go to you if you're a black or brown person even if you can afford it. >> because you live inside the lines. >> that's correct. you live in the wrong place. you're the wrong race, you can't get a loan. by the way, we'll have on elizabeth warren later in our show because she was one of the people who made the very salient point, the vig guest victims of the crash were the black and brown folks who actually managed to go ahead and do all the right things and get a loan and then were victims of a wall street that decided to try to monetize their loans and get them to take out second and third loans. i know people in florida who took out second and third loans, juiced all the money out of their homes and lost the home. that's what happened. >> i don't want to take away from your show. i want to remind viewers one thing. if you have a mortgage in america, the front page will tell you, if you pay the minimum balance, this is what it will take over the life of the mortgage. that's elizabeth warren, because she thought that's one basic thing people need to know.

they need to know what the cost of that mortgage is. she's been fighting this fight for a long time. >> fighting it for a long time. i'm going to let her go ahead and reexplain as you have done a job doing, what actually caused the mortgage crisis. please stop blaming black and brown people. they were the victims. i'm going to kidnap you and make you be on my show. >> the most fun kidnapping ever. >> thank you, ali. great to talk to you. good morning and welcome to "am joy." as michael bloomberg attempts to spend, spend, spend his way to becoming the democratic nominee, his decades' long record, just generally being a republican is coming back to haunt him. in the latest issue that could become a challenge for team bloomberg is his record regarding women. "the washington post" highlighted lawsuits filed against bloomberg and his company alleging sexual

harassment and discrimination against female employees. the piece is based on depositions and other records that were obtained through the freedom of information act. quote, the most high profile case was from a former sales woman. she sued bloomberg personally as well as his company alleging workplace discrimination. she alleged bloomberg told her to kill it when he learned she was pregnant. bloomberg denied the allegation under oath and reached a confidential settlement. her lawsuit also alleged bloomberg berated a female employee who had trouble finding a nanny. it's an expletive baby, all you need is some black who doesn't need to speak english to rescue it from a burning building. accused of frequent sexualized comments about women in general. gq put the number of lawsuits

over 40. bloomberg campaign responded, quote, virtually all of this has been reported over the past two decades in any large organization. mike does not tolerate discrimination or harassment and has created cultures all about equity and inclusion. bloomberg didn't address the article when campaigning on saturday, but he did say this about women's rights. >> half a century after it was first proposed, you became the 38th state to ratify the equal rights amendment, declaring once and for all that women deserve equality under the law. >> yea for the e.r.a. but does bloomberg's alleged past undercut the current rhetoric? joining me is tim o'brien, senior advisor for the bloomberg

2020 came campaign andiola oej wum many, a disability rights advocate. i want to start with you, tim, before i bring in the rest of the panel. one of the challenges a lot of democrats are having, largely democrats, about the idea of a bloomberg campaign is in fundamental ways it would be trading one trump for kind of another, right? also a republican democrat hybrid who jumped between parties, also has a lot of issues, allegations from women, not as severe as donald trump who has had one person accuse him of sexual assaults. so not on the same scale, but a lot of issues around women, issues around race. that kind of thing. how is michael bloomberg fundamentally different from donald trump? >> joy, we are not trading a donald trump on the right for a donald trump in the democratic party. michael bloomberg is not a sexual predator and deviant like

donald trump. michael bloomberg is not a flagrant and abusive lifelong bigot like donald trump. mike is a flawed men. i'm a flawed man. many of us are flawed. mooring is a purposeful person arriving in a dangerous point to make sure we have no more donald trumps in the oval office. to compare both of them as somehow equal i think is both absurd and irresponsible. it's not a good service to voters, not a good service to the country. it may be a good service to bernie sanders and his campaign, to tee it up that way, but it's not what the reality of it is at all. >> i don't think is saying they are the same. obviously i'm sure michael bloomberg actually believes in the rule of law and things like that, unlike donald trump. however, there are things troubling equally on the bloomberg side. a spokesman on the idea of ndas,

people having to sign ndas so they can't disclose negative information about him. a spokesman for bloomberg said he would not release anyone from a confidentiality agreement and would not release any of his depositions. senator warren is calling on michael bloomberg to reverse that. here she is at a campaign stop in december. >> i think ndas are a way for people to hide bad things they have done. i think women should be able to speak. they need to be released from ndas. >> would michael bloomberg -- he's not just being a businessman or mayor of new york, now running to be president of the united states, leader of the free world. will he release women from these ndas so they can be heard because what they have to say might be of interest to voters? >> first off, you said senator warren is going to be on the program later, so senator warren is a lawyer, she knows that ndas are routine pieces of settlement

agreements in corporate america. i'm sure when she was representing corporations that had done damaging things to women, ndas might have been part of those settlements. it would be interesting to see what she thinks about those. nonetheless, it's the company's position that many of the women on the other side of those ndas also don't want disclose your and they're respecting the terms of those agreements. they're not unusual agreements. they're routine agreements. secondarily, michael bloomberg believes fully and it's borne out in his conduct as the ceo of bloomberg lp and founder of bloomberg lp, bloomberg philanthropies in this campaign, women should be protected from any kind of sexual harassment, they shouldn't be deprived of anything socially or in the workplace because of sexual harassment and discrimination

against them by men. his actions bear that out. the platform of his campaign bears that out. i think there's two things in play with the examples that have been in the press recently. a lot of the headlines says michael bloomberg has been accused of dozens and dozens of sexual harassment. let's be clear it's been the corporate entity. there are some, tied to a gag book at his birthday he got 30 years ago, all the statements in that book he's denied. nonetheless, he regrets anything that he said at that period or after that was offensive or disgusting around women. on the corporate side of this, i think it's healthy bloomberg lp has a process in place so women can sue the company or take action against the company if they've been discriminated against. a lot of these cases occurred when mike was mayor, mayor for a

13-year period. he wasn't even at the company during that time. a lot of the press has tried to say he's personally on the other end of these lieu suits and it's no not the case. >> we don't have tons of time. i want to let everybody else into the conversation as well. ola, i'll let you start as well. there are a lot of issues regarding disability rights that you think are important and will bear out in this campaign. i want to let you ask a question or two if you'd like. >> i will say bloomberg has a horrendous record when it comes to disability rights, equal employment, accessibility of transportation and emergency preparedness. how do you think bloomberg will respond to kritd sichls from the disabled community about his record of discrimination? for example, 71% of the disabled community votes. we are one of the biggest minorities in this counted. he was completely resistant to accessible cabs and made efforts to stop public transit from becoming more accessible when he was mayor.

how is the disabled community going to respond to that? how is he going to reckon for his record? >> i think -- thanks for your question. i think the issue you're bringing up about cabs, that ended up being an issue of whether the city of new york was liable for making cabs more accessible to people riding in them versus whether or not the taxi industry itself had to play a bigger role. the litigation on that pertained to who was responsible for making the cabs accessible. the fact of the matter is, michael bloomberg supports the ada. it's part of our platform on this campaign. an overarching theme of every piece of public policy we have in this campaign is reasserting the role of the federal government on behalf of vulnerable people so they aren't batted around anymore like they've been over the last three decades essentially and how it came to its height in the trump

administration. mike respects the ada, he would enforce the ada rebustly. he'd make sure there was local oversight -- >> may i interject? >> sure, please. >> can you explain bloomberg's comment about accessible wheelchair scabs being uncomfortable to able-bodied passengers and taxi cab drivers of accessible cabs will get less of a tip because there's too much space between the customer and the cab driver, that they won't be able to develop a rapport. you may say he supports the ada, but his comments as an excuse for not making new york cabs accessible were ludicrous. how does he support the ada based on those statements? >> i'm not familiar with that comment. but he has said and i believe that he will support the ada. i can't do any better than that with you. i ap slate the question. this is an issue we're sensitive to. we care about this as a campaign. it's not something we're going

to let lay fallow. but i'm not familiar with that comment. >> let me let medhi in. >> tim o'brien is a former colleague of me. michael bloomberg is very lucky to have him. >> i agree with that. >> tim says we're all flawed individuals. i agree. we're all flawed people. tim, you and i are flawed, but you and i have not had 64 different women accuse us and organizations we lead of sexual harassment, sexual discrimination cases. you and i did not support the iraq war or publicly go out and say george w. bush should be re-elected after the iraq war. you and i did not spend the last 20, 30-odd years defending stop and frisk, racist stop and frisk practices, racist surveillance of muslims in new york. i think the problem here,

michael bloomberg has a lot of flaws, a lot of problems it's mad to think that donald trump and the republicans would not go to town with the legacy and the record that michael bloomberg brings to this race, tim. surely you know that. >> of course i know that, medhi. i have the same respect for you that you have for me. thank you for prefacing with that. but i couldn't disagree more about how you're framing this. you and i don't deal with all the questions michael bloomberg deals with because you and i haven't founded global philanthropy, you and i weren't mayor of new york for three terms, didn't found a company that employs 20,000 people. of course, a lot more stuff will go at mike bloomberg as comes at us. i am profoundly comfortable backing michael bloomberg at this moment because there's nobody else running who is going to be able to beat donald trump this year -- >> that's not true, tim. they're all beating him by

bigger margins than michael bloomberg is. look at the latest polls -- >> michael bloomberg has just started hitting the polls. you know he's outpolling everyone else. >> that's not true. >> that is true. the polls support that. >> let me finish what i was saying, which is this idea that you and i are flawed, but we're not as bad as michael bloomberg is absurd because we haven't been involved with nearly as many things or have accomplished as much in the world as michael bloomberg. >> can i jump in real quick? having worked on a campaign or two on the press side, one of the things you have to combat in any election is oppo research. it's oppo research that's good to come out early rather than late. is the argument for bloomberg

that he would overwhelm the oppo with money, that with money he can overcome -- i'm looking at quotes saying his computers and financial information will do everything including giving one oral sex which puts a lot of you girls out of business. that's the stuff trump is going to use. it would be ironic because drum said he could grab women by their undercarriages, so he's not exactly the right messenger. if it's just between the two of them and they're seen more or less equally bad, then it's not a referendum on bad. >> i don't think voters are looking at it that way right now. i'm out on the ground. i've been in 12 states at this point. mike has been in 24. i think voters are first and foremost are looking at solutions to things like affordable health care, access to high quality public education, better jobs for the middle class. we're talking to voters about that.

they're responding to that first and foremost. secondarily, i don't think mike is just getting traction because of money. this is now probably an eight-week trope at this. mike bloomberg is rising solely because he's spending a lot of money f. that was true, tom steyer wouldn't be stuck at 1% or 2%. mike blood has great bone fides. he solved more problems that voters care about right now, and he has a very inclusive vision that isn't just a promise, it's something he's delivered on, mistakes along the way for decades. it's interesting, for example, on the issue of women, bloomberg philanthropies is run by women, focuses on women's issue. patty harris is now his senior adviser, probably his most trusted adviser, the campaign chairwoman. i'm the senior adviser on the

campaign. she was his deputy mayor in city hall. he's always relied on women for guidance and advice. >> i have a woman on the set here that i twoont ask, i have seen anecdotally, even a lot of black women buying into the idea of mike bloomberg. i don't know what you're seeing with your friends, whether in the disabled community or among black women. do you see and can you explain it? >> the intersection of race and gender is very important. amongst my group of disabled black women, we see right through bloomberg. particularly one of the greatest concerns of black women in general, regardless of ability or not, is mass incarceration. his stop-and-frisk policy affects disabled black people. 40% of the prison system is fill of disabled people. 50% of the victims of police killings are disabled people. so my question is how is he going to reckon with the

disabled community who is already resistant to him and who have seen and been angry with him, particularly in new york for all he's done to disenfranchise disabled people, particularly disabled black people? >> on the incarceration issue, the incarceration rate in new york city dropped by 40% when michael bloomberg was mayor. he was not randomly going around throwing people in jail. no other big city in the united states saw its incarceration rate drop by that much. the idea, somehow, that all this was tied into putting more people in jail isn't true and secondarily, the criminal justice reform platform of this campaign is about getting people out of jail and lowering recidivism. >> i wanted to say, it's easy to throw a stat out because in the end he did pull back on stop and frisk. but the rate of stop and frisk which is a traumatic contact with police by an innocent

person -- there are people who were stopped and frisked a dozen times. i'm thankful my sons were out of new york by then and not raised in a place where they could just walk on the street and be stopped. this was incredibly traumatized. even if people weren't arrested, you're talking about from 2006 to 2010, 30,000 stops and 15 guns or something like this. this was a horrific process. >> i was putting up the incarceration -- >> medhi has a question. >> i was bringing up the issue of the incarceration rate because your guest said michael bloomberg was throwing more and more people in jail. >> i never said that. >> that's what i heard. >> on the stop and frisk. tim calls it a mistake. this is not an accurate description of what happened. for three terms he defended it, he expanded it. he went to court, to fight a court and fight a judge who stopped it saying it was

inconstitutional. he left office, carried on defending it. you heard the audio saying yes, we throw police into minority neighborhoods because, quote, that's where all the crime is. i can't believe a democratic presidential candidate is going to go in against trump with that kind of record which he defended until january 2019. tim, you know this. he was defending in a speech racist stop and frisk practices. he runs for president and smart people like you say you need to apologize for this, so he apologizes. he spent 20 years defending it. >> i'm not just trying to say this was a mistake and leave it at that. this was egregious, it was wrong. it caused great pain and trauma -- >> why was he defending it a year ago. >> let me finish. let me finish. let me finish. i think he's a stubborn man who has believed in a lot of social programs that he has ran through

because they were difficult and thought they were proper. he was incredibly wrong. it was egregious. he will continue to apologize to people of color for the rest of his career. he's going to have to prove to people of color for the rest of his career that this isn't who he was as a person or politician. having said that, this does not represent the totality of his time as mayor or who he is as a person. you're familiar with the shawn bell shooting in 2006. shawn bell gunned down in a hail of bullets the day before he was to be married. mike bloomberg came out an condemned the new york police department for that, brought members from the black community into city hall, sought to repair the damage that incident had done to the black community. those weren't the actions of a white racist mayor trying to shove white cops down the throats of black people. yes, stop and frisk was ag grej ous and he'll continue to apologize for it. >> we're out of time. appreciate you, tim, coming on.

i think your candidate should come on as well. it want to ask you about what sounded like a big troll of perhaps donald trump or whatever, this idea of donald trump considering having hillary clinton run as his running mate. that was a troll, right? >> you know, we'd have to win this primary first before we start discussing who the vice presidential candidate will be. there's certainly a lot of trolling going on around there today. >> tim o'brien, thank you for being on. appreciate it. medhi, ola, welcome to the show. up next, how democracy dies. ♪ ♪ ♪ colon cancer screening for ♪ people 45 plus at average risk. some things are harder than you thought.

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do you start to see the seeds of our democracy dying? >> i don't know about dying, but i think we have a lot of evidence that our democracy is pretty darn dysfunctional at this point. >> just one year ago, not long

before donald trump declared a bogus national emergency to rob the military and build his border wall, i asked the co-authors of "how democracies die" about the state of our republic. the author didn't quite say our democracy was dying, but given all that's transpired this week, how does he feel now? joining me is steve la vitt ski, co-author of "how democracies die." dying to talk with you. given what we've seen since impeachment, donald trump interfering in federal legal cases, instructing his attorney general to prosecute person a and let person b off, the prosecutors seeming to follow these directions. donald trump repeating he can do anything he wants and now the latest, essentially calling himself a king. this is number three from my producers, he quotes a "new york times" piece saying ralph waldo emerson seemed to foresee the

lesson of the senate impeachment trial when you strike at the king, emerson famously said, you must kill him. he thinks he's a king. do you think democracy is more at risk of dying than you did before? >> yes, i was cautiously cautious when we wrote the book. we thought there continue to be several important guard rails protecting our democracy. one was the republican party, we figured there would be a fact snun the senate led by people like mccain who would draw a line. that turned out to be a false guard rail that fell away pretty quickly. then we figured that divided government, election of democratic majority of the house would make a difference, that our system of checks and balances would hopefully help to constrain trump. we've seen that guard rail has also been pretty frayed. the impeachment showed us that that particular check on executive abuse is now rendered

useless. the republicans made it clear that they were going to put donald trump essentially, no matter what, so that's suggests that we only have one principle guard rail left and that is elections. >> that's assuming the election is free and fair which is a big assumption since the republican party has refused to pass legislation passed by the house that would protect us from cyber attack from foreign countries or other attacks. here are the determinants of whether a political leader is headed for authoritarianism. this is from your book. the leader shows only a weak commitment to democratic rules. check. sounds like trump. he or she denies the legitimacy of opponents, i wonder if having your potential opponent investigated by a foreign country. he or she tolerates violence. we've seen white nationalists marching through washington, d.c. donald trump said there were

good people on both sides in the violent rallies in charlottesville. four, he or she shows willingness to curb civil liberties or the media. we've seen him drum call tmedia the enemy of the people, taking action against "the washington post." it feels like he's hit all four. there's a fifth that's not in your book but put forward by max boot. he says a fourth might be passivity. he says this is how democracy dies in full view of a public that couldn't care less. i see passivity, resignation and acquiescence from a distracted electorate that has come to accept trump's abhorrent behavior as the norm. talk about all that, whether or not you're afraid that the public is just allowing it to happen. >> that's partially true. a good number of americans, a majority of americans have consistently been opposed and

concerned about what trump is doing, every survey after every abuse shows a majority of americans opposed to it. the problem is we're intensely polarized, roughly 40% of the country and the political party that represents that 40% is behind trump. we're so polarized that republicans care -- this is not an exaggeration, republicans care more about beating democrats than constraining executive abuse. that's the problem. the problem is not the whole country. the problem is republicans. >> i think to take it to the next level, the republican party is an almost mono racial party. there are some white people in the party, but overwhelmingly white. and it's very concerned about the protection of white christians going forward. the book i wrote, i talked a lot about the south africa strategy, the idea of protecting what will be a white christian minority

from the emerging non-white secular multiracial, what will be the majority forever, if possible. do you see signs of that? there's a very racialized piece of what trump has done, a racial and religious piece. >> absolutely. two things going on. first of all, our constitutional system allows for minority rule. our system is set up to enhance the power of sparsely populated territories, particularly the senate dramatically overrepresents sparsely populated territories. the electoral college represents them because it's selected by the senate, also has some overrepresentation of sparsely populated territories. today the republicans are the party that represents sparsely populated territories. so a minority of the country, minority of the electorate can dominate the senate, does dominate the senate and can win the presidency without actually

capturing national majority. on one hand, our institutions permit this. on the other hand, as you correct li pointed out, we have a delining white christian majority in this country that feels very threatened, feels like the country they grew up in is being taken away from them. that sense of threat has radicalized them and led them to any means necessary strategy to defend their power. unfortunately our institutions actually make that easier, our countermajority institutions make it easier for the declining white christian majority to hold on to power. >> are you hopeful that this can be corrected, that we can retain our democracy given all of these factors? >> it's hard to retain hope these days. it's been a rough few years. but, look, our elections still remain pretty clean. i worry a lot about what would happen in a very, very close election where a couple of states are contested, sort of

like florida 2000. this is fundamentally going to be a clean election. so this is our chance. the cosmo politan multiracial secular majority is a majority, a robust majority in this country. the question is will it come out to vote. that's the key issue. we need to turn hope into mobilization to vote. >> amen, amen to that. steve, thank you so much. appreciate you being here. i share that mantra with you. everybody get out to vote like you're the majority because you are. thank you, sir. >> thank you. coming up on "am joy." if you're caking for some bacon, that's called a hard turn, we have a world renowned chef to tell us about his new project, what's eating america.

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three years ago we didn't have enough people and there are fields that literally there was tractors plowing them down. >> so the agricultural labor shortage in america is so action can you tell, you don't have a choice, you have to bring workers from mexico. >> if i'm going to harvest the amount of cake raj in my budget and i've agreed to with certain retailers, i absolutely need h2a. >> that's an excerpt from "what's eating america" examining our toughest issues through the lens of food tochlt night's debut episode looks at how donald trump's immigration

policies have impacted the lives of immigrant and migrant farmers. joining me the host of "what's eating america" award winning chef, chef andrew zimmern. i love your glasses. >> thank you. good morning. >> as a former glasses wearer, i'm a little jealous. i'll play you a clip that you talk about one of the most popular things in america, that is food trucks. you link it to immigration. let's play that. >> fod trucks are one of the cheapest entry points into the food business, perfect for recent immigrants like mohammed. >> how did you start the truck? >> i work for somebody for six, seven months, then i learn everything, i buy one and then i buy another one. i have six no. >> you have six trucks. that's the american dream. >> yes.

>> mohammed, where is my buddy. good luck with everything. >> people forget are immigrants that don't make excuses. they're blessed with opportunity to belong to a new place. they don't want to take anything from anybody, they only want to be part of it. >> i asked him what was his secret. you know what he said? i worked hard. >> so andrew, how has this environment of anti immigration sentiment stoked by the president, how has it affected businesses like the taco trucks on every corner that i dream about every day? >> well, what it's doing is it's slowly begin to stunt our entire food system. the point that we try to make there in that small scene is that the people who are being demonized by the white house and this administration, but the lack of immigration reform, are actually the people who are putting every bit of food onto our plates. these are people who need to be respected. they need to be treated with dignity and they need to be

brought out of the shadows. they don't need to be pushed back into them. much like we've been talking about, the destruction of the rule of law in the last couple of weeks on your show, shows on the network, top lines of the front page of the newspaper, one of the things we're seeing is there's an atmosphere of fear being stoked, so fewer and fewer migrant workers, immigrants, visa applications, fewer and fewer people are showing up for jobs in fields and farms, on crab boats, on oyster boats, in meat packing plants. slowly but surely we're seeing our food system constricted. all this is happening that the people running the farms and oyster boats and restaurants are needing more and more workers. if seeing i.c.e. running into a city and taking undocumented workers onto a truck doesn't

scare people, what happens when hours at your neighborhood restaurant are limited or a food truck goes away? the other point that i'd like to make that we do a great job of illuminating in the series i think is how much these immigrants contribute to not only our economic development in this country -- remember they pay taxes that help to pave our roads and put our kids through school, but it also makes our country safer. it's an economic development plan our government doesn't have to shell out for. take mexico, for example. if mexican migrants and documented workers, visa workers, come in, pay tax, send money back to mexico, put kids tlier school and make a better and safer mexico, isn't that better for the united states? it's confounding to me how few people understand the vital nature that these undocumented, documented, migrant and visaed workers play in our food system. without them our food system

fails. >> it was sort of ironic, people freaking out they couldn't get the popeye's chicken sandwich and at the same time in mississippi where a lot of that chicken is processed i.c.e. was raiding those places and dragging off the people who are making your chicken. if you want it, you have to have people to do it. did you see in the research for doing this show any evidence that if undocumented workers are taken out of fields and out of chicken processing plants and deported to guatemala or honduras or mexico that they will be replaced in the workforce by steelworkers and unemployed workers in the rest belt? have you seen evidence of a transfer of american workers into those jobs? >> zero. in fact, one of the universal comments that every single farm manager, plant manager, business owner told us, every single one of them said that, in fact, when they put out help wanted signs, nobody shows up but hard working migrant workers, cease isvisa

applicants, applicants from central america, south america. it's a recurring theme. it's quite frankly a myth that's perpetrated by people on the right to make us think that these wonderful hard working skilled workers i might add, skilled workers, are taking away jobs from ordinary americans which, of course is dog whistling for a horrific type of stereotyping. i also think that on the plus side of this equation we talked to some crab business owners on the eastern shore of maryland who pointed out that there's 100 small family crab businesses on the east shore. they're all in towns of populations of 100 to 140, and they require about that many workers every season just to support this billion dollar fishery and billion dollar tourism economy in the

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it is what it is. he has no respect for the rule. where are the republicans speaking out on this blatant violation of the rule of law? >> good morning and welcome back to "a.m. joy." with senate roepublicans having armed him with unlimited power, we're seeing the extent that he will go to punish his perceived

enemies. his determination to trash the ruled of law and twist the rule of government into tools, the exact thing the house of representatives impeached him for, has become increasingly brazen. he is demanding leniency for his allies who were convicted. and retribution for those who have dared to try to hold him to account. and recall trump already said openly to cameras that in his mind article 2 of the constitution allows him do anything he wants. and now republicans in the house and the senate have essentially said yeah, that is true, boss. and now that that has happened, there is effectively no check on this president. republicans do not seem interested in having one as long as trump lets them hang on to a small shred of power. and this fact that really sobering fact about what is happening to our democracy is not at all lost on trump himself. he actually compared himself to a king on his ubiquitous twitter

account. so welcome to that, america. and you, those of you who still want an america where there is a rule of law and not a monarch, who want this country to remain a democracy, you have a right to know how we in the media will talk about that. how should we cover a president who literally calls himself a king? should we take him literally? or seriously? and how should we cover the political party that treats the president as a king and enables him? joining me now will bunt, tracy winbush, erin haines, and jennifer rubin, and kareem jean pierre. i'm going to -- i normally like to do ladies first, but i want to go first to will bunch. one of the reasons that i wanted to have you on, you wrote a

piece recently and here is the subtle title. trump's banana republic, police state for the poor, free pass for the president's pals and the rich. talk a little bit about where you see this country as is it stands right now and as a coal lunlg n lum nis how you handle that reality. >> thanks for having me back on. well, i mean, one reason why i became an opinion columnist is i felt that journalism from the early 2000s wasn't up to the job of alerting the public of the alarming trends taking place in this country. and so, yes, i think -- and i've written a lot about kind of the need for a different kind of journalism in the trump era. i mean, we can't abandon our core values, we can't abandon fairness, we can't abandon listening to both sides.

but at the same time, journalism and democracy are intrinsically linked. and when we have a president who is threatening democracy like donald trump is, journalism just can't fall back on its old on one hand, on the other hand, kind of habits. i think we need to find a different kind of voice, i think that we need to be much more clearer in letting people know what democracy is, what our democracy norms should be and really spell out for people the way this president is violating them. >> and jennifer, you know, we used to be on opposite sides of a president and the things that they did. but during the bush administration, i think one of the things that we learned from the journalistic point of view, and i'm an opinion journalist, back then i got out of the news business because of the iraq war because of my feelings about the war. but what i saw observing the columnist world and even the news world, was that taking the president at face value was a

mistake. it was a mistake that joe biden says it was his mistake, to just listen to what the president and what his national security team value. but with trump, he has even more power functionally than bush did. and bush essentially had the power to torture people. what does it mean now that we've gone even further and this president has been empowered by his own party with almost unlimited power? how should congress behave differently towards even him than another republican president like bush? >> i think there are two things. one, i think that this notion of objectivity of balance has been so inculcated into the media that they now don't call it like they say it at all because they are walking on egg he 14shells. when the president had that out of control press conference when he was rambling on and on, they were so restrained, they described it as a celebration.

no, he was a raving lieu in a tisk. you need to use the swreshs, ve correct description so you give the public a feel of how dangerous this guy is. that is not being buyer as iase is being accurate and revealing the danger this guy poses. and we've talked about this in terms of putting his statements in headline which is as which a false. but no longer playing the stenography game and this is what the president said and this is what adam schiff said. and this implicit belief that the public will just figure it out by themselves, sometimes they don't because disinformation is so extreme and the bubble that he operates this is so closed and that unless you really pound on their door, unless you really say no, this is what is going on. you are not going to serve the public by telling them what is

happening. and i think that the force by which they tell it like it is has to take on a new meaning. it isn't balance, it is not he said this and that is accurate. what is accurate is he lied about this and we've had the whole discussion about whether we use the l word, the lied word, but you have to lay it out there. the press' job is to be a watchdog, not to be access journalism. it is not to be a balancing scale between the two. it is to expose, to inform, and it is to pose as an adversary when necessary when government is be bus siabusive. and i cannot think of another government that is more abuse saved than this and likewise with these republicans. when you have a susan collins on and she goes on to her little la-la land spree about what she think, you have to challenge those people. and it is too often that these republicans come on and give some little talking point

explanation which is nonsense, they get away with it and then they go on to another subject. and they really have to be challenged. >> and the other day we had our wonderful team, you know, all 53 republican senators ansd in the o and not one would can cost on the show. susan collin, please come on the show. i'd live to have you on. erin, you are in a new media entity. as you can covering this president and engaging with specifically women, what are you finding? does his out of control nature change the way you do your job as a journalist? >> thank you, joy, good to be with yyou. before i got this new role

covering gender and race in politics, i covered race in america and frankly how race played out in our political climate really since the election of president trump. and there were black and brown journalists four years ago who tried to sound the alarm in 016 about what they were seeing in our political climate, what really frankly had been a long time coming even if you go back to president obama's administration with the rise of the tea party and how you could see our political climate shifting in ways -- in the ways that have really manifested in these past four years and what we're seeing in this administration. but what i would say is that much to jennifer and will's points, you know, really have to tell the truth right now about who and where we are as a country. this is supposed to be about accuracy. journalism is about truth seeking and truth telling an holding the powerful accountable. and so, you know, for us to not chronicle all the ways in which this has been an extraordinary

administration, and that is not an derogatory statement to make, just a fact, so for us to be able to cover all the ways in which in administration has been extro extroidary, you know, i don't really get the sense of what really happened, you know, at this trump rally or i don't really get the sense of what you really mean by economic anxiety. you know, these things are not-it is just not the most accurate description. and i recognize the hesitancy of some folks to really, you know, tell it like it is about the climate that we are now in because it is so extraordinary and folks maybe are just not used to writing about this. and while i think that we have made some progress, like there has been some awareness to people understanding that we

can't cover this administration the weighed that we' the way we've covered past administrations, i think there is more work to be done on this front. >> and racially charged means actually nothing like a phrase that was invented that has no meaning. and turns out there was only one member of the tea party, justin amash. the rest didn't like barack obama. i want to go to our two politicos. at some point, you know, journalism is almost seen as political. if you are saying what donald trump is doing and you are not lauding him, then you are political. and most journalists don't want to be in the business of being in an adversarial political relationship with donald trump. they want to cover the presidency. this is what the president did. th they don't want to fight. and we bonded on the sense that our parents came from countries, from an authoritarian system.

and when you know that that is like, covering is more complicated because a lot of people learn to live with it. if you've been to cuba, people are in the streets railing in that system but living their lives and sending their kids to school. so diblgts to constantly cover the chaos after a while it becomes normal. do you fear that we're getting too close to the point that it is normal here? >> i do feel that. and donald trump understands that he can get away with it. he understands that there is a take d tradition with the press that they want to give the white house the benefit of the doubt, they want to give the president the benefit of the doubt. and so what he does, he takes advantage of it. he totally dismantles it. and what he does is he pushes

th that. oh, fake news. and then they try to say we're not fake and try to present something that is balanced. but we see him putting kids into cages, we see him asking other countries to help him politically. we see him trying to cut food stamps. and so he uses it in a way that is so cruel. and they have never seen it before. we've never seen it before. and this is where you get the fear of, okay, is some goithis be normalized. the press needs to report things so we know what is happening. and not put it out there and like people will figure it out. no, this is not the time. our democracy is at stake. and so like you said, when you have people who grew up in a banana republic, who grew up in authoritarianism, they come here

to get away from that and then they are like wartare like wait this looks familiar. >> and let's bring on our republican. donald trump has ticked off all four of the markers of autocracy. will writes about the head of a major police yun wiunion with 1 members defeating a violent sounding threat declaring war on you directed at the mayor of new york city. and this sort of normalization of violence, violent rhetoric. there was a neo-nazi march downtown washington and it did not even make the news last week. you as a republican, how do you explain this in your party? how do you explain this in a party in which -- you represent maybe like 7% of the party as an african-american, but how do you explain this? >> i represent all of the party

as a republican. i am here because we're americans. and everything that you said about the president authoritari authoritarianism, none of that means anything because you are not understanding leadership. the president is the leader of the free woshld arld and he has make decisions and we need to respect that. the journalists don't want to cover 9 2r50u9 or tthe trut or . they have never have. they have never told the truth about vice president. >> wait a minute. hold on -- hold on. let's have a conversation. because you said journalists don't want to on cover the facts. that is not true. that is the journalists job to cover the facts. >> but they don't. >> no. number two, if donald trump is the leader of the free world, why has he declared the european union, which is comprised -- and nato, those countries which have been our allies since we became the leader of the free world after world war i, why has he

declared those people to be oured a ver saeour ad v oured a adversaries and be friended the saudis, russian, turkey? why are our adversaries our friends and the european union and nato are our adversaries? >> because not all of your friends are truly your friends at that time because even the enemy of my friend -- even the enemy of my enemy is my friend. and we need to understand that. we also need to understand that you don't know everything and he can't tell you everything that is going on. and in the moment we need to let a person lead. but right now, we've never allowed that to happen with the presidency of president trump. one. but that said, when it comes to law enforcement, we need to understand that we need to take care of them because they take care of us. everyone calls 911. and mayor de blasio has never been a friend of his law enforcement. so -- >> hold on. so you're saying that donald trump needs to lead in secret because he knows more than we do, so we just need to trust

that his leadership decisions are correct, that the mayor of new york city is an enemy of law enforcement even though he is the constituency of new york, and we should go with whatever law enforcement wants to do even when blab people ack people aren i they are unarmed? sounds like an authoritarian -- >> joy, if you want black people to quit dying in the street, then we need to teach african-americans how to get out of the situation that they are in and understand -- >> sounds like -- >> that is not a talking point. no, this is not about a talk position point. this is about education and information and making sure that they have being a toes it. >> you are not educating anybody by these talking points. i've been hearing this since reagan. >> you don't give talking points. you give opinions. >> let's get will in. will, you wrote about this threat from -- you opened your column with it. you can explain what you wrote

about? >> when you talk about rising authoritarianism, there is aped right now. we've been talking about bill barr and what he is doing for trump's friends like roger stone. that is extremely troublesome. but the flip side of this coin is 23 you are a poor person in this country, if you are underprivileged, if you are black or brown, there is a lot of -- >> you are uneducated. >> let him finish. >> no, there is a lot going on right now to make this more of a police state. the police unions that supported trump are feeling incredibly empowered. we have i.c.e. this weekend going into neighborhoods in american cities nowhere near the border to basically terrorize immigrant communities. and that is the flip side. when we talk about justice in the trump era, it is not just doing favors for trump's friends and the rich and powerful who by the way white collar crime

prosecution has disappeared in the trump era. it is down to nezero. but this attitude of, you know, police brutality is okay, the justice department is not going to enforce consent decrees with these communities which have a history of police brutality by their police forces, this is classic authoritarianism. >> i think what we've discovered is the republican party is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian party. >> no, the republican party is a party of america. >> no, jennifer is talking. jennifer's time. >> that when you see someone who invests all hope, all faith in an individual without realizing that every player in our constitutional system has restraint, has limitations on power, then you have adopted the strong man of history theory. donald trump, we don't put blinding faith in the president of the united states. we don't allow any president to

intervene in a specific case in order to punish people or to -- where he don't all we don't allow a president to lie or bully a process kurt tore or a jury when the jury is out. >> have you ever read american history? >> this is an authoritarian society. and the allegiance we owe is to the constitution and the restraint. you can favor the poll is ipoli, but whether the supreme court or the president operating within a rule of law. trump is in the doing that. when you have people who are cultists, invest in all hope, all faith, all protection in donald trump donald trump, we are on the road to authoritarianism. >> and is donald trump sent by god? >> all power is elevated by god.

if he is in power, he was sent there by god. >> so goods se . >> so god send donald trump. >> i believe that donald trump is in office because god allowed him to be there to give america a reprieve so that they can reset and get back to normal. >> i see. and donald trump has essentially said that he is a king. do you believe that is he king? >> i think we all are if you are in christ jesus. >> let me go to erin. >> wow. >> no, i like it. erin, what -- i'll let you answer and then i want to also let kareem talk. what fears are you hearing that the people that you are covering, the women are you talking to about this era? >> well, you know, what i hear a lot from women is really about how -- with the absence of norms

that this era has produced, the effect that that is having on their interpersonal relationships. what has become normal, we can't even talk to our friends, our family member, our neighbors about politics anymore because it is just so adversarial, it is so polarizing. it didn't used to be. but i think that the absence of norms in this political climate should not mean the absence of norms in our journalism. if we are talking about balance, we really just have to cover all aspects of our democracy and that is regardless of who is really in the white house. and that is a thing that i think that i hear a lot of women that i talk to asking, you know, when are we going to return to that. >> and last word to you. >> you know, we have a president who does not believe in the rule of law, would thinks that the constitution is way too

complicated. who has really invigorated white supremacy, white nationalism. and he attacks people of color, women, with his cruel policies almost every day. guess what that is. that is authoritarianism. that is a banana wrerepublic. and you have a party who is looking the other way. and as long as they are getting everything that they need from him, they do not care. so it is almost as if that co-equal branch of government that is supposed to hold him to account can't really function because that party has decided to look the other way. this is our democracy that we're talking about. and when you were asking what we hear from people, they are worried. they are fearful, they are scared that we are losing our democracy. and so they want to -- you know -- >> but we're not a democracy. we're a republic. rear a representative republic. >> you've made yourself very clear. will, tracy, thank you very much.

erin, jennifer and kareem will stay with me. this has been very clarifying. stick around. senator elizabeth warren is going to join us live from las vegas next.

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bernie sanders' base is known for being passionate and quick to defend the candidate. but ahead of next week's caucuses with an informational flyer breaking down all the health care plans could impact union members and saying the medicare for all plan would end culinary health care, people claiming to be his supporters went on the attack. correspond to the nevada independent, two top officials have faced threatening phone call, emails and tweets and say their personal information was shared online. one of the emails said is this

your chance to fix the mistake before the millions of bernie sanders supporters will find you and end your ability to earn a living. quote, we will find you corrupt expletives. of that you can be sure. and we will make sure that you will wallow in poverty and suffering. the incident has brought backs questions about whether the sanders campaign tries or even can rein in the most vehemenieh supporters. and joining me now is a senior adviser for bernie sanders' campaign and president of solidarity tragedies fully amped with t armed with the hat. wonderful look. let me show you what the union scorecard said. and this union is the most important probably union in

nevada. it says that medicare for all and tlanguage against sanders prompted the furious reaction. here is the sanders statement there your campaign. and this is after the culinary union declined to endorse anyone. he said harassment of all forms is unacceptable to me and we urge supporters of all campaigns not engage in bullying or ugly personal attacks. our campaign is building a multiracially movement of love and compassion and justice. we disagree but must do it in a respectful manner. why all campaigns? it is not all campaigns that were issuing these nasty emails. it was the sand ertz suppoers s. >> and i'll answer your question and i was watching your show, as

a brown man who is a hot headed brown man like me who has a son, i appreciate you bringing up the stop and frisk. but hear in las vegas, the culinary union is absolutely a powerhouse. and we love the unions, bernie sanders has a record of doing that and i think there is a lot of people online and i do believe it is all campaigns. i have nothing but positive support from our supporters, i see them out lifting up the voices of people across the country. but like the senator said, we don't want anybody bullying anybody around any issue. >> but you've heard this before, there is a vibe around sanders' supporters. and i acknowledge that some of them -- social media is not the real world. and a lot of people can be bots, people who like to troll. but i myself have members of your communications team blocked on twitter because going back to 2016, just the nastiness gets so bad that it is unbearable.

and you've got sand ertsz suppo supporters, real humans, who will sick the sanders legion on you if just say bernie sanders in a nonsmiling tone of voice. like if you are not lauding him, you do get attacked. that is a real thing. most of the black journalists that i know who cover politics have experienced it. especially journalists of color. >> well, i'm a brown consultant which is an oddity in democratic politics. so when i'm out on social media, i think about it the same way that you just talked about it, i don't see that as the real world and i think there are outliers on both sides. again, we don't want anybody out there threatening anybody. and all the things that have been turned towards me he on bernie sanders, i've never gotten more love and support and lifting up my voice and i just told you a personal thing about me and my son, like these are the real stories we should be lifting up, not hate and disconte discontent. >> and if it is a coordinated campaign, they will have to figure out a way do something because it because it continues people off. and here is joe biden talking about this very issue earlier

today. >> he may not be responsible for i it, but he has some accountability. i'm not going to put you in a spot. you know me well enough to know if any of my supporters did that, i'd disown them. flat disown them. to say i disassociate is one thin. find out who the hell they are. if any of them work for me. fire them. find out. see what is going on. >> you don't think he has been curious enough? >> i'm hoping that he is looking. >> is there more that the senator could do to rein this stuff in? >> you know, i was with the senator yesterday in a room full of beautiful black and brown people and i was walking around talking to the crowd. and not behind the curtains, but walking through the people. that is where you get the most information. and i never had any of them talk to me about online harassment. i'm not saying that it is not real, but -- >> wait a minute. chuck, hold.

in in a room full of your own assumers, they won't talk aboha rasment. it is people who cover the campaign and who dare to quote polls who show that sanders is not triumphant, people who analyze it. if you analyze the campaign other than sanders is almost god-like in his perfection, you get attacked. it is not his fans, it is everybody else. >> a lot of people online love bernie sanders and i'll say for the third time -- >> are you going to deny this is happening? because i could put on a long line of people -- >> are you really going to put up all the crazy people that could be on the internet who don't like me or don't like you? >> no, no, i'm saying that the people who work in this industry -- this is an honest conversation that needs to be had. but if you are going to deny that this happens, you know, if you are just going to laugh it off or deny that it happens, i'm just telling you that -- >> i'm not laughing it off. >> people who follow this

campaign experience this online. they experience it more from the sanders' fans or people who call themselves that than other campaigns. i've never had biden people do this. so are you -- do you think that sanders should do more about it? >> i don't know how many times we need to answer the question. the sanders speaks for himself. he went on national t haven't and said if anybody was doing anything this hateful associated with his campaign, he would disavow it for all the campaigns. that is receiis bret clearprett. i don't know how many times we have to say that we don't like anyone bullying anyone. >> does his communications director agree with that? >> i don't speak for the communications director. >> are you worried that the whole controversy might hurt sanders because of the outcome because that union is so important in nevada? >> that union has a lot of amazing workers. and we don't talk about all of the culinary people working every day. we spent the last nine months

talking corredirectly to their members and we hope that they show up and cause did you say for us. >> if i would run for office, i'd hire you. >> thank you, joy. >> thanks for being on. with just a few days before the nevada neff caucus, senator elizabeth warren is joining me live. are mo more "a.m. joy" next. hey. you fell asleep with your sign again. "you fell asleep with your sign again." no, i didn't. okay. switch to progressive and you can save hundreds. you know, like the sign says.

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starting in the late 1990s i started ringing the alarm bells about the coming crash, about banks that were taking advantage of families over mortgages, over credit cards. and you know what i discovered? you can ring all the alarm bells you want, but when people's ears are stuffed with money, they don't hear them. >> an interesting point from senator elizabeth warren who isn't gettings a mu as much att on others on the campaign trail.

and a new poll out of never neff shows her in third place with 13% of the vote. and a new national poll shows her with 15%. elizabeth warren is joining us now. and that sound was not even the full extent of the voice loss and the amount that your voice has really been torn apart by all the hard work. so i'm just going to warn the audience, get close to the tv so you ccan hear the senator. i want to start with the question of the attention that you received versus some of the other candidates, male candidates mostly. in your mind, is it because -- more because you are a woman or a liberal woman that people say that she can't be elected so we don't need to pay attention? >> you know, i don't know the answer to that. and let me apologize again for this voice. it is actually from after having done more than 100,000 selfies,

turns out i picked up somebody's cold and this is where it has settled. you know, i see this though as i know why i'm in this fight the and my job is just to get out there and keep fighting, put my head down and do the fight every day. complaining about it is not going to help. so you just get in it and keep fighting. i'm not fighting for myself. i'm fighting for kids who are getting crushed by student loans. i'm fighting for per mothers wh need child care so they can get a job. i'm out there fighting for seniors who can't get by on the social security check. so it is on me to fight as hard as i can to make that case as clearly as i can. but i'm not a lifetime politician. i never thought that i was going to in be in elected office and never thought that i'd be running for office.

but my job is just to keep fighting. >> and michael bloomberg who has really bought his way into a pretty high position in the polls, i've noticed going around the country that a lot of people are terrified that donald trump will win again. even if they like you, they are afraid to support a woman because they think america is too sexist and massaisogynist t ever elect a woman. i've had people say i'm afraid she will become hillary clinton. that has become an adjective. and they say only bloomberg's money can win. what do you say to that voter who says is that a woman can't be elected and we need a billionaire to beat a billionaire? >> so let's start with the first part about a woman winning. understand the world has changed 2016. since 2016, women in competitive races have actually outperformed

men. we took back the house of representatives in 2018. and we took back statehouses and got more state senate and state legislative seats all because women got in those races. and women and friends of women also known as men showed up to support them. we have to recognize how the world changes and it changes because we choose courage over fear. think about 1960 when people said oh, my gosh, we can't have a catholic for the democratic nominee because a catholic can't win across the country. yet our party stepped up and nominated john kennedy. in 2008, a lot of people said we can't have an african-american man because he can't possibly win. but the party stepped up and nominated barack obama. and this both cases, we showed our party is better than that and our country is better than

that. i think in 2020 we cannot only nominate a woman and win, we can nominate a woman and win and actually make changes in this country. >> you know, i can only imagine how eager you are to debate michael bloomberg on the debate stage. he is one poll away to get on that stage. if you have a chance to face him head to head, what is the first thing that you want to say? what is the most important thing that you want to say to his face? >> that? a democracy no one should be able to buy an election. that is not what this is about. i get it, billionaires will have more shoes, they will have more cars, they will have more houses. but they don't get a bigger say in our democracy. if you want to run for office, do it the hard way. get out and meet people, shake hands, ask them to make $5 and $10 contributions. i made the decision when i decided to run for president how

i was going to do it. i wasn't going to spend my time sucking up to the michael bloombergs of the world. i was going to do this grass roots. $5 contributions and $10 contributions. so i want to say to anybody who hears this, if you think it is the right way to run a campaign, go to elizabeth warren.com and pitch in $5. because this really is our democracy that hangs in the balance. if it takes being a billionaire or sucking up to billionaires in order to get the democratic nomination or to be president of the united states, then buckle up, america. because this government will just work better and better for billionaires and leave hard working people further and further behind. that is what hangs in the balance. and michael bloomberg should know that up close and personal. >> and you said you are not a career politician, which is true. but the politicos that do this

for a living have said, well, here are the two mistakes that elizabeth warren made. number one, an alliance with senator sanders that was sort of one-sided. that you simply had a noning nonaggression pact that went one direction and you tied yourself too closely to medicare for all and you gave details, here is how i will pay for it and then once you told people how to pay for it, that hurt your campaign. what do you make of that? >> look, i'm sure there are a lot of people who have a lot of advice for how to run for president. but for me, this isn't about consultants, this isn't about politicos. i'm running a race based on a lifetime of fighting for working families. that is what i've really done. and i'm running a campaign from the heart. i got out there and fought for everything that i believe in and that is what i will keep on doing.

i've watched for decades now as hard working people across this country get squeezed harder and harder has america's middle class has been hollowed out, as we've seen an entire generation of flat wages and rising expenses for housing and health care and child care and for college. and it means that families just keep getting squeezed harder and harder. you know, i mean, you know i do selfie lines after my town halls and i've you now done picture also with more than 100,000 people. but the real part of it is how people tell me how their lives are affected by the decisions that get made in washington. i mean, mothers who just say i can't go to work because child care its isn't available at all or it costs more than i would make in my paycheck. this is a change that we can make. we can ask those at the top to

have a wealth tax and pay for universal child care and early he had gigs every one of our babies. and think what that would mean for those young mothers. but think what it would mean for our economy. more people in the economy, more people finishing their educations, more people able to go back to work. we need an america that doesn't just work for billionaires. we need an america where we invest in our people. that is how we grow an economy. trickle down has been a disaster. it is time to turn that around. >> well, elizabeth warren, senator elizabeth warren, ronald reagan started his run for president for the worst of all reasons. i give you credit for starting off when you were first starting to run i think maybe even before you announced to going into the mississippi delta and talking with black rural communities before anybody was even thinking about mississippi. so i give you credit for that. and also for allowing yourself to get sick for this campaign.

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favorite question -- ♪ that music, you know what it means. who won the week? back with me, erin, jennifer and careen. so who won the week? >> the winner of the week is actually four people. the four prosecutors who quit rather than taking the big -- >> that is what i was thinking. >> it shows you that you do not need to be an enabler, you can say no. you can get other jobs. compared to these people, the united states senate, the republican senate looks like a bunch of enablers which they are. so they upheld their professional oaths, they upheld their oath of office. they kept their dignity. they aare heros. >> any inside scoop to anymore ve resignations? it feels like that would send such a strong message. >> i'm a little surprised. there is a letter circulating, 1100 former justice department officials basically calling on

barr to resign. so i think that it is very possible. i'm a little surprised that there haven't been more. >> yeah, that is a good one. and a little disappointing. >> i thought about that one. >> you've been scooped. >> of course. i've been scooped. >> but i'm still asking the question because it is kind of what i do, who won the week? >> so i'm really excited about mine which is the cast and producers of parparasite. they made history by winning best picture for a foreign language film. and with the oscars being still on white and very, very male, this time around not having female directors, folks like j. lo not getting a nomination for her great job or lupita not getting anything. i thought seeing the cast, which were all people of color, the producers, all people of color

on stage accepting this award, many awards, i thought that was really a wonderful thing to see and con greats to them. it is a great film if you haven't seen it. it talks about wealth inequality in south korea. it really -- i think some people will really connect with that here. >> wonder why. golden globes are also so white. have you ever noticed that the award shows are like from super white, they invite all the blacks? >> yeah, and give out awards. >> yeah, stand here and perform for please. but people are not fooled. and you are in a tough position because you are in position number three which is normally the difficult -- we call it the jason johnson position. where you are under extreme pressure. so, ma'am, who won the week? >> well, you know, it was a tough decision, but as a native of atlanta, georgia, which

influences everything by the way, my vote has to go to the amazi amazing -- fayetteville, stand up, i see you. this viral dance the renegade. and she forced credit for this dance after being dismissed on social media when she put this up. and it is just such a really great story about really demanding what you deserve and not letting anyone erase your story. so i see you and i'm super proud of you. and a shout out to the students of washington and lee university which had their mock convention yesterday. they choose the nominee for the party out of power. they have been doing this for 112 years and they have only been wrong twice, this which is crazy. so yesterday they picked bernie sanders to win the democratic nomination. so i have to say given their track record, this is probably the best endorsement he could get so far.

>> and given all of us, we were all wrong in 2016, maybe just let them decide. because i'll be honest, i don't have any clue. >> no predictions. >> no predictions out of me. and my pick for who won the week, these are all good picks, but this is dead skate indicated indica -- dedicated to the man at 1600 avenue. let's show his favorite person. the batman to his joerk. barack obama made a surprise appearance. these are the stars who i say won the week. zion william son, trae young, luka doncic. the potus came. and i know that you he are enjoying that mr. president. there he is, president obama the most popular president in recent history in our life time, first african-american president. much beloved on his way out of

office. high approval ratings. never impeached. no scandals. and no one in his administration ever put in prison. >> and only one wife. >> fancy that. >> one baby mama. >> and he made zion williamson, trae young and doluka doncic we the people who won the week. and i want to go around really quickly, because i did have elizabeth warren are on. let's go through, the fact that she -- she really has been doing this thing about trying to prevent bankruptcy really for the last -- >> it has been her career. >> and you can explain -- i mean, i cannot explain why she is not polling better. >> i think that it is a bunch of things. i think the woman thing plays a role. the sexism. we were talking about it earlier, a group of us. i think that what is happening is a lot of these voters are paying pundits because they are

so worried about what is about to happen, who can beat donald trump. and i think that that is part of it. because she has run an incredibly great campaign. and the progressive lane. i think bernie is clearly console dating that. and she hasn't been able to -- >> does it help her that she has mod wrerated her medicare for a stance? >> i think that that is a great position for her to be in for the general election. i don't know whether she lost some support in the primary. people say, well, i wanted to go whole hog so i go with bernie. one thing that she has going for her, voters have a mind of their own. look at amy klobuchar. she came out of nowhere. >> and who is popping out there on the campaign trail? >> i jrs want ust want to this gender is absolutely playing out in this election. we are still asking can a woman win when hillary clinton won the

popular vote. and we saw in 2018 that women swept in the most diverse congress that we've ever had. it is ridiculous. and amy klobuchar got endorsed by the houston chronicle. i think that we still get judged on performance while men are judged on their potential. and so i think that women as candidates and voters are still being patronized and that is something we have to do a better job of. >> amen. and anyone can win if you vote for them. anyone can win if enough people vote for them. thank you guys very much. for pee 45 plus at average risk. i've heard a lot of excuses to avoid screening for colon cancer. i'm not worried. it doesn't run in my family. i can do it next year. no rush. cologuard is the noninvasive option that finds 92% of colon cancers. you just get the kit in the mail, go to the bathroom, collect your sample, then ship it to the lab. there's no excuse for waiting. get screened.

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that is the show for today. "a.m. joy" will be back next saturday. i really enjoyed playing that video of president obama with those kids. >> of course you did. >> that was the uplift i need. >> and i was listening to your who won the week and what erin was saying about the kids from washington and lee having correctly predicted the incoming nominee, not from the party in power, for 112 years. you know the two they got wrong? barack obama in '08 and they got george mcgovern wrong back in '72. >> interesting. >> i found that really interesting. i was like, wow, what a record for those kids. >> that is amazing. >> so good for bernie, as she said. >> vch