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good morning, i'm ali velshi at msnbc world headquarters in new york. as voting begins in nevada, the 2020 candidates including president trump are looking ahead to the delegate-rich states in the deep south. for the democratic party, that especially means appealing to black voters. it is worth mentioning that since 2016 black voters more than any other voting block have been steadfast in their political unity around the two most important things democrats need headed into the general election. first, their objection to trump's presidency. his approval rating in the african-american community has remained extremely low for the past three years. second, their ability to coalesce around one candidate they feel is best suit to defeat trump come november. and donald trump knows this come is why his re-election strategy has been to court black americans with ads focusing on criminal justice reform and to attack rival democrats with

strong african-american support. for months those attacks have landed squarely on former vice president joe biden as a co-sponsor of the 1994 crime bill. but a new threat has emerged in former new york mayor michael bloomberg. trump is again capitalizing on how democrats reconcile with his past in a race that should be focused on the democratic party's future. as bloomberg chips away at biden's lead among black voters and uses his massive ad strategy to center his candidacy on defeating donald trump, does challenging the political expectations of a candidate impact their electability when it comes to black voters? joining me is someone who spent years trying to make inroads with black voters on behalf of president trump, amorosa manigault neumann, the author of "unhinge "unhinged," a book about her time in donald trump's white house. great to see you again. thank you for being with us this morning. >> good morning. congratulations. >> thank you. you know that a lot of our viewers on msnbc will wonder why we've got you here. it's uniquely interesting to me

largely because donald trump has continued to trumpet his accomplishments in the black community. he did it in the state of the union, he does it all the time. he talks about organizations like blacks for trump. gi give me a sense of where african-americans sit in terms. their goals, their economic and their mobility goals and donald trump. >> well, i think when you say that they're wondering why i'm here, i think i need to tell you that as the national director of african-american outreach, i face this very big challenge. the reality of the challenge of getting african-american voters for the republican party as a whole is that they didn't have policies that african-americans really thought support or advanced their agendas. and so when donald trump became the nominee and ultimately became the president, they thought that there would be policies that work out and work finish their benefit. unfortunately -- work for their benefit. unfortunately, donald trump has not worked on behalf of african-americans, and they know it. they know that the ads are just lip service and that he has not followed through on many of the

commitments. let's not forget his campaign of what do you have to lose. >> right. >> when you look at donald trump and his surface-level actions and n terms of outreach and african-americans, they still can't get past his response to charlottesville or the fact that he's aligned himself with white supremacis supremacists. he has a lot of work to do, and they now know him because he has a track record. before we were working with nothing. >> what did -- again, i want to go back to this. you say why would my viewers wonder if you're here, you were selling these ideas. did you believe them? did you believe that for african-americans you got nothing to lose for voting for donald trump and he would do meaningful things for african-americans? >> let's go back, i worked in the clinton white house as deputy associate director of personnel. when i met donald trump he was a democrat. his policies at the time aligned with my policies. let's be clear of my track

record. donald trump, some of the thing he did after he got into office were not known to african-american voters. he did enjoy an 8% turnout for african-american votes, 13% among african-american men. if someone asked the question, i'm someone two 20 years of political experience. let's talk about donald trump first and foremost. donald trump has said in lip service only that he wants african-american votes, but we can now examine his policy in regards to education, when he talks about criminal justice reform, the economy, and african-americans can make decisions for themselves as to whether or not they're better off now than when he became president. >> by the way, there are a lot of people in this country who if they, inned where they were -- if they measured where they were now versus when he became president, they have seen wages increase -- >> nose people are the top wealthyist of the country. yes. >> he boasts about lower african-american unemployment. i like to put charts up to show

that's the direction it was going in. >> with obama. >> when you talk about the 8% of people who supported, 8% of african-americans who supported donald trump, the 13% of african-american men, how much of that is belief in the idea that donald trump could have done something versus the idea that there is a fairly large influential, significant contingent of social conservativism in the african-american community? >> well, first of all, a lot of it was frustration with the democratic party. as i traveled the country with donald trump, candidate trump at that time, what we hear from african-americans is that the democratic party had taken them for granted. had just assumed that they were going to automatically vote for whoever the democratic nominee is. and that's not the case. african-americans were showing that they can, in fact, move away from someone who they've support wholeheartedly, i think 93% of african-americans voted for barack obama in his last election. so now what we're seeing is african-americans are taking a close look at it biden, at bloomberg, at bernie sanders,

because they want to see who in fact not only supports their agenda but who can defeat donald trump. most of what i hear from african-americans are who -- who is going to be the strongest candidate to defeat the current occupant of the white house. >> all right. is there -- let's talk about blacks for trump for a second. what is this group? is it the same people who supported donald trump last time around? >> well, i write about this in "unhinged." a lot of the black-for-trump supporters, some of them were actors, some of them were hired, some of them were paid to be there. not many of them were sincere, holistic, organic supporters of donald trump. a lot of the antics that you see with these signs and the rallies and the calls are people who are strategically plaguced in his rallies as window dressing. some of the things that go on behind the scenes at the trump campaign would make your head spin. i think that we're all now kind of hip to the fact that donald trump puts on a great production

in terms of reality tv. we know that he draws big ratings. in terms of affecting african-americans' lives, he's failed in the last three years as president. >> great to see you. thank you for joining me this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> former senior white house official and author of "unhinged: an insider's account of the trump white house." michael bloomberg won the key endorsement of three members of the congressional black caucus. one is gregory meeks, who didn't like trump, didn't like bloomberg, you didn't like bloomberg when he was mayor. >> i don't like trump now. >> all week there's been this drip, drip, drip of things coming out about michael bloomberg that do have a racial tinge to them. they're all from the past. his talking about redlining, his defense of stop and frisk, the way in which he talked about stop and frisk which seems to negate the experience of black and brown men. and then you come out and support him the same week. >> kbryeah.

>> what's that about? >> look, i'm from new york. michael bloomberg ran three times, i didn't support him three times primarily because of stop and frisk. it was a bad policy. at the same time, i also understand that michael bloomberg wanted to get guns out of the community so that innocent people did not get killed. and when i look and listen to see what he's done, his actions, subsequent to being mayor and looking at who is in the best position to beat this president, i come up with this -- number one, you can tell a man by how he does spend his money. how has he spent his money? he's put money into programs like the eagle academy for boys which gives black and brown boys a chance to move up and become pru productive members of society. if you talk to jeff canada who had the harlem children's zone, if you look at what he's done trying to make sure that health care for african-americans, you know, reducing obesity. so if you look at the whole body

of work and his ability to beat donald trump, and i looked at the economic agendas that he's talking about, closing the wealth gap. you know, i believe and bwe talked about the three es, empowerment. what's important for empowerment, you've got to educate. mike has invested money to help educate african-americans. and then so that's the first e. the second is economics. you got to be able to have the ability to make some money, to thrive so that you can make sure that you are moving your families. mike has a program to talk about how too many african-americans are unbanged or underbanked. and trying to create the opportunity for at least a million more to -- to own homes again, the greatest investment that african-americans have. >> he did talk about redlining. that was recent. i mean, the idea that redline was a terrible practice. let's be fair. i think we can generally agree. >> no question. >> the idea that a billionaire thinks the financial crisis was

triggered by the fact that a prejudicial practice at this time was eliminated. he said the eliminate nation led to people in poor neighborhoods getting loans -- >> he said that congress pushed the banks to give loans to individuals who could not afford those loans. and what happened is really that if you look at my district was one of the most impacted by the financial crisis of 2008. when you have adjustable rate mortgages. if you look at it, the banks and what he was talking about gave money to individuals who they knew could not -- >> totally right. we would agree but he said it was redlining it. >> words are wrong. words are bad. >> there is no african-american in the country who would like to hear that redlining is a good thing. >> the language he used is incorrect because he wasn't talking about that black people couldn't live in certain neighbors, he was talking about banks giving money to individuals who couldn't afford it. many could afford the teaser rate.

when it was the adjustable rate, they couldn't afford it then. >> let's put up that -- the vote -- the african-american voting numbers right now. you see the drop, look, 22-point drop for joe biden. joe biden was -- it was his firewall, black voters. now you've got michael bloomberg and joe biden almost within the margin of error, within the margin of error of each other. talk about that. >> i think that african-american voters are always, they have very sophisticated voters. they vote their interests. they know that their interests is making sure that donald trump is defeated. that's absolutely the interest. and so they're going to move the direction that they think who is the best person to defeat donald trump and then who is also going to talk about their agenda which is homeownership, reducing the wealth gap, getting people into the work force at jobs that can really pay a decent salary, and they're looking at michael bloomberg and what he has done in those areas.

and they're saying, tit's in their best interests to look at michael bloomberg. i think that's why those that are saying let's sign up with michael bloomberg because he can beat them, and he is going to be one that can produce in regards to reducing that wealth gap and making sure that jobs that are created for tomorrow that they can have and raise their families with. >> good to see you. thank you for joining me. i would love to have you back to discuss the fact that redlining is illegal, but the problems continue to exist. a lot of people who should qualify for loans still don't get them. >> i love it. in fact, i'm chair of the financial institution subcommittee. >> yeah. >> we're going to do a hearing in new york just on that issue. >> all right. thank you, sir. good to have you. >> congratulations to you. >> new york congressman gregory meeks. tune in right here wednesday when nbc news and msnbc host the democratic debate live from las vegas. that is three days ahead of the crucial nevada caucuses. that is wednesday, 9:00 pm eastern. all my colleagues up there are going to be asking questions,

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one of the major stories coming out of the new hampshire primary besides bernie sanders' predictable victory was the rise of amy klobuchar and the fall of elizabeth warren. klobuchar finished in a surprising third place with nearly 20% of the vote and snagged six delegates. warren got just over 9% and no delegates. among her fellow female candidates, klobuchar also won the women vote by a significant margin tying for second overall in that category. just two points behind pete buttigieg. and 67% of klobuchar's votes came from women. that's the most of any candidate. and quite a number considering warren hails from neighboring

massachusetts. klobuchar also keeps racking up the newspaper endorsements, yesterday picking up her first for the california primary before super tuesday. she put her candidacy and momentum into a historical context yesterday in reno, nevada. >> i believe in so many times that the winning candidate on the democratic side has not been the one everyone thought was going to win at first, right? think of jimmy carter, bill clinton, barack obama. these were not the people that they thought were going to win. but the people of this country, especially the early states, thought otherwise. they defied the odds. they picked the candidates. that is what's happened in our country's history. >> all right. big questions remain. can klobuchar keep up her momentum, and what can warren do to reverse course? joining us, the president of the bernard center for women, michelle bernard, also a columnist with "u.s. news and world report" and president of emily's list, stephanie shriav. thanks for being here. michelle, you make an interesting point.

what can warren do to reverse course, but i think from the discussion we had the other day, the message i took from you is that it's not reversal of course that's necessary for warren because she's running sort of a slow and steady policy-oriented race. and particularly for women of color, the issues will resonate. >> absolutely. and i think for both warren and klobuchar i think the philosophy as always been do everything you can to stay in the race, focus on policy issues, focus on pocketbook issues, expand your base, and ignore whether you're in or out with the media. so you know, for example, coming out of iowa, i think the best thing amy klobuchar did for herself was that monday coming out of iowa she held a press conference that was widely covered. i think elizabeth warren maybe doing better if she had done the same thing. coming out of iowa and even out of new hampshire, the big talk was about what has been known as

the b-boys. biden, bloomberg, buttigieg, so women have to go out of their way to really focus on issues and also to find ways to get members of the media to cover the importance of their campaign and then underlying all of that is that women, particularly women of color, are really focused on the issues and they're looking and listening to these campaigns. i'll tell you, one of the most difficult things i think warren has happening right now was reported by "politico" recently was that she had four women of color, black women, leave her campaign in nevada recently. she apologized for the women feeling that they were tokens. but i think that's going to make things a little bit more difficult for her, at least within how women of color are looking at her campaign. but slow and steady is the best way to go for her. >> stephanie, after new hampshire, one of my producers texted me a headline of an article in a major news organization which said biden

and buttigieg battle it out for first and second -- sorry, bernie sanders and buttigieg battle it out for first and second, biden comes in fifth. she was sort of fascinated that numbers three and four were just eliminated from the dialogue. elizabeth warren and amy klobuchar, if you are thinking there is some kind of battle between tents in the democratic party between a moderate and a progressive wing, they could both articulate the views of those groups quite effectively. they could be the debate. >> well, and you have really -- first off, thank you for having this conversation because you literally just summed up the challenge that we've been having at emily's list for the last year which is the challenges of our women candidates where we started, you know, with six women, four u.s. senators. we here have two women in senator warren, senator klobuchar. in the top, arguably the top four, still battling to get

media coverage. and it is not an easy thing to do. i was stunned, stunned by the fact that elizabeth warren seemed to completely disappear after a third place in iowa where the conversation was about the top two, about joe biden and, well, about the mess that was the iowa caucuses. but i've been at emily's list for ten years, i've never seen anything quite like that. and how -- it wasn't that she wasn't trying, it was incredibly difficult to get the coverage. amy klobuchar did have that good press conference, i agree. but not until her amazing debate performance did she change the momentum in new hampshire for her even though she, too, outperformed expectations in iowa. these two women are strong, strategic, they've got a good sense of leadership. they know how to win.

they're running two very different campaigns, both of which i firmly believe have paths to this nomination. just like everybody else, we are just at the beginning of this process. and i think what we're going to see now is, i hope, an equal covering of our candidates that we have in play. i think it's still a challenge. i'm so thrilled you showed the rally last night in reno of senator klobuchar. she had 1,000 people in reno last night. senator warren had 4,000 in arlington, virginia, just a couple of nights ago on a super tuesday state. this thing's just getting started, and these women are really reaching out, energizing folks on the ground. and we've got to see more coverage about this. and i'm not sure what else to do other than to say thank you for talking about it. there needs to be more, they need a fair shot. >> don't owe me any thanks, but thank us when it looks fair. when the coverage actually -- that's when we celebrate, right.

when these two women, michelle, are -- they are known winners, they have won the races they're in. they are -- they're aggressive, they're able to fight. they are policy deep. they've got positions and things people can critique. there's zero reason they wouldn't get adequately -- i would argue better coverage given how much policy they put out there. we should be studying those policies and critiquing them. >> absolutely. there's a philosophy where people say there are only three tickets coming out of iowa. typically for candidates, the losing candidates coming out of iowa in the past, that has been the end of their campaign. if we go back to iowa with bernie sanders and pete buttigieg coming in at first and second and elizabeth warren coming out as third, we still keep scratching our heads as to why she didn't receive any media coverage, and we have to understand the more media coverage you get, the more candidates are able to fund-raise and also the more the

american electorate is able to listen to them and make a decision as to who is best suited to be the next commander in chief of the country. and the media has really focused on, you know, mayor pete and bernie sanders what's going to happen, is bloomberg buying all of our democratic norms and elizabeth warren and amy klobuchar, as we have heard before, have won. they are the only people in the race right now that have won every election they have ever run for. you know, i personally am of the belief that it was a shame that we had to see senator kamala harris leave the race. i think we would be so much better if we had all three of these women in the race talking policy, talking about the future of the nation, and explaining to the country why they are best able to leave. and i think we have a moral obligation as journalists to make sure that we are giving them equal coverage because they are as qualified if not more

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"when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." i showed you this quote a week ago. like much. maya angelou's writing it stands the test of time. last week i used it to talk about donald trump.

today i'm talking about his attorney general, william barr. when i say his attorney general, i mean it. barr's actions suggest he's working in trump's national interest and not yours. back to the quote, none of us should be surprised because bill barr has given us a lot of clues as to who he is. in case you missed them, let me refresh your memory. june 8th, 2018, bill barr and president trump sent an unsolicited memo to rod rosenstein writing that robert mueller should not be able to question donald trump as part of his investigation. a position trump had already publicly voiced. think of this less as a memo and more of job application. dear mr. trump, if you make me your attorney general i'd make it clear that you don't answer toin, let alone -- answer toin, let alone robert mueller. i might stop you. that's me paraphrasing. it started with "the i am writing as a former official deeply concerned with the institutions of the presidency and the department of justice.

i realize that i am in the dark about many facts, but i hope my views will be useful." ump useful, indeed. eight months later he was attorney general. shortly after that the mueller investigation concluded. barr sent a letter to congress citing his conclusions and went on camera to tell the world that what he said was in the report except that he wasn't telling the truth. we wouldn't hear the truth until barr released this, the actual report, a month later on april 18th. that brings us to this week's -- this week, hours after trump tweeted calling for leniency for roger stone, the department of justice in what is being deemed a coincidence also called for a shorter sentence. in an unbelievable turn, barr took to the airwaves criticizing trump and saying that his tweets were making it impossible for him to do his work. well, since barr became attorney general, mr. barr seems to have done his job just fine. quietly and systematically. chipping away at institutional

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attorney general barr has informed us that he will not appear today, although we worked to accommodate his concerns, he objects to the prospect of answering questions by staff counsel. >> we didn't choose not to have mr. barr come. he chose. we cannot permit him or anybody in the administration to dictate the manner in which we function. >> last may, attorney general bill barr refused to show up to a scheduled hearing before the house judiciary committee about the special counsel's russia investigation. barr's justice department also refused to comply with a subpoena for the full, un-redacted mueller report. how can congress actually exerts its constitutional authority to enforce subpoenas when the executive branch noncompliance goes unchecked and unpunished? and that may be tested again in march because congressman nadler says the attorney general has agreed to testify amid concerns that he and the president are working to turn the justice

department into a political weapon. joining me now is as a member of the committee who he stood up last time, democratic congresswoman from texas sheila jackson lee. thank you for being here. great to see you this morning. i have to ask you, do you believe that bill barr will show up, and do you believe he will give you truthful answers? >> well, ali, good morning, and congratulations to you on this great hour. >> thank you. >> let me just characterize where we are today and then be able to assess whether the attorney general will act as the private lawyer in-house counsel of the white house and the president of the united states or whether or not he will understand his constitutional duty. the sadness is that the american people are watching the attorney general's office crumble before its very eyes. their very eyes. it is a before trump attorney general's office and an after trump attorney general's office. and the attorney general barr has gone like a wrecking ball beginning, of course, with his

article, but more importantly keeping from the american people the mueller report of which that was part of the reasoning that we wanted to have him before our committee. and then reinterpreting it so much that director mueller had to come out, i would say angr y angrily, to correct his attorney general. angrily. and tainted the whole understanding of the mueller report which ended as you well know that said if i could exonerate the president, i would. now the trail has continued, and i want to emphasize this as to whether or not we can poll our oversight responsibilities. we intend to do so. it's a fresh, new day. he has that responsibility to the congress to provide the congress both sides, house and senate, a response to how the justice department is being run. so there are many questions. as you well know, we'll ask about jesse liu and the back channel against for rudolph giuliani. we are appalled that there's a

back door to go after the president's political opponent -- >> i want to, in case viewers don't know what that's about, in addition to the shenanigans at the department of justice, there seems to be a second stream of activity in which there's a channel for gathering dirt on the bidens or whatever rudy giuliani is gathering. there's two justice departments running right now, and i understand what your responsibilities are and should be as the house judiciary committee in questioning the attorney general. i have to ask you, after the mueller report, after the fact that it was out there for a month before the rest of the country saw it and realized the conclusions were very different, after the impeachment acquittal, is there any consequence to the behavior that we've witnessed this week from attorney general bill barr? >> well, first of all, the attorney general works for the american people, but he also is the appointee of the president that is supposed to take care constitutionally and execute the laws properly of this nation.

president trump has consistently interfered with that task and that duty, and he's allowed his cabinet to do so, as well. certainly i don't want to project what we might do. but as you well know, a nonappearance can warrant a subpoena. we have the powers of contempt of congress. i don't want to prejudge what our chairman might do, what the committee might do. but i would just ask the question, ali, and i ask on behalf of the american people, i'm a public servant, i owe my allegiance to the nation and my constituents. attorney general barr is not a free agent. he's not just flighted himself to the top floor of the attorney general's office, the department of justice, which has been viewed as a very hallowed place. the question for attorney general barr who is an oath -- taken an oath, who's taken an oath as a lawyer, if he will make mockery of the constitutional process and responsibilities that we have,

if he chooses to do that, we'll have to assess what our next steps are. but the american people cannot go on and on without knowing why the justice department interfered with roger stone, why the laws that we pass regarding the reform of the federal bureau of prisons are not being implemented, why the civil rights division has been decimated, what kind of cases are being pursued by hard-working prosecutors, do they have the resources, and by the way, i just want to say this -- he's not being bullied by the president or the -- or the lawyers that he's speaking about, he's being addressed and challenged by life serving, long-serving prosecutors with integrity who took their opposition to his behavior and walked off a case and some walked out of the department of justi justice. it's not the president. it's not the newspapers. it's not the congress that's

boei bullying him. it's people with integrity saying enough is enough. that's what i think is the most important point. and they may be our allies that they're not going to tolerate the misbehavior of an attorney general of the united states. >> congresswoman, thanks for joining me. i'm deeply appreciative. democratic congresswoman sheila jackson lee, a member of the house judiciary committee, joining us this morning from houston. still ahead, taking on hate. white supremacist activity is on the rise around the country. and the house is trying to fight it in the form of new legislation. we're going to speak with new york congressman max rose. the bill's sponsor, up next. during wayfair's mattress markdowns event save up to 65% off top mattress brands. now through february 24th. score extra savings on mattresses from tempurpedic, serta, beautyrest and sealy, starting at just $399! kick back and relax while we do all the heavy lifting. because every single mattress ships free! you don't want to snooze on these deals. shop now through february 24th. only at wayfair.com.

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across the united states. the anti-defamation league centers on extremism reports. hate-related incidents have more than doubled over the past year. growing from 1,214 in 2008 to 2,713 in 2019. this was the fourth straight year of hate group growth which coincides with the trump campaign and presidency. recently fbi director chris wray offered up testimony before congress on the challenges that these groups present. >> we are particularly focused on domestic terrorism, especially racially or ethnically motivated, violent extremists. not only is the terror threat diverse, it's unrelenting. >> now according to the anti-defamation league, college campuses were a favorite breeding ground of white supremacist propaganda. this type of activity was found on 433 campuses across 43 states. joining me is democratic congresswoman mark rose, behind the house bill. we're also joined by christian

pitchalini, a one-time white supremacist leader and founder of the free radicals project which engages people, tries to disengage them from extremist movements. thanks to both of you for joining us. christian is the author of a book which comes out later thisw book titled "breaking hate, con fronting the new culture of extremism." >> you are an army veteran. you have fought for this country and one of the things that you understand, you wrote an article about this earlier is that this isn't just a u.s. domestic problem. this is actually a global threat that has a degree of organization that i think would surprise most americans. >> sure, one of the biggest misnomers about this issue of domestic terrorism that we're all thinking about right now is that it is domestic at all. in fact, this is a global movement that mirrors what we have seen from jihadist terrorists over the last 30 years. one example, there's the bah tallian in ukraine.

a knneo nazi fighter, they've ge to fight with the bah tallian. that is double the number that went to go fight during the entirety of the soviet union's war in afghanistan. a conflict that birthed al qaeda. so our argument is these transnational organizations need to be labeled by the state department so we can apply the same tool kit to these terrorists that we have applied to jihadist terrorists. >> this is interesting because its may seem new to some people for those of us that are not familiar with extremist korgizations but in 1988 you actually tried to become a foreign fighter fn an overseas extremist organization. >> that's right. you know, in 1988 when i was 15

years old i sent an application to the south african resistance movement because i wanted to go fight there against -- or for par tide. so this is sthaomething that's n gaining steam for decades. even people like david duke in 1999 moved to moscow and rented an apartment there. these are alliances that do deep. it is about organization worldwide and not domest mes gr. the congresswoman is absolute correct this is mimicking the early days of al qaeda and isis. >> you talk about a tool kit. we can apply a tool kit that we have and i think the underlying issue is we're actually better at fighting these things when you think of them as global organizatio organizations. >> absolutely. we don't have to think of them as global organizations. they are and we can choose as we

have been to ignore it. look at the organizations who have been response rl for terrorist attacks and murder. the base, rahm, each of them have global connections. what we can do is if we identify these global organizations as foreign terrorist organizations we then have the tool of providing material support to a terrorist organization. recently put out videos mimicking jihadi john waging war on jews and americans themselves. if at the end of that video if they said all praise be to al qaeda and isis, we could have aresed them but because of these organizations, national action, vanguard, blood and honor, all global groups because we haven't identified them as such, we have just protected it as free speech. >> christian, the base interesting name, it's exactly

the translation of al qaeda. what do -- with al qaeda or isis, the simplistic notion of you're doing this for god and it's oversimplified and perverted version of islam. that's understandable. how do you get desperate groups all over the world together to fight for these ideologies? what's the commonality? >> first of all these groups are anti democratic and anti government. they want to destroy western democracies. they often hide behind things like patriotism but if we had thousands of people, thousands of isis supporters and training in para military camps akoss the united states, making propaganda against american politicians and citizens we wouldn't hesitate to call them terrorists and to bring them down and despite that, what's happening is americans are now engaging in the same activities and we don't have the tools because we don't

have domestic terrorism laws to apply things like material support to be able to monitor their web activity and you know, other law enforcement things that can be unlocked if we designate these organizations as terrorists. i want to be very careful here, these groups are very fluid. their names change often but what doesn't change is their allegiance to a ideology that is hell bent. >> we don't have to branch out into domestic terrorism law necessarily although that is something i consider supporting but what we have to do is expand upon our notion or idea of what foreign terrorist organizations are right now and they include these neo nazi organizations. we've partnered on this. ali was an fbi agent in the runup to 9/11. he saw and witnessed al qaeda growing and he said this looks

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