i will see you right back here at 5:00 p.m. eastern for "meet the press". "deadline white house" with nicolle wallless starts right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york and another day of so much breaking news, we can't get the line out. the sports world and beyond mourning the loss of basketball legend, kobe bryant and his daughter, gianna, at a memorial service that just wrapped up today. the political world grappling with an unconventional frontrunner after his divisive win saturday. global financial markets reeling from fears of the coronavirus and the #me too movement hearing one of its loudest legal echoes on two criminal sex counts. first, the markets responding to global fears over the coronavirus, which is now spreading rapidly outside of china. more than 2,000 people are dead.

more than 79 people are been infected. the dow closing down about 1,000 points in response as the virus's spread of the weekend stoked fears of a pro-longed global economic slowdown. and a verdict as we mentioned in the harvey weinstein trial. one of the cases viewed as ushering in the #me too movement, not just in hollywood but the media. harvey weinstein was found guilty of rape and one other felony sex crime. he remains in custody while he awaits sentencing. reaction from some of the women started pouring in this afternoon. actress ashley judd tweeted this. quote, for the women who testified in this case and walked through traumatic hell, you did a public service to girls and women everywhere thank you. "and an actress who the "the new york times" describes as an early accuser quote "harvey weinstein is now a convicted rapist.

two survivors cry and celebrate. thank you god." and this from rose ana arquette who alleged he assaulted her. quote, gratitude to the brave women who've testified and at the jury for seeing through the dirty tactics of the defense. cameras were not allowed in the courtroom but the "the new york times" writing this. quote, mr. weinstein sat motionless and displayed little emotion as the verdict was read but i'm innocent, he repeated three times to his lawyers. minutes later he appeared stunned as he was handcuffd and let out of court, limping between two court officers on his way to jail to await sentencing. he faces a possible sentence of between 5 and 29 years. "the new york times" adds this, quote, for many the trial is a watershed moment for the #me too movement and a crucial test in the effort to hold influential men accountable for sexual harassment in the workplace.

manhattan district attorney offered powerful words of support to the women at the center of the case. >> i owe and we all owe an immense debt to you, who had the courage beyond measure to speak your story to the world to this courtroom at great personal risk and in great personal peril. to those of us who were privileged to be in the courtroom when they testified, you know what i mean. these survivors weren't just brave, they were heroic. >> the harvey weinstein conviction is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. with us ari and host of "the beat" on msnbc and my colleague, and democratic strategist, and former top state department official, my frequent side kick here.

and we'll start with the pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter. you have, megan, t -- become particulate of the this story for the decades long pattern of abuse and predatory behavior from your reporting. what's this day like for you? >> it's incredible. my reporting colleague have been reporting on weinstein almost three years. and if you had told us we would see this day when he was convicted and now facing up to 25 years in prison, i'm not sure we would have believed it and i'm certain our sources wouldn't have believed it. so many have been so scared to speak out and felt he was way too powerful to ever face accountability and now we're seeing accountability has stretched from the court of public opinion to the court of criminal law.

>> and for all of your sources, who were probably very afraid to make that first contact with you or tell your story -- and i've learned through your book and reporting, ashamed 06 what they endured and didn't tell anyone about. >> i was talking to one of his alleged victim whose said it took her about ten minutes to really process what this verdict meant. she spent her first wave of emotions were shock. she says she was shaking for about ten minutes and then a dam broke and she just started balling. i think you can't really over estimate what the emotional toll has been on so many of these women for so many years and to see this happen -- i think it's going to take days f not years to process what it means.

>> i only got a little window and i looked up some of the women whose names only became familiar through your reporting. some of the most powerful women in hollywood, gwyneth paltrow, ashley judd, they seemed to feel powerless until the story started to be told. do you think the story change anything? >> well, there was certainly powerful symbolism. first decades harvey weinstein had been able to conseal allegations of abuse and rape against him. he'd have secret settlements to silence many of them and during the course of the trial we saw a complete reversal. at the instruction of his lawyers, he wasn't allowed to testify. he just had to sit there and watch as woman after woman got up and testified in great detail about what they said they did to

him. for so long, many talked about feeling great humiliation by what weinstein had done to them. and it was weinstein who looked like he was suffering severe humiliation. and now he's actually going to be facing much more than that. he's going to face as much as 25 years in prison and he also faces prosecution in los angeles. so, i think the accountability will continue in the coming months. >> his defense hinged on t seemed, on putting the movement itself on trial. that included your reporting and jody's reporting and all the other journalsh whose broke these stories. do you feel any personal redemption in the fact that didn't prevail? >> you're right. it was harvey weinstein more than anybody else who tried to

suggest this criminal case -- it was pretty narrow. it was really him and his attorneys who tried to say it was something much larger, and proof that the #me too movement had gone too far and in the end the jurors delivered a verdict that suggest sested the opposite. that you could push forward with sex crimes prosecutions once seen as way too risky to take on and actually win a conviction from that. >> you know, it's such an emotional story because we were rely on legal analysts to explain what happened in a court room. but i think a majority of women looked at this movement to help explain what happened at different points where they ran up against power and in the kientsds of examples that made it to this trial around sexual misconduct. but what is the legal piece of this story?

>> the legal piece is that he was convicted on two of the five counts that he was not convicted on the most serious, which carried up to life. one way to think about this is if you were only charged with these two counts, they're very serious convictions. he just happened to also face life offenses. harvey weinstein's convicted today. he's already in jail awaiting sentencing. and if nothing legally changes, he will go to prison for years. as megan was saying, that's an incredible shift for such a curages and powerful person. one other legal note i will add is the prosecutor mentioned these cases had, as he put it, quote, complicated fact patterns. it was not the simplest and what prosecutors prefer, the quote unquote easiest case to prove. but just because it's hard to prove, doesn't mean it shouldn't be proven and shouldn't be brought.

these were cases that emanated in the reporting from megan, jody and others. it began with public reporting, not people going to the d.a. many women don't feel they're heard or there will be an investigation when they go alone one person in. and second o on the fact pattern, he basically said look, the effort to discredit these women -- because some of these situations were complicated, i'm quoting the prosecutor, but harvey weinstein committed legally first degree sexual assault anded the rape. >> i feel like you're stipulating that because there's a larger point. do the courts in california look at that and do they say here's a model for -- -- >> i think it can be. we can't say what other d.a.'s will do. that's just a reference to

whether or not and by the way, they didn't believe everything they heard. the jury did what they're supposed to do, which is individualized fact finding on each account. and they found some things more fully proven beyond a reasonable doubt than others. >> i think it's impossible to separate from the legal story and what they put in motion was a nuclear detonation. and bringing ruin to harvey weinstein's decade's long cover up. of his abuse. his retribution of any accusers. and it seemed to have tentacles for a while into the political world.

roy moore was covered differently. he was the republican accused p pedophile. except by one politician, donald trump. why do you think that is? >> if -- depends on his base, right? and when you have women who, i'm aware of through my own reporting, who were victims, claim to be victims of assault and are still supporters, that's a question not for politicians and political journalists, but for psychologists. in megan says in her reporting he was a symbol. i would say he's a caricature. the charges, there's different greidations of harassment that take place in the workplace but this was actual rape of these women. and correct me if i'm wrong,

there were 90 different accusers, something in the order of that at the end of the day and zero forensic evidence and that is because, you know, however credible one accusation was over the other, they found some to be extremely dreadable or he wouldn't be headed to jail and yet there's no evidence because these women were too ashamed and too terrified to come forward because, unlike a stranger rape, in this case he had everything in his hands. he had their futures, their careers, their bodies in his total control. and that is why this is such an emotional moment for many of those women. the question is, going forward, really if he is a symbol, how does this change that for women in a similar situation? and are we going to see a reckoning when it comes to women

going immediately to report these incidents? again, this is a caricature. how many cases are there like this? this is extreme because this is an extremely powerful man. >> can i get you to weigh in on some of this. you've done a lot nof reporting on some of the other women who have accused donald trump of sexual misconduct. and not to extrapolate today's verdict on to any of those cases but in terms of the climate. i know you go and hunt it down and dig for and look for it and have to make these people comfortable telling their stories. but what is the impact of today's verdict of harvey weinstein in covering accusers in other walks of life, either politics or other areas? >> as somebody who has reported on people who have been accused of sexual misconduct in the

political and nonpolitical realm, i can tell you when these accusations are made in the political realm, especially in this moment in time when the country is so polarized, we have quickly found that it desends into holy war. with both sides kind of using the women as ammunition against each other. i wouldn't say thattium i going to walk away from covering this weinstein trial and expect that we're going to see that much more accountability, certainly, in the criminal justice level. but i do think that every stage of the way you are seeing more and more measures of public opinion and sentiment and i think because this jury delivered conviction in a case that really was pushing the boundaries of sex crimes prosecutions t w

prosecutions, it was going inthese -- the two women at the center of this criminal case acknowledged they had consensual sex after they were victimized by him. they had ongoing friendly conduct, friendly communications with him. traditionally prosecutors do not bring those type of cases. they've been seen as wayilar to the messy to win in court. i think this starts to push the envelope on what year going to see in terms of accountability within the criminal justice system and more broadly, i think, we're starting to see that the public has -- is more eager to deliver accountability and hold powerful figures accountable for what they do. >> an incredible day to get to talk to you. year so grateful for your body of reporting and your colleague. thank you for carving out time to spend with us. i imagine it's a busy day. when we come back, we turn to the big political headlines of the day, including bernie

sanders big, huge, win in the nevada caucuses saturday and the democratic party's total panic about sanders' electability in november. and a big endorsement expected for joe biden from one of the most prominent south carolina politicians ahead of the must-win contest. and donald trump's purge of public servants from the federal government is more strategic and widespread than it appears inside the white house paranoia machine. all those stories coming up. hey there! kelly clarkson! what're you doing on our sofa? what're you doing on your sofa? try wayfair. you got this! woah. yeah! let me try! all alright, get it! blow it up! that's what i'm talking about. except that's my seat, so. all right, so maybe after the movie let's talk about that bedroom of yours!

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iowa. we won the new hampshire primary. and according to three networks in the ap, we have now won the nevada caucus. what we showed is that our volunteers are prepared to knock on hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. that no campaign has a grass roots movement like we do. which is another reason why we're going to been this election. >> bernie sanders is now the indisputable frontrunner for the democratic nomination for president. that's after a land slide victory thanks in large part to

a more diverse than expected coalition that delivered the victory, including hispanic and african-american voters. sanders more than doubling the support of the closest comtitian, joe biden, earning almost 47% of the vote, compared to 20% for the former vice president. the spotlight is now intensifying, of course. the kritd sl south korea primary just five days away. for democrats concerned about sande sande sand its its -- concerned voices insisting sanders has too many weaknesses and he is not the one to defeat donald trump in november. the "washington post" of this reports, quote, democrats are entering a season of open warfare of whether sanders is equipped to beat trump. the senator and his allies insist he could but say he's too

polarizing to win in november and could severely cost democrats if republicans use sanders' self description to paint all democrats as extreme. now, that concern in particular seemed to manifest itself in the aftermact and response to a "60 minutes" interview in which sanders defends castro. >> year very opposed to the authoritarian nature of cuba. but it's unfair to simply say everything is bad. when fidel castro came into office, you know what he did? he had a massive literacy program >> there's a lot of dissidents. >> and unlike donald trump, let's be clear, i do not think kim jong-un is a good friend. i don't trade love letters with a murdering dictator. vladimir putin, not great friend of mine. >> former republican strategist,

msnbc strategist. >> i think there's reason to be concerned. there's never been a viable socialist candidate for the highest office in the land. 63% of americans approve of a red hot economy. is there a market in a general electorate for socialist revolution of the type that he's talking about? i think when you look at some of the issues he's putting forwr, i don't think there ska massive public opinion that is for decriminalizing illegal immigration and providing the same people legally health care and free college education. not to mention taking away of health insurance. when you're starting to see the video of bernie sanders coming out, heaping praise on the soviet system, heaping praise on

the all of the insurgeoncies of the 1980s through central and south america, these positions will be charactered by trump and what they're saying is a bernie sanders nomination puts the house at risk. that when you're looking at the constilation of candidates that gave democrats their majority t was from moderate districts and part of a coalition where you saw democrats, independents and republicans. what i think a lot of people are seeing is a rise now of a second cultive personality in the country. if there's one thing worse is one cultish personality, i would argue maybe two. >> look, i'm not one to say someone is completely unelectable. everyone has a path. however difficult or improbable it might be.

and the truth is a couple of years ago, i would never believe donald trump would be president of the united states but he is. for all of his misdeeds, for all of the unsaverry things he'sicides or done, he is. i don't think that's the same thing as what bernie sanders is doing. what he's saying is talking about issues that have come up in the country over and over again. there was a time nobody thought the affordable care act would work but it's been proven to be a resilient piece of information. i'm not saying that i've endorsed bernie. i've had issues with some of his supporters but i'm not so afraid of what he's saying because i know there's an appetite frasome of it. >> i also think there's something to examine and make sure we understand. i mean, we have as media and i

feel you're someone i would call off tv for advice. electability, as an issue for the voter, is worth coming. electability, as we see it, seems irrelevant. >> i don't know if that's true. bernie's rise has been humbling for people in the media class. i feel like i'm going back to school to try understand what his appeal is. his appeal is broad. it's not a cultive personality the way trump is a cultive personality on a guy who is a criminal don who has no ideology at all. the cult of bernie is about his ideas and the fact he's consistently had them, rightly or wrongly over the years. his likability is as high as biden's. in nevada he won every single demographic group, except people

over 65. he won 51% of the latino vote. there's something going on here. i never want to question the judgments of the american voter. >> they like his policies. they like his great talk and he speaks to the forgotten man in a way donald trump tried to and i think there's a faith he will deliver. and women. >> because he says i have policies for you. trump spoke to them by just weapon sizing their grievance. that's what he did and that's different. the other piece is they're vetted and i think you're iluting to the issues in the campaign. their rur aggressive in a way -- we were viewed as aggressive press folks. but this is a new level. they're online warriors on

behalf of their president. what is the vetting of bernie sanders like as a journalist. >> it's completely possible to understand exactly where many of his people are coming from and the appeal and the fact that it does come from a place of deep anger and grievance or what has happened in the last 30 or 40 years and with health care, the lack of raise for the middle class, all of these things. but then to say this guy's barrelling towards the nomination and he should be vetted, like every other -- and we had a heart attack in the last four months. who has a relationship and not a great one, with some in the gun safety community. i know journalists are just starting to write those stories. that is particulately because like everyone else we were focussed on this huge diverse field and where do you pick and now he's coming out from benight elizabeth warren and surging to

this place where this is the moment for a speed vet. i have new reporting. and i spoke with the head of the american college of cardiology, the gold stand frrd cardiology. i also spoke with one of the trustees in the same organization and what they told me was bernie sanders is saying that he's being fully transparent about his heart health, there's a very important number which he is not disclosing to the american public. i'm going to read this off because i am not a doctor. left ven trickialer ejection fraction. let's say you had colon cancer. you would want to see the results of the colonoscopy. this number is important according to cardiologist to gauging how much damage was done to bernie sanders's heart and how much he has progressed since then. it has highly correlated with mortality and future events.

i went to the bernie sanders campaign and asked them to give this number. they are not giving this number and the cardiologist i talked to say look, this is important if you're talking about full disclosure. this is a standard thing that you would give out a very standard benchmark which would toll the american people something. the notes he's given since then have suggested he's made a lot of progress and they said that's true. i said so why wouldn't you give this number to confirm what that progress has been? and they said don't know. this is a way we communicate with each other. it's a baseline standard that is given to every patient. they say here is your ejection fraction and this is what we're going to do to treat you. that is something that he's not disclosing and it underscores that there is not full transparency here. >> sfeev, we've talked about this on tv before. we've rented conference rooms, poured open books and records

for medical reporters. this seems like an obliteration of norms on the left. >> that's all over. we go back to the trump campaign. honest to ghaud doctor they rolled out reminded me of the guy from the canon ball run with burt reynoldsual the -- i mean, and in that instance when he came out and said trump was in the greatest shape all of humanity and the most fit president. in that instance, this was all over. so, year never going to see that number from the bernie sanders campaign. and before very long, we won't see tax returns from any of the candidates either. once the norm is broken, wungs it's shattered, it's gone. it's eviscerated. so, what republicans should think about and there's a great piece on this by jennifer reuben is imagining what does a bernie sanders presidency look like when you apply all of the shattering of norms that trump

has paved the way for somebody on the other side to impose on the red part of the country? and it's an unpleasant picture, i imagine. but look, year not going back to anything that was before. whatever is ahead is a strange new world. and we look at democratic frontrunner in his crowd chanting lock them all up. we have two political parties filled with activists talking about locking up their political opponents, locking up their political enemies. we have a president eviscerating the rule of law. we are moving into a season here in america that, that, that has never been experienced before. >> except some trump folks have actually gone to jail. i'm just saying. >> my point here is -- and i spoke out against this in the summer of 2016. you started hearing on a

republican convention, "lock her up." i said this is the united states of america. this isn't a banana republic. but now we have the core activists, the people who should be the most informed about our civics and civic life in both parties chanting lock uppertheir political opponents? this is scary. this doesn't happen in a healthy democracy and we're entering in the season of illiberalism. >> i don't disagree but one of the themes for the last three years has been the violation of norms and what do you do about it. some of the norms like not releasing tax returns and medical care, that's a violation for both sides. two parties can come together and say in the future we cannot have presidential candidates who don't release tax returns, wloo don't satisfy this medical record and all of the other stuff. that's a potential silver lining we could have. >> afterwards, south carolina,

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do you think bernie sanders is capable of beating donald trump? >> i would vote for mickey mouse against donald trump. the answer is i don't think he

can beat donald trump and keep a democratic senate. and keep a democratic house. i'll ask a rhetorical question you can't answer. you're running for senate in north carolina, does bernie sanders help you win? you're running for senate in texas, does it help you win? i mean, come on. >> that was former vice president joe biden making his case. saturday is south carolina's primary is one biden has staked everything on. and he remains confident believing the large african-american population will lead him to victory there. they made up 61% of voting electorate. although biden's strong support among the african-americans has slipped a brand new endorsement could give him a boost. south carolina's top democrat, respected from coast to coast is

expected to officially endorse joe biden on wednesday. the tables back. i asked joe biden. i said let's give this to you. so, you win south carolina, then what? i think even if he wins at this point, sanders is coming on so hot, it's still a challenge. >> the sanders' train is a rolling. we go to stuper tuesday. we have texas and california going to vote. to the two most delegate-rich states in the process which sanders could very well -- might actually win particularly because of the large percentage of latino voters in the state. went to texas right after nevada. it becomes really difficult to beat him. even if joe biden wins t makes it very -- it still makes it difficult for him to overcome if

he has those two states and potentially others under his belt and then i think we're at a place where the party's going to have to make a decision if you're antisanders, then who do you get behind at that point? >> and this is a decision republicans could never make. trump had been ahead in the polls since the sumberfore voting started and the -- the republicans that weren't for trump were divided among rubio and cruz and christie and jeb. do you see the democrats repeating our tragic history? >> one feature of the debate is nobody talk said about trump or trumpism at all. he was president of some other country. so, democrats are there talking about locking up energy executives, going after mike bloomberg. no one laid a glove on bernie sanders. so, you just saw the vice president get asked a question about whether bernie sanders could win an election against trump.

we know from his answer it is ekwivication in the prauz in the beginning. he doesn't think bernie sanders can win an election goens donald trump. but he's going to have to forcefully make that argument. they have to make it on the debate stage and before super tuesday or what will happen is what happened in the republican primary. everybody went after somebody else but not the 400-pound guerilla in the room. remember the murder suicide of chris christie and marco rubio before the new hampshire primary and it's the same thing playing out in the democratic race. >> i remember talking to christie. i said you got rubio. i think he was out a few days later. and it is an interesting calculation and maybe speaks to your point the democratic voters are happy with their choices and they're picking sanders. the math suggests the nonsanders

vote still far exceeds the sanders vote. >> the great irony is both of the candidates, biden and bloomberg got in the race because they viewed themselves as white horses. year going to rescue the party because they didn't have a great electable candidate and now, as we go into -- we're storming towards super tuesday, these two could cancel each other out and make the path much easier for bernie sanders to consolidate on super tuesday because does anyone at the table see any one of these candidates tropping out before south carolina? and let's say biden does well because somebody dropped out, how is at the going to change the facts that bernie is really strong and you've got three days been tween that vote and super tuesday? >> and you'd have have to have all of them drop out and leave one candidate to actually -- >> plus elizabeth warren. >> and the other thing is there is no real party establishment anymore.

it's not like there's a smoke-filled back room. i mean, all of these guys have -- >> i'm not saying i'm in it. but people do talk. i'm not saying it will be in a smoke-filled back room. >> can't smoke anything. >> president obama can get on the phone and call one of them up and say for the good of the country and the party, you have to drop out. but there's no evidence that's happening. >> what i'm saying is that's what has to happen. somebody whether obama or somebody else in various states, not necessarily one player,s to the come together and say you don't have a path here. when amy klobuchar was talking saturday, i thought that was going to be her speech saying i'm done. >> i did too. she did i'm here at home and thanked her neighbors. so interesting. we have to sneak in another

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and the nature of the west wing to bend to it. quote, since trump's senate acquittal, aids say the president has crossed a psychological line regarding what he calls the deep state. he feels his government from justes to state to dfrs to homeland security is fill would snakes. he wants them fire andds replaced asap. joining our conversation one -- the report whoor broke that story, jonathan swan. take me through this. this was unbelievable. do story telling for us. >> so, we all knew that in the last few weeks president trump has wanted to purge his government of people disloyal to him. what we reported in our story was the extent to which the president has been collecting paper over the last year 1/2, memos and lists of individuals who are considered disloyal, quote unquote, never trump, within his own government and the network of conservative

activists very well connected close to the white house who have been shaping the president's views on who he can and cannot trust. one of the key figures in this group supreme court justice clarence thomas and she reasons a group called ground swell which meets every wednesday in the offices of tom fenton, a figure seeing often on fox news close to the president. so it's a network around the president and it's not just who he can't trust. we saw, you know, in our story we reported on an extensive memo that was done recently that helped shape the president's thinking on jesse lui, a senior treasury official he withdrew and who to replace them and we obtained -- we got information about a memo that jenny thomas herself handed to the president last year which included recommendations such as dan bonnjono you see on box news

regularly for a senior homeland security role and various changes they're pushing throughout the government. >> jonathan, what struck me is you talk to people sometimes saying he just does this venting on twitter but when you find out the hit list on paper you doan know about is more ominous than the attacks he unleashes publicly, it sort of turns on its head the spin they have been pushing for years. >> well, it is also interesting to see the reasoning behind some of these decisions. jesse lui is a really good example. earlier this month the president surprised jessie lui, he withdrew her and she used to be the u.s. attorney for warnlds. she oversaw the prosecution of roger stone and what's really interesting is the memo given to the president to review and had a -- quite striking affect on him. it is this incredible catalog of

what is considered to be her misdeeds and it includes things such as the fact that she did not indict andrew mccabe, the former director and helps you understand how he's thinking. >> unbelievable. has lots of crumpled papers of enemy's list. jonathan swan, thank you for spending sometime with us. >> thank you for having me. >> our table jumps in when we come back. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams, spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair.com i appreciate what makes each person unique.

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