inaugural show. we apparently didn't break anything. now it's time for something tried and trusted and true, my great friend joy reid when i always tell people, what are you doing over the weekend? so i can talk to joy all the time. this is a highlight of the show in a long shot. >> in a sense this is also a kidnapping because i have wanted to do a show back to back with you so long. i have coveted this moment. so excited about your new show. i'm a fan. i've been a fan since you've been on other networks. >> the feeling is mutual and we're going to spend a lot of these saturday mornings together. >> i need you to promise that from time to time you will come over to this show and be guest on with us and we'll drag your time out. >> i have always said the one thing you take very seriously, the economics of disparity and inequality in this country and around the world and that is something that has got to be a major topic this year as we head

into an election. >> that's the theme of the election. what's driving a lot of the political situations we're seeing now so we'll have a lot to talk about that. congratulations on the new show. >> thank you. >> thank you very much my friend. thank y'all for joining us. good morning and welcome to a.m. joy and happy post valentine's day. hope you had a lovely one, if you woke up this morning wondering what happened to your country, when exactly the president of the united states became a king or a mob boss, when did purges of the federal government become a thing? or the president directly intervening in federal court cases and attacking judges and directing his attorney general who to investigate and who to let off the hook, when did these things become a feature of our government and not just places in governments like russia and turkey. if you woke up wondering when we became that kind of country, thank a republican. republican congressman and women

sent donald trump a very clear message first by letting him off the hook when they knew he was guilty of obstructing them and ibecausing his office and then pretending to be concerned when he kept on corrupting his office and kept on corrupting every facet of the federal government. trump is now so 'emboldened, so comfortable displaying open corruption that he's actually admitting to the entire scheme that got him impeached. >> was it strange to send rudy giuliani to ukraine, your personal lawyer? >> not at all. rudy was a great crime fighter. you know that better than anybody in the room. >> i did it. he's so emboldened that he's openly purging anyone who dared to testify in his impeachment. >> when you look at the person he reports to, said horrible things, avoided the chain of

command, leaked. did a lot of bad things and so we sent him on his way to a much different location and the military can handle him any way they want. >> the president of the united states is so openly and thoroughly corrupt at this point that it is unnecessary that he even -- that he even hide it. he openly singling who he wants his attorney general, his attorney general to go after and who he wants him to let off. and we're now supposed to believe that of all the people in trump world, william barr would cover up general from all the way back from the reagan bush days that that guy will protect us from trump's lawle lawlessness? >> if he were to say go investigate somebody because -- in a sense it's because they're a political opponent than an attorney general wouldn't carry that out. i'm not going to be bullied or influenced by anybody. >> except he might take some instructions from twitter.

so what's important is recognizing it when you see it. that you see what you are seeing, that you believe your eyes, that you don't try to pretend that it isn't there. and in barr's case it's important that you watch what he does rather than listen to what he says and what he's already done is to instill his own -- install his own special prosecutor to review the investigation into trump's briefly serving first national advisor michael flynn. what he's already done is to intervene in the sentencing of trump's roger stone. what he's already done is to corrupt the department of justice just as surely as donald trump has corrupted the republican party and the rest of the federal government. you can believe that because you're seeing it. so well done, gop. and as baker recently noted in the "new york times," ralph seemed to see it. when you strike at a king, you

must kill. baker said trump would emerge from impeachment ready to claim exoneration and take his case of grievance, persecution and resentment to the campaign trail and you know how we know that peter baker was right? because trump himself tweeted it this morning. he tweeted that exact quote. that quote from the peter baker column as a boast. joining me now former trump campaign advisor. justice correspondent at the nation and former federal prosecutor. i'm going to start with you at the table. what we now have is an attorney general who shortly after and they would claim coincidentally moved for a lighter sentence for roger stone after donald trump tweeted that he should get a lighter sentence who's now investigating the investigators of donald trump's collusion with

russia. essentially putting on notice people who used to work for the fbi and the cia, that they are now subject to investigation and who's now intervening in the michael flynn case. you as a federal prosecutor, have you ever seen anything like this and is there any reason we should trust what william barr said on abc news? >> no, when he went on tv and said i'm pleased to report the president has never asked me to investigate anybody or intervene in any case all i could think of was michael cohen's testimony when he said the president doesn't have to ask us to do his dirty bidding, we know what he wants, but we have the president asking bill barr to intervene in the roger stone via tweet and bill barr did just that. so you know, it's absurd that bill barr says i didn't intervene because the president sent out a tweet saying it's a miscarriage of justice what these prosecutors just asked for

seven to nine years for roger stone's 7 pretty consequential felony offenses. so yeah, bill barr is not to be believed. you know, from day one, joy, at his confirmation hearing he lied. he committed perjury. kamala harris asked him, did anybody at the white house including the president ask you to open an investigation or suggest you should open an investigation? what did he say? you know, i'm grappling with the word suggest. here's smart guy bill barr, you know what suggests means and if somebody asks you the question what's your middle name and i don't remember what my middle name is, that's perjury. we don't have to accent i don't remember as being truthful. he perjured himself from day one. >> and republicans used to take that line when people such as myself said it is absurd to have impeached bill clinton and they said yeah but they committed perjury. when asked did you have sexual relations with that woman he said no.

they were like that's good enough to impeach a president but now you have william barr saying intimated? said, suggested he couldn't answer. i want to stay with you for one more moment because there's a piece in the "new york times" that talks about prosecutors now actually responding to what they're seeing because they're actually seeing what they're seeing. these are smart people. prosecutors across the united states just spoke on the the anonymity to the "new york times" saying they've already been warry of working on any case that might catch mr. trump's attention and the stone episode only deepened their concern. they were worried that mr. barr might not support them in politically carriaged cases. if there is a fear of going after crimes that you see but being afraid to prosecute them because those may touch the president of the united states and you will not be supported by the attorney general of the united states, what does that do to the rule of law. >> bill barr and trump burning down the department of justice. whether that's the intent i

don't know but that's the effect of what that he they're doing. if i knew that i was going to be assigned to difficult case with political implications, first of all, consequences be damned i'm working that case on behalf of the american people but if i knew that when i reached a decision that was based on the evidence and i prosecuted somebody in accordance with that evidence and i had some political hacks coming behind me ready to punish me and fire me and ruin my life and ruin my career, might that make me think twice about how i'm going to handle that case in the first instance or whether i'm going to stay with the department of justice at all or get the heck out to save myself and my family, a lot of people have decided to remain to try to save the country, not save themselves, but it's a tough call when bill barr has basically decimated and cut the legs out from under career public servant after career public servant. >> look what he did to lieutenant colonel vinman and his brother.

he frog marched both of them and the brother, he didn't even do anything. he had nothing to do with the impeachment case. he's showing you what he'll do to you and these are people with families, mortgages, maybe kids in college. it's easy to say everybody be brave and take on donald trump but if it's your life it's your livelihood or what he may be going to prison. >> and it proves to us that the president will come to you and he'll come after your family. i mean, this is where we are. >> and sam, you know donald trump, this is who he is, right? this is mob behavior. >> in the iron any is that bill barr who went in there to protect the executives is going to find the man on an island. he's not going going to face a criticism as we heard from glen, he's not going to face criticism in the "new york times" and "washington post" but he's going to face critical sim in the media echochamber and you'll see a toxic moment between barr and

president trump. whether you saw this in the interview this week on abc where barr was even willing to criticize the president's tweets saying it makes him unmanageable, what he's going to find is he's no longer a hero in the new york post and he's going to then see whether or not he's going to want to keep this job and it could lead to another constitutional crisis before the presidency and i think that's where the president doesn't know if he can issue these pardons which he surely wants to issue for flynn and stone before the election. it will be interesting to watch. >> and part of that is because you know, as much power as barr has he can't force a grand jury to diet people. the mccabe case is proof that he may want to, you know, punish all of donald trump's enemies but he would have to get a lot of collusion from a lot of grand jurors in order to bring cases and he can't move all the cases to the most conservative federal districts. he's got to do them where he's supposed to do them so if the

eastern district in virginia or the new york district, if they're not willing to go along with it there may be a limit to what he can do or is there? >> i think we should be deeply concerned, and to your point, joy, are there other aspects of our criminal justice system that have some checks and balances? of course. it's very easy to get grand juries generally to allow you to move forward with the prosecution. that's normally not -- if you have evidence, any scrap of evidence you can usually get that done but i want to go back to what i think is really the focal point here or should be, and that is, you know, let's say -- one of the things that barr said is actually i -- i made this decision on roger stone before donald trump's tweet and bill barr is a very smart man so the likelihood that he has some kind of paper trail to back that up it's not -- i'm going to say there probably is something that backs that up for him because he said it publicly

and he has to testify before the house. but here's the thing. that should not give us any comfort. and the reason is that the fact -- whether the president directed it or not is bill barr understood that his role was to go after donald trump's enemies even if he wasn't asked. and i think that's the bigger issue is it doesn't matter if trump asks or not. and that's the deeper corruption here. and so the fact that he has so much power and that to your point, which i think was important, so much power that intimidates just everyday line attorneys to think twice before they do what is right is exactly the kind of corruption of our democratic institutions that we simply cannot afford and so whether or not the right wing media goes after him i don't know. whether or not we have some

grand juries and some individual cases that decline, the mere fact of investigation can be very devastating to anyone and is its own retribution and that we just cannot let stand. you make the deal with the devil, you do the devil's work. >> right and i'm going to go to ellie as well to cap on this. you have donald trump tweeting ak at william barr after barr says no, i'm not being influenced at all. the president has never asked you to do anything in a criminal case ag barr. i have simply chosen not to. so he's still telling him what he wants. it is like michael cohen says he let i don't say i know what he wants and you just sort of know what he wants and you now have roger stone, because donald trump is actively tweeting about his conviction now he's saying i want a new trial. he's filed a motion saying i want a new trial so there are ways in which donald trump is

manipulating the legal system and getting people to poke their head up saying i want a new trial. he may not serve any prison time because donald trump is packing him up. >> he's tampered with all thens withes and he's going to continue to do it. i don't care what he tweets at who or what barr said it's all theater, they're all liars, i do not care what they say. what i care about is what we're going to do about it. everybody here knows that what barr is going is immoral, illegal and unjust. we've known that since he was appointed. we've known that since november when he gave a speech announcing his view of executive power. we know what barr is. so what are we going to do about it? i aflaud the prosecutors who have resigned over the stone case. that's four guys. there are five thousand federal prosecutors across 94 offices in this nation. if 2,000 of them resign tomorrow, that would be a thing. and i agree with glen. i agree it's a tough call.

i agree with you, joy, that we're asking a lot of people to put their careers on the line to protest this authoritarian but during authoritarianism much must be asked and we are in a period where much must be asked to stand up to this man. if we're going to do something we need a thousand people out of d.c., out of new york, out of san francisco who can all get jobs tomorrow, high paying law jobs tomorrow, we need them to stand now, we need them so they enough is enough and we need tome this resign. we need protests in the streets we need to do all that we have left to do which is to shout and scream and shake our fists against the dying of the light. >> or, we'll go to david, or the ips tu institution that the constitution set up to skon train the president could do something about it and here we

have the republican party, your former party, which is in control of the united states senate where senators all but mitt romney voted alling to to acquit donald trump on both counts including obstructing them. the obstruction of congress means obstructing them, meaning when they send a subpoena to the white house, the white house can say i spit on your subpoenas and they said that's okay with us and corrupting the office of president and corruption is not exactly a crime. right? they said it's fine. >> that's exactly right. >> and from that supine position already taking the knee, susan collins, ron johnson of wisconsin, tom tillis and others then tried to cling with donald trump who they've now empowered as almost a king, please, sir,

don't fire mr. sondeland. don't fire this guy because i know he gave you a million dollars but he also gives money to us. he's our donor. please, sir, please. and donald trump said tough. he said ha. what makes republicans think they have any power at all now? >> joy, i don't know if they do greater scoring for how disinogen win in this moment but look, a couple things. amen to everything elie said and on the bill barr thing i've got to say everything bill barr says has to be taken in the four resignations and withdrawal from the case. that is obvious to each of those senators you mentioned and for those senators, we focus on collins and alexander and others who say i hope he learned his lesson and it's important to look at them and they should

suffer humiliation for those statements but we have to look at the class of senators like mcconnell and cruz and black burn and rick scott. those who actually fully turned the ire on to the house and suggested the house was involved in something untoward, even an abuse of power by the house of representatives, using the impeachment tool. look at the contrast of those arguments compared to trump's behavior post acquittal. joy, this is on the republican party as a whole. there is no post trump republican party for a generation. the republican party reputation has right by listen destroyed at the end of did but more importantly by those who have enabled him. there are 23 senate republican seats up in november. that's what we do about it because we do need to remove donald trump from the white house but if it doesn't happen we need a full check of a responsible congress on this president. >> absolutely. what do you make of -- you talked about the other day, but

people like general kelly and john bolton who come out and tweet, john bolton apparently doesn't have the kahones to testify in the house, but he quantities to sell a book and he thinks it's bad that vinman was fired and he thinks john kelly is a good guy. they're tweeting, these people enable donald trump this whole time. do they get any credit from you for tweeting? >> no, not an ounce. one of the conone brums you heard at the beginning is i can do more for the country if i serve. i plaed a reference the other day, a lot of these people, they're like the first mate on the titanic. yes, i knew the captain was to go for the iceberg but my job is to help the captain do what he wanted to do. for the john kellys, for the boltons, the greater calling is

for truth in the moment. it's not to support the president who's leading the nation in the wrong direction. it's to us, the american people, not to the president who's using the power for his own political and personal interest. it's a shame, i knew john kelly, i actually do have a personal respect for john kelly given some of this things we worked on together but he is indicative of people who decided to serve this president and destroy their reputation in the process. >> and participating in the muslim ban, locking up little kids and here's donald trump talking about the lessons he's learned from impeachment. >> what lesson did you learn from impeachment? >> that the democrats are crooked. they've got a lot of crooked things going, that they're vicious, that they shouldn't have brought impeachment. >> what he's learned, glen, is

that he is -- as he tweeted this morning, the king. >> you know, when he said that he has learned from having to go through the impeachment experience that the dems are vicious, its really is and i hate to go back to a bank robbery analogy but it's like the bank robber who is now being marched off to prison convicted of robbing the bank being asked what have you learned from being convicted and he says i've learned the bank needs better security. it's ridiculous and with when he hear that bill barr is going to investigate the mike flynn guilty plea, let's go back to a bank robbery analogy. that's like we have a bank robbery, we caught the bank robber with the money in his house, with the you know, the big bag of money with a dollar sign on it, he gets hauled into court, he pleads guilty under oath to robbing the bank and then bill barr says now, we need to launch an investigation to see if there was ever a bank robbery in the first instance.

michael flynn went into court in front of judge sullivan a lion of our d.c. federal bench, took an oath and said judge sullivan i am guilty of this offense. and bill barr is going to try to undermine that? well, guess what? if mike flynn was lying to the judge sullivan about being guilty of perjury, then he gets prosecuted for that. >> absolutely. let's play -- because the sort of underlying crime here that he was -- that trump was impeached for was of course trying to, you know, extort ukraine by saying i don't have to give you this aid that congress passed. i'm not going to give it to you until you get me dirt on my political opponents. here is the president of ukraine this week on cnn. >> now i'm very popular in usa. what i didn't want to find such

way. but you know, but if this way will help ukraine, i'm ready for next call with mr. trump. >> and david to go back to you, he still needs the united states. he still has to perform for donald trump. everyone is basically -- must be obedient at this point. the republicans have been to be obedient because they'll go after him and they're afraid of his crowds or whatever. mike pompeo, so openly -- secretly meeting with the foreign minister of russia, he gets to do that now. everyone can either be free to do what they want, free to do corruption, free to sneak off and trump is saying now he's going to hide all of his phone calls with foreign leaders and no one is going to do anything about it. >> yeah, and we're living in a moment where the conduct of our

founders has really been tested. they gave immense power to the president of the united states. and donald trump, one of the deceptive defenses he like to put out is well, the president has these powers. if they are executed with corrupt intent or if they are manipulated for his personal benefit, not for his official capacity, then it is an abuse of that power and it is impeachable and so the ukraine matter is a perfect example of that. this is a president who violated the control act. he broke the law to further his personal interests and he was able to do so to extract a foreign leader's interest because they depend on the united states. and in doing so, donald trump cheated us, the american people, out of a president who should be following the law and should be abiding by the foreign policy interests of the nation, not of donald trump. he is going to continue to do this. it is going to test our founders con trukt and it's a very

fragile time we're liveriing in. ultimately, it might be the worst argument they could have made because voters have an opportunity to reject everything donald trump is standing for in this moment. >> if there's a i fair and free election, it is ihighly likely e will seek foreign help to get re-elected. >> he certainly would accept it. he said that during this impeachment process, just, you know, behind the scenes i spoke to senator and he said to me, this guy just makes my life so difficult. i don't get it. and i said, well welcome to everybody that's ever worked with the president. what he will do is show them -- le's going to shun them as well and the only thing he really learned from this apparently to me was not that rudy giuliani in the white house the next day when he celebrated winning in the senate and what you're going to end up seeing is some people

actually putting some distance in front of him, believe it or not, in the senate some of these elections. susan collins, cori gardener, the one hope they say is we hope bernie sanders is the nominee because it's bloomberg we're in trouble. >> and so if the hope is an election you have to hope the election is actually free and fair. that's the challenge. >> july 2016, joy, russia, are you listening? so america, are you listening? i mean, donald trump has said and made clear from 2016 to today he will absolutely use foreign interference in a u.s. election. he has paid almost no attention to the very important lessons of the mueller report, which is, not just russia, russia, yes, we've also learned from our intelligence services, it's

other nations as well interfering with u.s. elections. so here is the thing. we have to consider whether or not we are fighting for the republic or we're fighting against each other and it can't be each other. it has to be the republic. >> elie, you know, i find it amusing that, you know, sam is saying that some republicans may now want to say we acquitted the guy, now we're free and clear, maybe we'll put some distance between us. donald trump swallowed the republican party whole. it's gone. >> republicans own every crime, misdeed, norm breaking, they own it all for the rest of their lives. this period is in susan collins obitua obituary. this period. this is what they bought. can we talk about just right at the end the fact that trump is also trying to crime in public against new york? he's doing it again and again

and again and again. there are no checks anymore. there are no stops on him. the only -- the only stop then becomes us the people. democracy is a contact sport. and we are getting punked because trump does not believe we have as a people the strength to stand against them. we have to prove him wrong. >> yeah, he doesn't know the attorney general in new york. >> thank you guys. maya is going to stick around for a while. we've got so much to discuss including who might be next. oh, goody on trump's hit list, coming up. ♪ applebee's new irresist-a-bowls

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has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone, yes or no, please sir? >> the president or anybody else. >> seems you'd remember something like that and be able to tell us. >> yeah, but i'm trying to grapple with the word suggest. i mean, there have been discussions of matters out there that they have not asked me to open an investigation, but. >> perhaps they suggested. >> i don't know. i wouldn't say suggest. >> hinted? >> i don't know. >> inferred? you don't know. okay. >> implied? the flip side of attorney general william barr letting donald trump's criminal friends off the hook is the possibility that he might go after some of trump's enemies and with trump demanding retribution against anyone who's crossed him and their brother literally who's next on the hit list?

joining me now former federal prosecutor who has worked with william barr and cynthia, the barr moment has been chilling i think even in a lot of ways more than donald trump moment in this history. i don't know if you agree with that but i want to play for you william barr's self-defense this week on abc. here it is. >> public statements and tweets made about the department, about people in the department, our men and women here, about cases pending in the department, and about judges before whom we have cases make it impossible for me to do my job and to assure the courts and the prosecutors and the department that we're doing our work with integrity. >> now, of course, donald trump then of course quote tweeted him and then said i can do whatever i want and i can ask him to do whatever i want him to do. do you believe william barr when

he says what he said in that interview that he says he is not influenced by the president, that that would never happen that he would try to influence the department of justice, trump? >> no, i don't believe him at all. i think he's got a crisis within the justice department and i didn't work with him i worked for him just like i worked for janet reno. think hi he's got a crisis in the united states attorney's office and he's trying to cover for that and trying to get control of the organization. but nobody really believes him. i mean, inside, this is the guy who has discredited the russia investigation. he lied about what mueller's findings were. he stood around while mueller and federal judges and jurors have been disrespected and attacked. he has opened up this, you know, area for giuliani to report to him which is totally improper. he has intervened in the stone

case. he's redoing the flynn case. this is not anybody who is not doing the president's bidding. he is the henchman for the president and he's changed the department of justice from a place where our goal has always been to do impartial justice and to be the avengers for truth and i mean, it sounds so courty but we're also proud of it those who work there and we work so hard to do what's right and he's completely changed that and essentially flattened the building. we have a huge problem with the entire generation of young people. i have four kids and they're in their young 20s. this is what they think the norm is. when i tell them oh, no it wasn't like that in the justice department. i was doing civil rights cases. i was prosecuting police officers who were abusing people. i was fighting against prison guard x they look at me like i'm crazy. that's not what a department of justice does. the department of justice is the hinchman for the president. so an entire generation of kids

who have to be re-educated about what truth and justice is. >> i think re-education is a good word to use because it feels like that is what the trump administration is about. trying to normal lyse and make the public think this is normal. why do you think bill barr was doing it? he was called the cover up general by a conservative columnist because he covered up iran contrarelated ents by pushing for pardons so he has a reputation for being a partisan, but why do you think -- this is more than just partisanship. why do you think that he is behaving as the hand of king. >> i don't know and he's destroyed his reputation. on some level, i remember the pardons, but he was still a person who worked within the frame work within the department of justice on some levels but he's not doing it at all here and he's destroyed his reputation. the question is what happens

next. we had the abc interview and we had the dismissal of the mccabe case. not to be a little black helicopter but at the same time he did that, there were also bringing in and reinvestigating the russia case, they're reinvestigating flynn, they're looking at the stone case. i just don't see andrew mccabe as being out of the woods because everything is being renavs gaited. he -- reinvestigated. i don't see him exerting any independence at all and it's very dangerous for the country and for the department. >> do you ultimately believe that william barr will jail people like andrew mccabe, will jail people like comey, do you think he will actually attempt to put these people in prison for donald trump? because donald trump is very angry that mr. mccabe is not in prison right now. >> i think he will do everything

in his power to do that and i also think he will stand by when the president pardons flynn and manafort and stone. >> you think giuliani as well. >> oh, yeah, absolutely. >> that is what's coming and it may not come until the day after the election whether trump wins or loses, but i think you'd be naive to think that all those men will not be pardoned. >> very quickly, could william barr himself face jeel jeopardy in the next administration for anything that he's done? >> well, there are -- there is the questioning that you just had with senator harris, which apparently is not true. or looks like it isn't true. i don't -- i don't know. i think it's too soon to tell that. i really don't know. i don't know the answer to that. >> yeah, well, thank you very much. really appreciate you being here. thank you for the wisdom on

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most of the times when i get stopped, i'm walking down the block. they never say, this is why i'm stopping you. when you're young and you're black, no matter how you look, you fit the description. i've been taken in a lot of times because if you're stopping me, i want to know why. and that's when you can hit a change in their tone. they start to get a little more aggressive, and you feel threatened. they were like if you're going to talk back we're going to take you in. by the time i was 15 to 18, i would say i was stopped, questioned and frisked, 50 to 70 the times. >> that clip was part of a documentary in 2012 and that young man was one of countless black and brown boys and men in new york city subjected to the notorious stop and frisk policy

that was in place when mike bloomberg was the city's mayor. now bloomberg, who's running for president as a -- let me see, checking my notes here, is a democrat is facing questions once again after that policy after an audio recording of a speech he gave in 2015 emerged this week. >> 95% of your murders and murderers and murder victims fit the one m.o. you can just take the description, xerox it and pass it out to all the cops. they are male minorities 16 to 25. that's true in new york and virtually every city. you want to spend the money on a lot of cops in the streets. put the cops where the crime is, which means in minority neighborhoods. so one of the unintended consequences is people say oh my god you're arresting kids for marijuana that are minorities. yes, that true, why?

because that's where the crime is. the way you get there is to throw them up against the wall and frisk them. >> with this stain on his record back in the spotlight, bloomberg and his campaign have spent this week trying to get everyone to unhear those comments. the next day they released these pictures of a meeting he had with black faith leaders in new york city about his faith outreach program. the campaign announced the endorsement of three prominent members of the congressional black congress. and bobby rush, a cofounder of the illinois chapter of the black panther party and a friend and colleague of the late, great fred hampton who had originally endorsed kamala harris for president endorsed mike bloomberg last month. even supporting the opening of a bloomberg office. here's what bloomberg told supporters in tennessee. >> why did you say what you said

in that 2015 speech? >> i don't think those words reflect what -- how i led the most diverse city in the nation. and apologized for the practice and the pain that it caused. >> but why did you say it? >> it was five years ago, and, you know, it's just not the way that i think. and it doesn't reflect what i do every day. >> but during his three terms as new york city mayor, he defended the policy, despite a major lawsuit brought against new york city in 2008. the federal judge in the case ruled that new york's use of stop and frisk was unconstitutional. a key piece of evidence was a study conducted by a professor at columbia lawsuit, huniversit.

his findings arrests take place in less than 6% of all stops, a hit rate that is lower than the rates of arrests and seizures in random checkpoints. and the rate is 0.15 out of 100 stops. in other words it does virtually nothing when it comes to fighting crime. it doesn't work. while at the same time it takes a devastating, emotional and psychological toll on the communities of color that are targeted. it puts the black and brown men in contact with the police, makes them feel less than human and that trauma lasts. and yet black voters, i can testify to this personally are seriously considering bloomberg anyway because for many of them, anything is better than trump. but is just anything good enough? joining me now is congressman bobby rush, campaign cochair for mike bloomberg 2020. thank you for being here. >> joy, thank you very much my

sister. i appreciate the invitation. >> thank you. and you are a legendary person. so i want to ask all of these questions to you but i'm prefacing it to the deep respect i have for you and everything you've done. >> and contributed to this country. i want to challenge you just a little bit for your work on the mike bloomberg campaign, but with respect. many democrats, including some black ones appear willing to turn a blind eye to michael bloomberg's past. he's filling the airwaves and turning liberals in amnesia. given all you experienced and have gone through, including with police. is mike bloomberg the best option for black people? >> yes, i think that mike

bloomberg is the best option. that's the reason i agreed to endorse him. that's the reason why i became the co-chairman of his campaign. i believe he's the only one right now who can defeat donald trump. and i think that has to be our number one priority is defeating donald trump. but joy, first of all, i'm not a liberal. i don't like that title associated with me. i'm -- if you want to -- i'm more of a progressive than a liberal. but notwithstanding that, let me just say that, you know, in african-american community, we, as many -- we all agree, you know -- we want to have a safe community.

but we also know that we are victims. you know, and each one of those candidates, who are before us now as democratic nominees, they all have had to apologize to us in the african-american community for some injury. and i think that bloomberg's apology -- first of all, he had to own the issue. and i think that he has to do more to show -- to prove to us that he really owns this issue. you know, you have to own the issue. you have to apologize. then you got to seek repentance. and repentance shows -- or represents appreciation and respect for the person you injured. and then you have to show us some atonement. i think mike bloomberg has moved through all of those phases. i think he's the only one that

can beat our enemy, public enemy number one, and that's donald trump. >> i understand that -- trust me, i talk to a lot of black voters and they're like get rid of trump at almost any cost. on this idea of mike bloomberg that he has addressed and atoned -- or tried to atone for what he did, this is statements about his comments in 2015. he said i inherited the police affordable care act tis of stop and frisk, and as part of our effort to stop gun violence, it was overused. i cut it back by 95% but i should have done it faster and sooner. i regret that and i have apologized. and i have taken responsibility for taking too long to understand the impact it on black and latino communities. i find it hard to believe that he couldn't understand the impact it had on block and brown communities. as somebody that's a new yorker, stop and frisk was part and

parcel of what he was doing. he had these taxes that let rich people move to, say, brownsville, but the people who had been there now scared people. brownsville had a rated of stop and frisk -- there's a chart we can show you, hopefully my team can get that up. where just brownsville alone, starting to have like cute little homes that rich folk want to buy, look at the spike on the left. my god brother was a cop, even he acknowledged this was just about policing black people in neighborhoods that rich white people wanted to live in. how could he not know that? >> joy, i think that what mike bloomberg -- the mistake that he made was of the head and not in the heart. he understood the -- what the data showed. but he had to understand what he

did, and i think he does understood that now. i think his heart is speaking right now. his head said crime was prevalent in the community therefore stop and frisk was the policy that he inherited. a policy that he's going to keep administrating. but then, after these -- we spoke to the heart, after he shows the injury that he was causing young black men, young black fell las, i think at that point in time he began to understand not from his head but from his heart. and i believe that he made policies in new york better after stop and frisk for everybody. stop and frisk along with many issues in chicago. it's a national issue, stop and frisk is not just a localized issue in new york. and so, it's a -- and the gentry

f -- gent few indication is also a national issue. at this point in time, i believe mike bloomberg, especially to an initiative, the only specific plan he has, that any of the candidates have, that will really speak to an economic disparity that exists in the african-american community. the initiative speaks to the problems that we all confronting. the problems we're confronting right here today. >> i'm short on time, so two more questions for you. one on the idea of repairing some of this damage. in gaining your endorsement and gaining you as a national co-chair, did mike bloomberg make any promises? we know evanston, illinois is doing a reparations program, they're using taxes on the sales of cannabis to give direct

reparation to african-american who have been over criminalized. has mike bloomberg made concrete promises of things he'll do? he could pay college scholarships for every person stopped and frisked during his time. has he made concrete promises in exchange for your support? >> the plan, specifically dealing with economic disparity in the black community. a million new black homeowners in the first ten year. 100,000 new african-american businesses in the first ten years. leading the effort for criminal justice reform. all of this speaks to specifics that mike bloomberg has committed to. and i'm saying that mike bloomberg is a man who will make sure that these promises are promises that he will keep and

these promises that will become the real deal. look, i believe that mike bloomberg we know his words that he use with stop and frisk, i believe that mike bloomberg has asked the black community to forgive him. he's asked for repentance, and i believe his atonement is specified in an agreement, a plan, husba plan. >> last question before i let go you. this is an uncomfortable question but i feel i have to ask it. there's a lot of questions among constituents, not just yourself, but has mike bloomberg committed to support financially the campaigns of his endorsers? has he committed -- >> not me.

i have not asked mike bloomberg for one red cent. i do not -- i will not ask him for one red cent. let me just tell you, i've been out here too long to be bought off by anybody. if i did not believe in michael bloomberg, that he would be able to defeat donald trump and if i did not believe that after he won that he would be someone that would be a friend and ally and supporter of the black community, i would not be in his campaign. >> thank you, sir. >> to me he's above everybody else. >> congressman bobby rush, a legend in the city of chicago. let's bring in vince warren, maya wiley, and brittany cunningham. thank you all for being here.

i'm going to start at the table. it's difficult to question somebody like bobby -- i revere bobby rush. >> we all do. >> it's difficult to ask the questions. there's the michael bloomberg reality, you were involved in the campaign for black lives where this is the thing we were fighting about, whether black life had any value, it was treated as valueless in new york, it was a numbers game. stop as many black and brown people as you could, sometimes three, four, five, six a dozen times to make sure to keep the numbers up, to keep tabs on them, keeping them scared. and they never got guns. it's difficult for voters to say i can vote for this man after that. >> i have so much respect as you do for congressman rush. and i struggle with this, though. in many part because we know that mike bloomberg has asked for forgiveness, but the other end of that equation is whether

or not we decide to. >> -- or not we decide to give it, give it in the form of a vote. as we think about what's happening across new york city and this country, this is why activists are saying that trump is not the virus, he's a symptom. the virus is white supremacy and systematic racism, that happens in democratic led cities, republican led cities across the country. when we think about the mindsets that lead to policies like stop, question and frisk. we have to recognize there's something scary there. i think what we have to be honest about though is for so many of us that is disqualifying. to be part of a policy like that, expand a policy like that, is disqualifying, but for some people it's not only not disqualifying, it's discomforting because the idea we should be disciplining black

and brown people to behave better instead of putting the issue on white folks to work on white supremacy and racism. >> it's easy to single out mike bloomberg because he was a republican and to sort of single him out. but we face right now, i think i tweeted the other day, the choices that black americans have right now are the guy who wrote the crime bill, a guy who voted for the crime bill, mr. stop and frisk, the guy who did stop and frisk, a former prosecutor from minnesota who a 16-year-old boy sits in his frizz for t -- in prison for the rest of his life and he's probably innocent. a young mayor who's on the rise but his problematic relationship with the black community with a fired black fire chief, police

chief, is a problem, right. and elizabeth warren. like that's your -- and she's a woman, so we can't have that. the choices are -- it's not as if michael bloomberg is the only one with problematic issues and running as tough on crime is something that all of them have done. they've all said tough on crime, that's a reason to vote for me. >> absolutely. this is a problem we have in the country with the democrats you can't be elected until you're tough on crime. tough on crime essentially means we're going to do what we can to criminalize, put in jail black folks for the safety of white folks and then say here's why we're not racist, we're going to put money into education and black male achievement. it's a white supremacist strategy that is being sold to people as a public safety strategy. let me say three things about bloomberg if i can, it's important to break these things down. thing number one, he said he inherited this policy.

he did inherit it, but he expanded it greatly from 97,000 stops in 2002 to a total of 700,000 in 2011. that was -- rudy giuliani was the previous mayor. that was more than rudy giuliani could have ever dreamed of doing in terms of apportioning blame for black people. number two, he said he reduced it by 95%. here's the thing that nobody is talking about. you know, congressman rush and other people are talking about the change of heart. there was no change of heart. the day that our judge in the case that the center of constitutional rights did said this is going to be a class action case that expands from four plaintiffs to over 100,000 plaintiffs, that same day the new york city police department issued a memo that said, by the way we're not going to do the stop and frisk thing anymore, that's when it went down. not because the mayor had a

change of heart, thought it was wrong, anybody in the police department thought it was wrong but because we were winning in our lawsuit and the public pressure happening. the last thing i would say with respect to whether you have a change of heart or not, number one wouldn't it be great, wonderful, if our elected officials decided to apologize and seek forgiveness when they were not running for office. instead of saying the form of forgiveness and absolution i would like is for you to vote for me. that's kind of crazy. i think that era should be over in our politics. >> i didn't have time to get into it with the congressman. but there's the exonerated five, the central park five, am i wrong, wasn't it the bloomberg administration that fought against the settlement? >> fought tooth and nail against that settlement, the black firefighter case, fought tooth and nail against our challenge

of muslim spying in new york and new jersey along with the aclu and other groups, tooth and nail the entire time. and then a month before he announces, there's a massive policy. who's going for that these days? >> but wait, there's more. so let's listen to mike bloomberg talking about red lining and its relationship in his view to the financial crisis in 2008. >> red lining, if you remember, was the term where banks took whole neighborhoods and said people in these neighborhoods are poor, they're not going to be able to pay off their mortgages, tell your salesmen don't go into those areas and then congress got involved, local elected officials as well, went in, that's not fair, they should be able to get credit. and then banks started making more and more loans where the credit of the person buying the house wasn't as good as you

would like. >> a statement from the campaign, mike's saying that something bad the financial crisis followed something good, which is the fight against red lining. he was part of as mayor. mike has detailed plans for how he will help a million more black families buy a house and counter act the effects of redlining. maya, your thoughts? >> so what i will say is michael bloomberg has been a true believer in all that he has said in the past. and like maya angelou said, when someone tells you who they are, believe them and i would add, if someone suddenly starts telling you they're someone different, question them. so one of the things to understood -- i just want to go back to tyquan, by my friend

made that documentary. one of the things that michael bloomberg has taken credit for is education, we could talk about housing too, but i want to start there, because of the human cost, tyquan -- this got cut from the documentary, and i was very sad it did. but tyquan talks about the fact that he drops out of high school as a result of constantly being stopped by police officers and frisked. and when they started coming to school and you were in danger of being thrown up against the lockers, when he was in school, he was so traumatized, he stopped going. so we're not talking about something theoretical. when he talks about his record on education and schools, that too is inflated. and we have seen more segregation -- racial seg agr segregation in our schools as a

result of bloomberg era policies, including if you're the mom taking care of other people's children, barely earning enough to make ends meet, he didn't support paid family leave policies but he also said you are not going to have advanced kindergarten opportunities unless you can afford to pay for private tutoring. there's a long list of things that hurt black and brown people in new york city and mike bloomberg believed them. >> yeah. there's a statistic for the "new york times," 50,000 stops between 2006 and 2010, they recovered 25 guns. it wasn't an effective policy but at the same time i'm telling y'all right now, i'm talking to a lot of black folks around the country they want trump gone. with all of this said, a lot of people want him gone, gone, gone, and this guy has $60 billion, it's going to be an interesting choice to make. vince warren? >> they should want him gone based on what he's done. in an era where the truth ceases

to matter telling the truth becomes more important. i think what the black community also wants is people who are going to tell the truth about what happened and people they can believe in moving forward. >> and don't buy third terms in office that don't exist under our constitutional structure in the city. >> and don't buy their way into an election. >> it's a -- this is a difficult race, y'all. i wish we had more time. thank you all very much. up next, new trouble for republican congressman jim jordan. more "a.m. joy" coming up. yes! yes. yes. yeah sure. yes yes. yeah, yeah no problem. yes. yes, yes a thousand times yes! discover. accepted at over 95% of places in the u.s.

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tim jordan called me crying, y crying, groveling on the fourth of july begging me to go against my brother, begging me crying for a half hour. that's the kind of coverups that's going on there. >> he's a former captain of the osu wrestling team who testified before ohio lawmakers this week on a bill that would change the statute of limitations so all victims of a former osu doctor can sue the university for damages. he told them that not only did jim jordan, who was an assistant coach at osu from 1987 to 1995 and other school officials know at the time about lewd behavior and abuse by one of the physicians but the now

republican congressman called him in july 2018 asking him to refute his own brother's account that the doctor's abuse was common knowledge among the program. jim jordan has denied knowing about the abuse. we received a statement, quote, another lie congressman jordan never saw or heard of any abuse and if he had he would have dealt with it. joining me now is adam. thank you for being here. >> thank you, joy. >> your testimony was very moving. but now, the congressman is saying that -- calling you a liar. your response, sir? >> well, in his statement he didn't say that he didn't call me. i find that amusing, because, you know, he's -- you knows that he called me that day, and there's proof and he doesn't want to go there.

so as far as the lie, i've already gone over this several times. i mean, it was blatant knowledge throughout our wrestling team, and there's others that are going to come out on my behalf, and it's just going to get worse. jim jordan is just a symptom of the bigger problem at ohio state. he had superiors, russ helickson who i just found out called me a liar as well. this guy, we have text messages of him sending it to my teammates telling them to flip. so these people are delusional. and, you know, it's all going to come out and ohio state is -- it's going to get worse, because there's other things that are going to come out. you know, they -- they don't want to go there. >> and for -- i was going to ask

you, you say things are going to come out, is there specific evidence that you have or that you or others that were victims or connected to victims at ohio state have that jordan himself knew about the abuse that was taking place? >> yes. i mean, the fact that he called me on the fourth of july. i haven't talked to this guy in, you know -- the last time i saw him was at my teammate kevin randalman's funeral. and kevin randalman was a captain as well. if he was alive, he'd be sitting here next to me. you know, with the same story, because he was adamant against it as well. so, you know, to keep denying it is just digging himself a bigger hole. if he would have just came out at the beginning and said, hey, you know, our superiors did nothing, then i wouldn't be here right now. you think i want to be here?

>> what is it that he wanted you to do? do you get the sense the reason congressman jordan called you is he was worried about the osu scandal affecting his re-election? affecting his campaigns? >> of course. who calls somebody on the fourth of july, i'm in las vegas, las vegas time it's 8:00 in the morning, so he's -- he knows that, and he's calling me first thing in the morning. i just got there on a flight. i just -- i didn't even know about the story really because i was flying to las vegas. i was going there for a ufc fight. i was helping the ufc champ get ready for his fight. and we're sitting at breakfast and i get a call from a dayton number. and i look down and i'm like, i pick it up and it's jim jordan. so i excuse myself from the table. there's people there that, you know, who will account for that

as well. so all this stuff and then he repeatedly called me that week. so, you know, it wasn't like he just called me once. he called me several times. >> and what do you want -- >> at least -- >> what do you want to see happen? >> i want to see ohio state do the right thing. i want to see them do the right thing. there's other people that didn't do the right thing. archie griffin was the associate a.d. at the time, he was the head of wrestling. andy geiger, they did nothing. gordon gi, all these people are avoiding the situation. they refuse to step up and do the right thing. that's why i'm here. >> adam disabito, thank you very much. you're brave to come forward. thank you for your time. >> thank you. coming up, it's been two years since the mass shooting in

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strongly that people should have a choice. they feel strongly about that. there are other parts of our union where they don't have health care or it's not good health care. so having an option like medicare for all is a great thing. but i think what it gets down to is this. as a nation and as democrats, donald trump wants to destroy oba obamacare, preexisting conditions, et cetera. as democrats we have to fight to expand health care for all americans. >> bernie sanders is in a bit of hot water with the heads of one of nevada's most powerful unions it started when the culinary union sent out a flyer saying sanders medicare for all plan would, quote, end culinary health care. following outrage, leaders released a second statement complaining about what it calls vicious attacks against its members, sanders condemn the

behavior. despite other democrats trying to capitalize on it, the culinary union decided not to endorse any candidate ahead of next weekend's caucus. joining me is wendle parker head of business for medicare for all. mari marina hensol. and john ralston. i'm going to go in reverse order. john, what were these alleged attacks and does it seem like whatever went on between sanders' fans and the union could -- how will that in your view impact -- could it impact the race? >> take the first question first, joy. my reporter actually met with a couple of the union leaders and saw the emails and the tweets and some stuff that was posted on the internet. listen, there is a small corner of sanders-land that is nasty and vicious and anyone in the media or other campaigns knows

if you say anything remotely negative about bernie sanders they will go on social media and attack you in a very vicious way. i don't think it's the majority of bernie sanders' supporters. as you mentioned, joy, he has condemned it, he has urged his supporters to stand down but the union leaders don't think he's done enough so they're upset with him. to be honest with you, i don't know what more he can do. i don't think he can control the anger of the people that think that the great establishment beast is out to get them and everyone is part of this conspiracy. you just can't deal with that. be that as it may, the real question is the second one you asked, which is does this affect the caucus. early voting has started as i'm sitting here today, which is the first time it's ever been done in a caucus, it's a hybrid now, four days of early voting and then the actual caucus on february 22nd. if the culinary had come out as

some thought they might have said we don't like bernie but we love joe biden, that could have helped maybe resurrect the biden campaign after his disastrous showing in the first two states. since they did not doing that, i'm not sure it's going to affect the results that much although in all the years i've done this joy, i've done it a long time, i have a hard time getting a handle on the turnout. all the data i've seen shows bernie sanders is the favorite and the others are bunched together. >> there's two things about the sanders base, all of us have had our twitters hit by saying anything remotely, but he also has a core of support among young people of color, including young latinos, he scores the highest among young latinos, under 30, that's part of his base, so i wonder which is the most important thing, union

members who say medicare for all will take away the health care my union negotiated for me which i like, and i don't want to let it go, so i don't want medicare for all. or young latino voters who say we want this revolutionary character to be the nominee. >> when you were saying this, i had an image of a latino family in las vegas where the father is a member of the culinary workers union but the daughter is going to college there, and where you're having the intergeneration debate within families right in, for example, las vegas where i was just recently there. the truth is that they're -- this is the dynamic of whether or not the ground game that bernie sanders has had in place really for four years -- what i've heard is that his reporting -- his own team basically looked at the fact that they came close last night, four years ago, so they stayed in nevada. they focussed hard on their

ground game. and that's why they've got the leg up. but joe biden, you know, i was talking to people on the ground, they were saying possibly, maybe he could squeak something out. i think if you look at amy klobuchar, when it's coming out now she voted for english only, that's kind of dead in the water right there for her in las vegas. elizabeth warren kind of with julian castro and bernie sanders who has the alexandria ocasio-cortez vibe, which is definitely connected to young people. so it is about the turn out. but bernie sanders does have a serious ground game but so do the unions. >> there are people that are trying to then appeal to that union voter, the dad in maria's scenario, who's like i want to hold onto my union health care. pete buttigieg is one aggressive saying i have something for you, which is his medicare for all who want it. you said this morning -- you responded back to mayor pete's attempt to grab that dad you said i read this morning that

mayor pete plans to attack medicare for all for political gain in nevada, this will thrill my old pals in the industry industry as pete's plan preserves their profits while making others go into bankruptcy. how would you answer that union member who says we fought for five years to get this health plan, it's a great gold plated health plan why should we give it up for nationalized health care? >> well, for one thing, the medicare for all -- medicare for all would make sure that anyone, even if they are in a union plan, would have absolutely coverage that is absolutely as good as what they have now, but they would also have security. one thing to keep in mind, even if you have coverage and you have union representation, you still are subject to layoffs. last year alone mgm resorts in las vegas laid 1,000 people off,

28 million people in 2018 in this country were laid off. so it's not secure. health insurance at the work place is not secure plus you're subject to the whims of the insurance industry when a doctor, for example, or a nurse that an insurance company says we're not going to cover that, even though it's a covered benefit. i'll tell you this story, one of the reasons i left my job is because of that kind of situation. a lot of folks talk about having a cadillac plan. there was a 17-year-old girl in los angeles, her father worked for mercedes, she was in a mercedes plan, she was scheduled for a liver transplant but cigna said they didn't think it was medically appropriate for her. she died five days before christmas in 2007. that goes on every single day. that was the reason i left my job. people need to know that even if you have coverage in the work place, the system is also crumbling. in 1999 we had 160 million people who had coverage through the work place, now it's down to 150 million. and in that space of time, the

population increased 50 million. so it's not a stable or secure way to get your health care. i think the medicare for all is resonating because people understand that. >> joy, that's exactly why people are going to say, if bernie sanders comes and takes it away, that's exactly what they're fighting for. >> very quickly before we go, john, which argument seems to be resonating on the ground? >> well, you know, it's interesting, joy, it's tough to tell. i think what maria said is true. remember in 2008 when hillary clinton didn't get the endorsement, barack obama did, but a lot of the rank and file went with hillary. that could happen again. i think there are a lot of young latinos here, bernie sanders is doing well with them. >> we'll see. thank you all very much. john, of course, is the star -- one of the star moderators of this week's coming democratic debate in las vegas. up next more msnbc and "a.m. joy." nyquil severe gives you powerful relief

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do you have a message for the lawmakers? do you have a message for congress, for the president? >> what we really need is action. we can say we're going to do these things, thoughts and prayers. what we need more than that is action. this is the 18th one this year. that's unacceptable. we're children. you guys like are the adults. you need to take some action and play a role. work together, come over your politics and get something done. >> yesterday marked the two year anniversary of the mass shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. the loss of those 17 students and staff members galvanized the survivors and families from parkland, their efforts have changed the gun reform debate and could have a profound effect on this year's election. joining me is a survivor of the shooting and a current senior and a member of the students demand action national advisory

board. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> you young people have been some of the most impressive kids, if i may be so bold as to call you kids, still, in the country. the way you came together and brought students of all ethnicities together has been impressive. what's the thing you're most proud of that you accomplished? >> if you look two years ago gun violence was on the third rail of politics now it's front and center. look at the presidential candidates right now and everyone is talking about gun violence and they have a plan for it. on the state level we've helped pass numerous legislation, like red flag laws and background checks so you see a huge projection in gun violence since the tragedy and we still keep fighting for more gun violence prevention, especially on a federal level. we're proud of the amount of action that has happened over the past two years. >> i'm glad you said a federal level. a lot of states you're seeing a

lot of positive developments, a lot of it by you guys and moms demand action and other groups. i lived in florida for 14 years, not far from parkland, florida is a difficult state to change when it comes to gun reform. do you feel that florida is moving at all? >> yeah, florida is definitely moving. it's definitely a gun state. but after the tragedy, we did pass red flag laws, which was a huge step. right now there's background checks in the senate actually in florida and that needs to be passed because it will close down different gun show loopholes so it's important that we still continue to lobby our legislatures, i actually was in tallahassee about two weeks ago lobbying for background checks. so there's more work to do but we've seen a good progression in florida that we were able to pass red flag laws. >> we've seen it not just the students but also the parents of

parkland, fred guttenberg was at the state of the union, walked out of it, made a statement. your parents, how do they feel about you continuing to devote so much time to this effort? are they concerned this has sort of taken over your lives and you have not been allowed to sort of move on? >> it's definitely frustrating having to go through a shooting at such a young age. it overshadowed a lot of my high school experience and feeling like a kid, but at the same time after going through such a tragedy, i've seen how important it is that -- i feel like i have a sense of responsibility to keep fighting for gun violence prevention so it doesn't happen to other schools and really to honor the victims and my friends and classmates who passed away in the shooting. >> absolutely. i have to ask a question about you, how are you doing, how are your friends doing? how are you coming along in terms of just being kids? >> well, yesterday was extremely difficult, especially with the two-year mark of the shooting.

and our community has definitely gotten together and we're way more unified, which is amazing. but i don't think we'll ever forget what happened and the memories of that day we'll always think about it every single day and the lives that we lost. but sometimes time does heal but at the same time we're still feeling the same feelings we had the day after. >> i think the whole country felt that for you, but obviously not in the deep and personal way you guys felt. it's something that's difficult to come back from. are you old enough to vote? you're a senior. >> i won't be able to vote in the primaries because i'm 17. in the general election i'll be able to vote. >> are you encouraging your friends to vote? are people excited about being able to vote in the election? >> we're super excited. we're doing voter registration drives at a our school and school surrounding, getting as many students as possible to be registered and then have the right information to go vote. >> have you picked a college? where are you going to go? >> i'm going to yale next year.

>> you're going to be starting college next year? >> yeah. >> congratulations -- oh, at yale did you say yale? a yale girl. we can have a harvard/yale standoff, i appreciate that. all the best to you and thank you for being here today. >> thank you. >> thank you, more "a.m. joy" after the break. what's going on?

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and it's been a -- kind of a deep, dark one but we're going to bring it up now. because i have a birthday. logan john's birthday, he can here with his high school friends. let put him on camera. there they go. logan, identify yourself, wave your hand, don't be shy. go logan, it's your birthday. we're going to party like it's your birthday. thank you for watching. thank you kids from california -- >> north carolina. >> north carolina, california. they came from all over the country. they came for logan, wouldn't you? up next alex has the latest. say hi to my friends there. >> hi, guys, happy birthday. have fun doing whatever you're doing. you made me laugh so hard because you think i were not acknowledging siri the fact she's going to yale, are you kidding me you're pulling the

harvard/yale stuff on the show? i can talk to somebody from ucla. >> i was going to say, oh, a yale girl but she wouldn't have known what it meant. b it's gill began's island. come on. >> have fun with logan and the gang there. i'll see you tomorrow. >> happy birthday logan. i'll soee you tomorrow. it's high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to weekends and alex witt. breaking news, it's about to begin. early voting will soon be under way in nevada. the third early contest of the 2020 presidential race. first reports that mike bloomberg may be considering hillary clinton to be his running mate. and a washington post report based on a review of court documents and depositions obtained through the