tv Super Tuesday Decision 2020 MSNBC March 3, 2020 1:00pm-3:00pm PST
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markets closing down almost exactly 300 points lower, after the fed cut rate today. be sure to stick with msnbc for today. super tuesday coverage will be on all night, bringing you exit polling and primary results. i'll be back at 2:00 a.m. eastern. thank you for watching. nicole wallace begins now. >> reporter: 4:00 on this super tuesday. hours away from the polls closing on what's likely the biggest night of the democratic primary race so far. with more than a third of the delegates required to win the nomination up for grabs in a race that looks dramatically different today than even one day ago. support for joe biden has skyrocketed in national polling, up 10 points since sunday. a new morning poll, biden reclaiming a significant
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national lead against bernie sanders. who remains the front-runner in the most important with the largest super tuesday states. that biden surge may be the culmination of an overnight influx of energy, urgency, and support for the former vice president in the form of zero hour endorsements for pete buttigieg and amy klobuchar after they suddenly suspended their campaigns and support from another former presidential candidate. texas's own beto o'rourke and other dozens of prominent democratic endorsements coming in the last 24 hours leading up to the super tuesday vote. coming together today to turn up the volume on a rallying cry that joe biden offers democrats the best chance to defeat trump. >> it is up to us, all of us, to put our country back together to heal this country and then to build something even greater. i believe we can do this
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together and that is why today, i am ending my campaign and endorsing joe biden for president. >> we need somebody who can bring us together and heal us. we need somebody who can reestablish the moral authority of the united states. we need somebody who will fight for democracy here and abroad because democracy is under attack here and abroad. we need joe biden. >> the whole idea was about rallying the country together to defeat donald trump and to win for the values that we share. that was always a goal that was much bigger than me becoming president, and it is in the nmel of that goal i'm delighted to endorse and support joe biden for president. >> that ground swell of support helping to reinforce the biden campaign narrative, the democratic primary quickly
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becoming a two man race between joe biden and bernie sanders. sanders candidacy taken a more direct route against front-runner status, winning two of the three first contests. that's despite mike bloomberg appearing on ballots for the first time today, the first test of his half a billion dollars in ad spending. elizabeth warren still on the campaign trail full-time making her case to voters and holding out hope for a revival, but the renewed confidence from the establishment in biden's candidacy has as much to do with its angst about bernie sanders' electability and capacity for widening his base of support in november as it does genuine enthusiasm for biden's campaign. "new york times" today pulls back the curtain on some of the apprehension leading up to this moment. quote, interviews with more than 100 democratic elected officials, campaign strategists, union leaders and donors revealed a party establishment that spent many months distressed about the implications of nominating mr. sanders but frozen over who
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would be the best alternative. many of the most influential officials, organizations and donors in the party remain torn about their concerns about mr. sanders' chances in the general election. their fear of antagonizing supporters in awful and rueful recognition, he assembled a political movement with appeal beyond the base he built in 2016. but all that bernie anxiety that sanders is seizing on in the hours before the polls close. it's proof, he says, of his campaign's strength and the force of his base. >> are you concerned about the moderates consolidating behind joe biden? >> look, it is no secret, "washington post" with 16 articles a day on this, that there is a massive effort trying to stop bernie sanders. that's not a secret to anybody in this room. the corporate establishment is coming together. the political establishment is coming together, and they will do everything. they are really getting nervous. they're working people standing
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up. >> reporter: the battle over super tuesday where we start today with our favorite reporters and friends. with us at the table, kareem john pierre from moveon.org and msnbc national affairs john hileman, glad to see you back, my friend. >> hi. >> hi. former republican strategist steve schmidt is back and then in the field, shaquille brewster, following the sanders campaign, and then los angeles outside biden headquarters, nbc's political reporter mike memoli. i want to start with you, with the question. i understand in the democratic primary, it is shaping up to be a dynamic where bernie is both the victim of and the beneficiary of the optics of establishment but the truth, it's african-american voters in south carolina that are the reason that joe biden is in this race. it's nothing to do with the establishment. the establishment would have thrown joe biden overboard.
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if pete buttigieg had gotten the bounce when people win iowa. if someone started winning. joe biden isn't in the position because of the establishment. they would have happily thrown him overboard. it's because african-american voters came out in i think 2008-like numbers in the state of south carolina. >> black voters in south carolina took out three candidates. that's what we saw. tom steyer, amy klobuchar, and pete buttigieg. that's what they did and made themselves very loud and clear. it was the first time black voters were majority of the democratic electorate in iowa and new hampshire, nevada, about 6% and made themselves really clear what they wanted and who they were looking at. here's the thing with bernie sanders, he has been running for the past five years. he has to be able to show that he can expand his base. right now, it is mostly white and young and he has to do more.
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he has to be able to do that. with joe biden, we have to see, was it just a one-off? right? south carolina with the help of jim clyburn. we've got to not forget, jim clyburn, that helped him to endorse joe biden. was this a one-off for biden? does the momentum exist, the joe-mentum as they're calling it. we'll see what happens. >> i started with karine because i feel like the biden campaign is letting this narrative about an establishment or, first of all, the existence of an establishment in my experience in republican politics is highly overstated. the power of an establishment is also highly overstated, and that has anything to do with where he stands today really doesn't feel like the right answer. he's where he is because african-american voters and karine is right, very passionate recommendation of jim clyburn came out in 2008-like numbers. out sort of expanding the vote
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way beyond 2016 numbers for joe biden. >> reporter: the biden campaign believed we in the media and left leaning twitter has never gotten this primary dynamic right, that the democratic party is much more in the joe biden lane than in the bernie sanders lane and in part because the african-american demographics tend to embrace more of a joe biden view of politics than bernie sanders at this point, especially those that vote in larger numbers, older african-american numbers, so there's always this sense that the, i can't help but notice over the past few weeks as we've seen the campaign shift from iowa and new hampshire where voters are very skeptical looking to joe biden to prove something to them and move to nevada, south carolina, and some of these super tuesday states where there's a much more willingness to, i think, embrace joe biden and what he stands for, that the candidates' performance translated into better success for him. he is doing better. i tweeted this last night. i've been covering him since
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2007. i don't think i've seen him having this much fun on the campaign trail, happy warrior he has often been, folks from hubert humphrey, one of his mentors is back. he hasn't had a political moment in the last 48 hours like he has just this weekend and yesterday, and he's clearly showing it and i think that's translating. >> what do they describe as a successful night tonight, mike memoli? >> reporter: i think you hit the nail on the head, that part of what has led to a rallying around joe biden at this point is the fear of the quote unquote establishment about bernie sanders and they acknowledge that bernie sanders is going to have a good night in terms of delegates tonight is all about edging mike bloomberg finally out of the conversation. he has been on the receiving end, bloomberg and his allies, a lot of intrigue from the democratic establishment from people close to president obama encouraging him to do what so many other candidates have done at this point and get out of the way. the biden campaign believes that there could be a steyer-like dynamic where all this money, all this investment on the
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ground and the air translates into nothing. so they also though, i think, are sort of underplaying their chances in terms of delegates. they have a really interesting delegate strategy. focus on the fact the most powerful delegate districts tonight are the ones that are heavily african-american. they think he can do better than a lot of people are thinking and that's where more delegates come from tonight, congressional district by congressional district, not statewide. >> and i think pete buttigieg started pounding this theme, even before joe biden did, but it's, you know, if you sort of absorb part of the messages from the people that drop out and endorse you, this is a good one for biden to have absorbed and that's the benefit to democratic candidates running for the senate, running for the house and statewide. this is the morning consult poll that joe biden woke up to. up 10 since sunday. it seems to say a lot that this race is so spastic still. that people are really, like, i
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don't remember such volatility, and tell me what you think it means. i think it means the electability question, as much as we've talked about it, that kind of calculation changes after someone wins something. >> you had a giant crowded field, democrats had a hard time figuring out for a year what to do, didn't have the same type of w winnowing function. in this case, you had six out in south carolina. the reality is there's a lot of things that happened in south carolina, and clearly the one, as the reality of bernie sanders set in for not just the establishment, for whatever that is or means, but for the giant chunk of the party that's not the progressive wing of the party.
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fast track to be the nominee he had a hold over the most important constituency in the democratic party rks the the last outstanding question. answered in both directions. biden still had that hold on the party, that loyalty and bernie did not. raised the large question that if bernie sanders hasn't made progress with african-americans in south carolina, has he made progress with them anywhere in the country and the fact that biden was the repository, it suddenly became clear, i was there, you know, if south carolina, people said, okay, there's only one person who can stop bernie sanders now. he may or may not be able to do
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it, but he's the only one and that crystal kind of realization is why all these dominos followed quickly the following day. >> shaq brewster, we talk numbers all night long so i'll put those aside for a second. i want to talk about messages. bernie sanders also had the first week of any sort of contrast to his record in a sustained way in a single state between las vegas and south carolina and it was the issue before invesnevada, sorry, not state of las vegas, nevada. but the messaging sharpened up a little bit. but a couple of days and then going into south carolina, some real contrasts that bernie sanders and i don't know it really seeped into the national conversation but at a state level, there were sharpened attacks around his record on guns and the reality of the cost of his health care plan or the
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no apology sanders campaign still? >> reporter: well, if you listen to what senator sanders is saying, his message continues to be consistent. especially after uncomfortable, expressed being weird for people to consider him a front-runner. he's now able to rail against the establishment in the way he hasn't been able to in a couple of weeks now and that's how he's been responding to the endorsements. that's how his aides have been responding to those endorsements saying these are politicians endorsing other politicians that regular people don't really care about that. you're also hearing from senator sanders, him trying to open the door to the supporters of these people who had dropped out, these former candidates. he said, amy, he welcomes the
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supporters of amy klobuchar, of mayor pete buttigieg, he wants them to join his coalition saying there may be some differences, but at the end of the day, people believe in the government, in his words, that's about justice, rather than greed. so you see him trying to embrace supporters while pushing away what he calls establishment and that's a much more natural position for this senator than he's been able to be in for the past couple of weeks. >> i get political spin. i've pedalled it for a lot of my career but joe biden not in the position because of the democratic establishment. they would have left him for dead. because african-american voters as enthusiastically as they embraced joe biden, rejected bernie sanders. >> reporter: i asked about that yesterday. we were in salt lake city, we've been moving around. salt lake city, and then minneapolis, and then came to vermont. we were in salt lake city and
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allowed us to ask questions. first test of african-american support and the voters he had and frankly failed that test and something he pointed to, he didn't go to selma and does that help not going to a place like selma, something he pointed to, he said he believes among younger african-americans, that's where he has the support, but we saw that happen in 2016. that's something, an advantage he had in 2016, generational gap among younger voters. it's not clear if they're understanding he needs to do better across all voters. while talking to andrea mitchell earlier, how he does better and improving the turnout. something jeff weaver said, other candidates bringing out the turnout. he believes he has the energy and excitement to bring people out, but it's not open question about whether or not that can translate across a natural spectrum and that will be the test on super tuesday. >> you shook your head. >> so african-american voters in south carolina, basically
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decided who was electable to them. it wasn't just older african-americans. it was also younger african-american voters in south carolina. and we have to remember that. the last thing i wanted to say, talking to voters, i was in south carolina and other early states, but when i was in south carolina, people are playing pundits. they are looking, the voters. they're trying to figure out what is the biggest thing that they want? they want to beat donald trump. so they're looking at everyone and they're trying to make up their mind. it's not even hard. it's more of like, we want to know who can get to him, who can beat him in november and that's what we're seeing. we see them be pundits out there. >> steve, when i watch the endorsement, the unity rally last night, one thing was so clear and we worked for a candidate in john mccain who knew joe biden as his friend in the senate and you saw him again as people's friends. i mean, sometimes, these endorsements are so painful because they hate each other,
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you know? nobody dislikes joe biden and to see him win, to go and then endorse him after pete buttigieg or beto obviously has been out for a while. it doesn't seem unnatural. and seems to be benefitting from being the guy that everyone liked that now has finally won who's assembled a coalition and as much enthusiasm from african-american voters as barack obama did in 2008, he has everything lined up. as good of a position as he's been. >> it's lining up in the symmetry from a message in a presidential election, always a choice. for joe biden, he makes it easy. good man versus bad man and fundamental question for the country, so i think that when you look at all of the volatility that's been in the race, i think there's been a migration of opinion by democrats over the back half of 2019. i think if you went to the beginning of the summer and you talked to democrats, it was
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inconceivable that donald trump could get elected and by the time you hit mid january 2020, oh my god, he's going to get another four years. and so i think you're seeing these numbers reflect that as democratic voters take very seriously the existential importance of this election, and putting somebody into the nomination that can defeat donald trump and bring together a coalition of people, and for bernie sanders, the message is so reminiscent of trump's message and probably explains why 11% of sanders voters crossed over and voted for trump. it's a grievance message. it's an anger message. with regard to an establishment, certainly, if there is one, bernie sanders is a part of it. he's a multimillionaire who owns ten houses, excuse me, who owns three houses, and serves in the united states and in the senate. that's the establishment. but trying to tear down the institutions has been the work of one party and the trumpist
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movement,ciprocate it, i think there's a lot of angst on the democratic party and i think explains the volatility. >> here's the way in which joe biden is, in fact. what we see in south carolina, you're right, it's because the african-american vote that joe biden is able, has now emerged as the main moderate challenger to bernie sanders, but your point earlier, a powerful part of the argument is an establishment argument. that's that down ticket democrats in the house do not want to run with bernie sanders at the top of the ticket. they don't. even the ones on the left don't want to run with bernie sanders at the top of the ticket and those, that is the democratic establishment. the electeds move behind joe biden and look at what happens. bernie sanders is the front-runner and he's going to be the front-runner tomorrow morning. he could be the prohibitive front-runner because of his money, his organization, the fact he's so far ahead of biden in states like california and texas and in particular, but the reality, bernie sanders won a quarter of the vote in iowa, new
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hampshire, and a fifth in south carolina and tells you something messed up about the democratic party that the potentially prohibitive front-runner that won that small portion of the democratic electorates in the first four contests, that's an amazing fact that he's not won more than a third and that was in the smallest electorate in nevada. >> let me try to articulate the sanders world view. sanders event on saturday in boston in the snow with 10,000 supporters. i watched that speech. he is still, especially with pete buttigieg out of the race, the one with the deepest emotional connection to his base. i mean, if he hadn't failed to completely turn out any part of that vote in south carolina, if he could have proven his turnout model and pointed to african-americans in south carolina, i think he would be in a saro stronger position but i still see him with a potentially
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insurmountable delegate lead. >> if there's a plurality winner, it's a brokered convention but i think when we look at the prism of the health of the country, i don't think it should be the intensity of the cult of personality. we have one cult of personality in this country and one is bad enough. we don't need to have a second cult of personality and i think you're seeing that play out to some degree. >> you're seeing democratic voters thinking, maybe not. maybe not. shaq brewster, mike memoli, two of the best of the best. thank you for starting us off and spending the first 22 minutes with us. i'm grateful. when we come back on super tuesday, mike bloomberg on fire for what his path to the nomination looks like but insisting he's in it until november and prepping for the contested convention. warren abandoning her bloomberg beatdown to go on the offense against joe biden calling him an insider who poses a big risk to the party and the nation.
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i have no intention of dropping out. we're in it to win it and i don't understand why you would not ask every other -- here's your answer. >> there's your answer. mike bloomberg appears on primary ballots for the very first time today. in that clip, striking a defiant tone in the face of his campaign before it's really started. the backdrop for all of that, his colossal wager, spending on tv and radio advertising, dwarfing the competition. $200 million. roughly the same as the payroll for the los angeles dodgers. again, that's just on super tuesday states. joining our conversation in the nick of time, pulitzer prize winning, eugene robinson. i guess that's good that money can't buy you love. >> it can get you attention, it can get you -- >> it can cost joe biden the delegates he needs. >> we'll see how many delegates he costs joe biden.
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>> here's what i don't understand. he didn't get in because he didn't want to do this precise thing to hillary clinton, and he gave a convention speech along those lines. what do you think changed in four years? >> for bloomberg? i take him at his word. he didn't think anybody could win or anybody could beat trump and he has that bug that says, i could be president. and then, you know, when people get that -- >> never dies. >> never dies, right. so still have that and look, this is couch cushion change for him. what he's spending. >> by a baseball team? >> baseball league, easily, and not miss the money. but it will be very interesting because if he really underperforms today and i think there's a chance that he does, he's a data wonk.
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he's got to look at it and say, where am i going here? >> i think his debate performances read even more profoundly devastating to his viability than pundits saw. he stood there and looked somehow above the process and i think the money combined with the look, i doubt he was disinterested. it was some combination of being unprepared and unaccustomed to the format but i think the fact money got him his standing in the polls and then the debate performances just channelled disinterest and a lack of preparedness sealed his fate. >> i think that we need to watch and see tonight how the returns come in, that there will be a lot of volatility in the race. our old state of california, early voting, about a third of the vote in, the california always breaks late. so that same day voting, we're going to see who has momentum in this race all across the side,
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but i think one of the important things for democrats to understand is the incredible fundraising advantage that donald trump has over the democratic party, the democratic candidates, and in order to win a general election against donald trump, the democratic candidates need mike bloomberg to do what mike bloomberg said. when you saw the debacle in iowa, the collapse of the technology platforms, the trump technology platforms are not going to collapse between today and election day. you can't say that about the democrats. and certainly, you look at the sophistication of the targeting and all of the things that bloomberg is doing, and i'm just on a personal level of this idea, there's some of these candidates by announcing three years early that they have legitimacy in the race and people who get into the race later, i really disagree with it. when you look at the argument he
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made today which is that nobody's going to accrue the necessary delegates, we have a process, we have rules, and at a convention, we should pick the strongest candidate to go up against trump. what he's saying with his belief and his conviction is that i'm the guy who can beat donald trump for any one of a number of reasons and i think that when you look at joe biden, i do think it's fair to say, we had a great victory that his performance has been uneven over the course of the campaign at such a level that if you're looking at the trump versus biden contest, you have reason to bewa to be wary. >> no one's performance was more evenly subpar than bloomberg. and his theory of the case. so the air has been taken out of the balloon and what i mean by that, his performance, two debate performances were subpar or awful, however you want to look at it but also, joe biden is doing better. one of the reasons he got in, the theory -- >> i thought that was mike
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bloomberg calling. >> but, you know, joe biden is now doing better, right? we have to see if this is not just one of his, as i said earlier, but bloomberg is an x factor. two x factors here, bloomberg and warren. what happens tonight? do they reach the 15% threshold? does it hurt biden? does it hurt bernie? vice versa for elizabeth warren, we're going to find out tonight. >> we'll talk about that next. what do you think about the bloomberg candidacy? >> i think that mike bloomberg got into the race having decided as he did in 2000, 2012 and 2016, there was no path for him to win. he watched for a year. at the moment he decided to get in when biden was at, and warren on the rise, they saw a very narrow opening which was not that they thought he could get in late and win the nomination outright but they could go to the convention in milwaukee and maybe win the contested
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scenario. that seemed to be going okay when the race was chaotic and fluid and he was not being seen by any actual voters. he was only image on the advertising that was flooding the country. >> ads are great. >> much of it suggesting falsely, misleadingly, barack obama was somehow endorsing mike bloomberg, like a lot of people in the country, having seen that ad over and over again, came to the conclusion when in fact, the likes the other one at all, you had the debate and i think you're right. the debate was not only catastrophically bad and allowed voters to imagine what it would be like to see him against donald trump but voters mostly saying, mike bloomberg has this money, he could take on donald trump. that's mike bloomberg, he can't take on trump and looked like he was trying to buy the election. if he's that bad, it looks more like you're trying to pull one over on the voters by hiding. so he goes on the main stage and does poorly. most of the people around him saying to him, as of saturday, saying to him, if you were serious and this is a fact, if
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you're serious about beating bernie sanders, you should drop out of the race today, meaning, like, sunday. mike bloomberg's attitude is like you can imagine a lot of rich men, his guys spent half a billion on this race, you're telling me to get out of the race before a single person in a single state where my name on the ballot has had the chance to vote, screw you. that's been his attitude. he's going to compete today and we're going to see how he does. there is a lot of early vote, votes were cast and the period before that debate, still looking good on the back of the ads. could be a lot of mike bloomberg votes out there. we'll see how he does. i think tomorrow morning, mike bloomberg and the people around him going to reassess and if he has a really great day, he's not getting out. if he has a really bad day today, i think there's a chance he will come back to his senses and say, wait a minute, we got to stop bernie sanders, because that's the way to beat donald trump. they believe if sanders is the nominee, he will lose to trump and bloomberg, if he has a bad
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enough day, could be out before the weekend. >> when we come back, elizabeth warren still on the offense against all of her opponents but got a new target. it's joe biden. that story is next. at leaf blowers. you should be mad your neighbor always wants to hang out. and you should be mad your smart fridge is unnecessarily complicated. make ice. making ice. but you're not mad because you have e*trade which isn't complicated. their tools make trading quicker and simpler so you can take on the markets with confidence. don't get mad get e*trade and start trading commission free today.
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vo:untrue attacks againstve, mike bloomberg. bloomberg has been praised by president obama. obama: he's been a leader throughout the country for the past twelve years. mr. michael bloomberg is here. vo: mike worked with president obama to combat gun violence and improve public education. as president, he'll work to combat inequality by launching a new initiative to spur african american and latino
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barrelling toward another primary along the same lanes as 2016. one for an insider, one for an outsider. democratic voters should have more choice than that, america should have more choice than that. that's why i'm running for president. >> which one is the insider? the one who's a current senator or a retired -- >> it's crazy. >> who is she attacking? >> by the way, she's a sitting senator, so -- >> the ultimate washington insider. i think she has her priorities straight there for people who fall through the cracks, but a lot of things she has to do and win her state. you cannot run, lose your state and say you're going to be the next president of the united
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states. >> do you think she has to quit? >> can't lose your own state. >> that's why jeb bush got out -- >> amy klobuchar. and why kamala harris got out. >> get her name off the ballot in california. what's she up to? >> warren? well, you know, if i were, one of the things i'd be thinking about, if i stay in, what impact am i having on this race? am i hurting bernie sanders? by siphoning off progressive strength? am i somehow hurting joe biden and if i'm not going to win, which one do i want to hurt? that could play into her calculation, but campaigns usually end when they kind of
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run out of money or hope or both a and if she loses massachusetts, she'll be out of realistic hope. she has some money but that will run out too. >> i wonder, there was a lot of, i think, consternation that this field went from being the most diverse in terms of gender and ethnicity to, um, not. age. and i wonder how much of that is on her mind. what do you think? >> i think so. look, i think elizabeth warren has been known to be a fighter, thinking a lot about what happened. why did she not take off, had a great campaign, a wonderful message that permeates with a lot of people. the progressive kind of sector there and, you know, just to step back more, in 2015, she was urged by move on. we did a run warren, she decided
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not to run. bernie sanders stepped into that space and from then on, he just -- so that's one of the things and also, she had that unity message that didn't work because people wanted her to fight and now she's fighting. it might be too late. >> after the break, the post-truth president struggles to process the truth about vaccines. we'll bring you the latest about the white house's efforts to calm a worried public about the coronavirus next it's an honor to tell you that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. i love you! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ and i don't count the wrinkles. but what i do count on is boost high protein. and now, introducing new boost women... with key nutrients to help support thyroid, bone, hair and skin health. all with great taste. new, boost women. designed just for you.
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. when we talk about vaccine is going to be ready in a couple of months, it won't be ready to be deployed. it's going to take a while. >> we're moving aggressively to accelerate the process of developing a vaccine. a lot of good things are happening and they're happening very fast. i said, do me a favor, speed it up. speed it up. and they will. >> comments made literally one hour this morning after the number of cases of coronavirus continues to grow. it's not confirmed. in 15 states and the death toll has risen to 9. president pushing for a vaccine in a time frame that his own infectious disease expert warns is not possible but fauci understands the precarious line he walks between trump and truth. telling politico, quote, you should never destroy your own credibility and you don't want to go to war with a president,
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you've got to walk a fine balance of making sure you continue to tell the truth. "washington post" ashley parker, you and your colleagues have had remarkable reporting about what this period has been like for the president, the piece i think that popped saturday night when we were all on the air covering south carolina about just the president's almost singular maniacal focus on the markets as a tool for strengthening his own reelection, seems to have sort of colored all of his interactions with scientists and everyone else in the government. has any of that changed? >> he's still focused on the markets. he's following the gyrations and also, this is a president and this is the challenge for a lot of these agencies in public health officials that are actually experts in this field is that this is a president who is accustomed to following and obsessing not just 24 hour news cycles but hourly news cycles and minute by minute news cycles. one of the things they're
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internally trying to navigate, fauci got at it a bit, the ability to explain to the president, you may have to take a bad news cycle, you may have to take a hit that doesn't sound great on tv when someone says, look, there is community spread or we're taking mitigation steps that may mean closing down schools in a certain county and it is a bad news cycle but it's a bad news cycle for a day to help you win the broader war which is actually eradicating this fast-moving virus and that's the ultimate good news cycle but a lot of mini bad news cycles in that and that's what they're trying to explain to the president and it's a question they're trying to figure out. how far can they go to push this president to accept bad news and news, as you said at the beginning, that may make the markets tumble momentarily? >> you asked the question on every parent's mind when you asked the vice president yesterday, if he would take his kids, his family to disneyland. tell us about that.
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>> so he didn't entirely answer but the reason i asked that was because that's exactly what we're hearing. that's what i'm hearing from my friends and family and that's what readers are writing in to the "washington post," to know the things with how it affects day-to-day life. spring break is coming up. should they cancel trips they've already booked? should they refrain from booking trips? how safe is it to travel in the united states? and disney world is kind of that classic example. so we wanted to know, would the vice president feel comfortable taking his wife, three grown children, their husbands and wives and partners to disney and, disney world and again, he kind of, i don't want to say he dodged the question. he didn't quite give a clear answer but said i travel all over the country and as of now, there's no explicit warnings not to travel do mostically. >> great reporting from your colleagues about what the president didn't say when he did that press conference, the case in california had just been reported to him and i believe in
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news organizations, he didn't reveal it. is transparency their goal or is it something else? >> i mean, that was the lead of our sunday story. they say transparency is one of their goals, and transparency i one of the key things you need to communicate to the public. but the global health crisis, some people are committed to transparency. but you have a president again who does not like to be the bearer of bad news, who does not like to see the markets fall. so while he may be committed to transparency, you are not always seeing that from the top and that creates this muddled messaging, this mixed messaging. and the very thing you don't want in the middle of a pandemic when the public is turning on the tv and saying, wait a second. the president said one thing. the cdc direct canner said another. who should i trust? what should do i?
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officially hitting the us. man: the markets are plunging for a second straight day. vo: health experts warn the us is underprepared. managing a crisis is what mike bloomberg does. in the aftermath of 9-11, he steadied and rebuilt america's largest city. oversaw emergency response to natural disasters. upgraded hospital preparedness to manage health crises. and he's funding cutting edge research to contain epidemics. tested. ready. mike: i'm mike bloomberg and i approve this message. we're back. eugene, there is perhaps nothing more daunting than -- we live with this. there is so much information we can sift through, reliable and
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unreliable. if you're hungry for the facts and you have a president contradicting anthony fauci on vaccines, i imagine you're pretty frustrated. >> yeah. >> we know that. believe him. and i'm hoping we get more clarity as we get some actual testing in this country. that's really been the gap in my opinion. i'm not an epidemioligist but i do talk to them. they say you don't find it unless you look for it. we need to know the extent of infection. that might make people feel better about it. >> i think there's more to worry about.
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>> well -- >> now you have more things to worry about. >> might make people feel better. >> but the american military commanders overseas have been urnlg urged not to make any decisions that might surprise the white house or run afoul of president trump's messaging. what? >> crazy. >> 2020, folks. the greatest crisis management speech of all time. winston churchill talking to the british people after the fall of british forces at dunkirk. he doesn't say we beat the germans or we beat the problem. he starts precisely, calmly, with facts and having a plan. that's the jock of government. so we're sitting there talking
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about donald trump and this is the deep state that he's mistrustful for. we look at bernie sanders. bends in democrat-ese, the establishment is deep state. same stuff. >> unbelievable. all right. only note, we'll be here all night long with you. a quick break for us. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. billions of mouths.
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if it's tuesday, it's a super tuesday edition. i'm chuck todd coming to you live from nbc election headquarters. we are gearing up for quite a night and early morning in what has already been a roller coaster of a democratic contest. they don't call it super tuesday for nothing. 14 states. the two biggest priceses, california and texas. more than 1,300 delegates, roughly a third of all
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delegates, are at stake tonight. and it is significant for the front-runner sanders than anyone thought a few days ago. and then there's joe biden who is rapidly consolidating support following his victory in south carolina. endorsementes from basically the former moderate field. pete he buttigieg, amy klobuchar and beto o'rourk. the first polls close in a few hours. we'll have a look at the mood and the electorate. how many people waited until the last minute to make their decisions? bernie sanders is hoping that he gets commanding lead after tonight. it would mean running up the score in california. 4 final delegates alone. in state. many voted early. what does that mean? it could take weeks to count all the california votes which will inject another dose of under certainty into the race. and sanders is hoping for another win in texas.
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he was lead bigg double digits. all of. before south carolina. biden, however, is hoping to limit the damage in those two states. maybe even pull a surprise in texas while building only lead in south carolina this weekend where he homes to have big victories in the other seven states up for grabs. alabama, virginia, tennessee. even a great night for biden still likely means sanders will be ahead in delegates. a couple of other x factors. bloomberg's billions and the sanders x card. it is an astronomical spum may or may not get him above a simple 15% threshold to earn delegates. and then there's elizabeth warren. she needs to avoid losing to sanders in her own state of massachusetts where sanders rallied more than 10,000 people this weekend. at this hour we'll be talking with advisers and surrogates.
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our reporters with news inside the campaign. plus you know what we're doing, bringing you the first hints of the exit polls. let's begin with kasie hunt with the sanders campaign. gabe gutierrez is with bloomberg in florida. a reporter in detroit and mike, we will start with you in los angeles. it is interesting. you're there. the biden campaign. is there a presence in the biden campaign in southern california? >> reporter: well, the former vice president will be here for what he hopes is a celebratory evening. first tenchs. that has emerged in the last few days as the center piece of their super tuesday strategy. and i think on this super tuesday back to the conversations you and i had on the night of the iowa caucuses.
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i was telling you how they were eagerly down playing and lowering expectations either for effect or because they knew it was about to happen. i think the difference with super tuesday, they welcomed the lower expectations. the conventional wisdom that bernie sanders will end up tworm a pretty large delegate haul. they do feel like there are indications they have moved in their direction. i think the biggest thing to look for, what they home for a repeat from south carolina is the tom steyer effect with michael bloomberg. if that happens, that pushes joe biden above the delegate threshold and a lot of places. especially what they're really focused on are congressional districts. you know this, chuck. more delegates are awarded on the basis of congressional districts than statewide results and that's why the limited resources the biden campaign has have been poured so heavily into the districts that look like south carolina. they think they can pick off an extra one here and there and that will make a difference. >> well, barack obama did a lot of that in 2008 where hillary
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clinton won it but he cherry picked enough delegates to keep her stroongs a minimum. we'll see how well that strategy works. let's to go kasie hunt with bernie sanders in vermont. this has to be quite a whip lash watching the entire democratic party winning, i guess, the establishment win, whatever you want to call it, coalesce in a way that i don't think any of us thought was possible a week ago. >> reporter: you're bright the last month. what i think is important, the campaign has been fundamentally assuming this was how this race he -- >> we're having -- kasie, your video is taking a bunch of hits. we'll figure that out. let me to go gabe gutierrez with bloomberg today in florida today which does not vote today.
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florida votes in two weeks. how is michael bloomberg handling these questions of when are you getting out? or are you hurting joe biden? >> reporter: bloomberg is definitely hearing the chore us. several times he was asked whether he will get out of the race and coalesce with joe biden and he repeatedly said he is in it to win it. we're here in florida which doesn't vote today. the primary is in two weeks but bloomberg is ramping up his campaign here. he has 160 paid staffers here. 16 campaign offices. he spent the day crisscrossing the state. he is arguing he is better positioned to win the state, especially after the comments a found days ago about fidel castro. bloomberg spent the day reaching out to cuban american voters in miami. i caught up with him and he was asked about the possibility of
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dropping out of race. here's how he responded. >> joe is taking votes away from me. >> you're also taking votes from joe biden. >> i have no intention of dropping out. we're in it to win it and i don't understand why you would not ask every other candidate to drop out. i don't think that i can win any other ways. contested convention is a democratic process. >> that last point is key, chuck. it is increasingly drawing democrats to criticize him for potentially splitting up the party. he spent half a billion in the campaign. he's apparently decided, in the state that he's competing in, he
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wants to see how it plays out. he has a lot riding on it. >> he sound ad bit defensive about it. >> reporter: he seemed annoyed even. his campaign pushing back on a report that said that some of them from biden are urging him to get out. race. and they said there is zero truth to that. >> i think if you and i spent $600 million for this, we might be stubborn ourselves. let me check in with allie. michigan votes a week from today. talk about sending a message. warren isn't going anywhere. >> they are acknowledging that they have no path that doesn't
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take a convention to fix things. >> you're right. they've been calling this the final play. and i feel like so many of us got into this business because we're not good at math or data. but those are the two words the campaign will be all about. trying get as many as as possible. but testing the theory, when i asked them what it means for the other candidates they reminded me of something that i've seen on the campaign trail time and time again. that voters don't vote based on lanes. when you see amy klobuchar or pete buttigieg getting out of the race, the assumption should not be they automatically go to joe biden. i've met those voters and elizabeth warren is certainly in the mix. campaigning shows her a consistent second choice. she was short with me when i asked if she was going to win her home state.
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twofold. you get the crowds when you're walking out to vote but then you have to show up and actually win there. >> again in michigan, a primary state one week from today. now i think we have our technical issues fixed. i home so. take it away. >> reporter: pabasically the sanders campaign has been preparing for this. that it would be monolithic and against him. that doesn't mean he's not been trying privately to make some inroads there but i think the expectation has existed all the way along. and they've been organizing to try to overcome it. that means relying on big states like texas and california. i think the big challenge tonight will be on that momentum question. joe biden is clearly benefitting from it but also the way the
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night will play out. you know it better than anybody. they may not get the narrative of momentum on their side because of how late california comes in. and we may not know. >> the time zones. >> reporter: exactly. and the counting. he had really held his fire against hillary clinton. i think the frame is one that bernie sanders is very comfortable with. >> he does seem to be solidifying how he wants to run against joe biden. >> thank you. let's get our first look at the exit polls. we have a ton to go through. this is all state based data.
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>> first, to explain what you're seeing here. first, the first wave, there will be more data that comes in. we don't have exit polls covering every super tuesday state utah and, a ash are not part of the exit polls. you'll see the composite polls for all the other states up to today. merged together to give you a sense overall of what this electorate is looking like. first you can take a look at age. a little more than a third is under 45. nearly two-thirds, 45 plus. and remember, age has been such a huge dividing line in this primary campaign in terms of which voters are supporting which candidates. we can show you, this is a little more than 60% like today. california going today, texas, a real big test of the hispanic. 14% african-american. we saw this in south carolina last week and i thought it was
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interesting. should the next president's policies be more of a return to barack obama's policy? more liberal, more conservative? the number is 44% more toward obama's policies. last week in south carolina, this number checked if at 53%. in new hampshire, it checked in at 44%. so that's the range. we're about level with that. but taking a long at some of the individual states in this exit poll. >> show me california. >> how about this one? i'll show you north carolina. the number in north carolina is 56. it's higher. >> i wonder who that helps. >> yeah. the other end of the range, massachusetts. a big state tonight. that number clocking in at 40. so there is some significant variance there. you see that number. south carolina was 53. 56 in north carolina.
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first wave exit polls. we've got more coming in. a lot more to come in. >> a tunnon more. a fun night. not the super bowl. this is our start of march madness. anyway, thank you vex. we'll check back in when we get more including time of decision making, things like that. much more to come. the biggest day of the primary calendar, period. will anyone dominate the delegate race? do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging? prevagen is the number one pharmacist-recommended
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tuesday. , that bloomberg. very defensive more than most candidates. bloomberg acknowledged the only way he can win the democratic nomination is at a contested convention this summer. joining me, andrea mitchell. david plouffe, and an msnbc contributor. welcome all. andrea, first of all, the joe biden revival. mccain 2008? this seems as big and maybe even more impressive than what mccain pulled off. >> what kind of bounce out of north carolina, then this extraordinary 24 hours with all these people dropping out, endorsing him. was it real? could he capitalize on it? the fact is he has no organization and no money. so what can you make of this on this huge day and that's the question we'll see tonight. can he make something of it?
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and build on the momentum from these endorsements? will the moderate split up and what does it moan for mike bloomberg? >> what is the party saying? that i mean, they're jumping into a boat that a week ago looked like it would sink. it is a reminder again that momentum is more important than anything in politics. let's remember. it is always easier for a politician to get back support they once had. so biden was the national front-runner. he didn't do well in the debates. he had one great night. people come back. in part because nobody else anxioused the mail. pete did well but didn't grow his base. warren was stuck in the teens. bloomberg looked promising but crashed on the debate stage. the african-american vote, we'll
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see that tonight, but looking at the rest, mississippi, georgia, florida should be a good biden state. >> i'll fascinated. texas is my favorite state to watch. this is young voters works class and latinos with sanders african-american older voters, and it feels like texas is the perfect testimony. it is like they're meeting in dallas. it is the perfect storm. we are underestimating warren's storm. she is the only person that can grow that base that biden will need and the one that bernie wants her to drop out sosa he can coalesce around that. so you see a lot of suburban
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women who really champion her regardless of race or economic status. >> one of my producers brought this up about this warren supporter. they may ideologically be more in line with bernie but they're still angry with the way hillary was treated. and this is something that's a bit of a wild card. you can't assume most of warren goes to bernie. they're also angry with the way he's been treating warren. i still say bernie has the most extraordinary online fundraising organization in american history. there is nothing that parallels it. i can keep going and going. there is only one way that he can go head to head. toe to toe with bernie for the
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distance. that is if bloomberg does not do well. if he throws his money to biden, that gives biden the organization, the staffing and the money. what i'm sharing a strong affinity for bernie from steyer. he's already been funding -- they each get a billionaire? >> but he has the infrastructure with young voters correct me if i'm wrong. most of his next gen, a lot of them went to working for bernie. >> you look at the infrastructure. that was one of the infrastructure that's bernie was able to tap into. and he's close to him. it will be interesting.
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african-americans with joe biden and the latino vote. >> the one question is bernie's coalition is filled with people haven't been reliable voters while biden's coalition is nose are more reliable primary voters. is that fair to say? >> i think so. but i think the money means they'll maximize that. i think you have to look at, so bs does need to raise more money. if it gets down to a two-person race, if you're sanders, you have to maximize your delegate yield. >> take us inside michael bloomberg's head right there. that looks like a candidate who
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is just -- part of me that i think gets it. he knows it isn't going to work. >> first of all, four days ago, it looked like he would be the savior, number one. that's hard to reconcile. secondly, bloomberg has rarely failed in life. now he spent an historic amount of money and he may not even be viable. a week or two ago -- he was going to win primaries. >> he was going to be the white knight for the unity message of bringing them all together. just passing out the sxash the organization. >> is there a penalty for taking that money? >> it's hard. i would have thought that he would have talked about how he's actually funded most of the progressive issues that people care with.
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>> climate. >> every single major thing that you care about. and it will be interesting to see how folks actually react to that. >> as your organization, do you feel like, would you get heat for taking bloomberg money now? >> that's a challenge. when he came in running for president, even if i don't win. >> he has to fulfill that promise. the money is helpful and he does have talent. bloomberg is in a position where they fund every idea. good or bad. i think they're doing some really interesting digital work. particularly when you're staring across the ma'am at trump. they're digital marketing first. whoever is the nominee will benefit. >> i don't hate the idea that they're testing the limits of
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and to beat donald trump, we are going to need to have the largest vote you are turnout in the history of this country. we need energy. we need excitement. i think our campaign is that campaign. >> welcome back. bernie sanders sounding pretty confident this morning as he cast his ballot in his home state of vermont, which is a super tuesday state. the campaign manager for bernie sanders, first of all, happy super tuesday. we're here. >> thank you. >> i think you feel it's a pretty good night. is it a great night or a pretty good night? i mean that. i'm not trying to be facetious. what do you think of 600 tonight? north of. and you feel great. south of. and it's a dog fight. >> we walk in with the delegate lead. we want to walk out with a bigger delegate lead. and i will feel request about
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many scenarios with the bigger lead. you had david plouffe on. he and hillary were fighting over the ma'am. and we'll be fighting to remain the delegates. we'll try to battle it out for as many delegates as we can get. >> i know you've come to ignore it. do you think that president trump's constant attempts on control the democratic primary appears to be helpful messaging to you but in a way that creates division in the party, does that hurt your candidacy? or does it help it? >> i don't see it as helpful message. i see it as trolling the party. they're going to try to steal it from bernie sanders. do you think he cares about bernie sanders? no. he's trying to divide democratic voters. he's trying the pry away some of those voters to his side. he's a con artist. this is what he does.
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he's an entertainment president. instead of focusing on the coronavirus, he's trolling the democratic party. if we get distracted by that, the argument for the best to take him on. he stays pretty disciplined. i don't think he gets enough credit for being a disciplined candidate. watching the last 48 hours, it plays boo what bernie sanders says all the time. the establishment is getting nervous and scared. when you see that kind of force come in for joe biden. as much as it plays into your messaging, okay. it certainly makes your life more difficult. >> the choice was always, whether you want to turn the democratic party into the party of working class. whether you believe status quo is enough. so the litmus test we'll have to
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face over the next few weeks. is beating trump and trump isn't enough, or do we both want to beat trump and transform our merge political and economic system. and that's one of the challenges going force. not only sufficient just to beat him. to beat him, you'll to have have this massive energy, multicultural energy and has the ability to attract people who aren't ordinary voters. something i think joe biden's campaign isn't able to claim. >> elizabeth warren's candidacy right now. do you believe that she helps or hurts your cause? her staying in this cause. she's in michigan today. that's where she wants to give her speech. does she hurt your chances of winning michigan? >> i have a firm philosophy on elizabeth warren's campaign. if the shoe were on the other
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foot, how would you act? i think she has a strong campaign, a lot of supporters and resources, she's built up a very strong campaign over the course of many months. far be it from no dictate or suggest how to run their campaign. that's what i would expect from the other side. we need to make decisions and sgrm judgments. >> an interesting night. i'm sure you're attention to get into your boiler room. frankly, i'm attention to get to our boiler room so thank you for coming and sharing your views. from the other side over here. the democratic senator over here, senator coons, you've been with joe biden from the beginning. do you feel vindicated watching the last 24 hours considering all the epitaphs being written, maybe written too soon about
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your candidate? >> well, that's right. after the first four contests, joe biden has more popular votes handle the any other candidate in this race. i think what we saw in south carolina with his decisive win with the truly significant historic endorsements by so many yesterday and today. joe biden is the candidate who can bring us together. who can restore dignity to the white house. who can make real on donald trump's broken promises to america's middle class and who has the experience and the vision to move us forward. so do i think the early reports of the demise of the biden campaign were pre mature? yes. they came out in droves for him.
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i'm veriment on miss if i can in a half dozen states, we'll see results. >> do you semithe critique of the biden campaign that it has been a bit wanting and he won't sit quietly like did he before? do you think some changes need to be made to get this campaign ready to beat sanders at the convention? >> look. anybody like congressman clyburn who wants to add not just his endorsement but advice and get involved and roll up his sleeves to help this move forward, which he is. there are always ways that it can be tuned up. now that he's ready and raring to go across a whole nationwide scope tonight. the help of congressman clyburn, one of the most senior members of the house, certainly welcome.
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>> do you have a message for bloomberg? >> he's tough will he's brought a lot of resources to advancing progressive causes and a lot of resources to this campaign. my hope is that like klobuchar and buttigieg, if the numbers donal bear out that he has clear and credible path to the nomination, my hope is that he would do the right thing and consider offering support to joe biden. my hope is that will be the result after tonight and we'll have some great opportunities in the days ahead to talk about what working together might seem like. >> do you think after tonight, if it is a two-person convention, it's over? >> the rules is that whoever gets 51% of the delegates on the florida of the convention is who
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is our nominee. how many was it when we started? 22, 25? >> well -- >> now that we're down to a much smaller field, if after tonight and the contests of the next week or two, it really does come down to biden versus sanders, which is where i think we're headed, i agree with you that the convention in milwaukee should be a fairly straightforward exercise and opportunity for the whole democratic party to come together around the candidate who has delivered real results. who doesn't just have that. that's joe biden. >> bernie sanders has said his running mate has to support medicare for all. he said no, no, i'm not going to create a unity ticket. do you think joe biden if he's the nominee needs to reach out to the sanders coalition?
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i think he sxhas will reach out had. that's why it was so decisive and why he'll do so well tonight. he speaks to the moderates, rich and poor, all backgrounds and interests and orientations. he has fought hard for organized labor, for progressive causes and has a real record of affordable quality health care. i think that as he weighs who ought to be his running mate, he'll do so with an eye bringing together everyone in the democratic party. >> senator chris coons, thank you. appreciate it. after the break, more exit numbers ahead. plus the white house coronavirus task force is holding an offcamera briefing right now. we'll get you the headlines from that. the death toll sadly in the u.s. has risen. rinvoq a once-daily pill
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welcome back. an update on the coronavirus across the country. the number of people infected has risen. since january at leaf final states have reported covid-19 cases. washington state remains the hardest hit in the country now with nine deaths reported as of today. this afternoon president trump toured vaccine lab at the national institutes of health. he has suggested a vaccine could be months away though researchers say it is closer to a year out. meantime, researchers testified on capitol hill today. one of the experts testifying, the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases, dr. anthony fauci gave this quote to politico. i don't think we're going to get out of this completely under scathe think. i think this will be one of
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nooooo! welcome back to msnbc's special coverage of super tuesday. we have just over an hour before the first polls close, vermont and virginia. we see you. but we have more as the exit polls are rolling in. all right. give us what we'll be talking about for the next five minutes. we told you, a freedom% black nationally. there are wide var yangss. you saw in south carolina, the black vote went one particular way. we'll see if that happens. if you call this the south,
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oklahoma and all the states. the electorate in these states today collectively is 27% black. if you go next door to texas, 21% black. if you go to california, it is only 7% black. so some big differences there. that's one thing to keep in mind. a very large hispanic population in california. minnesota, massachusetts, single digits in terms of african-americans. so that's one thing to keep in mind. the other is ideology. the moderate conservative wing of the democratic party. a fairly big wing here. we showed you that nationally. there's wide variance. if you look at the southeast, 45% democratic primary voters in these states call themselves moderate or conservative. the number in texas checks if at
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fro. the number in california checks in at 32. the number here in massachusetts and minnesota, back there in the low mid 30s. >> well, you are showing why this is an interesting time zone challenge for the sanders campaign. it feels like biden has good things in the east coast. as we move west, it is better for bernie. >> i think it will come back to california and texas. i always say texas is where california was ideologically about 25 years ago. the folks there, even though they can check off democrat, they're more moderate. so i think biden will take texas and bernie will take california. and we'll see where it lies for the folks who early voted already for the candidates that are out. how does that coalesce?
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>> i have to say, the other part is, we're seeing so much volatility in this last few days. democratic voters were really playing pundit. it seems across the board, tell me who the candidate is supposed to be and i'll vote for that person. >> how many people had their ballot and held on to it? to see what would happen in south carolina? >> california, 60% of the vote. the early voters in california were focus that voted for the first time. the vote for bernie. i was talking to the secretary of state earlier. he said i don't know. a high number california held on to the ballots. do you know who they are? what was the most important thing? it was electability. they wanted to know who could defeat donald trump.
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that's why they wanted to see who could do well on the debate stage. >> do you know what they're saying without saying it? this is to me bernie's challenge for the next three months. they already have it in their heads he can't win. even though he can't win these voters over, he has to convince them, no, no, he's a safe bet, too. >> we'll see how he does. >> another interesting thing. if he performs well, the latino vote across the board, if you look at the states coming up. how do i grow? get into my main competition? what is interesting, you have a lot of puerto rican, cuban, more like california. so if you're biden's campaign, you think how can i grow into that? i think we're going to learn a lot about today. we have to understand. to your point.
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african-american and latino voters differ by state. >> so what if we know what bernie has done. they are angrier than any other. what does biden have to do to excite this electorate the way bernie has excited it? >> one of the things. when biden was in the white house, i have to say that he was one of the few folks that i saw an actual evolution of understanding what they face. they would have to understand. toward the end, how the experience of his irish grand parents, like he understood that. and he understood that's the same barriers that they're facing. he needs to speak tom experience and to the fact the reason latinos are so worried, they're afraid. the level of anxiety is through the roof. the number one issue among latino parents when it comes to
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health for their children is mental health. in texas we must remember. someone jumped into a car to drive ten hours to send a message. in his creed, it was to stave off the mexican invasion and stop it. >> when bernie sanders voted all those years ago against the immigration plan that kennedy, biden and others, would have led to millions more documented people right now. people who could be legal but what he had to face is the anger over the deportation. >> we have another collective exit poll. return to obama, basically, the evolution question. return to obama's policy. become more liberal or be more conservative. basically, you combine the conservative to return to obama. that's 55. more liberal, 38. what that tells me is that's a lot of the south speaking.
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that's a little of california speaking on the liberal side. i think that shows you, if this electorate leans biden on that messaging, where did the electorate get more liberal? >> i think it will get more centrist. i'll be really interested to unpack it. that's a really important proxy. what do they each get? probably closer than not. >> how many states does bernie sanders surpass 40% in? how many states does joe biden surpass 40%? i don't know many places sanders gets north of 40.
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>> vermont in colorado for sanders. >> and bernie won minnesota. >> they were caucuses and this is a primary. the irony that they changed it. >> we'll ask our friends. maybe we'll see what happens at 8:00 when the polls close. we'll be right back. e polls clo. we'll be right back. a safelite r is no cost to you. >> customer: really?! >> singers: safelite repair, safelite replace. officially hitting the us.virus man: the markets are plunging for a second straight day. vo: health experts warn the us is underprepared. managing a crisis is what mike bloomberg does. in the aftermath of 9-11, he steadied and rebuilt america's largest city. oversaw emergency response to natural disasters. upgraded hospital preparedness to manage health crises. and he's funding cutting edge
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well, that's it for "meet the press daily" tonight. i'll see you at 7:00 p.m. eastern. we'll start on nbc news now. virginia and vermont. the polls close there. apple tv, roku, nbc news.com. syrup tuesday coverage starts right now. >> one day, from california to maine, the biggest delegate jackpot yet. biden's land slide victory in south carolina. shaking up the race. the field dramatically narrowed. >> i am delighted to endorse and support joe biden for president. >> i am ending my campaign and
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