thing you. said "watchmen" won the week. really, best show ever get me i started watching "game of thrones" because of you. is it a one-two? >> it's a one-two. "game of thrones" was a phenomenal show except the final episode, it will make you mad. but "watchmen" is a better quality show. and it's a great show. i had to forgive damon lindelof who made "lost" which had the worst ending ever, and i forgave him because of how good "watchmen" is. >> go ahead and warm up, joy. welcome, everyone, to "weekends with alex witt." russia's plan to meddle in the election. the president and his people speaking out today. why it's raising new questions about what is actually the truth. >> but i have not been briefed on that at all, nobody told me

about it. >> i've seen zero intelligence that russia is doing anything to help -- to help -- to help president trump get reelected. projected winner. who's happy and who's getting worried about bernie sanders' momentum. a mystery in palm beach athat hthat has slipped under the radar, where six chinese tourists -- or were they spies from china? new reports of russia again attempting to interfere in u.s. elections. democrats sounding the alarm. >> the russians never stopped interfering in american politics. they don't just get involved in elections. they are involved every sing day. and analysis of what they've been doing on twitter since 2016 has been pretty clear. they are weighing in over and over again in support of right wing causes, in support of donald trump's political agenda, and of course it stands to reason that they want donald trump reelected because he has been a gift to russia.

meanwhile, the white house denying reports the kremlin is trying to help trump's reelection and that contradicts the findings of u.s. intelligence officials, also according to reports. as for the president, who is on his way to india for a state visit, also weighing in on the subject a bit earlier on the south lawn. let's go to nbc's hans nichols joining us from the white house. hans, good sunday to you, what did the president say about this? roer >> reporter: the president is, number one, accusing adam schiff of leaking all this, he's saying the democrats are doing this to somehow sabotage or sandbag bernie sanders' chances for the nomination. he's saying he has no inside knowledge and he hasn't been briefed on any of this intelligence. i asked him that question directly. have a listen. >> nobody said it. i read where russia is helping bernie sanders. nobody said it to me at all. nobody briefed me about that at all. the -- uh, what they try and do

is, uh, certain people like certain people to have information. no different than it's been. but i have not been briefed on that at all. nobody told me about it. >> reporter: so alex, the rhetoric across the administration is consistent this morning. you have the president saying he wasn't briefed. you have marc short on the sunday shows saying they didn't receive any intelligence. and robert o'brien, national security adviser, is also saying the same thing. we don't know to what extent there may have been a key briefing that people were involved in. but there's flat denial across the line from the president. the president, when he walked over to us a couple of hours ago, he made a point of congratulating bernie sanders and made a point of trying to foment extedissent within the democratic party, saying it may be rigged against bernie sanders, like people tried to rig things against me. so the president, in perhaps the clearest he's been, says he thinks bernie will be the nominee and he's preparing to meet him in the general

election, alex. >> okay. hans nichols from the white house, getting us started, thank you so much. joining me now, msnbc contributor charlie savage, also the washington correspondent for "the new york times." charlie, can you clarify what is really going on here as we have the president's national security adviser saying he has seen reports that russia wants sanders to be elected president but also said he has not heard anything to suggest russia is trying to get trump reelected. what is your take on this? >> i think there's a lot of murk around this and obviously reporters on the outside are trying to see this through a glass darkly. what they're trying to see, through leaks and fragments of information that we mosaic together, is what the intelligence community is also struggling to understand about what russia is up to, through its own imperfect mix of intelligence and analysis. the intelligence community

should put out an intelligence community assessment saying exactly what they think is happening in a declassified form and then we don't have to say do we believe trump or his national security adviser or not. let's hear what they have to say. but right now the imperfect information is allowing spin for political purposes in all kinds of directions. >> okay. i want to parse words here and get really detailed because trump administration officials, and specific to the president himself, let's say, they say they haven't seen the intelligence showing that russian interference is evident in the campaigns. what does that mean? does it mean the president has not actually laid eyes on the intelligence? hasn't he been briefed on this? >> reporter: one would hope. of course we also know, though, that trump doesn't necessarily like to hear intelligence, whether it's about 2016 or 2020, about russian interference. he still is smarting over the implication that even if there was no proven conspiracy with

his campaign with russia, nevertheless russia was trying to help him win in 2016. he thinks that takes away from the legitimacy of his narrow election back then. there are plenty of reporting streams from all directions about how this is not something you want to bring up with the president. so i don't know what's going on in 2020. we do know that joseph maguire was just ousted from the dni position surrounding this and concurrent with this blowup over what the house intelligence committee was told. and the whole thing looks very troubling from a perspective of whether candid intelligence that may not be what the president wants to hear is going to reach congress and even reach the oval office. >> suffice it to say, the president and his advisers are brushing off this threat. but what kind of message does that send and how damaging could that be? >> right, well, one of the difficulties of all this is both in 2016 and now, is the conflation of different

insights. did russia attempt to interfere in the election? did it attempt to do so in favor of a particular candidate? and what do we make of that now? the trump world message of the russia hoax and the russia hoax is happening again tends to conflate the whole collusion question with the pretty much undeniable, entirely undeniable fact that russia did in 2016 at least attempt to manipulate our electoral process. and i think that same disinformation or confusion or murkiness is now clouding our attempts to understand what's happening in real time at this moment. >> so if i ask you what is happening right now in terms of where does the truth lie, can you answer that? >> i would be lying if i said i did. i think a lot of the people putting out hot takes in all directions, speaking on sunday shows with great confidence and authority that this is what's happening, everyone should look at all of those across the

spectrum with a grain of salt right now. the whole thing is extremely troubling and extremely difficult to parse. and i think even inside the use government, they may not fully understand what they're looking at, if they're honest with themselves about it. >> charlie savage, what are you doing here request with me? get back to figuring it all out so we can answer the question. thank you, my friend. nbc is projecting bernie sanders will win the nevada caucuses. he's been awarded 13 of the 36 nevada delegates. the key groups supporting sanders, voters under age 30, lati latinos. joe biden has 19%, pete buttigieg 15%. now bernie sanders and his wife celebrating with supporters in texas last night, the crowd cheering and chanting as he

pushed his campaign message. >> brothers and sisters, if we stand together, we will not only defeat trump, we will transform this country and create a government and an economy that works for all of us, not wealthy campaign contributors. thank you all very much. >> today the candidates are spread across the country, covering eight states in a campaigning brilitz ahead of soh carolina's primary, where joe biden is leading. biden is campaigning in south carolina today. earlier he was asked about his support in the state and whether he can hold onto it. pete buttigieg also in south carolina today, he's raising questions about the results from nevada's caucuses. in fact his campaign sent a letter to the state's democratic party alleging errors in caucus reporting of early voting, asking that they release those totals, correct alignment errors

and explain anomalies in the data. and the next nine days are critical for the eight democratic candidates starting with tuesday's debate, then to saturday's south carolina primary, then on to super tuesday were over 1,300 delegates are up for grabs. joining me now, nbc's garrett haake, live still in las vegas, you've been there for a bit now, garrett. what all is at stake over these next nine days? >> reporter: oh, just everything, alex, in the democratic primary process. look, the convention is not until this summer but this race could effectively be over come super tuesday if bernie sanders continues on the trajectory he's on now. he's put together a coalition that none of the other candidates can match right now in terms of young voters and latino voters, breaking into the margins of older voters which had been the strength of joe biden and other rivals. he's in texas yesterday and today, he spent a good portion

of the lead-up to nevada campaigning in california. these are the big delegate-rich super tuesday states where he hopes the machine that he has built can give him a nearly insurmountable lead. here he was last night in san antonio. >> what we showed is that our volunteers are prepared to knock on hundreds and hundreds of thousands of doors. [ cheering ] that no campaign has a grassroots movement like we do. which is another reason why we're going to win this election. >> reporter: and alex, it really is the case that no other candidate can match sanders' army right now and the way he's able to compete nationally in all these states at once. if you look at the map and you see where these candidates are campaigning today, trying to make inroads in states where they think they have specific

strength. amy klobuchar in places like oklahoma and arkansas, north dakota today, those are super tuesday states many other candidates won't venture there, they're more conservative, they may play well to her more moderate politics. pete buttigieg has more in stake in north carolina, he has to continue to use the early states, one into the next to the next. if you're joe biden, you're happy to come in second yesterday, albeit a distant second. we'll know a lot after south carolina. super tuesday is just a few days after south carolina, a very narrow window where we could see this race change dramatically or lock onto this course where bernie sanders is walking to the nomination. >> given the fact that you have eyes on all these different candidates and campaigns, can you give me a sense what have the sentiment was from everyone but bernie sanders and joe biden with whom you referenced there,

what they felt like leavining nevada? >> reporter: i think if you're pete buttigieg, there was some frustration. they thought they were going to come in around third place, they thought if they had a really good night they could get into second. that's why you saw them releasing that letter, a complaint to the nevada democratic party about how the votes were counted. they're going to continue to fight this out. elizabeth warren's campaign hoped they would get more of a bounce out of her debate performance, but you didn't see it reflected in the final count in nevada. part of the reason four that may be that so much of the vote was in the early vote by the time she had that moment, the voting process was partially over. in new hampshire claim banked votes from her great debate performance. amy klobuchar put a lot of time and resources in nevada and she

has the least of the three major remaining candidates. they were hoping to do better in reno and northern parts of the state. she has probably the toughest path and toughest argument to make of any candidate that's spent considerable amounts in the campaign, except possibly for tom steyer. >> okay, garrett haake, you tth you so much. bernie sanders, the democratic establishment, and political suicide. a warning from a legendary figure of the democratic party. t has something for every lobster fan like wild caught lobster, butter poached, creamy and roasted. or try lobster sautéed with crab, shrimp and more. so hurry in and let's lobsterfest. or get it to go at red lobster dot com but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. so hurry in and let's lobsterfest. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr, a once-daily pill for adults with moderate

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be featured on the cover of "madmemoiselle" magazine. she wrote three home interesting books. we're reporting by her husband that she died last night at her home on long island. she was just 70 years old, sad time there. after a big night in nevada for bernie sanders, there are some new criticisms today from establishment democrats on sanders' ability to take on trump in the general election. and here is what democratic strategist james carville told my colleague nicolle wallace last night. >> if you're voting for him because you think he'll within the election because he'll galvanize heretofore sleepy parts of the electorate, you're a fool. >> sounds like political suicide. >> it is. >> joining me now, danielle moodie-mills, host of "woke a.f. daily," don callaway, former

campaign aide for due value patrick, and susan del percio, republican strategist. danielle, what due make of what james carville said there, is it political suicide for democrats potentially nominating sanders? >> no, i don't think it's political suicide. i think what it's showing is there is a deep fracture within the democratic party. there are folks that want us to continue along with the moderates and sevn centrists an bernie sanders represents the overhaul. he's talking about big, substantive, ideological change. and young people, who frankly are struggling in this country, are grasping on to what he's saying in a very big way. >> susan, the argument by the establishment democrats that bernie can't win, didn't republicans say the same thing about donald trump in 2016? >> they sure did. but there is one different dynamic that we're looking at

right now, and it's whoever the democrat nominee is, they will not have the same baggage as hillary clinton. and it's not a knock against hillary clinton, it's just a reality. she had one of the highest negative and untrustworthy numbers only to donald trump in 2016. but, you know, to danielle's point, there's never a good time for a revolution if you're the establishment, tblit just doesn work out that way. if that's where the party is going to go, so be it. but it does come with consequences. and i think what james carville is talking about, and someone like me who has worked in districts that are swing districts, is that it will be very hard to keep those swing districts, especially in the house, when you have a candidate that is for open borders, is for taking away health care, private insurance, from 150 million people, especially those in the suburbs, and you're going to provide a lot of free stuff while all these people in the suburbs are trying to make ends

meet for their children. so it's not necessarily -- i'm not saying it's good or bad, but that is the reality you have to face. if you have a revolution, there are consequences. >> look, to this revolution time that both you ladies are talking about, let's look at what sanders tweeted on friday. i've got news for the republican establishment, i've got news for the democratic establishment, to a stop us. this strategy has proven fruitful because sanders has gained supporters here. but when it comes time to win the election, won't he need the so-called democratic establishment? >> of course he will. and he's going to have to have the support of democrats writ large who decide to do the pragmatic thing and vote for the democrat or even hold their nose to vote trump out of there, which is ultimately all of our goals. since it's sunday, the word of the lord, putting new wine in

old wine skins, eventually it won't work, that's the existential dilemma the democratic party is facing right now. you have young voters who came up with the idea of barack obama being a centrist, now the bernie revolution happens and the old wine skins are the democratic party represented by james carville. the mix won't work. we have to find a new establishment, new leaders, new operatives who step up from this new generation of folks. and james carville, no personal diss to him, but he is a personification of those old wine skins. he will never embrace a bernie. what he doesn't realize is the same thing that happened with the republican party in 2016, that the bernies and the trumps of the world have tapped into something that is happening outside of the acela corridor, outside of the political chartering class. and we has democrats simply were not ready for the movement bernie built. but he is winning this thing

fair and square. the question is not whether bernie will win this nomination. it's his nomination. the question is is this bernie's party. >> you're calling james carville old school, and when you look at who breaks for bernie, it's the young generation by a long shot. the older generation, from what we got from exit polls in nevada, they tended to vote for joe biden. susan, as you look at these results, bernie sanders has 47%, but if you combined biden, klobuchar, buttigieg, all of their percentages add up to 39%. and we should say there's only 50% reporting at this point. but at this point, you have these three candidates splitting the moderate vote. so does that in turn boost sanders? >> it depends. there is one thing i would like to point out when you talk about older and younger voters. the difference we're seeing in this cycle, so far, and granted it's only the third contest, is the younger voters this time are showing up.

usually the establishment relies on them not showing up, and that's why they tend to hold in the moderate zone because they play to older voters. if younger folks show up, then it is no longer the party of the establishment. it is that revolution. but the question is, for bernie sanders, is can he break more than 35% of the delegate count going into super tuesday or i should say super duper tuesday which is on march 17th, as i'm calling it, because it is another critical contest where 15% of the delegates will be up, and finally putting the delegate count over 50%. so that's going to be critical. but to me, i'm looking towards what happens on tuesday. will the democrats, the other democrats say, okay, this strategy is not working for me, we need to go after bernie sanders? >> let's take a look at a candidate on the ballot in

nevada -- not being on the ballot, mayor mike bloomberg. here is some of what he said to my colleague reverend al. >> stop and frisk, you've apologized, you've said you regretted it. how do we repair some of the damage? >> part of the answer is, i've sat down with groups of clergy and business people, african-americans mostly, and asked their advice and asked for forgiveness. but i listened to what they had to say. and everybody has different views. i think what is clear is we had a policy, i was trying to stop 650 murders in new york city. the policy got carried away. and when i realized it, stopped it, cut 95% of it, and apologized. i've tried to meet with people who have been stopped and people who their friends have been stopped to learn what it's like. i never had the experience, and my daughters were never stopped,

so i can't tell you that i was that close. and that's what i'm trying to fix. >> danielle, look, i've spoken with you before and gotten your sense, you think that is a wholly insufficient answer there. but what do you need to hear from mike bloomberg to potentially throw support by him? >> i mean, look, i'm listening to that and i just hear how disingenuous it is. like, i had no idea what it was like to be stopped. of course you wouldn't because you were targeting black and latino men. and i think that honestly what i want to hear from mike bloomberg is the truth. we went forward with this policy, the only reason we stopped it is because of the federal government and the court cases that told us it was unconstitutional to racially profile people. and at the end of the day, now that i'm going after the presidency, i'm looking at this and saying to myself, yeah, it was wrong and we need to move forward. but i want to see policies that bloomberg is going to put forward for the african-american community. i've constantly said the only person in this race who has a

really good social justice and racial justice framework is elizabeth warren. she talks about the effects of climate change on marginized communities, on people of color, she talks about that as it pertains to health care and black mothers dying at a higher right than white mothers. so i want bloomberg to have a much better racial justice framework around his policies. and he doesn't. he talks about the racial wealth gap because he just learned about the burning and the massacre that happened in tulsa. i'm thinking to myself, you're supposed to be an incredibly smart man, right? a multibillionaire over and over again. the idea that you're just learning about how these policies were traumatic to an entire generation of people i find problematic, incredibly disingenuous. and i want to see his policies that he's going to put forward that are actually going to remedy what he did in new york city. >> avenui'm going right to you,

because you nearly fell over to that answer. >> i did. and i have dear friends on the bloomberg campaign. the thing i don't think mike bloomberg gets, if you hear him talk about it, he ultimately gets around to, but we did bring down crime. that's unacceptable. there are other ways to bring down crime. police accountability, community policing, give them books and love and attention, that's how i bring down crime, not pulling over black folks, like myself, and throwing them against the wall, his term, not mine. you have to go find 100,000 black and brown men and find and remediate their records. how many of them lost jobs, how many of them lost childcare and custody because of criminal records that emanated from unconstitutional stop and frisk? there is no way to fix it. sitting down with reverend al or other african-american leaders is not going to get it done. that's not a knock on michael bloomberg, it's a knock against a really bad policy.

>> when it comes to the debate, i actually agree with the two other guests. he doesn't have a very good answer so he has to pivot off of it. he has to stick with the apology. i'm not suggesting it's sufficient. i'm saying a good debate strategy is to pif on t positiv pivot off of it. he can talk about other policies he wants to bring forward and work within the community. but that's not going to all happen in the debate. when he's there on tuesday night, he's got to be able to pivot off that question, frankly. >> danielle, don, and susan, always good to see all three of you, thanks so much, guys. new insight into what russia is doing right now to affect the election.

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breaking news at this hour, white house officials denying today that russia is trying to help president trump win a

second term in office. on the sunday talk shows they questioned what officials told the house intelligence committee including whether russia is interfering in the 2020 election. the president last week called it democratic disinformation and today white house officials appear to be accepting the report about the sanders campaign but question whether analysis about the president even exists. >> how is russia interfering in the 2020 election? >> well, there are these reports that they want bernie sanders to get elected president. that's no surprise. he honeymooned in moscow. >> have you seen analysis from the intelligence community showing one of russia's aims is to republican president trump? >> yeah, i have not seen that, and i get pretty good access, as you know. i've seen reports from that briefing at the intel committee, i wasn't there, but i've seen no intelligence that suggests that. i've heard from the briefers that's not what they intended the story to be. look, who knows what happened at the house, in the intelligence

committee. i haven't seen any evidence that russia is doing anything to attempt to get president trump reelect reelected. >> joining me, ned price, and former special assistant to president obama and a msnbc national security analyst. big welcome to you, ned. how do you interpret what robert o'brien is saying today? >> alex, my jaw dropped when i heard that from our national security adviser. it is both inappropriate for a senior national security official to be weighing in on domestic politics the way he was in that statement, essentially invoking something from senator sanders' past and making it seem like it was purchaerfectly logi that the russians would be intervening on his behalf solely because of that. the executive branch has powerful antidote to russian disinformation and misinformation and the type of

covert operation the russians ran against us in 2016 and that is public attribution, and what i mean by that is naming and shaming, including those from the intelligence community explaining to the american people at an unclassified level precisely what it is we're seeing the russians do at this moment. it is not helpful for the national security adviser to come on to dismiss one allegation but then to fuel the flames of another. it is not only reckless, as i said before, it's actually dangerous because it actually helps the russians and does their job for them. >> logistics here, robert o'brien says he was in the meeting when the president was briefed one day after the intel committee briefing. is it even possible, ned, that intelligence officials would give different information to the house and the president? why is there such disparity in these positions? >> my suspicion here, alex, is that members of congress are listening to this through their

partisan ears and seeing it with their partisan eyes. i think it is quite possible that a nuanced intelligence briefing was given in which there was discussion of russian motives and objectives and republicans heard it one way and democrats potentially heard it another. and it seems like president trump heard it a third way, in a way that forced him or that at least led him to dismiss his national intelligence director. >> but ned, so if you're getting an intelligence briefing, would it not be commonplace to name trump, name sanders, if you're trying to reveal this, you're saying nuanced things, but really, without attribution? >> there's a lot of this that doesn't make sense to me. look, when i worked at the cia, we were told to do three things in intelligence briefings. one is to tell the policy customer what you know, tell them what we don't know, and to tell them what you assess. and so i would be very surprised, if not shocked, to

hear that a senior intelligence official, someone who has been around the block with years of experience under her belt, to hear that she went to congress and gave a muddled message on something this politically sensitive. i suspect that the briefing she gave was informed by the latest intelligence, it was predicated on the best analysis, but that republicans heard it in a way that really got their political hackles up. and that is incredibly dang dangerous, because look, we know vladimir putin is not a republican, vladimir putin is not a democrat. he is an opportunist. if we are going to combat russian interference in 2020, we need to take this on as americans. chiefly we need a president who will cast aside his desire for reelection to treat this with the severity and with the importance and priority it deserves. calling together his departments and agencies and making clear to

vladimir putin that he will not accept this interference on his behalf, full stop. >> whether or not that's going to happen, i guess the indication is this, the national director of intelligence robert maguire was replaced. anyone would look at the timing and think it's curious, i guess we could describe it. one official said the president was not angry about the briefing, he had issues with the leaks. let's take a listen to that. >> the president's frustration was that he wasn't briefed before they were briefed. so you had mid-level people going up into a very partisan environment that is supposed to be behind closed doors, chuck, that was supposed to be classified information, and yet it still was leaked out to the american people. >> does that make sense to you? what do you take away from that? >> it really doesn't. i think the president is using this as a convenient excuse to replace the dni, a career professional, someone who had been a career professional, with someone who is nothing more than a fierce loyalist to donald

trump. i think in the appointment of ric grenell as acting director of national intelligence, president trump has made clear he doesn't want a dni, he doesn't want someone to be his principal intelligence adviser, someone to lead the 17 departments and agencies that comprise our intelligence community. he wants a bill barr for the intelligence community. he wants someone to be there to protect his own interests, even above the national interests, even when president trump's interests conflict with our national security. what ric grenell lacks in intelligence experience, he effectively has none, not one day, he makes up for in fierce partisan loyalty in spades. i think that is precisely what president trump wants out of this position. we have seen him prize loyalty, we have seen him prioritize allegiance across his government. now i fear we're seeing that within our intelligence community. >> i've got a one-word response to that: yikes! ned price, thank you so much.

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as the sanders campaign celebrates a projected win in the silver state, other candidates are looking to the next primary contest, south carolina. that's where we find nbc road warrior priscilla thompson, priscilla, big welcome to you. mayor pete has some issues with the caucus results. what's that all about?

>> reporter: yeah, that's right. so he started his day here in south carolina attending church service after hopping off of a flight at around 4:30 a.m. but nevada is not far from his mind. his campaign actually sent a letter to the nevada democratic party late last night, early this morning, calling into question some of the results, outlining some discrepancies they saw. they're saying this is going to be a very close race between second and third place and they're calling on the party to ensure that these results are accurate. but with that being said, he's got to turn his attention to this next contest here in south carolina. so he attended worship service at the predominantly african-american church and he pitched a message of humility, saying he came before these voters, humbly asking for their vote. he also made a promise to them. take a listen to what he had to say. >> my point standing before you is not to claim that i understand more than i do but rather to promise as the

scripture says, not to lean onto my own understanding too much but to do a lot of listening along the way, not to say that i get it, but to promise to always surround myself with people who will let me know when i don't. >> reporter: i spoke to a pair of women as they left the service today and they said buttigieg is definitely in their top two and that they felt his message was authentic. that's going to be the type of impression he hopes to make over the next few days in south carolina before this race becomes a national primary with super tuesday. >> can i ask, priscilla, who their number one was, when you said those two women, he was in their top two, who else they were voting for? >> reporter: so one woman is also considering tom steyer. and the other woman would not share with me who she was considering as her second choice but i did ask, is it joe biden, he's been polling well here, and she says no, she won't be voting for joe biden on saturday.

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new today, "new york times" columnist ross dothit is asking if bernie is unstoppable after such a big win in nevada. providing lessons from the last election. he writes, the party actors who don't want to see sanders nominate ready finding like never trumpers before them that it's awfully hard to stop a candidate if you can't agree on the alternative. joining me now is rick wilson and amy alison. welcome to you both. rick, i'm going to ask you, do you see parallels in this evolution of sanders 2020 campaign and trump's in 2016? do you agree with that column? >> i think there are striking parallels. look, the calculus in 2016, guys like jeb bush thought, i will wait until trump takes out marco.

marco, thought i will wait until he takes out ted cruz. all that, they all divided up a larger piece of the mipie. it's the same thing here by a person who is not a democrat, who does not share a lot of their goals to elect democrats up and down the ticket and who will do as trump has done. trump cost the republicans 650 seats since he was elected. bernie will make the senate out of reach and may put the house in danger if he is the nominee. the rest of the guys are so divided they can't focus on the fact that he is their main target right now. >> look, trump won the presidency. right? >> well, look, he won against hillary clinton who had -- we ran a 30-year campaign against hillary and so it became this binary choice that republicans swallowed hard and went to school on it. >> amy, as we look ahead to

super tuesday, here is what you tweeted on sanders. he has so much momentum in california. see how many people of color he is organizing there. his campaign learned a lot of lessons from 2016 and they invested a lot in california this time. other campaigns will be hard pressed to catch up. what do you think his win in nevada means going forward for his campaign? is he clearly the front-runner to take on trump in 2020? >> i think what we know for sure is the momentum is on progressive side. that's what the base of the democrats, including women of color want. i have been here in nevada all week talking to women of color who are the base of the party. these are women who clean hotel rooms and are teachers and are grandmas. many of them were bernie sanders supporters. what nevada showed was that the sanders campaign, with investment in people who look like them, organizing their own communities, holding a set of policies that really appeal, including health care among

others, and a really top-notch organizing to get people to the polls, including early voting, those three make the sanders campaign formidable in my home state and the states to come. it's not a guarantee. states that have the next eight states that have substantial black population, black women, which has historically been a weakness for him, but in the last four years, they have made gains. if you look at south carolina, he is almost neck and neck in terms of black support with biden. i think that lesson -- we can't take lessons from republicans who are upset about what trump has done to their party and still assume that moderate and white voters will win the day. it's with women of color. people of color and organizing on the ground. >> what do you think about what she's saying? if women of color show up and they vote for bernie sanders, that he can take out trump. >> well the problem is this battle is waged in the electoral

college. we know how california will vote. there are 15 states, seven hotly in contention, wisconsin, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, florida, those states are not as woke. they tend to be, the northern tier and industrial states, they tend to be moderate. they tend to be older, whiter. you will end up giving a lot of those people who switched from obama to trump, from bernie in the primary to trump in 2016, the same pathway to go down again, because there's an illusion out there that the midwest is this hot bed of hyperphyper progressivism. trump can exploit those states that other democratic candidates could overcome. i think it's going to be a great risk. the election -- california is what it is. new york is what it is. we know how they will vote. those swing states are not as woke as the places where the

democratic pry pimary is won. >> what do you think of his electoral college math? yeah. i think that argument is based on bad information. when we look at the numbers in places like arizona, texas, florida and georgia as well as the midwest, pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan, women of color's turnout up 3% to 5%, matching turnout rates when obama was re-elected would win those states and win the electoral college votes. it's not about woke. most people of color and women of color, the most progressive voters and the most loyal democrats, what the democratic party and every campaign should be doing is having hundreds of millions of dollars in organizing and turning out the base. that's people of color. it's not a occcultural shift. it's people most likely to support the democrats engage to the polls. that's the path to winning. it isn't about some cultural

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democratic dog fight. 50% of the results in, it's bernie sanders. nbc is projecting he will win the nevada caucuses. he has been awarded 13 of those 36 nevada delegates. as for the other candidates, joe biden has 19% of the vote, pete buttigieg has 15%, warren has 10%, klobuchar has 5%. sanders celebrating in texas last night, thanking his supporters and volunteers. >> in nevada and in new hampshire and in iowa, what we showed is that our volunteers are prepared to knock on hundreds and hundreds of thousands of doors. that no campaign has a grass-roots movement like we do, which is another reason why we're going to win this election. >> the buttigieg campaign has questions about the nevada results. it sent a letter to the state's

democratic party asking that it release the totals. correct alignment errors. explain anomalies in the data. the candidates are back out on the campaign trail traveling across the country. they are covering eight states ahead of saturday south carolina primary. a new poll shows joe biden leads followed by sanders. this morning, some candidates are touting their relationship with voters in the state and pointing to the importance of black voters. >> what's happening is you if steyer spends tens of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars out campaigning. i think a lot is happening in terms of the amount of money being spent by the billionaires. to try to cut into the african-american vote. i think that has a lot to do with it. >> it is especially humbling in the middle of black history month to think about what it means to stand before african-american voters and ask them for their vote.

because i know that that vote is not just an expression of a political preference. it is something that was hard won. that that vote is something that was kept often through violence out of black hands. >> i think i have done best with black people, i have done best with latinos. i think that when we get to the diverse democratic electorate, when we get to the diversity that is america and the democratic party, i do a lot better. south carolina happens to be a place that has a pretty high concentration of african-americans. those happen to be people that i talk to a lot and have a lot of -- have a long history of working with. >> with this hour's reporters and analysts, we will explore the implications of the nevada

caucuses and the way forward. let's go to shaquille brewster. it's the day after bernie sanders' projected win. he is looking beyond this coming saturday's primary in south carolina. what's he doing in texas ahead of super tuesday? >> reporter: he is spending a lot of time here. yesterday, it was san antonio and el paso. today, houston and austin, texas. you see the arena behind me. the supporters are starting to fill in now. i spoke to people who are standing in line as early as 8:00 a.m. this morning. when you look at those nevada entrance polls, you see signs of growth for senator sanders. he had 51% of latino voters in that democratic caucus there. 44% of all non-white voters. he was competing among people who consider themselves moderate voters. that's a formula this campaign feels is a winning formula for them not only in nevada but can be successful beyond. listen to what senator sanders said the last time we heard from him last night.

>> in nevada, we have just put together a multi-generational, multi-racial coalition which is going to not only win in nevada, it's going to sweep this country. don't tell anybody -- i don't want to get them nervous. we are going to win the democratic primary in texas. >> reporter: you see senator sanders making a strong super tuesday statement. these are the bigger, more delegate rich states he is going to. he is in texas today. he is going to south carolina. you throw in north carolina and virginia in there. it's very clear, this is a campaign that feels good about nationalizing their message. of course, with all this attention and this clear front-runner status, there will be more scrutiny coming his way. i talked to his supporters. they said, they are expecting that. they know knives may be out from other candidates. they reference the democratic

establishment. they feel like the democratic establishment, as sanders said, may be getting nervous with his success. something many of his supporters believe is they see with him winning, they feel like he is three for three at this point. he won the popular vote in iowa, did well in new hampshire, won in nevada. they feel like this streak of winning will lead to more people coming to his side, more people growing into his movement. they feel like winning leads to more winning. that's what this campaign is hoping for. >> shaq, thank you very much for that. let's go and head over to lee aleeann caldwell. how are democrats reacting to sanders being the one to beat? >> reporter: sanders' success in nevada -- it's this momentum that he has moving forward. it's forcing democrats, especially the democratic

establishment, to realize he could be the nominee. the reason that is causing some jitters among democrats is because they are not only worried -- wondering if he is the right person to beat trump but also if he is the right person to help democrats down ballot. chuck todd asked the congressman from south carolina that on "meet the press." here is what he had to say. >> i think that bernie sanders brings a lot to the table for people to consider. i know why he is nervous like that. anybody who refers to themself as a democratic socialist. that word has had a really dire consequences tlou s throughout carolina. >> reporter: that word democratic socialist is what is most concerning for so many democrats. when you look down ballot, they are trying to maintain their majority in the house of representatives.

they are trying to maintain -- or win the majority in the senate. they are worried the voters that they need to attract, especially the suburban voters that propels democrats to victory in 2018, might not get on board with sanders' message, that democratic socialist, a wholesale change to how the government works, bigger government programs, medicare for all, changing the economy. so whether they have to go compete in these red districts, red states or purple and swing districts, democrats are concerned about sanders at the top of the ticket. sanders is going to have to do a lot of work to convince these democrats should he be the nominee he will be able to propel them over the finish line. >> nobody is taking anything for granted at this point. thank you very much. let's turn now to the candidate not on the ballot in nevada, michael bloomberg, still nine days away from appearing on his first ballot. he remains a large presence in the race.

joining me is sabrina singh. welcome to you. let's get into it here. i'm sure you are familiar with the new cbs poll. it shows that if bloomberg were campaigning in the south carolina primary, he would have a full 41% of democratic voters there considering voting for him. 59% say they would not. does the campaign wish it had reconsidered campaigning in south carolina? >> thank you for having me this weekend and on a sunday. no. we don't regret anything about this. our strategy has been to look ahead at the super tuesday states and beyond. you have to remember that mike only got into the race late november, i believe november 21 was when he actually announced his candidacy. it was not going to be enough time to lay a grass-roots network and put an infrastructure into the early states. we have had the benefit of traveling to the super tuesday states and beyond to not only the delegate rich states but to continue campaigning across this

country while the other candidates in this race have only been able to focus on the four early states in this primary. >> interestingly, sanders projected win in under never comes days after axios reported on the memo released by the bloomberg campaign. it warned sanders would gain a seemingly insurmountable lead. is this still the bloomberg campaign position after nevada? if so, why should it be that those moderate candidates drop out? >> we are the only campaign in this race right now that has the resources and the infrastructure in all the super tuesday states and beyond to compete. not only against donald trump but against sanders. i think leigh ann was talking about this. sanders will be a drag on the down ballot races, particularly in house races that were won by a few points. we need someone that can bring this party together, that can

appeal tore m not moderates and independents. we need a candidate that can reach across to all voters. the only candidate -- it's not a democratic socialist. it's someone like mike bloomberg. >> with regard to the debate the other night, in terms of the performance by mike bloomberg, was he able to reach out to those people that you are specific trying to get? since it doesn't appear that he did that well in the debate, why should he be telling those moderates, you guys, move aside for me? he has yet to prove himself that he would be able to reach those moderate and leaning voters. >> i think what you saw last week was someone that had not been on the debate stage since 2009. we're talking about over ten years of not being on not only a debate stage but with five other candidates who have had many debates to practice and get better. i think come next week, we will

see -- in two days, you know, mike coming back out on stage and bringing his message to the people and talking about why he will be the best president. at the end of the day, this party needs someone that cannot only heal the party, bring people together, but reach out to the independents and republicans that we need to defeat donald trump in 2020. i think that might bloomberg is the only candidate to do that. >> there's a report, which i'm sure you are familiar with, that said bloomberg is lobbying democratic party officials and donors allied with miss moderate opponents, trying to flip their allegiance to him and block sanders in the event of a brokered national convention. is this a strategy as you head into july? >> we are reaching out to everyone and anyone everywhere who wants to support mike. who is concerned that a so-called democratic socialist could win the nomination. we are reaching out to people. at the end of the day, we are not at super tuesday yet. we have more time. we have to see how super tuesday goes and beyond that to even be

i think talking about a brokered convecti convection. >> whether n it comes to a fair fight, if he thinks he can project an image to bring people under the tent, why should he tell others to back off? >> other campaigns do not have the infrastructure and resources that we do to compete with donald trump. we have a robust digital arm that we know we will need to go up against donald trump and the rnc's operation. they are using digital technology and platforms we didn't use in 2016. we are being creative. we have different people coming in from the private and political world to help us not only be a robust campaign but we are meeting people at every single platform that they consume knewnews. we are out there and talking to you. >> look, there are others running -- let's point out that mike bloomberg has been out of government for some time. there are others that are life long democrats, which michael

bloomberg is not. they are perhaps currently in government. would it be something that bloomberg would consider maybe not today but soon down the road, i will back these people financially if i think they have a more viable road to a moderate candidate being nominated to run against donald trump? >> i think that's a lot of hypotheticals. we need to get through super tuesday and see where the state of the race we are in. i am expecting that we have been campaigning in these states where other candidates have not been going. so for us, it's all about going to super tuesday, looking beyond. then i'm happy to come back on when it gets to that time if we need to talk about that. i think it's too early. >> then consider yourself booked on that one. what do you expect to see from bloomberg in the debate tuesday? >> i think what we saw last week is he did deliver one of the most memorable lines. it's so great to be in a country where a democratic socialist can

be a millionaire and own three homes. expect him to continue to hold bernie sanders accountable. one thing that did not come up, which mike has been a huge proponent of is gun control. reducing gun violence. we know that bernie has a record of voting against the brady bill five times in congress. this is a big issue for democrats and americans across the country, the issue of gun violence. i really would love it if at this next debate we can talk about guns. i would expect mike would hold bernie accountable. >> you know what may be coming because warren hammered on mike bloomberg regarding women suggest to nba. >> three have been released. i don't know if they contacted the company to break and to be released from an nda. it's with the company and mike. what i can say is that as a

woman on the bloomberg campaign, i have been treated with nothing but respect. i am surrounded by women who have worked for mike for 20, 30 years. this is a great place for women. i can say that if you come to our campaign office, it's a majority of women office there. i am really proud to be working for mike. looking forward for him to bring his views to the debate stage next week. >> i look forward to speaking with you again, sabrina singh. why won't president trump consider russia as trying to help him win re-election? a leading lawmaker has an opinion on that. k out the buttet has something for every lobster fan like wild caught lobster, butter poached, creamy and roasted. or try lobster sautéed with crab, shrimp and more. so hurry in and let's lobsterfest. or get it to go at red lobster dot com so hurry in and let's lobsterfest. the better question would be where do i not listen to it. while i'm eating my breakfast... on the edges of cliffs... on a ski lift... everywhere. ♪

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we are following breaking news this hour. new reaction today to reports of russia again attempting to interfere in u.s. elections. democrats sounding the alarm. >> the russians never stopped interfering in american polit politics. they don't just get involved in elections. they are involved every single day. analysis of what they have been doing on twitter since 2016 has

been pretty clear. they are weighing in over and over again in support of right wing causes, in support of donald trump's political agenda. of course, it stands to reason that they want donald trump re-elected, because he has been a gift to russia. >> the white house denying reports the kremlin is trying to help trump's reelection. that contradicts the finding of u.s. intelligence officials according to reports. here are two trump officials. >> there's not intelligence that said that the russians are trying to help donald trump win elections. >> there's no briefing that the president received that says president putin is doing anything to influence the elections in favor of president trump. we haven't seen that. >> president trump, on his way to india, also weighed in on the subject earlier on the south lawn. let's go to hans nichols. what did the president say about this? >> reporter: the president clearly had a couple goals when he walked to the camera. he wanted to congratulate bernie

sanders. he wanted to accuse adam schiff of coming with this idea that russia is already interfering in the election, at least on behalf of bernie sanders. he wanted to distance himself from any idea that he has any sort of briefing. i asked him if he has been briefed on russian efforts to meddle on behalf of sanders. here is what he said. >> nobody said it. i read where russia is helping bernie sanders. nobody said it to me. nobody briefed me about that at all. what they try and do is certain people like certain people to have information. no different than it has been. i have not been briefed on that at all. nobody told me about it. >> reporter: that's consistent with sound you played earlier across the administration. they are claiming they have not received a briefing. it's a briefing russian is interfering on behalf of president trump. that's what o'brien said. when i asked trump, it was about

interfering on behalf of sanders. again, a denial. what they are trying to do is blame adam schiff for this. they want to muddy the waters. that appears to be the strategy. they prepare for potential sanders nomination. we heard it from the president that he expected sanders to be the democratic nominee. we will see whether or not that changes. at least are a tore rhetoricall where the president is right now. joining me now, shauna thomas. what is your take on this conflicting information? they say that they have heard reports that russia is working to make sure sanders gets elected but they haven't heard about a russian push to have trump re-elected. do you believe that? >> it's hard to know what to believe the president has actually been briefed on.

the thing that's really actually problematic is we know russian is trying to interfere in our elections. they interfered in 2016. they -- it makes sense they want to interfere in our elections. the disheartening thing about when the president comes out in front of the press as he did and talk to hans is it would be nice if his rhetoric actually matched some of the stuff this administration actually has done. the sanctions haven't been lifted on russia. chuck todd got at this today. the words a president says matter. one of his biggest things that he has going for him is he has a bully pull p bully pulpit. it would be good if he presented a united front with his intelligence community against russia, no matter if it's true that they are trying to get him elected or get sanders elected or whatever. frankly, it's easy -- it would be easy for the president to dismiss the politics. he could take a swipe at adam

schiff by dismissing politics and saying, i think we have to stop russia from interfering in our election. the question we always come back to with this, since 2016 is, why can't he just say that? if he could say that, then also these people in the intelligence community -- we have seen all of the reports that people are getting worried they are not able do their jobs. their jobs are to protect you and i. i think that would go a long way to saying, do your job. >> the fact that some people in the intelligence community are concerned about telling the president for the truth for the fear how he will react to it. right now, we will bring in jeff mason to join the conversation. what's your take on this? do you think that the president has not been briefed on this? >> reporter: it's hard to say. he did say that he wasn't today. yet, his twitter comments and comments from others would certainly indicate that this was on his radar. whether or not there was an actual briefing or not, it's

hard to say. it's, however, consistent with what some other administration officials have been saying. they have been indicating not necessarily whether or not the president was briefed but that the information in that briefing is not exactly what democrats have been raising with regard to the threat of russia interve intervening, both for sanders and for the president. >> on that regard, do you think the administration is behind this idea of russia wanting sanders to win because it helps further did i vivide the democr party? >> i wouldn't say the administration is behind that. i think that it is becoming a talking point coming from the administration in terms of using that to divide. the president made a point of saying on the south lawn, where ha hans and i were standing, that he thought schiff had done this to hurt sanders because democrats were unhappy or the establishment democrats were unhappy with him becoming the

standard ba standard bearer. >> is there any chance the president might be saying that because he thinks of the candidates out there, that he could most easily beat bernie sanders? is there something about his own polling that would suggest that? >> i don't have anything on the polling. i don't think it would be wrong to conclude that trump would be delighted to run against sapd s sanders. accusing democrats or arguing democrats are pushing socialist policies, if he has a self-described democratic socialist as his opponent in the general election, then he will very easily be able to continue using those arguments. i think that he and other people in his campaign would not be unhappy to see sanders as his opponent. >> in general, the president, his advisers who we heard from on sunday talk shows, they seem to brush off this threat. what message does that send?

how dani how damaging could it be? >> it sends a sad message to the people who work in the agencies who are not political to poin e appointees and want to do what's best for the country. one of the thing i've been cussous wicus curious about is if the president wins another term, who even in the political appointments who is good at this, who cares, are going to take these jobs? . you also wonder underneath that, how do you grow another generation of people who want to go into government if they are in a situation where perhaps their work is not appreciated? that's something the administration needs to think about. >> you guys have given us a lot to think about. thank you. a mystery in palm beach that has gone unnoticed. this time it has nothing to do with russia.

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and mystery trespassers. it chronicles how in the past two years, six chinese nationals have been detained after they were found trespassing on march amar-a-lago. they could have inbeen members a secret spy group. an alleged chinese tourist or student found wandering around saying they were taking pictures of building buildings. they claim they stumbled on the property by accident or didn't know they were in areas off limits but they were tourists or students. let's talk about what you found,

where you drew the similarities. >> it's astonishing when you pour through these documents and the transcripts from what was going on during these trials. the details of these students who traveled to key west and would walk around peripheral -- >> a fence that goes into the water. >> walking on the rocks. ignoring signs that say warning, military zone, do not go here. then taking photos from the water in some cases. there's another instance january 4, two students drive past a guard. they drive around the base for half an hour. this is according to the complaint. before they are stopped by security. what's weird is that they willingly turn over their photos. what it seems to be is they are not spy masters them service s not spy masters them servis the. they have been asked to ask the photos. it's a web being run out of beijing. the fbi is concerned about this and is looking closely at this. it's very difficult to connect

the dots. >> what's interesting, the ones who self-identify as tourists, you look at the phones. they are no tourists. there's nothing on there that suggests they are tourists. >> they say, i came down here to see this site and that site. they know what to say. the photos of those sites aren't on the phone. instead, it's the truman annex at a naval base that they got on. it's astonishing. the mar-a-lago cases, two women, their profiles are similar. it's similar, the key west naval base they send young chinese students. then the women who were caught were at mar-a-lago. they are older. one of them, she served eight months in prison before being deported. she had heard about an event at mar-a-lago. it was canceled. she showed up. trump was staying there at that time. she had multiple cell phones, usb drives. even radiofrequency technology

to detect hidden cameras. >> who travels with that who is not doing that kind of -- >> that's a great question. >> you had another woman who -- maybe it was this woman. spent time behind bars, supposed to be deported. wasn't there a period of time she was not. they couldn't find her? >> the woman who had all those devices, she was arrested. did spend eight months in jail. actually now it's unclear where she is. i have sources telling me one thing. we're not ready to report. they have kept it quiet. authorities don't want this to be a big story. they don't want to mess up an investigation that's ongoing right now. >> wasn't there a woman who went and she just walked on the property, a chinese woman, walked off the property and -- >> turned away at the front gate. down in palm beach, if you go to

mar-a-lago, there's not a sidewalk you can walk on. these are wealthy people who live here. this is a private club. >> security. >> exactly. she walked on the street and entered through the service entrance in the back. it's hard to do that. mar-a-lago is porous. i have driven through that service entrance. when trump is not there, there's not a ton of security. that raises other questions. should there be more security at mar-a-lago? from my experience? people going to mar-a-lago when there's not an event, membership or just presence of people is down. there's not a ton of people going in there. she was able to wander on took photos with her phone. >> look, frank ferglusi, being one of our national security analysts, he said that -- is calling these things, these six different arrests as being coincidental. it takes a lot to organize

coincidences like this. he is very suspicious. >> it's classic frank. nobody says it better to him. this couldn't be anything other than a coordinated effort. he's not the only one. >> it is being looked at? >> this is a top priority for the fbi. let's just say in the southern part of the united states, because these are all -- these instances were close to very sensitive sites. the president's residence down in florida and a naval base that you don't wander onto. you have to try to get there. >> it's a very compelling sorry. it's really good. good investigative reporting. thank you so much. the democrats' dilemma. at today's best western,

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new today, white house officials rejecting reports of a house intelligence committee briefing saying russia may be interfering in the 2020 election to help president trump. my next guest says in this election, facts may not matter. she raises questions about how far the president will go to hold onto power. joining me now, sara deparry, speech writer for obama. i have to point out this article. almost every word has been highlighted, including your headline. the title is, trump is going to cheat. how so? how do you expect the president to cheat? >> i think the challenge is that

we almost can't imagine the number of ways he is going to cheat. we know he lies. we know he is going to continue telling lies. we know he will completely misrepresent his record. for example, the budget will cut medicare and medicaid. he will say he will add to it. we know it's not true. we know he tried to cheat and was impeached for it. he basically exported an ally of ours in order to get political dirt on a political opponent. it was for his own personal gain. he has done it. he was acquitted by a completely partisan republican senate that was willing, basically, to give him what he wants. now he is even more emboldened. we don't know what he is going to do. we don't know how it's going to happen. in addition to that, one of the things we know is that he is launching this billion dollar

misinformation campaign that the likes of which we have never seen. if you put it all together, it's clear that he is not going to play by the same old typical political rules. we have always known that. i think what's coming into sharper relief is that it's going to be chaotic. that's kind of what he wants. i don't flow know if we're prep to handle that. >> not prepared to handle that, this is an electability crisis for the democratic nominee that he or she faces. how does one run against a president by the description you are portraying? >> right. i think the challenge -- there are many -- is that we talk about electability as though it's just about who has the policies that can attract obama/trump voters and who can energize our base? those are important questions. if we spend time worrying about how someone is going to hypothetically pay for medicare for all, we are missing the ball game here. i think that the dread perm

permeating this is that we don't flow how to run against somebody who is not going to play by the rules. i don't think the answer is for us to do the same thing. i don't think the answer is for democrats to get in the mud and to lie and cheat. that breeds a cynicism about the process that will turn voters are -- we can put pressure on senate republicans to do things like actually pass election security bills that they are holding up. make the case that it's fundamentally unamerican to not protect our elections. there needs to be more public outrage about this. >> since you say there's no amount of fact checking that can counter him, why is it the facts are not powerful enough to make a substantial case against this president? what does that say about society or how far we have slipped? >> i don't think it says that

people want their elected officials to lie. it says more about the information environment we're in. as we know, we live in this frag emergenciy fragmented media outlet. we know that republican voters only trust some outlets. those outlets are propaganda machines for this white house. if they are getting distorted information or outright lies and they have come to believe that those things are true, it's hard to break through. i think that so much of what's happening -- i talk about this in the piece. the president is doing so many different things. things that in the past never would have been done. they are disqualifying. add it up and it disorients you. you can't grasp it. there's no way to hold onto it to combat it. i think after a while, people just sort of say, that's all politici politicians. trump did a good job of maybing that case in 2016 that all

politicians are like this. of course, they are not. it makes people sort of cynical. >> i think what you are describing is sewing chaos. one last thing is you explore is the idea the president would not accept defeat. how do you see that playing out? >> i know that sound -- that would have sounded like a conspiracy theory. you wonder, maybe it's possible. we don't know what it would look like technically if he lost an election and everybody agrees he lost. he would be escorted out. i think the fear is that he is generating distrust in the election. he is suggesting they are trying to rig it and he will continue to say the election would be rigged against him if he is not doing well. it's possible that republican secretary of states wouldn't certify election results. he will say, i don't agree with this. the republican party would go along with it in a way we have never seen before. that's the danger of him not accepting the election. >> every single person out there, every voter ought to read this article. it's called, trump is going to

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new warnings today from a nonpartisan watchdog group. the republican party is accused of sending misleading census forms to voters in michigan weeks ahead of the official count. joining us now, arturo nellio. what's the rnc doing here and why are they doing it? i know the problem starts with these misleading envelopes which are labeled do not destroy, official document. they appear similar to the census documents. what's worrying you about this? >> it's concerning. it's happening all over the country, here in california as well. households are receiving mail that deceptively says it's the census when the actual united

states 2020 census is going to begin on march 12th. we don't need the public to be confused in terms of which mail they're receiving that says census is authentic and which is partisan scam. >> how can the rnc do that? that's just flatout lying. aren't they asking questions about republican ideals or issues they would support? it's all political. it's not a census. >> it's not a census. i believe what the rnc is doing is using the fact that there is a high awareness that the 2020 census is coming, they're using the word census as a fund-raising ploy. we don't need that right now. what we need is the american public's confidence that the 2020 census is about to be undertaken and it's safe and confidential and everybody should participate. >> we've got to be accurate. there's a poll from pugh research that found 56% of

americans believe a citizenship question is still going to exist. the supreme court ruled against a census question, so it's not going to be on the census. why is there so much confusion? >> because there was so much coverage of the administration's effort to add a question beginning in 2018 and most of 2019. we conducted our own poll of latino people across the country, and half of them, u.s. citizens as well as immigrants, believe there will be a citizenship question on the form. that only leads to people having skepticism and doubt about whether or not they should participate. so we know, just one thing, our organization, we have to clean up the mess created by this administration, that have confused people about whether or not citizenship will be asked. hour job is harder as well as the census bureau's job. >> it's the first time this

census you will be able to respond online. only one in five from that pugh research poll know that. in just a couple of seconds, can you tell me what the big challenge is with that for you? >> the big challenge is to make sure people understand they can respond online, by paperu paper or by phone. many people may not have trust in submitting their information online. you could do it in any one of those three. >> thank you so much for the chat. thanks. best of luck. the spread of the coronavirus, where it could be getting even worse. that's coming up. lobster fan like wild caught lobster, butter poached, creamy and roasted. or try lobster sautéed with crab, shrimp and more. so hurry in and let's lobsterfest. or get it to go at red lobster dot com

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that is all the time we have for this hour. i'm alex witt. thanks for watching. joshua johnson is taking over. it's a big deal i'm on time. >> yes, it is. good to finally be here. >> well, good to see you. i'm joshua johnson, glad to be with you live from new york. lots to talk about today. senator bernie sanders won big in nevada, but who won second? or third? still waiting for results as the candidates move on to south carolina. we are reporting from across the country with the latest from the sanders campaign as well as the buttigieg campaign, which will face a crucial test in south carolina. also, there's no fallout from president trump's controversial pick for the acting head of national intelligence. the latest from the white house, as republicans defend this higher. plus coronavirus is spreading fast beyond