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ten days. will any of them have enough to clinch. 60%, but signs that vote may be thoroughly divided. $32 trillion. that's what medicare for all would cost. how that huge number could end up being a bargain for american taxpayers. velshi starts now. >> good morning, i'm ali velshi in las vegas overnight. nevada caucus goers feeling the burn. predicting bernie sanders of vermont will win the caucus. a "new york times" headline reading sanders romps in nevada. the results of his union heavy state on the primary circuit shows growing ground swell of support with 50% of precincts reporting.
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sanders garnered 47% of the vote, nearly double what the other candidates have. joe bident a distant second with about 19% of the vote right now. before everyone loses their mind about this. only 36 delegates up for grabs out of necessary 191 to achieve the democratic nomination during the first round of the convention selection process. nbc news reporting that sanders has been allocated 13 nevada delegates so far. last night sanders had already moved on to texas where he's positioning himself for super tuesday, march 3rd. >> in nevada, we have just put together a multi-generational, multi-racial coalition which is not only going to win in nevada, it is going to sweep this country. no campaign has a grassroots
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movement like we do which is another reason why we're going to win this election. >> joining me to break this all down, jason speaker of the nevada state assembly, joyce political director with the director alliance and orrin johnson a columnist with the "nevada independent." orrin, let me start with you. this was expected to be a bernie sanders victory. but this was something that exceeded most expectations. >> well, i think that's probably right. you know, he's kind of a wildcard from a lot of people's perspective. but he certainly has the excitement of his particular supporters whether he can get beyond the excitement of the particular supporters. i guess that remains to be seen. a lot of democratic establishment folks are very concerned about him. i think they have a right to we be concerned about him, as well.
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>> jason, speaker friarson, he did assemble a coalition. in order to get democrats and if you look across every group and every cross tabulation for entrance polls, but for about three of them, bernie sanders led. >> great ground game and that doesn't come as a surprise. no establishment that democrats are looking for a candidate to make their case to the voters and we wanted to make sure that we didn't weigh in and we let them make their case. but what is most important is that we came out unified making sure we establish momentum to make a change in the white house. >> i do believe that to be the case. do you believe we're coming out unified? >> i think it will take some time. what was different now than four years ago, we have four years of evidence of what is going to happen if we don't turn out and
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we recognize what's going to happen to the courts. what's going to happen with respect to climate change. i think we'll see now it's too dangerous to stay home. >> let's talk about the fact that this is a union state. bernie sanders went into this week, this past week, looking like he might be weak in union support because of his support of medicare for all, which the culinary union, in particular, said we like our health care system better. the union members voted for bernie sanders. >> yep. the rank and file were very clear who their choice was. bernie sanders working class message really resonated with them. whether or not that resonated with the union leadership is maybe something else. but they were working class people were very clear yesterday and they supported bernie sanders. he won five of the six, i think, caucuses on the strip where the workers are really congregating and i don't think this is any reckoning around culinary but it is important for leadership of
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unions to be in touch with their members. >> you're right. it's not about, most have spent their entire existence fighting for wages and health care and they're very, very proud of their health care systems. >> as it should be. better than anybody else's. >> that's correct. but in the end, what is the decision that union workers had to make that i really do like my health care, but i think bernie sanders is generally better for working people than my specific concern about my health care coverage. >> i think the question was whether or not they believe in medicare for all. i think the leadership of the union tried to say this could be a threat to you and i think what the worker said is we actually want health care for everyone, not just ourselves. i think that's what we'll see more and more for working file members. they have a lot of clarity that it is about all the working class, not just union members and not just about people who have a contract. >> frankly, i would hope every american would approach health care that way.
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it's not about the insurance you get from your employer. i work for nbc comcast. i get amazing insurance. i am probably one of the best insured americans. i would give it up for a second f so everyone is insured. leeann caldwell, this was a shout it actually was. democratic so-called establishment people tonight and establishment journalists and main stream media alarmed, hair on fire, about the fact that bernie sanders may have a route to becoming the democratic nominee for president. >> they looked at iowa and new hampshire and said, oh, those states are white. they're not representative of the rest of the country. he came to nevada and he built a coalition that was represented of the country. he did well among latinos and
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relatively well among african-americans and he improved his strength here. what he also did, he learned from his mistakes from 2016. he only lost nevada by five points four years ago against hillary clinton and even with this fractured, these many candidates, he still garnered support in nevada than he did four years ago at this stage. yeah, there's going to have to be, they're going to have to figure out if they can get behind this candidate and push them forquaward. >> that is the concern, if people don't get behind him. >> orrin johnson, a few candidates have to take a good, hard look at what happened last night to them. tulsi gabbard is in this race and virtually didn't register and amy klopu krbuchar who came third didn't do very well.
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those three. look, i don't know if there is a point to anybody dropping out now between now and ten days from now south carolina and super tuesday. the question remains, elizabeth warren came in a distant fourth here. what do you make of that? >> well, elizabeth warren is kind of bernie sanders light in a lot of ways. look, ali, the issue here in nevada and everywhere with bernie sanders and the same issue that existed four years ago with donald trump is that party establishments are not trusted. union leadership is not trusted. the kind of rank and file people no matter where you fall in the political spectrum are angry. they have some reason to be. some of it is frankly little bit formless. i don't want to say misdirected because i think that's a condescending way to put it. i don't know if there is a lot of understanding of what they're voting for in so much there is a lot of what they are voting against. elizabeth warren tried to tap into that against the debate and flame throwing everybody and
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bernie sanders had the ground game here. people know who he and that is why he is fading away and she is ascending and everybody else is, if there's just one candidate versus bernie sanders, i think the one candidate would win because i don't believe a majority of democrats are that far left. but that's not where it is and a lot of egos involved. so, we got a whole bunch of people against bernie and he's going to come up the middle and win it all. exactly what donald trump did at least with respect to the democratic nomination. >> speaker, i want to put up a screen which will show the key voting groups that voted for bernie sanders last night. it's kind of amazing. of the group, that was 17 to 29, he got two-thirds of that vote. the youth vote. that's almost to be expected. that is the group that propelled him the last time around. of hispanics, 53%. uniquely important in this state. of those very liberal, 49%.
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not a surprise there either. and of those who support medicare for all, not much of a surprise there. 49% of that support went to him. some of it went to elizabeth warren because they're the two standard bearers' a few groups in which he didn't triumph over everybody. older voters, african-american voters came in very close. joe biden, the thing that has been his firewall for a long time, african-american voters did actually perform for him in nevada last night. >> again, i think nevada being the first diverse state is going to be an indication of where other diverse states are going to go. a better reflection of where the country is. the country is thirsty for a change. and we are trying to figure out which candidate best represents an opportunity to make that change. but i think nevada spoke and i think the rest of the country should look to make sure that candidates make their case there, as well. but i'm thrilled with what we did here. >> are you thrilled at the result? >> well, i think that the result is a reflection of what the people want. i'm thrilled at the process.
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my role as speaker here to make sure we facilitate and we open up early voting and did some wonderful things here to make sure everyone had a chance to be heard and we're proud of what we were able to do. >> jess, what do you make of an interesting thing that came out of our entry polls was the idea that about a third of people want the candidate they want. whose values they share. about two-thirds want the candidate who is going to beat donald trump. here's the interesting part, bernie won both. >> i think that's a big, really, really big difference from other states. and you know one of my watch lines throughout this entire primary so far has been vote with your heart. i think voters did vote with their heart last night and whether or not that consolidates his support into the next states is, we'll see. joe biden did pretty well last night and as we head into south carolina where it's majority african-american vote i don't think we'll see the thumping
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because support among black voters is not quite as strong. he has more work to do, but i think voters spoke very clearly last night here in nevada. we'll see if that continues on in the next states. >> leann when we talk about the democratic establishment and people running scared, you spent a lot of time at the united states congress. there are some democrats scared about bernie sanders presidential candidate. >> the reason is, they have tough races coming up and they're worried that bernie sanders will not perform well enough in these purple swing, red districts and states to propel them to re-election. it's about these down ballots. remember, 31 members of congress who won in trump districts who trump won in 2016. so, they're worried that they're not going to attract a wide swath of voters to ensure that they win and maintain control of the house of representatives and
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perhaps looking for control of the senate. >> he has to create some reassurances so that they're happy with them. thanks to the four of you for joining me, jason frierson, jess, nbc news correspondent leigh ann kacaldwell. we'll dig into the delegate battle being waged as the focus shifts to south carolina. velshi continues from las vegas after this. at today's best western,
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bernie sanders is the projected winner of the nevada caucus. what does that mean on the grander scale of the fight for the nomination? out of a total of 36 delegates that were up for grabs here in nevada, so far bernie sanders has won 13 of them. now, you can see none of the others have been assigned. 23 more have got to be allocated and because we only have about
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50% of the vote in right now, they haven't allocated the others yet. but they will be. the vermont senator, assuming that you think other people will have allocated to them the vermont senator is the leader overall with 34. he jumped ahead of pete buttigieg who right now before the new nevada delegates remains at 23. that will change once all the votes in nevada are counted. for now elizabeth warren stays at 8 and joe biden at 6. these are all very, very small numbers compared to the 1,991 delegates that you need to win the nomination on the first ballot in july in milwaukee. next up is south carolina. that is next saturday. the biggest one yet. there are 54 delegates at stake in south carolina and it is yet more ethnically diverse than nevada. considering his performance among nevada and sanders could be in for another big night. nonetheless, the first four states nevada and new hampshire and south carolina add up to a
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mere 3.9% of the total delegates available. things get really serious three days later in south carolina on march 3rd. super tuesday. 16 contests for a total of 1,357 delegates. that's 34.1% of the total. joining me now in south carolina political reporter for the "washington post" eugene scott and in new york associate p professor christina beltran. thank you for joining me so early. christina is the author of the book "trouble with unity." christina, what do you read into what happened last night? >> i think last night was a real, you know, game changer. it was really something impressive. one thing that you see is what bernie sanders was able to do is pull together a multi-racial coalition in a way that none of the other candidates have been able to do thus far and one of the key elements is that bernie sanders did what latino voters
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have been telling establishment democrats to do forever. which is work on the ground, organize, you know, invest in latino voters and invest in their activism and mobilize this community and take them seriously not only as voters, but activists. that happened last night and that's really going to be something to see going into south carolina. will this be an ongoing possibility for sanders or the folks in the moderate lane try to stop him and will they be successful in doing that? >> eugene, i want to ask you about the african-american vote because that becomes remarkably important in south carolina. let's take a look at how it went down here in nevada. joe biden won that vote with 39%. bernie sanders comes in second at 27% and then steyer and then warren. now, in south carolina, for a long time that number was above 40 and, remember, about 60% of south carolina democratic primary voters are african-american. then you started to see end roads from biden who did not do
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well with this group in 2016 and then start to see massive end roads by mike bloomberg. we'll have to see how last week whether it hurt him or helped him in that crowd. the bottom line is for the all-important african-american vote in south carolina, this may be a three-way race. what do you see happening? >> well, what i see happening so far based on the data is that biden continues to lead with black voters here in the state. but a significant percentage of black voters in south carolina despite what a lot of people believe are actually younger voters. and sanders is doing incredibly well with those voters. i spent yesterday at the college of charleston speaking with voters and young black voters that i spoke with overwhelmingly are backing but it's increasingly so as sanders presents himself as the event well frontrunner and biden continues to look weak. >> and i just want to put up
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"wall street journal"/nbc poll showing enthusiasm amongst black voters. joe biden as you just pointed out, still coming in very well there. 69%. but bernie is right behind at 65% and then elizabeth warren is next at 46% and michael bloomberg at 43%. those numbers don't add up to 100. these are people saying they're enthu enthusiastic about these candidates. there remains opportunity for candidates to appeal to african-american voters. christina, you and i had a chat i think it was last friday evening and you said the one thing that people have to take seriously is you called it an adult election. you can't wait for the savior to come in and slay donald trump. this is going to be an election that is going to require work from everybody who watches this. maybe not from people who won't pay attention to the election until labor day or something like that. but for somebody who is in on this now. people like msnbc viewers.
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this election is going to take work. what do you mean by that? >> i think one of the issues is that too often our politics makes it very easy to be a spectator to our politics. it makes it very easy to imagine that we're watching somebody else make our democracy. our system is set up to make spectatorship as opposed to participation very easy. i think one of the things that we can take away from the sanders campaign is that sanders is a man of the left who takes serious grassroots organizing and i think that is a message that all the candidates need to think about here as they talk to voters. but voters themselves need to sit back and think about different mathematical possibilities of these different candidates but ultimately if you want to stop trumpism and trump, we're going to have to do that. and there's nobody here who is going to be perfect and, so, what it is going to mean is that every voter has to decide that they might want their person to win but they can get behind the next person. but that also puts a lot of pressure on the candidates
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because the candidates actually have to make sure that they're not just about winning delegates, but about winning voters to see them as the next best thing. you have to be careful that you don't alienate and the moderates move through this lane, they have to think hard about how are they going to make sure that the voters don't see them as trying to stop the momentum of a different candidate. they have to find a way to talk about what they're for and not simply what they are trying to stop and they have to talk about democracy and movement and not just about viability. that's what voters have to take into their hearts and the work they have to do in the future and not just the work of the candidates, put our work. >> that are really the work of voters because there is the shift between people who want the candidate they want because they share their beliefs and the one that they think can vote for donald trump. i will remind people that in both of those categories, they voted for bernie sanders last night. eugene scott, joe biden needed
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south carolina. there was even talk about that he cannot do particularly well in iowa and new hampshire and maybe even in nevada. he's got to do well in south carolina in order to keep his campaign going. what did last night tell joe biden? >> well, i think last night communicated to joe biden that the guarantee that he could win south carolina is not as certain. it's perhaps he thought earlier in the election. and i think that's been increasingly clear to the former vice president as each state has begun to vote. but people i speak with on the campaign, within the campaign are here on the ground working very hard not taking this state for granted. but trying to communicate to voters that they believe that biden has the best vision for america and it's resonating quite a bit because this is a state whose politics are a bit more moderate than some of the earlier states we've seen, especially states like new hampshire and maybe even iowa. this is a democratic vo iic votk
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here that is more faith based in its world view, especially among black voters. and to think that this is something that sanders could over turn for biden isn't just supported right now by the data, but it's certainly looking like it could be increasingly possible after what we saw in nevada. this very diverse group of voters coming out to say they want a new vision for america and perhaps one that is not as moderate as the ones they supported in the past. >> thanks to both of you eugene scott and new york university associate professor cristina beltran from new york. the president and why the decision to fire his acting director of national intelligence and replace him with a trump loyalist highlights a growing problem in an administration where experience doesn't seem to matter and croneyism has run amuck.
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pop quiz. what does dni stand for? it's early yet so you're probably thinking dna that's what you get when you spit into a tube for half an hour and send it to 23 and me or a nondisclosure agreement we heard about so much lately. the director of national intelligence. i won't quiz you on the name of the past three dnis because that would be unfair. but i'll give you a clue. a new one is on his way in and acting one, of course, because that's how donald trump rolls. but the director of national intelligence is a really important job. in fact, the director of national intelligence is likely the most important person whose name you probably don't know. i assume you think national security and safety is a big deal, of course. and that is true because it is.
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established in 2005 after the interagency scuffle that failed to prevent the 9/11 attacks it was created to oversee the nation's 17 intelligence agencies so that a unified coordinated evalulation could be made to americans and the world. the reason for it is really tangible. prior to 9/11 the cia had intel that had it share would the fbi might have prevented the attacks. its arer the dni's job to parse that info and deal with the heads of all those agencies and get the best and most important intel directly to the president regardless of whether the president finds that information palatable. the process was designed to keep us safe. we already know this administration has ignored serious threats to national security like the rising threat of white and, of course, russia. what the president needs it someone who will tell him the truth, not someone who will tell him what he wants to hear.
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in fact, that's what any president needs from his dni. this president, however, fired his most recent dni after he, joseph maguire dared to allow intelligence officers to brief congress about russian threats to the election, a topic we know donald trump hates. now, trump is planning on appointing the current ambassador to germany, richard grenell as the new director of national intelligence. richard grenell is not the man for this job. putting aside he mainly distinguished himself as a bombastic trump loyalist wading into german politics and praising far right mrpolitician and he fundamentally doesn't have any experience in either intel or running an organization. but there's more. according to the rules, grenell can only serve until march 11th until the president nominates someone to be the permanent director. but some think trump will nominate someone who will not pass senate muster to prolong
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grenell's run. he may keep his unqualified appointee in one of the country's most important jobs. that should worry you. perhaps more of trump's use of the justice department for his own personal benefit. as the retired u.s. navy admiral the navy s.e.a.l. who oversaw the raid that took osama bin laden out, wrote quote when good men and women can't speak the truth and when facts are inconvenient and integrity and and self-preservation are more important than national security, then there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil. are you worried now? because i am. ♪
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reports of new analysis by the office of the director of national intelligence have confirmed russia's efforts to meddle in this year's presidential election. but president trump's national security adviser is denying those reports exist. >> i haven't seen any evidence that russia is doing anything to attempt to get president trump re-elected. we've been very tough on russia and great on election security. so, i think it's a nonstory. this is the same old story that we've heard before. i've seen the reports from that briefing at the intel committee.
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i wasn't there, but i've seen no intelligence that suggests that. >> you're flatly denying that the intelligence community has inanalysis that they are trying to favor trump in the 2020 election? >> what i'm saying is that i have not seen that analysis. >> important to listen to that. he hasn't seen the analysis but yet at the same time in the same interview claims it is not true. i want to bring in my guest, robert litt is the former director, brett is a former presidential envoy for the global coalition to defeat isis at the state department and msnbc senior foreign affairs analysis. you have worked under different administrations including this administration. national intelligence is maybe one of the very few things in the government that isn't and should never be partisan. >> well, ali, the director of
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national intelligence. this position was created and important to remember after the attacks of 9/11 and a multi-year study that was done about what led to that attack and one of them was an intelligence failure because the failure to integrate bits of information across the intelligence community, that's how important this job is. so, the director of national intelligence including overseeing the 16 departments and agencies in the intelligence community and preparing a president's daily brief every morning and making sure the president is getting the truth. it is also about protecting the country by making sure that our intelligence is integrated and coiloused before decisionmakers are in the room. the first briefing at any important meeting is from the director of national intelligence. here is the factual aid for what you are about to hear.
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sometimes you may disagree but i never questioned whether the person in that position was trying to shade the presentation given what me might think the president wants to hear. that job, the director of national intelligence is telling the president what he or she needs to hear. and right now we have a shoot the messenger culture that is developing, not just in the intelligence community but really throughout the government which is really dangerous for the ability of our government to protect the country from foreign threats. that's really what this is about. >> robert, let's just go a little further down the shoot the messenger road. the reporting on this is that there was an intel briefing to members of congress those who would qualify to hear it including guys like adam schiff and people on the intel committee and it talked about ongoing russian interference into the 2020 election. this is a narrative that trump doesn't like to hear. and apparently trump was so angry about the fact that democrats would have heard this
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information that they might use it against him in the election and then the messenger got shot. joe maguire is going to be out of a job and donald trump picks a guy who is widely thought of as not being qualified for this job richard grenell to take the job for a while until he can find someone else. that sounds like the politicalization of national intelligence and send a chill down the spine of every american who is concerned for national security and their own safety. >> this really was a bit of deja vu for me because if you remember in january of 2017, the intelligence community did a coordinated assessment of russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 election. and we briefed that to the house intelligence committee and had the exact same reaction. the republicans on the house intelligence committee refused to believe it. attacked it without seeing the underlying information and, of course, we know from robert mueller's report and the indictment he did of a number of
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russian operatives which contained a wealth of specific detail demonstrating that the intelligence community had it exactly right in that 2017 analysis. what we have is a situation where the president and his supporters don't like the conclusion that the russians are trying to help him and, therefore, attack the underlying facts. and that's exactly backwards. you need to establish what the facts are. and that's what the intelligence community, as brett said, give an unbias and varnished view of what the actual facts are so that policymakers can make informed decisions. >> and, brett, the position of the director of national intelligence was not solved, was not created to solve a partisan problem. not that information was partisan, it was that there were agencies not sharing information and some analysis in the writing and research of what happened in 9/11 that had some of these agencies shared information properly with each other and
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maybe something could have been pretre prevented. the 16 different agencies and all doing different things and different priorities and the dni is supposed to be the one that is able to bring that together and connect that to the national security establishment and the president. so, the idea of not bringing in somebody who is on top of that game, not putting partisanship at the front and being able to give the president unvarnished truth. not being worried about whether the other party may have information they'd like to use in an election. that just shouldn't come into the decisionmaking about national security. >> well, ali, one of the few positions at the highest levels of government where congress wrote in the job requirements in the statute. and it says the director of national intelligence shall have, shall have extensive national security experience. that's a specific job requirement. you know, in one day last week not just joe maguire but also the principal deputy andrew,
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really, almost six decades of experience in national security intelligence we intelligence walked out the door. make sure the best information is getting before decisionmakers, particularly in a time of crisis which we will have, inevitably. contrary to the intent of congress. the national director director that i served under his entire career was in this job. joe maguire before being the acting dni was the ntct and that is another acronym and that is under the dni and the national terrorism center was set up, again, after 9/11, to make sure they were the forward line to gather all the intelligence from all around the world to connect the dots to ensure that we are not attacked again.
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and joe maguire held that position in an acting capacity. there is no director of ntct right now. the number three official was told to get out and leave the building last week. we have a hollowing out of our national security architecture and when a crisis comes and it will, we will be in some trouble because the facts will not be presented in unvarnished way and the decisions will not be able to be made in a way that can protect the country. >> robert, you know what brett is saying there he says in such a calm, measured way, but this really should be very, very worrisome. things happen. we know active adversaries working against our elections and maybe that's not important to everybody who is watching this this morning. maybe they think the system is rigged anyway. we are talking about real things. 9/11 was a real thing that cost lives and got us into a war that we're still in. what in your opinion is the thing that should get people most worried about this?
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>> i think what's most worrisome about this is being the dni is a complicated job. it involves administering a budget of tens of billions of dollars and involves setting policies on things like information a sharing and security clearances and involves setting collection priorities for the intelligence community. this is not a job to learn as you're going along. as brett said, jim clapper for whom i worked had 50 years of experience in intelligence. this is not a job to be done on a part-time basis while you're living in berlin. and you have is to ask, why was rick grenell chosen for this job? is it the only thing that the president thinks is important about this job is suppressing information that might undercut his position? i think that's the thing to worry about. is that the only purpose for this is to influence the substance of the intelligence. >> thank you to both of you for joining me this morning. former general counsel for the director of national intelligence robert and brett
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chinese nationals have been found trespassing on both the key west naval base and mar-a-lago. each incident seems to follow a similar pattern an alleged chinese tourist or student walking around the area taking pictures and then once questioned saying it was a mistake. even saying in one case they had no knowledge of mar-a-lago despite being found on the property. in a new nbc exclusive, anna shekter spent 18 months pouring over court documents speaking to experts in law enforcement and experts on china to try to figure out what was going on and what she found is concerning and according to the former fbi assistant director of counterintelligence just the tip of the iceberg. these attempts could be a distraction greater targeting. this could also be an attempt to test the trump administration's ability to react to targeting by one of our greatest adversaries. with me dave erinburg and anna
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schecter senior producer. anna, it's kind of interesting that these things all have a similarity to them that are leading some people like you to say maybe there's more to this than just four to six randoes taking pictures in and around a military base at mar-a-lago. tell me what you have come up with. >> when you go through the court documents the similarities are incredibly striking. it's just baffling that people aren't paying more attention to this. these young people at the naval base. all young men in their 20s, chinese students who stumble upon the naval base and walk either around perimeter fence ignoring warning signs or in one case two students drove past a guard, ignored them, drove around the base for 30 minutes, according to the court documents until they were stopped and in a bizarre twist, they voluntarily turned over all of their photos.
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they kind of seemed to have some plausible deniability but once you dig into it and see this pattern it seems to some experts that this couldn't be anything other than a coordinated effort. >> sometimes these things are hidden in plain sight, dave. in 2018, there was an op-ed written by david wise who talked about a theory that the fbi had about intelligence gathering that doesn't sometimes look like intelligence gathering. the russians would send in a sub and collect several buckets of sand and take them back to moscow. the u.s. would send over satellites and produce reams of data and the chinese would send in a thousand tourists each assigned to collect a single grain of sand. when they returned asked to shake out their towels and they would know more about the sand than anyone else. what's your sense of what's going on here? >> ali, it seems that these individuals don't have any
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formalized training in espionage. it seems like they're lone wolves and freelancers and the chinese government might be winking and nodding at them so they can have what anna just described as plausible deniblt and it enables them to be sympathetic figures. we're just hapless tourists and that's why it poses great challenges for prosecutors. meanwhile, they can go back to china and either sell their information, their street intelligence back to the chinese government or give it away as part of their patriotic duty. >> anna, what do you think is happening with this information? is there anybody worried? is the fbi worried that there is intelligence gathering going on or does this still feel a little bit random for now? >> this is highly concerning to the fbi and top intelligence officials are taking this extremely seriously. the problem is it's hard to connect the dots on these cases. especially when you have these young people who were probably
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asked by someone else to go and take these photos. so, they aren't, you know, spy masters themselves but they're part of a web of people and this is all operating out of beijing. now, this is a long-time coming. i lived in china back in 2001 and when i was even in remote cities, cab drivers would tell me, it's our duty as chinese people to rise up and take over the u.s. so, this is many years in the making and these six instances are only six of hundreds, thousands of efforts like this across the country. >> thank you for your reporting, anna. dave and senior investigative reporter anna schecter. joe biden is finally celebrating a victory, a self-proclaimed one in nevada. how the former vice president hopes to finally get a win this time in south carolina. this is "velshi" live in las vegas. [ applause ] thank you. it's an honor to tell you that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance
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