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hear a lot more from both of them. bernie sanders sits down tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern with our own rachel maddow. you should note joe biden will be out on television tomorrow morning. that does it for me. i'll be back here tomorrow night at 6:00 p.m. eastern. keep it right here on msnbc. good evening, i'm joy reid in new york. the democratic presidential race has undergone a seimic shift after joe biden's super tuesday come back. all but counted out after going winless. biden's came pain roared back to life in huge way after his big win in south carolina setting up a quick super tuesday for barack obama's former vice president this week. biden got another boost today when he was dlarp edeclared the in maine giving him victories in ten of the 14 super tuesday
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states. biden swept the southern states including texas, the second biggest delegate prize of the night. thanks in part to overwhelming support from african-american voters. senator sanders promised youth vote surge just frankly did not happen. biden's victory last night have propelled him past sanders in the overall delegate count. last night in los angeles, he told his supporters there's a reason it's called super tuesday. >> just a few days ago the press declared the campaign dead. then came south carolina. they had something to say about it. we're told when you got to super tuesday, it would be over. it may be over for the other guy. i'm here to report we're very much alive. >> sanders still leads in california where a total of 415 delegates are at stake.
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because of the weeks of early vote, remay not know for a while. biden got another big boost today as michael bloomberg announced he's calling it quits. he addressed staff and supporters in new york this afternoon. >> i've always believed that defeating donald trump starting with united behind the candidate with the best shot to do it. after yesterday's vote is clear that candidate is my friend and a great american, joe biden. >> for his part, sanders seemed to acknowledge it looked like a two person race. senator warren is still running. sanders told reporters that he likes biden personally but accused the former v.p. of being beholden to billionbillionaires. >> joe and i have a different vision for the future of this country. joe and i are running very different campaigns. joe is running a kpam this is heavily supported by the corporate establishment. does anyone seriously believe
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that a president backed by the corporate world is going to bring about the changes in this country that working families and the middle class and lower income people desperately need. >> joining me now a simone sanders. thank you so much for being here. congratulations on a very super super tuesday and on south carolina. >> thanks for having me, joy. >> what do you count up your win to? obviously, south carolina propelled the campaign forward. give us your take on how you're able to get from campaign a lot of people were declaring to be, not dead on arrival but really struggling to campaign that's the front running campaign. >> a lot of people counted joe biden out but i always bet on joe biden. look, what we saw yesterday on super tuesday and in south carolina is enthusiasm and in many places across the country an increase in turn out. i think that's a strong response
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to the bold vision that vice president biden as put forward. we need to unite. it's time for democrats to unite. democrats across the country have all indicated the most important thing to them is beating donald trump. we need to build on the bold vision that the obama-biden administration put forward. that's what joe biden campaign is doing. this campaign is for anyone that's been knocked down p, counted out. we welcome you here because we have work to do. >> let me play an ad that the senator sanders campaign is running. flight running in florida and perhaps other states. let me let you take a look. >> bernie is somebody who has the virtue of saying exactly what he believes. great authenticity, great passion and is fearless. bernie served on the veteran committee and got bills done. i think people are ready for call to action. they want honest leadership who cares about them. they want somebody who will fight for them. they will find it in bernie.
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>> feel the burn. >> i'm buernie sanders and i approve this message. >> what do you think of him making him wrap himself up in what sounds like an endorsement. >> in 2012 it was senator sanders who noted obama had been a disappointment. president obama had been a disappointment. he hadn't gone far enough on a number of issues and topics and said it wouldn't be too bad if he had a primary opponent. i find it interesting in this race when the polls have tightened after a number of voters in the country had their say, namely african-american voters, democrats with whom president obama is popular. now we have another individual trying to wrap themselves in the cloak of president obama, if you will. i think what we have seen in recent history is that ad, no matter how many you run or how
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much money you spend, they cannot erase the facts and history. >> how would if biden is the nominee, he still is going to need that young, the energy of the sanders voters. he will need young progressives to turn out. that's the base which senator sanders does well with. what pitch will the biden team make to sanders voters if he's the nominee? >> voters across the country, young people, young voters included, they koepdon't want a revolution, they want results. young people are angry. they understand more than anyone the threat that is climate change. the threat that is an economy where gdp is up but wages are stag stagnant. they are saddled with student debt working two or three jobs just trying to pay the bills and can't buy homes. vice president biden has put forts a bold vision for that. we have to do this together.
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it take a bold vision but none of the things that noi noted cannot get established. i don't think we'll have a problem bringing the party together if vice president biden is the nominee which we believe he will. we have from day one said this campaign is about restoring the soul of the nation, rebuilding the backbone of this country and that's what we plan to do. >> before i let you go, i have to show you this. i don't know if you can see it from where you are. this was yourself and jill biden bodying two protesters anti-peta or meat protersters. your thoughts in that moment in. >> i'm proud to stand behind and with dr. jill biden any day of the week. look, we had a number of protesters at our rally last night in california. our security acted very quickly and in the moment a number of staffers, women staffers, sprung to the stage and sprung into action. i'm proud no one was hurt and i'm happy that our rally could
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continue. i would note, don't mess with jill biden. that's jilly from philly. >> i hear that. well done. thank you. >> thank you. joining me now is the wisconsin chair of the bernie sanders campaign. thanks for being here, sir. >> thank you. glad to be here. >> i played earlier from simone sand who is from the vice president's campaign an ad that bernie sanders is running in florida that wraps him many the mantle of barack obama. let me let you hear what senator sanders has said about that ad. take a listen. >> we have worked with president obama. i'm not going to say he and i are best friends. we talk every now and then. i want to make it clear because there's a lot of dishonest statements about my relationship with obama to say i work with him and respect him and look forward to working with him. >> is it fair to run an ad
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wrapping senator sanders in barack obama's mantle when he d did suggest that president obama should be primaried in 2012 when he called him a disappointment. when he's saying he's anti-establishment. i can't think of what would be more establishment than the president of the united states. >> the real way you look is bernie sanders was there on every major initiative. when the president was in office bernie sanders was there and they were crucial partners in making sure that legislation passed. i think it's very fair for bernie sanders to talk about the record that he and barack obama shares in advancing a lot of important policy. >> does he regret wanting to have him primaried? >> if we go down that list of every candidate, you're going to have to have a long list of paper for all the different things that people said. if i had to look at joe biden's record over the years, he's probably taken ten different positions on almost every issue.
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i don't think that's the way we judge people. where you can judge bernie sanders is on the incredible voting record, fighting for families in places like wisconsin and he was there with barack obama getting those things done when it was important. >> i think it's fair to say that probably joe biden was more there because he was his vice president. i want to show you a tweet by a gentleman. he was the former communications director for senator cory booker. he wrote following. the big win that joe biden had on super tuesday rested in him being able to turn out base that looked very much like the obama base. this is what he tweeted. it appears biden is basically reassembling the obama primary coalition tonight. african-americans, college whites with residual strength with older non-college whites. it's a pretty formidable coalition. it doesn't appear that senator sanders has grown his coalition with those groups. do you have a sense within the campaign of why? >> i would disagree with that.
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he has approved among african-american voters. he's picking up big quantities of latino voters. this is like a basketball bracket. we're down to the final two candidates. we have a moderate establishment candidate and we have a progressive populist candidate. in places like wisconsin, just running the same old like we did in 2016, establishment sort of campaign, gave the electoral college votes to donald trump. we have to talk to those people who lost those manufacturing jobs. my hometown, 14,000 people yudsed to mayuds -- used the make cars. no one does today. we had 250,000 democratic voter drop off in wisconsin in 2016. we can't do that again.
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i believe bernie sanders message will bring out more of the voters we need. >> would it be fair to say he's not shown he can do that so far? if you look at numbers in the state, he won new hampshire but it was very marginally of pete buttigieg. joe biden taken in 62% of the african-american votes to only 18% of senator sanders. if you look at the exit polls of black voters by age, senator sanders is only doing four points better among young black voters 18 to 44 than biden is where biden is lapping him with older black voters. looking back, do you think it was a mistake for senator sanders to be the only major candidate, even some who already dropped out not to show up in selma. do you think that was a strategic error looking back? >> it would be very much the
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opposite. eechb each of those candidate will have to talk about why they think they are the best person to defeat donald trump. when you look at the exit polls yesterday, medicare for all had a majority in every state from what i saw this morning. the green new deal has lot of support. in wisconsin among independent voters there's a poll, it was the number one issue among inspe independent voters. those are the issues that bernie sanders is running on. if he talks about the issues around joe biden and some other things that aren't going to play as well in wisconsin that's what's going to matter. >> he did not win with that message. >> you still had a bunch -- that's because you still had a bunch of candidates. you have two people. those are the two messages you'll contrast. i believe that will be different when you look at the election on
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tuesday you'll see those are the two messages that people are deciding not among many candidates. i think this is the launch of the final phase of the campaign. bernie sanders will connect better in states like wisconsin. >> we'll see what happens. appreciate your time. >> join now by rachel. she's election forecaster and analyst and senior fellow at the kamen center. rachel, let me ask you first because representative is making the case there is still time to prove and sort of prove results. that bernie sanders message is directed at working class voters can win against joe biden. he's making that case. they have not shown it so far. do you see evidence in the state's coming up that he might be able to have different results going forward? >> before i answer, i have to say you look great in the 7:00 p.m. slot.
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no, i have to say i think that last night was a real demonstration of what we can see these candidates capable of producing and ultimately i think sanders is strength is younger generation both working class and college educated frankly. it's that age factor that is really predicting sanders support and as the congressman pointed out latino voters too are much more conducive for sanders. it's not going to make much of a difference to win in terms of who is supporting the candidate. >> let me put up this black voter support number. to prove senator sanders case, he would have had to do extremely well with young black voters even if he gave upmost older african-american voters. i see a split among younger voters that isn't that much.
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this is clip five for the producers. it was only 35 to 39. it wasn't as if there was a blow out as with older voters it was in favor of mr. biden. have we seen proof of concept yet that senator sanders can get the kind of turn out among young voters he needs to start winning in some of these larger, more diverse states? >> i have to echo rachel and say you really look good in the 7:00 hour as well. i have to say that. i have to say this first, what we saw last night as a student of politics myself and someone who teaches politics and worked in politics as long as they did, what we saw yesterday was remarkable. the comeback from joe biden was, i mean it was unheard of and he did it without much money. he did it without really a operation outside of south carolina and that's where we are with this race right now. it was because of black voters
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that joe biden's been catapulted into the position he's in. what joe biden has to do is can he turn and win a program, a field program. what's going on with bernie is he is not expanding his base. he's doing that quickly. we saw that in nevada. he got 51% when you look at the entrance polls there. he has to expand that electorate and he hasn't been able to do and he doesn't have a lot of time. one thing that bernie knows well is in 2016 as we saw, what you have decent lead in delegates, it's hard to catch up and right now it's a delegate game. >> yeah. i wish we had more time. thank you very much.
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thank you very much. biden is the front-runner again and he's also donald trump's worst nightmare. it was trump's attempt to get foreign governments to smear biden and his son that got him impeached. the rise and fall of mike bloomberg and elizabeth warren, half a billion dollars couldn't buy bloomberg a single state. he did get a territory. you keep asking me why didn't progressives rally around senator warren. trump is always more optimistic about coronavirus that his own experts. they are walking a fine line needing to tell the truth without making trump mad. is that any way to manage a crisis? we have much more to come so stay with us. we have much more to come so stay with us you know what's good about this? your sign's pointing at my sign, so people are gonna look at my sign.
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>> i don't think the president wants to face me. i will beat him, period. period. he's done everything in his power. he's even risked his presidency because he doesn't want to face me. >> welcome back. that was joe biden on the threat he poses for donald trump in an interview with the "today show" tomorrow. his campaign appeared to be on life support days ago. his resounding win in south carolina, propelled him into super tuesday with the momentum he needed to overtake bernie sanders. politico is reporting that trump's political operation is shifting its focus to biden and ramping up its efforts to convince sanders supporters that he's being robbed of the nomiwithin the party. trump tweeted today that the democrat establishment came together and crushed bernie sanders again. he labeled elizabeth warren a
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spoiler saying so selfish for wa warren to stay in race. she hurts bernie badly. for months mr. trump has told aides he believes he can shape the democratic race to his own advantage by focusing on specific candidates. i'm joined by white house correspondent for the pbs news hour. i'm going to jump over to you first. it does appear that the white house is attempting to shape the race by trying to outrage bernie sanders supporters in advance to try to make sure they don't colease with joe biden should he be the nomin, ma'amine, ma'a th. >> you have a president who son his heels. he's facing a number of challenges. the coronavirus that might have all sorts of complications inside the united states with
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the administration scrambling to get out more tests so people can know if they have the virus and you have the stock market doing well today. then you have the rise of joe biden, someone the president saw as his chief person he did not want to face. got himself impeached over trying to get information on joe biden and his son. the president problem is president trump is using language that is paralleling the russian bots pu it's paralleling allies of bernie sanders. people have been saying the democratic party is trying to cheat bernie oud t of it. i got an e-mail saying democrats are trying to steal the election from him. it's also democrats are saying these things which is feeding into this atmosphere of people feeling aggrieved if you're a bernie sanders supporter. >> i don't think black voters choosing joe biden is stealing an election. it's people voting. literally the day after the
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south carolina primary in which joe biden won big, you had the chairman of the homeland security committee in the united states senate, ron johnson, immediately say he wants to subpoena. he wants to issue a subpoena to hunter biden. this letter came immediately after the victory by biden. you then had the same senator, ron johnson, say about a biden insgraigs. this is quote. these are questions that joe biden has not adequately answered and if i were a democrat, primary voter, i'd want these questions answered. they are trying to do and complete the work that donald trump tried to get ukraine to do. >> it's members of congress, it's lawmakers acting as the president's political supporters in this way. using the subpoena power of the united states congress. let's not forget that lindsey graham who was a very good friend of joy biden from their time in the senate has said, he is fully ready to investigate
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hunter biden, bring him up there to talk about barisma. he said it's nothing personal. this is something that has to get done. these folks have proven time and again they are willing to be political, i don't want to use the word props but support for the president in his political goals through their legislative power. that's what we're seei ining he. >> let me play lindsey graham. >> do you think the senate republicans or republicans would go after him about ukraine and his son. >> if you in charge of the ukraini ukrainian anti-corruption campaign and your son is sitting on the most corrupt country, that will come up. >> what you have to say is not just senate republicans. you also have the department of the u.s. treasury cooperating when they were uncooperative with democrats who issued subpoenas regarding say donald trump's taxes, et cetera.
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now what we have is completely cooperation when it comes to republican requests on hunter biden. this feels like a collusion of republican senators, instruments of government under the president's control to hurt one person, one presidential candidate. >> president trump has made clear he expects the instruments of government to work for him and not for the american people. he's made no bones about that and we have seen folks falling into line on the hill and within his own administration. this gives lot of democrats pause about joe biden because he said if i'm the president, the republicans will have an epiphana and come back to work normal. people say see thenaive. how can he manage this will change. that's pause that a lot of democrats have expressed about joe biden in this role. >> clearly, it's not going to change. i want to swift gears on jeff sessions.
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jeff sessions is running to get back into the united states senate in alabama. here is what donald trump had to say about him. he still has a problem with him. this is what happens to someone who loyally gets appointed attorney general of the united states and doesn't have the wisdom or courage to stare down a poe phony witch hunt. what role do you think he'll wind occupy plup play ng that se in alabama? >> if he gets involved you can bet he will be trying to push back at jech sessiff sessions. he blames him for the russia investigation. russia was meddling and continue to try to meddle in our elections. you can picture him angrily typing that, fuming, where ever he is in the white house or on the plane somewhere because you can tell he is so angry at him. i think we'll see more of that anger continue.
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if you remember i entered the race for president to defeat donald trump and today, i am leaving the race for the same reason. to defeat donald trump because staying in would make it more difficult the achieve that goal. >> welcome back. that was bloomberg this even. he got in the race three months ago and has out spent every candidate combined by a wide margin. on super tuesday, the first time he appeared on any ballot he was only able to win one race. the primary in american somoa. ploom be senator elizabeth warren spent day with her team, figuring out what, if any path remains for her. not only did she not win any super tuesday states, she
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finished third in her home state of massachusetts. i'm joined by lily adams and tim obryan, thank you for much. i'm going to start with lily. i want to play for you something that i asked the producers to pull because it was such a memorable line. take a listen. >> e hiswliz take a listen. >> e hiswliabeth warren had thet bio and the best critique that corruption was killing the country. >> he was very dispienappointedt she didn't catch on more. i think people feel the same way about senator harris. why is it in your view that senator warren was not able to catch on more in that progressive lane. was it she explained how much it would cost to do medicare for all and she paid the price for that and bernie didn't? what do you think is the explanation? >> let's start with this, i think senator warren has run a
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remarkable campaign and deserves a lot of credit. not just for a lot of the ideas that have dominated the first part of this primary but also for, i think, the argument that she's made about corruption that we all need to take on and to take on donald trump. there will be a lot of times for who did what but i think she's contributed a lot to this race. there will be a lot more about why are no more women left in this race. the democratic party will have to ask about why no women are left in the race. >> i think tulsa gabbard is in it. >> sorry. >> i want to make the moment a lot of people remember as ether. >> i'd like to talk about who we're running against. a billionaire who calls women
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fat broads and horse faced lesbians. i'm not talking about donald trump. i'm talk about major bloomberg. are you willing to release all those women from those non-disclosure agreements so we can hear their side of the story? >> we have a very few non-disclosure agreements. >> how many is that? >> let me finish. >> none of them accuse me of doing anything other than maybe they didn't like a joke i told. >> we're just all kind of sort of assessing what happened. do you think that was the reason michael bloomberg was not able to go forward or do you think it was something else? >> i think every one recognizes that first debate was a real stumbling block for mike in many different ways. i think prior to that debate we were polling one or two in most of the key states. there had been a big surge around mike as the candidate to bet onto beat donald trump. i think that debate was a stumbling block. i think he bounced back after that debate but there's no
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question that was a moment. >> let's talk about what both of these candidates can establish going forward. senator warren is still in the race. there's a lot of argument, i'm hearing friends argue back and forth that the reason to stay in would be to keep the ideas she's put forward, all of her plans and ideas in the conversation. in the debates rather than have biden and senator sanders sort of yelling at each other on stage. you can have a third voice there. a voice of a woman that's in context and can allow that in. the argument for her to get out would be to clarify things and allow there to be a two person race and start to bring this all to an end. where do you fall on which of those two things would be better way for senator warren to go forward? >> look, i think you're right. she's incredibly smart. she's incredibly strategic. you saw that when she was trying to take on some of financial issues during the obama administration. i bet that's what she is trying to figure out what's the best way for her to do that. i can't answer that for her.
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i do know that she almost more than anybody left in the race is so committed to her agenda. she's going to do what's best to getting that agenda passed. that's why i think she's so beloved by so many democrats out there. >> i think for michael bloomberg, a lot of the talk among political operatives on the democratic side is he could go from somebody who was really kind of demonized for his past policies on policing to the hero on the democrat party side if he became a super pac. if he took what he built in terms of the ads he was able to run and made that a super pac that could help elect biden or senator sanders. is that something he's prepared to do? >> joy, we said from the beginning of the race mike was in this to beat donald trump. it would be in the service of party or whoever the nominee would be. as you know, we have talked about it, i don't think his
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traction with voters of color ultimately got undermine by stop and frisk. some people you know still put a lot of faith in his candidacy because of the totality of what he stood from. the advertising campaign was really focused on issues and on donald trump, the infrastructure we built benefits the party. i think mike sees this as the culmination of his life's work. of course he is going to want to keep all of these resources in play. >> i think donald trump might be a bit nervous about that. thank you very much. appreciate it. up next, the house and senate have agreed on plan allocated $8.3 billion to the coronavirus response. that's real money, but is it enough to keep the outbreak from getting a foothold here many the
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still fresh... ♪ unstopables in-wash scent booster ♪ ♪ downy unstopables the obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be detrimental to what we're doing and we undid
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the decision so the testing can take place in a much more accurate and rapid fashion that was a decision we disagreed with. i don't think we would have made it but for some reason it was made. we have undone that decision. >> that was donald trump blaming the obama administration, which is no longer here for the nationwide shortage of testing kits. trump has been under fire for his handling of the coronavirus outbreak. trump has offered a consistently rosier assessment of the situation than health experts have put forth unproven and false assertions. early today congress approved a $8.3 billion dollar fund to help fund a robust response to the virus. the package was nearly seven time what is the president initially requested. i'm joined by democratic congress of new york. congressman, i'll go to your first. the obama administration is gone. what do you make of this
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president who has gotten very poor grades for his handling of this outbreak so far blaming the previous president. >> the point is not to score political points. vulnerable populations. the problem with what he's talking about is that there has been an unconscionable delay in the scdc getting testing kits t all who need them. they do not provide guidance for the most vulnerable populations in the most vulnerable settings. what the trump administration has failed to do is to take this seriously and to coordinate a government response that would allow nursing homes, for example, to protect elderly patients because we know elderly people are particularly vulnerable. in new york where we had an outbreak in the hudson valley, every new yorker should have a protocol to screen who comes in,
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tests who has symptoms and to have the kits to do that and to have the knowledge about how to handle this so that we contain these outbreaks and we get treatment more quickly and we can do better tracing and we can effectively respond. the resources we passed today on the hill are essential, and it was outrageous that the president tried to do this on the cheap. this funding, so people understand, is consistent with the funding that has been passed previously for similar situations. it's what's necessary to have a full-blown government response. so we're getting there but days are going off the calendar. we could have learned much more, more rapidly from the chinese experience and from others around the world who are doing some things better and some things worse, and we can learn from that. but we need to do it in time to protect people from this virus. >> yeah, and you've had very recently, dr. gounder, dr. anthony fouchy had to carefully explain to donald trump that, no, there's not going to be a vaccine in three months, that that is actually not possible,
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and have to explain that to him. he didn't seem to understand it. meanwhile, you have members of congress, matt gaetz, of florida, going around the house floor in a gas mask. they're not causing lots of confidence to erupt around the nation. is there something they could be doing differently other than everything? >> well, i did find this afternoon's press conference actually somewhat reassuring. there were a lot of points made by vice president pence, tony fouchy, debbie burks and others that were reassuring in terms of what they were highlighting in moving forward. so there was clearly a recognition that the screening protocols and the dissemination of test kits was a problem. they are addressing that. i don't think it's happening fast enough, but at the same time it is happening finally. they did note nursing homes did need to be a priority here. there was also clearly an effort to address safety for travelers with a meeting with the airlines and also addressing how do we
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keep people who are working, how do they stay home if they need to stay home. how do we address school children. i think there are some gaps, however. i think if somebody wants to stay home from work because they have symptoms, how do we make that possible, especially if they are hourly workers. if kids have to stay home, what do we do in terms of child care or to help parents stay home with their kids. those are big gaps that still rema remain. >> congressman gaetz apparently said they come in contact with so many people in the public. there's also a clear recognition that there's a clear potential price that this president will pay for the poor handling so far and the poor grades he's getting and for its potential impact on the stock market, things like that. are they paying too much attention to those political ramifications. >> first of all, i think it was disgraceful that matt gaetz is joking about it or bringing light.
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going out of his way to bring a gas mask to the house floor is not easy to do first of all and it shows extraordinary insensitivity about people who lost loved ones and who are scared about what's going on. if you want to see an effective government leader, look at andrew cuomo. he's been out in public explaining what's going on. he's providing information. he's raised a sense of urgency without creating a panic. that's what we expect from government. so the things that the doctor just ticked off are not questions that the rest of us should be wondering about. this is when we look to our leaders. so the issue, joy, is not how this affects any of us political politically. it's having an effective bipartisan rapid response based on science that is going to save lives. >> indeed. thank you, congressman shawn patrick maloney. appreciate you and dr. celine gounder. appreciate you both. before we go, there's one more thing i want to say. tonight was the first time in 20 years that this hour was something other than hard ball wa chris matthews, a show that i've been watching since the
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first day it aired on msnbc. chris is not just the o.g. anchor, he's a friend and a mentor to me and everyone at msnbc. he's one of the most knowledgeable that i've ever met and chris once gave a political bit of wisdom to a group of our columnists and writers who were listening to him doing a talk in miami more than a decade ago. politics, he said, is where you put the wedge in. if it's between the rich and the middle class, the middle class feel like they identify with the poor, then democrats win. but if the wedge is between the poor and the middle class so that the middle class identified up, republicans win. he said we could steal that, so of course, i did. chris is not just smart and passionate about politics, he's also the guy who will make you laugh even in these crazy times and even send you an old irish
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tonight on "all in" --
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>> i'm here to report we are very much alive! >> a historic turnaround makes biden a front-runner in a two-man race. >> i'm glad to say i endorse joe biden. >> tonight, the impact of bloomberg's departure and endorsement. what we know about elizabeth warren's future and the remarkable turnout fueling the biden resurgence. then, more cases and more deaths. >> our hearts go out to those that have been affected with the disease in the seattle area. >> tonight, why the ongoing failure of the trump administration's coronavirus response is making things worse. >> i think treatment in many ways might be more exciting. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. the race to be the democratic presidential nominee has changed dramatically over the last three days and particularly in the last 24 hours. it is now effectively a two-person