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that is all the time we have for this hour. i'm alex witt. thanks for watching. joshua johnson is taking over. it's a big deal i'm on time. >> yes, it is. good to finally be here. >> well, good to see you. i'm joshua johnson, glad to be with you live from new york. lots to talk about today. senator bernie sanders won big in nevada, but who won second? or third? still waiting for results as the candidates move on to south carolina. we are reporting from across the country with the latest from the sanders campaign as well as the buttigieg campaign, which will face a crucial test in south carolina. also, there's no fallout from president trump's controversial pick for the acting head of national intelligence. the latest from the white house, as republicans defend this higher. plus coronavirus is
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spreading fast beyond china, with more than 2400 deaths. following the latest developments and the fight to prevent a pandemic. we begin with the nevada caucus and the results that are still coming in. it's clear that bernie sanders won big stifling his priefblz' hopes of winning there. >> brothers and sisters, if we stand together, we will not only defeat trump. we will transform this country and create a government and an economy that works for all of us, not wealthy campaign contributors. thank you all very much. [ cheers and applause ] >> by the time the results were coming in, the vermont senator had already taken his victory party to texas, a super tuesday state. he is set to rally crowds in houston at any moment. many consider that as test for each of the candidates. how would they win the state
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over? can they keep it going with the diverse voters in the primaries ahead? they're not going to have much time to think about it. check out the schedule for the rest of this month and next. south carolina on saturday, then super tuesday which could be the end of the road for some, more than a thousand delegates up for grabs that day. let's start with nbc's shaquille brewster following the sanders campaign in houston. and shaq, i imagine that the campaign and his supporters are feeling pretty good right now? >> reporter: yeah. it was just a couple of minutes ago a big band was plagying. you're hearing bernie beats trump, green new deal. the campaign feels good about where they are. in their eyes, they won the first three contests. iowa was that delegate tie, but they point to the popular vote in iowa. kts clear that supporters feel good about the positiontion of
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the campaign and feel momentum that will not only carry them beyond nevada and south carolina but to the super states, bigger more delegate rich states. listen to what a couple told me a couple minutes ago. >> well, i think you can expect some more dogged attacks. his message continues to resonate with his base and the working class people. >> and in just the next couple of days, he'll be in south carolina, north carolina, going to virginia, he's making it clear that he's ready to nationalize this message. i do want to point out one quick fund-raising email that came out sent to his supporters. establishment, draelts democrats, republican and media are beyond nervous. they're realizing they no longer have the power. we do. they feel momentum and hope
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they're making other people a little bit nervous. jeff? >> yeah. >> joshua, i'm sorry. >> first day. it sounds kind of like they're relishing that panic, like he's glad he's got everyone on the line? >> reporter: that's exactly right. this goes back to the idea of him being that outsider. this is not a campaign used to being in a front-runner status. from 2016 when he was taking on the hillary clinton machine he liked being in the outsider position. that's the same tone you're hearing. they like the fact that he's not -- if you look at his voter reg station, democrat, he does caucus with the democrats. many of thinks supporters say they like the fact that he has not been a democrat. they like that he's come from vermont, that he's been consistent on issues. you hear that over and over when talking to supporters, and something you hear sanders relish the fact, he's not only
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getting president trump nervous, the republican establishment nervous, but he says he's getting the democratic establishment nervous, and that's something that his supporters regularly cheer. >> they're fired up. you're making me rethink the volume of my earpiece. everybody sounds like they're having a good time. thanks very much. clearly bernie sanders won nevada but that's all we know. it's been almost 24 hours since the caucuses ended and we don't have all the results. now there's word nominating sanders could affect congressional races. let's pick that up with leigh ann caldwell who joins us from las vegas. this is a far cry from the kind of chisel and stone tablets feel we had in iowa. what is taking so long? >> reporter: the state democratic party they tell me that they have to comply with these dnc requirements to set -- to report three sets of numbers
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that include the first alignment of voters, the second alignment of voters, and then they have the early voters, the people who voted in person, not at the caucus, that they also have to take into consideration. so they say that it's going to take time. they are stressing accuracy over speed. but overall they're pretty pleased with how it went. there was a lot of pressure on democrats here to make sure this went off without a hitch. they think it did. they're okay it's taking time. let's not honest, it seems like these caucuses and this process how it is now is on its last legs, especially here in nevada, joshua. >> i've got to admit, sometimes i look at these and am not sure of what to think. we live in cable news where we kind of expect everything right now. then again it's not like we're having reports that votes were lost or there was a major compromise. how is the nevada state state
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thinking about this? are they happy this went within the range of a decent caucus? >> reporter: i had an interview with former majority leader harry reed and we talked a lot about this. he said that there needs to be changes to this proes. he ess. he's not only concerned that the fact that iowa and new hampshire are the ones to vote first, considering the fact they have so little diversity. but he also gave very strong hints that even here in nevada, that the caucus process needs to go. he didn't want to completely dampen the entire process before people completed it this cycle, but he said he's going to have something to say very soon. the reason he's important, joshua, is because while he's no longer in office, he still has a lot of sway over what happens here in nevada with the democratic party. so we could see some major changes to the process. >> before i let you go, leanne, what's become of that coalition
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of voters bernie sanders pulled together? i think it surprised some people that he was able to do that. how are they reflecting on his win now? >> reporter: well, shaq has said that his -- that his team put out a statement that the establishment is freaking out about bernie sanders. and that's absolutely true. i just got off the phone with a member of congress, who was in a tough re-election. this member flipped the district from republican to democrat. and they said that the best way to ensure that his district goes back republican is for bernie sanders to be at the top of the ticket. and so there's a lot of concern among democrat establishment that bernie sanders has this momentum and might be the actual nominee. they want to beat trump but also maintain control of the house of representatives and win seats in the senate. they're concerned bernie sanders
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is not the person to enable them to do that. >> leanne, thanks very much. so let's look ahead to south carolina. former south bend mayor pete buttigieg is positioning himself as the only one who can beat bernie sanders. he said so last night during a speech in las vegas. >> this is our only shot to beat donald trump. so i am asking americans to make sure we get this choice right. hours is the only campaign that has beaten senator sanders anywhere in the country during this campaign cycle. [ cheers and applause ] >> now on to prissila thomp sonl. nevada is reporting that the buttigieg campaign sent a letter alleging errors in caucus reporting for early voting. what's up with that? >> reporter: that's right. the buttigieg campaign isn't quite ready to just accept these results as they've been -- are starting to be presented, joshua. you mentioned that letter that the campaign sent to the nevada democratic party early this
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morning, late last night, calling into question those results. specifically focused on the early voting numbers. the campaign is calling for the democratic party to release the early vote and in-person numbers by precinct. buttigieg's deputy campaign manager told nbc news he believes there is a razor thin margin between second place and third place and they want to ensure when those results are announced they are accurate. vaughn hillyard just got off the phone with the nevada communications director. she told him we never indicated we would release a separate breakdown of early vote and attendee voters. the nevada democratic party is signaling if the buttigieg campaign has an issue with the reporting, thoel need to file a formal request to challenge those. >> that's campaign inbed prissila tompson.
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thank you. now onto the latest with president trump. he is en route to india for his first official agenda there. meanwhile in washington, there is tension over data confirming what we already knew. that russia will attack the 2020 election. house lawmakers got details on this at an intelligence briefing last week. seems russia wants president trump to win a second term. but national security adviser robert o'brien says there is no evidence of that. >> there's no briefing that i've received that the president's received, that says that president putin is doing anything to try and influence the elections in favor of president trump. we haven't seen that intelligence. i'd be surprised if i haven't seen it. the leaders of the i.c. have not seen it. i don't know where this is coming from. >> what you just heard from mr. o'brien contradicts what former and current intelligence officials told nbc news.
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it made mr. trump so mad he dismissed his acting director of national intelligence, joseph mcguire. he's now casting more blame, this time on democrat adam schiff. >> reporter: there are two denials, that the president hasn't received a briefing. robert o'brien's is stronger. he's saying this intelligence out there does not exist. and that's a pretty blanket statement. and so to try to square those two positions, you hear from the president that they are blaming adam schiff with concocting this information, saying this is coming from the lens and filter of schiff and that it can't be trusted. >>, now, how is that possible? i mean we've heard -- >> adam schiff and his group, they leaked it to the papers. and as usual, they ought to investigate adam schiff for leaking that information. he should not be leaking information out of intelligence.
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they ought to investigate adam schiff. >> so joshua, i should have made it more clear they were going to hear from the president. when you listen to what he's actually saying, he's trying to turn this around onto schiff. here's the reality. there will likely be breefgds on capitol hill, prebriefings that the calendar sets, where they go down, christopher wray, acting odni richard grenell, under testimony, under subpoena, under the penalty of perjury, and they will be asked if russia is actively intervening. up to this point it's been from the mueller report, consistent, that russia continues to intervene in the election. let's see what they say under oath before congress if and when they're hauled before there. now it's difficult to square what's coming and what white house officials up to the president are saying. >> i'm glad you mentioned the mueller report. in a way i'm wondering what
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difference this point in the story makes? every since his report came out and before, we've heard a steady drumbeat of concern, russia did it before, will again. is this a spitting match between the president and adam schiff or is this bigger than that? >> reporter: it seems it's more relevant in terms of just where it is on the timeline. the latest intelligence that we're reporting and others are, this has to do with bernie sanders. that shows you a level of involvement from russia, whoever, within the former soviet union, whether or not it's actually calibrated and targeted for the primary. this seems like a new iteration. it's a least a month old. it does seem to be relevant that they continue to do it and that they continue to modify what they're doing. and that seems to be again what we're hearing from our own reporting and others, what the russians are up to. and again that's why
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congressional hearings are useful, because someone under oath will be there explaining what they're doing, how they're doing it, has the intensity changed? has the velocity or targets changed? these can be posed to officials before congress. >> especially because the russians have the benefit of having done it once and seen how it worked. that's hans mic olz at the white house. much more to come. looking ahead to south carolina, joe biden is banking on a big win there. will he get it? what might bernie sanders' big win in nevada tell us about the coalition he might build from he here? also the weinstein trial, just ahead. save up to 65% off top mattress brands. now through february 24th. score extra savings on mattresses from tempurpedic, serta, beautyrest and sealy, starting at just $399! kick back and relax while we do all the heavy lifting.
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the country. >> joe biden's good feelings about african-americans have done him little good in the delegate count so far. after three races in three states with low black populations. nevada is not done counting votes but biden is currently in second place. the latest poll shows that 69% of african-american democratic primary voters are either enthusiastic about or comfortable with biden. senator bernie sanders is gaining ground among black voters nationally. worth noting, with every candidate within the numbers you see, far more black voters said they were comfortable than enthusiastic. will south carolina be the firewall that biden' campaign is founting on? if not what's the future of his campaign look like? if it has one. let's discuss it with kristina greer at fordham university. professor greer, welcome. >> thank you. >> back together again.
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>> i know. >> we take an oath. >> one day at a time. >> one day at a time. >> i'm glad you're here to talk about this, the results of this poll. i wonder if it is joe biden losing support with black voters, bernie sanders appealing to different black voters? >> i think it can be both and. comfortable with does chb mean would vote for. we know the black electorate is diverse. we know joe biden had a built-in black base because of his loyalty to obama. largely because of name recognition. we've seen him do pretty poorly in the first two competitions. he got a little ground in nevada, but it's do or die for joe biden in south carolina. as we've seen michael bloomberg gaining, anytime a candidate announces they have a big bump sometimes for a few days, with bloomberg money it can extend.
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but we saw in new hampshire, in the primary, bloomberg was not on the ballot and 4700-plus people wrote bloomberg in. i'm very curious to see how many south carolina voters will write in bloomberg on next saturday to express their excitement for his campaign or at least their willingness to give the democratic party a sort of signal that they want to see him sort of, you know, in super tuesday. >> that could be kind of a terrifying sign for joe biden depending on how it turns out. if you with your experience of eight years with barack obama are losing ground while someone like michael bloomberg has spent a fortune to get in is gaining ground, that sounds like stage one of political cancer of the bone? >> right. we know joe biden's third time running, he's not done well
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historically, baggage coming in, certain voters are thinking about for the general election and how the president would use hunter biden as an akelly's heel. tom steyer, the other billionaire in the race, has been investing pretty significantly in black institutions across the state. he has a lot more name recognition in south carolina than in a lot of the super tuesday states. >> jim clyburn was on "meet the press" this morning. he said joe biden's poor debate performance played a factor. here is more of what he told chuck todd. >> in the first two contests, people from south carolina, like around the country, were looking at this. and i've heard from a lot of the people that they thought that joe biden could have done more to engage on the -- during the
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debates, thought he could have done more to say why he would be deserving. and so i think he's suffered from that. >> now congressman clyburn has not endorsed anyone. he might wednesday after the next debate on tuesday. based on that assessment, where do you think that the leading figures in south carolina go from here? is there still a chance for joe biden? do people start to see this bernie sanders coalition and say, that's the star we want to hitch our wagon to? >> as we've seen, i think a lot of people are waiting to see what the debate looks like. joe biden has not been very strong. barack obama has also decided to sit on the sidelines. i think joe biden in 2020 has a bit of a hillary clinton problem from 2016 and 2015 even, running their initial campaign, a touch too much like a corenation as
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opposed to a real campaign. i think joe biden came into this thinking, i was vice president, it's essential my time, hillary clinton is not running. and bernie sanders has been organizing across the country for quite some time. pete buttigieg has come out of the woodwork. i don't know what his campaign looks like going forward now that we have a lot more diverse states. and the same with amy klobuchar. you about i think joe biden has been knocked off of his footing quite a bit. and south carolina will really show us whether or not he has a future. >> black voters are neither a monolith nor aweton mised. it's interesting to see what south carolinians decide to do. >> strategically. >> associate professor of science at fordham, thanks. >> good to see you. >> on day one. >> day one. >> day one. >> happy to be here. >> thank you very much. much more to come on my day
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apologized after passengers were let off without being properly test. the most deaths outside of china are in iran. many schools, universities and cultural centers are closed. and in china, the infectiontion and death rates rise. more than 11 million people in wuhan, team from the world health organization is heading there. let's get more details with nbc's matt bradley. i'm wondering where things go from here. we've had more than a thousand new cases in the last 24 hours globally. the world health organization is trying to coordinate this response. then you have china and criticism over the way it dealt with the epidemic including just sharing information. what's next? >> reporter: yeah, you know as you mentioned, joshua, it doesn't sound like a lot of good news.
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you have noticed the news is migrating out from china and into other countries. and that's really, really troubling. now, there is one glimmer of hope. in china we heard that there was 648 new cases across the country. 97 new deaths. but most of those cases are concentrated in hubei province. that's the heart of the epidemic. that means in china we're getting some early indications that this might kind of be contained. that could change at any time. and the real problem as you mentioned is now they have this virus spreading on multiple contents. the world health organization is very concerned about when this virus might reach health systems that even aren't as developed, with heavy populations where it could spread quickly. that's where the world health organization has been stepping in. w.h.o. declared it a global health emergency last month.
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they haven't designated it as a global pandemic, which is terrifying. the director of the world health organization said they needed to act quickly before the narrowing window of opportunity closed completely. so we really are on the precipice of seeing this move from a china-based epidemic to a global pandemic. joshua? >> thank you. that's matt bradley reporting from london. meanwhile new jersey's governor is facing a very different health issue with a pretty good prognosis. phil murphy announced a tumor on a kidney, possibly cancerous. he says he will have surgery early next month. it's called a partial nev rectmy. it preserves as much of the kidney as possible. it was caught early and his chances look good. his diagnosis highlights the need for affordable health care. a british ryal is denying he
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had sex with an underaged girl trafficked by jeffrey epstein. it involves prince andrew happened back in 2001. a former rayol protection officer claims the duke of york was verbally abusive when he arrived that night. prince andrew claimed to have been at home with his children. he's denied knowing the victim despite published pictures with the two of them. she claims she was trafficked to the prince by jeffrey epstein. epstein died by suicide. u.s. investigators say the prince has not cooperated with their investigation at all. the harvey weinstein trial resumes tomorrow with jury deliberations to try and break a deadlock. on friday jurors indicated they were deadlocked on two of the most serious counts. they were unanimous on the other three. let's explore what that might
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mean with katy fang, an attorney and msnbc contributor. >> welcome. >> so good to be with you. >> miami, very much at the epicenter of the weinstein story. or epstein. why is the jury deadlocked on those two charges? what it about those that they're struggling with? >> if you're a member of a jury in a criminal case and looking at the fact that the defendant is looking at the potential of life in prison, if he's found guilty of predatory sexual assault in the state of new york, it should give you cause for pause. even if it was a misdemeanor, you should take your role and responsibility as seriously as possible. what's happening here is the prosecution in this case decided to go after this very serious offense of predatory sexual assault. and that particular two counts that deal with two specific victims was bolstered by the
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in prison. i suspect the judge would give him jail time. >> that's attorney katy fang, thanks for your info. >> thank you. more drama between the president and the intelligence community. the growing fallout after he picked a leader for the u.s. intelligence agencies who has no national intelligence experience. the trump administration is on defense after ousting joseph mcguire. we'll get into that in just a moment. stay close. urance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it - with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa
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the president's frustration he wasn't briefed before they were. you had mid level people going up into a partisan environment supposed to be closed doors. that was supposed to be classified, and it was leaked out to the american people. >> that classified information involved russia's plot to attack our next election, a plot that intelligence officials briefed house lawmakers on. the trump administration is denying that cost joseph mcguire his job. richard grenell, the u.s. ambassador to germany, is temporarily the dni. he had no experience before now in this. the trump relationship with intelligence community has been complex to say the least. what will this change mean to the intelligence community? let's discuss it with javid ali.
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he's the former senior director for correspondent terrorism at the national security council. welcome. >> thank you. and congratulations again on your first day. >> thank you very, very much. i appreciate all of the congratulations. because you got that out of the way, i will allow this interview to continue. the guy that oversaw the raid that killed osama bin laden in 2011, he writes, as americans we should be frightened, deeply afraid for the future of the nation. when good men and women can't speak the truth, when facts are inconvenient, integrity doesn't matter, when self preservation are more important than national security, there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil. mark short who is the chief of staff to vice president mike pence says that admiral mccraven doesn't know what he's talking about. what do you say?
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>> that is a very powerful opinion piece from the admiral, especially the words that you referenced. and my own perspective, this is complex. joshua, as you mentioned, looking just sort of at face -- at face value at ambassador grenell's intelligence qualifications there doesn't seem to be the same level of experience that any of the other five that have held that, and he as an acting dni, have the same -- they had much more experience and depth in various as spebts of national security and/or intelligence. he does not have that. his appointment, even if temporary for a few weeks or serves as admiral mcguire did in a longer acting/temporary capacity, what will his agenda be? what will his priorities be? will he operate more as a
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political loyalist to the president or try to oversee this complex, vast intelligence enterprise that i was part of for my entire career? and stayed more on the right side as opposed to the political? we don't know the answer so that yet. certainly people are asking a lot of tough questions right now. >> let's clarify about what the dni does. there is such a wide intelligence apparatus in this country that now we have a person who's job it is to make sure that everyone knows what everyone else is doing. that sounds like the kind of job that requires communication skills, coordination skills, you know, negotiation, relationship building, why not have someone who's loyal to the president in that job as long as he knows how to make sure that everybody knows what everyone else is doing? >> you can certainly make that argument, that you can be a political loyalist as long as you serve the function of the dni, joshua, as you just
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described. one of those key functions is to oversee the integration and coordination within the 17-member intelligence community. when i got into the intelligence community in 2002 the dni and office did not exist. in 2004 it was created. in my own career i was able to see the evolution not only of that position but of the bureaucracy of them. i also served for six years in two different positions. i had an insiders view of how the organization was evolving and trying to execute this mission it had. also to work for someone like general clapper as the dni, when he was, under president obama, seeing the skills he brought to the table. >> i know we've got to split in a minute. robert o'brien the national security adviser told cbs he was not given the report. he added, i get this secondhand
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from republican congress moman that meeting. is that possible that he would not have this kind of information about national security? >> it seems unusual for the national security adviser to say that. and if that did happen, then i would have to agree with the national security adviser, that would seem to be sort of a process follow in the sense if you're the dni or office of the dni and have got a sentive intelligence briefing you're going to give to congress, one would think that you would at least let the white house know that, a, it would be happening, or b, potentially here are the results, because the white house and president are customers and consumers just the way members of congress are. being on the outside it's hard to know what happened. if it did happen the way mr. o'brien described it that would be a process foul. >> university professor jafbid
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billionaires. all i know is i have been lucky, made a lot of money, and i am giving it all away to make this country better, and a good chunk of it goes to the democratic party as well. >> should you have earned that much money? >> yes, i worked very hard for it. and i am giving it away. >> many billionaires like michael bloomberg give big money to good causes but few give so much to their own campaigns. his wealth is fuelling an operation that has won key endorsements and a respectable place in the polls all before he comes up on a ballot. his democratic rivals say he is trying to buy the nomination.
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should democrats challenge president trump with a candidate who is not made of money? or perhaps, to beat a rich powerful 70-something white guy, maybe you just need another rich, powerful 70-something white guy. let's discuss with david callahan of new york. david, welcome to the program. >> great to be here. >> why is bloomberg's wealth such a problem? we have had wealthy presidents before. we have a wealthy president now, regardless of what you think of him politically. is his wealth that much of an impediment to him being a good commander in chief? >> michael bloomberg is a case study in using wealth to buy influence. 20 years ago, bloomberg was just another billionaire in manhattan that nobody had ever merd of. here we are, $1 billion later in political spending and he is being taken seriously as a contender for the nomination for president after spending three terms as a republican mayor of
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new york. it is hard to think of a more kind of striking case of somebody using wealth to go for political power in this country. >> don't we all kind of see campaigns that do that? i mean whether it is a campaign that raised -- recent years we have had campaigns raising a billion dollars at a at the same time. millions of dollars raised at dinners and fund-raisers and from financiers and big money donors and pete buttegeig raising money in a wine cave in california? isn't this the way the game is played and michael bloomberg is a concentrated version of this game? >> a very concentrated version. michael bloomberg spent $300 million to get elected three times as mayor. he spent $450 million so far. and we haven't talked about his philanthropic spending which i track as editor of inside
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philanthropy. he spend $10 billion on his charitable giving in the last 15 years. a striking amount of money. >> you wrote a piece on bloomberg that highlights him as quote a exceptionally sophisticated giver who focuses laser like on critical challenges and deploys mountains of cash to achieve measurable impact. is it better in your view to let billionaires spend their money, their larges as they see fit or to tax billionaires directly and let the government do it? is it different if the same end is achieved by different means? >> i think it is highly problematic to have private individuals using their wealth to shape public policy at this level. if you like the things that bloomberg has been doing maybe you are not so troubled. i mean, he has been one of the most effective givers to close down coal fire powered nts play and try to reduce the amount of
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carbon emissions. michael bloomberg has given the sierra club $150 million to close down over 250 coal fired power plants. that's an impressive track record. he is the only donor who has gone toe to toe with the nra to push gun safety. this is a guy who knows how to get things done. again, do we want billionaires in the driver's seat of public policy and public life. >> david callahan is cofounder and senior fellow at the most senior policy center in new york. next hour we will get back to the campaign trail as the candidates prepare for north carolina when the news continues on msnbc. at today's best western,
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hey there, i'm joshua johnson, glad to be with you from msnbc headquarters in new york. it has been exactly 24 hours since the nevada caucuses began, and they are still counting votes. but here's a look at the current leader board. senator sanders has a commanding lead at 47%. mr. biden is well behind. but one thing is clear. senator bernie sanders is now the candidate to beat in the democratic primary. sanders won handily, more than doubling the votes of his closest rival. and he just spoke to a fired up crowd in houston a short time ago. >> our campaign is about two fundamental issues. number one, together we will defeat the most dangerous
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president in the modern history of this country. [ cheers and applause ] you know, we have won the popular vote in iowa. we won the new hampshire primary. we won the nevada caucus. and don't tell anybody, because these folks get very, very agitated and nervous, we are going to win here in texas. >> let's begin in texas with nbc's shaquille brewster live from the sanders rally in houston. shaq, this feels somewhat like a victory lap. but senator sanders doesn't seem to be celebrating. he just seems to be kind of marching on. >> that's right. you could call it part two of the celebration here in houston. he is going to be in austin
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later today. let me let you see the size of the crowd here in houston. what you are hearing from senator sanders is really a celebration not only of the results you have seen out of nevada. you are also hearing him talking about the polling that we are seeing. something in the way he started the rally was he went through polls, hypothetical matchups that came out, one by one, state bite state, pennsylvania, wisconsin, even mentioned florida this is a campaign that is feeling good. thur riding on the momentum that iowa, and new hampshire and nevada have given him. >> his message has always been clear. it has been powerful and it continues to resonate with his base and the working class people of the states. i think as long as he is clear on his message, i don't see anyone really holding him back. >> mayor pete n his victory
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speech he sort of had a snipe at senator sanders saying he wasn't really bringing people together. >> reporter: what you are hearing from sanders is that he is proud of this coalition that you are starting to see form. in the nevada entrants polls, 49% of all non-white voters, he was competing among moderate voters. this campaign is putting together a group of people, group of voters will have been successful not only in south carolina, which is the next state to vote, but in the key super tees states. he was in california before the nevada caucuses. he is in texas, going to north carolina, south carolina, and then virginia. it is showing it is serious about the national message. >> i am interested in the clip you played from a sanders supporter about buttegeig taking shots at bernie sanders. we will get into that in a little bit. thank you, shaq. >> we know that bernie sanders is the victor in nevada but we still don't know the final results as we said.
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the votes are being tallied. already reports of hotlines getting jammed. garrett haake joins us from las vegas. do we know what is taking so long. >> it is about all the math that nevada democrats have to do. the national party required states that held caucuses this year to report three different sets of data, the raw vote totals for each candidate. the totals after rei linements that happened on caucus day. then the delegate numbers. it has to be done for more than 2,000 individual precincts. they have to call in and then the officials have to check those numbers. there was an app that iowa used that was designed to make this reporting quicker. as we sue in iowa, the app was a disaster and there was in reporting-2 through it at all. in nevada they are getting reporting out. more than 60% of the vote
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confirmed and reported now. it is going to be slower because they have to do all the math by hand. but the democratic party knew it was going to be an issue. they threw money at it. they hired a call center with more than 200 operators specially trained for this job, to take in these results and get them all down on paper. it is moving along at a pace that we and other networks and observers have been able to call the race but the raw data coul
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