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he still dominates the field in how people are enthusiastic and engaging with his message on the internet. certainly not someone to be counted out yet. look for florida, ohio, illinois, michigan, big states coming up. >> thanks, nick. we will be reading axios a.m. in just a little bit. sign up for the newsletter at signup.axios.com. that does it for us, i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside ayman mohyeldin. "morning joe" starts right now. i can think of no one with the integrity, no one more committed to the fundamental principles that make this country what it is that my good friend, my late wife's great friend, joe biden.
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i know joe. we know joe. but most importantly joe knows us. >> you know, mika, you can take the hundreds of millions of dollars, you can take the organizations that all the political pros talk about, you can take the millions of tweets, you can take all the facebook ads, you can take everything that is talked about every day on how to build a winning campaign and all those combined are not as powerful as one man's words. jim clyburn, king maker. >> that was one of the most pivotal moments of the 2020 presidential race so far, the endorsement from south carolina congressman jim clyburn last week helped catapult joe biden to a huge win in south carolina, which then let to a stunning
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super tuesday for the former vice president. biden swept the south, the projected winner in nine states with landslide victories in alabama, virginia, north carolina, arkansas, tennessee and oklahoma. he also won minnesota. he won the delegate rich state of texas and he won elizabeth warren's home state of massachusetts where she came in third behind bernie sanders. sanders won his home state of vermont as well as colorado and utah. sanders is also leading right now in the state with the most delegates, california, but the race is still way too early to call with 50% of the vote in. sanders has 33% to biden's 24. >> and if california is anything like texas, the early votes favored sanders, but just like in texas, biden caught him in the end. we will see if that happens in california. >> the state of maine is too
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close to call with 91% of the vote in, biden leads by 1,700 votes. >> that's a shock as well. >> when it comes to delegates biden is the front runner, 453 to sanders 373. those numbers will be updating throughout the morning. >> and those numbers are stunning as you look at them. it was just a day or two ago that people were expecting joe biden to lose by 200, 300 delegates. nobody, and i mean nobody expected until early in the evening last night that joe biden had a chance to even draw even with bernie sanders by the end of the night on super tuesday, let alone go ahead of him this way. >> along with joe, willie and me we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, former white house press secretary for president obama robert gibbs and host of msnbc "politics nation" and president of the national action network reverend al sharpton. joe, right after he won south carolina, joe biden said if
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you've ever been down and out, if you've ever been down and out this is the campaign for. >> you for good reason. just one week ago joe biden was out of money. his organization was nonexistent. his support among his base, black voters, had dropped to single digits in most polls. his pathway was cluttered by one moderate after another. these candidates standing between him and the nomination. and joe biden was roundly being mocked as a man who had never won a single primary contest despite the fact he had been running for president since 1987. all of that changed in one night. with biden showing extraordinary strength from texas to massachusetts, from alabama to minnesota, and voter turnout in virginia was so massive that by the end of that contest you could see a combination of suburban voters, fed up with donald trump, and black voters
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wanting to believe again that they created a wall of support that i believe this morning, and i think most people who know anything about politics believes that combination now poses an existential threat to donald trump's political future. willie geist, as steve kornacki described it all last night, it was in a word shocking. >> it was absolutely shocking. if you go back, joe, three weeks ago right now we were waking up from new hampshire and all the talk was after a fifth place finish, fifth place finish in new hampshire how does joe biden get out of this race with dignity, a beloved figure in the party, a beloved figure in the party, how does he get out with dignity? now we are waking up this morning as those dominoes fell yesterday beginning in virginia, going down to north carolina, through sec country, tennessee, alabama, as you said, texas, shocker in the state of massachusetts where joe biden wasn't even really playing, where he beat both bernie
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sanders and that state senator elizabeth warren, and then the state of minnesota. amy klobuchar dropping out on monday, quickly backing joe biden. he cleaned up with nine states as you said, california is still out there, it will be interesting to see day of voting as that all comes in and also some of that postmark voting that just was sent out yesterday and mike barnicle, you've known joe biden for a long time. i know even people inside joe biden's campaign thought after new hampshire, yes, let's see what happens in south carolina, we believe that's the place we will do the best, but nobody, nobody, even inside the campaign, saw last night coming. >> absolutely correct. it was incredible. i've never heard of anything like it, i don't think any of us have heard of anything like it. a week ago yesterday joe biden was at 11 points in massachusetts and he won the state last night. clearly as joe alluded to and as we showed the clip, south carolina was resurrection city. >> yes.
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>> and i think what happened is after south carolina and his terrific speech, the remarks that he made after his stunning victory in south carolina, they were repeated again and again on sunday on tv and on monday on tv and what people saw, i think, willie, is humanity. they saw his humanity, they saw the fact that he is a candidate with purpose and they came back to him. i think they were always there, but they came back to him after seeing him. >> joe, if you look at the african-american vote, i know we will dive into some of these numbers, obviously african-american voters saved joe biden in south carolina, but the numbers were even bigger last night. he won 60% of african-american voters in south carolina, but the numbers in places like virginia, 63%, alabama 72%, tennessee 62%, african-american voters and older voters rode to the rescue last night for joe biden. >> you know, there's some people last night trying to suggest -- bernie sanders supporters trying to suggest that those numbers
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for black voters from joe biden were not shocking. they were shocking. again, i go back to that poll a week ago that had bernie sanders within single digits of joe biden even after south carolina people said, yeah, 60%, 56%, that's a pretty good number for joe biden, but that's because of jim clyburn. but those numbers, 62% in virginia, in the 70s in the state of alabama, absolutely stunning. and this turn around, this shocking turn around, you know, i've been thinking all night trying to figure out a time when one candidate's fortunes changed over the course of three days as much as joe biden's did and i just can't think of anybody. you would have to go back to harry truman in 1948 and the shocking dewy beats truman election to think of a parallel where americans woke up one morning shocked by the results. yes, donald trump shocked the political world but that was
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coming. you could see that coming ten days out as he got closer and closer after the comey letter. this shocking result over the course of three days is like nothing we have seen in modern american politics and, reverend al, it's because of jim clyburn and it's because of black voters across the deep south that kept this campaign alive when everybody else, everybody else considered it dead. >> no doubt about it. when you look at what happened last night, even those of you that felt that he was being underestimated with black voters were stunned at hoe overwhelmingly he was supported. and you have to give a lot of credit to jim clyburn who has so much respect. i think that probably john lewis and clyburn and the late great elijah cummings is the one that transcends even age lines in terms of respect in the
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political culture of the black community. the other thing you have to keep in mind is that people felt -- i heard it over and over again, i heard it in selma where joe biden and i spoke on sunday at brown chapel, people said joe biden stood by barack obama. he stood by our guy, we're going to stand by him. and there is an identity there in our community where we feel we've been counted out just because you count a guy out it doesn't mean the fight is over. and the cultural identity, i keep saying a lot of the latte liberals are disconnected from the base of the democratic party which is the african-american voters which is they care about how their kids are going to go to school, they care about bread and butter issues, this he care about criminal justice and a lot of the latte liberals are so intellectual as we say in church they are so heavily bound in no earthly good. >> rev, you and i have been
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talking about this through the entire election process, i will say it again, there are two wings of the democratic party, there always has been. there's been the bill clinton wing of the democratic party that did well with working class white voters, working class black voters, did well in black churches and then there was the bill bradley and we will just say the mayor pete side of the party that did very well with intellectuals, did very well with white voters on the upper east side, did very well this college towns. this year for some reason joe biden was the only candidate on the bill clinton side of the democratic party, the other 20 candidates were on the bill bradley mayor pete side of the party. we've been saying it for weeks. >> absolutely. >> you can't win the nomination from that wing of the democratic party. actually, we've been saying it for about the last six months. you just can't do it. yes, you look good in iowa, you look good in new hampshire, but what are you going to do in
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south carolina? what are you going to do in alabama? what are you going to do in north carolina? and we saw it again which begs the question again, we've got to get to kornacki the big board, but, reverend al, this is an important time for us to underline again what you and i have been saying for over a year now, it is a disgrace that the democratic party starts their contests in two overwhelmingly white states, in iowa and new hampshire. they wasted two years of everybody's time. they should have started in south carolina, they should have started in a state that represented the demographic breakdown and the importance of the black voters to the democratic party. >> and if they had they wouldn't have been as stunned as we all were last night and i think last night was a case in point as to why they have to change how we go into this primary season. the other part of that that you and i discussed right on this
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show is no one noticed even in nevada, bernie lost the black vote. that should have been a tap on people's shoulder that, wait a minute, there is a problem in the sanders campaign and had he listened to some of his people that i think were trying to guide him right, nina turner and others, they need to invest more. now, it's not too late, you still have michigan and other things, we shouldn't pop the corks for those with biden yet, but this was a real gush of cold water in their face and i think that people need to wake up and you need to watch the fact that donald trump is going to try to chip away at the black vote because he understands that and you've got to have someone that knows how to counter that and knows how to relate to those voters and bring them out as biden showed he could last night. >> and donald trump believes he can get over 20% of the black vote, unlike any other republican, they are focusing on it ma niekly every single day.
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if it's up against a bernie sanders or somebody from the wing of the party that does not actually know how to connect with black voters nationwide, donald trump may get that percentage point. robert gibbs, let's talk about what else we learned last night, something you've known all along, twitter does not represent the mainstream of the democratic party and there have been candidates over the past year and a half that have freaked out when somebody posted something negative about them on twitter. they should have just closed their phones, deleted their twitter account and listened to the voters because barack obama actually was the target of attacks through the first two to three debates. i really do think at the end of the day that finished off more people's campaign than anybody else. that somehow barack obama was a conservative sellout on health care reform, that somehow barack obama was a conservative sellout on immigration. i even heard somebody last night on another network say barack obama is the past. we don't need to look to the
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past, we need to look to the future. you know what, after the last four years of donald trump maybe we need to go back to square one with the obama administration and then move forward from there instead of trashing barack obama. >> undoubtedly. he is a hugely popular figure obviously still in the party and will be for a long time and i think you saw remnants of the coalition that he put together. not just the strong african-american vote that you and reverend sharpton just talked about, but especially in places like virginia, north carolina, adding those suburban voters in fairfax county, wake county in north carolina, outside of charlotte, is a powerful combination in a way that we just haven't seen put together in this race. look, i think in the end -- >> robert, can you believe the numbers in suburban d.c.? they were extraordinary. they surpassed four years ago. >> yeah. >> they even easily surpassed eight years ago with barack
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obama. it was those suburban voters, a lot of democrats, but a lot of independents and a lot of former republicans that i know that said to hell with this party, i'm voting democratic. >> and really important constituencies in two really important swing states that could signal an interesting shift for a general election. look, if that's a coalition that can be replicated and it likely can be in these upcoming races, i mean, look, the challenge that sanders has i think are several. i don't think the party is ready for a revolution. they want a winner. they don't want a revolution. eight of the next 11 contests that take us through march are states that bernie sanders didn't win in 2016. so there is -- and the sanders campaign is -- yes, younger voters are voting for him, but they are not voting for him in historic numbers. there is a narrative problem, there is a coalition problem that just quite frankly for bernie sanders right now isn't
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broad enough to win this nomination and that campaign has got to retool how it goes after voters starting today. >> all right. let's come on over to the big board, i'm joined here by steve kornacki. we were watching last night, hanging on your every word. i don't see you genuinely shocked very often but at one point when these states started rolling through the south by such margins you did say this was shocking. this is a delegate game. the number of states was impressive last night but yesterday morning a lot of the speculation was can joe biden keep the delegate margin under 100 trailing bernie sanders by 100, will it be 150, a different story as we wake up this morning. >> we should say this is the current count allocated by nbc news. there are still hundreds of delegates even in these states that have been called, places like tennessee, north carolina, you still have got delegates that biden is going to squeeze out of those states, you still have dozens in some cases and you still have california out there, but the picture is coming into focus. biden is going to make that 15% threshold in california.
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that was the only outstanding question. with that in mind and everything we're seeing here even if biden ends up absorbing a 20 point loss in california and it's not looking like it's going to be 20 but even if he does i think you're looking at a scenario where joe biden ends the night ahead of bernie sanders by about 30 delegates. that's the conservative end of things right now. biden will be ahead. this was supposed to be sanders big night. this was supposed to be the night that and is aers ran up a margin of 350, 300 delegates out of california, supposed to be the night that sanders won texas, won it by double digits, a big delegate haul there, something big out of colorado, he did win that. it was supposed to be the night where he drew even across the southeast, maybe one in north carolina, maybe one in virginia. he lost virginia by 30. hoping to beat elizabeth warren in massachusetts, shut joe biden out of delegates, instead joe biden wins massachusetts. he was hoping to win minnesota, joe biden won minnesota. coast to coast here this is a night for joe biden.
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this was supposed to be the sanders delegate night. when you look at all those patterns you guys were talking about demographically and what comes next you can just see it, next week we are going to be in mississippi. if you look at what happened next door in alabama, if you look what's happening with the black vote all around the south, mississippi is not a big state but mississippi can be a big delegate state for joe biden. if he's getting the margins we're seeing all throughout the south in a state like mississippi he could net over sanders we're going to say 30 delegates just out of mississippi. michigan is the big state that's up next week, we will all be talking about michigan. there's 125 delegates. let's say sanders wins but it's a close race. sanders will net 5, 10 delegates. by what we're seeing demographically is sanders is due to take huge hits in the south. in mississippi, georgia, louisiana and in florida. his polling has been terrible in florida. if he is in an even race delegate wise right now or down a little bit look at the hits that he is about to absorb,
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where can he make up for them on this map, and that coalition we're describing, very hard to see that at this point. >> biden has huge margins of older voters, that will come into play in florida. turnout, in the state of virginia double in 2016 and greater than 2008 where you had barack obama and hillary clinton on the ballot. did we see that play out across the country. >> we saw a few places this is the most dramatic. you have vote totals there, 1.3 million and change and, again, look, in 2016 it was 782,000 from there to 1.3 million. fairfax county this is the d.c. suburbs everyone was talking about here, this is the biggest count joe in the state, this was a big win for biden. turnout was up here 100,000. 100,000 people. it helps not having a real republican primary there in virginia, but that also speaks to everything we've been talking about in politics since 2018. those blue wave suburbanites.
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>> president trump tweeted attacks at mike bloomberg and senator elizabeth warren yesterday, mocking them for their poor super tuesday results, but his campaign is focused on biden. releasing a statement that tried to downplay biden's momentum saying, quote, everyone should remember that he's just a terrible candidate right now as he was a few days ago. and that establishment democrats, quote, ganged up to deny bernie sanders the nomination. the statement ends with attempting to tether the democrats to sanders' policies, quote, even if bernie is not on november's ballot, his big government socialist ideas will be because they've become mainstream in today's democratic party. didn't see that last night. let's bring in white house reporter for the associated press for more on this, jonathan lemire. jonathan? >> good morning, mika and joe. the president is down right
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gleeful about mike bloomberg falling so short, pardon the pun, not to reference his mini mike jokes yesterday. the president has been fixated on bloomberg, he has told people around him one of his favorite moments of the year was how poorly bloomberg did in that first debate and there is a sense around here that plume berg perhaps will not be long for the race. yes, the fixation -- the primary focus for this president has been joe biden all along. let's remember donald trump got impeached trying to damage the political fortunes of joe biden. he's always seen the former vice president as the biggest threat to him, the white working class voters who backed perhaps barack obama in 2008 and 2012 but switched to donald trump in 2016. this president feels that biden is the biggest threat among the democrats to sort of steal them back. so that is something they are watching with some concern the biden come back, although the president according to our reporting is privately suggesting that he feels very good about his chances against biden in a debate, say.
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and as far as bernie sanders, he continues to sort of try to sow discontent among the democrats, lean into the idea that the process is rigged, trying to alienate those liberal voters, young voters perhaps who would come out for bernie but then stay home if anyone else is the democratic nominee in 2016. >> all right. jonathan lemire, why don't you pop into a studio and we will have you on next hour inside. thanks very much. >> i was just going to say, you know, it's very interesting that he has been -- willie, donald trump has been petrified of joe biden. we saw last night why. >> obsessed. >> a combination of suburban voters, a massive suburban voter turnout. we know so much of that is driven by anti-trump sentiment, also the high number of black voters. as robert said it looks like joe biden may be starting to piece together that unbeatable obama coalition again. that's the last thing donald trump wants to go up against.
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but as far as mike bloomberg goes, let's talk about mike bloomberg for a second. mike bloomberg had told everybody that he wasn't going to run for president this year. when joe biden started slipping and it looked like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders were going to be the democrats, plume berg told all of his friends, all of his associates that donald trump had to be beaten. so he jumped into the race late and, you know, last night, willie, what bloomberg's team said was the same thing, mike bloomberg's goal from the beginning has been to make sure that donald trump is not reelected and that's exactly what he's going to do. those are ominous words for donald trump because this is a man who i suspect will get out of the race, perhaps today or tomorrow, and he will spend his money instead of on, you know, 500 foot yachts, instead of on mansions and palaces across the world, he's going to spend his
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money trying to beat donald trump and that's something that scares the hell out of donald. >> people around the bloomberg campaign call mike bloomberg a rational actor and by that they mean if he wakes up the day after super tuesday and here we are now with no chance to win the nomination, he's not going to continue as a candidate, but as you say, he will continue with his money, set up a super pac, third party groups, gun groups, whatever he needs to do to take down donald trump. you have a nominee either joe biden or bernie sanders and mike bloomberg sort of running a parallel campaign to help them and to go after donald trump. as you say, we may see that today even from michael bloomberg. steve is back with me at the board here. steve, let's look at bernie sanders' future here. we talked about joe biden's future. state of minnesota could be something like a can a nary in a coal mine for bernie as he looks ahead to states like washington who switched from caucuses to primary. >> i think that sounds like a
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technical thing i think that's actually a really big deal. with biden taking a delegate lead here, we went through the math, there are states where it looks like biden will get big delegate margins, if you're sanders you have to find states where you can match them. if biden gets a big win in georgia you have to find a state where you can get a big win. minnesota is the kind of state his campaign prior to yesterday was pointing to. in 2016 in the caucuses in minnesota sanders got 62% in minnesota. big margin, pretty big state. yesterday, though, sanders sitting at 30. minnesota switched from a caucus to a primary. participation, look at that, well over hundreds of thousands of people there. this dwarfs anything you're going to see in a caucus. all of a sudden biden is winning this thing almost ten points. take us to next week. next week mississippi, for instance, setting up so well for biden. the sanders campaign is saying take a look out at washington state. washington state was a big sanders state in 2016. washington state was also a
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caucus state and if minnesota tells you something, if it's a harbinger at all it's big wins in big caucus states for sanders may not translate into big wins in big primary states. if he can't find big wins in big primary states that makes the advantage that biden is establishing especially in this neck of the woods, especially in this neck of the woods, you have to find something new, you have to find voters you haven't attracted in four years. >> there was so much talk after new hampshire, steve, and you heard it, too, will we wake up the morning after super tuesday and see bernie sanders with an insurmountable lead based on what was going to happen in texas and california. let me put it to you another way, i won't ask your opinion, but based on the data is it going to be tough now to catch bernie sanders. >> catch joe biden. >> catch joe biden. >> it's tough with the coalition that clearly established for bernie sanders. i mean, i would put it this way, when sanders won nevada two weeks ago, i can't even count the days anymore, i think what the expectation was at that point was that there would be a
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bandwagon effect and groups of voters who sanders had struggled with would slowly start to get on board, he would win some more, they would get on board some more, a pattern we have seen a lot in the past. south carolina put an abrupt and immediate halt to that. if you looked at sanders' black support in south carolina his number liked basically identical to four years ago. his campaign said at the end of 2016 they recognized it getting blown out among black voters in 2016 is the reason he fell 3 million votes behind hillary clinton nationally. they spent four years trying to address that problem, trying to make south carolina not the disaster it was in 2016. it was every bit the disaster in 2020 for sanders as it was in 2016. the entire southeast last night was every bit the disaster for him it was in 2016. he has a big problem with older voters, 45 plus, especially 60 plus, it was there in '16, you see it in every state we are looking at last night. you see the same problems. you look at this map unless that changes, unless all of a sudden bernie sanders is getting 30, 40
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percent more, 40, 50 percent of the black vote, unless suddenly after four years he's making inroads in older voters the demographic patterns that seem set in here given the biden delegate advantage it gets tough to find. >> joe, bernie sanders needed to expand his base from 2016 obviously and last night he lost the black vote by 40 to 50 points in some of those southern states. >> and he worked hard over the past four years trying to do that. it just didn't happen last night. mike, willie was talking about new hampshire and let's talk about this on a personal level. you've known joe biden for a very long time, i've known him for quite some time as well and anytime we are together, let's just say there is never any silence. talking, laughing, joking, but when he came on set in new hampshire the morning of the primary, when his political
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obituaries were already being written, it was striking that for the first time that you had known him and i had known him, we exchanged a few pleasantries and then he just sat down and we said nothing because what do you say at a man's political wake? and that was, after all, what people were calling new hampshire. and here we find ourselves you see biden last night, we find ourselves with one more example of joe biden getting knocked down, pulling himself back up to his feet and fighting back like hell. it's an extraordinary trait not just politically, but personally and this man has done it more in his lifetime than any other politician i have ever known. >> well, joe, i mean, you just summed up his life in just that brief analysis of new hampshire and his mood that day and the reaction to his candidacy back
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then in new hampshire. yes, indeed, people were writing him off. but joe is joe. he does get up off the mat. he has done it repeatedly throughout his life. again, harkening back to south carolina, i think one of the big things that people saw who were on the fence about joe given his losses in iowa and in new hampshire was the first thing they saw quite visibly, quite emotionally on television, which is like a national mri, they saw humanity and it's been missing in the oval office since january 20th, 2017, and they saw empathy and they saw a person that they remembered that they liked and believed in and that's the person they saw last night and i think across the country what happened yesterday, joe, you know this better than anybody, you've been on the ballot, politics is a people business at its root and i think you saw hundreds and thousands of people coming out coast to coast, democrats, and one thing ruled
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above all, they are not willing to roll the dice on the future of this country by wasting a vote. >> that's right. >> they want to win. they want someone who can beat donald trump and i think many of them feel strongly now that in joe biden they have that candidate. >> and when people go and they vote, mika, they don't calculate. most voters that i met over my four campaigns for congress, they don't -- they don't calculate, they don't go in there and try to figure out if i vote for candidate a how will that impact candidate b? they go in and it's a gut instinct. they go with their gut who understands me and who do i understand? who is going to fight for me? there is no doubt that, again, he didn't have money, he didn't have organization, he didn't have much on his side at all,
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just a few days ago the press and the pundits had declared the campaign dead, and then came south carolina and they had something to say about it. we're told, well, when you get
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to super tuesday it may be over. well, it may be over for the other guy. so i'm here to report we are very much alive. and make no mistake about it, this campaign will send donald trump packing. >> wow. let's bring in historian, author of the soul of america and rodgers professor of the presidency at vanderbilt university jon meachum, he is an nbc news and msnbc contributor. joe, i think we saw a little bit of the soul of america last night. >> that we did. >> jon meachum, this was a historic political turn around, a first rate drama complete with everything save maybe the dewy beats truman chicago tribune head line. what an extraordinary turn around in the course of three or
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four days. >> when was the last time alabama and massachusetts agreed on anything? >> right. >> is one way of looking at this. we've been talking about my region and the line from the atlantic over, but minnesota, massachusetts, upper south and a deep south state, it was an amazing run. and i think the message was that the country is, in fact, both hungry for and now in sight of a stabilizing force. we spent five years on this terrible constitutional tilt-a-whirl where everybody is exhausted by a president who veers from unthinkable to unthinkable to unthinkable and vice president biden, whatever his faults, he is as you and mike were saying the most human
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of people. whatever one can say about him, he is a genuine and empathetic figure who is much more part of the vernacular of presidential leadership. he is a coherent reply of the american people to say, who do we want to be president? joe biden is an answer that makes sense historically, more so -- far more so than the incumbent and given the ideological and philosophical positions of senator sanders, biden is historically the more rational choice. you can disagree with me and people will get all upset about that, but that's just a historical fact. we tend to elect people like joe biden more so than people who are farther to the extremes of either side. >> and that has been his case, right, american doesn't want a revolution right now, they want to stabilize after the trump years. jon, i first want to say
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thinking about all of you down in nashville after the tornado last night. i know it's been awful for a lot of people down there including loss of life. let's talk about the south last night more broadly because it started sort of in acc country if you want to put it in sports terms, virginia, north carolina, came down through the sec, right, we got alabama, we've got tennessee and then went over to the big 12 with oklahoma and texas. african-american vote obviously leading the way, older voters leading the way as well for joe biden's wins in all of those states, but can you talk about tennessee specifically if you want, but more broadly what's going on in the south right now, the mood of the south. >> it's, i think -- the hope of defeating donald trump lies with getting -- and i don't know what the percentage is, kornacki has forgotten more about this than i know or any of us know, but you need a certain percentage of people who simply would not vote for secretary clinton for a variety of reasons, fair or
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unfair, to come back to the democratic party or republicans who were republicans in a pre trump world. part of what's happening i think and this may or may not be represented in the exact democratic results because those are people, even though they're open primaries, those are folks voting in a specific partisan contest, but i think all of us know in terms of common sense and i know lots of people here in tennessee who are not lib val democrats to say the least. when i say i have conservative friends in tennessee that's redundant, right? demographic clee you have to. there's no other choice. and yet until the last ten days or so they loved the way the dow was going, they were fine with the judges. they don't like the unconstitutional ukrainian
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campaign back room deals. they hate the way the president speaks. they hate the way he behaves, but in the absence of a compelling and dare i say it safe alternative, they were going to end up voting again for this guy. biden -- i know this is true in the upper south -- biden is the one figure here who might get 10, 12, 15 percent of what i would think of as bush, mccain, romney republicans to say i'm going to vote across the aisle because, let's be honest, joe biden right now looks a lot more like a bush, a mccain or a romney than anybody else on the stage, which is kind of a remarkable thing. >> well, he is the clearest contrast to donald trump on so many levels. jon meachum, to your point, biden provides an option for voters who maybe voted for trump
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but are a little bit disillusioned and want an option, that would be biden. robert gibbs, looking at the results from last night, if you were elizabeth warren's campaign manager or mike bloomberg's campaign manager, what are you saying to your candidate? >> you would have to look at the map and you would have to look at what's happened an think there really aren't viable paths to go forward. look, each candidate has to make their own decision in this and i think each of the campaigns for the most part have been pretty studious in not trying to push one way or the other candidates out of this race, but it is really hard to see mike bloomberg just wasn't viable in enough places and i think if you look at elizabeth warren's campaign, it's hard to win the nomination from third place, it's even more difficult if that third place happens in your own home state. so i think they're going to have some reassessing to do. they're all going to tell us that they're going to go forward until they're not. so i think there will be some
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period of reassessment and trying to figure out does it make sense to go forward. >> that's a good question. i mean, at this point, jon meachum, these are candidacies that for elizabeth warren was really focused on her message and there was a moment during the campaign where things just started to go south when she actually talked about how to pay for her programs. and for bloomberg this whole thing was to perhaps, i think, go against bernie sanders because it looked like joe biden was faltering. he is not faltering this morning. >> i think it's accurate to say that mayor bloomberg decided to get in during that period when warren was surging and biden was fading. the idea was that there was -- that the nominee would be too far left. that rationale is disappearing. it may not disappear all
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together. one of the things we've learned anew yet again in the last six or seven days is that our capacity to predict is miserable and indeed nonexistent in many ways. william goldman, you know, famously said that the key to hollywood was knowing that no one knows anything and i think we should apply that to what we do. but there are certain perennial and infrastructural forces and right now the choice does seem to be between a more radical departure from the basic gist of american politics are senator sanders or a kind of restoration of a coherent conversation that didn't always work for everybody. right? there is a reason donald trump is president and bernie sanders is this popular. right? i mean, it's not that -- and,
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you know, people who frankly look us and talk like us can appear sentimental and nostalgic and if we are all going to the brookings institution picnic and all of that, and that's -- there is a reason we're in this political equivalent of climate change where it's 20 degrees one day and it's 80 degrees the other. the system does not work for enough people. but one of the distorting effects of the trump presidency has been that people are willing to seemingly postpone radical change just to get our bearings again. i think that's what's unfolding. it could change again, but the reality right now is that joe biden looks like a president, he looks like somebody you would want to live with for four years and people are so exhausted by the trump drama that they're willing to make that bet. >> you know, jon, just one note,
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you can mark it off your to-do list, the brookings institute picnic was last week. >> oh, damn. >> maybe your invitation got lost in the mail. >> i missed it. >> i don't know, you may want to call. >> mika made the pimento cheese for it, didn't she? >> she did. it was the bar recipe for the pimento cheese. >> long running semi-inside joke. >> willie, let's talk -- two other notes here about -- i want to talk about elizabeth warren and mike bloomberg for a second. there are just a couple of notes that we need to take note of. first is it's hard to look at these results last night and seeing michael bloomberg and elizabeth warren underperforming and not go back to those two debates where elizabeth warren was a laser focus on michael bloomberg. she was this year's equivalent
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of chris christie going after marco rubio. sure, chris christie took marco rubio out of the race but i don't know that it helped his cause, either. after the first debate where elizabeth warren was not only attacking mike bloomberg but everybody else on the stage, i had commented that she had taken a blow torch to all the other candidates and was going to damage them, but it could damage her as well. of course some people said how dare you say that about a woman. i say that about anybody. if you are on a debate stage politics is about the friend-making business. what i always told my staff was, guess what, we can pick one fight at a time. this is not how donald trump does it. i always said pick one fight at a time. do not tell me to go after this person and that. we do not fight two or three-front wars because then it looks like we're just fighting everybody. again, i do think that -- i do think that the debate strategy hurt elizabeth warren. i think it hurt michael
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bloomberg as well. at the same time elizabeth warren as we've said time and time again ran an extraordinary campaign. i do hate to see the results last night turning out quite the way they did for her. this is just personal. i would have liked to have seen her do better than she did. but on bloomberg, on the am unfront, there are going to be a lot of snarky columns about michael bloomberg today. it's important to remember, again, bloomberg didn't want to run, had told everybody he wasn't going to run and what seemed like the socialist as he saw it were taking over the party and biden was faltering and in fourth and fifth place in a lot of the early important states, he decided he had no choice but to run. and he spent a ton of money. now, we are going to be hearing that he wasted a lot of money by running all of those ads. i just want to gently remind everybody that want to write that article today, 95% of the
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content in those ads were focused on donald trump's failings. the only part of those ads for the most part that talked about and focused on michael bloomberg were at the end where he goes, michael get it done, and then they show a picture of him smiling and waving and that's it. has he wasted his money? no, michael bloomberg doesn't waste money. he just doesn't. he is focused on defeating donald trump. that's the only thing he's been focused on and that focus will remain after this campaign ends. i just wanted to say that because those snarky articles that are saying he wasted his money, they're missing the bigger point. bloomberg got more punches, political punches in on donald trump, willie, than anybody else in this race so far. >> and, by the way, they will continue. if he gets out of the race today or next week or some other time they are not going anywhere, they're just going to take mike 2020 off the end of that ad and take off the picture of his
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smiling face. he has pledged, said he will support whatever candidate, whatever the nominee is in his own way running those ads, spending all that money, but he was -- in fact, on paper he was the savior, the centrist savior, but campaigns are not run on paper. as he stepped out from behind that curtain on the stage elizabeth warren turned and gave him the equivalent of an upper cut and he staggered and i don't think he ever recovered from that. but he will be -- i know he is back in new york city this morning talking to his advisers, they will assess whether there is a path forward, it doesn't particularly look like there is one this morning after the results last night where he took only american samoa, but if he gets out of the race in the next few days or the next week he is not going anywhere in terms of his money and in terms of his influence. mike bloomberg will have a hand in the outcome of this election. >> and, by the way, if there's six people in the debate, mika, we talked about this last night and elizabeth warren or any other really effective debater decides what they're going to do
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that night is take one candidate down, i've got news for you, whoever that candidate is, they're going to be badly damaged. that was her goal and she succeeded in that goal. >> all right. jon meachum, thank you very much. we want to get to the latest on the deadly coronavirus as two more people who died last week in seattle have now been confirmed to have contracted the virus. that brings the united states death toll and washington state's to nine people. new york city has confirmed its second case of the outbreak leading to a closure of a bronx private school. the patient is from new rochelle and is in serious condition. yesterday vice president pence said that the cdc would be removing all restrictions on testing for the virus, telling reporters we will issue new guidance from the cdc that will make it clear that any american can be tested, no restrictions, subject to doctor's orders. 132 cases have been confirmed in
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the u.s. so far. president trump also said yesterday that he is considering putting further restrictions on international travel, but not on domestic. telling reporters we are looking at other countries and we're being very stringent. globally over 93,000 cases and over 3,100 deaths have been confirmed and according to the world health organization the mortality rate of the virus also rose yesterday to 3.4%. that's up from the previously estimated 2%. so let's get the very latest on all of this and break it down. joining us now, infectious diseases physician dr. badelia. doctor, i think it's important to sort of clarify the amount of fear and concern people should feel, like, for example, this case in new york the man who was 50, he was diagnosed in new rochelle -- no, he became
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symptomatic in new rochelle, new york, went to lawrence hospital in bronxville several miles away, he was treated there, then he was sent to a hospital in new york city where i believe, if i have it correctly, he was actually diagnosed in new york city. so he's been exposed in a number of different ways, he was working at a law firm in new york city, the law firm is near grand central station, he has four kids, they go to three separate schools. how do you contain a virus like that trying to trace the steps of someone who has been symptomatic in several places at least? >> thank you for having me. i think that's important. you know, because people are going to start hearing of even more cases than what we're seeing today, seen so far, because we are increasing our ability to test. everybody agrees there might be case that is we haven't yet diagnosed. when they hear there was a wonderful -- when people contact me what i tell them is what the surgeon had said a few days ago is that people need to be cautious but not afraid. so the distinction and the
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people are sort of getting confused about is why is everybody so wore yesterday if we're being told not to be concerned. i kind of want to tease that out a little bit. what we know about this disease is that 80% of the people who get infected with it actually have pretty mild, you know, symptoms. so most healthy americans who might come across this disease and chances are pretty low still even if there are more cases than we expect there to be that you will come across this, but there is a smaller portion of that which is about 14% that we think might be a little sicker. if that's the case they might require hospital fwlags and require sort of more medical care. for the healthy american the direct health impact is going to be quite mild. the kind of things that we might see that might affect people's lives are, you know, if you get sick you might have to call out from work. if there are school closures there might be difficulties there because you might have to keep kids at home that and that
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has its own impacts. for the smaller percentage who get sick the reason that i think a lot of public health folks are concerned and doctors and nurses are concerned is that we have pretty busy hospitals, you know, particularly in new york city and new rochelle, you see a lot of folks who are already coming in because we have a pretty severe influenza season right now. people are expecting that if this epidemic grows that we might see the folks who get sicker and generally these are folks that are older, who may have other medical conditions, who might need this care. so that's where the major concern is. >> so, doctor, can you help us out here? we had reports that of course now the vice president is saying that these tests can be given to anybody with doctor's permission, but i'm just wondering why south korea was testing 10,000 of their citizens per day, france testing just about as many of their citizens
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per day, while in the united states as of yesterday we had only tested 500 people. what's taken so long and how high will we see the coronavirus number rise once we started a sterg 10,000 tests a day? >> so-so for the first part of that i think part of the issues had been that the kit that was deployed by the cdc there was concern that there might be some issues with accuracy and so the redeployment has now occurred and my understanding is most states are on their way or already have this ability. i think the next step is going to be moving that even closer, not just at the state level but making that available at the hospitals. the closer you bring it to the patient bedside the more quickly you can identify patients and separate them from everybody else who might be in the hospital. how high could this go? i think this just very much depends on, you know, a lot of conditions, how good are we at
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mitigating the spread of this. this is where i think the general public can help. the way that we stop this virus is similar to the way that we stop other respiratory viruses that are circulating, good hand hygiene, ensuring you keep a distance from someone who is sick, ensuring you clean areas that have a lot of people -- that a lot of people are touching and ensuring you disinfect that in a thorough way. >> doctor, thank you so much for being on this morning. we will be updating this often and we have much more on yesterday's shock to the political world. john heilemann, claire mccaskill, eugene robinson will be our guests. we're back in 90 seconds. robins be our guests. we're back in 90 seconds i'm embarrassed to even say i felt like i was going to spend my whole adult life paying this off thanks to sofi, i can see the light at the end of the tunnel as of 12pm today, i am debt free ♪
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and then i did robocalls into tennessee, into alabama, arkansas and north carolina.
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and so i feel that people got the message. that was congressman jim clyburn of south carolina on msnbc last night reacting to joe biden's big win last night and the role he played not only in his home state, but across the south. biden swept the south, the projected winner in nine states with landslide victories in alabama, virginia, north carolina, arkansas, tennessee and oklahoma. he also won minnesota, the delegate rich state of texas and elizabeth warren's home state of massachusetts where she came in third behind bernie sanders. sanders won his home state of vermont as well as colorado and utah. he's also leading right now in the state with the most delegates, california, but the race is still too early to call with 51% of the vote in, sanders has 33% to biden's 24.
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the state of maine is too close to call with 91% of the vote in, biden leads by about 1700 votes. when it comes to delegates, biden is now the front runner, 453 to sanders' 373. along with joe, willie and me we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemire, msnbc national affairs analyst, co-host of "the circus" and editor in chief of the recount john heilemann and associate editor of the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. joe, you heard jim clyburn saying he wanted to create a surge. do you think he did it? >> he created a surge. i mean, he is a one-minute rip tide. >> wow. >> you know, we always heard about back room deals, we heard about, you know, these
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smoke-filled rooms where two or three people had the power to sway an entire party. that's just nonexistent these days or at least we thought it was. we saw harry reid in nevada, harry reid one of the few people that was actually able to make a difference in a state. jim clyburn is another. obviously his endorsement in south carolina made all the difference in the world. not only in south carolina, but also it did propel joe biden to an extraordinary super tuesday. willie, this is a campaign that just four days ago was out of money, pundits said it was out of time, he had a scattered organization, if any organization at all. no organization, no hope, and yet we wake up this morning and if you dig through the numbers this guy has the best chance of any democrat since barack obama
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left washington, d.c. four years ago, has the best chance of reassembling the obama coalition. the numbers in northern virginia in the suburbs staggering. the number of independents and former republicans coming over along with motivated democrats, going out to vote just in one populous county alone in northern virginia exceeded by 100,000 the number of people who voted in the democratic primary four years ago. black voters coming out in record numbers for supporting joe biden, again, in a way they just didn't four years ago and, yes, he did will in south carolina in the '50s among black voters but nobody expected him to get into the 60s in virginia, the 70s in alabama. this is, again, the beginning of the rebuildings of obama coalition if joe biden can follow up this historic night
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with a good political campaign. >> yeah, the race completely turned on its head, joe. joe biden's super tuesday victories thanks as you said in part to his support among black voters in a number of states. let's look at these extraordinary numbers, african-american voters the key voting group for biden fueling his victory in north carolina were more than 60% of voters backed him. this was also true in virginia where 63% of african-american voters said they voted for biden, 62% of tennessee's black voters casting ballots for joe biden. in alabama 72% of black voters went for joe biden. on the whole biden claimed a significant portion of the african-american vote in southern states where nearly two-thirds voted for him yesterday. gene robinson, let's go back to that inflection point a week ago which is jim clyburn's endorsement. remember where the race was at that point. joe biden had been embarrassed in iowa, embarrassed in new
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hampshire, he had lost in the state of nevada by 26 points or something like that. it wasn't an obvious thing necessarily for jim clyburn to do, a lot of people expected it, but it wasn't the most obvious thing for him to do. >> no, it wasn't. >> and out he came and also he spoke last night on our air about giving joe biden not just an endorsement but a pep talk saying, hey, man, go out there and be the guy we all know. speak to the emotions, speak to the fears of this country, go out there and you will win the votes and, boy, did it turn out last night. >> he did. it could not have been more perfectly timed what jim clyburn did and the way he did it. he did it -- he made an emotional appeal to voters in south carolina who were like voters around -- you know, democrats around the country who were confused, who wondered, you know, does biden still have it? is he the guy? they were looking around, not seeing a lot else that they like and clyburn said, no, biden is
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the guy. south carolina voters, especially african-american voters, but also white suburban voters in south carolina responded to jim clyburn who is the most powerful democrat in the state and in the south and one of the most powerful in the country. they responded to him and that did create thisave in the southeast that is just incredible. not just the southeast but, you know, it had a huge impact in texas and we will wait to see what the late breaking vote in california looks like. i think bernie sanders is ultimately going to win california, but if you had said two weeks ago that after super tuesday joe biden would have a delegate lead, that's just -- you know, you would have been crazy. you would have clinically been crazy if you had said that and it's true. >> forget two weeks ago, it was 24 hours hours ago the question
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was what was the margin that joe biden could keep close enough to bernie sanders behind bernie sanders to stay in this race. that was 24 hours ago. now joe biden has gone out with the help of african-american voters, white suburban voters, older voters and turned this race on its head. >> yesterday people were saying that joe biden if he could keep it within 150 delegates. >> right. >> if he could only be behind by 150 delegates behind bernie sanders he could still watch up because of mississippi, because of georgia, because of florida, because of these other states where he's going to rack up we assume massive victories. talking about jim clyburn, my reporting tells me that was not a done deal. in fact, before the first debate jim clyburn was really moving towards endorsing mike bloomberg. after that debate he took a step back, said he was going to wait until after the second debate.
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after the second debate he decided for sure. he told friends before that debate he was going to go ahead and endorse biden, but after the debate he knew that was the right decision to make and he made it. so a lot of times we say these debates don't matter. they do matter. history often turns on such inflection points and they did again this year. biden had a couple of good debate performances by his standards and that did give jim clyburn the confidence to know that joe biden could go all the way. so, john heilemann, yesterday, last night we were talking, you sent me some information that one network had concluded that joe biden might even be ahead in delegates by the end of the night. i had to reread it a few times because i thought it was an error, but they talked about a
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historic turning of the electorate toward joe biden in a way that nobody had seen in modern american politics. i will be darned if that's not exactly what happened last night. can you put into perspective this historic night? >> yeah, i think, joe, you mentioned yesterday that people were saying that if the margin was 150 pledged delegates with sanders ahead that that would be a good night for joe biden. i said that and i said it because that's what the people in joe biden's campaign were saying privately was that that was their hope, that if they finished only 150 or less behind sanders last night that they would consider that a good night. so i think that the scale of this victory was surprising to everyone, but most of all to the people who were around joe biden and the people -- i would suggest just watching joe biden's body language last night i think it was a surprise to joe biden that he not only that he performed well, i think he was confident he was going to perform well last night, i think he was not confident that he was
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going to perform in this way. it is historic. i look back at the 2016 results and it's worth thinking about for a second just because in 2016 hillary clinton super tuesday was almost exactly the same super tuesday, won 7 out of 11 states, won alabama 78 to 19, won arkansas 66 to 30, she won georgia -- well, forget about georgia -- she won tennessee 66 to 32. she beat bernie sanders in texas 65 to 33 and she did it the same way with the same coalition of voters that joe biden put together last night, but in 2016 it wasn't a surprise. hillary clinton came into super tuesday in a strong place, she, too, beat sanders badly in south carolina but she also had beaten him in iowa and she was a clinton. i think the main thing that the coalition that bide input together here that's not the surprise, i think the surprise is how rapidly things shifted and the thing that all the networks saw last night when they looked at the early exit polls was that there had been
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this -- the historic element of it was how many of these voters between saturday and tuesday, how many late deciding voters there were, a historic number who made up their minds in the last 48 hours. of that group just an astonishingly large proportion went for joe biden. that was the thing that i think we had never seen anything like that before. as we sit here on the other side of super tuesday now there is no doubt that bernie sanders is going to close the pledged delegate lead that joe biden has with his performance in california, how much we probably won't know that for a few days, but we are now in this race basically where we were in 2016 which is to say joe biden with a -- with a very slid pledged delegate lead, one that will that be difficult for bernie sanders to close without some very large victories down the road and those victories very hard to come by for bernie sanders because of the fact that, as you were suggesting a minute ago, there are some very big states, places like georgia, places like florida whereabouts
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is in terrible position relative to that electorate, especially with the comments that came up last week about castro and other things, you look at other -- >> john heilemann, add it up, you could talk about castro, you can talk about aipac, calling aipac -- suggesting that it was a racist o. >> right. >> why don't you just go through every single demographic group in florida and try to insult them one at a time. baby, he has done it. florida is going to be a political blood bath for bernie sanders. >> and, again, you keep looking down, you've got the big northeast, some of the later in the -- later in the calendar you get the corridor primary where you get upper northeast states where biden will be strong, these midwestern states like ohio and pennsylvania where biden should be strong. it's not impossible for bernie sanders to -- it's not mathematically impossible for bernie sanders to reclaim his front runner status and to claim this nomination, but it's going to require the kind of historic
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performance that we thought joe biden was going to have to have after this and i will say one more thing about 2016, four years ago after super tuesday hillary clinton was in the same position i just described and she was looking ahead to florida, she was looking ahead to a similar kind of calendar and the one thing that was in between her and the florida primary in that favorable calendar was the michigan primary which bernie sanders went and won and shocked everyone and when he won it sort of prolonged the contest in a way that people didn't expect. sanders won an unexpected victory in michigan and that kind of made everyone stop and think for a second. he had won in this battle ground state. that's what we're looking at again next week. we head towards next tuesday and sanders has michigan, among the states next week michigan is the most important one given its place in the general election. i think we will see a giant battle for michigan now and if biden can win michigan i would say that both in terms of the narrative and the delegate count the race will be effectively over.
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whereas if sanders wins that state again we are going to have another fight that's going to go on for months and months. >> so one big question over the past few weeks, how would michael bloomberg and his money upend the democratic race? ultimately money did not buy him votes. the former new york city mayor spent nearly $200 million on super tuesday ad buys compared to joe biden's $2 million. the difference is even more dramatic when you look at a few key states. in virginia bloomberg outspent the former vp by $5.5 million. in texas by $51.5 million and in north carolina by 12, in minnesota by $11 million all states biden claimed victory in last night. take a look at the comparisons of their campaigns as a whole. bloomberg and tom steyer combined spent over $600 million to biden's $62 million. the difference was even noticeable in the number of field offices.
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bloomberg had a combined total of 24 offices in tennessee, massachusetts and north carolina. biden, just one, yet he claimed victory in all three. >> so, jonathan lemire, i guess it was tip o'neill or maybe tip o'neill quoted somebody saying that money is the mother's milk of politics. not so much anymore. >> not last night. >> you could look at jeb bush back in 2016 who was considered to be the prohibitive favorite because of all of his money, you could look at other examples of it and money just doesn't translate into votes the way it used to. 30-second ads just -- it may shape the opinions of an electorate, but, again, it doesn't translate into hard votes. we've seen that time and again over the past four years and, my gosh, we certainly saw it last night. >> right. the impact of these television ads seem to diminish once people
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start paying attention. there's something to be said for getting out early and putting ads on the tv for markers, but they are outweighed by debate performance. the bloomberg campaign faces real questions about how to go forward. kevin sheekey and others send signals yesterday that nothing is decided, with he will see how things go, this is the first time that the mayor's name was on the ballot. by night's end they were sending out signal that they would be reassessing today. that doesn't mean he's going to drop out but certainly there is some chat that are this might indeed be the end of the bloomberg campaign. and then what happens next with his money? you know, there has been contention whether or not he would support bernie sanders, the sanders camp said that he wouldn't want bloomberg's money if sanders were to be the eventual nominee. bloomberg said he would support
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joe biden. as bloomberg starts spending now while the democratic race is still up for grabs and a couple other points here about bernie, as much as he won -- he won in new hampshire, he virtually won this iowa, a close second to buttigieg he still stayed under 30% in the popular vote. he has not grown his electorate at all which i think is significant here even as he entered yesterday with a fairly commanding delegate lead there were warning signs there. as far as biden goes, the come back is remarkable and speaks to his strength with african-american voters, suburban voters broke his way particularly late. john heilemann is right, it's an unprecedented late surge toward biden in the last couple days. when elizabeth warren decimated mike bloomberg on that debate stage that removed for a lot of people the moderate option to biden. bloomberg was seen as mortally wounded and some of those voters perhaps came home to bloomberg. biden had better debate performances in south carolina
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and nevada, that went a far -- went a ways to helping him. obviously clyburn's endorsement was the biggest of all and then the sense that there was a time for moderate consolidation and in particular the acceleration the last two days with the endorsements from buttigieg and klobuchar and o'rourke and suddenly biden was a freight train. he peaked at exactly the right time despite the lack of resources and safg. >> mike, for plume berg obviously this whole operation was a super tuesday gambit, put it all on super tuesday, it didn't work. didn't win any states, he won american samoa, came in second in colorado. >> half a million dollars for american samoa. >> he did win aspen which is very on brand. i want to talk about bernie sanders because i don't think this point has been made yet this morning, which is that at a debate two weeks ago tonight in las vegas he was the only candidate who raised his hand when asked if the candidate with the plurality, not the majority, the plurality, the person with
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the most delegates should be given the nomination. he did. he may live to regret that now if that person is joe biden who doesn't have the majority but has the plurality. >> let's take the three candidates that you mentioned, let's take bernie sanders. one thing about bernie sanders that we haven't spoken to today that we should all remember and i'm sure the biden campaign is recalling it, bernie sanders raised over $40 million online in february. he's not going anywhere for a while. mike bloomberg. mike bloomberg has always been data driven and goal oriented in everything he has ever done, so the data and the goal remain the same. his objective was to beat donald trump. it's just going to be a matter of what is he going to do today? how is he going to defeat donald trump? continue with his crew said personally to beat him or go with someone else like joe biden to beat him? and the third candidate is vice president biden himself. if teddy white were alive today writing the making of the
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president 2020, he would know as he always knew it's the story that is the principal thing. the story. we have a beginning, we don't have a middle yet and we certainly don't have an end but the story thus far of this campaign is 72 hours, from saturday night in south carolina to yesterday. that's the story of this campaign. when joe biden might just as well have stood on that stage in south carolina saturday night and said i am tonight announcing my candidacy for the president of the united states. that's when america said, whoa, here he is. here is joe biden. and here we are today. >> and, joe, there was some polling, let's not forget, ahead of south carolina that had the race relatively tight. there was question of, oh, my gosh, is it going to slip so far down the ladder that joe biden may either lose south carolina or win a narrow victory there? obviously he won in a blowout and among voters that he could
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count on last night to sweep him through super tuesday. >> people were talk being that midweek. midweek with south carolina coming up on saturday there was still talk of bernie sanders winning that state on tuesday. on wednesday. finishing joe biden's career there. gene robinson, your home state has been called a fire wall time and time again. people were mocking the south carolina fire wall. man, that fire wall with stood a hell of a lot of heat. it remains standing and it kept joe biden's campaign alive long enough to shock the world last night. >> yeah, it sure did. i mean, you know, i was down in south carolina, i talked to a lot of people, unscientific survey before the primary in the days leading up to the primary, but i just wasn't -- i wasn't hearing any enthusiasm for bernie sanders, including among students. i didn't see the generation gap
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among african-americans that we had read about and we had kind of anticipated. i was hearing mostly uncomplimentary things about joe biden. people had seen his ads and seen him in the debates and were unimpressed he struck some south carolina voters as ironically trumpy in the sense that he was this billionaire who seemed not to be prepared for the debate and seemed to be winging it and, gee, do we want to go down that road again. the stage was set for joe biden, he just needed that spark that jim clyburn gave to the biden campaign and really to the democratic party. he spoke as kind of the -- in a
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sense the moral conscience of the democratic party. he put himself in that role. also as the guardian of the democrats' house majority. keep in mind that jim clyburn is a majority whip and he has a direct and major interest in maintaining that majority. he decided that joe biden after all could be the guy. he could do it and here we are. >> and, joe, i just retweeted your article for the "washington post" the column that you wrote on joe biden and really just what a fighter he is, laying out all the ups and downs and they have been massive ups and downs in his life and why he just may have that type of ability to keep on fighting. it's built in him. >> i wrote the column a couple weeks ago as a personal tribute.
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a lot of people saw it as a political obituary, it wasn't a political obituary, it was just me reminding americans that joe biden gets knocked down, in fact, he's gotten knocked down more than just about any american politician i have ever met in my life. >> ever. >> politically, more heartbreakingly personally, but biden always gets to his feet and always fights back. >> that's kind of the american story. >> he's done that throughout his life, he's done that in his political life. that's exactly what he did last night. it is an extraordinary story and a story that teddy white would have loved to tell. still ahead, president trump is firing off tweets this morning aimed at elizabeth warren, claiming her candidacy is hurting bernie sanders. the president sure seems worried about facing off against joe biden. >> he loves bernie sanders. >> that conversation continues
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in american political history. >> all right. joining us now former u.s. senator now an nbc news and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill, and chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" peter baker. >> clair, joe biden, we know he can run as the come back kid. >> apparently. >> he was won over the past three days his first presidential primaries since starting his campaign for president in 1987. the real question is, the serious question is, how can he perform, how will he perform now that he is a front runner? >> well, if he keeps performing as he has over the last several weeks he's going to be fine. his last debate performance was certainly his strongest. it may be the next debate which i think is march 15th may be interesting because it may end up being just him and bernie
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sanders. if bloomberg, in fact, drops out this week and i don't know if elizabeth will stay for that debate or not, but it will be a stark contrast in terms of their views of some issues, not so much on others, but he's going to have to show the country that he can withstand a one on one with someone who probably is going to be much more pointed in his criticism in the next debate than he has been in the previous debates. bernie will go after him. >> peter baker, what are you looking at? i'm wondering how much of this could be impacted looking ahead to future states by withdrawal of candidate elizabeth warren or potentially mike bloomberg and the hope that perhaps mike bloomberg would continue supporting the front runner. >> well, look, mike bloomberg said all along he would be supporting whoever wins the nomination, his money obviously would be a big help to joe biden if biden were, in fact, to win. i think that's the thing that bloomberg would have to do in order to sort of redeem what
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seemed to have been a very disappointing outing for his first national campaign. you know, look, this is a really interesting moment for joe biden. he had obviously -- everybody has been saying this morning -- the best night of his political career, first time after 33 years of running for president he has won these contests in the last few days. i think you also saw some vulnerabilities in the last few days as well that you are going to hear a lot about in the days to come from president trump. you know, the gaffes, the mixing up of names, the inability to remember the words of the declaration of independence, these kinds of things the president banged on biden the other night at his rally. where is the president going tomorrow? he's going to scranton, pennsylvania, he's going to go straight to joe biden's hometown and take the fight to him. i think you're seeing the beginning of a general election matchup if biden can still outpace bernie sanders for the rest of this primary season. >> willie, i'm not so sure
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donald trump should be talking about how joe biden occasionally slurs his words and forgets what he's saying. you could put together a 30 minute reel of donald trump doing that. i mean, my god, just look at his ignorance shown in the coronavirus meeting in the white house a couple of days ago. seriously, that would be a race to the bottom for donald trump. >> yeah, i think there's no question about it, but peter is right, the campaign is already and donald trump is amplifying these clips that show joe biden stumbling through answers or misnaming someone or reaching for the wrong person who he thought was someone else. that is not an argument i think i agree with you i don't think that's an argument donald trump wants to have because there are plenty of other clips out there. joe biden's surprise victory in minnesota, by the way, came after senator amy klobuchar dropped out of the race and endorsed the former vice president on monday. in the weeks leading up to super tuesday polls showed klobuchar and bernie sanders leading in
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minnesota. a spokesperson said following her endorsement the candidate cut an radio ad. klobuchar's campaign deployed volunteers and organizers across minnesota. she has a 75% approval rating on that state, dropped out on monday and immediately got behind joe biden. he was already doing pretty well there but it didn't hurt to have amy klobuchar nudging him over the finish line. >> amy certainly helped him but the collective force of mayor pete, amy and beto all, the earned media cycle was off the charts for joe biden. it just screamed momentum. and the other thing i don't think we've talked enough about the force of barack obama. >> behind the scenes. >> you know, the force was with joe biden because if you look at african-american voters they know he was obama's number two, they know the things that are
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being said about joe biden can't really be that bad because obama trusted him. so if you look at the unbelievable margins in the blaj communities that voted yesterday, that really looks good for joe biden coming november. that and the margin with women. >> so let's talk, john heilemann, about bernie sanders and what bernie sanders needs to do as he moves forward. and the limitations that sanders has seen so far this election cycle. you had said to me earlier maybe we should have seen this coming, if you talley up all of bernie's vote totals from iowa forward. tell us about that. tell us about the possible ceiling on bernie's support. >> yeah, i think if you look back, i put this on myself as much as on everybody else, there is that moment that you guys were referring to earlier coming out of nevada where everyone thought, my god, sanders is a juggernaut, he has put together a new coalition, he has expanded
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his support in a powerful way, he could win south carolina. even at that moment he was a front runner who had won a quarter of the vote in iowa, he had won a quarter of the vote in new hampshire, about half of the vote that he had had four years earlier in new hampshire, in nevada on the first alignment vote he actually won only a third of the vote there and then in south carolina he won 20% of the vote. that guy coming into super tuesday we were saying is the prohibitive maybe or at least the clear front runner, which is kind of an astonishing thing to say. coming out of the first four states who had never been above a third of the vote and who had been at 25, 25 and 20 in the other three big states. south carolina the biggest electorate he had been at 20%. bernie sanders is still a strong and formidable candidate, he has the core bedrock support of an enthusiastic around a third of the democratic party but that's a strong candidate but not -- i think we overstated his strength
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and i think it's as he heads out of super tuesday now the weaknesses have been laid bare and the biggest one i will say this is something we didn't miss because we talked about it for all of 2019 was can bernie sanders break through with african-american voters? there is no democratic nominee in history who has not carried the black vote and bernie sanders was -- his candidacy crippled in 2016 because he could not get above 15% to 20% of the african-american vote and now here we are, four years later, and bernie sanders has made some strides with hispanic voters but he is still in exactly the same place in 2020 with african-americans as he was in 2016 and that is a fatal flaw. there is not -- you are not going to be the democratic nominee with this level of support in the african-american community. so i think it's right what mike barnicle said earlier, bernie has money, he has a passionate cadre of supporters, he is not likely to want to give up anytime soon and he will be a
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horn in joe biden's side. bernie could launch a come back, we've seen crazy things this cycle. maybe bernie will turn it around here in march, but there is no doubt he's going to be a player but to be the democratic nominee you've got to do better with african-american voters that bernie sanders has in 2016 and so far in 2020. i just don't see any sign of that changing right now so i just -- i think that is the structural ceiling on his candidacy and the reason why it's hard to imagine him as the democratic nominee unless he fixes that problem. >> peter baker, we know one person who closely watched the results last night is at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, the president, he was tweeting already this morning about it, you know, he certainly -- we seem to be perhaps heading towards a general election fight that he thought he would always get which is with joe biden, the one that, you know, led to frankly his impeachment and his efforts to damage joe biden and one person in the trump world in the last day or so -- and we could set aside whether this is a wise vatty or not, but texted
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me to say get ready to hear the words hunter biden over and over again. i want to go back to bernie sanders. it seems like he is content, really committed in the next couple weeks to sow discontent among the democratic field, particularly among bernie's voters and try to suggest that the process is rigged and try to drive and keep them home come november. maybe they wouldn't turn out for any nominee other than joe biden. what else are you hearing about what the president is trying to do to try to put his thumb on the scale on the democratic race? >> i think that's exactly right. he is a pot stirrer. he's very transparent about t there is no subtlety about it. he's trying to keep the democrats as divided as he possibly can because that's a formula that worked four years ago for him. the inability of the democrats to kind of come together after the fight between hillary clinton and bernie sanders and present a more united front, a more solid front against donald trump, allowed him to slide through on an inside straight winning the electoral college
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vote even though he lost the popular vote. he has done nothing in the three years since then to expand his coalition. what he has always done is try to simply preserve the people he got last time around. well, in order to keep that as a possible win for a strategy you have to then keep the other side as divided as they were three years ago as well. that's joe biden's big challenge here if he is, in fact, to go on to win this nomination is how he can do something better than hillary clinton did in terms of stitching the party back together again and the test for bernie sanders, again, he may still win, as john just said, but if he doesn't the question is how far is he willing to go this cycle to keep thinks campaign going if, in fact, it doesn't seem likely to win even at the risk of damaging the party in the fall. >> all right. peter baker, thank you so much. and coming up on "morning joe," super tuesday delivered some worrisome signs for president trump's chances this fall. but nbc's shannon petty piece says there was a silver lining
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it's a good night. it's a good night. and it seems to be getting even better. they don't call it super tuesday for nothing. people are talk being a revolution. we started a movement. we have increased turnout. the turnout has turned out for us. joe biden last night celebrating his massive victory. in his latest piece for "the new york times" entitled "joe biden just performed a miracle" frank rooney writes in part biden won in places where black voters make all the difference and in places where they don't. and his momentum may be even
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bigger than the super tuesday returns suggested. for three reasons, one, early voting in some states preceded his surge and probably didn't reflect it. two, the coalescing of other democrats around him is so new that it may not have fully registered with voters. three, exit polls affirm that democratic voters care more about choosing the fiercest adversary for president trump than about embracing a candidate whose positions they like best. super tuesday cast biden as that adversary. it gave him that glow so he could shine brighter, still when another six states vote in a week. or not. this much is safe to say, the landscape of the democratic primary was messing and now it's clean, so is the choice. the contest for the party's presidential nam nation comes down to two very distinct visions and two very different old men, neither of them named
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michael bloomberg. on super tuesday biden was the superhero. he could yet step on his own cape, he's biden, after all, but until then he's soaring. claire, i'm smiling at the end there, he's biden, but, you know, his story is compelling and for voters who for some reason all came together or so many of them came together behind joe biden, i can't imagine they will take a look at him, read his story and also look at the -- look at the battlefield. i mean, trump voters who were sort of disillusioned by trump, they would vote for biden some of them, wouldn't they? >> i think so. and more importantly, mika, if you look at the victories that we had in 2018 that delivered the house to nancy pelosi, it was suburban women who frankly probably don't call themselves democrats. many of them probably have voted for republicans much more often than they voted for democrats.
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they will be drawn to the decency and dignity as amy klobuchar said of joe biden. they certainly are not drawn to the antics of the mess in the oval office right now. so those suburban voters, particularly looked in virginia last night. biden had a 20 point gap with women in virginia. 20 points over sanders. it would be even bigger against donald trump. so if you look at that gender gap, keep an eye on that and obviously, the african-american vote. and if we can somehow stitch this up, if bernie will exactly embrace that we've got to be together in order to beat donald trump, i think this could turn out really well for the democrats in november. maybe we take the senate. >> in addition to his analysis of super tuesday, this morning the president is attacking jeff sessions on twitter. why you ask? well nbc news projects it will
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head to a runoff. less than two points separate jeff sessions and former auburn university head coach tommy tubberville. they look to take on doug jones in november. sessions, who had a turbulent relationship with president trump, touted his support for the president and for the trump agenda. >> when no one else dared do it, i endorsed donald trump. people thought i was nuts. some of you thought i was nuts. i heard from you. and where was my opponent, the one we will face in the runoff, when the battle was in doubt? you know where i was. on the front lines. where was he when president trump needed him? what did he do for trump?
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never said a kind word about him that i can find. never gave a single penny of his millions to the trump campaign. so one thing is clear, there's no doubt where i stand on the issues, no doubt of my support for donald trump and his agenda. >> here is how jonathan the president feels about jeff sessions. the president writing, this is what happens to someone who loyally gets appointed attorney general of the united states and then does not have the wisdom or courage to stare down and end the phony russia witch hunt, recuses himself on first day in office and the mueller scam begins. that's a tweet minutes ago from donald trump. perhaps trying to explain away why his former attorney general could not clear a runoff in the state of alabama. >> that tweet was a long time coming. we know the president's rage at jeff sessions for recusing himself during the russia probe. he fired him the day after the
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2018 midterms. after sessions announced he was going to run for his old senate seat, many were wonder, the president will not like that. when will he weigh in? advisors said, stay out of it. trump, in a rarity, didn't say anything during the period while the votes were being cast. here the day after the election, here he is. he made it very clear that he is not going to be supporting jeff sessions in the runoff going forward. one wonders the impact among alabama voters. as much as sessions is trying to tout his ties to the president, if trump is saying this, that's going to be a tough argument for sessions to make. >> in the first ad jeff sessions, all he talked about was all close he was with president trump. he slips on the maga hat. >> trump is saying, no, he is not. this is so weird. isn't it?
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the attorney general being rejected. he is the rejected suitor. i do love donald trump. no, you don't. i think -- look, this is trouble for sessions in alabama. right? republican party in alabama, it's a trumpy party right now. i think sessions is going to have a hard time if trump keeps up this pressure. of course, he will, because he will never forget the recusal. he will never forget. up next, the sanders campaign is upset. elizabeth warren wants to fight it out to the convention. wasn't that part of his playbook four years ago? we will discuss that dynamic. first, the exact moment when biden passed bernie sanders in texas. >> big state, small margin. 450 votes right now separating joe biden from bernie sanders and the lead in texas.
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i keep looking at this thing very closely. it keeps changing. it keeps getting closer. this is as close to tied as you can be without actually being tide. again, we're trying to figure out exactly where the outstanding vote is. we are looking at san antonio, for the worth, houston, el paso. see if that beto o'rourke endorsement has any impact out there. there it is. joe biden has taken -- >> joe biden is in the lead. >> 1,200 votes.
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friend, my late wife's great friend, joe biden. i know joe. we know joe. but most importantly, joe knows us. >> you know, you can take the hundreds of millions of dollars, you can take the organizations that all the political pros talk about, you can take the millions of tweets, you can take all the facebook ads, you can take everything that is talked about every day on how to build a winning campaign and all those combined are not as powerful as one man's words. king maker. >> that was likely the most
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pivotal moment, the endorsement last week helped catapult joe biden to a huge win in south carolina, which then led to a stunning super tuesday for the former vice-president. biden swept the south, the projected winner in nine states, with landslide victories. he also won minnesota. he won the delegate rich state of texas. he won elizabeth warren's home state of massachusetts, where she came in third behind bernie sanders. sanders won his home state of vermont as well as colorado and utah. sanders is leading right now in the state with the most delegates, california. but the race is still way too early to call with 50% of the vote in. sanders has 33% to biden's 24%. >> if california is anything
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like texas, early votes favored sanders. but just like in texas, biden caught him in the end. we will see if that happens in california. >> the state of maine is too close to call with 91% of the vote in. biden leads by 1,700 votes. >> that's a shock as well. >> when it comes to delegates, bide season the frontrunner, 453 to sanders 373. those numbers will update throughout the morning. >> those numbers are stunning. it was just a day or two ago that people were expecting joe biden to lose by 200, 300 delegates. nobody and i mean nobody expected, until early in the evening last night, that joe biden had a chance to even draw even with bernie sanders by the end of the night on super tuesday, let alone go ahead of him this way. >> along with joe, willie and me, we have mike barnacle,
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former white house press secretary robert gibbs and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. joe, after he won south carolina, joe biden said, if you have ever been down and out, if you have ever been down and out, this is the campaign for you. >> forgood reason. just one week ago, joe biden was out of money. his organization was non-existent. his support among his base, black voters, had dropped to single digits in most polls. these candidates standing between him and the nomination. joe biden was roundly being mocked as a man who had never won a single primary contest, despite the fact he had been running for president since 1987. all of that changed in one night. with biden showing extraordinary strength from texas to massachusetts, from alabama to minnesota. and voter turnout in virginia
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was so massive that by the end of the contest, you could see a combination of suburban voters fed up with donald trump and black voters wanting to believe again that they created a wall of support that i believe this morning and i think most people who know anything about politics believe, that combination now poses an existential threat to donald trump's political future. willie, as steve described it last night, it was, in a word, shocking. >> it was absolutely shocking. if you go back, joe, three weeks ago right now, we were waking up from new hampshire and all the talk was, after a fifth place finish, fifth in new hampshire, how does joe biden get out of this race with dignity? a beloved figure in the party and country. how does he get without dignity? now we wake up this morning as the dominos fell yesterday, beginning in virginia, going
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down to north carolina, through sec country, tennessee, alabama as you said, texas shocker in the state of massachusetts where joe biden wasn't playing, where he beat both bernie sanders and that state's senator elizabeth warren. then the state of minnesota. amy klobuchar backing skr ining. he cleaned up with nine states. california still out there. also some of the postmark voting sent out yesterday. mike barnacle, you have known joe biden a long time. i know even people inside joe biden's campaign thought after new hampshire, yes, let's see what happens in south carolina, we believe that's the place we will do the best. nobody, nobody even inside the campaign saw last night coming. >> absolutely correct. it was incredible. i have never heard of anything like it. i don't think any of us have heard anything like it. a week ago, joe biden was at 11
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points in massachusetts. he won the state last night. clearly as joe alluded to and we showed the clip, south carolina was resurrection city. i think what happens is after south carolina and his terrific speech, the remarks he made after his stunning victory in south carolina, they were repeated again and again on sunday on tv and on monday. what people say, i think, is humanity. they saw his humanity. they saw the fact that he is a candidate with purpose. they came back to him. i think they were always there, but they came back to him after seeing him. >> if you look at the african-american vote -- i know we will dive into some of the numbers. obviously, african-american voters saved joe biden in south carolina. the numbers were even bigger last night. he won 60% of african-american voters in south carolina. the numbers in places like virginia, 63%, alabama, 72%, tennessee, 62%. african-american voters and
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older voters rode to the rescue last night for joe biden. >> you know, there's some people last night trying to suggest -- sanders supporters, trying to suggest the numbers from black voters for joe biden were not shocking. they were shocking. again, i go back to the poll a week ago that had bernie sanders within single digits of joe biden. even after south carolina, people said, 60%, 56%, that's a good number for joe biden. that's because those numbers, in the 70s in alabama, absolutely stunning. this turnaround, this shocking turnaround -- i have been thinking all night, trying to figure out a time when one candidate's fortunes changed over a course of three days as much as joe biden's did. i just can't think of anybody. you would have to go back to truman in 1948.
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it's shocking, to think of a parallel where americans woke up one morning shocked by the results. donald trump shocked the political world. but that was coming. you could see that coming ten days out as he got closer after the comey letter. this shocking result over the course of three days is like nothing we have seen in modern american politics. reverend al, it's because of black voters across the deep south that kept this campaign alive when everybody else, everybody else considered it dead. >> no doubt about it. when you look at what happened last night, even those of us that felt that he was being underestimated with black voters were stunned at how overwhelmingly he was supported. and you have to give a lot of credit to jim klyburn who has so much respect.
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i think probably john lewis and joe and elijah cummings is the one that transcends age lines in terms of respecting the political culture of the black community. the other thing you have to keep in mind, is that people felt -- i heard it over and over ag whe biden and i spoke on sunday at brown chapel. people said, joe biden stood by barack obama. he stood by our guy. we're going s ining to stand by. there's an identity in our community where we feel we have been counted out because you count a guy out it doesn't mean the fight is over. the culture identity -- i keep saying a lot of the latte liberals are disconnected from the base of the democratic party, which is the african-american voters. that is, they care about how their kids are going to go to school, bread and butter issues, they care about criminal justice.
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a lot of the latte liberals are so intellectual. >> we will check in with steve who has the results from super tuesday dialed in. he will break down last night's primaries next on "morning joe." i'm about to capture proof of the ivory billed woodpecker. what??? no, no no no no. battery power runs out. lifetime retirement income from tiaa doesn't. guaranteed monthly income for life. nooooo! in august 1619, a ship appeared on this horizon, near point comfort, virginia. it carried more than 20 enslaved africans, who were sold to the colonists.
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let's come on over to the big board. i'm joined by steve kornacki. we were hanging on your every word last night. i don't see you shocked very often. at one point when the states start rolling through the south, you did say this was shocking. this is a delegate game. the number of states sim pre s impressive. a lot of the speculation was, can joe biden keep the delegate margin under 100 trailing bernie sanders? will it be 150? a different story as we wake up
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this morning. >> this is the current count allocated by nbc news. there are hundreds of delegates, even in the states that have been called, tennessee, north carolina, you still got delegates that biden is going to squeeze out of the states. you have dozens in some cases. you still got california out there. the picture is coming into focus. biden is going to make that 15% threshold in california. that was the only outstanding question. even if biden ends up absorbing a 20-point loss in california, when they add the numbers -- it's not looking like it's 20. even if he does, i think you are looking at a scenario where joe biden ends the night ahead of sanders by about 30 delegates. that's the conservative end. biden will be ahead. this was supposed to be sanders big night. he was supposed to run up a margin of 250, 300 delegates out of california. it was supposed to be the night sanders won texas, probably by double digits. got something big out of
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colorado. he did win that. it was supposed to be the night when he drew even across the southeast. maybe won in north carolina, maybe won in virginia. he lost virginia by 30. he was hoping to beat warren in massachusetts. knock her out and shut biden out of delegates. instead, joe biden wins massachusetts. he was hoping to win minnesota. joe biden won minnesota. coast to coast here, this is a night for joe biden. this was supposed to be the sanders delegate night. when you look at the patterns night, demographically and what comes next, you could see it. next week, we will be in mississippi. if you look what happened in alabama, if you look what's happening in the black vote around the south, mississippi is not a big state but mississippi can be a big delegate state for joe biden. if he is getting the margins we're seeing throughout the south in a state like mississippi, he could net 30 delegates just out of mississippi. michigan is the big state that's up next week.
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we will talk about michigan. 125 delegates. let's say sanders wins but it's a close race. sanders will net five, ten delegates. by what we see demographically, sanders is due to take huge hits in the south, in mississippi, in georgia, in louisiana and in florida. his polling has been terrible in florida. if he is in an even race delegate-wise or down a little bit, look at these hits that he is about to absorb. where can he make up for them? that coalition everybody is describing, hard to see it. >> biden has huge margins of older voters. that will come into play in florida. coming up, what about elizabeth warren? the presidential contender is still in the race. so far, doesn't have the results to show for it. that conversation is next on "morning joe." (howling wind)
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just a few days ago, the press and the pundits declared the campaign dead. then came south carolina, and they had something to say about it. we were told when it got to super tuesday, it would be over. well it may be over for the other guy. i'm here to report, we are very
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much alive. and make no mistake about it, this campaign will send donald trump packing. >> wow. let's bring in historian, aun r er of "the soul of america" john meechum. he is an msnbc contributor. i think we saw a little bit of the soul of america last night. >> that we did. >> this was an historic political turnaround. a first-rate drama complete with everything, save maybe the dewey beats truman headline. what an extraordinary turnaround in the course of three or four days. >> yeah. when was the last time alabama and massachusetts agreed on anything? >> right. >> one way of looking at this.
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we have been talking about my region and the line from the atlantic over. but minnesota, massachusetts, upper south and a deep south state, it was an amazing run. and i think the message was that the country is, in fact, both hungry for and now in sight of a stabilizing force. we spent five years on this terrible constitutional tilt-a-whirl where everybody is exhausted by a president who veers from unthinkable to unthinkable to unthinkable. and vice-president biden, whatever his faults, he is and you and mike were saying, the most human of people. whatever one can say about him, he is a genuine and empathetic
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figure who is much more part of the vernacular of presidential leadership. he is a coherent reply of the american people to say, who do we want to be president? joe biden is an answer that makes sense historically. more so -- far more so than the incumbent and given the eye ideological choice of sanders, biden is the more rational choice. that's just a historical fact. we tend to elect people like joe biden more so than people who are farther to the extremes of either side. >> america doesn't want a revolution right now. they want to stabilize after the trump years. thinking about all of you in nashville after the tornado last night, hope you are doing okay. i know it's been really awful for a lot of people down there, including loss of life. let's talk about the south last
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night more broadly. because it started sort in acc country, if you want to put it in sports terms, virginia, north carolina. came down through the sec. we got alabama, we got tennessee. then went over to the big 12 with oklahoma and texas. african-american vote obviously leading the way. older voters leading the way as well for joe biden's wins in all of those states. can you just talk about tennessee specifically, if you want, but more broadly, what's going on in the south, the mood of the south? >> it's, i think -- the hope of defeating president trump lies with getting -- i don't know what the percentage is. kornacki has forgotten more about this than any of us know. you need a certain percentage of people who would not vote for secretary clinton for a variety of reasons, fair or unfair, to come back to the democratic party or republicans who were
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republicans in a pre-trump world. part of what's happening, i think -- this may or may not be representative of the exact democratic results, because those are -- even though they are open primaries, those are folks voting in a specific partisan contest. i think all of us know in terms of common sense -- i know lots of people here in tennessee who are not liberal democrats, to say the least. when i say i have conservative friends in tennessee, that's redundant. right? dome graphical demographically, you have to. there's no other choice. and yet they have -- until the last ten days or so, they loved the way the dow was going. they were fine with the judges. they don't like the unconstitutional ukrainian campaign back room deals. they hate the way the president speaks. they hate the way he behaves. in the absence of a compelling
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and dare i say it safe alternative, they were going to end up voting again for this guy. i know this is true in the upper south. biden is the one figure here who might get 10, 12, 15% of what i would think of as bush, mccain, romney republicans to say, i'm going to vote across the aisle because let's be honest, joe biden right now looks a lot more like a bush, a mccain or a romney than anybody else on the stage, which is kind of a remarkable thing. >> he is the clearest contrast to donald trump on so many levels, john. to your point, biden provides an option for voters who maybe voted for trump, a little bit disillusioned and want an option, that would be biden. robert gibbs, looking at the results from last night, if you were elizabeth warren's campaign
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manager or bloomberg's campaign manager, what are you saying to your candidate? >> you would have to look at the map and look at what's happened and think, there really aren't viable panths to go forward. each candidate has to make their own decision. each of the campaigns for the most part have been studious in not trying to push one way or the other candidates out of the race. but it is really hard to see mike bloomberg wasn't viable. if you look at warren's campaign, it's hard to win the nomination from third place. it's even more difficult if that third place happens in your own home state. i think they're going to have some reassessing to do. they're all going to tell us that they're going to go forward until they're not. so i think there will be some period of reassessment in trying to figure out, does it make sense to go forward? >> good question.
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at this point, john, these are candidacies that for elizabeth warren was focused on her message. there was a moment during the campaign where things just started to go south, when she talked about how to pay for her programs. for bloomberg, this whole thing was to perhaps, i think, go against bernie sanders, because it looked like joe biden was faltering. he is not faltering this morning. >> i think it's accurate to say that mayor bloomberg decided to get in during that period when warren was surging and biden was fading. the idea was that -- the nominee would be too far left. that rationaledisappearing. one of the things we learned anew, yet again, in the last six or seven days, is that our
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capacity to predict is miserable. and indeed, non-existent in many ways. william goldman famously said the key to hollywood was knowing no one knows anything. i think we should apply that to what we do. there are certain perennial and infrastructural forces. right now, the choice does seem to be between a more radical departure from the basic gist of american politics with senator sanders or a kind of restoration of a coherent conversation that didn't always work for everybody. right? there's a reason donald trump is president and bernie sanders is this popular. right? it's not that -- people who look like us and talk like us can appear sentimental and nostalgic as if we're going to the
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brookings institution picnic and all of that. there's a reason we're in this political equivalent of climate change where it's 20 degrees one day and it's 80 degrees the other. the system does not work for enough people. one of the distorting affects of the trump presidency has been that people are willing to -- seemingly postpone radical change just to get our bearings again. i think that's what's unfolding. it could change again. but the reality right now is that joe biden looks like a president. he looks like somebody you would want to live with for four years and people are so exhausted by the trump drama that they're willing to make that. coming up, california was considered fertile ground for senator bernie sanders. our next guest is backing the other guy. the mayor of los angeles has
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a very impressive win for bill clinton, especially in the big pivotal states of texas and florida. >> it is only tonight that i fully understand why they call this super tuesday. >> bill clinton tonight, who was early perceived as the frontrunner and ran into a patch of personal difficulties, makes a claim tonight on the idea that he is the frontrunner for the democrats. >> that was tom brokaw's coverage of super tuesday 28 years ago when a young bill clinton, the comeback kid, took advantage of a new grouping of southern primaries in 1992, sweeping the south on super tuesday and completing a return that he had begun in new hampshire.
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tom joins us now, along with senior white house reporter for nbc news digital, shannon pettypiece and national politics reporter for "the new york times" jennifer medina. >> tom, once again, super tuesday shows why it is super for the candidate that wins. once again, it is black democratic voters that make all the different in the world. >> well, joe, as i was watching all of that, i was thinking about, that was for bill clinton about his 20th comeback of that year alone. he was making a comeback every other week, as you may recall. it began with scandals that were going on in arkansas, both personal and that had money attached to them as well. he was always claiming a victory. then, of course, he got to the place where he was going to be the candidate, because he was kind of born to run for president from the beginning of his life on. no one has gone through more, i
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suppose, incarnations than bill clinton. the difference between then and now as i keep saying is, you cannot overestimate the impact of social media. everybody has their finger on a key stroke somewhere. you can't trust most of what you are seeing, frankly, these days. it moves a whole landscape around. the fact is that, five days ago they were saying joe is a nice guy but it's over. there was joe back the place he likes to be, making a big speech, being triumphant again. what i'm saying is, this is a hugely important week. it ain't over. >> mike, we were talking about new hampshire in our last hour. we sat there on the set with joe biden in that restaurant in manchester, new hampshire. in some ways, it felt like it was already over. he saw the writing on the wall. he knew he was going to come in fourth or fifth in new
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hampshire. people said he lost a step. there was almost a funeral feel to it, like we were -- some people in new hampshire were coming to say good-bye politically to joe biden at some of the events. now here we are three weeks later talking about him again as the frontrunner in this race. >> you know, to that point and the point you, tom, raised is it is amazing to me the number of candidates and the people surrounding candidates for president this year and for the past couple of cycles, who think that twitter is the universe. their campaigns and thoughts are molded by what they see on twitter. in the restaurant that you were speaking about, in barber shops around the country, in gas stations around the country, not a lot of people are looking at twitter all day long. >> the other thing is that if you listen to the last couple of days, a whole bunch of those people who were interviewed said, i made up my mind in the
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last 12 hours or so. i've been thinking about it, but i have a business to run, i have kids to get to school, i have things that i want to do. we're consumed by it. the other piece of this is, no better example of being ambushed by events than this health crisis we're going through. this is of enormous proportions. it has no boundaries. we don't have a way of controlling it. the very best people in the field are saying, maybe in a year or a year and a half we will have a grip on this of some kind. in the meantime, people are saying, what do i do? what do i do about my children, my workplace? we're going through a real transition both politically, scientifically, economically. the world is a much different place today than it was ten days ago, quite honestly. >> want to get to shannon. you are writing about super tuesday's silver lining for trump. shannon, tell us about it. >> well, i think this is really good flu news and bad news for
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trump campaign. you see biden doing incredibly well with suburban voters, with black voters. you see large democratic turnout in virginia and north carolina that could be indicators for how things will go in michigan and pennsylvania. i think that's the downside for trump. the good side for the trump campaign is to the point you have been making that this is far from over. the trump campaign has wanted from the very beginning for this nominating process to drag out as long as possible. their dream scenario would be a contested convention. with sanders still in striking distance, they are hoping that at the end, if biden is the nominee, he comes out bruised, bloodied, broke, low on money, while the trump campaign has had that time to focus on rallies and focus on their own attacks against biden or sanders, whoever the nominee should be. the trump campaign has been very -- has been honing those attacks on biden. we saw it at a rally monday
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night, laying into the gaffs and how they will put biden into a home if he is elected. and the bernie sanders socialist argument. they have time to create caricatures of the candidates. >> you are writing about the latino vote as it applies to this process, jennifer. let's talk about that from last night. joe biden won a surprising victory in texas. bernie sanders did win the latino vote there. he did very well among nevada. california, it's late to be seen. presumably, sanders will do well among latinos there. he has invested a lot of time and energy into kouri incourtin latino vote. >> absolutely. what we know is they remain the fastest growing group and the second largest non-white demographic in 2020. it is clearly a demographic the sanders campaign has poured a
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lot of time and resources into. it has paid off. latinos are keeping the sanders campaign alive in some sense in texas and in california. what happens in the states beyond is a big question. we're looking ahead at two very different states, arizona and florida, where latinos are very different in both of those states. the biden campaign has received endorsements from prominent latino elected officials, including in texas and california. i think what's interesting from the california and the west is that you see so many latinos and young latinos in particular who really feel turned on and listened to by the sanders campaign and what happens to that energy, i think it's a big interesting thing to watch. >> that's the feeling. what is the specific policy issue? is there something that latino voters are hearing from bernie sanders on questions of policy that perhaps they're not hearing from joe biden and other more
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moderate conditiandidates? >> yeah. there's a few things i hear over and over again from supporters. one is health care. number two is student loans and student debt. number three and in this order is immigration. there's a lot of people who have an emotional tie to immigration or who have some sort of family tie to undocumented immigrants and feel like sanders is really saying the kinds of things they want to hear. it's more about the sort of social programs and social promises that he is making that are really drawing these young latino voters. >> you know, tom, earlier you were talking about bill clinton. we showed the clip, the comeback kid in 1992. in the course of your career, the course of coverage of presidential primaries, or any elections, have you ever seen such a shocking comeback within one week as we have seen from the joe biden campaign? >> no. no question about it. we all -- those of us who have been in this business a long
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time have known joe personally. it doesn't mean we're great friends with him. it's part of the culture. >> speak for yourself. >> we have grown up with. joe is the old warrior. i saw him out in iowa. it was sad. he was in a small room because they had to fill it up. they didn't have enough people to do that. buttigieg was doing better across the street. i thought, this is the last hurrah for joe at this point. you could see him tailing down many then all of a sudden, it caught fire. i'm not quite sure why. i think a lot of people, especially in his age group, began to say, this is serious stuff that we're dealing with. we're now talking about making judgements about not just about the economy but also about health scares, about what's going on in the middle east and what's happening and what's happening to the character of american politics at the national level. under this president. this whimsical way, i'm not
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going to do this, i want to change to this. a lot of people are amused by that and are welcoming it. others are saying, wait a minute, we are talking about the future, we are talking about big decisions here. i think that that's what prompted some people, especially on the democratic side, to say, you better take a deep breath here and figure out where it is we want to go and how we want to get there. it doesn't mean that this president is out of gas, because he has a way of kind of turning things around. if you look at his reaction, what happened in the last 24 hours, he came out punching away again. not acknowledging in any way that joe had had a big time. >> tom brokaw, thank you so much. shannon, thank you very much. "the new york times" jennifer medina, thank you as well. joining us now, the mayor of los angeles. he is backing joe biden for president. california playing big. >> mr. mayor, i talked to you a
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couple of -- maybe 18 months ago. a lot of people were pressuring you to run for president. you didn't think it was time. you had a lot of work left to do in los angeles. you deferred. have now decided to support joe biden for president, why? >> well, you know, i know joe. joe did more in this city to raise our minimum wage, make community college free, help us with climate change, win the olympics. he is a great guy and great american. somebody who everybody knows this man's heart. nobody has been through more. nobody has a bigger heart than him. he also can deliver progress. he is not just somebody who has great plans for progress which i respect. he has delivered them. i was with him yesterday. he is energetic. you can see how steely, how ready, how fired up he is. it's been exciting. he put together a coalition. super tuesday certainly lived up to its name for joe. it was a super tuesday. >> mr. mayor, we have the
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associated press's jonathan lamere here with us. he will ask a question so long as it doesn't involve the two words, mookie betts. go ahead. >> mr. mayor, there's a few of us on the state who are in mourning about that trade. we won't talk about it. >> i'm sorry. we keep saying, stealing signs is a crime. i want to remind that for all teams out there. >> you guys have a beef with the astros, no doubt about that. let's focus on the election yesterday. in terms of we don't have -- nbc has not made the call. wanted to see what your sense of the enthusiasm. i want to drill down something you said yesterday. you said mike bloomberg needed to offer explanations to voters for his subpar performance. explain what you meant and more specifically, are you saying mike bloomberg, after not winning any contest yesterday outside of american samoa, should he drop out?
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>> i never make that decision for anybody running for office. he is a super guy. a great mentor. amazing philanthropist. if the thesis was super tuesday is going to be good, i think you need a new thesis and to consider what the impact on the race is. this is a time for us to focus on donald trump, i think mike bloomberg has been focused on donald trump properly so. i thank him for that. it's a time to bring forces together. we built a coalition, a real coalition here. in oklahoma, we won. i was in east l.a. with the vice-president and saw enthusiasm on the street with everyday folks that were there, in south los angeles. it's time, i think. i know that's going to happen with the campaign. i talked to a lot of candidates who have dropped out. i know that's a tough thing to go through. dad the data was clear last night. >> i want to bring claire into the conversation. you have been looking closely at the results in california. what are you seeing? >> i had a conversation with a
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national level pollster who looked at the numbers. i would love the number to correct this if he thinks it may not be right. according to this source, yesterday's vote, the same day vote in california, bernie came in third on the same day vote. d on the same-day vote. that, in fact, biden won in the same day voting in california yesterday, which also leads me to the question, mayor, you had a problem. people were waiting in line way too long for a state that has tried to make voting easy, why was it so damn hard yesterday? >> well, our county had a new system. it's not run by the city. i was with my wife, she finished up at 9:45 last night. it was heartbreaking to see working parents that had to leave the line because it was a two, three hour wait. great new system but not enough people were there. that's something the county of los angeles will have to
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correccorrec correct. bernie has also run an incredible campaign out here with a ton of enthusiasm. if bernie wins this had, i'm 100% behind him and we need the same things of those supporters when joe biden is the nominee, should we win. it's an important moment not to let the white house get excited because we're divided. it's absolutely critical. point taken and we're pushing our county to make sure that doesn't happen. >> i want to pick up on something you said about senator sanders. the "new york times" projecting when all is said and done in california, joe biden is going to be ahead by about 60 pledged delegates, it's a narrow lead, it's hard to catch up even when you have a small gap but it's going to be a fight. this race is not going to end any time soon, bernie sanders is going to fight, he has the
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money, the hard core support. but one thing he doesn't have, he hasn't broken through with african-american voters, and he could still be the democratic nominee. what would you say to bernie sanders about addressing that problem? you have to perform better with african-american voters to be the nominee and perform better for them to turn out in the fall, what's your advice to bernie sanders to address this one big failing of his campaign so far? >> i'm an adviser to joe biden not bernie sanders. we could flip it and say the same thing with latinos and joe biden. we need to make sure that we're speaking to both communities. it's wonderful to see folks focussing on more than immigration. we care about community college, which we made free and joe biden helped us do. african-american voters know joe biden. they know his heart.
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i don't think it's a rejection of bernie. we went to a restaurant yesterday in south l.a. that obama had visited, and there was just a deep reservoir of love. i say people don't vote just where they are on the political spectrum, especially picking president, they vote on a feeling. and to the african-american community there is a deep sense this is a father of our nation right now and one that can restore it. >> another matter i want to ask you about, coronavirus, a new case reported in your city yesterday, two more in orange county, here in new york the message is wash your hands, be vigilant and go on with your lives. what are you saying? >> we're seeing the cases begin to pop up now, i think this week we'll see more, that's my sense.
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it's not just about washing our hands it's about making sure some of our greatest vulnerabiliti vulnerabilities, for instance the senior care facilities, we have medical personnel without protective measures you see in hospitals and community clinics we need more help to make sure the tests are free, there's enough tests and we can do it mobile or drive through so people aren't overwhelming medical personnel. right now we're focussed on that. we're in charge of the fourth busiest airport in the world and the busiest port in america. we're doing everything to screen folks and everything we can to own this responsibility. >> you think the state of emergency is coming soon? >> probably. we have five or six counties in california all right. >> california mayor eric garcetti thanks for being with us. we want to sprinkle in one
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set of news here, on tuesday, michigan being a critical state, jennifer granhome, the former governor there, has just endorsed joe biden to be the democratic nominee. >> not surprised. >> we can't say enough about the importance of michigan, willy. it's a state last time, four years ago, that hillary clinton was expected to win. bernie sanders' shocking victory there kept that race going, as john heileman said earlier, kept that race going for some time. if joe biden can beat bernie sanders in michigan it not only proves he's the guy for the democratic party but shows strength and one of the states that will determine whether donald trump will serve another four years, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania and florida, joe biden can lay claim to that
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state next week. >> and he can lay claim to trump voters who may be looking for an alternative. i think he rides that fine line carefully. we need competence and goodness in the next president of the united states. so it's interesting what happened. i'm proud of the democratic party. that does it for us this morning. stephanie rhule picks up the coverage -- >> i'm always proud of the democratic party. >> not so much. >> we don't choose sides. and thw that great promise is kept. it informs where billions in funding will be spent on programs that touch us all. shape your future. start here. learn more at 2020census.gov
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hi there, i am stephanie rhule. it's wednesday, march 4th and here's what's happening. the country this morning waking up to super tuesday shock. a massive win in south carolina, a few key endorsements, including two former rivals and a wave of momentum helped former vice president joe biden have a massive night. you could feel it as soon as he took the stage in los angeles last night. >> to those who have been knocked down, counted out, left behind, this is your campaign. >> the former vice president winning big in virginia, north carolina, alabama, massachusetts, oklahoma, tennessee, arkansas, minnesota. he even managed to score a win in delegate rich