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and elizabeth warren making up the fourth position. the nevada democratic primary is currently allocating 13 national delegates to senator sanders. none so far to any other candidates. that means sanders has now jumped buttigieg in the overall delegate count and now leads by double digits. here's how sanders and the other top tier candidates reacted to the results in nevada earlier. >> i think all of you know we won the popular vote in iowa we won the new hampshire primary. and according to three networks and the a.p., we have now won the nevada caucus. >> to those who questioned whether a midwestern mayor could gather a national movement around a new kind of politics, you are the answer.

ours is the only campaign that has beaten senator sanders anywhere in the country during this campaign session. >> now we're going on to south carolina and win, and we're going to take this back. >> you know, the press is ready to declare people dead quickly, but we're alive, and we're coming back, and we're going to win. >> before we get started, i've got a word tonight for nevada. thank you for keeping me in the fight. we have a lot of states to go, and right now i can feel the momentum. so let's stay in this fight. >> with me here in las vegas is nbc news political reporter vaughn hillyard, national political correspondent for politico natasha korecki.

national correspondent for new york magazine gabe ben debty. and maria teresa kumar. and in miami, the executive director and ceo of mee familia vo ta, hector sanchez barba. thanks to all of you for being with me right now. vaughn hillyard, let me start with you. you've been mostly covering the buttigieg campaign, and i thought that was interesting to hear from pete buttigieg. he's talking about the fact he's the only person so far who's been able to best bernie sanders in any of these races so far. but he's a very, very distant third at this point. >> let's take into account, though, ali, we have 23% of the results that have come in so far. and the buttigieg campaign is pushing back, saying that there's potential they could get even second place or close to second place. when you're looking at the results that have come in, you know, we're at the point in this race where you have to decide who is going to be taking this mantle heading into super tuesday. they said we came in the top two in iowa. we came in the top two in new hampshire. potentially coming in the top two or three here out of nevada.

it gets to that point where the rest of these candidates, amy klobuchar, elizabeth warren, sure, you can have millions of dollars coming into your campaign after a debate performance. but i was talking with buttigieg earlier today. i said what do the next ten days look like? he said there's a good chance we wake up ten days from now and you have bernie sanders in the position where he has a delegate lead that is insurmountable. so it's not even going to be a question for perhaps joe biden and elizabeth warren and amy klobuchar, depending on how these results come out today and south carolina, it could be a question for him. does he go to super tuesday himself? >> maria, what's your take on what you saw happen today? that is a commanding laead. we've got 23%, 24% of the vote in. we'll get a better sense of who's in second place and whether bernie sanders is able to maintain this lead he's got. given what you know now, what does it make you think? >> the fact that for the very first time, ali, this is going to be the very first time

latinos surpass african-american voters in total potential. they are coming out in force. they came out in new hampshire. they came out in iowa. they were a small piece of the population but they did just that. in nevada, they surged. they actually surged. what's interesting is that it's also showing the influence of young latino voters among the household. when bernie sanders was going up with hillary clinton, it was the lincoln -- excuse me -- it was the clinton legacy. people knew who she was, who her husband was, the older latino voter was. now when they look at a ballot, they really don't know the candidates but they know bernie because they knew him from the last four years. and you have four more million latinos coming of age than the last election. they are uinfluencing not just their mothers but their aunts, uncles, grandmothers. i would urge folks to consider what's going to happen in super tuesday because they have a tendency of being much more liberal in the coasts, in the nevadas of the world. how are they going to influence their families in texas, in florida? i think that's where the contest becomes open for folks more on

the conservative side, especially in florida. >> natasha, elizabeth warren says thank you for keeping me in the fight. she's running at the moment a distant fourth, and what the entrance polling told us is of the people who made their decision in the last few days, there wasn't some surge toward elizabeth warren. now, most people agree that her performance in the debate was remarkably strong. she saw a fund-raising surge on the back of that. somehow it didn't materialize into a strong performance for her here. >> right. you know, it's getting a lot more difficult for elizabeth warren at this point. she had to do well in nevada in order to convince the rest of the democratic electorate that she could win over some minorities and that she was a coalition builder. she needed to do well in iowa. she didn't. new hampshire, same thing. so now we're going third state in a row. she does have an influx of money as you said, but it's becoming more and more difficult. and of this, you know, crew

that's left so far, aside from amy klobuchar, i think elizabeth warren's going to be really rethinking things before super tuesday because she does not want to be beaten in her own state of massachusetts. >> right. >> that would be a huge embarrassment for her. so she has to do really well in south carolina. she has money. if she has another really good debate, we saw she came out punching at bloomberg tonight. >> right. there is another debate next week. one assumes michael bloomberg is going to be better prepared for it than he was for last week. but elizabeth warren did show us in last week's debate something that you've probably seen from her before but you hadn't seen in the debate environment, that she can command that stage entirely. >> after the previous debate, the one leading up to the new hampshire vote, she had said afterwards, i wish that i had come out and done that kind of thing -- >> the friday night before the new hampshire. >> precisely. you saw that here. her distan for michael bloomberg -- in order to have this rejuvenation, she had to be

the attack dog. she did it in seattle. when she said thank you for keeping me in this fight, she's referring to the influx of money and the fact there's attention on her now after this debate that happened right here on the strip, which gave her the ability to say to the electorate, i'm not necessarily just the bernie sanders alternative. i'm trying to unite the rest of the party. obviously, you know, the fact that she came in this distant fourth today so far does not really giver her a lot of everyone encouragement. i think she's going to be thinking hard about what her next steps are. i would caution the idea she's looking for an exit ramp yet. >> she remains, vaughn, in the top tier of candidates at the moment. the second tier, the tier after that, they've really got to be thinking hard. amy klobuchar now, who sort of saved her campaign in new hampshire, and it didn't materialize here. tom steyer, who i spoke to this morning, thought he was going to have a strong showing in iowa. he believes he's going to have a strong showing in south

carolina. but we've got to see how that goes. tulsi gabbard is still in this race. >> tulsi gabbard is still in this race. i think the big question also is the fact of what kind of finances are these folks running at this point? when you're looking at michael bloomberg, i think i said it earlier these guys are playing penny slots while michael bloomberg is coming in to the high roller's table here. just in the month of january, michael bloomberg spent 15 times what pete buttigieg did. elizabeth warren just announced today that she's going to go on tv in some super tuesday states. pete buttigieg, who came in second or third tonight, has still yet to put up a tv ad in any of these super tuesday states. i don't know how an amy klobuchar is able to keep up. yes, elizabeth warren brings in influx of money but when you're dealing with the reality of michael bloomberg in this, folks are turning to him because they know -- >> and i remind everybody while looking at the screen, michael bloomberg is not on that screen because michael bloomberg was not in the primary.

that was his choice to not be part of this primary in nevada. so what you're looking at there is the delegates that have been assigned so far. 36 delegates. of the 36 delegates, a number are going to bernie sanders. no one has been marked as receiving any other delegates in that race. it's not that we won't. it's that we only have 27% of the vote in. now, let's talk about the sanders campaign. a very, very, very big day. 47% of the vote so far. let's go to shaquille brewster standing by for us in san antonio, texas, where the campaign has gone. shaquille, what's the situation where you are? >> reporter: well, senator sanders was very excited today, i can tell you. he was speaking to about 5,000 people in an old san antonio dance hall, and he was very excited. the crowd was roaring. you can get a hint of why he's so excited. one thing that stuck out from his speech is when he said we put together a multi-generational and multi-racial coalition that's

not only going to win in nevada, which he did win, but will sweep across the country because when you look at those entrance polls, it's clear there's hints of this early coalition forming. he won 53% of latino voters, 44% of all non-white voters. among moderates, he was competing for first place among moderates who caucused with the democrats in this situation. so this campaign feels really good, and just look at where senator sanders has been going so far. we saw him on friday, the eve of the nevada caucuses. he was in california. there's about 5 million non-party or no-party preference voters in there, people who are independents effectively, who the campaign has been targeting heavily. he's in texas today. we talked about his support among latino voters. he was in el paso, texas, and san antonio, texas. el paso, texas, about 80% latino. san antonio, about 60% latino. so you see who this campaign is targeting very heavily. on the flip side, though, you can also see some incoming fire, and that incoming fire increasing from some other campaigns.

it was mayor pete buttigieg, as vaughn was describing, who went after senator sanders for about six minutes in his speech. you saw elizabeth warren also mention senator sanders by name in her speech. mayor bloomberg, vice president biden going after him in these closing days before the nevada caucuses, talking about his records on guns. if you ask the sanders campaign, they're also receiving incoming fire from the trump administration. they're not happy about that report that leaked out saying that his campaign got that briefing, saying that russia was trying to interfere and help him in the election. this campaign feels good but they also know they have some troubled waters ahead with some incoming fire as people see the seriousness of this campaign. ali? >> yeah. there's a school of thought that would suggest that the front-runner, bernie sanders, didn't take the fire that you might have expected him to take on wednesday night because it was all directed at michael bloomberg. hector sanchez barba in miami, the pie chart that we just put up that showed the entrance polls and where the hispanic vote went, overwhelmingly 51% to

bernie sanders. if you added up all the rest of it, it didn't add up to how much of the hispanic vote went to bernie sanders. talk to me about that. >> yeah. i think that because the story of nevada is that this is not rocket science. we have been telling the campaigns for a very long time what they have to do with the latino community, and they take us for granted. they don't do investment. they don't hire latinos. they don't buy ads in spanish, et cetera. the sanders campaign is doing the basic. he hired latino, almost 30% of his staff in nevada is latino, which is representative of the community in the state. he has been buying ads in spanish. he has been canvassing in spanish. so it's not rocket science, and we have been saying this to all the differing campaigns. historically there hasn't been investment in our communities and we have been taken for granted. also when it comes to issues, sanders has been talking to a lot of issues that are so

critical for our community. mostly working class families. he's been talking about free college for all. he's been talking about medicare for all, which by the way polls at 80% support in the latino community. obviously the green deal, which is the environmental issues are so central and so critical for our community. so this is a message for all the candidates. pay attention to our community and don't take us for granted because the latino vote is the way to the white house, and we're going to see that in super tuesday. in super tuesday, four states are very important -- texas, california, colorado. that could be the election right there. so the message is clear. wake up, democratic party. invest in the latino community, and you can defeat trump. >> thank you for that, hector. thanks to my panel. stand by.

meanwhile as the numbers stand right now, joe biden is well back of bernie sanders in nevada, but he is still in second place. and if that stays that way with the numbers that we've seen so far -- and we only have 27% in -- but if those numbers stay in roughly the proportions they're in, this would be joe biden's best finish yet. here's biden addressing supporters here in las vegas earlier. >> you all did it for me. you all did it. now we're going on to south carolina and win, and then we're going to take this back. i want to thank everyone who caucused for us, but i particularly want to thank the precinct captains, all our volunteers that are here. all the people that made all those phone calls. by the way, i plan on coming back to win this state outright.

look, you know, i couldn't have done it without -- i want to start off. i got to recognize a few of the congresspersons here. you know, dina titus has been incredible. there's a guy named horsford. you ever hear of him? that man can campaign, man. i know. i see him right there. you kidding me? you kidding me? and also, you know, there's a fellow named cardenas in that little state called california. and phil, thank you for coming from texas. right there. and hilda solis. where's hilda? she was just there. maybe she's coming back here. okay. and so, so, so many of you.

you know -- you know, i -- i'll tell you what, man. >> the comeback kid! >> you got it. well, you're sending me back. i want to tell you something, and we're in labor's house, man. labor's house. ibw stepped up in a big, big, big, big way as did a bunch of you. we got some of the best union support, i think better than anybody in the whole damn race. i heard there's some guys called firefighters around here. utu, ironworkers. by the way, i heard that we probably did awful well with

culinary workers. i know we don't have the final results yet, but i feel really good. you put me in a position. you know, the press is ready to declare people dead quickly. but we're alive, and we're coming back, and we're going to win. by the way, i want to thank all the folks at 226. you know, they've been incredible to me. they've been incredible the way they've treated me, and i want to tell you that, you know, the choices that they had to make were ones that made a big difference. look, i want to get right to the point here. i think we're in a position now to move on in a way that we haven't been until this moment. i think we're going to go, we're

going to win in south carolina. and then super tuesday, and we are on our way. look, we're here tonight at the hall, and they stepped up at just the incredible right moment. with that, the ironworkers, firefighters, teachers, culinary union, the atu and so many others. i've said 100 times, you're the reason why i'm in this. you're the ones who built the middle class. you're the ones who brought us back. by the way, this time when we rebuild the middle class, we've got to bring everybody along, black, brown, women, men, straight, across the board. you know, the idea that somehow

people are just figuring this out kind of surprises me. but, you know, everybody's just looking for a shot. no one's looking for a handout. everybody's looking for just an even shot, and they don't feel like they're getting a chance because they're not. they're being left behind. but i promise you, i give you my word as a biden i'm going to bring everybody along this time. that single mom trying to raise her kids by herself, it's hard. that 50-year-old dad who just lost his job and he has no idea where to turn. for that college grad who can't get started because his student debt is so high. for those communities of color that have had pollution pumped into their water that they drink and the air they breathe. you know, couples facing eviction who will do anything, anything at all to be able to maintain a home for their kids. for the family that has a child

with cancer that's desperately looking for help. we can fix all of these problems, every one of them. we can. it's within our power to do it. and, folks, 100 million americans with pre-existing conditions who live in fear every day that obamacare is going to be taken away, i promise you it will not be. it will be expanded on. and for the immigrants who have been demonized and the way this guy has ripped us apart in ways we haven't seen in any of our lifetimes, folks, we have such an incredible opportunity. i really mean this. we have such an incredible opportunity to take this country places it's never been, lead the world again. look, i believe that we're -- you know, i'm a democrat for a simple reason. i ain't a socialist. i ain't a plutocrat. i'm a democrat.

i'm a democrat. okay? and i'm proud of it. you got to remember what made you become a democrat in the first place. basically you thought everybody just deserves a shot. i really mean it. just a shot, an even playing field. just give us a chance. we can do anything at all. the neighborhoods i come from, a lot of you come from, anything at all. we've never, ever, ever, ever, ever let the country down. and by the way, i was proud to have and run with barack obama. and i'm proud to still be his friend, and i tell you what. i promise you i wasn't talking about running a democratic primary against him in 2012. i was working my heart out so he could win. folks, look, we are -- we can

re-establish our place in the world. we can re-establish our place for ordinary, hardworking people in this country. and, you know, we said it many times. with four years of donald trump, we can, god willing if we win, we can make that an aberration, a historical aberration. but eight years, eight years will fundamentally change who we are. as i said again many times to you all, we not only have to beat donald trump. we have to keep the united states house of representatives. we have to win the united states sena senate. and then, and then we have to bring the party and the country together. so i think it's time. i think it's time we get moving. i think it's time we step up. i think it's time we unite the party first. >> your time!

>> i'm counting on being biden time because we can bring it together. we can bring it together with your help. look, folks -- >> dr. jill for first lady! >> i tell you what i'm hearing. i'm hearing dr. jill for president where i go. you know what i mean? i tell you what, look, you've all been so wonderful. i don't want to keep you standing, but this is an important moment, an important moment, and i think we're going to look back on this and say this was the beginning of the fundamental clahange. folks, folks, we're in a spot now where we have to keep moving and make sure. by the way, as you learned today and yesterday and the day before, we're going to have more help coming from vladimir putin for our president. we're going to have more help from vladimir putin who wants

something he doesn't think can beat trump. we're going to have more help along the way. i turned out a couple of tv ads and said where the hell did that come from? the staff said they're trump ads. so let's give trump exactly what he doesn't want. let's give him you and joe biden as the nominee. thank you, thank you, thank you. i plan on coming back. >> let's go joe! >> that was joe biden addressing supporters earlier in las vegas. you can catch the former vice president tomorrow live on kasie dc at 7:00 p.m. eastern, 4:00 p.m. pacific on a special edition live from charleston, south carolina, right here on msnbc. coming up next, we're going to take a look at the different blocs of voters that helped bernie sanders win the nevada caucuses. you're watching msnbc live from las vegas. whoa, this is awful, try it.

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we're back in las vegas. bernie sanders is the projected winner in the state's democratic caucuses. let's look at some of the voting blocs that got him there. according to nbc news entrance poll results, 39% of voters who identify as liberal went for sanders. also younger voters in the state firmly in sanders' camp. according to nbc news entrance poll results, a 56% majority of

voters under the age of 45 voted for sanders in nevada. of course much was made of nevada's large latino population going into today, and there again a resounding win for bernie sanders. sanders won 53% of hispanic voters in nevada according to early nbc news entrance polls. joining our conversation, 51%, i just want to check with my producers on that because the graphic says 51%. we said 53%. let's go with 51%. my old friend ray suarez is standing by, joining our conversation along with the rest of panel. he's the host of the public radio program world affairs and the author of the book "latino americans." the rest of the panel remains with me. ray, what do you make of what we've seen today? it was expected that bernie sanders would win. it was expected that he would do well with the latino vote, but he has bested everyone else in almost every demographic that we

parsed with respect to the entrance polls. >> scorched the rest of the field, ali. you know, nevada was the first time the campaign had really moved to a big urban area. oddly, probably very few people think of it that way, but nevada is the most urban state in america with four out of five people who live in the state living in a big city or an immediate suburb. so you had organized workers. you had large numbers of latinos who also were in unions, which is critical. and you had a man who's been running for president for most of the past five years, so had a good field operation, had targeted younger latino workers, and kids just coming out of high school, and it worked. his strategy worked. >> maria teresa kumar, we are looking at still about 27% of the race. we're taking a look at the voters in this state.

65% white. 18% hispanic. 11% black. south carolina is going to get more diverse than this state, but the bottom line is this was the test of how these candidates do in a place that's more diverse. and, again, no surprises there. bernie sanders doing phenomenally well amongst the different groups. >> as suarez said, he hasn't stopped campaigning since 2016 and he has become a household name, especially among younger voters. going into south carolina, it will be whether or not older african-american women are going to want to look at bernie sanders with the same fresh eyes as young voters have. is he going to be able to do that? is he going to be able to maintain that momentum? as i mentioned before, while you have young folks in nevada, in california that are much more progressive, is that going to be the case when he hits florida, for example, and when he hits texas? texas is going to be an opportunity because the people that have been organizing for elizabeth warren are for the

most part a lot of the folks from the julian castro camp. so it will be interesting to see whether or not come super tuesday if elizabeth warren actually gets a lift out of texas because of that because, again, they have a tendency of being much more conservative than the first caucus states. that's what i'm looking for. i think one of the places that will also be interesting is see how bernie sanders actually stacks up to not only young voters. he's doing great there. he's doing great among latinos. how is he going to do well among white suburban women? white suburban women were the ones that came back into the party right after 2018 when they just didn't have -- they had such a strong distaste for this president. are they going to have the exact same, you know, oomph for bernie sanders, especially when it comes to delicate policies such as medicare for all? that's one of the reasons why they were really espoused and they really came back to the democratic party, because they were so concerned with their health care. is that going to resonate with them as well? >> hector sanchez barba, in the

2016 election, 27%, 28% of hispanic latinos voted for donald trump. in 2012, the numbers for mitt romney were not dissimilar, and the polling right now indicates that number -- that percentage of the population, a population that has grown and has become more diversified still in the trump camp for the moment. to maria's point, how does sanders or the other top tier candidates -- how do they deal with not just attracting a percentage of the latino population that they need to win the nomination but attracting them in a bigger way in the general election? >> let me be clear. the latino population doesn't like donald trump. he has been a real threat to our community. he promotes hate and violence from the white house against our families, against our children. hate crimes against our families have increased drastically since he got into office. so let's be very clear. also his numbers are some of the lowest that republicans have

received from the latino community historically. but this is an opportunity for the democratic party, and the democratic party needs to step up their game and all these presidential candidates. for example, nevada is a state in which we can refrelect on th issue of immigration. it's unacceptable that in the debates, the networks aren't asking the tough questions about immigration. we need to ask the candidates those tough questions and have specific commitments and invite all the presidential candidates to sit with us and specifically tell us how they're planning to come in. and if they're going to spend the political capital on immigration to get some initiative that is so easy to get it done. the polls show it. for example, vice president biden, i had a phone call with him in las vegas. it's the first time that he separates himself, and this agrees with the obama administration on the issue of deportations. deportations have been an issue that is so painful so us, so

hurtful. it's divisive for families. so we need to have clarity on the issue on immigration from all the presidential candidates, and we need to have all of them on record making a promise that they're going to get it done on the first 100 days and that they're going to spend the basic political capital that it requires to get it done. we haven't seen any politician do it in the past. >> yeah, it should be a layup, natasha, except that it's not because republicans have added immigration to their list, their otherwise very short list of the main litmus tests that they have around abortion and guns. but as maria was saying, when we head to south carolina, you start to see some other demographics that might get interesting. older black women. in fact the african-american community, you saw that as the one place joe biden did well in las vegas, and that was supposed to be his firewall amongst african-americans. then you see bernie sanders making inroads into that group and mike bloomberg before the wednesday fiasco. we'll see what the new polling

indicates. white suburban women, things do change a little bit in ss "outh carolina. anybody who takes today's results in nevada and says it's game over or game on, in fact south carolina will look very different and super tuesday will look very different and present other opportunities. >> absolutely. i think one thing we're seeing with the nevada results so far is that bernie is broadening his coalition. look, everyone was predicting he was going to win tonight, but not by this much. >> right. >> and not by these margins with minorities. and had -- i mean this was the classic joe biden argument. you know, when i get to nevada, and think about how long he was leading here by big margins. and here bernie came, overtook him. so i wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing the polling is showing even in south carolina that the margins are getting better and better. you know, there's a gap narrowing with african-americans. bernie is taking some of that. tom steyer is even, you know --

>> tom steyer, not a great performance here. 4% right now with 27% in. but continues to believe that south carolina is going to be an interesting place for him. so south carolina, it's just interesting how this calendar goes. we're going to have south carolina in a week and different things may happen. that chart may look very different. and then we've got super tuesday, and everything can change there too. >> yeah, absolutely. i think it's very important to note that while it is true that south carolina democrats historically speaking looks very different from nevada, the super tuesday states are an extremely diverse slate of states. as a whole, they do look more like nevada. i think we need to take a step back and say it's an enormous credit to the bernie sanders campaign that they've been able to build this coalition not just here but all over the country. look at the amount of emphasis he's been putting on california and texas. you know, the reason that i say this is going back five years to when he start the running for president the first time, the big knock on him was he was only winning over younger, white,

highly educated voters. >> he had a distinct problem with voters of color, in fact. he was not able to penetrate that in any meaningful way. >> he has made a specific point of talking about issues that matter to communities of color, but it's also a question of devoting specific resources in his campaign into having organizers in these communities of color all over the country. i was at his rally here in las vegas last night and he told the crowd his team there had just knocked on its millionth door in california. having that kind of long-term emphasis is really starting to pay off for him. you've had other people sort of assuming that because of what happened in 2016, he wasn't going to be able to have these kind of results this time around. that's i would argue learning the wrong lessons from last time. >> thanks. coming up, nevada numbers are still coming in. we are looking at 27% of the numbers in. this was the first real test for 2020 candidates in a state that is not majority white. what do the results mean as we look ahead to south carolina. we're going to try to read the tea leaves with charlie cook.

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all right. the caucuses are over here in nevada, but we continue to watch the numbers coming in from those caucuses. we also want to talk about how this all fits into the bigger picture and what it could mean for upcoming contests. on the nbc news entrance polls today, 66% of nevada democratic caucus voters say they'd prefer a nominee who can beat donald

trump compared to 32% who said they would prefer a candidate who agrees with them on the issues. former south bend, indiana, mayor pete buttigieg's speech in las vegas tonight technically focused on beating the president even though he dedicated much of his time to talking about beating another candidate for president. >> i believe we need to defeat donald trump and turn the page on this era in our politics by establishing a tone of belonging, bringing an end to the viciousness and the bullying that is tearing apart our country. we must change what it feels like to live in the united states of america. and that is the real difference from senator sanders' revolution with the tenor of combat and division and polarization leading to a future where whoever wins the day, nothing changes the toxic tone of our politics. >> joining the conversation, the editor and publisher of the cook political reporter, charlie cook. i've been dying to hear what is

going through your head right now, charlie cook. what do you make of what you are seen here in nevada and what does it make you think about what's happening next? >> you know, i hate to be the whore in the church house, but i don't frankly think nevada and south carolina next saturday are that important. you're going to have on super tuesday, we're going to find out does bernie sanders build up an insurmountable delegate lead or not? you're going to have almost ten times more delegates picked on super tuesday than in iowa, n nevada, south carolina, new hampshire. so that's going to be the real, real, real test. and, you know, this is all kind of fun to watch this today and next saturday, but super tuesday, that's where we're going to find out a whole lot about this race. >> and just to put this in perspective, a candidate needs 1,991 delegates on the first ballot if they were going to win. we've probably chosen by today about 100 of that. so we're not even close.

>> i think it's 101. >> 101, yeah. so i guess the question is there's some momentum that you read into this because the momentum of the performance causes people to get either press coverage or get some donations to keep them going. do you think anybody gets to say, we're through the gates. we're on the way. we get to live to fight another day, or is there anything decisive? if you're in this race as of tonight, do you stay in it until super tuesday? >> i think that most of them would probably stay in. i mean the thing is some of these campaigns hardly have bus fare to get from here to south carolina. and with super tuesday, i mean it costs $100 million basically to do a decent job then. i mean i think they'll hang in. the real purpose of sort of nevada and south carolina is to shoot the wounded from iowa and new hampshire. i mean it's to kind of cull the herd down a little bit more. but super tuesday is when it's

all going to matter. that's when, you know, we're going to be watching very carefully, and part of it is how long is the biden, buttigieg, bloomberg, klobuchar going to sort of split up that center left lane, and on the other side, how long can warren hang in there and sort of keep bernie from coalescing, from consolidating that lane on the left? and all these are going to make a big difference in terms of can -- you know, because the thing about this proportional system that democrats have is that it's hard to build a lead, a real lead, but it's really hard to overtake one. and we could be looking at bernie sanders with an insurmountable lead after super tuesday. so that's why i'm putting, you know, so much focus on that, because i think that's going to tell us a heck of a lot more than what's going to happen today in nevada or next saturday in south carolina. >> let's talk about elizabeth warren for a moment. she was by some written off. her campaign had complaints that

she and to some degree amy klobuchar were just being written out of the narrative entirely. she got -- she looked like she breathed new life into her campaign on wednesday night, and it did result in a lot more fund-raising. but she remains in a lane that is otherwise occupied by bernie sanders right now. do you see a path forward for her? >> frankly i don't, and it's such a surprise because back -- you know, think back to mid-october. you know, it looked -- i mean there were the appearances that she would run away with this. and to be honest, i will tell you i think she actually has more raw talent than any of the other democrats, any of the other 28 democrats that ran this year. but somehow she hit a wall back in october, november and hasn't really recovered. but just as klobuchar needed a breakthrough in iowa, you know, and it needed to be -- i mean i think she got the break in the new hampshire debate she needed, but it was too late for her to

sort of roll that over intoing about building the infrastructure for a national campaign. meanwhile warren had the momentum early and sort of ran out of gas last fall. and how much of it had to do with the medicare for all, either the stumble or the hedging on it, you know, it may have even hurt her both directions. but i don't see -- it's hard to see a path forward for at least three or four of these democrats that are still in the race. but, you know, we tend to have these zombie candidacies that are dead, but they keep running. >> charlie, thank you for your analysis. charlie cook, ray suarez, maria teresa kumar, vaughn hillyard, natasha correkky, thank you all for your time tonight. coming up, bernie sanders may have won the nevada caucuses, but my next guest maintains the only way democrats will beat trump in 2020 is with joe biden on the ticket. nevada congressman steven

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joe biden is claiming a comeback in nevada tonight, with about 27% of the vote in, the former vice president is in second place. it's a fairly distant second place, but winless so far. south carolina suddenly seems like a must-win for the biden campaign. this is what we're looking at tonight. 27% of the vote in, bernie sanders with 47% of that, joe biden coming in at half, at 23%, followed by pete buttigieg and then elizabeth warren at 9%. steven horseford got a shoutout. thanks for being with us. let's just talk about this. joe biden and his team have been talking about south carolina for a long time. they wanted to win here, and it looked like it was possible at some point.

but south carolina was the must-do thing, with 60% of the african-american votes, 60% of the democratic vote there being african-american. it was a firewall for him. that firewall has started to come apart. >> well, first let me give credit where credit is due. congratulations to senator sanders and his team here in nevada. they ran a strong campaign, and the results proved out to be the case. >> yeah. >> but vice president biden is still the best candidate to defeat donald trump, to build the broad coalition that we need to actually win this nomination now. and also in -- >> let me parse that a little bit. the candidates all say that about them selves, and tonight's entry polls, for whatever it's worth show that bernie sanders was able to top almost every group that was voting tonight with a couple exceptions. joe biden continued to do better with african-americans in

nevada. >> 65 years, plus. and did very well among union households. >> yep. >> and carried a number of the at-large strip precincts, which are a lot of the casinos. >> if you're talking about coalition building, bernie sanders did a better job tonight than joe biden did. >> let me first say, i affirm the anxiety that so many of the voters who support bernie sanders feel, whether it's related to the economy, whether it's related to immigration, health care, i, i saw them. i was at several polling locations today. i heard their concerns about the upcoming election, but that's why i would appeal to them to support joe biden, because he is the most effective person that can actually deliver on the issues that they care most about. being able to build on obamacare and provide a public option, in

order to create better-paying jobs, to actually address immigration reform once and for all. joe biden is proven. he's trusted. he's vetted. and he's not a democratic socialist, self-proclaimed. and he's someone that we know we can build a broad coalition. again, i give all respect to senator dre senator sanders for what he's able to do, but we have to be able to appeal to win in pennsylvania, in michigan, in w wisconsin, in colorado, states like nevada and north carolina to ultimately beat donald trump. and the last thing i'll say is that this is a team effort, if we really want health care. if we really want immigration reform and better-paying jobs, we have to keep a house democratic majority and we have to went back the senate. and joe biden is the best person for us to be able to compete. i know he came here and helped me win. he campaigned in 25 states for,

for over 65 candidates. >> congressman, good to see you, thank you for being with us. nevada congressman steven horseford. we are just getting started. when we come back we'll update the latest numbers from nevada. i'm ali velshi. we're watching special coverage of the nevada caucuses. come on. no. no. n... ni ni, no no! only discover has no annual fee on any card. i need all the breaks as athat i can get.or, n... ni ni, no no! at liberty butchemel... cut. liberty mu... line? cut. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. cut. liberty m... am i allowed to riff? what if i come out of the water? liberty biberty... cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

welcome back to nbc's special coverage of the nevada caucuses. i'm ali velshi in las vegas. the projected winner is bernie sanders, with 27% of the vote in, sanders leads the rest of the field by more than 20 points. he has bested joe biden by doubling. former vice president joe biden in second place, a distant second at the moment. pete buttigieg, elizabeth warren in there as well. nobody has been awarded any delegates other than bernie sanders just yet.

there's 36 in total. sanders has 13 of them at the moment. that means sanders has opened up a double digit delegate lead over pete buttigieg in the national delegate count. the senator enjoyed the victory from san antonio, texas where he a campaign rally tonight. >> in nevada, we have just put together a multi-generational, multi-racial coalition, which is going to not only win in nevada, it's going to sweep this country. [cheers and applause] no campaign has a grassroots movement like we do. which is another reason why we're going to win this election. [cheers and applause] >> okay, lots to unpack here. joining me to discuss this is sahill capure. matt visor and jane clooeb.

welcome to all three of you. thank you for joining us to make sense out of this, and this is definitely, jane, an evening when we need some help making sense of it. this is a big win for bernie sanders, there's no way to describe it other than that. as you cross tabulate all the different things we saw in the entry polls, he does well in almost all of them. that said, there are 36 delegates here. we're up to 101 delegates in total. you need 1991 to win on the first ballot. if there's something called momentum, it feels like it for bernie sanders tonight in nevada. >> there's no question. i think what the issue is, our party looks and sounds very differently than our political establishment has thought. that is shown in the actual results of the caucuses and early prime heirs. we've been slow as political leaders to catch up to where voters are. i think what you've seen over the past five years is activists, from dreamers, to black lives matter to pipeline

protesters. that is a big difference that a lot of people are not talking about >> here's issue. bernie sanders tweeted it out today. the republican establishment, you can't stop us. and the democratic establishment, you can't stop us. there are lots of people in establishment, in journalism, democratic circles, who think bernie sanders is a threat, and that bernie sanders can't win the election. and his campaign people are out in force tonight, on twitter, telling everybody, stop ignoring us, stop dismissing us, you've got to deal with us. >> he can't be ignored any longer. it's clear. this is a statement when the numbers are pretty astounding, and, as you mentioned, it's across the board. it's union households, non-union households. educated, non-educated households across the board. this is the first state where you've had a diverse electorate. he's bringing new caucus goers,

first-time caucus goers out for him. i think you're going to start to see a little bit of the backlash. you heard a little bit from pete buttigieg in his speech afterwarafte afterwards, but you saw sanders reach out a little bit, talking about the diversity he's bringing to the party. i think that's next phase, potentially, that the party's going to have to grapple with bernie sanders being their standard bearer. >> every single one of the surrogates says our candidate is the only one who can build the broad coalition necessary to defeat donald trump. a bunch of them are clearly lying. what does this mean? because they can't actually be true that they're all the ones to build the broad coalition, considering when you see the entry polls here they tell us something we knew. about a third of the voters in nevada made the choice for the person who shares their views versus the person they believe can beat donald trump. >> yeah, there is a hearts vote

and minds vote. and the extraordinary thing about the nevada caucuses is that bernie sanders won both. he won democratic voters who said they want a candidate who agrees with them most on the issues. he won democratic voters who said they want a candidate who can beat donald trump. but to your point, there are not many candidates assembling that broad-based coalition. one of the most impressive things about bernie sanders' victory, 37 points over second place. that's going to come in handy in california, in texas. two rich-delegate prizes. the only place he seems vulnerable is among black voters. joe biden won that group of voters, and that's going to matter in south carolina. >> go back to 2016. this is not a place where bernie sanders was competitive, and there was a lot of criticism that he didn't have the ability to be competitive among black voters.

bernie's competitive and bloomberg's that factor. he's not in tonight's race, but he's a factor in african-american voters. at least he was until wednesday. >> this is one of the biggest differences between bernie sanders' 2016 campaign and this campaign. he was doing poorly among black voters, this time he's doing much better among hispanics. >> let's talk about moderates. >> yep. >> they, tonight there are moderate democrats. there are some democrats who consider themselves conservative, even, who are looking at this saying what's going to happen. >> mm-hm. >> they're lane got squeezed out tonight. >> not necessarily. this is the thing. when we have moderate voters, i obviously come from a red and rural state, i like to reach out to all states of blue. they want to know that you have their back and you're going to stand up for them. they want to know that you're going to have your backs when it comes could economics and health

care and property rights in states like nebraska. we have to remember that latino and african-american voters are not progressive left. i think bernie can attract them with their kmieconomic policies. >> bernie sanders comes into the state with medicare for all, a very heavy union state, they pushed back. they said we like our health care. if you're a union, you've spent the last 30, 40, 50, 60 years fighting for your health care. i think culinary world says 85 5 years. and he still wins the you knuni vote. >> the culinary group set the table. and you look at the casinos on the strip and bernie sanders is winning those among the culinary rank and file. there's that thing where there's a disconnect with the leadership in some of the unions and rank and file. bernie sanders has found a way

to tap into the rank and file. >> leadership in the unions are getting gun-shy, saying our members are going to do what our members want to do. medicare for all versus hard-won union membership health care plans. sahill, were you talking about pete buttigieg, not just talking about donald trump tonight, but actually warning the democratic party about the danger of bernie sanders. let's listen to what he said earlier today. >> senator sanders believes in an inflexible, ideological revolution that leaves out most democrats. not to mention most americans. i believe we can defeat trump and deliver for the american people by empowering the american people to make their own health care choices with medicare for all who want it. we can prioritize either ideological purity or inclusive victory. we can either call people names online, or we can call them into our movement. we can either tight and narrow

and hard-core base or open the tent to a new and frabroad and big-hearted american coalition. [cheers and applause] >> he's making the point we talking about. at the moment, bernie sanders didn't get 50% of the vote in nevada, but it was close. no other contingent adds up to where bernie sanders is. so from the perspective of pete buttigieg saying he can't build that coalition, i can, what does that mean here? is bernie sanders showing us that the coalition's not what you all thought it was? >> right, well, pete buttigieg is trying to portray this as a three-person race, he's trying to position himself to the alternative to a socialist on one side and a billionaire on the other side. the bloomberg people are saying this is a two-person race between themselves and bernie sanders. so everyone is looking for their

preferred foil here. there aren't clear lanes here. democratic voters aren't splitting themselves up into self-identification saying these are my choices. there's a lot of kind of cross-driving between the lanes. some people just want a candidate they think is smart. some people want a candidate based on certain issues. >> yeah, we think we're well into this race. but for a lot of people, they're not. they're still watching this unfold, and they're seeing, for some people, wednesday's debate was watching what these people might do if they're up against donald trump. let's listen to elizabeth warren. she continues to warn, just like buttigieg is warning people about bernie sanders, elizabeth warren continues to warn people about bloomberg. let's listen. >> i want to talk specifically, for just a minute at the top, about a threat that is coming our way. and it's a big threat, not a tall one, but a big one. michael bloomberg. he argues that he is the safest bet to beat donald trump.

he not say, he's just rich. let's think about that. billionaire who hides his taxes. has a bad history with women and defends racist policies. let me just put it this way. we're not substituting one arrogant billionaire for another in 2020. [cheers and applause] >> so matt, take a look at her strategy, versus pete buttigieg's strategy. they' they're putting themselves as alternatives but to different potential leading candidates. >> for warren, bloomberg brings out something in her that you saw in the debate and you're seeing again tonight where she's found her voice a little bit in the anno, sir iimosity that she with bloomberg. it's going to align her a little bit with bernie sanders.

you can imagine the two of them, they are compatible. and she is helping bernie sanders at the moment by going after mike bloomberg. >> is that working? is there enough room in bernie sanders' lane for elizabeth warren to be hanging out there? everyone else has decided we're going to a different lane. >> i think his most fierce supporters are very upset with senator warren. i think they feel like she sat on the sidelines in 2016 when she should have been endorsing him. i think with mayor bloomberg, he does have support in the african-american community and the climate community. he has spent millions of dollars to close coal plants. i think we have to be very cautious, like there's no doubt that senator sanders is in the lead and we should celebrate that and honor the fact that he has brought a wide coalition. i think we have to be wide-eyed as democrats and we have to remember that this is a

long-term game. we passed iowa, and we're not talking about rural anymore. you don't hear anybody talking about property rights or some of the issues that would attract the rural voters that we need in pennsylvania and wisconsin. >> do you worry about bernie sanders as the nominee? >> no, when i talk to ranchers and farmers, they think he is the only one who's not an a arrogant s.o.b. warren's conversation going after billionaires works well. people feel left behind by the government. i think her message resonates on that level. >> there's a lot of populist overlap between the people who supported bernie sanders last time around and maybe even this time around and the people who supported donald trump. that frustration, that anger, that economic inequality conversation. maybe they will, those people who supported donald trump will come to see that he didn't deliver for them, although he

continu continues to tell them that he's delivered for them in stock prices and a trade war with china. will he peel some of those people off who voted for trump last time particularly in pennsylvania. >> this is one of the biggest questions in the general election. is the swing voter a middle of the road type or agitated disaffected who are looking for a disrupter. the only commonal its oity is t they are outsiders affecting major change in different ways. bernie sanders is coming along saying i'm reflecting a different kind of change. so theoretically, yes, there are voters who are not ideologically driven who don't look at x or y issue and think they want a hn honest politician. if bernie sanders is going to win those voters, he's going to

have to come up with a version of that. it's not a sure bet, of course. he has taken some positions that can be categorized as out of the mainstream. he's untested. that's what's making a lot of democratic voters nervous. the last issue, on medicare for all, in iowa, nevada, large majorities of democratic voters support medicare for all, their candidates like pete buttigieg and joe biden have been against that. a public action is more popular than medicare for all, but there's an intensity that drives a lot of democratic voters out that bernie sanders has caught onto. >> something we're going to keep talking about. it is not a topic that is as well understood as it could be but it could be one upon which this victory and nomination race hinges. when we return, we're going to talk about the muddle in the middle. how do pete buttigieg, joe biden

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arrived now. >> all right, amy klobuchar speaking earlier. she got about 4% of the vote. i got brand new numbers. we just had a big new trauchx of numbers come in. we are now at 40.6. it says 35%. we're going to update that once again. we are above 40% of the numbers, but the percentages look very much like what three are ey are screen. bernie sanders' lead has increased. 41%. there we go. bernie sanders has 47% of the vote now. he continues to be the projected winner. joe biden, his percentage has decreased. he's now at 21% from 23%. pete buttigieg firmly in third at 15%, but good space between biden and buttigieg and more space between buttigieg and warren. tom steyer now tying 4%.

and then 0.1% uncommitted. tulsi gabbard has three votes, it appears for 0%. bernie sanders' lead is increasing in this state. warnz was looking for a big come back tonight after her performance in the wednesday debate. she'd seen amy klobuchar do well and had hoped that would happen for her. so she came out swinging, was bide widely lauded as the best performer in the debate. much of the early voting had taken place at that point and entry polls suggest that even those who voted after they saw the debate, there wasn't much movement towards elizabeth warren. we haare looking at live pictur in seattle, washington, where elizabeth warren is. she is taking pictures with

people as she is wont to do in these events. but the message for elizabeth warren continues to be fairly energized and fired up tonight. >> yeah, ali, that's right. we're well into hour two of the selfie line. she had 7,000 people packed into this space. >> wow. >> less than the 15,000 she had last time we were here. we were outside. we're inside this time. might be a little bit of a self-limiting space. the enthusiasm was about the same. you would never know she came in fourth place in nevada based on the energy of this crowd here. but perhaps that's point. this is a march-voting state. it speaks to the elizabeth warren strategy that veeshe's looking ahead on the calendar. the rest of them happen as you get further down the calendar and especially as you get to

super tuesday. warren's is a campaign that continues to push toward super tuesday. the big question for all these campaigns, what are they going to do about bernie sanders? elizabeth warren came out swinging at michael bloomberg, not bernie sanders. that's a strategy she applied on the debate stage but still seems to be the strategy out here on the campaign trail. when i asked her after the debate why didn't you go after bernie sanders, why did you go after michael bloomberg, she repeated it was the right strategy. if you look at what her campaign manager's out tonight saying they think she'll be one of the three people left on super tuesday against bloomberg and sanders. it seems like they think they can keep swiping at michael bloomberg while going around bernie sanders. she did offer a criticism of him tonight. it does fit with in larger message of efficacy and ability to get things done that warnz's been touting but not as effective as making fun of

michael bloomberg's height. attacking versus contrasting. the result in nevada tonight is one of the things that could throw a wrench in the warren's team larger plan. when i was speaking to their team, their strategy to move down the calendar and keep picking up delegates works if the results remain convoluted. in iowa, new hampshire, you had a winner, but it wasn't like someone was running away with it. here in nevada, bernie sanders has a decisive win, as far as we see the results coming right now. that sort of throws a wrench into the warren team's game plan, if no one runs away with these contests it remains an open field. if this remains to be the case, that bernie sanders does well in nevada and continues notching wins down the calendar, that could make things really difficult with the warren team strategy. they were capping off nevada feeling good as they push ahead in the calendar. >> we have new numbers in. we are at 43% of the delegate

count. something has broken through, and our numbers are increasing. bernie sanders holding his lead, more than double, matt, more than double joe biden. joe biden was out there, thanks for keeping me in the race. pete buttigieg was carrying on about how he's the alternative. this is scorched earth. there is no other way to look at this. you heard charlie cook saying he doesn't see a road for warnz. but you look at those pictures and see 7,000 people wanting to take pictures with her, and you wonder what that means going on. >> he's almost got a majority and six legitimate candidates here. >> yeah, that was always a criticism. in new hampshire, the idea was he's not going to get the numbers he got in 2016 because there are too many people running against him. there's still too many people running against him and he got nearly 50% of the vote. >> it's almost like the race is confounded against narrowing. warren has a reason to stay in. she's motivated when she sees

crowds that size in seattle. when they see the fund raising figures they've got p after the last debate. amy klobuchar got huge numbers after new hampshire. i think everybody sort of has an excuse to be in, but it prevents there from being any -- >> any reason to get out, right. >> any bernie alternative. >> this is a path for warns if there was one. it involves the field narrowing. i would say there's probably nobody in the democratic field that has been hurt more than warnz. she's losing progressives to bernie sanders. she's losing democrats who want a woman president to amy klobuchar. she's losing some barack obama and hillary clinton voters to joe biden who might otherwise move to her. so she's being squeezed on so many different fronts. if there is a sudden narrowing of the field i could potentially

see a path to her if all these second-choice voters move to her, but it's looking very, very difficult. >> the people above her are not getting out before she does. so she can only look at the people who are ranking below her. amy klobuchar, tom steyer and tulsi gabbard. and i'm not sure what she gets out of that, probably from amy klobuchar she gets some benefit, because there are people who see some similarity in them, even though they are different in ideology, they are policy-rich campaigns. these are both women who have legislative experience and policy experience, and there are some newspapers like the "new york times" that found that very interesting. all right, thank you for being with us. when we return, we have seen reports that mike bloomberg's campaign is preparing for a contested convention. that means somebody not winning on the first ballot, with bernie sanders' projected win tonight, do the odds get higher or lower that there may not be a clear nominee when the convention goes to milwaukee? we're back with more on that

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get a majority of the nearly 19, 2,000 delegates he'd need to clench the nomination. he'd need 1991 to do that. i want to bring in elaina schneider, leanne caldwell and a nbc think tank member, who started this morning. we've been here for a long, long time. elaina, let's talk about this for a second. how good or bad a thing is a contested convention? >> i think for the party involved, it's not an ideal situation. you want to go into the fall with a united front, and obviously, a contested convention can often lead to hurt feelings at one end of the spectrum or total disaster at the other end. i think there's, as you said, a real possibility that everyone has in the backs of their mind that this could go to a contested convention. and we have evidence in the debate where bernie sanders was the one candidate on the stage a few nights ago who said that the

nomination should go to whoever most number of delegates whereas everyone else said let the process play out. >> he has drawn a clear distinction between the establishment and him. he talked about the republican establishment and the degree to which he believes the democratic establishment is against him. we get tweets all the time, even here at nbc news about the system being rigged against bernie sanders. here's thing. if he has the most votes going into a convention and then those super delegates show up, and they don't support bernie sanders, there are going to be a whole lot of angry people who supported bernie sanders to say that the system's rigged. the establishment was always against him. >> he even talked about that at the debate, talking about the super delegates and talking to caucus goers in nevada. today you hear the same language, of his supporters that bernie sanders is saying it's the same thing that bernie sanders has been talking about since 2016. >> yep. >> it's baked in so many of these bernie sanders' supporters

minds that the system is not fair, and that if he doesn't go into the convention as a clear winner then it was rigged against him. and i think that is a problem for the party. because it just undermines the entire system and it's very similar to language we hear from frumt as well. >> what do you think? he was up here talking about he scorched everybody. >> crushed. >> we have 43% in right now. he's more than double his closest rival. >> right. and the biggest news is three won. he crushed the latino vote. >> yeah. >> there's a new ucla study that came out about an hour ago that about 33 latino-majority precincts in nevada. and they looked at the actual data, and it was 74% to 18% latinos. >> wow. >> and that is in the urban center, which he lost last time around. >> right. >> that's historic. the other thing i want to say, ali, about south carolina.

let's not say that there are 118,000 eligible latino voters in south carolina. and he micro targeted iowa. latinos got him a little bit over the top. he micro targeted. it's part of the campaign. my phone all night is like sanders won, crushed the latino vote. it's a huge problem for biden. i don't want to talk about contested conventions right now. because the bloomberg campaign also came out and said sanders has a small base. so you're telling me now, latino voters, the fastest growing electorate is a small base? >> almost every cross tabulation you look at tonight in our entrance polls, he won. sanders won. african-americans, biden edged him out a little bit amongst older voters, believe it or not, biden edged him out. but he won in almost every other category. most times it was biden or

buttigieg. in one or two cases warren who were next up. but the consolidation argument, the vote for me, because i can be the big tent the party needs to be. right now the democrat party is too tense. and bernie sanders won in both of those tents. so people who think they want to vote for the person most aligned with them, bernie sanders got the most votes, and for people who said they want somebody who can beat trump, bernie sanders got the most votes. >> hook hlook how far he's actu come. in 2016 he was the candidate of young, white voters. hillary clinton was able to pull off the nomination. he learned some really key lessons in 2016, and he went directly back to those latino voters who he was not able to win in 2016 and worked them hard. and look, that gives them really strong evidence moving forward that they are going to be able to bring the candidate who brings everyone together. and as you know, that's what's most important to democratic primary voters right now.

>> there are people who tell me that moderates won't vote for bernie sanders as president. you got a little out of town yesterday, what were they telling you? >> the moderate democrats i talked to, they were representative of democrats across the country. i talked to a lot of elizabeth warren supporter, people who are supporting amy klobuchar. but they liked bernie sanders. but i also cover congress when i'm not out on the road. and there's a huge concern among senators and members of congress about their own reelections, because they are worried that bernie sanders is not going to be the person who's able to turn out the voters who are necessary for them to win in these swing, purple, red districts. >> the down-balance llot races. the idea if somebody sits on their hands because bernie sanders is the candidate, some of the candidates for congress are nervous because the voters are sitting home. >> the ones who might be comfortable with a big wholesale change in the economy, getting

rid of their health care for medicare for all. the establishant of the democratic party, that bernie sanders might hurt them down-ticket. >> i agree. i went to anthem today, and henderson. a suburban, affluent community anattended a caucus, and the winner was buttigieg and biden. when it was the second wave, sanders was viable. and the warren people are like come with us. and they're like, no, we don't want to come with you. that's a big issue, and you see it in the caucus. there was definitely two tents, and i was like fascinated. everyone should watch democracy in action. >> sure. >> and it's clear that that's a problem. you know, i personally think that sanders is winning right now. so i think, you know, he's going to be like, i'm winning, and i think that's all, they're all going to figure it out once you realize, you know, that he might be the nominee. >> yeah. >> but at the same time, this happened with trump.

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amy klobuchar and tom steyer tied at 4%. according to entrance polls, they're different than exit polls. 66% of nevada democratic caucus voters say they would prefer a nominee who can beat trump, compared to 32% who said they prefer a candidate who agrees with them on the issues. of hothose who prefer a candida that can beat trump, bernie sanders is still that candidate. even if you want the guy to beat trump you still pick sanders. we are back to talk about this. i'm just looking at these cross tabulations of the various people who've come in. i want to look at the key groups that did support bernie sanders. so, if you supported bernie sanders, he won amongst 18,

17-29, young people. he won amongst hispanics. he won against those who supported, considered themselves very liberal, and he won amongst those who support medicare for all, and he won amongst unions. >> mm-hm. >> what do you read into this? >> that that's a broad coalition representing what we like to call the rising electorate that consultants have been selling candidates on for years, and it's finally here, and they're showing up, and they're showing up for bernie sanders. and i know that makes some of our democratic establishment uncomfortable. i think it's okay that the establishment is uncomfortable. when we had president obama in office, we lost 1200 seats at the state and local level. sometimes lower ballots drive turnout. there's no question that any of our candidates could help those, could help any of our presidentials. but the bottom ticket can help

the presidentials. to me, what's most important is we have a candidate investing in our state parties. president obama did not do that, that's why we lost the state seats, the asdc. if we have the support at the state level, we will win. >> medicare for all, i happen to like single-payer health care, going back to congress for a second, congress can't pass anything to do with health care. they managed to pass obamacare, that was the last meaningful health care thing passed. i think there have been 60, 70, 100 attempts to do something else, what used to be called repeal and replace, even though there was no replace. medicare for all, even if you sign up and like the idea, it's a heavy, heavy lift in congress. >> oh, huge, so big. that's why, before we even get up to medicare for all, some democrats are saying we need to restore obamacare, because it's been gutted so much from the republicans and control for the past years. so it is a huge lift. you have bernie sanders

supporters like alexandria yoe cause y cause yoe cortez saying if we shoot for that we get a win. bernie sanders got the support of union voters, despite the union saying they don't support him. >> union leadership likes the fact that they fought for health care all these decades. that's their baby. >> but the rappings arank and fg member, they may want leadership for all, but it's the union who wants to preserve. >> it turns out in this state, a bunch of people said, all right. i'll take the medicare for all. >> yeah. and so the union leaders were vocal in their position, but now we have finally heard from the rank and file of the union members. >> if you are a democrat who thinks health care is the most important issue, and for some democrats it ranks higher than the economy, you tend to like this idea. if you are somebody who thinks

the economy is a bigger issue overall than health care you tend not to like this. is this a coalition that bernie sanders has here or the coalition of the liberals? >> it's certainly a big part of bernie sanders's coalition. it ranked as the number one issue by voters overall in the 2018 election. the great irony of this is that all the democratic candidates, if any of them are elected president are likely to end up on the same place on health care given the makeup of congress. there's no way a single payer is going to pass in the next few years. >> it should. >> the big question is what the opening bid is going to be for the president. if it's bernie sanders or in some cases elizabeth warren, they will ask for a single payer, they will ask for that and climb down. >> maybe, but all you all need to get with the rest of us in the oecd and do a single-payer system. i totally get how hard it will be to get it done, but boy, it's

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brothers and sisters, if we stand together we will not only defeat trump, we will transform this country and create a government and an economy that works for all of us not wealthy campaign contributors. thank you all very much. >> good evening and welcome to a special edition of p.m. joy. just over an hour ago nbc news officially projected bernie sanders of vermont as the winner of the nevada caucuses and a majority of its 36 delegates. the results here in the silver

state are perhaps the most decisive of the primary season so far. and because the voters in the previous two races in iowa and new hampshire were overwhelmingly white which is not representative of the country or the democratic party dmefb where about 4 in 10 voters is non-white is more reflective of where this race is headed nationwide. and sanders who won squeakers in the previous contest won big in the kind of diverse state democrats will need to take on trump in november. and tonight he lays legitimate claim to being the front-runner for the democratic nomination. and i'll say just to you viewers who are tuning in this evening i said it to -- earlier on our air that essentially politics is about passion, right? it's also about mechanics, getting people out to vote. but in a lot of ways i've got this personal truism of politics that the most eager, the most anxious, the most determined base will usually get what they want. and the people who have the most

passion normally will win out in terms of getting the nomination for their party. you go back to 1992, young voters just ignored what older voters said. they wanted a change in generation, and they wound up getting it with bill clinton. you go to 2008, black voters saw that barack obama was viable, they saw he was viable in iowa a mostly white electorate, and they said we're going to do anything in our power to make sure he is the nominee. tonight i think what you saw was the most passionate base on the democratic party side are bernie sanders base. they are younger for the most part but not all young. they are more latino, they are more african-american at least under age 30 and they want fundamental change for the country. and because they are the most passionate base they got what they wanted here in the state. it's the first real proof of concept that bernie sanders has been able to show he could do what he's always said his

revolution could do which was bring out the most passionate voters. the most passionate base will normally get what they want and tonight it was bernie sanders base who got what they want. joining me now an editor for the nevada independent and jennifer pa palmieri. this was much more decisive for bernie sanders than the previous races and it feels like a lot of the reason for that is the more diverse state and it is proof of concept he can turn out younger voters of color as well as more liberal white voters. >> the entrance polls steve kornacki has been showing all day, something you said is poshlt. passion will be beat mechanics almost every time. but sanders had passion when he

barely lost the state to hillary clinton. this wasn't a ragtag group of folks running. these were real political pros, they had the best organization, by far the best field operation and highest number of operatives. you put those two together, no one could compete with him. >> one of things we missed looking from 30,000 feet up in 2016, jen,is the most passionate, the most angry, the most determined voters really were white voters who said we don't want to pick up the phone and hear press 1 for spanish, we don't want undocumented immigrants. we want a country that's going to focus on the needs of white christians and that is what we want. they were the most passionate voters. it's why they managed to get donald trump through a 16-person field and no one saw it coming because people didn't recognize that passion. i worked on the obama campaign.

you saw it. there was a passion, and the passion this time is with sanders. >> yeah, and by definition it's like you don't see it because it is on the outside, right? you can't see that coming. i think what i see is one the sanders campaign as john said was really well organized. but my understanding is they also empowered a lot of people on the ground and that's a smart way to build a strategy that's going to work that you can rely on because it's built on local supporters. and things have gotten a lot worse in the last four years and, you know, particularly for young hispanics who live with the fear of a parent being deported every single day they live with the fear that they themselves could be deported every single day, and economic anxiety has not waned. it's a different america, and they were able to -- he has passionate supporters, but they

proved their skill and how well they could organize in this state. and during early -- they worked early votes so well. and unlike iowa and new hampshire which didn't see a huge growth in new voters, we did in the caucus and particularly in the early vote. but you saw, you know, sanders would do a rally and then march people to vote right to the very polls. and, you know, that was the big difference. that's why he ended up with such a huge number today. >> let's look at these numbers when you look at it by race. if you look at african-american voters which are very much split right now in this electorate by age demographic, so that's why it's so split. biden still lead, sanders just behind him at 28%. steyer invested a lot of money trying to turn black voters his way. and the black vote i think is split generationally but latino vote is split for sanders and

it's 54% to 14%. nobody even comes close. that's 11%, 12% of the white electorate here. it's sort of musha down it line where white voters are making i think different kinds of choices, but i wonder if there's the other thing to think about, john, is we also have not taking into account the anger, it rage, the sense of frustration of low wealth people. this isn't just about latino voters finally coming into their own and voting vote share, this is about people who don't make a lot of money, living in a country where you can't live without a roommate, living in a country where you can't earn a decent wage. sanders appeals to those voters. it just show happens a lot of that working class is brown and black. >> and a lot of people have not done that well under trump even though he brags about the economy and by a lot of metrics,

the economy is doing really well. for some people it's not, and you talk about that anger. those people are angry. they've been left behind in an economy they think is unfair to them. and then there's another group, joy, and you know this, too. young people who see the world that they're just about to come into as young adults into the working world and they don't see the opportunities there, or they see limited kinds of opportunities for them. that's a lot of who the bernie sanders folks are, and they are passionate and to some extent they're very angry. >> let me show you guys this number by age. age 17 to 29 is overwhelmingly sanders base. these younger voters who are, by the way, 17 to 29-year-olds are the single most diverse voting age in this country. much more diverse than the boomers, they are more diverse just as a class of voters of people, of humans than older voters.

53% are very liberal. support medicare for all is 52%. but i think the other issue for young voters and my daughter and i had this conversation because she's sort of end at millennial and generation y, when i got out of college, even though it was the end of the george herbert walker bush administration, it very quickly was the clinton administration. i could i don't like this job, i quit and get another one the next day. my now husband and i were dating at the time, he would get paid and leave his check there for a week. it wasn't urgent. it always felt like the possibilities for us for generation "x" were endless. every time we turned around some ups driver were becoming a millionaire. they do not feel like they have the possibilities in this country that were promised not just to our generation but to their grandparents, and they are determined to flip the tables, and they really don't listen to

the regular order democrats who say this socialist idea is just not realistic. they don't want to hear it. >> i come from generation "x," too, you look it from a young person's perspective, their experience is things continue to get worse. and, you know, the biden campaign is banking people like in that sort of were banking on the notion everyone's going to want to go back to normal, which i don't think we can ever do. politics is going to change. but what they were discounting is how much worse everything was going to get in the four years trump was president. so the irony for them is people don't want to go back to something like what biden represents. they want dramatic change. and these young people -- i'm so old, but these young people are not wrong. they're not wrong that the system has failed them, that change doesn't happen and huge problems have gone unresolved

and congress doesn't work and it doesn't represent the views of the country. those things are all true, and i can keep waiting for it to hit rock bottom and prove and they're saying we're going to vote for something totally different. >> it's interesting because i look at an elizabeth warren who channels the very, you know, easy to understand, well explained policy ideas to change this, right? she's got the experience of creating legislation that can make it work, but she's still working as a regular order democrat. she's still working in sort of the norms world. so that does not resonate with this group of people. you think about pete buttigieg who is millennial, some consultant decided to come up with medicare for all who want it, that's like freedom for all who want it. it's not inspiring. it's not going to move people who want fundmental change. all these other people that are running are saying a version of normal politics and obviously sanders he doesn't have, you

know, 80% of the electorate, he has a third or 40%. it's enough. >> it probably can be enough to have at least the most delegates and depending how the momentum goes a majority of the delegates going into milwaukee. it's really interesting to think about elizabeth warren who is so smart and so good in almost every debate and really i think all of the things being equal would be able to tap into a lot of that young peoples anger, but bernie sanders started before her. he had started building this base in 2016, and none of those people were going to be torn away from him to go to elizabeth warren. if she was coming into this with all of that to be taken i think she would have gotten a lot of that, but it's just not there. you see she's not doing very well. meanwhile the fascinating thing about buttigieg to me is he's so cool all the time, and he doesn't inspire that -- >> you mean cool like chilly --

calm. >> you know, being cool on tv and by the way i've been told this many times is better than being hot because it's a hot medium, and he comes across that way. but i think there's a lot of democrats who say that's not the time. as jen was talking about they don't want someone with a cool steady hand on the tiller. they want someone who can tap into their anger and their rage what is going on in this country under trump. while i think he's a tremendously smart guy i agree with you on the consultant made sound bites, i don't think he's able to generate that kind of compassion. >> and warren, you're right, it is a puzzle. she seems a woman robbed of the white house last time, why doesn't that work? and i mean this in a nonpejorative way. so i had a republican say to methe other day how are you feeling about maybe running against the democratic socialist

candidate and he says all things being equal i'd rather not run against a movement. so there is a sense in which republicans may be a little too gleeful and democrats may be a little too depressed because you do have a sense of mourning or people like me who have have been democrats our whole voting lives who are saying the party has been seized by this. >> i think that conventionality is donald trump's friend. so if he's running against a conventional candidate, that can be his friend. so i think the trump campaign may think they want sanders, but they should be careful what they wish for, because an unconventional candidate, it's a harder play book i think for them to run against. can i go back to warren for a second, because i think about this -- can i tell you i think about this all the time? what happened -- what happened to elizabeth warren? she is the most talented communicator in the field.

and it may be that she was trying to straddle trying to appeal to the very progressive as well as the middle and that was a hard thing to do, but i think a lot about how -- about gender and why when she and bernie are so closely aligned on issues and she, too, has a lifelong record of fighting, you know, on these issues, on fairness and fighting corruption. but everything defaults to sanders. he could be a pure form of what she's offering. she did sort of straddle the line on medicare for all, and that could be astray but i think a lot about gender play there. >> and this is another thing i'm thinking about all the time a lot of democrats are panicked are getting panicked, john, about whether or not someone who self-identifies as a socialist, he's sticking with it it -- in a

state like nevada, does it put nevada in play for the republicans because america isn't what you may want it to be. that's one thing black folks we have a bit of advantage. we know what america is so we have a lot of doubt -- there was even a lot of doubt a black president could be elected. so the idea a socialist could win is something a lot of democrats, they're having panic attacks now saying we're going to lose arizona, we're going to lose colorado, kiss-off florida. in a state like nevada, you know it better than anybody, can somebody self-identifying as a socialist win the state? >> the short answer is yes. nevada has gotten much ebluer over the last few cycles. the democratic party is a machine. the republican party doesn't exist, it's just been take over by the trump campaign. the democrats have all the registration advantage and all of that. the only hope democrats have they've been banking on bernie sanders you cannot win in a

swing state like nevada but this is the flip side of clinton wanting trump and thinking because he's so extreme and whatever else. listen, there's a lot of smart conservatives who are going out on twitter in the wake of this and saying stop, stop celebrating this. we don't know what might happen because every campaign is just one accident away -- one bad accident of making something not competitive, competitive. >> for the rest of this hour we're going to keep these wonderful people around. stay with us. we have much, much more on the nevada caucus results live from las vegas. alexa, tell me about neptune's sorrow. it's a masterstroke of heartache and redemption. the lexus nx. modern utility for modern obstacles. lease the 2020 nx 300 for $359 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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so it can't just be about money. it's about people that show up. so thank you all. >> senator elizabeth warren stopped at a caucus location in henderson, nevada, earlier today. right now we are waiting for her to address reporters in seattle after a disappointing turnout here in nevada. despite her fiery debate performance this week. a poll following that debate found warren rising two points, but still in fourth place. she is now looking to south carolina in the super tuesday contest to move up and move on in this race.

joining me is josi ross, co-host of breakdancing with wolves. and tiffany cross, co-founder and managing editor of the beat d.c. a harvard fellow. we love to mention, give you the honorific. i was asking you in the break if you were surprised by the results. say on camera what you said to me. >> yeah, well, bernie sanders has, he created an infrastructure in 2015. so he's benefitting from five years of work here in nevada. and that includes the 27 federally recognized tribes that are here in nevada. and by the way, we talked about it. the results are just -- the margin is going to get bigger on behalf of bernie sanders because those remote locations have indian reservations and a lot of those places, those are swinging heavily for to bernie. this is not a surprise at all. if people are surprised, they weren't doing their research for the past five years that bernie's created significant

inroads and made 47% of the vote in 2016 with hillary, who was thought to be dominating this state. >> right. i mean, what you are seeing, tiffany, there has been a lot of talk for many years. we talk about it often on our "a.m. joy" show. there is this coming bubble of latinx voters that at any moment people say will kick in and start to really change the way democratic politics looks, capital d politics looks. this is one instance where that happened and where you did see, you know, this surge of voters that are from the latinx community overwhelmingly for bernie sanders and also josi ross mentioned indigenous communities here the same way. >> yeah, i think good on bernie sanders for to censoring latinx voters. for the first time this year they will eclipse black voters in terms of number of eligible voters. they made up, i think, over 20%

of caucus goers. bernie sanders was on the ground early. he spent, i think, over $20 million in his outreach there. his ground game was simply better. the asian american pacific islander community is huge in vegas and they had a lot of outreach, bernie sanders as well as elizabeth warren did. when you see these candidates who have centered the rising majority of this country as part of their ground game, you see them rise in the polls. you see them win states. and then when you see people who have never made any effort to center people at the center of their campaign, i.e., amy klobuchar, she doesn't do well. it sends a message to all the campaigns, this is your base. stop trying to appeal to trump voters. stop trying to talk about how you can win red states. talk to the people. dance with the one who brung you. i think we saw that with bernie sanders tonight. >> yeah, let's take a look at a couple of -- we are going outside and look at what is sort of coming. i'll note for the audience,

earlier we were able to observe a caucus location. one of the things that was very interesting is that, you know, this sort of second most robust group of people at that caucus were sanders supporters. a slightly smaller number for pete buttigieg. the biggest cohort in that room was biden supporters. and the differences were interesting. the sanders and biden supporters were the most diverse. the buttigieg sort of group were much less diverse, at least at the place where we were. so let's look at other places where the latinx vote and where these voters of color might make a difference. first california, which is in super tuesday, which means super tuesday is like really expensive and really difficult. sanders has a majority there over joe biden. michael bloomberg sort of creeping up pretty quickly in that poll in the latest poll with elizabeth warren just behind him. and that's, you know, that supports the anecdotal evidence i'm hearing from black women and older african-american who are

freaking out that biden is dropping and going to bloomberg. then you look at a poll like south carolina and it's the reverse. you now have joe biden who is on top. very strong support still among african-american, but bernie sanders actually starting to creep up and tom steyer, who has invested a lot of money in south carolina, starting to come up and everyone else in single digits. it really shows you that these voters of color are the swing voters that make a difference in these states. the candidates like amy klobuchar and like pete buttigieg who have been unable to appeal to them, they don't go anywhere. >> yeah, i mean and we've seen it with the republican party is trying to offer money. like they are trying to make it rain on black voters because they realize there is power there. the democratic party has been chasing waterfalls going to try to appeal to these red states as tiffany mentioned, trying to swing other voters, but, no, you have a strong base here. with this increasing population

here in nevada with latinx voter, indigenous communities, black voters, you know where they are going to vote. they are not going to vote republican with any sort of predictability, so you might as well spend the resources where you get a better return. >> let's look at where we're going because the calendar is not friendly to the next set of people who are in the single digits right now because you've got super tuesday that's got 1344 -- this is a small number of delegates awarded today in comparison to california which by itself has 415 delegates. the super tuesday map is alabama, american samoa, arkansas, california, colorado, maine, massachusetts, minnesota, north carolina, oklahoma, tennessee, texas, utah, virginia, vermont, all at once. and i'll ask each of you starting with you, tiffany, for joe biden it's make or break, right? does he need to win south carolina to even be able to survive to super tuesday? >> it is do or die for joe biden. let me say quickly about the map.

you also have to remember those latinx voters in texas and north carolina. those are huge gets for the candidates. but to biden in south carolina i think biden's challenge has been really tom steyer because tom steyer has flooded south carolina with ads, ad buys and really a strong outreach to black voters. which has really syphoned a lot of biden support away. so what you could potentially see happening is sanders coming up right through the middle, winning south carolina potentially. so, you know, i hate to make predictions in this post-trump era, but that is a realistic possibility that people will have to consider. and i just want to say, joy, i think, you know, when we see kind of who is voting for sanders, his base, in the last segment you talked about as gen-x'ers and the hope we had, for younger people who will be casting ballots, a huge part of the constituency, obama was their floor, not their ceiling. they don't look at sanders as a huge threat to the american

experiment. they look at everything he is saying, all these big vast promises he is making as gettable. so, you know, i think they are going to have some influence over how his chances look when we get to super tuesday. >> yeah, depends if they vote on the same level who go to the polls every time. thank you both very much. more "p.m. joy" live from las vegas, including coverage of elizabeth warren. we are going to wait for her to pop up live in seattle. cologuard: colon cancer screening for people 45 plus at average risk. some things are harder than you thought. and others are easier. like screening for colon cancer with me, cologuard. i'm noninvasive and you use me at home. i'm also effective. i find 92% of colon cancers using dna in your stool. so why wait? cologuard is not for those at high risk for colon cancer.

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to support judges who respect privacy and democracy and to send mitch mcconnell into retirement. let's listen to what they have been telling us and support them from the top of the ticket. >> reminder to voters what's at stake after falling to fourth place in the nevada caucuses today. sanders is now pulling ahead of him in the total delegate count. nevada was the first diverse contest in this election with a nearly 30% latino or latinx population. it begs the question how will buttigieg fare in the next contest? south carolina one week from tonight. chief public affairs officer for move on.org and moving forward. adrian elrod, former senior advisor to the hillary clinton campaign. you're at the disadvantage of not being in vegas with us.

it strikes me, and i was saying to the ladies at the table, it strikes me as sort of odd as a note of inspiration, you know, get in there and scream for it. it is weird to hear pete buttigieg, who is running as the outsider, non-washington candidate, now make his sort of pitch, you know, let's make sure that we send the right politicians to washington. your thoughts? >> well, here is the thing, joy. it's do or die right now and he is trying to make that contrast with who is perceived right now or is, not even perceived, is the frontrunner, which is bernie sanders. here is the thing. i actually think like many of them have the electability argument. i don't think that's that. i think what he is doing is tapping into a potential fear, right, or a fear that you hear from the establishment of the down ballot races. it's kind of funny hearing that from that kind of contrast that he is making or argument he is making against bernie because pete buttigieg is the same person that wrote an essay

saying how great bernie was. we have to remember, when pete started this race, he started more of with a progressive voice and then he kind of flipped to this more moderate space trying to compete with biden. and so, i just want -- he needs to be very careful here because going to that kind of attack could hurt him and could not land very well. like i said, it's do or die. south carolina is next. he is not projected to do well. neither is amy because of the lack of support that they have from african-american communities and other diverse communities, and so he is trying to make that contrast, but it's going -- it's a tough one to make. >> yeah, it is difficult. in fairness to pete buttigieg, there is a fair amount of terror among democrats in states like texas where they are trying to flip that state blue, in places like colorado, which is a swing state, places like arizona where democrats are trying to pick up a senate seat, in florida,

people are saying, well, okay, the positive words about cuba, we're done here. so there is a fair amount of fear that sanders at the top of the ticket means doom below the ticket. >> yeah, you are starting to hear that, joy, now, from a lot of the candidates and from a lot of strategists. people are concerned. there is data that backs that up, that demonstrates that it will be a much more difficult time and task for some of these candidates, especially those seats that we won in 2018, those red to blue seats that we flipped, it's going to be that much harder. at this point with the data that we currently have. it's almost too late. we still got four candidates in that -- look, i keep saying the moderate wing with the party. some are pretty progressive. those four candidates that are -- but they are all competing for essentially the same electorate. if they are not hitting 15%, it doesn't matter. you might as well be at zero right now. a lot of people are trying to really understand, you know, people are -- a lot of my friends still who live in super

tuesday states are undecided trying to figure out who to vote for. at some point you have to sort of pick a horse. otherwise, you are going to keep a lot of these talented people under 15% and bernie is going to run away with more delegates, disproportionate to the amount of support he is getting. because he getting a larger share, he is obviously breaking 15% across the board. it will be that much harder to stop him. >> he would 30% his way all the way to the nomination. the thing about the modern democratic party is there is no grand poobah who can go to the amy klobuchars of the world or pete buttigieg and saying why don't you run for governor of indiana with all that money? and could move people -- and everyone in their own mind in in their ego believes they are one state away from taking this thing, you know, even when there has been no proof of concept among those two, klobuchar and buttigieg, to win african-american voters over. they have had a year to do it. they haven't been able to do it. there is no sign anyone's going to get out.

>> i have people in my own family, my father, why can't the democrats get it together? >> yeah. >> right? it's like why don't they all get in a room? and, i mean, for all of the grief the democratic party gets about trying to control the process, nobody is in charge but the voters and the candidates and they make these decisions. pete, i saw pete, i have been following him the last couple of days, and he has been really good. he has been fiery. he has been like a little crabby. there is an edge to him. he is like everyone is talking about who can beat bernie sanders. i don't know, how about me, the guy who is beating bernie sanders? but it was a good argument for him, which i think it's maybe better than going down like the technical route of down ballot, you know, arguments, but just so say i have -- you know, until today he could complain that he

could say that he actually had done it. he was actually beating him. like pete buttigieg isn't going to get out. like he was ahead as of yesterday. amy klobuchar thinks she is on the rise. warren just raised $14 million, she thinks she is on the rise. biden came in second or may come in second in this state and he thinks so, too. >> the problem for all of them is that winning in two overwhelmingly white states is telling you sort of the state of play of what white voters are sort of interested in. but the party itself is so dependent on voters of color that if you don't have proof of concept you can win them, your argument seems to be a lot weaker. the only ones who have some proof of concept of that really, you know, biden, bernie, and just at least anecdotally people are interested in bloomberg and steyer. >> yeah, no, that's exactly right. well, bloomberg and steyer are

spending billions of dollars -- not billions of dollars, but using their billions and spending hundreds of millions on air and being able to have that edge and get that name i.d. up and give some folks some interest as we've seen steyer doing in south carolina, which is, you know, in many ways has hurt biden and so we'll see what happens there. but, look, here's the problem when you look at pete buttigieg and amy. it's like you have got to do better with black voters. you have got to do better with the latinx community. like you said, joy, the base is diverse. and so i think that's why i get that pete is saying, hey, look at me, you know, i'm, you know, i am the one that's competing with sanders with delegates, but where is the support that extends outside of those two first very white states? that is just the reality of it. and so that is why people are kind of hesitant because we're not seeing that. we're not seeing that from either of them. and when you think about biden, who has had this strong support from black voters and now what bernie is able to do in this state tonight, that's impressive and that's what we need in this

contest, in this primary. >> yeah. absolutely. you know, there is also -- proof of concept, i have been saying it a lot. but for mayor pete, he did manage to sort of sweep -- there are sort of semi ties. which set him up as the maybe stop bernie sort of candidate. where is the proof of concept? he has won a mayor's race in terms of his past performance. where is the proof that he could help down ballot? that's the problem. >> that is the problem. that is exactly the problem. we know that we've got proof at this moment that bernie sanders being at the top of the ticket put some of these members of congress, the house in particular, and some of the senate races in jeopardy, but especially the members who won, flipped states red to blue in 2018. we don't have proof of concept that mayor pete can be the run,

the most electable one to take on -- or the one who can beat bernie and take on trump. we don't have that proof of concept at any point. again, i understand that candidates right now, the next ten days are going to tell us so much. i understand that candidates are recalibrating their message, where do they fit in the process, especially if nobody drops out after nevada and if we still had the same makeup of the race going to super tuesday, which i think is a possibility nobody drops out before super tuesday. could be wrong, but probably not. each of them is figuring out their own way and own rationale for remaining in this race. to say we've been talking about a lot today the more people who stay in this race on the moderate side, the more -- the better bernie sanders is going to do. his 30% that he is getting right now in the overall party could actually grow to 50 to 55% in the actual delegate lead. >> absolutely. and this is the other reason why you never want to call yourself the other sort of obama, the new

obama. a white candidate winning in majority white states is proof of nothing to black voters. it tells them nothing. and so if you don't start winning in diverse states, the reverse for mayor pete, the reverse for amy klobuchar. you don't have to prove to black voters you can win in iowa. barack obama was black. they were shocked that he won in iowa. and so that actually proved something significant. all that south carolina sees is a mostly white state picked mostly white guys. now bernie is winning a state that's diverse, it's a different message. we will keep you ladies around and we will talk with you in a moment. we are waiting on elizabeth warren. we are waiting for her to pop up on our screen doing her speech. stay right there. please have a cup of coffee and stay up with us. ♪ ♪

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random crowd. and it's in seattle? okay. welcome back. we are waiting for elizabeth warren. we're just sitting here, sort of chatting over the -- the empty podium. we're just waiting for elizabeth warren to bound up on to that stage and talk with her supporters and address them in seattle. she was expected to start speaking at 9:00 p.m. eastern, so we'll just keep on watching. we'll keep a look at it -- keep a look on it and we will jump over as soon as she appears. we are live in las vegas, however, with more coverage of the nevada caucuses and the projected winner, senator bernie sanders. my panel is back with me. we are the chatty crew. karine jean-pierre, adrienne

elrod. i feel bad that you're not here with us, karine. >> i know. >> well, we're going to talk with nina turner who is the campaign co-chair for senator sanders. what would you want to know from the campaign at this point? because there's been -- you know, today, senator sanders was trending with a text that said the republican establishment and the democratic establishment, here's a message to you. sort of a kind of, you know, sort of a negative kind of message at the two of them, including democrats. what do you -- what would you advise the sanders campaign to do if they are indeed the front-runner vis-a-vis the rest of the party? >> i think for me, the number one thing is we cannot re-litigate 2016. we have to come out of that. and look at what's ahead in 2020. and the fight that's ahead. and so a message of unifying would -- is going to be key here. and it has to come from bernie sanders. it has to come from the guy that

people, like you said, people follow and they're loyal to. i heard you say that earlier on in this hour. and so that is what i want to hear because we can't stay divided. we can't stay back in the past because donald trump is an existential threat and people know that, right? we look at polling after polling after polling. it tells us that people want to beat donald trump. but in order to do that, we need a coalition and we need to bring everyone together. so bernie, in this -- in this contest, he is showing, you know what, i'm expanding my base. he put an operation on the ground that was incredibly impressive. so now, how do you take it to the next step and have that conversation, have that real message of unifying and bringing people together? >> yeah, but the challenge and for the ladies here at the table, i'll start with you, adrienne. the problem is if bernie sanders starts making noises deflecting towards his establishment supporters well say wait a

minute. >> he may have this nomination locked up in the next few weeks so that is going to be the biggest challenge. not only being able to sort of moderate to, you know, being a formidable general election nominee. and i'm not saying that he couldn't be right now. but i am saying he will have some work to do, you know, more than likely in that regard. but also, to make sure that he is unifying the party. it's very important, you know, hillary clinton had to work hard to do that in 2016. and one of the things that we did, as you'll recall at the convention, is we had this big, unifying moment the first night of the convention. where, you know, we had, you know, the -- we had paul simon play. >> the first night of her -- >> yeah. and it's very important that the front-runner, the nominee, the person who is likely to lead the party against donald trump do that because we -- bernie sanders' campaign knows that he will not win without hillary clinton's supporters and voters in 2016. and he will also, if he plays this right, he will be able to bring along a whole new sector of voters. the people who vote -- who were

with him in 2016. some of them didn't vote in the 2016 general election. but he has brought a new group of people to the playing field in the party. so if he can keep the coalition together that hillary clinton built in the 2016 general election and then bring along these new people, he's going to be successful. but it's going to be on him, as karine just said, to do that. >> then-senator barack obama also ran as an outside candidate against the establishment that was sort of coalesced in advance around hillary clinton. he winds up getting the nomination. he had to do the same thing. so to talk a little bit about the tricky sort of act of trying to make that happen. >> how you put it -- >> nasty primary. >> it was a -- 2008 was a pretty nasty primary. as a matter of fact, i watched south carolina debate between clinton and obama and it was comical how nasty it was. it was like -- it was like actually worse than pete and amy. and they managed to come back

together. but the one, you know, cautionary note i would say is that even though they fought a lot, clinton and obama were not that far apart ideologically. and we have a bigger ideological rift here. so bringing, you know, what we found in '16 was trying to bring that together in philadelphia at our convention. even with senator sanders trying to help us do that and working with the staff behind the scenes, it was a really ruckus, rough couple of days. even with sanders supporting us, didn't want to let go. and so that's -- you know, it's -- it's a big piece of business to put that together. and i know people like faiz shakir are worried about that. i know that is very much on his mind about how you keep the door open to bring everybody together. >> absolutely. and, karine jean-pierre, you worked on the obama campaign in 2008. the other trick then-senator obama had to do was try to get young voters, who get really enthusiastic about a candidate. and got really passionate.

you know, his speech yes we can became a hit song on youtube. and people were quoting along to this speech that was set to will.i.am. and so this is also the challenge for sanders is getting people -- they've done it now in this one state. how do you translate that passion among younger, 17 to 29-year-olds, into actual votes? >> yeah. i mean, what president obama, then-senator obama was able to do, he created this movement, right? this movement that inspired young people. that activated young people. and that he brought them along. he brought them along into -- into a movement that he made them believe could change their lives if we all did it together. and he didn't do it just with young people. he did it with african-americans. he did it with latinos. i mean, he built this coalition. i mean, look, we're not going to get another barack obama. he is a once in a lifetime, once in our generation.

so i am not saying you have to be barack obama. but there is -- like i think you said this earlier. like, having the mechanism and the passion and bringing that together. that is key in what we need to do in 2020. but i will say this, joy. i think -- i think if you look at 2018, if you look at young people and how they turned out in really high numbers in that midterm election, that is encouraging, right? and they did that then. we're hoping they'll do this in the primary and we'll get them back again in the general election. but i think there is some positive light. and i think this is why i was saying the unification, the unifying language is so, so important. because people are angry. people are ready. people are scared. now, you just have to bring everyone together. and that's what the nominee is going to have to do. can they build that movement and bring people together? because it's going to take a movement to beat donald trump. >> well, and then here is the challenge.

this is a double challenge, then, for senator sanders. it's one thing to have a regular order democrat, even if he is a black senator named barack obama. he is still a democrat. now, what you are talking about is trying to unify not just passionate young people who are open to socialism. but trying to unify them with people who are either terrified of socialism or deeply opposed to it. capitalists. people who say i don't want that. how do you do that? >> like my dad in arkansas. >> yeah. >> this is going to be incumbent on bernie sanders to make that -- to sort of make that argument and be able to build his coalition. but i also think you will see, if he is the nominee, we don't have a floor fight. even if we do have a floor fight and he is the nominee after the floor fight, i think you will see the party apparatus unite behind him. president obama. first lady michelle obama. the clintons. you will see people who come together because they know how much is at stake. that we have got to make sure that we defeat donald trump. and that will help sort of normalize things and maybe make feel a little better about this. but still, you're not going to

change the fundamentals. there are a lot of people out there who do not support socialism. there are a lot of capitalists out there. and he is going to have to reconcile it and present it to voters who are on the fence and figure out how to bring that coalition together. voters whoe on the fence and figure out how to bring that coalition together. >> yeah, and you know better than most that -- both of you do. that he'd have to also do that fighting a russian attack that will weaponize every piece of tape on him ever praising fidel castro and weaponize it, feed it over and over and over to your dad. he's going to have to do it against donald trump that knows no bounds of law or propriety, will do anything to win, who's got foreign countries helping him. it's a lot more than just normal politics that he has to accomplish. >> so many forces that you face in the -- you know, there's not a domestic political scene anymore. it's a global political scene with foreign actors weighing in. and there's just so many layers of it. it does -- it actually is mind-blowing.