who have said they have witnessed issues at the precincts with incorporating the early vote with the same day caucus activity. 75,000 early votes cast statewide. trying to take the results from folks who voted days ago and merge it with what's happening in realtime with the people who show up and break up into the groups so at about 10% of the locations with the national election pool has folks witnessing the activity, thacey have been seeing the issues. i don't know if that goes into the delay. the other significance of not having anything from the state democratic party to relay to you from them, they officially say this is what happened in this and that precinct, our decision desk making calls and characterizations is limited in what it can do and say. it wants to see formal vote from

the state democratic party. these are reports from spotters at the various precincts. 186 of them you see right here. spotters that took the vote down as announced and sent it in to our consortium and were able to report that and able to report the second preference and not report that final delegate total, that key delegate total coming from the state party and they haven't given us precincts yet. not seeing anything official, from the state party, you can't get a characterization from the decision desk beyond what we have said so far. >> hey, steve, ralston wants in on this fast. >> i feel badly for steve. exists on data. hurting tonight. the state democratic party learned something from iowa. i think they decided we would rather be late we are the results and correct and not to have go through what iowa went through so i think they're doing

all kinlds of quality control before they put out the numbers so people can't come back and say look at the errors. this was always going to be the most difficult issue. you have to transfer 75,000 votes over to the exact precincts and have the exact rank choices. hundreds of volunteers, thousands of volunteers, you will have mistakes made. i don't think they'll put anything out official until they are sure of the numbers. that is the lesson learned from iowa. >> ie perhaps as late as much of the east coast been to sleep for several hours. only in vegas can you say go from par taos rio and just mean switching between two hotel and casinos but today finds us in the paris theater. and garrett haake is just down the strip in rio. that's where the temporary headquarters have been set up for the state democratic party. what's the as they say the mood

there? >> reporter: this ballroom is just starting to fill in with reporters and other folks from the state to be on the ground when the results come in. i can put steve's mind at ease a little bit because the spokesperson said they're getting the results in despite the folks having trouble and getting the results in and they intend to have them up shortly. that being the operative message. hoping to get them up soon. excuse me. soon is the words from the nevada state democratic party as they try to turn these results around. unlike with a primary where the votes come in all day long, depyett the early vote being taken early, doesn't count until it's combined with the caucus vote and all those caucuses are finishing up more or less around the same time. ni i was in that site earlier today, ten precincts and probably finished within ten minutes of each other. the results from 2,000-plus

precincts all over the state coming in at the same time and assured they're coming in and that we will see results in the next too distant future, brian. >> all right. garrett haake, thank you. steve kornacki, we the collective news media love the post-debate bounce story. we are forever talking about the candidates who received a bounce coming out of of what's perceive ed as a strong debate performance. you can't blame people wondering, hey, i thought warren had a strong night. just remind folks by percentage how much of the vote was done and dusted before the debate. >> yeah. we don't know. we know that 75,000 early votes the state party told us cast. we know that turnout in 2016 for the caucuses was 84,000. turnout in 2008, the first time they did them, 117,000 and change and we expect that that 75,000 that voted early is probably the majority.

the overwhelming majority? is it the slim majority? we don't know. we expect certainly that final number to eclipse the 2016 number. would it get up close to that 2008 level? maybe even exceed that. at least 75,000. probably a majority cast ahead of time. another quick point there on what garrett was saying. i hope he's right. i hope the state party is right about that but soon was the word of iowa. hour after hour. i remember being right behind this board checking in at 9:00, 10:00, 11:00, midnight and we kept hearing from the state party they're coming soon. i want to give the nevada democratic party the benefit of the doubt. they're trying to do something much more complicated. they took some steps as a result of iowa to try to make this smoother. but again, we are now at 6:05 p.m. on the east coast. 3:05 pacific time at this same point in 2016 different system back then and then in 2016 we

had 88% of the vote in so hopefully with the state party relaying to garrett not just bluster and will have something to back it up. we'll see. >> when they have anything, we'll go back to them but for now i see nicole wallace in the new york studio. nicole? >> thank you, brian. we have been joined by new friends. al sharpton, ari melber. we were talking about the conversation with james carville. it deeply agitates the sanders base when their tactics and enthusiasm for the candidate is called out. why do you think that is? >> i think he has a passionate -- >> and good. >> -- and committed base. that's good. but if he is the front-runner now, if they expand and bring the senate and the house with them, they're going to have to learn not to be thin skinned and make friends. you'd sometime to v to go into combat to win primaries. but if you're going to be the

nominee you have to deal with addition, not subtraction. i would -- i have had to do this in the civil rights career. calm people down because you really need to win because the objective for the democrats is to beat donald trump. you wasn't tonight to have half the party angry with you. if he doesn't have a senate with him, elected president and the house he won't get any of the things he proposed which are good done and becoming the enemy of his own troops because nothing will be done. so i think that they -- there needs to be dress rehearsal on how to deal with front running to add and keep going because you don't want to get people to where they're saying they not only i don't think can govern but many ways affronting me an i'm not supporting the candidate. you can't win like that. not the big prize. >> you sat down yesterday and were on -- we got to talk about it 4:00 yesterday in the

interview runs tomorrow with michael bloomberg. he hangs over today's results, i don't know if what regard. as you said bernie's an obvious dominant front-runner now but he hangs over it as an open question, whether the money is a factor, either behind i guess bernie if he's the ultimate nominee or behind his own candidacy or a bernie alternative. what did you hear from him in your interview to shed light on? >> that i asked him why he did so badly. >> what did he say? >> he had a bad night and what will he do different at south carolina's debate. he said watch. might be different. i don't know if it will matter. i think that the question of money, one of the things i think was interesting that was not raised is when i talked to michael bloomberg and i said, you and bernie sanders differ, if sanders wins the nomination and you said you will commit a lot of money whether you win or

not, will you support sanders? he said, yes. no one asked bernie if bloomberg wins would you support bloomberg? no one asked bernie when we go through -- nobody's beat bloomberg up more than i have on stop and frisk. i led a lot of rallies in new york. about the crime bill. the stand on guns. so a lot of this -- when you get into south carolina and forward, a lot -- expanded black voting base and did better than expected with black voters in nevada tonight, if tuesday night they start chipping away at some of that does that chip away am soft of his turnout? i think that's the question and carville was right. you have to also make the argument if you don't bring the senate with you and lose the house, we are talking about just head hunting here and you could lose the body. and therefore, you get nothing done. you cannot run this country if you only have the white house and you have a republican senate

and a republican house. nothing will get done. you'll be sitting there arguing for four years and the people that are passionate will be frustrated. >> ari, this question of vetting bernie sanders was something something that james carville brought up. the biden campaign intended it for the message this week and had to by i think necessity had to be about viability and why do you think bernie's record haven't vetted? >> ironically, the establishment's issues with him and the underestimation of senator sanders has left some of the other candidates and perhaps the press plays a role in this, print articles that vet front-runners may have not kicked into gear early enough and a fascinating and layered question. i worked a presidential campaign. you worked for a president. it is all about what you can count. i worked in the kerry campaign and what you can count.

people close to this like you, mr. carville, others, have noticed in all the ways to count senator sanders is not just leading the race right now. in many of the ways you can count he has been leading as long as there's been a 2020 primary. i don't count a day where joe biden was leading in anything we can count. and the other thing that relates to the rev's interview with bloomberg as you said hangs over this, senator bernie sanders is the only person in this race right now who is voter funded and can finish the race. that is very important because many of these other kacandidate who hope to be an alternative can't draw on voter donations from democrats or other who is are involved this race to say whether they'll be around in a month or two so in those countable ways bernie sanders is in the lead. whether in the debate people figure out to press him, i think is a really important question.

>> where are we if we feel like we have a choice between a president who views himself as above the law and not my assessment but democrats and republicans part of the justice department and past presidents, and what ari and the rev describe as a candidate not vetted by the press or the other democrats? >> i think people feel worried right now but as ari said, my question is, hello democrats. what were you thinking? you can have journalists and analysts with ideas of what might be happening and expound but looking at the numbers you are right, ari. he is leading for a long time here. what is the -- right now i think there's so much concern of the democratic party. look at what happens with nevada right now. the level of disorganization that we're all kind of feeling and i think that there's a concern about what up with the party here? what were you thinking? why didn't you analyze this? and i think that's part of

bern bernie's appeal, the. >> you are pointing at party leadership and to echo that this is a party that set rules for the debates. we have pointed out that the party chairman said publicly in january you don't change the rules midstream because candidates are forced out. senator booker and harris has interest. he understood it was hard to stay in the conversation and the fund raising. they just changed the rules to bring in michael bloomberg to make the debate stage and i think what hangs over this is that put a lot of energy and attention on someone who wasn't the front-runner. >> ought to be grateful. in many ways -- >> worked out great for him. >> i think that the strategy was if you have to have 15% to get delegates i don't think it was crazy to say you have to have a higher level of the poll because if you couldn't get 10% in the poll how will you get 15%? i never bought that argument.

>> why? this is the question. i don't have the answer. why did the democratic party rush to bring someone in as the reverend wasn't running in those states? >> again, i think that they were dealing with a percentage that's saying if you have to get 15% of the delegate -- the vote to get delegates in iowa, whatever, you have to get a certain amount in the poll but in the end sanders ought to be glad they bought bloomberg in and going after bloomberg rather than bernie and raise the vetting questions tuesday night that bloomberg becomes his best aide but the real problem i think as i agree with mary and ari about the state democrats and the established democratic party laid back off bernie because they were -- they underestimated him. i also think a lot of people were intimidated by the trollers. >> no doubt! >> and the reason i didn't -- i grew up with people throwing things at us, calls us names in marches. i think that if you're going to

be intimidated you ought not be the head of the party and ought not be sitting in a seat. can f you can't go up against trollers on social media you ought not be running for president. >> amen. wisest words spoken all day. thank you, my friend. i needed that. i'm going to turn this over to steve kornacki with numbers. >> we have got some numbers for you. a statement, too. just came in from the nevada state democratic party. we have been asking about the official results to come in. they say caucuses are running smoothly. results are coming in. we'll have them up soon. we have been prepared all along for a high influx of results as caucuses wrap up and working diligently to accommodate and continue processing the high volume of incoming results from precinct chairs. that's a statement just coming in from the nevada state democratic party. the one other exit poll -- excuse me, entrance poll to share with you, the diverse base

of support with sanders, moderate conservative vote in the democratic caucuses, a third, call them moderate or conservative, check out this divide here. i don't think we often think enough about this looking at moderate voters. among white moderate and conservative voters pete buttigieg is leading this thing. joe biden is running in second. amy klobuchar is tied with him and bernie sanders is all the way back at 16%. this is self described moderate who is are white. check out hispanic moderates. hispanic moderates. this is a very large group in nevada. what you see, bernie sanders is running away with this. nearly half of the vote in this crowded field among hispanic. biden at 19. buttigieg barely in double digits. talki talking about moderate voters, one context in iowa and new

hampshire. looking at moderates, bgtd out in front, klobuchar maybe in front. biden with a shot. talking about diverse voters who call themselves moderate very different result. >> all right. steve, thank you very much. we have been checking in with garrett haake as you pointed out the statement just to repeat from the state democratic party, caucuses are running smoothly. results are coming and we'll have them up soon. we've been prepared all along for a high influx of results as caucuses wrap up and we're working diligently to accommodate and continue processing the high volume of incoming results from precinct chairs. there's the board. we'll fit in a break in our coverage and we'll -- oh, chris matthews? i'm sorry. chris? >> yes, brian. i'm here with anthony brown.

he's here for buttigieg. it looks like he may get second tonight. >> first of all, looks like senator sanders to do well today and got to acknowledge that and the real story here is that pete buttigieg, could finish second. a close third according to the spot results. and here's a guy nobody in nevada knew him a year ago. vice president biden claimed to do well with communities of color and pete's -- could very well finish second in nevada. another demonstration pulling together a coalition. >> another one-two from iowa, new hampshire and nevada possibly. is he the alternative to bernie? >> in the nonrevolutionary lane of bernie sanders, i think pete buttigieg is that alternative. >> we're watching out here because it is the strip and it is vegas and you gamble out here. one of the ways of breaking ties at some point in the caucuses is cutting the cards.

is there any chance -- i'm being facetious now -- the moderates get together and cut the cards and one of of them run and get that half of the vote? >> i don't think there's a -- the camps coming together to flip a coin to decide who goes forward and seeing among the moderate lane, nonrevolutionary lane, that pete is emerging as the go-to alternative to senator sanders. he appeals across generation, geography and doing better in nevada and i'm going -- will in south carolina. >> we'll see. >> in a diverse jurisdiction. a lot of people saying, hey, this is when we we have the real first state in a diverse state and speet right now at least along the spot results he is right up on the vice president. >> anthony, we'll get the results. we'll know whether pete buttigieg is number two again and there's a clear pattern here of one-two finishes. >> absolutely. >> if biden back in at number

two, gangbusters to south carolina and looks like the big news and the noise is bernie. back to you, brian. >> chris, i'm not above quoting chris matthews. i have this written down on the legal pad from the last segment. about bernie, about his new exposure as the front-runner and about how they come at him, they're going to kill him but they may not stop him. which is a unique to politics, a fascinating quote. i think you're probably 100% right. >> well, what they're going to do is go after the political history. i'm watching social media. it is not devastating. it is tough. the comments, vis-a-vis, the comments of castro, these go beyond the safe domestic -- what you call democratic socialism. he is flirtations i would call them. i think it's interesting. i don't think they're that dangerous but has to explain them.

why so add vept roventurous wit left-wing regimes around the world. i don't think he's on the red side or anything or disloyal. he has to explain what socialism means to him today. denmark? that's not selling. he has a wider interest and ideology of denmark. who's the prime minister of denmark? i'd ask him if he's been there. been to moscow and latin american countries. he has to get there first before the trump people get there. they won't make it look so savory. that's what i think. >> chris matthews, thanks. thanks to the congressman, as well. as we go to a break, we'll check in. the crowd is filling in at the biden event. this is at the headquarters of the international brotherhood of electrical workers. commonly known as the men and women who give las vegas its warm glow visible from space. our coverage continues right after this. no matter what i wore, i worried someone might see

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at the big board. >> we have got some results coming in here. i'm talking to my producer because literally coming to me, are these results not -- these are still spotters? okay. i thought there was a chance we were getting some actual results from the state democratic party because we did have a significant uptick in what's reported. 10% of the precincts covered. these are still all from the spotters. bernie sanders continuing here. double the lead here on joe biden. this is on the first preference. you see buttigieg, warren. buttigieg just over that 15% mark. statewide. warren a couple points under. klobuchar, steyer further back. when you do the reallocation you can see -- oh my goodness. you can see steyer and klobuchar really fall off and that is where sanders moves north of 40%. no official results here in from

the state democratic party but our spotters able to cover 10% of the state here and that sanders lead we saw in the entrance poll is matched by the results we have. >> all right. steve kornacki, thank you. we want to bring in maria theresa khumar. i know you are back in washington from being out here. >> yep. >> talk about your -- the unique position that your vital constituency is in in now the post nevada weeks ahead. >> this is it, brian. we have been talking about the latino vote and what we have failed to i think for a lot of candidates with the exception of bernie sanders to grasp is that nevada represents the rest of the map. for the first time latinos, the second largest voting bloc and young. the majority of whites in

america 54. the majority of latinos from 25 years old. you have young lay laty noes heard the president calling the family and relatives rapists. folks are scratching their head, wondering why bernie sanders is doing so well among the latino voters and saying that -- they're not quite understanding the dynamics. bernie sanders is part of the latino household first started to run in 2016. unlike the other democrats when he was running against hillary clinton, hillary clinton was a household name for an older generation of latinos, for my mother, grandmother. so they trusted the clintons wholeheartedly now bernie sanders is filling up a vacuum because the other ones aren't a household name. had president obama doggedly been to knocking on doors and talking to the latino community for biden or for warren or any of the -- and candidates, this is a much tighter race with two front-runners, bernie and the

obama guy. if you want to know where i -- where this goes, i would look very closely at what happens between california and texas. in california, brian, you will have a lot of young voters really enthusiastically mobilizing for bernie sanders. texas is much more conservative among latinos and interesting to see where the votes go. the delegates are up for grabs. warren is doing a great job working closely with castro. seeing ads nonstop by tom steyer and bloomberg. it is much more of a conservative state i would encourage folks to watch this. >> maria, nicole wallace in new york. >> hi, nicole. >> hi. i'm looking at the raw numbers because i have a great view of the big board. we are looking at the votes based on 5,700 voters. it is such a small number of voters. i wonder if you can extrapolate based on your experience and work whether these -- from your sense and from your travels and

outreach whether you think these track nationally at this point. >> this is what we saw back in 2018. i say 2018, where latinos self organizing and seeing them come out and mobilizing themselves because oftentimes parties don't have the outreach or candidates. bernie does. he integrated the latino outreach as a part of the apparatus and really interesting to see if they continue but if you ask me where the party has fault lines, for someone to win the white house, they need to have a coalition. yes, latinos. african-americans and white women. now, white women are not polling well with bernie sanders. suburban white women in particular. they came back to the party in the 2018 midterm elections so if you want to start looking at the writing on the wall, this is not a clear sweep for bernie and looking at how to get to the white house you have to keep that those three pillars in mind. >> what is the message from sander this is's breaking through most effectively?

is it taking -- he is been taking really, really sharpening his anti-trump message lately and he has a very clear set of policies around which his supporters rally. is it the combination? or with latino voters, does one have more power than the other? >> one is that he has -- folks underestimate the outside influence that young latinos have in the household. they' they're navigating the country long before they turn 18 and when a parent and this happened to me, when a parent calls you or an aunt and says, hey you know, i recognize barnes but nobody else on the ballot, who should i vote for? that's the note of influence. other thing is when people talk about student debt and people trivialize it saying, yes, but they did it on their own, we are talking about a generation that's strapped with a trillion-dollar student debt and now the mid-30s to buy a home they can't.

can't afford a home. those repercussions economically are huge and bernie is able to talk to them. i would encourage other candidates to talk about the experiences. i would encourage candidates to talk about the fact that if they get elected they'll release the children in cages. to meet the latino voter where they are and say you're afraid, to go out of the house because you might get racially profiled. none of the candidates are really doing that and bernie identified the early influencer in the family. >> maria, it's maria. >> hi, maria. >> so a question. do you think that maybe one thing we should be looking at extrapolating from nevada is that oftentimes when the people talk about the latino vote, huge and complex, maybe a quarter of which actually supports trump, but there is a sense that this is a socially conservative voter. are we really seeing something that's tapping into the older generation of latinos and

latinas to be progressive than we think about? >> this is where folks don't understand latino community, fastest purveyors of business. 11th largest economy in the world and then when you start to talk about does government play a role in your life? close to 89% of them say, absolutely. the government is the one that i look to for my child's education, i depend on for health care and a juxtaposition that the other candidates have a tendency of shying away and bernie espouses with an idea of a government social safety net. >> maria teresa kumar, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you for taking all of our questions and over to the board we go. steve kornacki? >> okay, brian. this is happening realtime here. we have been saying the state democratic party to start releasing results. they released a few precincts. i believe 28 out of basically

2,100 statewide. trying to figure out where they are. they didn't tell us initially. 28 precincts just released. you are seeing a statewide total. remember, it's this very complicated system out there in nevada nevada. a caucus state. have an initial preference. they have that reallocated preference and what that's working towards at the different precinct locations is accumulating what they call county delegates and this is sort of a statewide tally. this is official tally, tallies up the county delegates that candidates win in precincts in the state. so from 28 precincts, 28 out of 2,100 basically that are out there, this is the very early reporting we have. sanders in the lead there. warren, biden. this is a very small number. we are not sure where it's from. the significance of this, we now

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these are the latest delegate dispersement numbers out of nevada. we have reason to believe an additional tranche of numbers will be coming out very shortly f. you come to the city of las vegas at all for recreation, enjoyment, you spend your money here, some folks at some casinos more than others f. you get a sense of investing in las vegas, curious about the place, we recommend the independent which is not only a pleasing visual experience it's chockful of news. a lot of it the life's work of of this guy next to me, john

ralston. are you committing journalism from the phone here? and, and/or what's the lead story for the independent right now? how have you summed up this caucus thus far? >> first of all, i do appreciate the kind words from you, brian. i really do appreciate it. i'm always committing journalism from my phone which is impaired many a relationship. however, i am doing it. my team is out there. what's relatively small team and the entire team ten or 11 reporters and interns out at various sites reporting in if there are problems, what the results are. but the story here, the lead is going to be bernie sanders. likely bernie sanders wins by a large margin and then a close race it looks like for sec place. people talk about getting tickets out of iowa, tickets out of new hampshire. there's one ticket out of nevada. now, if pete buttigieg finishes in second place he can say that he was one or two in the first three states and that might help

him but what's been really fascinating, brian, many of the guests with james carville as always at the loudest volume expressing this almost panic at bernie sanders picking up this momentum which i think probably will allow him to win or come in second in south carolina in a very strong position. it's the kind of feeling you hear from the democrats, brian, who can't vote for bernie sanders for whatever reason that they're considering as the alternative a former republican mayor of new york city who has plenty of baggage of his own and why many republicans are feeling pretty good right now. i'm not sure that this so-called conventional wisdom that bernie sanders can't win a general election is correct but there are a lot of smart people who believe that. >> chris matthews is standing by with a special guest from the sanders campaign. chris? >> thank you, brian. i think we are both in the rain here. this is not a very dry city tonight. senator, looks like -- i can't

tell by the polls or not getting information on the own account, a bit of it but it looks like a huge night for senator sanders. three if a row. three popular vote victories in a row. heading into next week, super tuesday, you couldn't be better primed. >> it is intentional organizing. we were in this state much earlier than any other candidate on the ground talking to the people and working hard to earn the vote and what the early returns so far are showing that. >> what i was impressed by being sort of a moderate, impressed by the moderate voters in -- >> saying that again. >> latinos saying that the best bet to win the general come november is bernie sanders. >> that's it. >> not just the one i like. >> the best bette because they understand. ultimately there's polling to show that the democrats are very concerned about who can defeat president donald trump. what we have in senator sanders is not only somebody to defeat president trump but a vision for the country, too. >> so let's tack about that vision because let's talk about

running mates. usually balance the ticket when when you run. >> you do. >> i'm trying to get you ahead of schedule. >> i'm not going there. not going to go for it. >> what do you think? straight progressive? >> you know? >> talk about the way you organize. >> yeah. >> seems to me you have got the moderates seem there's a thing, two thirds of them liberals, just a fact. >> yes. >> on the senator sanders has to do is win them and win the thing because the moderates can't seem to -- moderates and conservatives can't seem to unite behind anybody. will they ever unite? >> if democrats are serious about defeating the worst president in modern history then, yes, the democrats will have to unite to do that. so the country is showing and nevada being the first really diverse caucus is showing very clearly the candidate that they want to lead this country, that's senator bernie sanders. they cross racial lines.

>> right. >> even the caucuses, strip caucuses, remember? culinary union. >> rank and file. >> we won five of those. >> labor leadership today, that they can't lead? what's going on? last time around this happened. >> well, you have to have a pulse of the people. that's the key. not the pulse of what you want to have happen. and the beautiful thing that's happening in nevada today with the culinary workers is that their will despite what the leaders had to say and they were not afraid of medicare for all. >> do you' an obstacle to milwaukee? >> it's still a contest. no. let's talk about the man with the money. michael bloomberg. the oligarch. everybody is doing it now. >> what can he do now? >> he has to climb out of the hole of the debate next week. the nda thing again. >> i think he was on the wrong

stage chris. >> where should he be? >> republican stage. to defeat president trump he wouldn't be frolicking on the democratic side. 99% of the people that donated to senator bernie sanders donate over and over and over again and he is showing indeed and fun raising and the votes so far that he truly is the people's candidate. >> will take the money from bloomberg when bloomberg loses? promises to give the money to whoever wins. >> who does? the senator? >> bloomberg will give -- >> bloomberg said that. >> give it to bernie? >> use the money for some good, huh? >> you're riding high. thank you, dear. thank you. this is a lady with this guy from the beginning and she is going to be there for the victory it looks like. >> i am. >> thank you. back to you, brian. >> thanks to chris matthews and the senator. hope everyone here in the desert enjoying the dry, arid day as you can imagine watching from home. this rain in las vegas is the talk of las vegas.

indoor rainstorms? old hat. just about every casino. doing that for 30, 40 years. where much is artificial, the rain, the lightning right now in las vegas is absolutely real. i have a question for nicole wallace in new york. nicole, it is this. i wrote down this previous chris matthews que matthews quote. this is about bernie becoming the front-runner and what to expect. they will kill him but may not stop him. chris said that lo many hours ago. does this do you think sharpen down the attacks that bernie will get from the guy with unlimited resources in this race? >> we'll see. the bloomberg strategy to date has been to set all of his firepower on the man in the oval office and that's donald trump. bloomberg's reason for being and his reason for being willing to support whomever the democrats

select as their nominee is to help that person if it's him, it is him, if it's bernie sanders he offered to help the sanders campaign or whoever voters select, the reason for bloomberg being in the arena to defeat donald trump. if he pivots tries to take out bernie sanders now that he is such a strong and dominant and clear front-runner, it's dicey but i don't think that which is dicey or expensive has ever discouraged michael bloomberg from doing anything. i think that -- i think that we have done a good job giving voice to the two sides of the coin and i lived this in 2016. the people that loved donald trump loved him a lot. and the people that were scared that a president trump would obliterate the rule of law, paying off of porn stars, the people with the concerns, those concerns were right, too. both sides of that equation were

correct. the bernie sanders question is whether or not a majority of americans will elect to the oval office a democratic socialist. the answer is unknowable. but the people that support him, they -- as joy reid said most articulately he speaks to the rage, the fears and he's got plans for their future. the people that are scared that he can't win are probably more scared about donald trump than they are about bernie sanders so i think bloomberg just hangs over the whole thing as this sort of unknowable x-factor. >> superb answer. thank you for that, nicole wallace. from our temporary base here in las vegas, where again, talk of the town is what's going on outside. there's never a slow weekend here but this particular weekend nevada democratic caucuses, oh, there's a hockey game if there for good measure, there's tonight's prize fight. nascar race tomorrow. so it's a busy time for las

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before we get to david plouffe, who has rejoined us here in our studios, in las vegas, to steve kornacki we go for an update. >> yes, brian. we're looking at the same results here, official results from the state democratic party. remember, they run this thing and these are the official final results. these will eventually be the final results. this is the percentage of delegates that the candidates are winning. that's how they determine the winner of the state-wide caucuses. and the mystery here, where in the state are they from? and the state party did not provide those to us in a way that was particularly useful. hopefully that will change. we went and we found them. there are 28 precincts that are counts for these early numbers. if you are seeing sanders not doing so well, 29% here, as he is in the other numbers we've been showing you from our spotters around the state, the reason is, it looks like not many of the precincts that have been reported out so far are

from down here, clark county, that's the las vegas valley. like 70% of the vote is going to come from this one county. but only 29% of these precincts are from clark county. also, you look up here, reno, that area, sparks, that's going to make up about 20% state-wide and that is actually where sanders seems to be doing a little bit worse. that accounts for 43% of this, and the rest comes from in here, from the sort of vast interior of nevada. the exit polling is showing us that sanders is running double digits better around las vegas than he is in the rest of the state. and the rest of the state is kind of disproportionately represented in these initial results we're seeing. so, again, we are hoping this is a season that we're going to get a lot more results soon, but you're seeing these numbers on the screen right now of sanders, state-wide being at 29%, it looks like the weaker sanders areas are overrepresented here

from our quick read of these 28 precincts that have reported so far. >> steve kornacki, thank you. as promised, david plouffe is here with us. what do you make of carville's comments today that if the party doesn't come together, come to grips with the fact that they have a front-runner, that many of them might find limiting, in his words, he doesn't know the party. >> well, what is the party? the party is voters these days. there's no smoky back room where these decisions are made. so, ultimately, if bernie sanders is not going to be the nominee, it's up to one of the candidates to build the kind of campaign, excitement, show the kind of growth, to be the number one contestant. so, first of all, yeah, so, somebody who is a 79-year-old democratic socialist on election day might not be in the screenplay of how you beat donald trump. we don't know yet if bernie sanders will be a terrible

nominee or a good nominee. that's what campaigns are for. the two concerns i think the campaign should address, one is, in a presidential campaign, the electoral college chess board is so important. how many states are you putting in play? i worry that sanders is going to struggle in arizona and florida. second, we see some polling, whether it's accurate or not, that shows he's really struggling with suburban women who were such a cornerstone of the democrats having such a great 2018. so, he needs the show strength there. but i do think he's got a very powerful economic message that will get back some of those trump/obama voters. i think ultimately the voters are going to decide in november if bernie sanders is the nominee if he's strong. right now, there's no magic back of tricks anybody has. it's on the people running for president right now. so, the only person that can stop bernie sanders is one of the other candidates, and the clock is ticking, they're almost out of time. if this doesn't narrow down to a

two-person race really quickly, with someone who is able not to come in a second place 30 behind sanders, but is literally getting 40, 45 or 50 so they can stay even on the delegates, they're not going to win. so, i understand that a democratic socialist, we've learned that somebody like that cannot win the general election, but the other thing i'd say about bernie sanders is, he's run a good campaign, he's got a lot of money, he's got a lot of passion. so, i think it's on his campaign to show the rest of the party that one, they'll renighunite at they can show strength with suburban voters and in parts of the country like arizona, north carolina, florida and georgia, that we need to put in play. >> the top elected official in the democratic party is nancy pelosi of california. it is reported that on a conference call this week she said to her caucus, regarding what to run on, six words. health care, health care, health care. >> exactly. so, listen. if bernie sanders is the nominee, or anyone who is the nominee, if you are a vulnerable

house democrat, if you're incumbent or challenger, you say, listen, i'm going to vote for whoever the will take down donald trump. i think this is right. so, if we can't win the health care debate against donald trump against democrats, we do not deserve to win the white house. he's incredibly vulnerable. i think medicare for all makes that more challenging, but that's the campaign within a campaign that's so important. i think bernie sanders is going to really have to begin to broaden out his health care messaging, because right now, we want a team, because we put trump and the republicans on the offensive. right now, that's not part of the discussion. so, when we have a nominee, they're going to put pressure on trump. if we don't win that debate, we don't deserve to win the white house and we're not going to win the white house. >> will this be a one or two-candidate democratic race after super tuesday? >> well, it's going to be candidates looking themselves in the mirror and being honest about their positioning.

if it is more than a two-candidate race, certainly, if it's a four or five-candidate race, bernie sanders can cauwalo the nomination. the question is, particularly when people have money, they've got support, they've got money, as james said, it's really hard to end a campaign. you're competitive, you're out there, i've got another set of contests, but if you don't have a pathway to a credible delegate argument, you have to get out. who is that person going to be? bloom berg has all the money to go to june, if not july. i think it will be the candidate that shows potential with minority voters, african-americans and latinos. joe biden showed some of that tonight in nevada, we'll see if he can carry that forward to south carolina. but basically, if we're -- brian, if it's march 3rd and we're talking about klobuchar, buttigieg, warren, biden, bloomberg and sanders and everybody's in, bernie's going to win almost all the delegates he needs to build an impenetrable delegate lead.

that's just math. it's not my opinion. it's just simple math. >> david mruf wiplouffe with th. those searching for a metaphor, las vegas awoke to some cloudy skies and then they got very dark, indeed, over the past couple of minutes. they are now breaking up and the late afternoon sun is showing and the skies have cleared, pay no attention to this thing behind us, it's as fake as many of the facades along the strip, quite frankly, but we've just passed the top of the 7:00 p.m. hour on the east coast of the united states. another long day's journey in tonight in terms of counting the vote and figuring out just what the story is we're covering here for the nevada 2020 democratic caucuses. steve kornacki with the very latest numbers at the board. >> all right, brian. here we go again. state party starting to report these out. this is what we saw, the last time we checked in was

different, we are started to get these broken out by county. you see different colors for the leaders here. again, this is 28 presecincts o of 2,100 that are reporting. the thing to look at, when all the votes are in, these two counties, clark county, washo, reno, sparks, these are going to be 90% of all the votes that are cast. this whole area outside of those two counties is going to add up to about 10%. what you're actually seeing here, since it's only 28 precincts that are reporting at this point, right now, more than a quarter of what we have is coming from sort of the interior of the state. only a couple of precincts here, i think, it's eight out of clark county, i'm looking, i have my clark county map down here, i'm looking, they're not the precincts that we expected sanders to be doing well. so, biden is leading in clark

county. this is a very unrepresentative sample of the state. we are waiting and hoping for more to come in. this process has been a little bit disjointed, the different levels of reporting, but this is the official one. the one from the state party. they've got 28 of 2,100 precincts in. we're starting to get them county by county. and, again, i'm sounding like a broken record here, but we are hoping in the next couple of minutes, this thing is going to be filling in more substantially. >> to nicolle wallace and friends in new york. >> thank you, my friend. claire mccaskill is with us, robert gibbs and joshua johnson. robert, i want to ask you about david plouffe's point about health care. we shouldn't skip over that. nancy pelosi, health care, health care, health care. the decisive front-runner in the democratic primary who is for medicare for all. >> well, i think, as david said, medicare for all makes that argument much more complicated.

i think if you watch the 2018 elections, as a democratic strategist and you were walking into the 2020 elections, you want medicare for all or this public option discussion replaced with pre-existing conditions. that's -- >> the biden position. >> well, yeah. that's what drew those white suburban women that david was also talking about, into the democratic fold and got them excited, because it's a kitchen table issue. >> right. >> and i think that's -- i agree with everything david said. in terms of -- bernie sanders, if he's the nominee, he's going to have to make a broader health care argument, because, look, reality, medicare for all is not going to be debated any time soon. either under president bernie sanders, right? because quite frankly, the senate isn't going to take it up. and certainly if it's mitch mcconnell's u.s. senate, it's not going to happen. so, then the question is, what's

next? and so, again, i think that's going to be on him. another point, i think david made, that was really smart, was, this is the first state that doesn't -- that is voting that isn't 90%-plus white for democratic voters. >> right. >> this is a state that looks far more like the country and, quite frankly, a lot of what's coming. the four biggest prizes on super tuesday. >> we're going to listen to amy klobuchar and pick this up on the other side. >> thank you, everyone. what an amazing group. i was laughing, i came by and i saw someone's shirt over here and it says, "this isn't flyover country to me, i live here." so i want to, first of all, thank our great speakers today, peggy flanagan, our lieu ten nabt governor, who we adore, she's been campaigning for me all over the country, as you know, the highest-ranking american indian elected to

state-wide office in the country. and we're really proud of her. thank you so much for the beautiful words. our mayor of minneapolis, jacob fry, thank you. and what an honor to have david wellstone here with us. the and david has been carrying on his dad's work on mental health. i see him in congress all the time and i think you all know, there's one reason i picked the color green for our signs and our shirts and that is paul wellstone. because, as you all know, senator wellstone was not expected to win. he was not expected, because he was running against someone who had a bigger bank account, right?

who was more well-known. and he literally floored the country and that is exactly what we're going to do in this campaign. so -- we left nevada -- although it's raining right there now, but it was beautiful all week and we had such a great time, such hospitality, we have a great team down there, still working hard, they're counting the votes, but as usual, i think we have exceeded expectations. i always note that a lot of people didn't even think that i would still be standing at this point, they didn't think i'd make it through that speech in the snow. they didn't think i'd make it to the debate floor. but time and time again, because of all of you and because of the people around this country that want something different than the guy in the white house, we have won.

so i -- i want you to know, first of all, our itinerary. we are headed, of course, to south carolina, but on the way, on the way tomorrow, we are going to fargo. i challenge my opponents to do a rally in fargo. we are doing one. we're pretty excited about that. we are then going to little rock. we are then going to oklahoma city. and then we go to south carol a carolina, so, that is our plan. and i think you all know that not only is south carolina an important state and where we're going to have the next debate, but from there, we go to super tuesday, and one-third of america is going to be voting. and guess what one of the super tuesday states is? that's right. so, john and i actually went and

voted today and i was actually amazed at all the people there on a saturday, voting early, and so, we recommend everyone vote early, but not often. so, we want to thank you for doing that and i would say, first of all, i think that people are starting to see that in today's politipolitics, and really came to us out of new hampshire, where the nation discovered me in a big way for the first time, that empathy, humility, decency matter and that we have that in spades and also the toughness to beat donald trump. and because -- because of you, we have proved the nay sayers wrong every single time.

because of you, we have built a campaign as strong and resilient as the hard-working americans of our country. because of you, we're going to turn back the division and the exclusion, the meanness and the hate and defeat donald trump this fall. that is our plan. now, some believe that the way to beat donald trump is to be just as polarizing. can you say that again? okay. and i think what we know is this, that donald trump's worst nightmare is that the people in the middle, the people that are tired of the mud-slinging and

the name-calling, will have a place to call home this november. and that has been our mission from the beginning. so, if you're working two jobs, but still struggling to choose between medicine and rent, you have a home with me. if you are frightened for your kid's safety and sick of nra lobbyists blocking gun violence laws, then you have a home with me. if you're trying to raise a family and tired of corporate titans lining their pockets while you are sewing the holes you yours, you have a home with me. and if you think it is shameful that an american can be stopped and profiled because of the color of his skin, if you're sick of a president that sees diversity as a weakness rather

than our country's great strength, then you have a home with me. and there is something else that i've been fighting for, and that is to bring heart back to the white house. to restore that basic empathy, that fundamental decency, that's been under siege since this president wrote his first toxic tweet. that was many tweets ago. i'm talking about a president who bragged about the size of his rallies while visiting a texas hospital after a gunman killed 22 people at a local walmart. i'm talking about a president who sided with the murderous dictator kim jong-un after a 22-year-old american student died in north korea in their

custody for trying to take a poster from a hotel. i'm talking about a president who separated innocent immigrant children from their parents and tried to deny them toothbrushes and soap and showers and then said, and i quote, you have to take the children away. well, you can quote me on this -- we have to take this president away. and if you think we can't do it, if you think that we don't have the grit, the resilience, to turn the page on the racism, on the sexism, on the cronyism and the corruption, just remember, that the day after this president took office, millions

of people marched in protest all across this country, including in this city, including where i'm going tomorrow, to north dakota and to oklahoma and to arkansas and to south carolina. and then what happened? thousands of women signed up to run for office. we were not just resisting, we were insisting on a better way forward. that summer, as that president tried to repeal the affordable care act and its protections for families, millions stood up and said no. and with that mandate, we handed him a crushing defeat. we were not -- we were not just resisting, we were insisting on a better way forward. in 2018, what happened?

well, we saw the highest voter turnout in a midterm election in 50 years. women, people of color, all ran for office and won big. and we turned the house of representatives back into the people's house again. that's what we did. so, don't go telling me we can't do this. don't go telling me, because what i see is that we're not just resisting, we're insisting on a better way forward. and when i go to our rallies all over the country, what do i see? we were just in aurora, colorado, what do i see? a fired up democratic base, big time. but i also see, at least at my rallies, other people joining us, independents, moderate republicans, people that say, we want to be part of this. and what we do is, we say this.

we don't want to shut people out. we want to bring people with us. so, donald trump, can count us out if he wants -- by the way, for the first time ever, he mentioned me at a rally. yes! so, that's what -- you know i've arrived now. you know they must be worried. and so, as you see all these attacks, you're going to see it against me, just remember, it is a badge of honor. it means that we are gaining, that we are gaining in every single state in this country. and i am here to serve donald trump notice. i have won every race, every place, every time. i have won -- i have won in 42

counties, flipped them, that he was so proud when he won them, and then i came roaring back in our own state. i have won every single congressional district in this state every time. and when you look at those swing states, you look in the middle of the country that we need to win, states like pennsylvania, where a poll just showed me beating him by seven points. you look at that -- you look at those states like pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin and ohio and iowa and, yes, our own state, and what are we going to do? we are going to build a beautiful blue wall of democratic votes around those states and we're going to make donald trump pay for it.

>> amy klobuchar back home in minneapolis. david plouffe with us here in las vegas. in your view, is that a woman with a new lease on life? is she trying to reup her old lease on life? what kind of a future -- despite the rosy words intended for the hometown crowd, what kind of a future does a candidate at her level face? >> i mean, it's an immense challenge, so, first of all, people are voting in many of the super tuesday states. i don't think she's advertising at all or maybe barely, and, you know, i think her chances of being viable in statements like california and texas, i think, are very unlikely. so, you know, she talked about going to north dakota, she may get some delegates there, i'd be surprised if she's not viable. as well as she did in new hampshire, let's remember, she came in third, she didn't win,

surged at the end, great debate performance. can you capture the magic of that and turn it into not a fifth in nevada, being in the top three in nevada, top three in south carolina, which still means you probably don't win, but may allow you to raise money and have the ability to be viable on super tuesday. so, i think what's going on with the candidates is, brian, and this may not be true, all the non-sanders candidates would prefer a different nominee, but so -- but the thing they really don't want to have happen, they get out and one of that other crowd is standing. >> so, as long as the -- >> so, i think it's, you're running so hard for president, it's all you're doing, the physics of that is hard to defy, to get out, and then, it's like, me, why should i get out for you? and so, that is going to work to bernie sanders' favor if everybody who competed in nevada today is still running around the country, getting votes and some delegates on super tuesday, that's going to acure to the

benefit of the front-runner. >> and claire mccaskill, with your political antenna, as you listen to former colleague in the senate, what do you take away from that speech in minneapolis? >> well, a couple of things. the state she's choosing to go to, she's trying to go to states that a more moderate candidate would usually have more success, south dakota, arkansas, oklahoma, she's in minnesota. keep in mind, minnesota is one of the super tuesday states. and i think she wants to have a big win there and it would make her nervous to have bernie nipping at her heels, even if he's five, six, seven points behind her. but the biggest problem for amy is that this speech didn't feel like hello, america, i'm amy klobuchar, it felt a little bit, you know, we're still in it, we're going to stay in it no matter what. and the money thing. and david's talked about this several times, but whether she can raise enough resources to really compete in the huge

number of marquettes th marketst to become well-known in these super tuesday states, we'll see how fun raising goes the next 24 hours, but i have to think it's going to be tough for any of the candidates who don't finish in the top three in nevada. >> and more than that, david plouffe, how much of the vote, as we keep asking, is going to be already committed by the time she had her good debate performance? >> well, that's exactly right. so, you know, in california and texas, many other states, a lot of the votes coming in, that's going to increase every day, so, if you're not -- if you don't have momentum nationally, to capitalize in those states, you're going to pay a price for that, so, the numbers we're seeing in nevada today, i think there will bedistinctions, but in the states that are more representative, like nevada, i think you're going to say, basically, as people are voting

early in california and texas, probably falling roughly along the lines we have now. so, for someone to overperform on super tuesday, they're going to have to have just almost a historically great debate performance next week and close in south carolina with huge momentum and then basically take that into super tuesday. and that's -- that's really a degree of difficulty that rarely see in politics. >> yeah, that's a lot. we have so much more ahead. some of it because the candidates are reacting on a slow rolling basis to the fact that the information is coming out to us on a slow rolling basis. on the right there, on your screen, you see the international brotherhood of electric workers union headquarters, that's going to be the backdrop from when we hear from joe biden, which could be momentarily. a lot more coverage ahead for our team. we'll start by taking a break and we'll be right back.

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♪ we are back. two different venues we're watching. sanders' second stop in texas, on the left. he has pack and enormous dance hall there. and on the right, the union headquarters, where we are moments away, we've been told, from hearing from joe biden. mike memoli is traveling with him, and mike, i know your job

is not strategist, but perhaps you've been snitffing around. what are they going to have their guy do, post-nevada, that he hasn't been doing? >> well, brian, the formula all along for the biden campaign in terms of their view of how he wins the nomination was to narrow that contest as quickly as possible to the joe biden wing of the democratic party versus the bernie sanders wing of the democratic party. well, of course, after stumbling in iowa and new hampshire, their argument is, until we hear from african-american voters and latino voters, we should discount everything we've seen so far. they're nervously watching those numbers tonight, hoping he does, indeed, stay in this second-place position, and then the argument becomes, i bet a little bit what he said to me earlier today, when we caught up with him at a caucus site, that the democratic party needs to consider who is authentic who can go toe to toe with president trump, with plans that are achievable and real. a clear shot at bernie sanders. and made the point of, who is

the most electable democrat. you'll see, who can help jamie harrison beat lindsey graham? and as you can hear, the vice president is now being introduced behind me. brian? >> mike memoli, thank you for that. we'll watch the vice president enter the, what is the union headquarters here in las vegas for the ibew, with his wife, dr. jill biden, with him. we will hear from the former vice president, take his comments, before switching to aa rr arii in new york. >> hello, nevada! >> hello, hello, hello.

thank you, thank you, thank you. well, y'all did it for me. y'all did it. now we're going onto south carolina and win and then we're going to take this back. i want to thank everyone that caucused for us, but i particularly want to thank the precinct captains, all our volunteers that are here. all the people that made all those phone calls. i plan on coming back to win this state outright. look, you know, couldn't have done it without -- i want to start off, i got to recognize a few of the congresspersons here. you know, dina titus has been incredible.

there's a guy name horseman? you ever -- >> right there. >> i know, i see him right there. you kidding me? you kidding me? and also, you know, there's a fella in that little state called california, he came over. where is he? and phil, thank you, thank you for coming from texas. right there. and where's hilda? she was just there, maybe she's coming back here, okay. and so, so, so many of you. you know, i -- you know, i -- i tell you what, man. >> the comeback kid! >> well, you got it. well, you're sending me back.

i want to tell you something. and we're in labor's house, man. labor's house. ibew stepped up in a big, big, big, big way, as did a bunch of you. look, we got some of the best union support, i think better than anybody in the whole field. but i heard there's some guys called firefighters that are around here, you know, they've been with us. iron workers -- and by the way -- by the way, i heard that we probably did awful well with culinary workers. you know, i know we don't know the final results yet, but i feel really good. you put me in a position.

you know, the press is ready to declare people dead quickly but we're alive and we're coming back and we're going to win. >> we have been listening to vice president joe biden speaking in nevada, and we are projecting that bernie sanders, nbc news projects bernie sanders the winner in nevada. brand new breaking news numbers coming right out of nevada. our special team is here and i want to go directly to steve kornacki at the big board. walk us through what this means, a projected winner here, according to nbc news, bernie sanders takes nevada. >> we can tell you, ari, this has been an unusual afternoon in reaching this point. folks who have been following the coverage have known that early on, we got entrance poll results that suggested an overwhelmed sanders victory. of course, it's an entrance poll, not official vote. we wanted to wait for official vote. before we got official vote, we started getting reports in from our spotters, folks that work

for the media, we have spotters at the precincts around the state, they were taking down the results as they were announced and sending them to us and so we were seeing that sanders seemed to be ahead. but even at that point, we really didn't have any official results from the state democratic party, which runs this. now we're starting to get results here. you see, this is about 100 precincts, less than 100, that have now been reported out by the state democratic party, these presipgt cincts in line w everything we've seen in the entrance polls, with everything we've been told by our spotters has been happening around the state and they just paint a picture here, very clear and very decisive victory for bernie sanders. you see 44% right now, state-wide. we'll see, 4% here, we're going to have a lot more that comes in, so, the numbers can move around a bit. but they are pointing to a sanders victory. really, only two counties here in nevada that have a lot of vote in them, this is the b

biggie, this is three-quarters of the vote, just from the las vegas valley. and sander pierce running close to 50% early on. we had talked about bernie sanders doing extremely well, our entrance poll says, with hispanic voters. an outright majority of his ppac support in this thing. running second to joe biden among african-american voters. we saw doing well from our reporters, doing very well in the casino caucuses with the culinary workers union -- >> steve, as we look at this breaking news here, nbc news now formally projecting bernie sanders winning nevada for the first time here today, what does it tell you, what should voters understand as we look at this news, that we can, with our election experts, project this with so little of the numbers in what does this say about the scale of the victory? >> our entrance poll was saying probably about a two to one victory for sanders over his nearest rival. not entirely clear who is going

to be in second place, but the entrance poll was saying about two to one. all those precincts, about 300 of them around the state, that's one-seventh of the state where we had spotters were saying about a two to one sanders victory. and that's been reported out by the state party is showing that, as well. i can also show you, what you're seeing here, this is -- let me just -- is this the national delegate count? okay. our decision desk has, in addition to saying that bernie sanders has won the nevada democratic caucuses, they're beginning to project the allocation of national convention delegates. remember, there are 36 that will be awarded by nevada. 36 pledged delegates. right now, the decision desk is confident that at least five, this number will clearly go up considerably, but at least five are going to go to bernie sanders. no confidence that anybody else is getting any so far. so, five of those 36 our decision desk now says goes to bernie sanders. and i can tell you, coming into tonight, in the national delegate count, it was 23-21 buttigieg, from iowa and new hampshire. just with these five, sanders

now leapfrogs. we expect that number to grow considerably, but five national convention tell gases at least for sanders here. >> and steve, what you're telling us right now, what you're reporting is, that there are two things happening right now that are changing the state of this race. one, nbc news projecting bernie sanders carrying the nevada caucus and two, today, saturday, february 22nd, is the first time bernie sanders has taken, already, according to these early counts tonight, his first lead in the total delegate race, what you see on your screen are brand new numbers as of the last five minutes. bernie sanders takes the lead with 26 delegates and counting. walk us through this. >> yeah, and again, we say, 26-23 right now. 31 more in total will be awarded here. these numbers become key. what you're seeing state-wise here is -- oh, i don't know how that just happened. what you're seeing state-wise here, 45% for sanders, 19% for biden. you need to hit 15% to get any

state-wide delegates. they given these out state-wide, by congressional district. the threshold here, anybody that doesn't hit 15%, can't get any of the delegates. so, watch that buttigieg number. if he were to fall under 15%, as these returns came in, that would mean more delegates for biden and a lot more nor bernie sanders state-wise, so, keep an eye on that number. and if the rest of the delegates are given out by congressional district, there are four of those throughout nevada and, again, that 15% threshold. let me see if i can call that up here quickly and see if we can get the -- let me try that one more time, ari. this is a little weird in a caucus state, i'm seeing if i can get the congressional district delegates up there -- i cannot, unfortunately, i apologize for that -- >> steve, we waited this long to get to this point today, you've been at the board, we'll keep waiting if you get that upstated. i'm going to come back to you. as we report this breaking news, i want to tell you, i'm here the

for your special election coverage. we're following the sanders campaign. where you are is a show of confidence and strength by this campaign. what can you tell us, traveling with this campaign and on the ground, given this great victory nbc is now projecting for the sanders campaign in nevada? >> well, i'll tell you, first, his supporters are not aware of the projection. on the screen, they're paying another network. the supporters aren't aware he's won nevada, according to our decision desk. they were here all day. he's on his way to the venue. he was on the plane. a little bit of color from his campaign plane. there was a period of time when he got on the plane where he tried to look for results. he looked on his phone for results. he went to his deputy campaign manager because the wifi wasn't working and once the wifi started working, they saw they couldn't get any results in.

i can tell you, supporters here are ready for a moment. they're very excited. any time they say a shot of the crowd here as they got up and cheered. right now, a band is playing, so, that's what the music is behind me, we know senator sanders is on his way for what will be a big celebration. and one thing that i noticed as we were going through the results and looking at the entrance polls, you see that his support in nevada was really based on the support that he got among latino voters. where did senator sanders go today? he went to el paso and san antonio. here in san antonio, latinos make up about 60% of the vote. so, this is a campaign that has already started to spread its wings out to the other, not only south carolina, but to other super tuesday states. it's a sign of confidence that they were not only confidence in the result in nevada, but that they were confident about how this plays out for the rest of the field. one other point, i talked to the supporters online, many of them waited for hours to come in, and it was very clear, they felt

this was a big moment for senator sanders, they saw the early results coming in. they were really happy what they were seeing. one thing they felt like, this is a point where they feel the party is starting to understand that this is the democratic front-runner. there is also some nervousness there. nervousness at what the other candidates are now going to do. what will be the lines of attack that come after senator sanders now that he has this new position. the crowd is singing along to pinata protest. they still are not aware of our nbc news projection that senator sanders has won the nevada caucuses. ari? >> shaquille brewster following this campaign and ahead of the campaign's news, as you mentioned, in a room that will certainly rejoice when they heard that. as mentioned, we were watching, also, joe biden speak earlier, he came out and spoke just before this call, he may have timed it well. we heard some of his remarks and he's now meeting and greeting with individuals. you're looking at a live shot of him in nevada, but joe biden, not even close to vying for

first with bernie sanders. again, nbc news projecting bernie sanders as the winner of the nevada caucuses. we are not projecting or characterizing second or third. you can consider those bragging rights, that you see on your screen, between 19, 16 and 12, there still too close to call, with only 4% in, but such a margin in the numbers we have that there is no way anyone will overtake, according to our project, bernie sanders winning nevada. i want to bring in our panel ja anahosa and alease jordan, former aide in the bush white house and state departments. good evening, everyone. i begin with you. it was just mentioned by steve, bernie sanders not only won big and decisively, he won with a diverse coalition in this state of nevada. we know that about one-third of

the voters there, according to self-identification, were people of color and we know that sanders did very well there. >> yeah. i mean, what we're seeing here is that sanders has a ground game that is reaching latino and latina voters. it just couldn't be clearer. i think what we have to understand is that sanders' campaign did not look at la tee nope la tee knows as kind of, a thing to do special, but the same thing that matthew dowd did for george w. bush in his re-election, they made latinos and la tee anyways a central part of the entire campaign strategy. and i think that what really right now, bernie sanders is exactly in el paso, he's in asa antonio and he's thanking those that gave him the 51% margin of win pg. >> following up on that, can i ask you about labels? people use labels differently. we get very rough labeling from

these entry polls, where people define themselves. and we see it in nevada this year, for example, a lot of both latino and african-american voters describe themselves as moderate or even, quote, conservative. that's conservative democrat, but still. i look at that and then i look at something that's not a label, just an opinion, 78% of hispanics in nevada today said they support medicare for all. >> exactly. that's why the latino vote is complex. we are not simple to understand. and i think, frankly, what's happening here tonight, even, as we are discussing, finally, in this primary process, we are spending a lot of time looking at latino voters and very specifically. and they do -- they trust -- do i want to say trust -- they believe the government has a role to play. they depend on government and they don't have a problem with saying that. and i'm wondering if this is where bernie sanders is basically making a connection

with them, saying, i'm going to protect you. and i'm -- i've been here talking about this, me critically, as somebody who has been around for awhile, and i've known bernie for awhile, i want receipts. who has he actually done in all of this time to actually deliver? >> let me bring in alease, who follows many of these issues for us. we've been following a lot of story lines. it seems that in the air, it has been michael bloomberg, but on the ground, it's bernie sanders. >> it reminds me of 2016, the energy level that was behind donald trump and it just wasn't there for another candidate outside a debate in wisconsin, i remember all of the supporters of donald trump waiting in the freezing cold to see donald trump. you look at that rally that is being staged right now in texas, the lines to get into the rally. the passion in this race, right now, is with bernie sanders. now, has he benefited from the

primary schedule, from caucuses and new hampshire, per happen as little bit, but he's got front-runner momentum and he proved that he can win over minority voters, which was a big question going into south carolina and is he going to have a good question going into south carolina? >> south carolina and beyond, because we're looking just there at some of the footage of this live rally in texas, sanders also in california. sanders, as i mentioned today, is the only candidate who is currently in the democratic race that can be a voter-funded candidate for the whole time. there are a couple billionaires. no one else has the money. he now has the delegates, he's got the voter-funded path and apparently he's got some enthusiasm. >> sure. i mean, i think that's the thing that a movement can do for you. all the things that we're talking about in terms of the ground game, in terms of the energy, in terms of the kind of online presence. there's a whole array of things it can do for you.

the thing that i wonder about this, though, is as these people begin to recognize that the money is just not there for them to continue, that consolidates where that moderate bloc goes. we have not heard the last of michael bloomberg. michael bloomberg may be in the air and bernie's people on the ground. i guarantee you that bloomberg will have lots of people on the ground when he shows up on super tuesday. and so, i think that, as this race becomes narrower, it's going to become more vitriolic and more intensely contested. >> and the question, basil, will it become narrower or start to look very quickly like one person has more delegates than everyone else? this is just not only nevada, if we look at, i think we have the national numbers that are accounting tonight, this is the first time, nationally, that bernie sanders has taken the lead in the total delegates, 26 and counting. the margin of victory would lead you to believe, that's there, 45% and counting out of the 36

delegates in nevada and the overall breakdown, 26 for sanders, 23 for buttigieg and knno one in double digits. >> there are 47 states left and some territories, as well. but this is about building social and political movements. and that's what bernie sanders has done. and not only has he built that kind of movement around his policies, that voters were focused on health care, among all other policy issues, but what his movement does is, create an infrastructure separate and ap part from the inf infrastructure that the actual democratic party has, so, when you have that kind of enthusiasm behind you and you have the money to go the distance, which bloomberg will have by share of his own bank account, but bernie sanders, to your point earlier, has it through voters, i mean, he has the movement, the operation and the funding to go the distance. i don't know where the other candidates do. we were listening to amy

klobuchar earlier and wondering, is she dropping out today? or is she going to actually be moving forward? >> you run a state party. you've been close to this. that is interesting. what did you hear from klobuchar speaking in her home state? >> i just wonder, she struck some tones that were not as aspirational about her future, if i would say that, but i also wonder where -- what room does she have going forward, if you look at the map in terms of the states coming up. she has her home state, clearly, but i do wonder what state she's looking at that she feels that she has some opportunity going forward. and let me just make this quick point about biden. what i'm looking for tonight is joe biden, does he come in second and how close, what kind of sect place does he finish, because if bernie sanders is building a coalition going into south carolina, what does that do for black voters in south carolina who previously been behind joe biden? >> and i would just point out, we don't know if they've been behind joe biden, because if a lot of these early polls meant anything, we'd have a president

giuliani or a president cane. what sanders is benefiting from is counting the votes of people when the races hit their state and they're paying attention, it's very different than asking them, which name might you recognize the best. >> sure. and the other thing about that south carolina vote is that -- that is an electorate that is very much driven by the ability to defeat donald trump. >> that's right. >> if you begin looking -- if we look at this in reverse and see how biden got to be vice president and n the first place, the key to barack obama winning south carolina was not what he did in south carolina, but what he did in iowa. >> yep. >> when lots of african-americans saw that there were white voters willing to vote for a black presidential candidate, that freed them up from the anxiety they may have had about wasting a vote. so, he surged in south carolina as a result of it. biden is on the opposite side of that. the people are looking at you, facing and eroding in other places and their real concern is to make sure the person who told

four congresswoman of color to, quote unquote, go back where you came from, the person who has -- that long kind of checklist we can go through of inflammatory things that donald trump has said that have offended people of color, african-americans in particular, if they don't think that you're the candidate to get that guy out of the white house, then you're going to see that reflected in what happens in south carolina. >> well, and when you talk about that, this is one of the questions on these entry polls in nevada today that were very interesting. if you want a nominee who agrees with you, 56% of those people went for sanders and he's winning nevada, as we have projections in. if you want a nominee who can beat trump, sanders also won that. and so -- >> nice suspension there. >> but isn't that important for these assumptions, in other words, it's very hard for some of the candidates, you can name names and offend people or you can say it broadly and not. but for candidates to say, i

know i'm not winning my own people, who know my name, but i promise you later somehow, some way, i will be the more electable person, aren't you most e legible by winning elec winning races? >> yes, but also, i just want to share a story about being in mississippi at 5:00 in the morning on thursday morning with an african-american driver. and -- and i just said, so who is your candidate? and he's like bloomberg. and i was like, wait, what? and i said was it always? he was like, no, used to be biden. what happened? and he was leike i think bloomberg can win this. >> what state? >> i was in mississippi where bloomberg, by the way, is -- warren has three people on staff in the state of mississippi. no other candidate except for bloomberg who's got over 20 people on staff. >> but this is -- this is one of the questions that's going to be tested. we don't know tonight. we're going to follow the evidence. one of the questions that's going to be tested is for ralat

states that are getting more money from bloomberg than anybody else, is he a bubble? as activities come on the air, he is actually testing a whole different strategy. trump tested a different strategy with high roi and it seemed to work for the electoral college. so we don't know yet. but it seems a lot of what we're hearing with bloomberg is if you run a $2 million ad campaign and you run super bowl ads, people will say the name of your product. >> interestingly, but there is a sense that he, you know, if you think about the african-american voter as being superpragmatic, there is just a sense like he could do this. and -- and you're right. it's like kind of based on what? on a lot of ads being flooded into your television, hulu, youtube, everywhere in mississippi where i was. you were seeing these bloomberg ads. so -- >> i think there's another issue, too. i'm not so sure that -- and we'll see it play out -- but i'm not so sure of the sort of

anti-corporate, anti-private sector rhetoric that bernie and warren tend to use. is something that is appealing to a lot of african-american voters. and the reason i say that is because -- we're not monolithic but in some ways, we are also very aspirational. equity has defined a lot of our movements. whether it's education, whether it's trying to get into unions where we were previously excluded in the urban league. but also, in corporate america. we have a lot of folks out there right now pushing for more representation and c suites. and -- on boards. and there is a sense that there -- we're in a place where we can get to that point. but then you have two candidates out here with a lot of anti-corporate rhetoric and i wonder if that plays into it also. >> well, let's build on that. and i'm curious very much so what you think about that because what you are speaking about is a part of modern, black american culture that certainly -- success as a way to

overcome. but then there is obviously also the rich tradition of civil rights and expecting or making the government try to make good on the historic racism that defines race relations in america. and one of those things is about the government. and the other is really about the market. if you are looking at heroes that say, okay, no, we're going to do this for ourselves. >> sure. and to maria's point, fratthe african-american electorate is complicated and diverse. but one of the things if you can bear with me to make a pop-culture reference, albeit a dated one. if you think about the wire and the character omar. there is a scene where he has a confrontation with a rival. and he says, at this distance, even if i miss, i can't miss. so when you're talking about michael bloomberg, he can win the nomination. he can not win the nomination. what he can also do is rack up enough delegates that he has a lot to say at whatever happens at the convention.

>> well, i hate to do there. especially, on a big election. but it feels like if we are going to go wire, bernie sanders, right, is saying to the entire democratic party, including those who've run state parties like yourself. because y'all have battled with him. >> yes. >> and he is now saying i have the delegate lead. you want it to be one way. but it's the other way. >> yeah. yeah. i get that point. you know, i -- the -- the battle in 2016, and i've said this since then, said where barack ran around the party, bernie ran -- is running against it. >> or -- or he would argue through it. >> well, against -- i mean, the rhetoric would say against it. >> i'm going to push you on this. the votes would say through it. >> well, look. >> these are democratic primaries. these are democratic caucuses. >> i totally understand that there are actually democrats supporting him. but if you look at the rhetoric, i mean, he has gone against -- even in a tweet today. he -- he is consistently putting

the party establishment, if you will, on notice. >> we have to fit in a quick break. i want to come back to that point. i know, maria, we are about to lose you. i want to give you a final thought. and we are waiting three candidate events. but a final thought from you. >> oh, my god. i feel like it's exciting and it's terrifying all at the same time. i mean, i don't know if everybody expected nevada to be like this. but i think there is a lot of shifting that's going on. and i think that probably a lot of people at home right now are feeling -- i don't know -- all the bernie supporters are woo! everybody else is kind of like what's happening here? and it's a wakeup call. and also, i'm glad that we talked a lot about latino voters. >> i want to thank you for being part of our coverage. the rest of our panel stays. i want to tell everyone what is going on because we have a lot more live coverage coming up tonight. including, as mentioned, liev candidate events that you're watching. bernie sanders in texas. elizabeth warren in seattle. pete buttigieg in las vegas, nevada. we're going to bring you those

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good evening to you. i'm ari melber. 8:00 p.m. east coast time. 7:00 p.m. in nevada where nbc

projects bernie sanders the winner of the nevada caucus. he is already -- we should say already won five delegates. but that is our low number out of 36. that number will climb. and this is the overall outcome at this time. 45% for sanders. 19% for biden. 16% for buttigieg. 12% for warren. what's different over the last half hour is that formal projection. sanders the winner. we are not at this time characterizing who would be second or third. you are looking now at three different candidate events. we will bring you some of them, live, this hour. bernie sanders in texas. we have elizabeth warren there with that big flag in seattle, washington. and that pete buttigieg rally, you can see has some surrogates already beginning to speak. that's in nevada. as i was just discussing with our colleague, steve kornacki, before we went to break, what's different now, what nevada has already done is change the overall delegate composition of this national race. steve. >> that's right, ari. so bernie sanders now in the

lead nationally. and that lead should grow as more of these delegates are allocated. you see again here just 4% in. but it's overwhelming. it's a 26-point lead for bernie sanders here. you look at the map of nevada. i think this can be a little bit deceptive. really, almost all the vote is either going to be from washoe county around reno or from clark county, which is the las vegas area. and you see that's bernie sanders' shade of purple right there. pun of the peculiarities of nevada is right here, nye county. this is the third largest county in america by land area. only 40,000 people there. we've got one precinct from it. and tom steyer happens to be winning that precinct. so this enormous piece of real estate is tom steyer's shade and yet it is bernie sanders who is running away with this thing right now. he is doing particularly well, we're seeing in these returns in the las vegas area. the reason is down by las vegas, there's more diversity. there is more racial, ethnic diversity in this county than in washoe county. and i think that gets to one of the big themes here.

i can show you. this jumped ougt at me. among white voters, about 65% of the electorate here in nevada is white. this looked not that different than new hampshire looked. an overwhelmingly white state. sanders led. the reason sanders is running up such a big number here overall, it's nonwhite voters. take a look at this. 44% for bernie sanders there. >> steve, thank you. we're going to jump in because, as promised, we are going to these live events as they occur. let's listen in to mayor pete buttigieg right now in nevada. >> thank you to my love who had a little more than he bargained for on that first date. thank you to our phenomenal leadership team, to our nevada supporters. and thank you to all of you for making this a great day for our campaign here.

to those who questioned whether a midwestern mayor could gather a national movement around a new kind of politics, you are the answer. and to everyone who believes in what we are building, this is your night. this is your campaign. it belongs to the most talented and energetic and kind team of organizers and staff and volunteers that i have ever seen. belongs to the nearly 1 million grassroots supporters who have gone, yes, to peteforamerica.com, and who i'm hoping will help us raise that $13 million we need by super tuesday to stay competitive and make sure we succeed.

it belongs to the students and the entrepreneurs. to the veterans and the culinary workers. to the people of every religion and of no religion. who agree that god does not belong to a political party in the united states. it belongs to the dreamers. wondering whether this country will ever be their own. [ foreign language spoken ] you belong in this country. this campaign belongs to everyone. ready, not only to end the era of donald trump but to launch the era that must come next. now, that bright, bright future lies before us. but it is far from certain. it will come only if we get this

nomination right. and so we are moving on from the battle born state with a battle on our hands. i congratulate my competitors on a vigorous campaign here in nevada. and i congratulate senator sanders on a strong showing today, knowing that we celebrate many of the same ideals. but before we rush to nominate sna senator sanders in our one shot to take on this president, let us take a sober look for what is at stake for our party, for our values, and for those with the most to lose. there is so much on the line. and one thing we know for sure is that we absolutely must defeat donald trump and everything that he represents in november. [ cheers and applause ]

this is important. we share these ideals. but i believe the best way to defeat donald trump and deliver for the american people is to broaden and galvanize the majority that supports us on the critical issues. senator sanders believes in an inflexible, ideological revolution that leaves out most democrats. not to mention most americans. i believe we can defeat trump and deliver for the american people by empowering the american people to make their own healthcare choices with medicare for all who want it. senator sanders believes in taking away that choice. removing people from having the option of a private plan and replacing it with a public plan, whether you want it or not. i believe that we can bring an end to corporate recklessness

and rebalance our economy by empowering workers, raising wages, and insisting that those who gain the most must contribute the most in order to keep the american dream going forward. but that is different from senator sanders' vision of capitalism as the root of all evil. that would go beyond reform and reorder the economy in ways that most democrats, not to mention most americans, don't support. i believe we need to defeat donald trump and turn the page on this era in our politics by establishing a tone of belonging. bringing an end to the viciousness and the bullying that is tearing apart our country. we must change what it feels like to live in the united states of america.

and that is a real difference from senator sanders' revolution with the tenor of combat and division and polarization leading to a future where, whoever wins the day, nothing changes. t the toxic tone of our politics. i believe the only way to truly deliver any of the progressive changes that we care about to be a nominee who actually gives a damn about the effect you are having from the top of the ticket, on those critical front line house and senate democrats that we need to win. the presidency is not the only office that matters. and we have got to support those frontline races because we need to win in order to make sure

this agenda that we have is more than just words on a page. and it is different from senator sanders' willingness to ignore or dismiss, or even attack, the very democrats that we absolutely must send to capitol hill. because we must send them there to keep nancy pelosi as speaker. to support judges who respect privacy and democracy. and to send mitch mcconnell into retirement. let us listen to what they are telling us and support them from the top of the ticket. it is too important. [ cheers and applause ] that is the choice in front of us.

we can prioritize either ideological purity or inclusive victory. we can either call people names online or we can call them into our movement. we can either tighten a narrow and hardcore base or open the te tent to a new and broad and b bighearted american coalition. this is our shot. this is our only shot to beat donald trump. so i am asking americans to make sure that we get this choice right. now, ours is the only campaign that has beaten senator sanders anywhere in the country during this campaign cycle.

and here's how we did it. by bringing in new voters. by running strong across age and gender and ideology. by reaching into cities and suburbs and rural communities alike. we've done it, not by consolidating one extreme faction but, by growing an american majority. uniting not what it is we're against but in what it is that we're for. ours is a coalition hungry for action. if we mobilize fellow americans as allies, instead of pushing them into adversaries, we have shown that we can turn the page on our broken politics without turning off most americans from our politics.

and that is that support of americans from all walks of life that has fueled our campaign. from those first contributions that helped us make it to be among the 20 candidates invited to the first debate stage. to the hundreds of thousands who have joined us since. from our grassroots donors to our amazing volunteers. our tent welcomes supporters like the 16-year-old in las vegas, not even old enough to vote. and a woman who hasn't been involved in politics since jfk was running. this is the student in orangeburg who wants greater funding for bcus. and a grandmother who is passionate about addressing our climate emergency. it is the inspiring, young, latina lawmaker that made it her mission to made sure that nevada

enact the kind of gun reform laws we need in the united states of america. we speak to democrats. to independents. and even to republicans who can no longer look their children in the eye and explain this president. who we are now delighted to call former republicans and sometimes even precinct captains in this campaign. you are welcome. so if you're ready for that future when there's no such thing as an uninsured american or an unaffordable prescription, this campaign for you.

if you believe, like the mother and fast food worker, that i got to march with in charleston seeking a fair wage so she could afford her son's medication, if you believe that one job ought to be enough in this country, this campaign is for you. if you are among the americans i have met from farmers in rural iowa, to nevadans forging a clean-energy future, to act as a nation on climate before it is too late. this is the campaign for you. if you know we must act in our time so that your race has no bearing on your health or your wealth or your experience with law enforcement in the united states of america, this campaign is for you.

if you are for honoring our troops by seeing to it that they are never sent into endless war and never abandoned when they return, this is the campaign for you. if you believe that our country will be a better place if we honor our teachers a little more like soldiers and pay them a little more like doctors, this campaign is for you. and if you believe in a democracy where every vote is counted, and every voter counts, where nobody wins a political race by discriminating on the basis of race, this campaign is for you.

>> we have been listening to pete buttigieg there giving his speech in las vegas, nevada. going directly at bernie sanders in unusually pretty spark terms for mr. buttigieg, who of course also runs as a high mighted campaign. several of them reacting. we're going to get to that in a second. but first, as we often do, we go back to the big board where we have new numbers. steve. >> yes, we ever an updated estimate, ari, from the decision desk about these national convention delegates. remember, 36 pledge delegates will be given out here in nevada. it was at least five for sanders. the new projection is at least 13 of the 36 national convention delegates from nevada will go to bernie sanders. basically, what this is, is our decision desk is saying at least five of the statewide delegates will go to sanders. and he will get at least two from each of the four con gregzigreg gregzle districts in the state, adding to a total of 13.

it's expected that number will rise probably significantly for sanders. but now it's at least 13. and with such distance between him and the other candidates and the other candidates flirting with that 15% line, unclear right now if any of these individually are going to get any. sanders the only one at this point projected to get delegates. that's 13. just looking at here his national delegate lead is 34-23 now over pete buttigieg. >> let's keep this shot. i'm talking to our colleagues in the control room. let's keep this shot, steve, of you and that 34 number up there. because this is what's changing right now before our eyes. bernie sanders now has more than triple the national delegates of everyone in the race except for pete buttigieg, who we just heard from trying to make the argument in that room and to the rest of nation, mr. buttigieg was moments ago, steve, that this was a two-person race. and it's not a two-person race with bloomberg or biden.

when you look at 34 and counting, steve, what does that say to the other candidates who are third or behind in the national -- in the national delegates? >> yeah. i mean, the problem here, you are seeing just in the results. you got the delegates here. let me go back to the statewide results. you are seeing the problem and it's a logjam. remember, statewide and in each congressional district, the threshold to get any is 15. and i mean, look at this. you got three here. biden, buttigieg, warren. just clustered. you know, biden's a little bit north. warren's a little bit south. buttigieg, right just one point over that 15% margin. sanders, meanwhile, sitting up here at 45%. collecting the lion's share of these delegates. the thing that is really standing out to me in these numbers, these entrance polls, is the hispanic support bernie sanders has here. and you are seeing as this electorate gets more diverse, what sanders is able to do versus you talk about pete buttigieg. he is able to get 16%. he's competitive there with white voters. getting very little, scant support from black voters.

doing okay with hispanic voters. but you see it puts you at limitations there in terms of the number of delegates you are able to collect. >> i want to remind everyone we are still waiting on other remarks, including from bernie sanders himself on this big night. but does this mean that pete buttigieg has a little bit of a reverse obama challenge? one of our panelists mentioning earlier tonight, moments ago, that when barack obama won iowa, it was seen as adding to his coalition, even among african-american voters in south carolina and elsewhere who were potentially open to him. here, mr. buttigieg tonight didn't do that if other people around the country are looking to see that he can build a coalition. >> here it is. this is the black vote in our entrance poll here. you don't even see pete buttigieg's name on here. the number i am looking at here is 3% in the entrance poll here. again, the theory of the case, you heard from buttigieg was hey, he'll do well in iowa and new hampshire.

>> stay with me, steve. i got wows over here. go ahead. >> so the thing is -- i mean, i am tempted to say when you saw that cutaway and the african americans on stage behind him. like, how nice of the mayor to bring his entire national african-american support on stage with him tonight. so this kind of weakness of his, i mean it's been chronic. people have known this from the beginning. he's made almost no inroads in this way. and i mean, it's a liability. like what's going to happen in south carolina won't be any better. now, what was interesting, i think, about his attacks -- >> well, before we go to his attacks. with steve on that, i think we will pull that back up. i mean, that's -- we talk about this stuff because we're all junkies to some degree. we talk about it endlessly, steve. but what's behind you, in black voters, you are saying pete buttigieg isn't on the board. >> he is not on the board. in fact, i gave you a number there. i'm just double checking here to make sure i have the exact right number here so i'm just looking into this spreadsheet to make sure i got that right. black vote here it is. oh, i'm sorry. i said 3.

it's 2. 2%. so we're going to put a pin that conversation and go to the man of the hour there with his wife. you see bernie sanders celebrating this nevada victory. he is about to speak. i will tell everyone when we come back on the other side, we'll hear more from our panelists in that conversation. but let's listen in to bernie sanders on a winning night. >> thank you. thank you, san antonio! and let me introduce to you the next first lady of the united states. you will be very proud of her as first lady.

you know, based on what i have seen today in texas, we were in el paso, we're here now. don't tell -- don't tell anybody. i don't want to get 'em nervous. we are gonna win the democratic primary in texas. [ cheers and applause ] and, you know, you know, this is also important. the president gets very, very upset easily so don't tell him that we're going to beat him here in texas. and now, i'm delighted to bring you some pretty good news. i think all of you know we won the popular vote in iowa.

we won the new hampshire primary. and according to three networks and the ap, we have now won the nevada caucus. so let me -- let me thank the people of nevada. for their support. in nevada, we have just put together a multigenerational, multiracial coalition, which is going to, not only win in nevada, it's going to sweep this country.

and in nevada and in new hampshire and in iowa, what we showed is that our volunteers are prepared to knock on hundreds and hundreds of thousands of doors. that no campaign has a grassroots movement like we do, which is another reason why we're going to win this election. in nevada, i want to thank our rank and file union members. i want to thank make the road. and all of the grassroots organizations that helped us win there. we are going to win here in texas.

we are going to -- we are going to win across the country because the american people are sick and tired of a president who lies all of the time. they are sick and tired of a corrupt administration. they are sick and tired of a president who is undermining american democracy. who thinks he is above the law. and who, apparently, has never read the constitution in this country. the american people are sick and

tired of a government which is based on greed, corruption, and lies. they want an administration which is based on the principles of justice. economic justice. social justice. racial justice. and environmental justice. now, trump and his friends think they are going to win this election. they think they're going to win this election by dividing our people up based on the color of their skin or where they were

born or their religion or their sexual orientation. we are going to win because we are doing exactly the opposite. we're bringing our people together! we are bringing our people together. black and white and latino. native american, asian-american. gay and straight. we are bringing our people together around an agenda that works for the working people of this country, not the 1%. all over this country, workers are sick and tired of earning starvation wages.

you can't make it on nine bucks an hour or 11 bucks an hour or 12 bucks an hour. we are going to raise the federal minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. we are going to provide equal pay for equal work for women. we are going to make it easier for workers to join unions. we're going to create millions of good-paying union jobs by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. and building the 10 million units of low-income and affordable housing this country desperately needs.

we're going to win this election because we believe in education. we are going to have high-quality, affordable, universal childcare. we are going to triple funding for low-income title i schools. and we need great teachers in this country. we need more latino teachers. we need more african-american teachers. and because we know the vitally important work that teachers do, we're going to fight to make sure that no teacher in america

earns less than $60,000 a year. and because we believe in education, we believe that all of our people, regardless of their income, are entitled to a higher education. and that is why we're going to make public colleges and universities tuition free. and we're going to cancel all student debt in this country. by imposing a modest tax on wall street speculation.

12 years ago, we bailed out the crooks on wall street. now, it is their turn to help the working families in this country. and, together, we are going to end the international embarrassment of the united states of america, our great country, being the only major country on earth not to guarantee healthcare to all people. so let me be as clear as i can be. healthcare is a human right, not a privilege. we are going to end the absurd situation in which we now are spending twice as much per

person on healthcare as the people of any other country. yet, 87 million of us are uninsured or underinsured. 30,000 die each year, and 500,000 people go bankrupt because of medically-related debt. in america, you should not go bankrupt because you're struggling with cancer. the function of a rational and humane healthcare system is to guarantee healthcare to all, not make 100 billion in profits for the drug companies and the insurance companies. and we are going to take on the greed and corruption of the pharmaceutical industry.

under our administration, the american people will not pay, in some cases, ten times more for the same prescription drugs sold in mexico, canada, or europe. and when we talk about the major crises facing this country, it is a sad state of affairs when we have a president of the united states who believes that climate change is a hoax. while t well, the scientific community has a slight disagreement with mr. trump. they think that climate change is an existential threat to this planet. and our administration believes in science, not right-wing

extremism. and that is why, together, we are going to adopt the principles of the green new deal. which creates up to 20 million good-paying jobs, as we transform our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency. brothers and sisters, this is a moral issue. we must make sure that the planet we leave our children and grandchildren is a planet that is healthy and habitable.

and when we talk about issues that must be dealt with, we, in fact, are going to reform a broken and racist criminal justice system. we do not want to continue a situation where we have more people in jail than any other country, including china, four times our size. and the people in jail are disproportionately african-american, latino, and native american. and that is why we are going to invest in our young people, in jobs, in education. not more jails and incarceration. that is why we are going to end

private prisons and detention centers. that is why we are going to end the war on drugs and legalize mau marijuana in every state in this country. let me ask you all a question. let me ask you a serious question. how many people in this room tonight know somebody who was arrested for possession of marijuana? we are going to move forward to expunge the records of those arrested for possession of marijuana. and when we talk about broken

and racist systems, we are going to bring about fundamental reform to our immigration system. i am the son of an immigrant. my father came to this country from poland without a nickel in his pocket. couldn't speak a word of english. had very little education. i know something about the immigrant experience. together, we are going to end the demonization of the undocumented in this country. on our first day in office, through executive order, we rescind all of trump's racist immigration executive orders.

on our first day in office, through executive order, we restore the legal status of the 1.8 million young people and their parents eligible for daca. on our first day in office, we end a border policy which, today, allows federal agents to grab babies from the arms of their mothers. and throw children into cages. that is not what america is about. and together, we will do what the american people have wanted to do for years. and that is pass comprehensive immigration reform and a path toward citizenship.

earlier today, jane and i were in el paso at the memorial at that terrible shooting. terrible shooting in el paso. at the walmart store there. and this is my promise to you. our gun safety legislation, which the american people want because they are disgusted by the amount of gun violence and mass killings in this country. our gun safety legislation will be written by the american people, not the nra. we will have universal background checks. we will end the gun show loophole. and we will do what the american people want, and that is end the

sale and distribution of assault weapons in this country. you know, i am a united states senator. and i am on the floor of the senate very often listening to speeches have republican conservatives. and as you know, their mantra, what they talk about all the time, is that they believe in small government. they believe in getting the government off the backs of the american people. and what i say tonight to those hypocrites, if you believe in getting the government off the backs of the american people, understand that it is women who have a right to control their own bodies, not the government.

and my promise to you is that i will never nominate anybody to the supreme court or the federal bench who is not 100% pro-roe v. wade. we will codify roe v wade, put it into law. and we will significantly expand funding for planned parenthood. as a united states senator, i do understand the power of the corporate elite and the 1%. they have -- they have, literally, unlimited amounts of money. they have significant control

over the media. over our economy. and over the political life of this country. but at the end of the day, the 1% is 1%. i don't have a ph.d. in mathematics. but i do know that 99% is a heck of a lot bigger number than 1%. so what this campaign is about is understanding that if we do not allow trump to divide us up by the color of our skin or where we were born or our religion or our sexual orientation. if we stand together, if we fight for an agenda that works for working families and the

middle class. if we get involved in the political process. if we stand for justice. if we stand for compassion. if we understand that we are all in this together. that my family has to care about your family, yo. your family cares about my family. brothers and sisters, if we stand together, we will not only defeat trump, we will transform this country and create a government and an economy that works for all of us, not wealthy campaign contributors. thank you all very much. we have been listening to a joyous bernie sanders, accompanied there by his wife who he called the future first

lady of the united states of america. the location, confidence, texas super tuesday state. the results, confident. nbc projecting sanders the winner of the nevada caucus currently at 45% of the numbers. and tonight, mark it on your calendar. saturday, february 22nd, the national delegate lead. confident bernie sanders officially takes the lead in the metric that matters. he is a front-runner in delegates for the race to be the democrat's presidential nominee. i am ari melber anchoring our special coverage. our entire panel is still here. i want to bring in raul rayez who's been with us graciously and i haven't been able to call on you yet. what it means, a, for bernie sanders and, b, for those challenging him. but i will remind folks before senator sanders, we heard mayor buttigieg, who was arguing on his stage, this is a two-person race now as we watch senator sanders make his way through this texas crowd. >> first of all, with reference to buttigieg, the thing that

really struck me from his speech. he was calling for unity and coming together and bringing people in, as he is taking shots at -- at -- at bernie sanders and -- and his movement. so that seemed very out of tone for a speech you're giving post-election. but to me, the message, you know, that bernie sanders can take away, the lesson is the same for him and all the other candidates. is that what -- what bernie sanders has done rather than -- i think rather than people in the democratic party, surrogates having this collective freakout that bernie is winning. is to learn from this because he is providing a lesson, a model of how to engage and turn out latino voters. that's been like this ongoing question. if you are a latino journalist or anybody who follows latino politics, that has been like the unanswered question for generation. so people should be studying that. and remember, look, bernie sanders four years ago when it was hillary versus bernie. hillary was widely embraced by the latino community. she had all the endorsements.

she had the money. she had all sorts of popular support. people didn't know bernie sanders. he was an unknown quantity to the latinos. fast forward to know, he is where he is with latino voters because he put in the work. >> and there are those -- there are those looking at tonight. and they say, okay, small state. the debates over caucuses. of course, you have to win in the path that the party sets up. but you are speaking, i believe, beyond nevada. you're saying the template sanders has here could apply in texas, could apply in california? >> absolutely because he has had very sincere, very sustained engagement with the latino community. and it's very small things when you talk about how do you bring in latino voters? how do you get a community engaged? it's a common thing in latin communities, you hire a mariachi band. everybody does that. when the bernie sanders team goes in, they don't do that. they go to the local high school. find the local student group

that does the mariachis. their families come in. that way, it's a family event. and it's these small, little things that -- that -- that i think bring the influencers in the latino families, multigenerational of the latino families. a lot of people i have spoken to when i'm out west, latino voters, they really haven't been contacted in any sustained way prior to this election cycle by bernie sanders. >> he talked about unions in that speech too. and reengaging them as strong partners of the party would -- the party to the extent that he's going to engage it. but the democrat -- they are going to be critical to this election, especially in states like wisconsin, illinois, and others. and i would also add, you know, and i was sort of mentioning this point earlier. that even though bernie sanders, in many ways with his rhetoric, has run against the party. he is creating a framework and infrastructure that is incredibly important.

in part, because since 2016, as you have talked about, there are supporters that have gone into individual state parties and at the dnc to try to rewrite the rules or change the rules to make it more small d democratic. but also, more better for the kind of campaign that he has the ability to run. so, you know, and think about it. you know, back when i was younger and watching jesse jackson on tv in '84 and '88, he made me want to be a democrat because he was talking about inclusivity of the party. and you saw it when bill clinton became president that there were a number of african-americans sort of joining his staff. and i owe that largely to jesse. ron brown, head of the dnc. so, in many ways, you have a lot of african-americans looking at the party as a vehicle for political, social empowerment. the question for me, going forward, is does bernie sanders provide that same opportunity, a similar opportunity? the potential is there. but this is -- that's the thing that i'm waiting for.

>> but strategically, you know, he has done things other candidates have not done. for example, all the candidates, they were in east las vegas. that's where the majority of the hispanic population is. however, bernie sanders had a concerted effort in the las vegas suburbs because that's where the most latino voters are. and that's the type of different that gives him the numbers he has. >> you mentioned the rhetoric. at least bernie sanders taking this commanding finish tonight, as i mentioned. posting today online, on twitter, as so many politicians communicate. that he won't be stopped by the republican establishment or the democratic establishment. and you were talking earlier about the echoes in the republican party. the ron paul campaign, the trump campaign, all were texsts of whether the people who tend to participate care more about things other than what they viewed as the party establishment. >> and i have been banging around this question the last couple weeks but really today. is bernie sanders ron paul in 2012? or is he donald trump in 2016? and what are the lessons from

those two experiences? you look at 2012, when ron paul -- he defied expectations in new hampshire. no one expected. he had better showings than had been expected and he was playing the delegate game. then flip to 2016 and donald trump was hated by the republican establishment, but the voters were there. they were there with him. and the establishment, the never trump movement got tired and gave up essentially. and so with bernie sanders going into this next phase, i think we saw shades in pete buttigieg's speech. >> that's what i want to bring you in on. we have heard so much about the idea that maybe some of these early races are too controlled by party activists. >> right. >> and the democratic party uses these caucuses both in iowa and nevada. we have heard a lot about that. but if you actually think about that, it makes bernie sanders' results more impressive because it shows that in iowa and nevada where he did very well in both

places, and tonight a commanding victory in nevada, where you would think democratic party activists would have more sway, more control, and potentially, if you buy that argument, skepticism of someone who was not a long-term democratic party partisan. is it time for people to acknowledge on the metrics thus far, and we will always revise as we get more facts, but on the evidence thus far bernie sanders has an impressive path through the center of the democratic party system? >> sure, absolutely. and implicitly that's what pete buttigieg just acknowledged. and so if you have a kind of flashback moment when he said we are the only campaign that's beaten bernie sanders, well, flashback four years and that's ted cruz in iowa when he is saying, look, if you don't want this to be your guy, i'm the only person who can stop him. we see how that turned out for

ted cruz. >> we are waiting, because we have more live coverage, awaiting elizabeth warren who hasn't spoken yet if you are wondering about the candidates not as much on the boards in iowa. she is third in the national delegate count with eight delegates followed by klobuchar with seven. if you count, as we do, you have women running third and fourth in the national delegate count. joe biden way behind that. these women candidates who have made that part of their appeal. the warren campaign weighing into that. she is fourth currently. and we have ali vitali at that warren event. i know you are out in seattle, my hometown, the 206. what's going on out there? >> reporter: we are waiting for elizabeth warren to stake ttake stage. a few thousand people here. i think the thing coming out of nevada is this campaign was hoping her debate performance was going to catapult her. that's obviously not what happened. maybe that's because of early voting, maybe other factors.

they are painting the debate performance as important for nevada and important for the campaign at large. they feel it reinvigorated their efforts and helped them further down the calendar. when you are looking at the elizabeth warren campaign, they have long said that they are built out for the long haul. they are really looking at super tuesday starting to get ads up on the airwaves here and starting it to push the envelope on tv because you know well super tuesday is an air game and a ground game. they have got the 1,000 or so staffers across the country. now they have to fill in the gaps of competing with breaking news and michael bloomberg on the airwaves. that $14,000 they raised is crucial. thinking is if you can stay in long enough, you will be the one to consolidate the rest of the field, build a coalition. she needs the in money to stay in long enough to do that. >> on a personal note, if you have time, i recommend izele's chicken in the central district while you are out there.

>> reporter: you got it. >> have fun. out in the pacific northwest. we have just a few more minutes in the hour. live coverage will continue. don't go anywhere. before i hand off, i want to ask, 30 seconds each to the panelists, who won tonight? >> bernie sanders. if joe biden has a stronger second-place finish, he is in a good position going into south carolina. doesn't look like his numbers are moving up so much. >> bernie sanders and latino voters. this is one of the occasions where latino voters are front and center, people are talking about it and thinking how did he do this? that's a win for the community. >> similar. bernie sanders and black voters because all eyes on them going into south carolina. they will be a very important vote not just for bernie sanders potentially, but also joe biden. >> do you think there is a surge

for an amounttilternative to san south carolina? >> for the folks i talked to down there, it looks like bloomberg's actually in play, even steyer to some extent, which is very interesting to he moochlt we'll see. >> bernie sanders and possibly texas democrats. when you look at what's happening in texas and you see the size of that crowd, there are people who are salivating, you know, an ongoing effort to turn texas purple if not blue and they are thinking maybe we can tap into this grassroots energy and put that to our purposes. >> i am told we have time for one more wire reference. >> oh, yeah. the important thing that, in effect, with this speech, bernie sanders said my name is my name. >> word. >> yes, wow, that's right. that's exactly right. >> never a bad time to go back and watch "the wire." i thoroughly get behind that. i would rather watch that.

>> it is a show, if i may, it is about power and it is about your word and it's about who has your back. >> that's right. >> and people love the mobster movies, "the godfather," "the wire." bernie sanders is walking through the neighborhood and people are figuring out he runs a bunch of the neighborhood. that neighborhood is the democratic party. >> he said he is decriminalizing -- >> i didn't not say he is omar. i think we have had a thoughtful and lively panel of experts on a big night. i thank each and every one of them. you can always find me here on msnbc. if you didn't like something, let us know ari at msnbc.com. thank you for watching. our coverage continues live from las vegas with joy reid right after this. saturdays happen. pain happens. aleve it.

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officially projected senator bernie sanders of vermont as the winner of the nevada caucuses. and a majority of its 36 delegates. the results here in the silver state are perhaps the most decisive of the primary season so far. because the voters in the previous two races in iowa and new hampshire were overwhelmingly white, which is not representative of the country or the democratic party, nevada where 4 in 10 voters are non-white is more reflective where this race is headed nationwide. sanders, who won squeakers in the previous contests, won big in the kind of diverse state democrats will need to take on trump in november. and tonight he lays legitimate claim to being the frontrunner for the democratic nomination. i'll say to you viewers who are tuning in this evening, i said it to, earlier on our air, that essentially politics is about passion, right? it's also about mechanics,

getting people out to vote. i have a personal truism of politics that the most eager, the most anxious, the most determined base will usually get what they want. the people who have the most passion normally win out in terms of getting the nomination for their party. you go back to 1992, young voters ignored what older voters said. they wanted a change in generation and they wound up getting it with bill clinton. you go to 2008. black voters saw that barack obama was viable, he was viable in iowa with a mostly white electorate and they said we are going to do anything in our power to make sure he is the nominee. tonight i think what you saw is the most passionate base on the democratic party side are bernie sanders base. they are younger for the most part, but not all young. they are more latino, they are more african-american, at least under age 30, and they want fundamental change in the country. and because they are the most passionate base, they got what

they wanted here in this state. it's the first real proof of concept that bernie sanders has been able to show that he could do what he has always said his revolution could do, to bring out the most passionate voters. again, truism just of mine, the most passionate base will normally get what they want, and tonight it's bernie sanders' base who got what they want. joining me john ralston and the editor of the nevada independent. and jennifer palmieri, and former communications director for the hillary clinton campaign. thank you for being here. this was much more decisive for bernie sanders than the previous races. and it feels like a lot of the reason for that is the more diverse state and it is proof of concept that he can turn out younger voters of color as well as more liberal white voters. >> the entrance polls showed he is doing very well among hispanic voters and that is a

significant part of the electorate, but something you said is really important. passion will beat mechanics almost every time. guess what? sanders last time had only passion when he barely lost a state to hillary clinton. he had passion and mechanics this time. this wasn't a rag tag group of folks running it. these were political pros, folks who worked for harry reid, they had the best organization by far the best field operation and highest number of operatives. you put those two together, no one can compete with it. >> one of the things we missed looking from 30,000 feet up, in 2016, jen, is that the most passionate, the most angry, the most determined voters really were white voters who said we don't want to pick up the phone and hear press 1 for spanish, we want a country that's going to focus on the needs of white christians. they were the most passionate voters. it's why they managed to get

donald trump through a 16-person field and nobody could see it coming because people didn't recognize that passion. i worked in a small way on the obama campaign. you saw it. people were not just about barack obama becoming president obama. there was a passion. the passion this time is with sanders. >> yeah, by definition, it's like you don't see it because it's on the outside. you can't see that coming. but i think what i see is the difference between, particularly in this state from now, and four years ago, the bernie sanders campaign was well organized. my understanding is they empowered a lot of people on the ground and that's a smart way to build a strategy that's actually going to work that you can rely on because it's built on local supporters, and things have gotten a lot worse ht last four years, particularly for young hispanics who live with the fear of a parent being deported every single day. they live with the fear that they, themselves, could be deported every single day.

and economic anxiety has not waned. it is a different america. and they were able to -- he has passionate supporters, but they proved their skill in how well they could organize in this state. during early vote, i mean, they worked the early vote so well. unlike iowa and new hampshire which didn't see a huge growth in new voters, we did in the caucus and particularly in the early vote. you saw sanders would do a rally and then march people to vote right to the very polls. a i think that was the difference. that's why he ended up with a huge number today. >> let's look at the numbers. you look at it by race. if you look at african-american voters, which are very much split right now in this electorate by age demographic. so that's why it looks so split. biden still leads. sanders is just behind him at 28%. steyer, who has invested a lot

of money in trying to turn black voters his way, it goes down from there. warren is next. the black vote is split generationally. the latino voters for sanders, 54-14. that's important. that's like 11%, 12% of the electorate here. with white voters it's mushier. 30% for sanders and it's mushy down the line. white voters are making different kinds of choices. the other thing to think about here, john, we are not taking into account the anger, the rage, the sense of frustration of low wealth people. this isn't just about latino voters coming into their own and voting their vote share. this is about people who don't make a lot of money, living in a country where you can't live without a roommate, you can't earn a decent wage. we're billionaires -- where billionaires don't pay taxes but you are drowning economically. sanders appeals to those voters. it happens a lot of that working

class is brown and black. >> that's right, and as jen said, a lot of people have not done that well under trump even though he brags about the economy and by a lot of metrics the economy is doing really well. for some people it's not. you talk about that anger. those people are angry. they have been left behind in an economy that they think is unfair to them. then there is another group, joy. young people who see the world that they are just about to come into as young adults, into the working world, and they don't see the opportunities there or they see limited kinds of opportunities for them. that's a lot of who the bernie sanders folks are. >> that's right. >> they are passionate, and to some extent they are very angry. >> let me show you guys this number by age. age 17 to 29 is, you know, overwhelmingly sanders base. these youngers voters who are, by the way, 17 to 29-year-olds are the single most diverse voting age group in the country. they are much more diverse than my generation, which is

generation x, much more diverse than the boomers, more diverse than the silent generation and older. just as a class of voters of people, of humans than older voters. 53% are very liberal, enter medicare for all. i think that young voter and hispanic 51%, but i think the other issue about young voters, and jen, my daughter and i had this conversation. she is sort of the end of millennial, between millennial and generation y, when i got out of college, i got out -- even though it was the end of the george h.w. bush administration, it was quickly the clinton administration. i could walk out and get another job the next day. i had my now husband and i were dating at the time. he would get paid and leave his check for a week. it wasn't urgent. we always had money in our pockets. he felt like the possibilities for us, generation x, were endless. every time we turned around a u.p.s. driver was becoming a

millionaire. this generation does not feel like they have the possibilities in this country that were promised not just to our generation, but to their grandparents, and they are determined to flip the tables and they really don't listen to the regular order democrats who say this socialist idea is just not realistic. they don't want to hear it. >> yeah. i come from generation x, too. i am hopeful and i expect things will get better. if you look at it from a young person's perspective, their experience as things continue to get worse. you know, the biden campaign was banking people -- everybody is going to want to go back to normal, which i don't think we can do. politics will continue to change. it's not going pack to normal. what they were discounting is how much worse everything is going to get in the four years that trump was president. so the irony for them is people don't want to go back to something like what biden represents. they want dramatic change.

and these young people -- like i'm so old, but they are not wrong -- >> i know. >> they are not wrong, but the system has failed them. change doesn't happen. huge problems have gone unresolved and congress doesn't work and it doesn't represent the views of the country. those things are all true. and i can keep waiting for it to hit rock bottom and improve, and they are saying we are going to vote for something totally different. >> it's interesting because i look at an elizabeth warren who channels very -- the very, you know, easy to understand, well explained policy ideas to change this, right. she has the experience of creating legislation that can make it work, but she is working as a regular order democrat, still working in sort of the normal's world. that does not resonate with this group of people. you think about pete buttigieg, who is a millennial, but he is saying things -- we were talking earlier, some consultant decided to come up with medicare for all who want -- that's like freedom for all who want it.

it's not inspiring, not going to move people who want fundamental change. all these other people running are saying a version of normal politics, and obviously sanders, he zidoesn't have 80% of the electorate, he has a third or 40%. it's enough. >> it's probably enough to have at least the most delegates and maybe now depending how momentum goes a majority of the delegates going into milwaukee. it's really interesting to think about elizabeth warren who is so smart and so good in almost every debate, and who would really, i think, all of the things being equal have a lot of -- be able to tap into young peoples' anger. bernie sanders started building this base in 2016. none of those people were going to be torn away from him to go to elizabeth warren. she was coming into this with all of that to be taken, i think she would have gotten a lot of that. it's just not there. you see she is not doing very well. meanwhile, the fascinating thing

about buttigieg to me is that he is so cool all the time and he doesn't inspire that kind -- >> chilly? >> well, i think very calm. i think he does come across as chilly and arrogant to some people. there is no doubt about that. you know, being cool on tv -- by the way, i have been told this many times, it's better than being hot because it's a hot medium. he comes across that way. i think a lot of democrats say that's not the time. as jen was talking about, they don't want someone, the cool steady hand in the tiller. they want someone to tap into their anger and rage at what is going on in this country under trump. and while i think he is a tremendously smart guy, i agree with you on the consultant machine made sound bites. i don't think he is able to generation that kind of passion. >> right. it is a puzzle, especially to us gen-x folks. warren seems a woman was robbed of the white house last night. i mean this in a non-pejorative

way. bernie sanders has a cult of personality as a person, which there is a codicile to what trump has. i said the other day, how are you feeling against running against the democratic socialist candidate, he said i would rather not run against a movement. so there is a sense in which republicans may be a little too goalieful and democrats may be a little too depressed. you have a sense of mourning that i'm sensing among democrats, people like me who have been democrats our whole voting lives saying the party has been seized by this movement that really is led by somebody who is not even a registered democrat. >> i think that conventionality is donald trump's friend. if he is running against a conventional candidate, that could be his friend. so i think that the trump campaign may think they want sanders, but they should be careful about away they wish for. an unconventional candidate is going to be tough. it's harder for them. it's a harder playbook i think for them to run against. but could i go back to warren for a second?

>> sure. >> because i think about this. i think about this all the time. i think about it all the time. what happened to elizabeth warren? she is the most talented communicator in the field. it may be that she was trying to straddle trying to appeal to the very progressive as well as the middle and that was a hard thing to do, but i think a lot about how -- about gender and why when she and bernie are so closely aligned on issues and she, too, has a lifelong record of fighting on these issues, on fairness and fighting corruption, but everything defaults to, you know, to sanders. he could be a pure form of what she is offering. she did straddle the line on medicare for all. that could be where it went astray. i think about what role does gender play there, too. >> this is another thing i am thinking about all the time.

a lot of democrats are getting panicked about whether or not somebody who self-identifies as a socialist or democratic socialist as bernie sanders insists upon, he is sticking with it. in a state like nevada, does it put nevada in play for the republicans if that -- because america isn't what you want -- what you may want it to be. black folks, we have a bit of an advantage. we know what america is. so we have a lot of doubt when it comes to the idea -- there is a lot of doubt that a black president could be elected. a lot of people doubted that. so the idea that a socialist can win is something a lot of democrats are having panic attacks saying we are going to lose arizona, california, kiss off florida. in a state like nevada, you know it better than anybody else, can somebody self-identify as a democratic socialist win a state? >> yes. nevada has gotten much bluer the last few cycles. the democratic party here is a machine. the republican party doesn't barely exist. it's just been taken over by the trump campaign. the democrats have all the

registration advantage and all of that. the only hope the republicans have, they have been banking on bernie sanders, you cannot win in a swing state like nevada. but, you know, maybe jen will correct me, but this is the flip side of clinton wanting trump out -- i think that -- because he is so extreme and whatever else. listen, there is a lot of smart conservatives who are going out on twitter in the wake of this and saying stop. stop celebrating this. we don't know what might happen because every campaign is one accident away, one bad accident way air force something not competitive be competitive. >> we will keep talking the rest of this hour. wonderful people, john and jennifer. stick around. we have much, much more on the nevada caucus results live from las vegas. i'm your 70lb st. bernard puppy,

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money. it's about people that show up. so thank you all. >> senator elizabeth warren stopped at a caucus location in henderson, nevada, earlier today. right now we are waiting for her to address reporters in seattle after a disappointing turnout here in nevada.

despite her fiery debate performance this week. a poll following that debate found warren rising two points, but still in fourth place. she is now looking to south carolina in the super tuesday contest to move up and move on in this race. joining me is josi ross, co-host of breakdancing with wolves. and tiffany cross, co-founder and managing editor of the beat d.c. a harvard fellow. give you the honorific. i was asking you in the break if you were surprised by the results. say on camera what you said to me. >> yeah, well, bernie sanders has, he created an infrastructure in 2015. he is benefiting from five years of work here in nevada, and that includes the 27 federally recognized tribes that are here in nevada, and by the way, we talked about it. the results are just drn the margin is going to get bigger on behalf of bernie sanders because those remote locations have indian reservations and a lot of those places, those are swinging

heavily for to bernie. this is not a surprise at all. if people are surprised, they weren't doing their research for the past five years that bernie's created significant inroads and made 47% of the vote in 2016 with hillary, who was thought to be dominating this state. >> right. i mean, what you are seeing, tiffany, there has been a lot of talk for many years. we talk about it often on our "a.m. joy" show. there is this coming bubble of latinx voters that at any moment people say will kick in and start to really change the way democratic politics looks. this is one instance where that happened and where you did see, you know, this surge of voters that are from the latinx community overwhelmingly for bernie sanders and also josi ross mentioned indigenous communities here the same way. >> yeah, i think good on bernie

sanders for to censoring latinx voters. for the first time this year they will eclipse black voters in terms of number of eligible voters. they made up, i think, over 20% of caucus goers. bernie sanders was on the ground early. he spent, i think, over $20 million in his outreach there. his ground game was simply better. the asian american pacific islander community is huge in vegas and they had a lot of outreach, bernie sanders as well as elizabeth warren did. when you see these candidates who have centered the rising majority of this country as part of their ground game, you see them rise in the polls. you see them win states. and then when you see people who have never made any effort to center people at the center of their campaign, i.e., amy klobuchar, she doesn't do well. it sends a message to all the campaigns, this is your base. stop trying to appeal to trump voters. stop trying to talk about how you can win red states. talk to the people.

dance with the one who brung you. i think we saw that with bernie sanders tonight. >> yeah, let's take a look at a couple of -- we are going outside and look at what is sort of coming. i'll note for the audience, earlier we were able to observe a caucus location. one of the things that was very interesting is that, you know, this sort of second most robust group of people at that caucus were sanders supporters. a slightly smaller number for pete buttigieg. the biggest cohort in that room was biden supporters. and the differences were interesting. the sanders and biden supporters were the most diverse. the buttigieg sort of group were much less diverse, at least at the place where we were. so let's look at other places where the latinx vote and where these voters of color might make a difference. first california, which is in super tuesday, which means super tuesday is like really expensive and really difficult. sanders has a majority there over joe biden.

michael bloomberg sort of creeping up pretty quickly in that poll in the latest poll with elizabeth warren just behind him. and that's, you know, that supports the anecdotal evidence i'm hearing from black women and older african-american who are freaking out that biden is dropping and going to bloomberg. then you look at a poll like south carolina and it's the reverse. you now have joe biden who is on top. very strong support still among african-american, but bernie sanders actually starting to creep up and tom steyer, who has invested a lot of money in south carolina, starting to come up and everyone else in single digits. it really shows you that these voters of color are the swing voters that make a difference in these states. the candidates like amy klobuchar and like pete buttigieg who have been unable to appeal to them, they don't go anywhere. >> yeah, i mean arknd we've see it with the republican party is trying to offer money. like they are trying to make it

rain on black voters because they realize there is power there. the democratic party has been chasing waterfalls going to try to appeal to these red states as tiffany mentioned, trying to swing other voters, but, no, you have a strong base here. with this increasing population here in nevada with latinx voter, indigenous communities, black voters, you know where they are going to vote. they are not going to vote republican with any sort of predictability, so you might as well spend the resources where you get a better return. >> let's look at where we're going because the calendar is not friendly to the next set of people who are in the single digits right now because you've got super tuesday that's got 1344 -- this is a small number of delegates awarded today in comparison to california which by itself has 415 delegates. the super tuesday map is alabama, american samoa, arkansas, maine, massachusetts, minnesota, north carolina, oklahoma, utah, virginia, vermont, all at once.

and i'll ask each of you starting with you, tiffany, for joe biden it's make or break, right? does he need to win south carolina to even be able to survive to super tuesday? >> it is do or die for joe biden. let me say quickly about the map. you also have to remember those latinx voters in texas and north carolina. those are huge gets for the candidates. but to biden in south carolina i think biden's challenge has been really tom steyer because tom steyer has flooded south carolina with ads, ad buys and really a strong outreach to black voters. so what you could potentially see happening is sanders coming up right through the middle, winning south carolina potentially. so, you know, i hate to make predictions in this post-trump era, but that is a realistic possibility that people will have to consider. and i just want to say, joy, i think, you know, when we see kind of who is voting for sanders, his base, in the last

segment you talked about as gen-x'ers and the hope we had, for younger people who will be casting ballots, a huge part of the contistituency, obama was their floor, not their ceiling. they don't look at sanders as a huge threat to the american experiment. they look at everything he is saying, all these big vast promises he is making as gettable. so, you know, i think they are going to have some influence over how his chances look when we get to super tuesday. >> yeah, depends if they vote on the same level as the laid december who go to the polls every time. thank you both very much. more p.m. joy live from las vegas, including coverage of elizabeth warren. we are going to wait for her to pop up live in seattle. cologuard: colon cancer screening

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to win in order to make sure that this agenda that we have is more than just words on a page. it is different from senator sanders' willingness to ignore, dismiss, or attack the very democrats that we absolutely must send to capitol hill because we must send them there to keep nancy pelosi as speaker, to support judges who respect privacy and democracy and to send mitch mcconnell into retirement. let's listen to what they have telling us and support them. >> reminders voters what's at stake after falling to fourth place in the nevada caucuses today. sanders is now pulling ahead of him in the total delegate count. nevada was the first diverse contest in this election with a nearly 30% latino or latinx population. it begs the question how will buttigieg fare in the next contest? south carolina one week from tonight.

chief public affairs officer for move on forward. adrian he will recoelrod, forme advisor to the hillary clinton campaign. disadvantage of not being here in vegas with us, it strikes me, and i was saying to the ladies at the table, it strikes me as sort of odd as a note of inspiration, you know, get in there and scream for it. it is weird to hear pete buttigieg, who is running as the outsider, non-washington candidate, now make his sort of pitch, you know, let's make sure that we send the right politicians to washington. your thoughts? >> well, here is the thing, joy. it's do or die right now and he is trying to make that contrast with who is perceived right now or is, not even perceived, is the frontrunner, which is bernie sanders. here is the thing. i actually think like many of them have the electability argument. i don't think that's that. i think what he is doing is

tapping into a potential fear, right, or a fear that you hear from the establishment of the down ballot races. it's kind of funny hearing that from that kind of contrast that he is making or argument he is making against bernie because pete buttigieg is the same person that wrote an essay saying how great bernie was. we have to remember, when pete started this race, he started more of with a progressive voice and then he kind of flipped to this more moderate space trying to compete with biden. and so, i just want -- he needs to be very careful here because going to that kind of attack could hurt him and could not land very well. like i said, it's do or die. south carolina is next. he is not projected to do well. neither is amy because of the lack of support that they have from african-american communities and other diverse communities, and so he is trying to make that contrast, but it's going -- it's a tough one to make. >> jaw, yeah, it is difficult.

in fairness to pete buttigieg, there is a fair amount of terror among democrats in states like texas where they are trying to flip that state blue, in places like colorado, which is a swing state, places like arizona where democrats are trying to pick up a senate seat, in florida, people are saying, well, okay, the positive words about cuba, we're done here. so there is a fair amount of fear that sanders at the top of the ticket means doom below the ticket. >> yeah, you are starting to hear that, joy, now, from a lot of the candidates and from a lot of strategists. people are concerned. there is data that backs that up, that demonstrates that it will be a much more difficult time and task for some of these candidates, especially those seats that we won in 2018, those red to blue seats that we flipped, it's going to be that much harder. at this point with the data that we currently have. it's almost too late. we still got four candidates in that -- look, i keep saying the moderate wing with the party.

some are pretty progressive. those four candidates that are -- but they are all competing for essentially the same electorate. if they are not hitting 15%, it doesn't matter. you might as well be at zero right now. a lot of people are trying to really understand, you know, people are -- a lot of my friends still who live in super tuesday states are undecided trying to figure out who to vote for. at some point you have to sort of pick a horse. otherwise, you are going to keep a lot of these talented people under 15% and bernie is going to run away with more delegates, disproportionate to the amount of support he is getting. because he getting a larger share, he is obviously breaking 15% across the board. it will be that much harder to stop him. >> he would 30% his way all the way to the nomination. the thing about the modern democratic party is tlg no grand pooh-bah who can go to the amy klobuchars of the world or pete buttigieg and saying why don't you run for governor of indiana with all that money? and could move people tsh and everyone in their own mind in in

their ego believes they are one state away from taking this thing, you know, even when there has been no proof of concept among those two, klobuchar and buttigieg, to win african-american voters over. they have had a year to do it. they haven't been able to do it. there is no sign anyone's going to get out. >> i have people in my own family, my father, why can't the democrats get it together? >> yeah. >> right? it's like why don't they all get in a room? and, i mean, for all of the grief the democratic party gets about trying to control the process, nobody is in charge but the voters and the candidates and they make these decisions. pete, i saw pete, i have been following him the last couple of days, and he has been really good. he has been fiery. he has been like a little crabby. there is an edge to him. he is like everyone is talking about who can beat bernie sanders. i don't know, how about me, the guy who is beating bernie

sanders? but it was a good argument for him, which i think it's maybe better than going down like the technical route of down ballot, you know, arguments, but just so say i have -- you know, until today he could complain that he could say that he actually had done it. he was actually beating him. like pete buttigieg isn't going to get out. like he was ahead as of yesterday. amy klobuchar thinks she is on the rise. warren just raised $14 million, she thinks she is on the rise. biden may come second in this state. he thinks so, too. >> the problem for all of them is that winning in two overwhelmingly white states is telling you sort of the state of play of what white voters are sort of interested in. but the party itself is so dependent on voters of color that if you don't have proof of concept you can win them, your argument seems to be a lot weaker. the only ones who have some proof of concept of that really, you know, biden, bernie, and

just at least anecdotally people are interested in bloomberg and steyer. >> yeah, no, that's exactly right. well, bloomberg and steyer are spending billions of dollars -- not billions of dollars, but using their billions and spending hundreds of millions on air and being able to have that edge and get that name i.d. up and give some folks some interest as we've seen steyer doing in south carolina, which is, you know, in many ways has hurt biden and so we'll see what happens there. but, look, here's the problem when you look at pete buttigieg and amy. it's like you have got to do better with black voters. you have got to do better with the latinx community. like you said, joy, the base is diverse. and so i think that's why i get that pete is saying, hey, look at me, you know, i'm, you know, i am the one that's competing with sanders with delegates, but where is the support that extends outside of those two first very white states? that is just the reality of it.

and so that is why people are kind of hesitant because we're not seeing that. we're not seeing that from either of them. and when you think about biden, who has had this strong support from black voters and now what bernie is able to do in this state tonight, that's impressive and that's what we need in this contest, in this primary. >> yeah. absolutely. you know, there is also -- proof of concept, i have been saying it a lot. but for mayor pete, he did manage to sort of sweep -- there are sort of sem sei ties. where is the proof of concept? he has won a mayor's race in terms of his past performance. where is the proof that he could help down ballot? that's the problem. >> that is the problem. that is exactly the problem. we know that we've got proof at this moment that bernie sanders being at the top of the ticket

put some of these members of congress, the house in particular, and some of the senate races in jeopardy, but especially the members who won, flipped states red to blue in 2018. we don't have proof of concept that mayor pete can be the run, the most electable one to take on -- or the one who can beat bernie and take on trump. we don't have that proof of concept at any point. again, i understand that candidates right now, the next ten days are going to tell us so much. i understand that candidates are recalibrating their message, where do they fit in the process, especially if nobody drops out after nevada and if we still had the same makeup of the race going to super tuesday, which i think is a possibility nobody drops out before super tuesday. could be wrong, but probably not. they are figuring out their own way and rationale for remaining in the race. to say we've been talking about a lot today the more people who stay in this race on the

moderate side, the more -- the better bernie sanders is going to do. his 30% that he is getting right now in the overall party could actually grow to 50 to 55% in the actual delegate lead. >> absolutely. >> this is the other reason you never want to tacall yourself t other sort of new obama. a white candidate winning in majority white states is proof of nothing to black voters. it tells them nothing. and so if you don't start winning in diverse states, the reverse for mayor pete, the reverse for amy klobuchar. you don't have to prove to black voters you can win in iowa. barack obama was black. they were shocked that he won in iowa. and so that actually proved something significant. all that south carolina sees is a mostly white state picked mostly white guys. now bernie is winning a state that's diverse, it's a different message. we will keep you ladies around and we will talk with you in a moment. we are waiting on elizabeth warren. we are waiting for her to pop up on our screen doing her speech. stay up with us.

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she was expected to start speaking at 9:00 p.m. eastern, so we'll just keep on watching. we'll keep a look at it -- keep a look on it and we will jump over as soon as she appears. we are live in las vegas, however, with more coverage of the nevada caucuses and the projected winner, senator bernie sanders. my panel is back with me. we are the chatty crew. karine jean-pierre, adrienne elrod. i feel bad that you're not here with us, karine. well, we're going to talk with nina turner who is the campaign co-chair for senator sanders. what would you want to know from the campaign at this point? because there's been -- you know, today, senator sanders was trending with a text that said the republican establishment and the democratic establishment, here's a message to you. sort of a kind of, you know, sort of a negative kind of message at the two of them, including democrats. what do you -- what would you advise the sanders campaign to do if they are indeed the front-runner vis-a-vis the rest of the party? >> i think for me, the number one thing is we cannot re-litigate 2016.

we have to come out of that. and look at what's ahead in 2020. and the fight that's ahead. and so a message of unifying would -- is going to be key here. and it has to come from bernie sanders. it has to come from the guy that people, like you said, people follow and they're loyal to. i heard you say that earlier on in this hour. and so that is what i want to hear because we can't stay divided. we can't stay back in the past because donald trump is an existential threat and people know that, right? we look at polling after polling after polling. it tells us that people want to beat donald trump. but in order to do that, we need a coalition and we need to bring everyone together. so bernie, in this -- in this contest, he is showing, you know what, i'm expanding my base. he put an operation on the ground that was incredibly impressive. so now, how do you take it to the next step and have that conversation, have that real

message of unifying and bringing people together? >> yeah, but the challengek and for the ladies here at the table, i'll start with you, adrienne. if bernie sanders starts making noise towards his establishment. >> he may have this nomination locked up in the next few weeks so that is going to be the biggest challenge. not only being able to sort of moderate to, you know, being a formidable general election nominee. and i'm not saying that he couldn't be right now. but i am saying he will have some work to do, you know, more than likely in that regard. but also, to make sure that he is unifying the party. it's very important, you know, hillary clinton had to work hard to do that in 2016. and one of the things that we did, as you'll recall at the convention, is we had this big, unifying moment the first night of the convention. where, you know, we had, you know, the -- we had paul simon play. >> the first night of her -- >> yeah. and it's very important that the front-runner, the nominee, the

person who is likely to lead the party against donald trump do that because we -- bernie sanders' campaign knows that he will not win without hillary clinton's supporters and voters in 2016. and he will also, if he plays this right, he will be able to bring along a whole new sector of voters. the people who vote -- who were with him in 2016. some of them didn't vote in the 2016 general election. but he has brought a new group of people to the playing field in the party. so if he can keep the coalition together that hillary clinton built in the 2016 general election and then bring along these new people, he's going to be successful. but it's going to be on him, as karine just said, to do that. >> then-senator barack obama also ran as an outside candidate against the establishment that was sort of coalesced in advance around hillary clinton. he winds up getting the nomination. he had to do the same thing. so to talk a little bit about the tricky sort of act of trying to make that happen. >> how you put it -- >> nasty primary.

>> it was a -- 2008 was a pretty nasty primary. as a matter of fact, i watched south carolina debate between clinton and obama and it was comical how nasty it was. it was like -- it was like actually worse than pete and amy. and they managed to come back together. but the one, you know, cautionary note i would say is that even though they fought a lot, clinton and obama were not that far apart ideologically. and we have a bigger ideological rift here. so bringing, you know, what we found in '16 was trying to bring that together in philadelphia at our convention. even with senator sanders trying to help us do that and working with the staff behind the scenes, it was a really ruckus, rough couple of days. even with sanders supporting us, didn't want to let go. and so that's -- you know, it's -- it's a big piece of business to put that together. and i know people like faiz are worried about that. i know that is very much on his mind about how you keep the door

open to bring everybody together. >> absolutely. and, karine jean-pierre, you worked on the obama campaign in 2008. the other trick then-senator obama had to do was try to get young voters, who get really enthusiastic about a candidate. and got really passionate. you know, his speech yes we can became a hit song on youtube. and people were quoting along to this speech that was set to will.i.am. and so this is also the challenge for sanders is getting people -- they've done it now in this one state. how do you translate that passion among younger, 17 to 29-year-olds, into actual votes? >> yeah. i mean, what president obama, then-senator obama was able to do, he created this movement, right? this movement that inspired young people. that activated young people. and that he brought them along. he brought them along into -- into a movement that he made them believe could change their lives if we all did it together.

and he didn't do it just with young people. he did it with african-americans. he did it with latinos. i mean, he built this coalition. i mean, look, we're not going to get another barack obama. he is a once in a lifetime, once in our generation. so i am not saying you have to be barack obama. but there is -- like i think you said this earlier. like, having the mechanism and the passion and bringing that together. that is key in what we need to do in 2020. but i will say this, joy. i think -- i think if you look at 2018, if you look at young people and how they turned out in really high numbers in that midterm election, that is encouraging, right? and they did that then. we're hoping they'll do this in the primary and we'll get them back again in the general election. but i think there is some positive light. and i think this is why i was saying the unification, the unifying language is so, so important. because people are angry. people are ready. people are scared. now, you just have to bring everyone together.

and that's what the nominee is going to have to do. can they build that movement and bring people together? because it's going to take a movement to beat donald trump. >> well, and then here is the challenge. this is a double challenge, then, for senator sanders. it's one thing to have a regular order democrat, even if he is a black senator named barack obama. he is still a democrat. now, what you are talking about is trying to unify not just passionate young people who are open to socialism. but trying to unify them with people who are either terrified of socialism or deeply opposed to it. capitalists. people who say i don't want that. how do you do that? >> like my dad in arkansas. >> yeah. >> this is going to be incumbent on bernie sanders to make that -- to sort of make that argument and be able to build his coalition. but i also think you will see, if he is the nominee, we don't have a floor fight. even if we do have a floor fight and he is the nominee after the floor fight, i think you will see the party apparatus unite

behind him. president obama. first lady michelle obama. the clintons. you will see people who come together because they know how much is at stake. that we have got to make sure that we defeat donald trump. and that will help sort of normalize thing normalize things and maybe make feel a little better about this. but still, you're not going to change the fundamentals. there are a lot of people out there who do not support socialism. there are a lot of capitalists out there. and he is going to have to reconcile it and present it to voters who are on the fence and figure out how to bring that coalition together. >> you know, both of you do, that he would have to also do that fighting, a russian attack that will weaponize every piece of tape and weaponize is feed it over and over to your dad. he is going to have to do it against a donald trump that knows no bounds of law or propriety, will do anything to win, who's got foreign countries helping him. it's a lot more than just normal politics that he has to

accomplish. >> yeah. i mean, there is so many forces that you face in the -- you know, there's not -- there's not a domestic political scene anymore. it's a global political scene with, you know, foreign actors weighing in. and there's just so many layers of it. it really -- it's -- it does -- i mean, it actually is mi mind blowing. like, it takes a while to wrap your mind around all the aspects of it. the one thing he may be able to do, i think his supporters have a lot of faith in him. and trust him. so when he tries to reach out to the middle, which is something that he, you know, does. if sanders is the nominee, i think his base will probably give him the room to do it. i think -- i think they trust him enough. they believe in, you know, what do you hear senator sanders' supporters say all the time? he's been saying the same thing for 40 years. you know, that he's consistent. so he may find that his supporters will back him up no matter what he does. and that would make -- >> i'm going to interrupt you only because senator elizabeth warren is now taking the stage in seattle.

let's take a listen to her rally. hello, seattle. wow. i think seattle is ready for some big structural change. before we get started, i've got a word tonight for nevada. thank you for keeping me in the fight. the race has been called. bernie has won. congratulations, bernie. come on. but i want to tell you something else that's going on. since wednesday night -- [ cheers and applause ]

-- since wednesday night, our support has been growing everywhere. since -- since i stepped on that stage, a quarter of a million people have gone to elizabethwarren.com and pitched in their 25 bucks. in three days, people have contributed $9 million to this campaign. this fight is our fight. so join them. go to elizabethwarren.com. be part of this fight. that's how we're going to get this done. we have a lot of states to go. and right now, i can feel the momentum. so let's stay in this fight. you know, i -- because i'm here

in washington, i want to talk, specifically, for just a minute, at the top, about a threat. that is coming our way. and it's a big threat. not a tall one but a big one. michael bloomberg. now, this is -- this is important to pay attention to now. because he has skipped the first four states and he plans to come in on super tuesday and immediately afterwards, here in washington, drop hundreds of millions of dollars and buy this election. he argues that he is the safest bet to beat donald trump. he's not safe. he's just rich. and here's the problem. he is hiding his taxes.

he doesn't want you to see them until after the election. who knows what lurks there? he has a history now of harassing women. and of gender discrimination. and he has defended racist policies, like redlining and stop-and-frisk. so let's think about that. billionaire who hides his taxes. has a bad history with women, and defends racist policies. let me just put it this way. we're not substituting one arrogant billionaire for another in 2020. because here's the thing. michael bloomberg is not the safest candidate. michael bloomberg is the riskiest candidate for the democrats because he cannot win against donald trump.

this election is not for sale. we are going to make this election about democracy. about you. that's what this is about. so understand this. you bet why i am in this fight. now, look. i am not a lifelong politician. but i am a lifelong fighter. i come by it natural. i was born and raised in oklahoma. i have -- i have three much-older brothers. i learned early, fight for your place in a family like that. but i'm a kid who watched early on as our family had a lot of ups and downs. and when my daddy got sick and

we went a long, long time without money coming in, i watched when the family stati station wagon, we lost it. i listened to my mother cry at nights. and i remember when we were right on the edge of losing our home. but you know what i remember best about that? i remember the day i stood in the doorway and watched as my mother paced back and forth. she had her slip on, her stocking feet, best dress laid out on the bed. she was 50 years old. she'd never worked outside the home and she was terrified. but we were about on the edge of losing our house. and my mother stood there. she looked at me. she looked at that dress. she looked back at me. she walked over, pulled that dress on, and walked to the sears and got a minimum-wage job answering phones.

my mother saved our home. and, more importantly, she saved our family. she taught me how to fight from an early age. fight for the people you love. >> all right. that was elizabeth warren and she is speaking in seattle after today's nevada caucuses earlier tonight. we did have to interrupt vice president joe biden as he was addressing supporters and i promise you we will play his speech in its entirety at 11:15 p.m. standard time. tonight was really all about bernie sanders who had a decisive victory here in nevada. joining me now is nina turner, the national co-chair of bernie's campaign. and i have known nina quite a long time. so congratulations, first of all. >> thank you. >> this was a decisive victory. this was not like iowa and new hampshire where it was like a little bit of a tie, little bit of a win. this was a decisive win. >> absolutely. >> and, you know, i wanted to let that play just a little bit what senator warren was saying. because as i was thinking about,

you know, where this seemed to be going in terms of senator sanders doing so well here in nevada in a state with not only a lot of latin x, lot of black, but also a lot of hard-working, people who are low wealth. people who work for a little bit i have money. she talked about her mom having to save the family and go back to work. she tells this story that is really moving. >> very. >> and when we are living in a country where people are feeling such deep want and watching such exorbitant, ridiculous wealth on the other side of where they live, you get the kind of anger. you get the kind of rage. >> visceral. >> it's visceral that you see with the sanders campaign. is that the reason why he was able to perform so well here? >> senator is tapping into the real feelings and the real realities of everyday people in this country. far too often, we -- we judge the wealth and the health of this nation based on what's happening on wall street. but we lose sight of what's happening on main street. and it's not that this has been happening for five years, ten

years. this has been happening decade after decade after decade. and now, the pressure is on. and people are starting to say i jut can't take this anymore and is there a better way? and senator sanders is saying yes. >> he sorted formed a real movement around -- around this idea. and the -- why do you think it is so resonant in particular -- i'm going to look at these numbers again with -- with -- with latin x voters, it's overwhelming. it's 54% for sanders here. according to the entrance polls going into the vote today, for african-american voters, it's closer with biden. biden is slightly ahead because i think particularly older, african-american voters are really still connected to the former vice president because he was -- you know, he was barack obama's guy. so i think he is still hanging on to older voters. but younger, black voters are really with sanders. so you do have a working class base you are working with. >> you do. and that's the narrative, joy. that is the narrative. a working class narrative. and senator sanders was able to tap into that the first time around. i think his message was permeating in 2016.

now, people are marrying the man with the message. and not just to defeat president donald j. trump. but he has a vision that he is putting forward. >> i'm glad that you said that because i want to now talk -- you used to be a politician. you were a state senator when i met you. people used to mistake us for each other at the airport. and -- and so you know what politics is like. it's part passion. it's part mechanics. >> that's right. art and science. >> it's art and science. and the sanders campaign has the passion. no doubt about that. it is -- it is not a majority right now the democratic party. but it is -- it is a solid minority. it's enough to get -- probably get him a nomination. the mechanics of it are that you really need to win the 65 million people who won -- who voted for hillary clinton in 2016. and add about 100,000 more. even 78,000 more, you win. you flip three states but you win her base as a -- as a grounding point. senator sanders, sometimes, it does feel to people who are

outside of the movement, like the sanders movement is anti-democratic party. that it is not just anti-exorbitant wealth, anti- u anti-hunger, and that kind of thing but it is also anti-democratic party. i don't know if he tweeted or maybe a staffer that tweeted under his account. i've got news for republican establishment, i've got news for the democratic establishment. they can't stop us. that trended all day. who does the sanders campaign think the establishment is? who do they mean? >> the senator talks a lot about the elites of both parties. in other words, the people who hold the most political power, not just, you know, exorbitant wealth, but power, have an obligation to the people of this nation. >> but doesn't senator sanders hold power? he's been a senator for 30-plus years. >> yes, but he's also been the person hashtag receipts roll the tape, who has been consistently fighting on -- >> but would you argue with the idea that he is part of the

establishment? he is a united states senator, which is one of the most powerful jobs. there are only 100 of them. he is a wealthy man. so he has economic power. and he is a part of the -- even though he's not a democrat, he caucuses with the party. he is part of the establishment. why go after people who he needs? doesn't he want these people to vote for him? >> he -- listen. all across this country when we travel, people don't ask about whether or not you're a democrat or republican. they want to know whether you're going to stand up for them. inside the beltway, we have those kinds of conversations about who is a democrat and who's a republican. but as we can see from his wins and iowa, new hampshire, and now in nevada, people don't care whether or not you are that. >> and here is a problem. really quickly, i know i'm getting -- i want to talk to you just for a few more minutes. here is the challenge for a lot of people that are seeing senator sanders sort of the train coming down the station. if it is not important to senator sanders whether you are a democrat or republican, that does not say to me that he is going to register democratic

voters. that does not say to me that he is going to care whether democratic senators get elected or non-democratic senators get elected. >> i disagree with that, joy. he does care. he has an agenda. not only does he caucus with the democrats and have caucused the entire time he's been in the congress. he is a leader within the u.s. senate. go to the u.s. senate web page. >> as democrats. >> that's what we're doing right now. expanding the base. >> don't leave. stay with me. we have to go back to a little bit more of senator warren. let's listen to that. don't go. >> we got a lot that we need to get done. it is time for a wealth tax in america. [ cheers and applause ]

it is time to take on the fight against climate change. we need a green new deal and a blue new deal. it is time to take on gun violence in this country. and it is time to create a pathway to citizenship for all of our people. these are fundamental, fundamental values that all progressives support. but the question has to be, not just what we fight for but, what is our plan to get it done?

there is no magic wand here. this is going to be about hard work. but it's also going to be about having a strategy. and here's a difference. people ask me about differences between bernie and me. i want to point out one big one. and, that is, you want to get something done, bernie says we're going to keep the filibuster. i say mitch mcconnell is not going to get a veto over what we want to do. yep. yep. look at it this way. if we keep the filibuster, everything we need to get done has to pass a 60-vote threshold. that gives a veto to mitch mcconnell, to the republicans, to the gun industry, to the oil

industry, to the billionaires. i say we go to washington to do the people's business. if mitch mcconnell gets in the way, get rid of the filibuster and let's go. because understand this. i'm not in this fight to talk about change. i am in this fight to make change. okay. i am still here with nina turner, who is the national co-chair of the bernie sanders campaign. that of course was elizabeth warren. she was in seattle, washington, giving a speech to her supporters. and she is staying in this fight. obviously, one of the things that senator warren was able to

do in the -- in the debate. the debate we just saw. the nbc debate. was to just disembowel michael bloomberg. but he's still out there. what -- what is the campaign's thoughts about how much of a threat he might be going forward once he's actually playing on the ballot? >> well, he has the money to. and i agree with senator warren. i've been saying this over and over again. that we cannot allow -- and i mean the collective we, not how you roll in terms of your party. but let's look at ourselves as a representative democracy. do we want billionaires to be able to buy elections? and that is exactly what michael bloomberg is doing. he did say don't worry about iowa. don't worry about new hampshire. had the nerve to get on the stage in nevada. not even on the ballot in nevada. it is wrong for our democracy, and we do need true campaign finance reform. what we are going to do is continue to roll with the people. we will have enough money to compete.

>> atm machine called the movement. talk to, now, democrats who are panicking right now. and you know, as well as i know, you know as many democrats as i do that are saying, oh my god, we can't align ourselves with a socialist. we're going to lose. we're going to lose to trump and we're going lose the house. we're not going to get the senate. >> he's not a socialist. he is a democratic socialist. there is a difference. government of the people, by the people, and for the people. he is an fdr democrat. >> why wouldn't he call himself that? could he call himself that? >> he -- he -- democratic socialist and you know, and i know, the senator is a man of integrity. so he's not just going to change because people want to make -- >> brand name. right. >> so fdr, you know, in 1944, fdr put forward the economic bill of rights. senator sanders has taken that as a foundation sw expandand ex. what has he put there? immigration reform. true criminal justice reform. making sure we have a green new deal. dealing with a legal system that is unjust, as you and i know.

that is very much racialized where black and brown people and indigenous people suffer disproportionately. he has expanded that. so he is an fdr -- >> is he going to -- do you believe that down-ballot democrats, i'm thinking about those 40 house seats that were flipped by democrats, are they going to want to run with senator sanders by their side? >> yes, i would hope so because what the people in these states so far are saying, that senator bernie sanders is the one that will change their material conditions. and if we all roll the same way, democrats will be able to sweep that congress and do something mighty for the people of this nation. >> are you concerned we now know russia is back at it? they are coming into our congressional races. they're trying to help donald trumpet. they' trump. they also are playing a game with the sanders campaign. the idea is to make sanders voters disaffected. stay home if he is not the nominee or even if he is the

nominee, to use whatever they can dig up against him. is the campaign prepared for the praise of cuba stuff? the praise of ussr stuff? that's coming from trump or from russia. >> well, we know that who benefits the most from this and who loses the most, american people lose because distention and tension that russia sbilding up in our electorate per usual. but who wins is president donald j. trump. he wins when there is distention and tension in this race. this lays directly at his feet. as you know, the house passed hr1, which had elections in it for election protection and security. and mitch mcconnell and his senate will not pass. and senator sanders been very clear. putin don't play these games with me because under my watch, i won't tolerate it. >> and does senator sanders want hillary clinton's support and her supporters? >> senator sanders wants all supporters. but the question becomes, joy, is whether or not secretary clinton wants to support senator

sanders. not the other way around. >> there is a take-the-knee vibe that people really reject as democrats. the idea that they're just going to take the knee to this movement that is not led by a democrat. there has to be some conciliation both ways. >> listen. i don't see it as a take thee. i see it as take this country back from the worst president in modern history. and i would hope that secretary clinton and senator sanders could come together on that. >> nina turner. >> yes. >> my friend, thank you very much. it's always good to see you. thank you so much for being here. and i think we're going to take a quick break. nina turner, thank you very much. we got to let her go off to the victory party. i'm sure they are going to have a great one here tonight. but the south carolina primary, that is coming up. just a week away if you can believe that. i will talk with tom steyer about the make-or-break investment that he is making in the palm meadow state.

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of nevada. with now 23% of the vote in, bernie sanders, tonight's declared winner has 46% of the votes in the nevada caucuses. and stay with us. we have much more p.m. joy coming to you live from las vegas.

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there is an inside group in the democratic party in washington, d.c. and the last thing that they want to see is a bunch of ragtag people from nevada taking over the democratic party in the country. and i have been saying all along, we're going to take the power back and send it out to the people of the united states. this is our one chance. >> as big as bernie's win was tonight, there was one thing that is still bigger. and that is tom steyer's money. steyer's personal fortune has lined his campaign coffers to such an extent that he's been able to stay in the rice despite me mediocre showings. in south carolina, showing steyer does have some momentum there. but is it enough to overcome bernie sanders' lead? i'll ask him right now. >> hey, joy, nice to see you. >> nice to see you too.

approximately how much money have you spent so far on your race? >> honest to god, joy, i'm not sure. >> but it's more than a few million. >> yes. >> and let's see what happens tonight. >> okay. it doesn't look likely. our nbc news projections don't make it appear likely. you are a businessman. do you say this investment is no longer viable. i'm getting out. >> look, let's -- i think i'm going to do better than you think i'm going to do in nevada. i think i'm going to do well in south carolina. i think we are just starting to get to the diverse part of the electorate. i think i'm going to do a lot better with black people, latinos, asian-americans, native americans. so i'm sitting here thinking, you know what, we're just starting to get going. we're going to have a really good next week in south carolina and then we are going to hit super tuesday. >> let me show you a couple polls. the first one is a poll from february 9th through 19. shows joe biden, who's been at the top of a lot of these races when it comes to places with a lot of particularly afric african-americans. bernie sanders is second. you are third at the moment. twice as many as pete buttigieg

and then goes down from there. among african vote americ-ameri you are again at third at 15%. here's the thing. you have bernie sanders and you have everybody else. if everybody else says in and everyone else refuses to get out, at a certain point, there is no way to stop bernie sanders from being the nominee. by staying in the rice, are yourse people like yourself, people like mayor pete, people like amy klobuchar, people who are not proving to be able to win outright in one of these elections. i mean, you are pulling third right now. aren't you just ensuring senator sanders is the nominee? >> look, if i don't think i can win, joy, i won't keep going. i think i can do really well in south carolina. >> okay. >> i think i can do really well going forward. i -- i do. and if i didn't think that, i wouldn't keep going. and the minute i don't think that, i'll stop. >> okay. and for you, is south carolina that point where you start to re-evaluate? >> south carolina is a really important state. no question. >> i think a lot of people, when i hear people talk about you,

first of all, they see your ads. they like the fact that you are talking very openly about issues that face black voters. but they also say to themselves, boy, wouldn't that money have been better spent in a lot of ways? trying to help one of the other nominees, who is more viable at least in the polls. or trying to put that money into senate races? what do you say to people who say that? >> i say i am also doing that, joy. i have started one of the biggest grassroots organizations in the united states. next-gen america. next-gen did the biggest youth voter mobilization. without me supporting it right now. so for everybody who says you should be doing grassroots voter mobilization. it's like actually i'm the person who is doing the most grassroots voter mobilization in america. and people say you should be knocking on doors. it's like, well, actually, we've knocked on 25 million doors in the last two cycles and we're doing that too. so it's kind of like, well, all the things that people think i should be doing, i am doing. >> i'm getting all the elephants

in the room. even though this is the democratic party. but i am going to do all the elephants. >> the donkeys in the room. >> okay. the other donkey in the room for a lot of people is in south carolina, there is a sense that -- bloomberg, too -- that you are using your money to sort of -- you know, and i think it's unfair to say that people are bought off to be on someone's campaign but they are saying let me give this local politician a lot of money, whether or not they really believe in my platform. that's a perception some people have in south carolina. >> look. some people have said that and the legislative black caucus has come out and said that's racist. in fact, what we know from doing grassroots organizing for over a decade is if you want to organize in the community, if you are asking a professional person to take their time and professionally work for the campaign and go into the community, you have to pay them. one of the things you should know, joy, we are the biggest youth voter mobilization in the united states. we pay the kids. they are working 20 hours a week. >> oh, you got to pay on a

campaign. >> but i'm just saying if you don't pay those kids, they have to work in the dining hall and then you get kids who don't need to be paid. i think it's actually unfair to say you have people who are working in the african-american community who should work for free when they're doing a job. you know, i think that's what the legislative black caucus came out and said. that's a racist thing to say. >> the third -- the third donkey in the room is they ask themselves, you know, this guy started running this need to impeach campaign. couple years -- maybe a year -- >> october of 2017. >> of 2017. and they said maybe he just did that so he could run for president. >> let me say this, joy. over ten years ago, i started running campaigns on climate. over ten years ago, i was fighting oil companies to stand up for green energy. i have been fighting tobacco companies to get them to pay their fair share of healthcare costs in california to the tune of 3 or $4 billion. i closed a billion-dollar tax loophole, corporate tax loophole and gave it to the public

schools. i have a record for 35 years of standing up for people and fighting corporations. so let me just say, standing up against the most corrupt president in the united states of america, doing what's right, all of a sudden has to be self-serving? no. what i saw was a political class that refused to stand up against the most corrupt president in america. that needed 8 1/2 million americans to explain the difference between political tactics and right and wrong. so i -- i -- if you will excuse my saying so, what i think is going on is i have a history over 35 years of fighting for what's right, whatever it takes. and if it means i have to give my time, fine. if i have to put all my energy, fine. if i have to spend a bunch of money, fine because i actually care about the outcomes. in fact, if you look at what i have stood up for, i've been right every single time. and i have been standing up for the people against the corporations for 35 years. >> squuand you have been able t

that because you have the -- to be able to do it. >> that's not fair. i put in my time and effort, too. >> i get it. and there is a long history of affluent americans, you know, going back to fdr who did a lot to help a lot of people. even though he was a very wealthy man. in and of itself -- you know, i'm a capitalist. i believe that people should be able to do well and it is a good thing for people to be philanthropists. however, the argument that the sanders sort of world is making is that we live in a country where there are billionaires, there are people like yourself. and there are people who can't even afford their insulin and that the gap between them has gotten wider and wider and wider and wider. wait a minute. and their argument is that if somebody can bypass -- you are one of the largest democratic donors, if not the biggest donor. if you can go from being the donor to being candidate, we may never be able to have a non-billionaire president ever again. billionaires are saying i'm going to bypass consultants.

>> here's what i would say, joy. i have ten years of beating corporations and i have never lost. i believe that, in fact, the example you are using shows corporations own the american government. so if you believe corporations have bought the government, which is actually what's happened, not the millionaires and billionaires. the corporations. if you believe that, and i know it's true and i think everybody in america really knows it's true. you have to ask who is going to take them out? someone who has won every single time in fights against them. in big, public fights. or somebody who is from washington, d.c., who is a cl r career politician who actually is part of the system. i am argue very strenuously if you want to beat those corporations, then get somebody from the grassroots who's taken them on for a decade and never lost. who is an outsider who the political doesn't want to see but has actually taken on the president, who's taken on the corporations, who is willing to tell the truth no matter what. >> do you think there should be a wealth tax on people like yourself? >> i proposed it a year and a

half ago. i think there should a wealth tax. i would take away all the tax giveaways. and i believe that we should treat investment income exactly on the same scale as earned income. and i have a tax cut for anybody who makes less than $250,000. i have been saying this for a long time. >> i think it would take 64,000 of you to make a michael bloomberg. so you're not as exorbitant a billionaire as he is. however, michael bloomberg has said if he is not the nominee, he'll spend a billion or more, whatever it takes, in order to beat donald trump if he's not the nominee. are you willing to say the same thing? >> listen. i've been doing stuff on this for years and decades. no, am i going to do what michael bloomberg says? no. i'm not going to be bound by whatever michael bloomberg said. i've been doing the right thing for a long time. you know, i don't have any questions about whether, in fact, i'm standing up for what's right. i know i'm standing up for what's right. if you ask me am i going to continue to be all in for the fight for social, racial, and economic justice? of course, i am. i'm the person in this -- the

only person running for president who says that climate's the number one priority. and i'll do it from the standpoint of environmental justice. other people can say it. i've done it for more than a decade. >> so you will keep spending on this race even if you are not the nominee? what if it's bernie sanders? >> i'm not one of the people who is saying anybody but bernie. i've said repeatedly i'm not in that camp. i am supporting whoever the democrat is period. everybody on this stage is a million times better than the crook in the white house. >> are you going to get on the next debate stage? z >> yes. >> do you think you will have enough polls to get on? >> what would you say if elizabeth warren made the argument to you that just the existence of billionaires and if bernie sanders made the argument is proof that the system is failing in the united states? >> what would i say to that? >> yeah. >> baloney. look. we have the most competitive, hardworking, ambitious people in the world. do i think i'd change the tax code? i just told you i'd change it in every single way.

would i double the minimum wage? i absolutely would. would i rebuild the union movement in every way i could? absolutely. do i think that income inequality is unjust and unamerican? absolutely. do i think the wealth inequality and unjust? ridiculously so. but am i going to tell a 12-year-old kid that he or she has a limit on what they can make? heck no. we are the most ambitious country in the world. i'm not going to tell little kids you can't succeed. everyone in this country wants to succeed and i say go get 'em. >> tom steyer, good luck. we are waiting for final results to come in. good luck to you. more a.m. joy -- "p.m. joy," sorry, i got the wrong time of day because i've been awake so long. more of this live from las vegas next. that is amazing.

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we are better and stronger and more human when we reach out with compassion. when we understand that we are in this together. that every family here, every family in america, has its problems. and that we are strong when we stand together. when my family cares about your family. when your family cares about my family. that is the kind of america. >> it has been a big night for bernie sanders here in nevada as he claims a decisive victory in the caucuses in this state.

let's get some final thoughts from our panel. joining me now is senior advisor to hillary clinton's campaign, adrienne elrod. former white house communications director for the obama administration, jennifer, and anton gunn, former state representative from south carolina. he is also the author of the book "the presidential principles." uh-oh, you got a book. that means you have to answer all the questions for us, anton. senator sanders has had a big win here in nevada. can he win south carolina? >> well, that remains to be seen. and let me tell you why i think it's important for us to just kind of pump the braikes a litte bit. i mean, we only have had three races so far. the first four states are only 4% of the total delegate count. and what i am excited about, that i believe that the primary will start in south carolina. the whole process will start in south carolina because this is the first state we have an open primary where more -- most of the electorate will be diverse. i mean, we have a million nonwhite registered voters in

south carolina. so whoever does well here in south carolina, puts themself in the best position to do well on super tuesday, which we all know is a very important day for us to allocate a lot of these delegates. so i think senator sanders has done well in nevada and, you know, buttigieg has done well in -- in iowa. so we have had a lot of -- a mixed bag. but, again, i think we should just pump the brakes a little bit in crowning people the nominee because there is a long road ahead. and it really starts here in south carolina. >> and i think that's fair. i, in the past, have called south carolina the campaign killer because you -- you think you're doing great until you get down there and the church ladies just clobber you and then it's all of a sudden over. you know, and i want to just ask you about the -- the sort of demographics of that vote. it's about 60%, we know, african-american at least from past experience. but inside of that cohort, how much of that is under 30? because with senator sanders, what he's been able to do is carve out the under 30

african-american vote, along with the young, latino vote, which is a young vote anyway overall. but that vote has not, at least in my past experience, come out in huge numbers on election day to vote. how much of that electorate do you expect to be under 30 and african-american? >> so i think it'll be kind of similar representative to what you have seen. this is what we know. south carolina voters skew older. they're more likely, the base of the democratic party. they show up every election. don't miss an election. don't take time off. it doesn't matter what's going on. these voters will always vote. you'll have your young people vote but it won't be the majority of the electorate. we all know that in south carolina, black women rule the day. and i think black women, 35 to 50, is going to rule the day on the electorate. so whoever can win that demographic, i think puts themself in the best chance. and if you look at where the candidates are in the race right now, you know, joe biden, who enjoyed a whole lot of early support. i really believe that tom steyer, in his grassroots

efforts in the state, has taken away a lot of the base of support joe biden had started off with. so we'll see some different outcomes, i believe, in south carolina than we've seen in other places. and it'll give us the opportunity to really see how a nominee might play to the most diverse primary electorate thus far in the race process. and so i think we should all just be excited about it. get your popcorn ready. everybody needs to focus on south carolina because this will be the door to the nomination process. that's my belief. >> anton, you can't pump the brakes and eat popcorn. that is not a safe way to drive. i'm going to come back to the ladies at the table of the but i take your point. there is a possibility. and i thought this, too. i'll start with you, adrienne. that you could see older, african-american, women voters. the church hat wearing voters, stop this whole thing cold. you just don't know what is going to happen. >> you don't know what's going to happen. and i'm glad that anton reminded all of us that i think it's about 4 and a half percent of

the entire delegates are awarded in the first four states. so we are still -- i think one of the reasons we're projecting bernie sanders could be the nominee is there are so many other candidates women, black women have in the past decided who the nominee is. >> yeah. >> and if they come out in full support for joe biden, tom steyer, you know, perhaps bernie sanders even, i mean they're going to have a major, major sway in that election. of course jennifer and i remember very distinctly four years ago in nevada when we -- i mean we were kind of surprised that we won nevada. >> yeah. >> because it is a caucus, and bernie does well in caucuses, so we were really excited about that. and that moment rode us into south carolina where we had a resounding victory. it injected lifeblood back into our campaign after iowa and new hampshire, a poor performance in new hampshire. we have been talking a lot today about bernie sanders, but we still have states in front of us that are going to be

determinative in this process. >> i wonder you guys went through the -- i was just there to observe it as a journalist, but the convention was a lot -- the 2016 convention was a lot of anger. there's still a lot of anger over it. i wonder what happens if older voters, particularly african-american voters, do what they did in 2016 which is to tell the sanders movement, no, we're not doing that. we're going to go with the safe candidate we know, and in this case that would be like a biden, or i've increasing seen black women say, i only feel safe having bloomberg be the nominee. >> i'm already deep breath. >> yeah, deep breaths. what could happen? >> i feel like it's going to be the '16 convention is child's play compared to what could unfold in milwaukee for sure. and, you know, i don't know. every candidate on the debate the other night, chuck todd asked them that question. if the candidate goes into

milwaukee and has a plurality of delegates but not 1991, the magic number, should they become the nominee? and each person besides bernie said no. that meant everybody is saying we're going all the way to milwaukee. i'm holding on to my delegates. and, you know, that is -- i mean those are the rules. the rules are that it does not get decided until the convention. you have to have 1,991. then if you go to a second ballot, it goes from there. once super delegates start to vote. so it could happen. it would be a very unfortunate thing, i think, to have that kind of convention. and anything can happen, and south carolina is a very interesting state. it's -- you know, it kind of -- its politics are pretty isolated, you know. it like keeps its own counsel. it's definitely its own thing. it will pay attention to what happened in nevada, but you have to earn your support there.

so i think it's very unpredictable. i think sanders could win it. i think biden could win it. but then -- but super tuesday is three days away. >> it's right afterwards. >> i'm not sure in the end how much south carolina may indicate to us what's going to happen on super tuesday. >> yeah. >> but you're not going to be able to get a lot of momentum out of it. >> and you have to win it to get any money to go on. anton, i don't know if you had a chance to listen to or hear my interview with nina turner, who is also a former state legislator. she was a form state senator in ohio. and, you know, she was trying to make the case that there could be unity even if people don't necessarily agree with democratic socialism around sort of an fdr agenda that down-ballot candidates could still embrace even if they reject the idea of socialism in and of itself. how did that ring to you, and do you believe that there is a potentially unifying message that the sanders campaign could put forward that people would

believe, that black voters will believe, that south carolinians will believe? >> joy, you raised the most important point i've been thinking about is what does a nominee mean for down-ballot races. i'm in charleston county where i live. we're five seats away from taking back the state senate. so if i'm a state senate candidate in south carolina, i'm asking the question, who do i want to be at the top of the ticket? who has a unifying message that can help me reach persuadable voters, moderate voters, voters who i'm going to need to actually win so we can actually have some democratic representation in the state senate, some control there? so the question is, is what you asked nina, is there a unifying message? i know i haven't heard it yet. not saying that it's not going to be there, but i haven't heard it yet. and what i've heard is kind of concerning to a lot of voters in south carolina. it's not necessarily off the table, but people are concerned about what's going to be the case for down-ballot races in charleston county right here where it matters more. to the point i heard earlier about super tuesday, south carolina will be a window into super tuesday, but we know

there's an "x" factor out there in super tuesday, and his name is michael bloomberg. he's spent like $169 million in super tuesday states. bernie sanders has spent about $40 million, and joe biden has yet to spend anything. so we'll have a window, but i think this is a long primary process. we may not have the nominee until it's over because the south is going to matter. all of these four states, virginia, tennessee, et cetera, the south has something to say to paraphrase my man andre 3,000 from outcast. the south will have something to say about who is the democratic nominee. >> score for quote ing andre 3,000. who among these candidates -- you can name more than one -- when you talk with state reps and state senators, who would they like to see at the top of the ticket? who would make them feel comfortable? >> i would say i've talked to ten different people. some of them are with biden. they're very strong on joe biden because they believe he's our

best chance to beat donald trump. and, again, i want us to take us back to that point, is that the focus for south carolina voters is beating donald trump. the issues matter, but they don't matter as much as beating donald trump. so that's where the conversation starts. there are people who are also excited about tom steyer because tom steyer has invested in the state. he has a really good heart and has shown his commitment to grassroots people and understanding the issues that matter to us. so you've got biden. you've got steyer. you've got buttigieg, who's gaining ground with a lot of younger electorates. bernie has his tried and true supporters as well. the thing i want to go back to, about people getting paid to work on campaigns and people being bought, nobody is being bought in south carolina. people work for a living. we have a part-time legislature. people have consulting practices outside of what they do, and bernie has spent money with elected officials. so has tom steyer. so has all of them. the point is this is not really a big deal to focus on, but these are people who work hard, who want to make a difference in grassroots politics, and we

should afford them that opportunity to do so. >> it takes a lot of time working on campaigns. it's exhausting. it's draining. it is actual work, and i think that's very fair. it's a question people were asking out there, and i think it's really important that you answered it in the way you did. my panel, you guys are great. thank you all very much. come back often on the a.m. show too. coming up next, my colleague ali velshi brings you much more coverage of the nevada caucuses live from las vegas. ♪

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