about -- they're pretty derogatory comments about african-americans and the neighborhoods that they live in. >> look, i think i -- those words -- those words don't reflect the way that i've governed or the way that i run my company or the way that i live and i've led the most diverse city in the country and the public there re-elected me and re-elected me two other times, so i think they're pretty happy with -- >> but do you apologize for. >> the first part of the question, are you concerned your comments might affect your performance with african-americans? >> i do not think so. i think people look at it and they say those words don't reflect michael bloomberg's way

he governed in new york city, the way his if a lap three pea works. >> so we'll talk about that in just a moment. meanwhile, a newly discovered video appears to show bloomberg at the height of the 2008 economic collapse blaming the down turn on the end of a discriminatory housing practice known as red lining. >>. >> they all started back when there was a lot of pressure on banks to make loans to everyone. red lining was the term where banks took whole neighborhoods and said people in these neighborhoods are poor, tell your salesmen don't go into those areas and congress got involved, local elected officials, as well, and said that's not fair. these people should be able to get credit.

and banks started making more and more loans where the credit of the person buying the house wasn't as good as you would like. >> bloomberg's presidential campaign has refuted the context of the situation claiming that he was instead, quote, says that something bad, the financial crisis, followed something good, which is the fight against red lining that he was part of as mayor. the campaign said bloomberg was attacking predatory lending. joe, what do you think? >>. >> i guess we're going to get one on of these a day. i don't think how much impact they're going to have on the campaign. certainly the rivals in the campaign will talk about it an awful lot. what is interesting to me is none of this is actually new. the video that came out yesterday, that's exactly what he said -- about targeting neighborhoods, he talked about

data, he said they're -- there are two areas in new york city where the preponderance of murder takes mays. if we're going to protect the people in those neighborhoods, that's where we're going to put more of our police force. he identified part of the bronx and part of brooklyn. and he was very clear about it, very straightforward and said this is why we did it and you look at -- it's usually black males from the ages and he listed the ages that, again, data showed it to be. of course, you have to attach humanity to data. he did not do that enough when he was mayor of new york. but be that as it may, that is how this data guy looked at the problem and wanted to drive crime down. on the housing, what he said, i don't know whether you would say he said it unartfully or not, but what he said there about

housing is something that most people said after the end of the crisis, not focussing on blake or white neighborhoods or hispanic neighborhoods or asian american neighborhoods, but just saying there was a big push from congress, specifically people like barney frank for banks to provide mortgages to a lot of americans who could not afford to pay those mortgages regardless of race or gender or ethnic background. and it led to a lot of mortgages being defaulted upon and a bigger crisis. these are all things that were discussed in 2008-2009, so it's not that much of a surprise that we're finding clips of bloomberg saying it now. >> it clearly is that.

i think when michael bloomberg went to the church in brooklyn and apologized for stop and frisk, he got in the car and called me and i told him it was going to take more than one sermon and more than one speech to get beyond the policy. you've got to deal with the aggrieved. millions of people were impacted. 700,000 people pulled90% of the reason and based on a racial profiling strategy. he needs to go through, fine, i apologize. this is what i'm willing to do to show my efforts to repair damage done and show how we have to learn from this and i'm not talking about buying off

support. i'm talking about some real institutional commitments to show that this was wrong and we must correct it. in the terms of red lining, people were damaged because they government involved in mortgages they couldn't afford. everybody was bailed out but them. we need to deal with the victims of pretty tore lending that were never bailed out and never begi not the end otherwise it's unacceptable because it's not really an apology. coming up, governor andrew cuomo is headed to the white house today, but first he joins the conversation right here on "morning joe." the conversation right here on "morning joe." my age-related macular degeneration could lead to vision loss.

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food trucks are one of the entry areas for immigrants. >> how did you start the truck? >> i work for somebody for cleaning for six, seven months. spend i buy one and then i buy another one. >> you have six trucks. that's the american dream. >> yes. >> mohammed! there's my buddy. good luck with everything. >> they don't give excuses. they're blessed with the opportunity to belong to a new place. they don't want to take anything from anyone. >> i asked him what was his secret. do you know what he said? i worked hard. >> since the founding of this country, immigration has been key to the development of american cuisine. and as immigration remains a hot button issue today, the culinary world remains a top industry.

msnbc's new five-part series entitled what is eating america explores the issues that impact voters through the lens of food. joining us now, the host of the series, award winning tv personality and which he, andrew zimmer and also with us is jose indres who is featured in the premier episode. great to have you both on. let's talk about the series overall. >> the idea is that we explore the civic and social issues of the day through a different lens. i think as tumultuous as these times are at a point in our history where we're in the most important civic, social and political cycle, at least of my lifetime and as a student of history maybe of any time, we need to engage everyone in the

story telling of the most important issues. and i think there are a lot of people who are starting to tune things out. and i think if we can start to tell stories through a way that people can relate to, all people, and impact them through something that they touch every single day in terms of food, why not do that? and as we started to explore the different topics that we cover, addiction, immigration, climate change, we realize that we can do some amazing story telling here. and immigration is a huge one. 29 percent in manufacturing, but over half of the total food system. while they may tune out who gets to say what in front of congress and they haven't appeared, i

think they going to get concerned when their bagel costs $10 and who is feedsing them isn't there. >> our senators and congressmen, what they eat every day inside congress, when you follow up that food all the we to the farm, you will see that those 11 million undocumented, those dreamers, are the one that's are bringing those foods to their tables, to your table, to my table. why we keep them undocumented, when we actually need them, when

businesses like mine, we don't have enough employees to hire, why once and for all we don't use american pragmatism, we pass immigration reform and we start moving forward. >> our president, he has a winery in virginia. everybody working on the fields were undocumented. he's a business person. now he's the president. yes, president trump, you should be passing immigration reform because you are actually using those undocumented. congress, the president, everybody, republicans and democrats, once and for all, they need to make right what is wrong. we are running america with people we don't recognize. they should be stopping these voiceless and ghost of our system. >> you're talking specifically, jose, about dreamers, about giving them citizenship and giving them rights. >> undocumented workers. >> everybody. >> golf courses, who do you think takes care of the golf courses? who do you think picks up fish in the -- who do you think is picking up our strawberries?

let's be logical. >> and let me underscore what jose said. when you talk to every single person who owns and operates one of these companies, whether they're a farmer in the salinas valley in california or they own a crab picking company in the chesapeake bay, all of them need more employees. there is no one else showing up for these jobs. and the system that we've had for a long time has been broken, but it's been on wobbly legs. now you kick those legs out from under it, you put in a lottery system for workers who are going to pick crabs in the chesapeake bay, they don't get enough, a $2 billion industry fails in maryland. we spoke to farmers in northern california who had to till under strawberries for an entire season because they didn't get enough workers. this is that double edge sword

of an me that is don't well, but not for everyone. >> we've heard about the opioid crisis that has been in the news for quite a while. but, you know, when you talk about another social ill that is affecting america in our pocketbooks, look at the effect on health care, alcoholism and other isms associated with it are a massive dollar time and labor drain on this country. we need to be doing to support mental health parody laws. so we profiled an add iblth in our show, took people around new york city and used that as a jumping off point. senator klobuchar was kind

enough to share with us her story famously. i think the story saw that during the kavanaugh hearings when she went after now justice kavanaugh. senator klobuchar is fighting tooth and nail. she's the only candidate that has a real program for putting more teeth behind the mental health parody laws. addiction, like the plight of immigrants, undocumented are people that we would rather not look at. equity and access is something that we're talking about in so many areas of this country, but we're keeping so many people marginalized. if we don't do something for those people who are marginalized, i think we're failing as a country. >> i'm curious on the issue of

climate change and -- >> we do. the long and the short of it, 10 years ago, 10% of the oyster crop -- oysters, by the way, grow all along the coast of america. 10% of the oysters cameol bay.