change the fundamentals. there are a lot of people out there who do not support socialism. there are a lot of capitalists out there. and he is going to have to reconcile it and present it to voters who are on the fence and figure out how to bring that coalition together. voters whoe on the fence and figure out how to bring that coalition together. >> yeah, and you know better than most that -- both of you do. that he'd have to also do that fighting a russian attack that will weaponize every piece of tape on him ever praising fidel castro and weaponize it, feed it over and over and over to your dad. he's going to have to do it against donald trump that knows no bounds of law or propriety, will do anything to win, who's got foreign countries helping him. it's a lot more than just normal politics that he has to accomplish. >> so many forces that you face in the -- you know, there's not a domestic political scene anymore. it's a global political scene with foreign actors weighing in. and there's just so many layers of it. it does -- it actually is mind-blowing. like it's wild to wrap your head

around all of the different aspects of it. the one thing i think he may be able to do, it may be that his supporters -- i think his supporters have a lot of faith in him and trust him. so when he tries to reach out to the middle, something that he, you know, does, if sanders is the nominee, i think his base will probably give him the room to do it. i think they trust him enough, they believe in -- you know, what do you hear senator sanders' supporters say all the time? he's been saying the same thing for 40 years. they really -- he's consistent. he may find that his supporters will back him up no matter what he does. >> i'm going to interrupt you only because senator elizabeth warren is now taking the stage in seattle. let's take a listen to her rally. ♪ waiting for the day my ship will come in ♪ >> hello seattle!

wow. i think seattle is ready for some big structural change. and before we get started i've got a word tonight from nevada. thank you for keeping me in the fight. the race has been called. bernie has won. congratulations, bernie. but i want to tell you something else that's going on. since wednesday night -- [ cheers and applause ] since wednesday night our support has been growing everywhere. since -- since i stepped on that

stage a quarter of a million people have gone to elizabethwarren.com and pitched in their 25 bucks. in three days people have contributed $9 million to this campaign. so join them. go to elizabethwarren.com. be part of this fight. that's how we're going to get this done. we have a lot of states to go. and right now i can feel the momentum. so let's stay in this fight. you know, because i'm here in washington i want to talk specifically for just a minute at the top about a threat that is coming our way. and it's a big threat. not a tall one but a big one. michael bloomberg.

now, this is -- this is important to pay attention to now. because he has skipped the first four states and he plans to come in on super tuesday and immediately afterwards, here in washington, drop hundreds of millions of dollars and buy this election. he argues that he is the safest bet to beat donald trump. he's not safe. he's just rich. and here's the problem. he's hiding his taxes. he doesn't want you to see them until after the election. who knows what lurks there? he has a history now of harassing women. and of gender discrimination. and he has defended racist

policies, like redlining and stop-and-frisk. so let's think about that. billionaire who hides his taxes. has a bad history with women, and defends racist policies. let me just put it this way. we're not substituting one arrogant billionaire for another in 2020. because here's the thing. michael bloomberg is not the safest candidate. michael bloomberg is the riskiest candidate for the democrats because he cannot win against donald trump. this election is not for sale. we are going to make this election about democracy. about you. that's what this is about. so understand this.

you bet. why i am in this fight. now, look. i am not a lifelong politician. but i am a lifelong fighter. i come by it natural. i was born and raised in oklahoma. i have -- i have three much older brothers. i learned early, fight for your place in a family like that. but i'm a kid who watched early on as our family had a lot of ups and downs. and when my daddy got sick and we went a long, long time without money coming in, i watched when the family station wagon, we lost it. i listened to my mother cry at nights. and i remember when we were right on the edge of losing our home. but you know what i remember

best about that? i remember the day i stood in the doorway and watched as my mother paced back and forth. she had her slip on, her stocking feet, best dress laid out on the bed. she was 50 years old. she'd never worked outside the home and she was terrified. but we were about on the edge of losing our house. and my mother stood there. she looked at me. she looked at that dress. she looked back at me. she walked over, pulled that dress on, and walked to the sears and got a minimum-wage job answering phones. my mother saved our home. and, more importantly, she saved our family. she taught me how to fight from an early age. fight for the people you love. >> all right. that was elizabeth warren and she is speaking in seattle after today's nevada caucuses earlier tonight. we did have to interrupt vice

president joe biden as he was addressing supporters and i promise you we will play his speech in its entirety at 11:15 p.m. standard time. but tonight was really all about senator bernie sanders, who had a decisive victory here in nevada. joining me now is nina turner, the national co-chair of the bernie sanders campaign. and i've known nina for a long time. it's quite a long time. >> yes. >> so congratulations, first of all. >> thank you. >> this was a decisive victory. this was not like iowa and new hampshire where it was like a little bit of a tie, little bit of a win. this was a decisive win. >> absolutely. >> and, you know, i wanted to let that play just a little bit what senator warren was saying. because as i was thinking about, you know, where this seemed to be going in terms of senator sanders doing so well here in nevada in a state with not only a lot of latin x, lot of black, lot of aapi people but also a lot of hard-working people who are of low wealth. people who work for a little bit of money. she talked about her mom having

to save the family at age 50 and go back to work. she tells this story that is really moving about want. >> very. >> and when we are living in a country where people are feeling such deep want and watching such exorbitant, ridiculous wealth on the other side of where they live, you get the kind of anger. you get the kind of rage. >> visceral. >> it's visceral that you see with the sanders campaign. is that the reason why he was able to perform so well here? >> the senator is tapping into the real feelings and the real realities of everyday people in this country. far too often, we judge the wealth and the health of this nation based on what's happening on wall street. but we lose sight of what's happening on main street. and it's not that this has been happening for five years, ten years. this has been happening for decade after decade after decade. and now the pressure is on. there's too much pressure. and people are starting to say i jut can't take this anymore and is there a better way? and senator sanders is saying yes. >> he sorted formed a real movement around -- around this idea. and the -- why do you think it is so resonant in particular -- i'm going to look at these

numbers again with -- with latin x voters, it's overwhelming. it's 54% for sanders here. according to the entrance polls going into the vote today, for african-american voters, it's closer with biden. biden is slightly ahead because i think particularly older, african-american voters are really still connected to the former vice president because he was -- you know, he was barack obama's guy. so i think he is still hanging on to older voters. but younger black voters are really with senator sanders. and among white voters sanders at 30%. so you do have a working-class base you are working with. >> you do. and that's the narrative, joy. that is the narrative. a working class narrative. and senator sanders was able to tap into that the first time around. i think his message was permeating in 2016. now, people are marrying the man with the message. and not just to defeat president donald j. trump. but he has a vision that he is putting forward. >> i'm glad that you said that because i want to now talk -- you used to be a politician.

you were a state senator in ohio when i met you. people used to mistake us for each other at the airport. and -- and so you know what politics is like. it's part passion. it's part mechanics. >> that's right. art and science. >> it's art and science. and the sanders campaign has the passion. no doubt about that. it is -- it is not a majority right now of the democratic party. but it's a solid minority. it's enough to get -- probably to get him a nomination. the mechanics of it are that you really need to win the 65 million people who won -- who voted for hillary clinton in 2016. and add about 100,000 more. even 78,000 more, you win. you flip three states but you win her base as a -- as a grounding point. senator sanders, sometimes it does feel to people who are outside of the movement, like the sanders movement is anti-democratic party. that it is not just anti-exorbitant wealth, anti-plutocracy, anti-want, anti-hunger and that kind of thing but it's also

anti-democratic party. i don't know if he tweeted or maybe a staffer that tweeted under his account. "i've got news for republican establishment, i've got news for the democratic establishment. they can't stop us." that trended all day. who does the sanders campaign think the establishment is? who do they mean? >> the senator talks a lot about the elites of both parties. in other words, the people who hold the most political power, not just, you know, exorbitant wealth, but power, have an obligation to the people of this nation. >> but doesn't senator sanders hold power? he's been a senator for 30-plus years. >> yes, but he's also been the person hashtag receipts roll the tape, who has been consistently throughout his life and his career fighting on the side of the least of these -- >> but would you argue with the idea that he is part of the establishment? he is a united states senator, which is one of the most powerful jobs. there are only 100 of them. he is a wealthy man. so he has economic power. and he is a part of the -- even though he's not a democrat, he caucuses with the party. he is part of the establishment. why go after people who he needs? doesn't he want these people to

vote for him? >> he -- listen. all across this country when we travel, people don't ask about whether or not you're a democrat or republican. they want to know whether you're going to stand up for them. those are not the questions -- inside the beltway we have those kinds of conversations about who is a democrat, who's a republican. but as we can see from his wins in iowa, new hampshire, and now in nevada, people don't care whether or not you are that. >> and here is a problem. really quickly, i know i'm getting -- i want to talk to you just for a few more minutes. here is the challenge for a lot of people that are seeing senator sanders sort of the train coming down the station. if it is not important to senator sanders whether you are a democrat or republican, that does not say to me that he is going to register democratic voters. that does not say to me that he is going to care whether democratic senators get elected or non-democratic senators get elected. >> i disagree with that, joy. >> or he's going to care -- >> he does care. he has an agenda. not only does he caucus with the democrats and have caucused the entire time he's been in the

congress, he is a leader within the u.s. senate. go to the u.s. senate web page. >> and he's going to register democratic voters? as democrats. >> that's what we're doing right now. expanding the base. >> don't leave. stay with me. we have to go back to a little bit more of senator warren. let's listen to that. and then we'll come back to you. don't go. >> okay. >> we've got a lot that we need to get done. it is time for a wealth tax in america. [ cheers and applause ] [ crowd chanting "two cents" ] it is time to take on the fight against climate change. we need a green new deal and a

blue new deal. it is time to take on gun violence in this country. and it is time to create a pathway to citizenship for all of our people. these are fundamental, fundamental values that all but the question has to be not just what we fight for but what is our plan to get it done? there is no magic wand here. this is going to be about hard work. but it's also going to be about having a strategy. and here's a difference.

people ask me about differences between bernie and me. i want to point out one big one. and that is, you want to get something done, bernie says we're going to keep the filibuster. i say mitch mcconnell is not going to get a veto over what we want to do. yep. yep. look at it this way. if we keep the filibuster, everything we need to get done has to pass a 60-vote threshold. that gives a veto to mitch mcconnell, to the republicans, to the gun industry, to the oil industry, to the billionaires. i say we go to washington to do the people's business. if mitch mcconnell gets in the way, get rid of the filibuster and let's go. [ cheers and applause ]

because understand this. i'm not in this fight to talk about change. i am in this fight to make change! [ cheers and applause ] >> okay. i am still here with nina turner, who is the national co-chair of the bernie sanders campaign. that of course was elizabeth warren. she was in seattle, washington, giving a speech to her supporters. and she is staying in this fight. obviously, one of the things that senator warren was able to do in the -- in the debate. the debate we just saw. the nbc debate. was to just disembowel michael bloomberg. but he's still out there. what is the campaign's thoughts about how much of a threat he might be going forward once he's actually playing on the ballot?

>> well, he has the money to. and i agree with senator warren. i've been saying this over and over again. that we cannot allow -- and i mean the collective we, not how you roll in terms of your party. but let's look at ourselves as a representative democracy. do we want billionaires to be able to buy elections? and that is exactly what michael bloomberg is doing. he did say don't worry about iowa. don't worry about new hampshire. had the nerve to get on the stage in nevada. not even on the ballot in nevada. it is wrong for our democracy, and we do need true campaign finance reform. what we are going to do is continue to roll with the people. we will have enough money to compete. >> you guys have an atm machine called the movement. talk to now democrats who are panicking right now. and you know, as well as i know, you know as many democrats as i do that are saying, oh my god, we can't align ourselves with a socialist. we're going to lose. we're going to lose to trump and we're going lose the house.

we're not going to get the senate. >> he's not a socialist. he is a democratic socialist. there is a difference. government of the people, by the people, and for the people. he is an fdr democrat. >> why wouldn't he call himself that? could he call himself that? >> the senator -- he talks -- democratic socialist. and you know and i know the senator is a man of integrity. so he's not just going to change because people want to make -- >> brand name. >> right. so fdr. you know, in 1944 fdr put forward the economic bill of rights. senator sanders has taken that as a foundation and expanded it. what has he put there? true moral immigration reform. true criminal justice reform. making sure we have a green new deal. dealing with a legal system that is unjust, as you and i know. that is very much racialized where black and brown people and indigenous people suffer disproportionately. especially black men. he has expanded that. so he's an fdr -- >> is he going to -- do you believe that down-ballot democrats, i'm thinking about those 40 house seats that were

flipped by democrats, they flipped republican seats-r they going to want to run with senator sanders by their side? >> yes, i would hope so because what the people in these states so far are saying, that senator bernie sanders is the one that will change their material conditions. and if we all roll the same way, democrats will be able to sweep that congress and do something mighty for the people of this nation. >> are you concerned we now know russia is back at it? they are coming into our congressional races. they're trying to help donald trump. they also are playing a game with the sanders campaign. they did it in 2016. they're doing it again. the idea is to make sanders voters disaffected. to stay home and not vote if he is not the nominee or even if he is the nominee to use whatever they can dig up against him. is the campaign prepared for the praise of cuba stuff? the praise of ussr stuff? that's coming from trump or from russia. >> well, we know that who benefits the most from this and who loses the most, american people lose because distention and tension that russia is buildingp in our electorate,

per usual. but who wins is president donald j. trump. he wins when there is distention and tension in this race. this lays directly at his feet. as you know, the house passed hr1, which had protections in it for election protection and security. and mitch mcconnell and his senate will not pass. and senator sanders has been very clear. putin don't play these games with me because under my watch, i won't tolerate it. >> and does senator sanders want hillary clinton's support and her supporters? >> i think the question -- senator sanders wantsd all supporters. >> including clinton's? >> but the question becomes, joy ann reid, whether or not secretary clinton wants to support senator sanitiers. not the other way around. >> there is a take-the-knee vibe that people really reject as democrats. the idea that they're just going to take the knee to this movement that is not led by a democrat. there has to be some conciliation both ways. >> listen. reconciliation both ways. i don't see it as a take the knee.

i see it as take this country back from the worst president in modern history. and i would hope that secretary clinton and senator sanders could come together on that. >> nina turner. >> yes. >> my friend, thank you very much. it's always good to see you. thank you so much for being here. and i think we're going to take a quick break. nina turner, thank you very much. we've got to let her go off to the victory party. i'm sure they are going to have a great one here tonight in vegas. tonight has been all about nevada. but the south carolina primary, that is coming up. just a week away if you can believe that. i will talk with tom steyer about the make-or-break investment that he is making in the palmetto state. more "p.m. joy" live from las vegas next.

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vo:for president.ver that's mike bloomberg. a middle class kid who built a global company from scratch. mayor of new york, rebuilding the city after the 9-11 terrorist attack, creating 450,000 jobs. running for president - and on a roll. workable plans to deliver on better health care. affordable college. job creation. common sense plans to beat trump, fix the chaos in washington, and get things done.

mike: i'm mike bloomberg and i approve this message. we are the outsiders. you got to know it. there is an inside group in the democratic party in washington, d.c. and the last thing that they want to see is a bunch of ragtag people from nevada taking over the democratic party in the country. and i have been saying all along, we're going to take the

power back and send it out to the people of the united states. this is our one chance. >> as big as bernie's win was tonight, there was one thing that is still bigger. and that is tom steyer's money. steyer's personal fortune has lined his campaign coffers to such an extent that he's been able to stay in the race despite meet yolkar showings in iowa, new hampshire, and presumably nevada. there's a new poll in south carolina showing steyer does have some momentum there. but is it enough to overcome bernie sanders' lead? i'll ask him right now. >> hey, joy, nice to see you. >> nice to see you too. approximately how much money have you spent so far on your race? >> honest to god, joy, i'm not 100% sure. >> but it's more than a few million. >> yes. >> and you've not won a delegate yet. >> well, let's see what happens tonight. >> okay. it doesn't look likely. our nbc news projections don't make it appear likely. at what point do you say -- you're a businessman. do you say this investment is no longer viable. i'm getting out.

>> look, let's -- i think i'm going to do better than you think i'm going to do today in nevada. i think i'm going to do well in south carolina. i think we're just starting to get to the diverse part of the electorate. i think i'm going to do a lot better with black people, latinos, asian-americans, native americans. so i'm sitting here thinking, you know what, we're just starting to get going. we're going to have a really good week next week in south carolina and then we're going to hit super tuesday. >> let me show you a couple polls. the first is a winthrop university poll from february 9th through 19. it shows joe biden, who's been at the top of a lot of these races when it comes to places with a lot of particularly african-americans. bernie sanders is second. you are third at the moment. twice as many as pete buttigieg and then goes down from there. among african-american voters, you are again at third at 15%. here's the thing that's happening in the race, is that you have bernie sanders and you have everybody else. if everybody else says in and everyone else refuses to get out, at a certain point there is no way to stop bernie sanders from being the nominee.

by staying in the race are people like yourself, people like mayor pete, people like amy klobuchar, people who are not proving to be able to win outright in one of these elections, you're polling third right now, aren't you just ensuring that senator sanders is the nominee? >> look, if i don't think i can win, joy, i won't keep going. i think i can do really well in south carolina. >> okay. >> i think i can do really well going forward. i -- i do. and if i didn't think that, i wouldn't keep going. and the minute i don't think that, i'll stop. >> okay. and for you, is south carolina that point where you start to re-evaluate? >> south carolina is a really important state. no question. >> i think what a lot of people -- when i hear people talk about you, first of all, they see your ads. they like the fact that you're talking very openly about issues that face black voters. but they also say to themselves, boy, wouldn't that money have been better spent in a lot of ways? trying to help one of the other nominees, who is more viable at least in the polls. or trying to put that money into senate races? what do you say to people who

say that? >> i say i am also doing that, joy. as you know, i've started one of the biggest grassroots organizations in the united states, next gen america. next-gen did the biggest youth voter mobilization in american history in 2018. and it's proceeding along without me running it but with me supporting it right now. so for everybody who says you should be doing grassroots voter mobilization it's like, well, actually, i'm the person who's doing the most grassroots voter mobilization in america. and people say you should be knocking on doors. it's like, well, actually, we've knocked on 25 million doors in the last two cycles and we're doing that too. so it's kind of like, well, all the things that people think i should be doing, i am doing. >> i'm getting all the elephants in the room. even though this is the democratic party. it's a little bit ironic. but i am going to do all the elephants. >> the donkeys in the room. >> okay. the donkeys in the room. the other donkey in the room for a lot of people is in south carolina, there is a sense that you're -- bloomberg too. that you're using your money to sort of, you me -- and i think it's unfair to say that people

are bought off to be on someone's campaign. but they're saying, you know, let me give this local politician a lot of money and then they'll stump for me, whether or not they really believe in my platform that's what they're doing. that's a perception some people have in south carolina. >> look, some people have said that and the legislative black caucus has come out and said that's racist. in fact, what we know from doing grassroots organizing for over a decade is if you want to organize in the community, if you are asking a professional person to take their time and professionally work for the campaign and go into the community, you have to pay them. one of the things you should know, joy, we are the biggest youth voter mobilization in the united states. we pay the kids. they are working 20 hours a week. >> oh, you've got to pay the campaign staffers. >> but i'm just saying if you don't pay those kids, they have to work in the dining hall and then you get kids who don't need to be paid. i think it's actually unfair to say you have people who are working in the african-american community who should work for free when they're doing a job. you know, i think that's what the legislative black caucus came out and said. that's a racist thing to say.

>> the third -- the third donkey in the room is they ask themselves, you know, this guy started running this need to impeach campaign. you know, a couple years -- maybe a year -- a year or a little more -- >> october of 2017. >> of 2017. and they said maybe he just did that so he could run for president. >> let me say this, joy. over ten years ago i started running campaigns on climate. over ten years ago, i was fighting oil companies to stand up for green energy. i have been fighting tobacco companies to get them to pay their fair share of healthcare costs in california to the tune of 3 or 4 billion dollars. i closed a billion-dollar tax loophole, corporate tax loophole in 2012 and gave it to the public schools. i have a record for 35 years of standing up for people and fighting corporations. so let me just say, standing up against the most corrupt president in the united states of america, doing what's right, all of a sudden has to be self-serving?

no. what i saw was a political class that refused to stand up against the most corrupt president in america. that needed 8 1/2 million americans to explain the difference between political tactics and right and wrong. so i -- if you will excuse my saying so, what i think is going on is i have a history over 35 years of fighting for what's right, whatever it takes. and if it means i have to give my time, fine. if i have to put all my energy, fine. if i have to spend a bunch of money, fine because i actually really care about the outcomes. in fact, if you look at what i have stood up for, i've been right every single time. and i have been standing up for the people against the corporations for 35 years. >> and you have been able to do that because you have the largesse to be able to do it -- >> that's not fair. i put in my time and effort, too. >> i get it. and there is a long history of affluent americans, you know, going back to fdr who did a lot to help a lot of people. even though he was a very wealthy man. the kennedys, et cetera. in and of itself -- you know, i'm a capitalist. i believe that people should be

able to do well and it is a good thing for people to be philanthropists. however, the argument that the sanders sort of world is making is that we live in a country where there are billionaires, there are people like yourself. and there are people who can't even afford their insulin and that the gap between them has gotten wider and wider and wider and wider. wait a minute. and their argument is that if somebody can bypass -- you are one of the largest democratic donors, if not the biggest donor. if you can go from being the donor to being candidate, we may never be able to have a non-billionaire president ever again. billionaires are saying i'm going to bypass consultants. >> here's what i would say, joy. i have ten years of beating corporations and i have never lost. i believe that, in fact, the example you are using shows corporations own the american government. so if you believe corporations have bought the government, which is actually what's happened, not the millionaires and billionaires.

the corporations. if you believe that, and i know it's true and i think everybody in america really knows it's true. you have to ask who is going to take them out? someone who has won every single time in fights against them. in big, public fights. or somebody who is from washington, d.c., who is a career politician who actually is part of the system? i am argue very strenuously if you want to beat those corporations, then get somebody from the grassroots who's taken them on for a decade and never lost. somebody who is an outsider who the political system doesn't want to see but who's actually taken on the president, who's taken on the corporations, who's willing to tell the truth no matter what. >> do you think there should be a wealth tax on people like yourself? >> i proposed it a year and a half ago. all the people running for president. i'm not sure i was the first but if i wasn't the first i was the second. i think there should a wealth tax. i would take away all the tax giveaways. and i believe that we should treat investment income exactly on the same schedule as earned income. and i have a 10% tax cut for anybody who makes less than 250,000 bucks. i have been saying this for a long time.

>> i think it would take 64,000 of yous to make a michael bloomberg. so you're not as exorbitant a billionaire as he is. however, michael bloomberg has said if he is not the nominee, he'll spend a billion or more, whatever it takes, in order to beat donald trump if he's not the nominee. are you willing to say the same thing? >> listen. i've been doing stuff on this for years and decades. no, am i going to do what michael bloomberg says? no. i'm not going to be bound by whatever michael bloomberg said. i've been doing the right thing for a long time. you know, i don't have any questions about whether, in fact, i'm standing up for what's right. i know i'm standing up for what's right. if you ask me am i going to continue to be all in for the fight for social, racial, and economic justice? of course, i am. i'm the person in this -- the only person running for president who says that climate's the number one priority. and i'll do it from the standpoint of environmental justice. other people can say it. i've done it for more than a decade. >> so you will keep spending on this race even if you are not the nominee? what if it's bernie sanders? >> i'm not one of the people who is saying anybody but bernie. i've said repeatedly i'm not in

that camp. i am supporting whoever the democrat is period. everybody on this stage is a million times better than the crook in the white house. >> are you going to get on the next debate stage? >> yes. >> do you think you will have enough polls to get on? >> i think there's supposed to be another poll tomorrow. i would have made it if they'd run polls this time. >> what would you say if elizabeth warren made the argument to you that just the existence of billionaires and if bernie sanders made the argument is proof that the system is failing in the united states? >> what would i say to that? >> yeah. >> baloney. look, we have the most competitive, hardworking, ambitious people in the world. do i think i'd change the tax code? i just told you i'd change it in every single way. would i double the minimum wage? i absolutely would. would i rebuild the union movement in every way i could? absolutely. do i think that income inequality is unjust and unamerican? absolutely. do i think the wealth inequality is injust? ridiculously so. but am i going to tell a 12-year-old kid that he or she

has a limit on what they can make? there's a limit on their ambitions? heck no. we are the most ambitious country in the world. i'm not going to tell little kids you can't succeed. everyone in this country wants to succeed and i say go get 'em. >> tom steyer, good luck. we are waiting for final results to come in. good luck to you. and i'll see you in south carolina. >> great. looking forward to it. >> more a.m. joy -- more "p.m. joy." sorry. i've got the wrong time of day because i've been awake so long. more of this live from las vegas next. ♪ ♪ no matter how you stay fit keep it light with light & fit's 12 grams of protein and 80 calories. ♪ ♪ big thing i recently learned as a parent? baby's skin is absorbent. her skin could actually soak up wetness her diaper doesn't. that's gross. that's why i use pampers. pampers absorbs quickly to trap and lock wetness away.

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we are better and stronger and more human when we reach out with compassion. when we understand that we are in this together. that every family here, every family in america, has its problems. and that we are strong when we stand together. when my family cares about your family. when your family cares about my family. that is the kind of america. >> it has been a big night for bernie sanders here in nevada as he claims a decisive victory in the caucuses in this state. let's get some final thoughts from our panel. joining me now is senior advisor to hillary clinton's campaign, adrienne elrod. former white house communications director for the obama administration, jennifer palmieri. and oont anton gunn, former state representative from the south carolina. he is also the author of the book "the presidential

principles." uh-oh, you got a book. that means you have to answer all the questions for us, anton. i'm coming to you first. i'm going in. senator sanders has had a big win here in nevada. can he win south carolina? >> well, that remains to be seen. and let me tell you why i think it's important for us to just kind of pump the brakes a little bit. i mean, we only have had three races so far. the first four states are only 4% of the total delegate count. and what i am excited about, that i believe that the primary will start in south carolina. the whole process will start in south carolina because this is the first state we have an open primary where more -- most of the electorate will be diverse. i mean, we have a million nonwhite registered voters in south carolina. so whoever does well here in south carolina, puts themself in the best position to do well on super tuesday, which we all know is a very important day for us to allocate a lot of these delegates. so i think senator sanders has done well in nevada and, you know, buttigieg has done well in -- in iowa.

so we have had a lot of -- a mixed bag. but, again, i think we should just pump the brakes a little bit in crowning people the nominee because there is a long road ahead. and it really starts here in south carolina. >> and i think that's fair. i, in the past, have called south carolina the campaign killer because you -- you think you're doing great until you get down there and the church ladies just clobber you and then it's all of a sudden over. you know, and i want to just ask you about the sort of demographics of that vote. it's about 60%, we know, african-american at least from past experience. but inside of that cohort, how much of that is under 30? because with senator sanders, what he's been able to do is carve out the under 30 african-american vote, along with the young, latino vote, which is a young vote anyway overall. but that vote has not, at least in my past experience, come out in huge numbers on election day to vote. how much of that electorate do you expect to be under 30 and african-american? >> so i think it'll be kind of similar representative to what you have seen.

this is what we know. south carolina voters skew older. they're more likely, the base of the democratic party. they show up every election. don't miss an election. don't take time off. it doesn't matter what's going on. these voters will always vote. you'll have your young people vote but it won't be the majority of the electorate. we all know that in south carolina, black women rule the day. and i think black women, 35 to 50, is going to rule the day on the electorate. so whoever can win that demographic, i think puts themself in the best chance. and if you look at where the candidates are in the race right now, you know, joe biden, who enjoyed a whole lot of early support. i really believe that tom steyer, in his grassroots efforts in the state, has taken away a lot of the base of support joe biden had started off with. so we'll see some different outcomes, i believe, in south carolina than we've seen in

other places. and it'll give us the opportunity to really see how a nominee might play to the most diverse primary electorate thus far in the race process. and so i think we should all just be excited about it. get your popcorn ready. everybody needs to focus on south carolina because this will be the door to the nomination process. that's my belief. >> anton, you can't pump the brakes and eat popcorn. that is not a safe way to drive. i'm going to come back to the ladies at the table of the but i take your point. there is a possibility. and i thought this, too. i'll start with you, adrienne. that you could see older african-american women voters. the church hat-wearing voters, stop this whole thing cold. you just don't know what's going to happen. >> you don't know what's going to happen. and i'm glad that anton reminded all of us that i think it's about 4 1/2% of the entire delegates are awarded in the first four states. so we are still -- i think one of the reasons we're projecting bernie sanders could be the nominee is because we still see so many other candidates in the race sort of dividing that vote. but african-american women, black women have in the past decided who the nominee is. and if they come out in full

support for joe biden, tom steyer, you know, perhaps bernie sanders even, i mean, they are going to have a major, major sway in that election. of course, jennifer and i remember very distinctly four years ago in nevada when we -- i mean, we were kind of surprised that we won nevada because it is a caucus and bernie does well in caucuses. so we were real excited about that. and then of course that momentum rode us into south carolina where we had a resounding victory. and it really sort of injected the lifeblood back into our campaign after iowa and new hampshire, a poor performance in new hampshire. so we're still -- i mean, we have been talking a lot today about bernie sanders. but we still have some states in front of us that are going to be determinative in this process. >> and i wonder, you guys went through the -- i was just there to observe it as a journalist but the convention was a lot. the 2016 convention there was a lot of anger. there's still a lot of anger over it. and i wonder what happens if older voters, particularly older african-american voters, do what

they did in 2016, which is to tell the senator sanders movement no, we're not doing, that we're going to go with the safe candidate we know. and in this case that would have been like a biden. or i increasingly see black women saying i only want bloomberg to be the nominee. if that were to happen at convention -- you're already sighing. deep breaths. what could happen? >> i feel like it's going to be -- the '16 convention is child's play compared to what could unfold in milwaukee for sure. i don't know. every candidate on the debate the other night, chuck todd asked them that question. if the candidate goes into milwaukee and has a plurality of delegates but not 1,991, the magic number, should they become the nominee? and each person besides bernie said no. that meant everybody is saying we're going all the way to milwaukee. i'm holding on to my delegates. and, you know, that is -- i mean those are the rules. the rules are that it does not

get decided until the convention. you have to have 1,991. then if you go to a second ballot, it goes from there. once super delegates start to vote. so it could happen. it would be a very unfortunate thing, i think, to have that kind of convention. and anything can happen, and south carolina is a very interesting state. it's -- you know, it kind of -- its politics are pretty isolated, you know. it like keeps its own counsel. it's definitely its own thing. it will pay attention to what happened in nevada, but you have to earn your support there. so i think it's very unpredictable. i think sanders could win it. i think biden could win it. but then -- but super tuesday is three days away. >> it's right afterwards. >> i'm not sure in the end how much south carolina may indicate to us what's going to happen on super tuesday. >> yeah. >> but you're not going to be able to get a lot of momentum out of it.

>> and you have to win it to get any money to go on. anton, i don't know if you had a chance to listen to or hear my interview with nina turner, who is also a former state legislator. she was a former state senator in ohio. and, you know, she was trying to make the case that there could be unity even if people don't necessarily agree with democratic socialism around sort of an fdr agenda that down-ballot candidates could still embrace even if they reject the idea of socialism in and of itself. how did that ring to you, and do you believe that there is a potentially unifying message that the sanders campaign could put forward that people would believe, that black voters will believe, that south carolinians will believe? >> joy, you raised the most important point i've been thinking about is what does a nominee mean for down-ballot races. i'm in charleston county where i live. we're five seats away from taking back the state senate. so if i'm a state senate candidate in south carolina, i'm asking the question, who do i want to be at the top of the

ticket? who has a unifying message that can help me reach persuadable voters, moderate voters, voters who i'm going to need to actually win so we can actually have some democratic representation in the state senate, some control there? so the question is, is what you asked nina, is there a unifying message? i know i haven't heard it yet. not saying that it's not going to be there, but i haven't heard it yet. and what i've heard is kind of concerning to a lot of voters in south carolina. it's not necessarily off the table, but people are concerned about what's going to be the case for down-ballot races in charleston county right here where it matters more. to the point i heard earlier about super tuesday, south carolina will be a window into super tuesday, but we know there's an "x" factor out there in super tuesday, and his name is michael bloomberg. he's spent like $169 million in super tuesday states. bernie sanders has spent about $40 million, and joe biden has yet to spend anything. so we'll have a window, but i think this is a long primary process. we may not have the nominee until it's over because the

south is going to matter. all of these four states, virginia, tennessee, et cetera, the south has something to say to paraphrase my man andre 3,000 from outcast. the south will have something to say about who is the democratic nominee. >> score for quoting andre 3000. answer the question you asked. who among these candidates -- you can name more than one -- when you talk with state reps and state senators, who would they like to see at the top of the ticket? who would make them feel comfortable? >> i would say i've talked to ten different people. some of them are with biden. they're very strong on joe biden because they believe he's our best chance to beat donald trump. and, again, i want us to take us back to that point, is that the focus for south carolina voters is beating donald trump. the issues matter, but they don't matter as much as beating donald trump. so that's where the conversation starts. there are people who are also

excited about tom steyer because tom steyer has invested in the state. he has a really good heart and has shown his commitment to grassroots people and understanding the issues that matter to us. so you've got biden. you've got steyer. you've got buttigieg, who's gaining ground with a lot of younger electorates. and of course bernie has his tried and true supporters as well. the thing i want to go back to, that i heard people talking about earlier, about people getting paid to work on campaigns and people are being bought. nobody's being bought in south carolina. people work for a living. we have a part-time legislature. people have consulting practices outside of what they do. and bernie has spent money with elected officials. so has tom steyer. so has all of them. the point is this is not really a big deal to focus on, but these are people who work hard, who want to make a difference in grassroots politics, and we should afford them that opportunity to do so. >> it takes a lot of time working on campaigns. it's exhausting. it's draining. it is actual work, and i think that's very fair. it's a question people were asking out there, and i think it's really important that you answered it in the way you did. my panel, adrienne elrod, jennifer palmieri, anton gunn,

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