future, here's the numbers, then, yeah, i think i probably would vote with that, but there's no magic pill. >> the wrongness for the people who told you that was joe biden is on display. >> thank you for joining us. don't forget, the end of in week i'm going to be in charleston, south carolina, ahead of what could be a make or break moment. now i can announce another stop on our "all in" primary state tour. this time we're headed to l.a. kings los angeles. tickets are flee and available now. head to msnbc.com/allin2020. the "rachel maddow show" is up. >> we missed you terribly. did you have a good time? >> i did, in a warm place and then i got sick but now i'm not here. >> well, good. i mean, in the end. >> all of it was great. >> welcome back. thanks, my friend.

thank you at home for joining us this hour. this is going to be a big week in politics and in the news more broadly. we, of course, had the nevada caucuses. senator bernie sanders of vermont emerging as the big winner in that contest. south carolina will be this weekend, this saturday. even though we just had a democratic candidate's debate last week, boy, was that a doozy. we'll have another one tomorrow ahead of south carolina. there were six candidates on the stage including mike bloomberg. tomorrow night's debate there will be an extra guy. there will be seven candidates because even though tom steyer did not qualify to be on the debate last week, he has qualified to be on the debate stage in south carolina this week. and, sure, why not? nobody ever said this had to be

an orderly process or even a remotely logical one, it's just how we're doing it. let me just point out something about tom steyer and what it means he's on the debate stage. it's a little topsy-turvy. mike bloomberg was on the stage but he was not on the nevada ballot. tom steyer was not on the debate stage but he was on the ballot. he did okay. he did come in fifth place in nevada. tom steyer came in below elizabeth warren and above amy klobuchar. that might seem like a surprising result given that he didn't qualify for that debate and given that senator klobuchar's campaign has been getting more attention. we might have the secret to understanding the perhaps surprising fifth place finish in

nevada despite this was the spending of all of the campaigns leading up to the caucuses this weekend. klobuchar, less than 1 million. biden, 4. bernie sanders, 1.8 million. tom steyer spent eight times what his nearest opponent spent in nevada. spent $14.4 million. not only is that eight times what senator sanders spent, it's more than double what all of the candidates spent combined and that $14.4 million of ad spending in nevada earned tom steyer zero delegates but it did get him fifth place heading into

south carolina. again, in south carolina mike bloomberg will not be on the ballot. tom steyer will. they'll both be in the debate tomorrow night. the self-funding billionaire spending will look like nevada when he goes on to south carolina. who knows what that will mean for his total end of the day results, but this remains one of the truly weird, unprecedented, hard to model and sometimes absurd features of the democratic process. how outsized it is compared to what everybody else is doing. renders the financial competition among the other candidates, but tonight we're going to throw another twist into that particular crazy straw. just look at the spending levels in the normal non-billionaire

campaigns. i showed you the spending for nevada. if you keep tom steyer out, it's for all of the other campaigns. we saw similar numbers in new hampshire. not considering the billionaires, just looking for it. in iowa, there was a lot more candidates in the race in iowa. the nonbillionaire candidates, these are the numbers they were spending in that first race. you see sanders and buttigieg up there around $10 million. this is the kind of range. buttigieg spending $1.2 million in nevada. in new hampshire you're looking at it. this is the scale they have been spending. this is the pace at which they have been dumping money into

this race in the first three contests thus far. $300 million here, 3 million here. my most expensive spending, $10 million. tonight we are going to report that somebody is about to get into this context who is not a billionaire, but they are about to spend 150 enveloped campaign ads on the democratic side. 150 mm office. you have the ads, they're going to be running. coming up, you are going to want to see that. we have that exclusively here tonight. meanwhile, today was one of those days when the financial news, the stock market news was big enough news that it jumped off the business pages and became front page news. markets both in the united

states and around the world fell 1,000 points. laurie garrett wrote about the fact that the united states government is almost uniquely ill suited to take a leading role for something like a global infectious disease crisis right there. without the pandemic response chain of command back in 2018 and never replaced them with anyone. i think the reason this went largely unremarked upon at the time is because the president has fired and never rehired. the turnover rate is high. peter baker noticing that the

president in his first term is on his third chief of staff, fourth defense secretary, fifth deputy and seventh communications director. without even making it a full term in office. as the coronavirus systematizes, one of the positions is the position that's supposed to take point. there used to be someone in that job. the president em tird that job. >> don't worry though. the president has appointed a coronavirus task force. ellie went online to ask if any

of his twitter fellows could get behind. he was just googling around. turns out some of these sites you need to pay to get in. anybody who follow me on twitter know how to get to the maps of where the coronavirus is? he is on the government's task force. he is one of the senior people running that. direct appointment from president trump. meanwhile, the crisis in the justice department continues including some fascinating new "new york times" reporting. flushes out what's been going on and one federal prosecutor's office and i'm not sure if that's the word. it's certainly been at least partially taken over and this is rarting that lines up with some previous reporting in the fall.

honestly, it gives us a new window into how bad it really is. it's particularly helpful right now because the roger stone case, occasionally some of them haven't wanted to. the roger stone case is still battling around. we had a ruling from the judge who sentenced roger stone. she issued a short six page report. she should recuse herself from any further action in stoon's -- stone's report. they deal with the allegations in the ruling. it seems to me to be a remarkably strained and even handed manner.

even so, at the end of the ruling the thing necessarily ends on a fairly blunt note. the judge con clusds her ruling with this. quote, if parties could move to remove every judge who furls their brow, the entire system would come in. this appears to be nothing more than the statement for public con sublgs that has the words judge and biased in it. for these reasons defendant's motion is here by denied. so ordered. that was the ruling from the judge in roger stone's case as of yesterday saying, you know what, i'm not going to disqualify to myself. that's not enough of a senior

meal. tomorrow that judge intends to hold a closed door hearing on stone's motion to get a new trial. he's already been convicted on seven counts. he's been sentenced now to roughly 3 1/2 years in prison but he's still, nevertheless, expecting to have his jury must have been biased against him. therefore, he should get a second trial. >> after ruling yesterday, no, she's not going to recuse herself. today this judge will hear a motion for a new trial in closed door session. the reason this case has evinced this crisis at the justice department is because of president trump and by extension his party waiting into it and basically trying to mess around with the resolution of this case rather than let it be decided

independently sam independently. now the president is joining this effort by roger stone to attack the jury in this case. and the president has specifically been going after individual members of the jury as a way to press for roger stone's original trial. now i'm usually -- i think we're lucky to have this, but just after roger stone's evicted in november. juror number three wrote an essay in the microsoft crowd. it's about having been on that jury and the juror -- how proud

he was, how we have to protect it from harassment, intimmy gags. >> oh, during the first half of november, 14 all-americans. we sat through five days of testimony and affidavits. after eight hours of deliberations we returned guilty verdicts. like jurors everywhere, none of us asked for this responsibility, but each of us accepted it willingly. interest in this case was high and the court took special steps for us to be harassed. it's made its way to the parking lot. on arrival he moved through the

building via a free elevator and back corridors. >> i believe they have a list of witnesses and carefully exam every charge. after the trial is over, judge amy berman jackson came to the jury room to thank us for our service. we talked as a group for several minutes. one of the group assesses the falling. >> i love it. at the end of our jury service, they drove us back to our hotel. the jury went to work. i'm proud of it and the respect we afforded.

i'm proud that the defendant is innocent until proven guilty. i'm proud of my brothers for reflecting them. i'm a thankful that our legal system affords a fair and open process by which one's peers critically examine it. now after that conviction, after roger stone's sentencing, the president of the united states is the person who is leading the charge to denigrate that process, including by name, to make them into villains. to carry down any of it.

to intimidate any juror in any future case to make you think twice about how you might want to rule in a case like that given those other jurors who got attack attacked. jury tampering on a mass national scare personally carried out by the president of the united states. they go through all of this trouble to protect that jury. vans with tinted window. we need to make sure you are not aren't the harassment and determination. give roger stone a new trial. those jurors letting me know they're back.

i know there's a lot going on, but that is a remarkable continue. it has remarkable consequences of cases going forward indefinitely after the president has done this. and inside the justice department the president's pressure on the process has been more droekt. katie and at a.m. recording with the view from in there. a trump employee has been ousted because of that and in art because she failed to deliver a criminal prosecution of former fbi director andrew mccabe. they recorded that the replacement u.s. attorney, that william barr replaced, suggested

that he was in that office, tim shay was brought over to become the new u.s. attorney in d.c. he arrived on february 3rd and on february 3rd, he told them they needed to drop it. >> if the lawyers in the stone prosecution thing, that is a last-minute order. >> let's stand up. let to government giving a leniency memory for the president's friend. it also led to the exexamination, maybe a fight. at least a terse and sharp verbal exchange involving one of the prosecutors in the hallway of "the new york times" office. the time also concludes, if you

fair. they brought in a team of bars choosing to take over all of these different politically finish that. they fired the lead prosecutor in that ofs. they fired the u.s. attorney. they put william bar's guy in her office and they installed this team to take over but the film matter. who else knows what else. >> with everything and with democrats choosing their nominee, with the world health crisis that our government apparently has just today started googling about. with the president firing the -- they're trying to get it re-elected in 2020 and the director of national intelligence, his office has

been breefk members of congress on that. they had to be fired for that sin. it is a remarkable thing to go on. >> what is argue bring the most importa important. it's been taken over. they had their chief fired. and in that u.s. attorney's office an expert team has been brought in to make sure all of the politically handled places. think about it. flr like 600 lawyers in that prosecutor's office who are working there white i s.a. >> now they're all working there under these very changed circumstances. that is a really strange and

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quote, in the days before they filed the sentencing recommendation for president trump's friend roger stone, the prosecutors in the space felt under siege. timothy shea had just arrived and told them he wanted a more lenient recommendation for stone. he was helping his long-time boss sovereign the sentencing request for the president. david metcalf clasped his hands on the shoulder of one of the prosecutors but the gesture prompted a terse and sharp verbal exchange. as word of the spat spread throughout the office, unfounded rumors spread that the altercation had been physical. the president declared on

twitter that he was treating his friend and he quit the stone case. joining me is katie betterher. i appreciate you making time to be here. >> absolutely. >> to be clear, something happened in the hallway that other people thought might have been be a fist fight but it wasn't? >> yeah. i think that sort of goes to show how continues things were. generally they're not worried about altercations. >> yeah. i am completely interested in what's going on in the office. in your time covering the justice department, how unusual would you say this situation is that you reported on now.

>> i think it's how to over state it. it covers both the if he is ral cases in the district and you have some big envelope cases. it also seems the location in the same. so to have a situation where not only did the president make remarks about the quality of the work there and asking for specific outcomes and then to have a situation where the attorney general asks and takes action just after those public promises are made, not just in that office but all over the country as they wonder what is

the signal can be there. the attorney general seeming to act if not at the direction of the president at least in a way that is congruent with the president's expressed wishes, but there is also this remarkable recording that in an ongoing way and they have been brought in at the attorney general's request. i have it on on a number of shaves. do you have any idea how many they might have their fingers in. >> just a little steak. we saw very politically suffer.

the justice didn't struggled with what to do with those cases, what to do with those calls for action. they felt they needed to get it ahead. on the hill, hey, we're going to ignore this altogether. frekts, by farming out that research and farming. we see the same thing happening with judy giuliani. we have to deal with the fact that his own lawyer could be wrong. we cannot out of hands object that. we'll have a shop in 33 do it. we can talk more reporting there. >> you don't have to have the

ie entire time with the president on the hill. it takes us to the u.s. attorney's office. very important cases to the president. he has said he would like it and he said that stone did nothing wrong, flynn did nothing wrong and the outcomes need to be changed. you have a situation where it is -- we don't know why. there are different ways to look at it. you could say barr has decided to bring in, for example, an outside prosecutor from the u.s. attorney's office in st. louis to oversee flynn and to sort of relook at the flynn case and see if mistakes were made. on the one hand it could feel very different and like they are being polite sized in a way that makes them very upset. in another way you could say or is the department basically going through the must that they

won't do anything. >> it feels like that -- i'm not even a lawyer. i'm a prosecutor. trying to imagine myself working in one of those cases. now having this outside team taking up permanent residences. >> thank you so much for being here, i appreciate it. >> thanks. >> she covers "the new york times." up next, an exclusive look about -- exclusive look at who is about to spend 1 $50 million on the democratic side of the democratic race. that's going to stay out. ustomis your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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today on the monday between nevada and south carolina, a new memo on the state of the democratic presidential primary race, amy klobuchar hypes a new $4.2 million klobuchar ad buy in the states. they have spent only $10 million total to date. that's not an insignificant sum. they have only spent $10 million so far.

4.2. big buy. priorities u.s.a. is the largest democratic super pac founded in 2011 by former obama advisers to help him in his re-election race against mitt romney. priorities u.s.a. is neutral in the democratic primary. this year they say their pre-convention budget for ads in this race is $150 million. what? pre-convention, before there's a nominee, they're planning on spending $150 million. super pac will roll out two new tv ads. the first of the 2020 cycle starting tomorrow before battleground states, florida, michigan, pennsylvania, wiscons wisconsin. the price, $30 million. we've been given an exclusive look. both targeting president trump. i'm going to show you them. here's the first of the ads featuring the topic most on the minds of the democratic voters.

topic is -- >> in 2017 i was diagnosed with breast cancer. it feels like a tidal wave. you have no idea what your future is going to be. now donald trump wants to eliminate protections for pre-existing conditions like mine. it would make it impossible for people like me to find affordable health care. i will always be a breast cancer survivor. if donald trump had his way, i would have no health care. >> that's the first ad. this is the super pac, democratic super pac that is planning to spend $150 million running ads before the convention, before the democratic party has a nominee. the second ad isn't on health care or a specific issue like that, it focuses more on the

president himself. >> i have the right to do whatever i want as president. >> the government shutdown now officially the longest in american history. >> president trump threatening health care. >> threatens $845 billion to medicare. >> president trump apparently has a lot on his mind, at least according to his twitter account. >> concerns that the new missiles could reach the united states. >> isis is seizing this chaotic moment. >> i have the right to do whatever i want. >> those will run in four battleground states starting tomorrow. joining us know is the chairman of priorities u.s.a., guy cecil. i appreciate you being here. >> thanks for having me. >> so i wanted to talk to you

about this tonight because i feel like the sheer scale of what you're able to do at your very well-funded super pac makes you a very interesting player in this race. we've got two billionaires in the race among the candidates who are spending hand over fist. even your spending will be dw f dwarfed by what mayor bloomberg plans to spend. how do you see your work fitting into the overall democratic project of beating president trump? >> there were two major factors that said we had to go home and take care of them, they used it to define the contours of the race, to attack their likely opponents and to do damage. we saw this dating back to bill clinton and bob dole. we saw it certainly with president obama and mitt romney

and it's certainly what president trump is doing today. he's already advertising on television and online in battleground states around the country. the second piece is that -- really about the message. i think your opening is important. what it demonstrates is that just because you have the most money or a lot of money, it doesn't mean people are buying the message. there's so much focus on the economy and we've seen donald trump's approval rating increase. underneath that, the support for trump's economy is a mile high. 40% of americans say they couldn't find $400 for an unexpected expense. in our latest poll, 63% of registered voters said that they didn't believe donald trump's economic policies were helping them at all. we think it's important to let you understand it's getting

traction, his impulsiveness, ego aren't just about twitter. they are doing harm to working class people and families around the country. that needs to start now because krump's company has the general election. >> why are you focusing on michigan, florida, those scream out as likely swing states. how did you pick those four? >> those are the four closest dates. they were the closest by our own data and models. we could expand those buys into our states. we intend to be involved in a handful of senate races around the country. we thought it was important right now to begin making the case in the four closest presidential states this year. >> guy, i'd like to hold you if i could. i know in addition to spending a lot of money on tv ads, you've made electoral college

projections. i'd like to talk to you about that if you wouldn't mind sticking with us. >> sounds great. >> we'll be right back with guy cecil right after this. stay with us. (announcer) winning awards is great. but doing all the work that takes you there? that's the hard part. at verizon, being reliable means working to always be reliable. it's why we earned more awards again this year. just like last year, and the year before, and years before that. all these awards are real proof that we built a network that really works for you. the network more people rely on. now experience america's most-awarded network

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data that suggests that. the electability, i understand that. how about everybody votes for who they think wins. >> cecil is chairman of the largest super pac as featured on the circus. those slides you saw him mention, they show the four states that his pac considers to be pure tossups this fall. you see them in the middle there. we discussed, michigan, florida, pennsylvania, wisconsin. priorities u.s.a. currently projects that if the election were held today, the democratic nominee would win wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania but lose florida. that's not enough for the democrat to win the white house. that said, it all depends on whether the pac's turnout mile is accurate and boy is that hard to predict. guy cecil is joining us. a significant player in this election. thanks again. tell me about the turnout models and your level of confidence in

them. i'm no data scientist but i have noticed and "the new york times" is front paging tonight the news that in the firsthand full of nominating contests that we've had, we haven't seen a dramatic increase in turnout. it was a little bit of a tick up in new hampshire but it's not turning out to be a wow turnout election, at least thus far in the democratic primaries. >> i think it's important to keep these projections in context. they're in the a prediction of what's going to happen in november. it gives you a simple state of the race. i think the most important thing about the projections are the fact that this race is close. it is close when you look at any potential democratic nominee, and that's the message we're trying to get across to every democrat that's focused on the primary, that we expect higher turnout on the democratic side but we also expect higher turnout on the republican side which i think gets under covered when they look at the november

election. that's the strategy of the trump campaign. number one, we're going to do everything we can to identify non-voters that would support the president and then we're going to engage in a massive amount of voter suppression to depress democratic turnout. this is a reminder that we expect this election to come down to simply one or two states worth of electoral votes and that we need to focus on the general election now even while the democratic primary is going on. >> as this is going on, one of the things i think democrats and observers of the process struggled with and kicked around a lot was the massive size of the democratic field. they're obviously going through the winnowing process right now. there are fewer democrats running at this time than a couple of weeks ago. is there any way that you can tell and in terms of understanding the

constructiveness of the democratic process, understanding whether or not the democratic primary process is likely to build a nominee who is both a lot of questions about electability, which i think is just the worst possible word at this point in the english language. that's why i said in that clip maybe we should vote for the president that we like or the nominee we like or see who will be the president. i think these primaries are important because they test our potential nominee. if you look at what barack obama went through against hillary clinton, that contested primary was important. the obama campaign say it was enough to build the muscle, the election. i think we're getting to the point now we need to see the field winnow. the purpose of being in this race is not to pick who is going

to be on the debate stage, it's to pick who our nominee is going to be. really there are only a small handful of people that actually have a believable path to get the delegates needed to get the novemb nominee. >> to be clear, the full force of what you're doing will support them and their efforts against the president? >> we -- look, any of the nominees, any of the democrats, rather, that are on the stage tomorrow night would be a hell of a lot better than the guy that sits in the oval office today. our mission of priorities is to support whomever the nominee is. what it is joe biden or elizabeth warren or bernie sanders or anybody else. we're going to do everything we can to make sure we defeat donald trump in november. >> guy cecil, priority's usa chairman. thanks for joining us and giving us a strategy. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> we have more news. stay with us. is mealtime a struggle?

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today the stock market took its biggest plunge in two years. the dow jones fell a thousand points today. fears about the global spread of the coronavirus are being blamed. the reaction of our own government to that crisis is not calming anyone ams nerves on wall street or anywhere else. the washington post reported late last week the state department decided to overrule scientists at the centers for disease control when they flew 14 members infected with the

virus on a plane with other people who didn't have the virus. president trump quickly explained he had no idea this was happening. nobody told him. quote, trump was angry that he wasn't consulted first, complaining that the decision could damage his administration's handling of the response. tonight a republican congressman from alabama expressed surprise and anger about a trump administration plan to put people infected with the virus at a military base in alabama. alabama congressman mike rogers telling local reporters the administration, quote, didn't ask, just informed, didn't ask the local leaders, didn't make sure the local hospitals were prepared. it was really poorly handled. that alabama plan is now apparently been shelved. meanwhile, as i mentioned at the top of the show, a top official on the coronavirus task force was on twitter today essentially trying to get help finding his car keys. ken cuccinelli, deputy secretary of homeland security tweeting today, quote, has the johns

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that is going to do it for us torrent. remember one thing to watch for in tomorrow's news is scheduled to be a sealed court hearing in the roger stone trial. you might have seen or heard about the president attacking the jurors from the roger stone trial, which is nice. so the jury that voted unanimously to convict him on seven felonies, we think this hearing tomorrow is on stone's request for a new trial on the basis of a supposedly biased juror who the president has been publicly attacking. a remarkably dark turn for the rule of law. we've had a lot of those lately. we don't know if that court hearing will ultimately be unsealed. we'll be watching that tomorrow afternoon. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> that will raise the question of what happens to roger stone's sentence. if roger stone does not