telephone hearing after all four prosecutors withdrew from the case last week. in an apparent protest over bill barr's intervention in the case as of now, stone's sentencing is set for thursday. that does interest for me. you can find me always on first look at 5:00 a.m. eastern. ari is back tomorrow night at 6:00 p.m. "hardball" with chris mathews is next. >> getting close. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris mathews. on presidents day, the fight for the democratic presidential nomination is now come down to man-to-man fighting. bernie sanders has a lead to protect now and fears mike bloomberg coming on. bloomberg knows he has to beat bernie on super tuesday or has to fight his way all the way back from that. how long will biden and warren hang on? much as long as they do because

as long as they do they're hurting bloomberg and bernie each in their own way. tonight the democratic presidential candidates are taking their message to nevada. the voters out there ahead of saturday's caucus. nevada which is the most diverse state of the first four contests will prove to be a new challenge for all the candidates. vermont senator bernie sanders heads into the state seeking to project the image of a front runner. >> as all of you know, we won the popular vote in iowa. [ cheers and applause ] we won the new hampshire primary. [ cheers and applause ] with your help, we're going to win here in nevada. [ cheers and applause ] we are going together to win the democratic nomination. [ cheers and applause ] and together we are going to defeat trump and transform this

country. >> that's an odd look at that camera there. nevada's culinary workers union which is the state's most effective voter turnout machine with like 70,000 members has declined to endorse any of the candidates. the union did, however, make clear by distribution fliers in english and spanish they do not support senator sanders and his medicare for all plan. sanders supporters were sharply critical of the union for that, lashing out at them in twitter and emails using crude language that i can't repeat. it was really terrible language. according to nevada independent, two top officials of the culinary union face threatening phone calls, emails and tweets and their personal information was shared -- in other words, they put out the person's addresses so people can get at them or whatever. the harass them, who knows why. in an initial statement more than 24 hours after the attacks were publicized, senator sanders condemned harassment in all forms. all forms? and here's what he told the pbs news hour.

>> obviously that is not acceptable to me. i don't know who these so-called supporters are. you know, we're living in a strange world on the internet. anybody making personal attacks against anybody else in my name is not part of our movement. >> former new york city mayor michael bloomberg attacked sanders' twitter followers. in fact, supporters commonly known as bernie bros, here's part of the bloomberg ad. >> it is vitally important for those of us who hold different

views to be able to engage in a civil discourse. >> it was getting close. in a new release, bernie's bro, bloomberg's campaign manager writes, it is shapeful to see bernie sanders and donald trump deploy the very same attacks and tactics against mike. at this point the primary is bernie's to lose and ours to win. bernie knows this. trump knows this. that's why they're against mike. they have bloomberg playing golf with trump. meanwhile on the campaign trail this week, look at that. that is a crowd. 11,000 supporters out in denver. that's trump-style rally there. just five days coming up to the saturday caucus, one long-time nevada pollster told mcclatchy news, this race is wide open in nevada. i'm joined by adrian elrod from

the dcc, hillary clinton's campaign in 2016. eugene columnist at the washington post. and national political reporter. thank you. i guess, where are we going with bernie on this thing? is it fair to say he was separate from the tough guys against the culinary workers. here's the address. you know people play this dirty stuff once in while. >> there's duplicity. bernie sanders has received support from online supporters. you go after beto o'rourke, they go over elizabeth warren. >> what is the tactic besides using bad language and scaring people? >> in this case it sounds like a lot of actual harassment. in previous cases simply more of the political, trying to undermine the other candidates, trying to spread -- in some cases real information, other cases misinformation. but they're very, very

aggressive. and they do not reflect what you see from bernie sanders on the campaign trail when he says things like we should be able to engage in a civil discourse. these are very, very different things that are coming out of the sanders campaign. by the way, that's not unique. >> did he say something like whoever does it kind of a general condemnation, rather than condemnation of those people? >> you heard some of him basically saying no matter who does this, right? it's a sort of trumpian construction. >> yeah. gene, what do you make of this? you and i have been around. there's kind of a thing here. the nastiest thing, the kind of words, the worst sort of places, we know all the words, all the awful words throne at these top women. terrible language. the one i grabbed onto, giving the home addresses out. what's the purpose of that except more -- >> well, harassment is the purpose of that. look, there is a somewhat different tone. john is right there are fervent and sometimes obnoxious

supporters of all the candidates. there is a different tone coming from that wing of the sanders movement. and it has -- >> how would you compare it to the tone of the people around him? he's got some tough guys around him. >> he's got some tough guys. >> i could use them. >> you're not going to. it's sort of built on the sense of grievance, right? you know, he was jobbed in 2016. >> major nfl football games and stuff like that. >> stuff like that, right. he won the popular vote in iowa, but he didn't actually win the iowa caucuses. that was pete buttiegieg according to the way they count it. and, and the threat, the idea of the threat that, that these -- all these other establishment forces are out to take it away from bernie. >> is this smart for bloomberg to jump on this? >> it is. it's smart, but also interesting. this is the first contrast ad he's put out on -- >> there's the phrase, you are so careful.

i love this, contrast ad. most would call them negative ads. >> democratic presidential candidate instead of trump. he chose not to go after the economy, not to go after medicare for all. not to draw a contrast on the policy issues, but bernie bros online. that's interesting. he is previewing what is to come wednesday night assuming mike bloomberg gets on the debate stage one poll away. >> he is on that stage wednesday night, first time, new kid on the block. everybody is going to be going after him, the new kid. like tissue rejection from all of them, right? >> absolutely. look, they're going to say he's not a democrat, he doesn't represent the party. >> bernie doesn't either technically. >> true, but the most talked about candidates right now are the ones that don't associate with the party and one who is the former mayor of new york. >> all had the option to run on the ticket if they wanted to. >> mike bloomberg's charge here is to throw hay makers. he's going to make an argument

you need to beat donald trump down and he can protect the democratic party and he can be its champion and that he can knock donald trump out. the first thing he's going to do is start throwing punches at the other democrats who have not been doing anything on the debate stages the last year. >> i think so. because you remember like all of four years ago there was a candidate named trump who got ganged up on on the debate stage. he punched back hard in his way. and the rest is history. now, i don't know if bloomberg is capable of that sort of performance or would try to do that sort of performance on the debate stage. >> he was like robert deniro. are you looking at me? you talking to me? that kind of behavior. >> all the moderates have to be careful about the way they approach this debate. if they go with their gut instincts and pile on mike bloomberg on the debate stage, bernie sanders may come out looking fantastic. >> exactly.

>> while the moderate pragmatic wing of the party is sort of disshelved. >> give bernie the boost, a lead in delegates. they're trying to catch up. >> here's a thought for a lecture. the shape of the field determines the winner. and when jimmy carter ran against four or five liberals back in '76, they sigh phoned each others votes away. he walked in as a moderate. this time it's different. four moderates, biden hanging in there. elizabeth, pete. we call them by their first names. we know them well. they're going to be around. but one guy on the left, progressive left picks up the marbles. just like jimmy carter picked up the marbles as the moderate. >> that's certainly the strategy. warren wanted to be the progressive candidate and fight him for that. he won the inter murals and knocked her into that moderate lane. he cleaned up, especially after his heart attack.

a lot of bernie sanders supporters came home after that. they said, you heard alexandra ocasio-cortez talk about it in a passionate term. the one thing he has a problem with, if he doesn't come into the convention with a serious number of delegates, the party will gang up on him. >> michelle goldberg said something that's true. i think we are getting to this. super tuesday is only what, two weeks off tomorrow. this is it. this is so close to armageddon time, reckoning time. not armageddon. gun fighting at the o.k. corral. if bernie winds the plurality, the popular vote, most votes cast in the primary, caucuses, he can't be denied. is that your view? if he gets 38 he can't be denied. >> i think there will be a serious attempt to deny him. but it depends on the size of the plurality, right? if he comes in -- you mean 1900 some delegates? >> 991.

>> suppose he has 40%. >> if he comes in with 1700 delegates, is that close? >> suppose he's at 35% or 30%. he's got the most. >> i think that's why he wanted the raw numbers to come out of the caucuses this time. he wants to make the argument that i have the popular number. exactly. >> i'll put this on the table up or down, can you do this? we can all do this. you can start. he comes in with about 30, 35%, which is really high for him. he's getting about 27. okay, let's say he comes in at 30%. does he own it? and nobody else has 30. >> there's a war over it and he does not own it. and part of the reason is that his people were on the commission that wrote the rules for this time that allowed somebody who came in with 30% -- >> he could be the nominee. >> that's true or somebody who wasn't in the mix, yeah. >> i don't think that's going to happen. >> but i don't think 30% is enough to guarantee him. >> okay. by the way, any chance hillary will be drafted? >> i doubt it.

>> sherrod brown? >> i would not rule out anything at this point in february. >> the democrats are not going to nominate somebody on the floor of the convention who did not run for president. that is a guarantee. >> even if they go down in total defeat. anyway, former senate majority leader harry reid, i'll have him friday. he's a king maker in nevada. he wanted joe biden out of the race. let's watch harry reid. >> i think it's way too early to count joe biden out. as i've said here this morning several times already, iowa and new hampshire are not representative of the country. he's going to do well in nevada. he's going to do extremely well in south carolina. so people should not be counting joe biden out of the race yet. >> well, that's really the question. this race, gene, is not winnowing out. >> no, it's not. >> everybody has a right to -- well, elizabeth warren still in it. and, of course, amy klobuchar.

>> amy klobuchar is moving up -- >> people are surviving. it used to be two tickets out of this, two tickets. that kills the chances of bloomberg uniting the moderates. >> i don't think anybody gets out. look, if biden finishes third or fourth in south carolina, i think he gets out, right, because that -- >> you were on "meet the press" yesterday. i watched you there when he said, i had to do well in south carolina. >> he needs to win south carolina. you know, jim claiborne said the other day if the election were today, biden would win south carolina. and i don't think jim says that lightly. >> heed have done better if he had done this show. he hasn't done it yet, i don't know what that's all about. unless you get out there and get in the arena -- and this is the arena -- you got a shot. nobody wins the presidency by not khashogshowing up. thank you. hillary is not getting in the race. thank you. gene robinson and jonathan

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president trump said to me. i hope they become public someday. he tweets but i can't talk about it. how fair is that? he added, we'll have to see what comes out of the censorship. when asked if trump's call with ukrainian president zelensky was perfect, in quotes, bolton said, you'll love chapter 14. when asked if he was concerned about attacks on vindman and yovanovitch, bolton said, i think it's legitimate to worry about it. janet pettypiece joins us, former federal prosecutor joyce vance. bolton just wrapped up his remarks at duke university. carol, did he say anything behind the cutesy teases? >> well, they were a bunch of teases as you mention, but also what's really palpable, his frustration with the white house over this review of his book and the fact he's being silenced while the president can talk about things that he was involved in in the white house, and then, you know, like he said

there was a lot of innuendo. called ukraine the sprinkles on the sundae of his book, teasing that other things in there are far more explosive. if you want to wade into some policy, he said it was critical in everything from iran to north korea. those are failed policies, venezuela policy is failed. he said he's not tough enough on russia. in fact, in the context of talking about russia specifically, the president's meeting in helsinki with president putin he was willing to put up with i a lot which meant he was not happy with the way the meeting went. he tolerated it as long as he was making headway on other things. the battle between the white house and john bolton over his book continues. i spoke with an aide to him earlier today who said that they are now -- don't -- aren't sure if his book will come out on its scheduled publication date which is likely. he's gearing up for a fight.

he said he can't speak freely. under threat of legal action from the executive branch and everything is caught up in this review. >> did he confirm -- not that we need aid confirmation, but did he confirm the president made a dirty deal with zelensky, i want the dirt on biden or you don't get your arms? did he confirm that? >> he didn't. he wouldn't go into those sorts of details. he was more kind of teasing about it and also saying -- he was teasing, you know, it's all in his book and stay tuned. and at the same time saying he wanted to say more but he couldn't because he's under this sort of lack of a better phrase, gag order while his book is under national security review. the white house said there's classified information in there that can't be published and that's what the hold up is. he disputes that and says there's not. in fact, he repeated again tonight what his lawyer had said, which is that he didn't even think he had to submit this book for review, but he did so out of an abundance of caution. so he didn't go into and said he

wouldn't go into details about ukraine and what he thought about all of that, but, you know, teased and said chapter 14 and things like that. >> how much did people pay to hear this nothing? >> well, tickets were free, but they were first come first serve. there were 1200 people there who packed into the auditorium. and, you know, a number of them submitted questions. in fact, the one that was moved, did you think the president's call with zelensky was perfect. >> must be amazing to pay to good money to go to the gypsy rose lee of national security. thank you, carol lee for the reporting tonight. >> thanks. >> i love the aspect of your work tonight. meanwhile attorney general bill barr is taking heat from a group of d.o.j. officials, 2000 of them, after intervening in the crimin criminal case of roger stone. that sentencing is coming up. 2000 alumni of the u.s. justice department issued a joint

statement condemning bar to let politics influence the justice semg temperature there. they write, it is unheard of for the it department's top leaders to overrule line leaders for preferential treatment over the president. doing the president's personal bidding, those actions require mr. barr to resign. notably the signatories in the statement include barr's old boss, the former deputy attorney general in the george herbert walker bush administration, donald ire. writing in the atlantic, by the way, it says barr's actions are so extreme, quote, it is not too strong to say that bill barr is unamerican. that's pretty strong. let's go everybody. joyce vance, starting with you. what do you make of all these top officials and all kinds of officials, bipartisan group, public servants, professional prosecutors, if you will, investigators, what do you make of all them coming out like this putting their names on something, this document? you're on there, joyce. i just learned that. >> it's unusual for this many

prosecutors to speak with one voice, chris. obviously this is a topic that one would expect heated debate on. the letter, i understand, was the product of a lot of negotiation, but at the end of the day 2,000, and that number continues to grow as more people sign the letter, have voiced their concern about this attorney general's continued service. >> who is at the head of this? what was the straw that broke the camel's back, if you will? whose group was behind this that got the signatures together? >> i think there were a number of different groups of people inside d.o.j., alums, as you say, former assistant u.s. attorneys, former u.s. attorneys. if you look at the signatories on this letter there, former fbi agents, there are people who worked at career lawyers in the department for several decades. so it really spans, republicans and democrats spread across the country geographically. and what it highlights is the

concern that d.o.j. is an institution that is effective because people trust it. people believe that there is integrity in the decision-making process at d.o.j. that's what bill barr has destroyed by overriding a decision made by career prosecutors. their u.s. attorneys signed off on the initial submission. now all of a sudden one of the president's close friends gets special treatment that no other defendant in a criminal case has received. >> you know, shannon, what got to me, i had the inkling this guy was not going to be a good a.g., the president's roy cohn, he's getting older. the showcase the way he did, it didn't accomplish anything, he basically -- whatever the right word is, he took all the power away from it. >> they highlight the real difficulty of being trump's attorney general. i remember shortly before the mueller report came out talking to people who had worked with

bill barr throughout his career who were really confident that he would be an independent attorney general because he had such a career, such a reputation that he had spent his life, that he had worked tirelessly to build up and they argued he's not going to throw that away for trump because he has no allegiances to trump. as you point out, that quickly started to change after the mueller report where we started to see, maybe he was there to help out trump. now, of course, we see what's happening now. but i'll tell you, trump is not exactly happy with barr now either. he's very angry about the mccabe decision, not prosecuting mccabe that came out on friday. here you have barr being attacked by his peers, his colleagues, the people he tried to build this reputation up with his entire professional life and still the president is dissatisfied with him and they have a tense relationship right now. >> the former justice officials who wrote this come from current d.o.j. employees. they are encouraging them to report abuses, refuse to carry

out political directives. if necessary withdraw or resign from cases involving such misconduct. joyce, what do you make of that? i think the basic request that they go to the inspector general with anything they see they think that smells. >> so, i think it's important for the people who work at d.o.j. today, the career people to understand that they have support on the outside from the alums. but, chris, it's a difficult situation for people who work in small u.s. attorneys offices across the country. it is very difficult, for instance, to go to the leadership of this justice department with a complaint about your u.s. attorney or your criminal chief. so i have great empathy for the career people in the department who may face difficult decisions. my sense is that most people at justice are doing their jobs like they've always done and they're keeping their heads down. they're doing the right thing every day. but for people who are faced with the decision that's

motivated improperly, politically, then they do need to find a way to come forward. >> this president who is clearly running for reelection is running basically on a platform that i can do anything i want. >> yes. >> not like nixon with david frost after he's out of the white house after being kicked out. but the guy running for reelection i can do what i want. nixon said if i do it, it's not illegal. and here's the guy saying, it doesn't mean that i do have as president, that i do not have as president the legal right to do it. i do. he's basically saying i can do what i want. >> he's surrounded by people who are making that argument to him about the broad expanse of presidential powers, including his own attorney general who wrote a memo before he was hired as attorney general outlining this view of broad expansive presidential power. so he has surrounded himself by lawyers who are telling him this and, of course, coming out of impeachment, he feels no reason to hold back. why should he?

democrats, through their strongest constitutional weapon at him, he survived it. between now and election day, the advisors around him are telling him don't hold back. you have free reign and feel like you have some liberty here. >> i think the american people, my little admonition, pay attention this time you vote. when you're angry, think about it. do you want to put a president back in office who believes he's above the law? donald trump says so, i am above the law. shannon pettypiece, thank you so much. joyce vance, thank you as always. trump kicked off the daytona 500 with around around the track in what's called the beast, the presidential limo. what a show. this is like a third world dictator or something. it's -- highailai selassi might have done this. anyway, you're watching "hardball."

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i love mondays. welcome back to "hardball." just over the weekend after his acquittal on two articles of impeachment, president trump spent part of his presidents day weekend taking literally a victory lap of sorts. well, it's a victory lap, when sunday the president served as grand marshal at the daytona 500 in florida. he took the presidential limb

se limousine called the beast to refrm rev up his reelection effort in florida. it is a national event actually. if the president seems unphased in the impeachment trial, part of a pattern, shamelessness, from his administration's slow response in hurricane maria in puerto rico to 2018, the mueller report, he the hasn't shown any interest in self-reflection in the face of setbacks. >> how do you take what happened in puerto rico, how do you apply the lessons you learned in puerto rico? >> i think puerto rico was incredibly successful. i think the puerto rico was an incredible unsung success. >> what lesson did you learn most from looking at those results? was there one thing that as you kind of reviewed them you'll change your strategy, not just for congress, but kind of going forward? and i have a follow-up question. >> i think the results that i've learned, may be confirmed, i think people like me. i think people like the job i'm

doing frankly. >> mr. president -- did not exonerate you. >> so, there is no such thing. he didn't have the right to exonerate. >> just one day after dismissing robert mueller's testimony, the president had the july 25th call with ukraine's president set in motion of course his impeachment. bad behavior leads to bad behavior. the president was asked last week, by the way, what he learned from impeachment. this is classic or unclassic. >> the republicans had said they hoped you learned a lesson from impeachment. what lesson did you learn from impeachment? >> that the democrats are crooked. they have a lot of crooked things going. that they're vicious. that they shouldn't have brought impeachment. >> anything -- >> my whole numbers are ten points higher. >> he sounded like he was on a street fight. it's amazing. i'm joined by howard fineman, msnbc contributor and republican strategist. howard, the trash talk is so shameless. who is it working with in this

culture of ours? it's working somewhere. these numbers are very even. >> the amazing thing is donald trump is a new yorker, but he's an outer borough new yorker and he has all of the resentments -- >> are you talking to me? >> are you talking to me? resentments from somebody out there in queens who comes to manhattan with a chip on his shoulder. that emotional dynamic allows him to go straight dot cortex of the people at daytona 500. i haven't seen anything like it in tway long time. lee at water had to instruct george bush. trump who never lived outside of new york has that sense of resentment -- >> by the way, that resentment, howard, you and i know -- >> it's gold. >> not just midwestern south, bucks county, pennsylvania, opened up a swag store. lines around the block for trump paraphernalia. these people have an attitude -- >> chris, this was invented in

new york after the riots in the '60s, the social turmoil there. the end of the subway lines was where the resentment was, and that's the people that trump appeals to. >> and i know. >> the primary trump won every single new york county except manhattan. >> he lost his own neighborhood, i believe. he lost his whole neighborhood. >> parts of staten island? part of queens. let me ask you. the argument i before the fwi20 election, when the polls are wrong, we bless them. i knew about this attitude. we know about it. all the experts said there aren't enough angry white people out there, angry white men, there aren't enough. too much diversity, women don't think like this even though they live with men like this. is there enough? i have the feeling there's enough for trump, just enough. >> i don't know who buys all this stuff, resentment, people

who go to daytona 500. he would be more ballsy if he drove a stock car. that was a wimpish -- >> he had the beast out there. >> anybody can -- >> i was on the subway coming up and back. they get on the train, be careful, this train goes 300 miles an hour. no, it doesn't. buckle ear buckle up. are you craze? it's like a buckboard. acquittal remarks, trump offered just one apology. >> i want to apologize to my family for having them have to go through a phony rotten deal by some very evil and sick people. >> that's a hellful of an apol. in comparison to clinton in his

remarks after an acquittal. >> i want to say again to the american people how profoundly sorry i am for what i said and did to trigger these events and the great burden they have imposed on the congress and on the american people. >> it's so interesting by comparison. >> except that -- let me make an observation. bill clinton did what he had done. >> he had a relationship he shouldn't have with a younger woman at the white house, and he lied about it. the only part i had a problem, legitimate argument with he shouldn't have gone in the roosevelt room with the white house. dianne feinstein, cabinet members and used them as part of his shield. he shouldn't have done that. >> this is a pattern behavior that he has used to survive his entire political career. donald trump has used a different pattern of behavior, but it's still a pattern of behavior, right? he's not going to apologize. but i will say --

>> which is honest? >> i don't know which is honest. i will say donald trump being acquitted in all of this is actually in some sense the worst thing that could happen to him. it's like an addict, no offense, to winning a lottery. it will kill you. >> i think it made his people angry and he'll use that anger. >> he's using it to write his version of history. as we know, the victor's right to history. also autocrats write the history. what he's engaged in now is trying to rewrite for his own campaign pr campaign purposes what happened the last two or three years. he knows if he repeats it again and again and again it will be the version of history, be the version of history that his voters will base their votes on. >> -- writers write history, howard. >> no, guys writing newspaper columns. >> bankrupt the less newspapers we have the less he'll be believed. >> guess who has a new outfit? mike bloomberg.

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agency's next chief of staff. there she is. i'm joined by bill nye science educator, science guy host of the rule's podcast. why would anybody want to go work for the environmental protection agency if they didn't want to protect the environment? i mean, that's a basic question. >> well, to provide reasons is one thing. she is a long-time coal advocate. her husband has been very strong advocate for the petroleum institute, i believe. and so these people believe that fossil fuels, fossil fuel burning is not a problem, carbon monoxide is not a big problem. i have to point out, i have a very close friend in oklahoma, okay. you guys, we have to turn this around. i mean, your senator mr. enhoff acts as though -- i don't know if he really can't, but he acts as though he can't multiply. and that is a deep concern. so here's what's happened,

chris. may i call you chris? >> sure. >> she was here as the director of air and radiation. she went to this organization called energy 45, which you alluded to earlier. >> right. >> to promote mr. trump's policies. but it's i believe it's based on route 45 in oklahoma. but now she's moving up the org chart to here to the center where she's going to have more influence and so on. so, the other thing i find striking about -- she and her husband, they have two kids. they have two young kids, and they're going to inherit this earth and they are going to have to interact with their parents when their parents have been strong advocates of putting more carbon dioxide in the earth. what they do, very common in the people that they have hired, the

environmental protection agency of late, including mr. wheeler, is confuse or try to blur the idea that carbon dioxide, although not a traditional pollutant, is a problem. carbon dioxide is the problem. yes, methane is a problem, some other greenhouse gases are the problem. but buzz there is so much carbon dioxide, it is the main thing that we need to address. and this whole idea -- >> you mean, the stuff that kills you if you park your car in the garage and close the door? >> that's also carbon monoxide which replaces oxygen on your hemoglobin in your blood. it's not that perfect, but carbon dioxide holds in heat on the earth. and without carbon dioxide -- >> are you saying dioxide or -- >> monoxide is what you use to kill yourself or your rival, and dioxide is what plants transpire to breathe.

i was trying to gently point out that carbon dioxide is not how you kill yourself, although you could, sure. >> i understand. i misheard you, not misunderstood you. anyway, the end of 2019 the trump administration had rolled back 95 environmental rules according to "the new york times." so here's the question. people act like we can't fix things, we can't change patterns. i remember l.a. when you flew out there 20, 30 years ago, it was marshy, it was yellow, it was awful. it smelled like air aviation fuel whatever all the time. i remember the kcayoga river -- the idea of sacrifice is too hard. how about the idea of hope? can't we instill hope in people we can do something with climate, that we can still accomplish our goals? >> so, chris, i am so optimistic about the future. when young people are running the show, all this stuff is going to change. these people are going -- the

sekaras of the world are going to be throwbacks. he's going to be a throwback. >> he is a throwback. >> article 1 section 8 clause 8 of the u.s. constitution refers to the progress of science and useful arts. you know, we all like to talk about what the founding fathers had in mind. well, they had science in mind, everybody. and carbon dioxide being put into the air by the burning of fossil fuels has been shown to make the world warmer faster than ever in earth's history, with the exception of asteroid impacts. so, you guys, we can fix these problems. we can innovate. clean water, renewable electricity, access to the internet for everybody in the world raise the standard of women and girls, and happy presidents day. >> that's why young people are on your side, sir. thank you very much, bill nye the science guy. right back after this.

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