"mtp daily" with chuck todd starts right now. welcome to thursday. it is meet the press daily. good evening i am chuck todd here in washington on a day when coronavirus fears are spreading they sent markets plummeting again today. the dow closed down nearly 1,000 points again, wiping out most of yesterday's gains. more evidence that wall street and the economy at large remains on edge. there are more than 200 cases across the country. tennessee and nevada are the newest states reporting their first cases. new cases were reported today in illinois, florida, new york, washington, and in california, which is now under a state of emergency. the governor of california declared the emergency after the state's first death that man developed symptoms while on a cruise ship, the same ship that is now being ordered to say

offshore and the passengers on the ship are being tested. they dropped testing kits from a had the. at least 21 people on board are showing some symptoms. washington state has been the hardest hit with another death reported there today bringing the total to 11, most of them connected to the outbreak at a nursing home outside of seattle. the number of cases rose sharply today in that state. washington officials are recommending people stay home and avoid large gathers. i will speak with the mayor of seattle. vice president mike pence is on his way to washington state where he will meet with inslee and how best to contain the spread. here in dc, the house approved $8.5 billion in federal funding. also on the hill today officials were pressed on comments president trump made last night where he seemed to down play the

threat of the virus. after briefing lawmakers those officials told reporters that the virus's mortality rate may be in the range of .1 to 1 trz which would be significantly lower than what the world health organization's report claims of more than 3%. more testing kits are being sent to labs across the country as the government tries to make more testing more widely available. until that testing is available we may not have a clear picture of the scope of the outbreak and might not know the mortality rate very well. it is that unsent that seems to be impacting, well, everything right now. the mayor of seattle, jenny durkin joins me now. caitlyn rivers of the johns hopkins center for health security. she's an expert in outbreak preparedness and response. mayor, i want to start with you. woe saw there are recommendations about large gatherings in your city. are you still in a containment

strategy or are we at mitigation right now? >> we are doing both, chuck. good to see you again. first i want to start each of these conversations with something to say -- the condolences to the families who have lost people and those who have people that are very sick. we have to remember also a gratefulness to our first responders and to our health care workers because they are working mightily to both contain and mitigate this. i think you touched upon the thing that has been most frustrating to local officials is we don't know the scope and location of all of these outbreaks because testing has been so limited. and so our number one ask to the federal government has been to expand that testing capability so that we really can determine what the scope this is, how we deal with it, and also if people content have the virus that they can get tested and know that so they can have relief. fear is spreading. >> yeah. >> we want people to have a sense of urgency, but not fear. and one of the ways we can do that is to have our health care

workers have the tools they need. >> this is why we wanted to have you on with caitlyn rivers. caitlyn rivers, respond to the mayor there. this issue of scope, the issue of testing, we don't have enough kits. at the same time there is a fear that we could overwhelm the system with all these tests. >> i think the mayor is absolutely right that understanding the open and scale of the outbreak is critical both to the public health response and to making sure that people get the medical care they need. so i am very excited that testing is now available at state and local public health labs. >> mayor, there is -- the new cases today, when we jumped from 40 -- mid 40s to now over 70 -- this is now a sense this is basically being passed around person to person, it is no longer just connected to one or two hot spots? >> i think that the medical

profession and the public health people believe that we have communication in the public at large. most of the cases we have had that are the most acute and the fatalities have been to those locations that we know that are the hot spots. but i think one thing that's going to be very important for your viewers to know, todd, is that as we test more people we likely will confirm more cases. >> right. >> it doesn't mean it is spreading more quickly. it just means we finally have the level of testing we need to detect all the cases that are there and take the appropriate public health response. >> mayor i am glad you said that. would it be a lot easier for you if federal officials essentially said look we are going to have a lot more cases. that doesn't mean it's out of control. it just means we are testing better. that is not a message we are getting from the federal government directly. >> i think that that would be helpful, again, i defer to the

public health professionals we have here. if you look at the research community people believe there is more widespread virus but obviously most of those cases are mild. as we test more people we expect we will detect more. agaifear. we should operate from urgency because this have not just public health impacts but great economic impacts to our community. >> caitlyn rivers i would like you to jump in on this. the how we are discussing this in public. it does make it seem right now that we are so concerned about the virus spreading that there is fear of -- there is so much fear of it that it may be leading people to make some rash zigts. should we be preparing the country more for, look, this is going to spread, there may be thousands of cases but that doesn't mean there is going to be thousands of deaths and things like that? >> i think that messaging is

exactly right. i think it is important the give people concrete actions they can take to protect the health of themselves and their families. hand washing is important. it is also good to emphasize when it is appropriate to wash your hands. i like to say when you come inside to your home, to your office, when you eat, before you spend time with someone who is very old or very young. >> mayor, we are seeing more and more companies essentially either voluntarily telling workers to stay away if you want to work from home, what's going on with amazon and facebook in the washington, in the seattle area, where they are encouraging folks not come in because they have had a couple of instances. what should these workplaces do? what should companies be doing right now, caitlyn rivers? >> finding those opportunities to allow people to stay home is really important. certainly, if a company is set up to allow the workers to stay

possible, where there is interaction with the community hand washing breaks, alcohol based hand sanitizers will help as well. any opportunity we can find to encourage people to stay home when they are able to i think is going to be a great intervention for the public. >> mayor, i have seen -- i have got friends in seattle. this isn't a ghost town. people are going about their lives. what do you make of the decisions by amazon and facebook in particular? >> we have been in really close communication with all of our large and small employers. the city of seattle has over 15,000 employees. we learned from our public health officials that one of the ways we can contain is to have some social distancing so people can work from home. that will help slow the he had super of the virus. i think the world health organization learned that from both china and italy. we think it is a of

workers obviously who can't work from home. if you talk about minimum wage workers or gig economy workers. we have to take steps to protect those people and our small businesses that may not have those capabilities. we have been in close communication with the large companies. i think they are taking appropriate steps. workers in the city of seattle. s we get more information from public health officials, we will dial that up or down depending on what they advise. >> mayor durkan, how do you feel about sea-tac at this point. what are your concerns about air travel right now. >> we have talked to theport of seattle, which operates as a separate government entity which operates our seaport as well as our airports. they are taking appropriate teps and are in our discussions listening to the public health people. they have to work closely with

the federal authorities to determine if there are additional measures that have to be taken for travelers coming from known places where there have been significant outbreaks. i think that will continue to evolve. we will have to stay in close communication with them and rely on some of the determinations they make as well. >> caitlyn rivers, when you see how the cases of have spread in the united states, they have come, they have been in states that it is obvious -- internationally, you know, the fact that it was the seattle area, and san francisco, and l.a., and of course illinois, with chicago. let me ask you this. what is your advice to these larger cities with these large airports that have international flights in and out? a lot of domestic travel coming in and out. at what point do you think we can or should mitigate air travel. >> i think that comes with enormous economic costs and is a very complex question. again i think our best point of intervention is teaching people how to keep themselves healthy

and those around them. it goes back to staying home if you are sick. cancel your travel even if you already have it set up. go ahead is stay home. use alcohol-based hand sanitizer while you are on the owe. wash your hands. they sound basic but they will reduce transmission and i think we need to teach people how to do them and do them well. >> caitlyn rivers, on the spread of the virus, did we know how easily it spreads? i know we are learning more every day. are there some thing we know today that we didn't know last week? >> i don't know about last week but early in an outbreak it is always good to have more and more information and have your early observations confirmed. sometimes what we thought we knew does change. we continue to believe at this point that the virus is spread through close personal contact, things like shaking happened, maybe coming in contact with someone who has coughed or sneeze into the air are transmission opportunities. >> and mayor durkan, given in a

so many case, the deaths were connected to that one senior center, the one facility, what have you learned from that experience? what are you doing with -- what are you recommending for other nursing -- older senior facilities, whether it is assisted living, urs inning homes, et cetera, what protocols do you think need to change based on the experience that king county has had with this one facility? >> the state, the county, and the city all work with senior centers and senior congregate meals and the like. we are taking a range of things to make sure that we can try to keep seniors safe. i think the county has been forward-leaning in looking at all the other senior centers they operate to make sure they can learn the best lessons from this trammic incident. we ourselves are trying to make sure that if we can no longer have for example, congregate meals for seniors we have another way to get them society as well as some meals. we know that's a particularly

vulnerable population. if you look at any of the reporting from any of the countries, our seniors are the most vulnerable. and we need to take particular care there. >> caitlyn rivers it seems as though in the senior centers when one gets it it's hard -- quarantine makes you feel like you are more likely to get it. it makes you feel like the senior facilities are almost traps. >> there are known infection control strategies that i expect long term care facilities are already implementing and hopefully doubling down on, things like making sure that workers have appropriate precautions and they know the best way to prevent infection between people in the facility. making sure that visitors are well. sometimes cohorting can be implemented where patients with particular medical vulnerables are kept together and interactions with those patients are managed particularcly carefully. there are strategies that can be put into place and i expect those always have relevant.

>> mayor -- >> todd -- >> go ahead. >> one last thing. it goes back to testing and how important it is. part of the problem at this center people presented to the hospital, they had the symptoms but they weren't tested because cdc protocols and the availability of testing. that's another reason why we need more widespread testing because if senior citizen has pneumonia like symptoms that we can test to eliminate that it is covid. >> an important last word. quite the challenge. good luck with you, we are all with you on that. caitlyn rivers, thanks for sharing your expertise from johns hopkins. much appreciated. coming up, the coronavirus is also a disrutting force in the economy. it could become a disrupting force in our politics in an election year. that's ahead. and later, bernie sanders has a math problem. we are busting out the big board to show you why biden's chances of getting the nomination are even greater than they seem. a,

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welcome back. coronavirus uncertainty means economic uncertainty, which means political uncertainty. the markets plunged again today as the number of cases continue to rise and as countries around the word are extending quarantines and travel restrictions and the event cancellations continue the grow. so does public awareness about the situation. a new poll found that 92% of all reg verdict voters have read seen or heard news about thist spread this virus. on main events like this, as fractured of a society this is, when you get something in the 90s that means it is all over the place. joining me, mark murray, donna edwards, michael steele, and for now, reporter for the daily beast but soon to be at politico, nancy swan. we celebrate both employers. >> exactly how i feel.

>> the beast of the politico. the politico beast. >> exactly. >> this economic uncertainty, mark, coupled with what we have seen, like there is the markets, anxiety is the virus that is spreading fastest right now in this country. and it is -- it seems to be impacting everything. >> let me read off some of the other numbers in the poll. 61% of the reg verdict voters ended up saying they are concerned including a quarter who are very concerned. >> i have a graphic to put up. keep going. >> 59% say they have had conversations how this might impact their family. it has penetrated the american public. then you get to the economic part that you were just talking about. so much of this u.s. economy right now is on consumer driven. and all of a sudden if you have some kind of disruption like that, even though it doesn't last a while, it could really impact thing. >> you know, look, the president's comments got a lot of attention, so much attention

that for some reason an hour ago the trump campaign put out a press release. let me put it up here. fact, top health officials agree with president trump's coronavirus comments. cnn and its democrat allies spread misinformation and mislead americans once again. that's a -- the president and his campaign people keep treating this like a political problem. i really think they are just -- they seem to be not fully aware of how problematic that could turn out. >> it sounds like magical thinking. it sounds like an effort to treat this inevitable burgeoning public health crisis like it is something that's manageable by messaging and tweets. if you have a tweet, everything looks like it is 140 characters. and that's the way right now the trump campaign is handling this. and it is not going to work. >> you heard the mayor -- i mean the mayor is sitting there, look, we know there are more

cases. the administration is still trying to say look what we have done. we have contained it. no, we probably weren't testing. you are spiking the football where you may find out none of that was true. >> there is not another tool in the tool books for this president worse than him stepping on it and saying he was wrong is stepping out of it. letting health professionals deal with it. which is the smart thing to do. health care wise and economically and politically. >> he does it on a hunch. loo, this is an administration whose credibility has been questioned you know, before, this isn't the time to mess around with this? >> the last thing we need is actually a president who is substituting his judgment for the judgment of public health professionals. >> or perceived to be doing it.

whether he is doing it or not, or perceived to be. >> i think from the public perspective when we on the outside hear schools are closing, people are beginning to restrict their travel, not going into the workplace -- our anxiety is already at a high level. we actually need a president who sort of down grades his anxiety onto us. i don't think we have that. i was pleased to see the seriousness with which the congress views this. the president asked for a couple of billion dollars. congress said i don't think so. we have got to put, you know, what is it $8.3 billion that they have allegated? they are being serious about this because they know we are in a crisis mode. and the politics of the president sending out press releases from his campaign -- never would imagine we would be dealing with a public health crisis from a campaign office. >> that's what was so weird torque get it from a campaign

office. s in what the professionals have said about the mortality rate. let me play that from this modern's press conference. >> the best estimates now of the overall mortality rate for co d covid-19 is somewhere between .1% and 1%. >> when you lock at what the -- when you look at what the w.h.o. -- numbers that they gave, it is pure arithmetic. what it doesn't take into account is the people who don't come to the attention of the medical community. what the w.h.o. numbers that you see do not take into account the people who don't come into contact with the medical facility. that's the reason between the difference of a 2 to 3% mortal and a model of what it might be with a big range if you counted people who are asymptomatic. >> if the president had last night said, you know, my guys

are tell me that that's a high number, okay. >> you have to be precise in your language. >> actually in a public health crisis. >> chuck, one of the things we cover in this 2020 presidential election, we have covered many other presidential campaigns, you have worked on them. one of the things that we -- i think gets ignored or short changed is what would you do as a candidate when there is a crisis going on? we ask these questions at debates. but the simulation of -- i do think that in 2016 and in other presidential elections instead of like what's the crisis, how would you end up dealing with it is a question that probably doesn't get asked enough. >> betsy, having a former vice president as your potential nominee, this is actually each -- this is time when he should be acting more, quote, presidential, because you don't want the other guy on the outside look like the calming reassuring guy. >> that's not the case right now. i had a conversation earlier today with a republican member of congress who was in a briefing yesterday with vice

president pence as well as executives from pharmaceutical companies and the member said the briefing was quite sobering and the message that those members came away with is that coronavirus is going to be here for quite some time and it is going to be comparatively widespread. these are facts. it is like predicting a weather event. >> which is, again, prepare the public. >> right. >> don't like -- instead, he's writing his own problems. >> right. i think the vice president is an excellent face for this for the administration. he is calming. he's sober. he's reassuring. >> it wasn't the vice president who made the comments i mischaracterized. but it was part of a briefing that he led. >> his briefings, he has been smart. have you noticed he backs off? he does what he does and says okay? he allows the professionals to handle it. >> one of the things you can glean from it. it is one that the narcissism in the president that doesn't allow him to back off. every time i listen to dr. fauci

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that there are two lanes, a progressive lane that bernie sanders is the incumbent for, and a moderate lane that joe biden is the incumbent for. and there is no room for anyone else in this. i thought that wasn't right. but evidently, i was wrong. >> will you be making an endorsement today? we know that you spoke with bernie sanders and joe biden today. >> not today. i want some space around this and want the take time to think a little bit more. >> it was an emotional day for elizabeth warren as she talked about dropping out of the race and all the pinky promises she made to young girls. joining me now from came original, massachusetts, alley vitale and liz good win joins us from here in dc.

ali, you got her to give more on the issue of no women left in this race than many reporters have in the past. tell me about it, what you saw today, the elizabeth warren that you saw today and as the candidate that you covered. >> i found her to be more open on gender in recent weeks in interviews i have done with her in the past. and certainly today. i think more than anything there is the political piece of it, who is she going to endorse? where are her supporters going to go? those are important and valid questions. there is the personal piece of it. clearly she was emotional. i asked her what her message would be for women and girls who are upset with the choices they have now, anall male field after the most diverse field ever.

she mentioned the pinky promise. it was something she would do with young girls who she encountered in the selfie line and out here on the road telling them i am running for president because that's what women do. perhaps that's the most lasting combat of the warren campaign. i just met mom and flowers who were leaving flowers and a card for elizabeth warren at her house. the girl is 14 years old, she is ready for a woman president. that's the lasting impact of a candidate like elizabeth warren. >> liz, you covered warren from the start of her political career. is she going to be happy returning to the united states senate? >> that's good question. i think she has always had a different approach to the senate. >> different than any other massachusetts senator we have seen in the history. >> she has always done inside/outside game and brought a progressive movement behind her. she packs a punch.

when she takes a stand that annoys other democrats she was accused of not being a team player in the past. she brings muscle, outside activists to pressure and make the changes she wants. i could see her going back to the senate and trying to make an impact there again. i think she will want to stay very involved in whoever the nominee -- whoever that becomes in sort of shaping their policy and especially their personnel. >> i get the sense that in a sanders administration she mate have a role. i don't know what kind of role a biden administration would offer her. that's why i am curious, where will she find some room to flex her policy chops? >> i think joe biden -- we know he has a young voter problem. and elizabeth warren, she wasn't able to get it done but she has always had strength with younger voters. she was vying with bernie on that for a while during her high point, they were almost like 50/50. >> right. >> she could -- i think she has

stuff to offer joe biden. >> right. >> i don't know if he -- i am not sure where his head is at on that. we know both sides are pursuing her, trying to get her endorsement. obviously there is desire there. but i take your point that it is unclear where she would fit? >> alley vitale, it seems to me her diagnosis of both of those candidates she has to pick from is i think she thinks bernie is too stubborn and biden is too conciliatory, biden stops the fight too fast and bernie never knows when to stop fighting. >> yeah, i think that's a great paraphrase. >> right. this logic of hers, the way -- you know, she's logical thinker, where does that leader? to biden or sanders? >> i don't know. i feel like that's really the question. today she really couldn't say enough times that she wants to take beat and reassess where she is at. this decision in and of itself to drop out of the race weighed heavily on her. all of her aides and advisers

were trying to give her the space and time she needed to make the decision on her own terms. but back to what liz was saying, i think while it may be difficult for her to find a role in a biden cabinet, a lot of other candidates are falling in behind the biden movement right now. what an elizabeth warren endorsement would do for somebody like joe biden is give him sort of a surprising lending of credential there, really, from the progressive end of the spectrum. she criticized him for nibbling around the edges and not being progressive enough. that endorsement could carry a lot of weight and be a big detraction to bernie sanders. >> you are nodding a lot. >> i totally agree. >> what would surprise you more,

a bernie sanders or joe biden endorsement? >> that's a good question. there has been had blood between the warren and sanders camp. it would help biden a lot. >> the question is, does warren view it as something -- as worth giving him her credibility? >> i think that's a good question. policiwise, closer to sanders, no question. >> sure. >> but i also think that people underestimated the amount of head knocking those two have done as well in this race. >> she is willing to work behind the scenes, she is a negotiator more than people give her credit for sometimes. coming up, we will dive into what is now a one on one battle between biden and sanders. we will take a trip over to the big board to show you what's coming. that's next. at's next.

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welcome back. as the democratic primary field got smaller told, joe biden's pledged delegate lead over bernie sanders got bigger.

biden now has a 59 detective lead over bernie sanders hafr more texas delegates were reported this morning. according to our political unit we have 315 delegates from tuesday remaining unallocated. 151 of them come from california. a majority of those will go to bernie. 164 come from all the other states. where biden had some of his best results. the point is, biden's delegate lead is more likely to grow over sanders, even as all the california delegates come in. earlier i went to the big board with cook politico report david wasserman and looked at the upcoming primary schedule and the geographical challenge it presents for bernie sanders. you know these election torts as well as anybody. you they which are biden election torts, sanders. we will go west to east.

washington state, can he win it or is this a sanders state? >> it should be sanders state. >> idaho, primary time. was a caucus, was big win on the caucus side of thing. still a sanders? >> we have to assume because he did so well in '16 in the caucus there. >> my ss are terrible. i will draw those again. north dakota caucuses this time, that goes to bernie? >> that, too. >> missouri, that's a bigger state. it feels -- are we going -- claire mccaskill means a joe biden? >> it is a high african-american share of the democratic vote in that state. write a b there. >> all right. mississippi, we saw what happened in alabama. >> that's a big b. >> it is going to be a killing fields if you will when it comes the delegates there. then michigan. do you feel like there is an advantage pour either one? >> well. >> it is a sanders state from

2016. after a setback on super tuesday, bernie has no chase but to win states that he won in 2016. so you have got say -- >> i don't know. i am going to call it a toss up. >> well, i think biden has an excellent chance the win it. >> since it was a sanders state it becomes a must win for them. there you have it. do some math there and you lock at i would rather bed bien on this number. let's move over. march 17th, what i am calling junior tuesday. a bunch of states. sanders has to win arizona. can he? >> it is southwestern, latino, younger. that's the type of electorate that ought to favor him. >> what do you think. >> a tossup. >> illinois? biden? >> absolutely. >> ohio. it has to be a sanders state if he wants to make the case he is better to go against trump, right? >> that's right.

but on super tuesday biden did very well in appalachian counties of virginia and tennessee. >> toss up or sanders or biden. lean biden. oh, and florida we are not even going to same i think mr. castro has spoken there. it has to be a biden state. >> the best demographics in the country for joe biden in terms of an older vote, substantial african-american vote and the latino moat that's more moderate than in texas and california. >> this goes the way we think it is going to go this ends the contest. >> right, for every decent bernie state left on the map there is a bigger biden county weight like florida. >> march 24th, 29th. this is a biden state. puerto rico will be a tossup? >> yeah. we don't know much about how that's going. draw a t. >> 51 delegates. april 4th and april 7th.

wisconsin, a sanders state. as toup or leaning sanders? >> i would say as toup given minnesota. but -- >> fair enough. louisiana, wing we know, the south speaks to pied snooep yeah. >> wyoming caucuses, we have th. smaller numbers, bigger numbers. hawaii, biden. >> we assume so. >> won louisiana, split in wisconsin even though sanders could win more states,ed bien gets more delegates. >> the proportional allocation on the democratic side means it is hard to build a lead and even harder to overtake. >> if it is still even, the northeast day, new york, pennsylvania the big ones. pennsylvania you have got to assume, that's aed bien state, no? >> he is going do very well in the southeast most likely and probably also scranton, the northeast. >> maryland, delaware, we know where those are going to go.

how about connecticut? that is quirky. it feels like sanders could do well. >> it has progressive activists and a high income democratic electorate. that's offset. i would leaned bien there. >> yeah. >> rhode island, a big biden in my opinion. you throw those there. put that there. then new york? >> well, new york, you have got a pretty big non-white population in the city. and you have got a distressed up state vote that might go for bernie but i think the city outweighs upstate. >> you might put that biden, too. we just did all of this, you basically wiped out sanders. you are a little -- it sounds like you are bearish on sanders. >> there has to be a seismic shift in the race once again to allow bernie sanders to have a chance. what we know from past years is that super tuesday can be very tough to overcome. >> it is, and when you are down to two candidates, we already know how the demographics look. unless their coalitions change, we have a feeling we know where this is headed. dave wasserman, this is

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and see if that's true. i am the guy that helped bail out the automobile industry. what did you do, old buddy? come on. >> there you go. there are mark, betsy and donna are still with us. here's what we did to take a look at where elizabeth warren supporters may go. her number one group was always white women with college degrees. she was second or third always on that and a lot of the -- i'll show you the exit polls from california. biden won women with college degrees. white women with college degrees in minnesota. biden 26, and i know we have a virginia one where he fin lgsed ahead of sanders on that. what that seems to indicate is it probably splits, doesn't move in one direction. >> it doesn't but here's where

elizabeth warren could give some creedance to biden as not offense chb to the progressesives. which is the role she wanted to play and i think she's probably going to look for -- if i were advising her. i'm not. she's going to look for ways in which her plan, her agenda can be elevated by either one of the presidentials. it's not clear to me whether that would be bernie or biden. i think we have to wait and see. >> this is a case where she shouldn't be in a hurry, should she? >> i mean, look at the math shy went over. if she were to help bernie, where does that help politically? if she supports biden how does she help? i think she holds back and a unifying force so if it's biden

he gets the progressives with the concession that she gets things in the platform. a say of some personnel. she has concessions on certain areas that are policies important to her. >> i get all that. i have -- i don't know what she wants and i think she needs to decide that too. and does she want to be a powerful senator or a role in the administration? >> i think what's important about her is she's in the driver seat and is currently the most important endorsement, short of the obamas, up for the grabs now. and part of the reason her endorsement is so important is if south carolina taught us kbk and this is a little metta but important to note. media coverage at this point in the primary is more important than tv ads. if you have someone like warren,

major, credible influential figure with a big donor list and they support you, we're going to pay attention. >> and they're already putting a former presidential candidate to use. >> and they need the help they can have. and what's powerful is there party was coming together. bernie sanders thinks somebody says who is going to join me because of those kinds of movements and they're about to participate, you want to see movement on some side. so, bernie sanders, even after his victory in new hampshire and nchb nv didn't get a slew of congressional endorsement. >> it's not clear he's reaching out to get those endorsements. >> he's not making those calls? >> i mean i know from past experience -- >> i mean i say that because

doesn't jim clyburn seem to indicate the same thing. >> my colleague broke that story and confirmed it. >> he's seen it matter. like, does he come back from a heart attack? he's not bothering to ask? >> we have to remember as well with elizabeth warren, she was one of the most powerful advocates on the stump when she did endorse it. so, people with concerns about hillary, having elizabeth warren throughout was a difference maker for people. >> i want to let you keep the floor here. i'm not going to bother the control room to put up the quote she said about the gender issue. she says -- she called it a trap question when you get asked about it. she said if you say yes there, was sexism in the race, everybody said you're a whiner and if you say there was no sexism about a buzillion women

think what are you talking about? >> there's not a women candidate alive, myself included, who hasn't lived that exactec experience. we were on your sunday show talking about her quote unquote likability. they dogged her in a way you never would have with male candidates. and she couldent really say it because you're dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. and we got to get a grip on this. we've had six women candidates running -- and we don't ask the same questions of men in the same way and in the same expectations we have of women candidates >> i actually think we celebrate toughness in men who are unlikable. an unlikable man is tough. an unlikable woman is not electable.

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we'll be back more with more "meet the press daily" and we sit down with elizabeth warren. and good evening, ari. >> a lot of us will be watching that elizabeth warren interview tonight. we're live from los angeles where this state is still counting counts and awarding further delegates. >> i will not be running for president in 2020 but i guarantee i will stay in the fight for the hard working folks across this country. >> i wonder what your message to be with women and girls who know we're left two white men to decide between? >> i know one of the hard parts is all those petty promises