a threat. >> fellow brooklynites here. >> the remarks came after mitch mcconnell accused him yesterday of trying to quote bully our nation's independent judiciary and later attack democratic lawmakers for undermining and threatening u.s. institutions. >> that does it for us. "morning joe" starts right now. the >> we are concerned that in some countries the level of political commitment and the actions that demonstrate that commitment do not match the level of the threat we all face. >> we're giving, i think, really given tremendous marks. you look at gallup poll, other polls for the way we've handled it. >> this is not a drill. >> it will all work out. >> this is not a time for excuses. >> they made some designates which were not good decisions. we inherited these decisions they made. that's fine. >> this is not the time to give

up. >> people are now staying in the united states, spending their money in the u.s. and i like that. the head of the world health organization in geneva, and donald trump on fox news. good morning and welcome to "morning joe". it is friday, march 6th along with joe, willie and me we have donny deutsch. republican strategist and msnbc political analyst susan del percio and associate editor of the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. great to have you all on board on this friday morning. what a week. >> what a week it's been. we can start, of course, willie, with american politics. which, i think, has seen one of the most dramatic changes for any candidate or even actually a presidential primary in one week's time that we've ever seen. it was a week ago that joe biden

was still considered to be on the ropes, a guy out of money, a guy with no organization to speak of, who had no offices in many of the key states. he was considered to be on his last leg. one week later he is the dominant force in democratic politics. the president laying off of him. mayor pete got out of the race, amy klobuchar, got out of the race. yesterday elizabeth warren got out of the race. the dominos are falling quickly. nothing short of extraordinary. >> absolutely stunning, joe. as you say rightly a week ago right now as we sat here we knew that joe biden was going to win south carolina. we had a good sense of that. remember bernie sanders had pulled up stakes, conceded the state to him. but we didn't know what that win would mean for super tuesday. we wondered if it would be a south carolina story, because he had long support there with african-american voters or something bigger. it was something much, much bigger than we anticipated or,

again, even in the biden campaign anticipated. talking to people around his campaign even on tuesday night as these results were coming in they were stunned. they were shocked. as you say the establishment and democrats are falling in line with people across the michigan is, the governor there falling in line make being her endor endorsement on this show yesterday a state he would like to snatch away from bernie sanders. this race changed entirely because of south carolina as it served as a spring board. >> now it looks as if, mika, sanders is going to cede the south. he's pulling up stakes in mississippi. michigan appears to be his waterloo. we'll see how that goes. his waterloo if he loses it. getting back to the clips that we've showed on the way in, we had the head of the world health organization and other health experts across the planet say that the crisis is here. >> yeah. >> and yet governments,

including our own, i would say, especially our own, other than china, are responding in a clumsy, hand fisted way and unfortunately just as you had with china the at the beginning of this outbreak you have the president of the united states who actually is spreading disinformation, trying to tell everybody there's nothing to worry about, telling people to go back to work if they want to. his words, go back to work while you have the coronavirus. that is the quickest way to turn this epidemic into a pandemic. president of the united states also this week saying that it will go away magically. >> a miracle. >> going to be a miracle. you look at all of his statements and almost as if donald trump is actively working to tank the stock market. it keeps collapsing for a reason. it's collapsing because airline officials are panicked. they are going to the president of the united states talking about possibly the worst drop

that they've ever had in business. it rivals and may actually end up being far worse than what happened on 9/11. he talks about supply chains across the planet being broken up. he thinks that actually being cheerful and lying to the american people -- and there are obvious lies -- lying to the american people about the disease, the virus, about being able to work even if you have the virus. talking about how it's going to go away when the weather warms up. it's only making the markets more concerned which is why once again we had a collapse on wall street yesterday and once again this morning stock futures way down. >> so, his advisors, people say it's not right for him to lie about this or to mischaracterize it. the rubber will need road for this president politically.

this is where his lies don't work for people at all. that will be uniform across america, including his people. >> donny, can i talk to you about that. talk about if you're a ceo whether you're a republican or a democrat, and you have this crisis coming, there's only one thing you need. you need truth. you need certainty. and what i've learned from really great leaders in the past is they give the bad news upfront. they tell you this is what's going to happen. it's going to be bad. this is how we prepare for it. then you prepare for it. when it the turn out to be not as bad as you prepared for, suddenly you look at that later and say she knows what she's doing. >> why would we expect a president who lies on the average of 7.4 times a day to tell the truth about something important. leadership is about honesty. the market is reacting to the one thing that they always react

to, uncertainty. here's the speech donald trump needs to hear. look this, is serious. we're going figure it out. the best people in the world are working on it. we're going to have every other day update. and that it is. the there's only one way to handle it. direct, truthful, strong and you can still put a, i don't want to say happy face on it but say we'll figure it out. we're united states of america and i'm here to protect people and we're going to go overboard to protect people. where he's doing the opposite. he's leaving people unprotect. one more instance of his behavior. >> we're supposed to be leading on this. as joe mentioned the front page of the "new york times" reports coronavirus could wipe up to 113 billion in worldwide airline revenues this year alone. a staggering new blow to the industry. in seattle with major businesses like twitter, google and facebook telling employees to work from home.

some business owners say the city feels like a ghost town. we have this new video from the california air national guard hovering over a cruise ship that's now being held off the coast of california. these are troopers delivering test kits after several passengers showed symptoms and officials learned that a patient who died in california earlier this week had recently traveled on that same ship. more than 3,500 passengers and crew are on board that ship right now. we're told 45 people have been tested. results are expected later today. officials with the new york city department of health say they are keeping an eye on more than 2700 residents who are currently under quarantine. that comes as the number of confirmed cases doubled in new york state thursday from 11 to 22. colorado announced its first two cases, while maryland announced its first three cases and joined florida, washington state and california in declaring states

of emergency. this morning also the u.s. also reported its 14th death from the virus. the 13th for washington state. there are currently 230 cases in the u.s. so far. but as we reported experts say many, many people are likely to be infected but are walking around undiagnosed. on monday the trump administration said it would have to close a million -- it would have close to a million tests available by the end of the week. now we're learning the administration will miss that goal by a long shot. able to provide only 75,000 tests. this is a big problem. 75,000. >> what is going on? >> the senate yesterday -- >> we're a country of 300 million and getting 75,000 kits out? >> the senate -- >> at this late date. >> the senate yesterday approving the $8.3 billion emergency spending package the

house passed the day before. the vote was one short of unanimous, 96-1 with senator rand paul casting the dissenting vote. the legislation will provide funding towards research into vaccines, helping health agencies respond to the virus and helping provide more medical supplies and pharmaceuticals. again, willie, not going to help the problem right now where you have so many people potentially and most possibly walking around undiagnosed and literally absolutely not enough test kits to go around. >> if you listen to people dealing with this on the ground like mayor de blasio, he's pleading we need the test kits. as you just said they are not being made available. the uncertainty on wall street surrounding the coronavirus continues for a second straight week as stock futures again point to a significant drop this morning. let's bring in cnbc's dominic chu. how is it looking?

>> volatile again. in the last couple of hours, when we started our air on 5:00 a.m. the dow was down by 300 points. since then we were down as much indicated by 700 some points on the dow. recently 500 to 600. it gives you and idea how volatile the sessions have been over the last couple of weeks. believe it or not today the attention might turn a little bit less towards the stock market and more towards the bond market. the reason why i say that is because over the course of the last 24 hours, interest rates in the united states on u.s. government bonds have hit historically low levels. we're talking about .7%. that's how much yield interest you'll get on owning ten years worth of u.s. government debt. now that issue, ironically enough is what president trump has been asking for quite some time. he wants lower interest rates. i'm not sure this is the way he wanted to get it. with those very low interest rates the question for many traders, guys, is whether or not

those low interest rates are indicative of what could be expected of a slow down in the u.s. and global economies. typically bond interest rates yields don't go down slow unless you're expecting things to get really slow or possibly recessionary. as we watch what happens with the stock market, you mention guys the $113 billion in possible lost revenues for the global airline business. you mentioned the fact that in the seattle area many of these tech companies are telling their employees to stay home. we learned from facebook, the social media giant is telling its san francisco bay area employees that they should work from home now and suspend all of their business travel in and out of the region. so all of this at some point will start to manifest itself in the economic data. the question for many is when we'll start seeing that slow down play out in the actual economic data numbers. that's reason why you're seeing volatile trade on wall street. >> numbers are staggering.

thanks so much. with a boost in contributions, following his success on super tuesday, multiple people familiar with joe biden's campaign tell the "new york times" that he's looking to broaden his communications and political teams. and re-order some of the senior most roles in his operation. according to the "times" biden's advisors are in discussion with jennifer o'malley dillon who last year managed beto o'rourke's presidential bid. mike bloomberg has reportedly pledged to help biden's campaign after ending his own 2020 bid and endorsing the former vice president the "times" reports advisors to bloomberg caution they were still at an early stage of determining how he would redeploy elements of his campaign apparatus now that he's no longer a candidate. while they intended to target president trump for defeat in a number of swing states, could it

be a while before the details of those plans come in to focus. and as for senator sanders he's cancelled a planned speech in jackson, mississippi today and will instead travel to campaign in michigan. the "new york times" points out that the change in plans suggests that sanders will not challenge biden for the support of black voters in the south, a vital base in the democratic party, and is instead going all in on the midwest as he tries to compete with biden for working class voters there. >> gene robinson, we've talked about this a while, been talking about it this week especially. we had all of these candidates who everybody was talking about for two years that had no connection with black voters especially in the south, whether it was mayor pete or amy or elizabeth warren or whether it was bernie sanders. and it is pretty shocking that so many people would start and

continue a campaign and so many others would suggest they could win the democratic primary without any support among the most important constituency in the democratic party. here we see again despite all these guarantees in the past four years bernie sanders made no inroads into the black community. in fact, he's doing the same or worse than he did four years ago. i just -- it's stunning. i think, again, biden is the only guy left standing because biden is the only guy who had support, large support among black voters. it's not hard. it's just not hard to figure out. everybody is wringing their hands. why did that person get out of the race. it's not fair. if you're pulling 5% of black voters across the southeast you're going to lose. >> yeah. there's no way you're going to be the democratic nominee. you're going to get creamed in

those primaries as the other candidates did on super tuesday, as bernie sanders did, and the figures he's getting down there among black voters are almost identical to what he got four years ago. it's incredible. look black voters in the south, you know, when i was in south carolina in advance of the primary down there, i can't t l tell -- can't overemphasize how pragmatic and cold eyed voters i talked to were about this race and about bernie and about joe and bernie just didn't make the sale. people just weren't convinced. they knew joe biden. they liked joe biden. when jim clyburn came out with his emotional and strong

endorsement, people okay that's right. and they went with it. it had this incredible ripple effect across the south and i mean i understand why bernie sanders is basically throwing in the towel but the thing is if you throw in the towel on african-american voters i didn't see a path. maybe he thinks that working class whites in the midwest are going to somehow save his candidacy. it's just difficult for me to imagine that. he's going get creamed in mississippi, he's going get creamed in florida. and i just don't see this ending well for bernie if he's going forfeit that constituency, the heart and soul of the democratic party. >> bernie won michigan in 2016. he knows he has to win michigan this time or it's the end. senator elizabeth warren officially now has dropped out of the 2020 presidential race. leaving joe biden and bernie

sanders fighting to win over warren supporters. speaking to supporters outside of her cambridge, massachusetts home yesterday senator warren said she would not be endorsing another candidate right away though she said she has spoken to both biden and sanders. >> so, i announced this morning that i am suspending my campaign for president. i say this with a deep since of gratitude for every single person who got in this fight. every single person who tried on a new idea. every single person who just moved a little in their notion of what a president of the united states should look like. i will not be running for president in 2020, but i guarantee i will stay in the fight for the hard-working folks across this country that got the short end of the stick over and

over. that's been the fight of my life and it will continue to be so. >> what guidance would you girlfriend your supporters who don't know who to support. >> let's take a deep breath and we don't have to decide that at this moment. >> this was a matter of time, the question at this point of when senator warren was going to get out of the race in terms of who she's going back going forward. it was interesting to listen to her interview with rachel maddow last night. i didn't pick up a lot of warmth to bernie sanders or sanders campaign and supporters for the way she was treated over the course of this campaign. what's your sense of where she may leap? >> i didn't pick up a lot of warmth either. you compare the way she talked about information vice president joe biden who she does have a lot much policy differences with. she described him last night as a decent man and did make note of the fact that they come at these policy goals from

completely different place but she believes at the end of the day he's someone who wants to do what's right. you look the at the bernie sanders front and the way she talked about him. there was not a lot of personal praise. those are two candidates who called each other friends but they did have a he did tdedtent that meeting where sanders told her he didn't think a woman could be president. when you think about the way she's been talking about bernie sanders, the endorsement could go either way. you heard her there she wants to take a beat. she offered a bit of criticism for sanders and his supporters last night in that interview with rachel maddow. she did that with me in an interview a few weeks ago. >> it's not just about me. it's a real problem with this online bullying and sort of organized nastiness.

i'm not just talk who said mean things i'm talking about some really ugly stuff that went on. i want to say this for all of the candidate back when there were lots of us. we're responsible for the people who claimed to be our supporters and do really threatening ugly dangerous things to others. >> a particular problem with sanders supporters. >> it is. just is. a factual question. and it is. and that's something, i think, that -- >> have you talked to senator sand person that? >> i have. >> what was that conversation like >> it was short. yeah, we talked about it. i think it's a real problem. >> and look i think even just aside from the way she's talking about joe biden and bernie sanders, of course the endorsement question is there. as i pull back and look at this

kpairngs th campaign, it relied heavily on grassroots outreach. over 1,000 staffers out in the country trying to get into these communities and push out the vote. ultimately, though, what ended up happening to elizabeth warren is a mix of really large field that stayed large for a longtime. then the national narrative of overtaking this race. you started the show talking about how volatile this race has been. that's the solid point of all of this is that by the time elizabeth warren was able to be part of a three person field she was already re-assessing her campaign and in the end it lead to you question whether the national narratives do overtake any of the grassroots organizing that really was the theory of the case, central theory of the case for elizabeth warren. >> this is still fresh to elizabeth warren and the campaign. what's your sense talking to people around her about what exactly happened. she was leading the polls last fall. then when it came time to vote she finished third in iowa,

fourth in new hampshire and nevada, fifth in south carolina and of course third in her home state of massachusetts. what's their sense of what happened between the fall and when the voting started? >> i do think that we can't really understate the importance of that medicare for all moment she had. a lot of others in the field were pressing for her to talk about how she would pay for medicare for all. you guys talked about it. die a lot of reporting on it. they came out with a very specific answer. the problem with coming out with a specific answer it opened her up to attacks from both side. the other thing that's striking and a lot of ink will be spilled over in the next few days the role gender played in this race. elizabeth warren talked about it yesterday when she talked about how gender loomed over this race. she said she would have much more to say about it. but i have to tell you that really in my conversations with women, and sort of starting to

have a little bit of a flashback to the conversations i was having with women voters after 2016, there's a lot of hand wringing of who the candidate are that's left in this race and fau the fact you went from having the most diverse to now the options we have here. for elizabeth warren what i've been hearing is gender really did loom large over this race for her, something i'm hearing a lot from women voters, strategist, campaign staffers, just across the board. >> we've been asking for several months what it was that caused the precipitous drop because she was doing very well. she ran a very positive campaign throughout most of the year. she did the blocking and tackling right. we played a clip of it for ten minutes or so talk about how great she was doing. but then, of course, she fell into second place, third place.

and i'm curious why it is she was never able like mayor pete, bernie sanders to connect with black voters in the south? i'm wondering if bernie sanders was accusing black voters of the south of being the establishment and being elitists. jim clyburn didn't take that too well. i'm wondering if she's thinking that black voters in the south were misogynists, if you're only getting 5% of the vote in the democratic primary in the south you're going to lose. so, is she suggesting that black voters won't vote for a woman? is she suggesting something -- they voted for hillary clinton four years ago. >> you're exactly right. they did vote in large numbers for hillary clinton. i don't get the sense that warren or her campaign is looking at black voters

specifically and saying gender was the fact orthere. i think the story with elizabeth warren and black voters she did so much outreach among the activist community they used to do these things called clutches before her events, before her rallies where she would meet with local leaders, not all of them african-american. depending who they were. people important in the community but it is a story of grass tops versus grassroots support. in their outreach in the african-american community she got a lot of backing from a lot of prominent black activists. i think of representative presley who was one of her biggest surrogates pushing this perspective from the black female. in her plan she was deliberate about talk about how policy could help overcome in come in equality but the racial wealth gap. it was a story of being

deliberate on race, on trying to reach out to these community but ultimately not being able to get that support to percolate down on a grassroots level and keeping it at an activist level. thank you so much. so susan del percio, let's go back and look at these candidates, all of them trying to do post mortems, trying to figure out why they didn't win, a lot of their supporters trying to figure out why they had to get out of the real estate. again, i hate to sound like a one trick pony but if that one trick explains everything that's happening, then let's just do that. end it is -- we've been saying for months now if mayor pete can't get on5% with the black vote he's going to lose. if elizabeth warren can't get out of single digits with the black vote she's going to lose. if bernie sanders can't do better in 2020 than 2016 he's going to lose.

this was all very predictable. joe biden was the one guy that can'ted to get support among black voters. only time that i thought he may not be able to carry this through was when those bogus polls came out saying he was in single digits among black voters. those were jokes of polls. he ended up winning by 40%, 50%, 60% in some states among black voters. so, how do you explain that 22, 23 people ran for the democratic nomination to be president of the united states and literally only one knew how to connect with black voters in the deep south? you look at all the polls going back to the beginning. by the way, i've seen some of they people in black churches. you knew it wasn't going to work. reverend al would tell me, a couple of them, they can be singing in the choir and still

wouldn't carry the people in the pews. so i think the democratic party has gotten more elitist as far as the people that are running the democratic party? >> i think it's in part that we saw joe biden being the front-runner for so long. the narrative is he's the best one to take on trump. you look at african-american voters being the soul of the party, the ones who wanted to beat trump the most. when biden started to falter a little bit that's when we saw those polls come up especially with the week out of south carolina where mike bloomberg was doing verile or tom steyer was doing very well. that shook things up. that resounding win in south carolina and the point that everyone was making leading up to south carolina saying that the first four states did not accurately reflect the democratic party, the soul of the party, but that win and that endorsement leapfrogged joe biden into -- we could fall in

love with him again status and they did. i was skeptical, frankly if there wasn't enough time for joe biden to capitalize on that south carolina win because super tuesday was so close. but it the turns out that momentum just kept going faint wasn't so close maybe he would have lost a little bit of it but it allowed him to truly dominate and people want to win. that's what they saw with south carolina and not to under estimate jim clyburn's endorsement and what that did to put joe biden to that status. >> gene robinson, it's hard to look past the most important data point and that is if you're not good with black voters you're not good. if you can win black voters in the democratic primary, you're not going to win the democratic primary period, end of sentence, end of paragraph, close the book. >> yeah.

>> yeah. that's absolutely true. and, you know, you can go through the individual candidates and maybe pick out reasons why they were unable to connect because some of them try hard. i mean a lot of black voters in the south are not as progressive as elizabeth warren. they just aren't. and joe biden was more than just sort of a familiar presence. he was barack obama's vice president for eight years. and, you know, one of the things that most rankles the voters i talked to about donald trump and his presidency is this systematic and insane attempt to sort of erase the entire obama presidency. so there was kind of a default connection there with joe biden. and it wasn't necessarily, you

know, biden could have blown that if he had continued to perform as poorly as he did in those initial debates but it got better. and, you know, people really want to win so they went back to kind of the default candidate and jim clyburn encouraged them to do it with enthusiasm and conviction and that's what they did. >> al sharpton said black voters are aggressive on race conservative on everything else. don't forget that. that's what these candidate forget other than joe biden. you'll remember the first several debates they spent their time attacking a guy with 90% approval rating in the democratic party, a black guy named barack obama. they played right into joe biden's hands. they misread the electorate. they were more concerned about

what tweeters in manhattan were tweeting than what black voters in south carolina and tennessee and alabama and across the deep south were thinking. i'm hoping four years from now, when democratic candidates run, they have their focus in the right place and then they won't have to be having these sort of morning after concerns why die lose, why didn't i get 5%. you got 3% with black. you got 1% with black voerkters. figure out to do it better next time. >> still ahead we'll go live to the white house for the very latest on the administration's response to the spreading coronavirus. including why it's taking so long to expand testing. nbc's hans nichols joins us next on "morning joe".

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we are concerned that in some countries the level of political commitment and the actions that demonstrate that commitment do not match the level of the threat we all face. this is not a drill. this is not the time to give up. this is not a time for excuses. this is a time for pulling out all the stops. stark words from the head of the world health organization yesterday. that comes as the trump administration will miss its goal of having nearly a million tests available by the end of the week. providing instead only 75,000 tests. that's way off the goal. msnbc contributor mike barnicle

joins the conversation and at the white house nbc news correspondent hans nichols. hans, 75,000 as it pertains -- first of all a million is not enough. this feels like we're in bad shape here. >> reporter: what's interesting about number of testing and their cass by fortunate's own admission last night they are not there. the vice president's office is very candid about their lack of testing capacity. when you have local labs trying to figure out how to test for this on their own. here's the question for the white house this moaning and throughout the day. how are they going reconcile what vice president mike pence is saying, simply they don't have the capacity and the president at the same time saying mike pence is doing a great job. he went out of his way last night to say that while insisting everything is fine. there seems to be divergent rhetoric between the president and vice president that serves him. one other quick note here, guys.

the vice president last night said the president would be signing that $8.3 billion package for coronavirus sometimes between now and atlanta. well what's in atlanta? the cdc. widely reported president donald trump was going to go to the cdc today. it is not on his schedule this morning. so either vice president got way out front last night or there's been some sort of change to the president's schedule because we've all been tracking based on the vice president and other official saying the president was expected to go cdc in atlanta. he's no longer set to go there. briefly we may get a chance to ask the president about this. he'll be skids up here in two hours on the south lawn starting his trip going tennessee. we'll see how the president reconcile these divergent views coming out of his own administration. >> hans, later on this morning as the president appears on his way to some trip, we are hearing

in the country people are being told to work at home. some school systems are talking about shutting down the school systems for a week or two weeks at a time. does the administration in the course of your reporting, does the administration recognize that they have a huge and growing communication problem with the american public? >> reporter: yes and no. let's acknowledge somewhat the obvious and that communicating accurate information is always difficult when the public is panicked and when you're dealing with a virus of this magnitude. add to that this is the first time we've been through this with social media at the level it is where you have facebook and twitter and the capacity to panic there. that said, when you look at the weekly briefings, sorry the daily briefings that started this week at 5 p.m. they are trying to impart as much information as they can. whether or not that gets garbelled when the president talks about that that's a

different matter. we heard the president last night basically going along everything is fine, don't panic but take precautions. under any presidency it's difficult to modulate those two messages. same thing with the economy. how do you talk up the economy without creating the bubbles. how do you assure the public without causing panic. president trump broadcasts on different frequent isis. the problem with coronavirus everybody is listening all the time. there's no distinction between rally don, rally president trump where he goes out there and as you mentioned talking about the democratic response being a hoax and this sort of more subdued in this case vice president pence talking with governor insley. ate challenge. we'll see whether or not they are able to square. >> hans economic comes at the white house. thank you very much. we talked about crisis

management but microsoft has just confirmed two of its employees have been diagnosed with coronavirus. so two confirmed cases at microsoft this morning. >> corporate america has to step up and fill the void that trump does not which basically being honest with people and directive in saying look you can stay home from work. we don't know what we don't know. that's thing that's missing from donald trump's message. if i was standing in front of my own agency now i would say guys here's what we know and what we don't know. when you tell people what you don't know it gives more credibility to people what you do know. on one hand there's a common theme. people are panicked right now. you say it's okay to not know at this point. we'll take every precaution. we don't know what we don't know. right now we have trump using every nonleadership skill you can possibly use, 101 he fails as a ceo.

the reason why he fails as a ceo is because he never ran anything. >> we see something at the end of this week, and that's more cases spreading to more and more states. there's governments now, governors, meyers, talking about what's going on in their states. the president can't contain the message which is the way he's trying which is why he's continuing to back pedal. it does hurt -- it creates more confusion but there's more information getting out to the public now through their local governments. >> it's basic fundamental problem is the president of the united states nobody believes him. >> and because he's treating this as a political problem. not as a public health crisis. all he does is see it through that lens of politics. and the only reason why he really woke up is because he saw what was happening on the stock market. ceos are trying to figure out how to react because they can't

trust the president. and, you know, local governments are trying as hard as they k-but when the president keeps getting, hearing the messages we don't have enough tests, we don't have enough tests that adds another pressure. i think we'll see more unraveling of this president and his messaging and going to fall more on the shoulders of governors. >> mika, the world health organization saying, again, we have a crisis and, unfortunately, leadership across the planet is responding too slowly to this crisis. from everything we're learning, one month in, this is an epidemic that can be contained. if you just look at the scant evidence we have that's what most medical professionals are suggesting. but it requires coordination in governments, it requires coordination in business, it requires coordination of societies to prepare and to be aggressive in limiting the spread of this epidemic before it becomes a pandemic.

sadly what donald trump is doing right now and i say this not to, not for any political reasons at all because this epidemic if it turns into a pandemic, it will kill republicans and democrats alike, conservatives and liberals alike, independents people of all political stripes. there's nothing political about this virus. if it's not contained, it will kill and it will kill loved ones, it will kill family members and it will wreck our economy much like it is wrecking the chinese economy because they too at the beginning of this process were in a state of denial. our president cannot be in a state of denial any more. again, the happier talk, he spread, the more concern he spread, and, of course, the more losses on the stock market and in our economy will see in the coming days weeks and months.

he's got to get real about this, this coronavirus, about this epidemic and stop with the happy talk. >> right. >> and start telling the truth. >> another part of this for him politically and also in terms much getting the country through this if he cares about that and he might, is that this lack of availability of testing kits is just dragging this out and not giving americans a clear idea as to exactly what we're dealing which will only increase the concern, the paranoia and hysteria. three days ago we gave out 500 kits. the white house hasn't acted. the cdc hasn'ted acted. the department of hhs anti-acted quickly enough.

those are slow responses. those numbers you see on your screen says four coronavirus cases in florida, two in georgia, one in tennessee, within in north carolina. we go across the map. those numbers are jokes. they are jokes. those numbers are so artificially low because we don't have the tests to find out all the people who are positive for the coronavirus that are walking a around in schools, in hospitals, and communities right now. >> the president used the term false number the other night. these farms numbers you need to be worried about because they truly are and health care workers that have been exposed this, is only going to roll out slowly and then become very big unless there's some way around it which i don't see. >> by the way, i don't see anybody -- i'll the throw this willie to you on the table. i don't see anybody on either

side of the political aisle that would dare say that they believe those numbers that we're seeing now are anything but grossly understated. the coronavirus numbers really much higher in the united states. >> that's use saw that aid package $8.3 billion and got all but one vote in the senate. >> here's what i would suing ghost the president. he needs a spokesperson. should be a doctor. somebody from the cdc whoeverry day at 5:00 can get up to the american and say here's where we are. you need that one person, that one voice. what did doe? he put mike pence in that goal, a guy who has never run anything in his life. avenues senator from indiana which means he was never in charge. a governor. never organized anything. you need to find that one voice. >> they haven't.

>> dr. anthony fauci. he's right there. he's on the task force. he's standing behind the president of the united states in the initial press conference they had. guess what? they are afraid of putting him on because he'll use facts and tell the truth. >> he has been out, richard engel did a long interview with him. to donny's point you can put him out. whatever fortunate says will swamp whatever these doctors say. he'll talk about his polling and why it's obama's fault. >> he can say all that but people are going to feel -- this isn't like the hoax when he talked about ukraine or when he the talked about the mueller report. people didn't see ukrainians or mr. mueller in their hometowns. they are seeing reaction of the coronavirus at their schools, places of worship, transportation systems. they will feel this directly and know the president isn't telling them truth. >> gene robinson, you know who people trust more than anybody

else? the doctor. i think a lot of americans trust their doctor more than they trust anyone else if they have a fairly decent doctor. and when the president says that everything will be sunshine and happiness, when the president says this will magically go away in april, when the president says you can go to work if you have the coronavirus, a lot of these older voters are going to go to their doctors and their doctors are going say, hey, do not listen to him. you could die if you listen to what he's saying. you have to prepare. and that is the difference between this and say donald trump lying about his ukraine caller, donald trump lying about the mueller report, this is personal. there's verification for every older american -- or younger american -- who goes to the

doctor to find out what the truth really is. they will listen to their doctor than a lying politician. >> they certainly will. those doctors need to have good information to work with, so it is as everyone has said, scan d scandalous and unconscionable. we've done a few hundred tests of a country with 300 million people. it's just -- it's incredible. so there's going to have to be, you know, an after action report at some point. i mean we got to get on top of helped the. we got to do a lot more test sewing that we get realistic idea of how widespread this virus is and then we'll have an idea of how to attack it and how to contain it. but, you know, i always thought and maybe i was naive. i thought we had the best public health system in the world. i always held the cdc and nih in

the highest of esteem and we flubbed it. even before president trump started again making ridiculous noises that he continues to make, we didn't get the test right at first. we don't have enough tests. we are going to have to take a look at that and seeing what we need to do to improve, so sort of get back took ready for this sort of challenge because this is a real challenge. >> mika, part of the problem is and it's been reported, the head of the department of health and human services that would be in charge of this had secretary azar who is afraid of offending donald trump, was afraid that people, that scientists and people who worked on his team might say things. >> right. >> that would anger a president who does not want to hear

reality. does not want to hear any bad news. and so he dragged his feet. the department of hhs who would have been the tip of the sphere over the past several months on this challenge, instead has sat back worried that donald trump might be offended if they tell the truth about the possibility of an epidemic turning into a pandemic and spreading across america. so, we're not prepared this morning. and there are a lot of people out there in hospitals, sick who don't know whether they have the coronavirus or not right now and we're hearing from doctors all over america, they can't treat those patients because donald trump's administration hasn't gotten them the tests. >> and the patients can't trust their government. this is where the rubber meets the road with this type of leadership. gene, thank you very much. coming up, another development on the coronavirus story. it's just coming in. the state of new jersey now

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♪ top of the hour. a beautiful morning in washington, d.c. we're going to get back to politics in just a moment. but i want to spend more time with fast-moving new developments on the coronavirus here in the u.s.. in seattle, with major businesses like twitter, google and facebook telling employees to work from home. some business owners say the city feels like a ghost town. microsoft says two employees have tested positive for the

virus. we also have this new sfrfrom t california air national guard hovering over a cruise ship that's being held off the coast of california. these are troopers delivering test kits after several passengers showed symptoms and officials learn that a patient who died in california earlier this week had recently traveled on that ship. more than 3,500 passengers and crew are on board right now. we're told 45 people, 45 have been tested. results are expected later today. officials with the new york city department of health say they are keeping an eye on more than 2700 residents who are currently under quarantine. this comes after the number of confirmed cases doubled in new york state thursday from 11 to 22. colorado announced its first two cases while maryland announced its first three cases and joined florida, washington state and california in declaring states

of emergency. this morning the u.s. also reported its 14th death from the virus. the 13th from washington state. there are currently 230 cases in the u.s. so far. as we've reported experts say many more people are likely being infected or are infected right now but undiagnosed because there aren't those tests so they are walking around with coronavirus. >> with 300 million people in the united states and god knows how many people are walking around with the coronavirus because the white house, this trump administration failed to act in a timely manner to have those tests in the hands of doctors. >> on monday trump administration said they would have nearly a million tests available by the end of the week. it's not even close to anything. now we're learning the administration will my that goal by a long shot, providing only 75,000 tests for the united states of america. the senate yesterday approved the $8.3 billion emergency

spending package. the house passed the day before. the markets continue its wild swings with dow futures deep in the red once again this morning. willie >> richard engel has been traveling the world covering this story. he joins us now from london. richard, good morning. i want to get to your special this weekend. you've been all over the world covering this outbreak. you also this week had an hour long interview with dr. anthony fauci. sometimes the volume of the president's message trumps and swamps the smart message given by southeast doctors. what was your impression in talking to dr. fauci about his level of alarm about this outbreak? >> for the last three weeks i've been traveling across asia to try to figure this out, to try the report out how serious this virus s-where it's going, what can to be done to contain it now that it is going global. and part of that reporting was also a trip to washington, d.c.,

met with dr. anthony fauci who is wildly considered the world's most important biologist. he said the united states may have to consider taking steps, disruptive steps to contain this virus. he said we're not there yet but that if he sees it and other experts see it, that it will be necessary in his view to take measures like temporary closing schools, or stopping sporting events, or rock concerts, any kind of large social gathering where you get people together in a confined space. he said that would be a decision made by local authorities, but based usually on the advice of federal agencies like the cdc. he talked about the rush to create a vaccine, saying there's an effort under way to get this vaccine ready, but think it's about a year off. that is incredibly fast but also

warned that the first year when you have a new virus and that's what we're dealing with, a new virus that's transferred from animals, likely bats to human beings, since there's no past with it, we have no reservoir of immunities, the first year is the most lethal, most problematic year. he also thinks this is something we'll be dealing with season after season. this is a new fact of life. he wanted to strike that balance of not stoking panic because panic never helps. and not having complacency either and we're trying to find what that sweet spot is. >> as i mentioned you've been traveling the world covering this story. let's look at your visit to hong kong. >> reporter: at hong kong's hospital the doctors have been put on so-called dirty teams to deal with coronavirus patients. it's the front line in the fight against the disease.

cardiologist alfred wong was one of the first to volunteer. your hospital is getting this? >> the route of transmission of these viruses, coronavirus, these transmit through droplets. >> reporter: this level of infectiousness that brings dr. wong taking extreme measures to make sure he doesn't become infected and spread the disease. >> when we're working we're separated from the rest of the department. we have our own office. we don't eat inside canteens. we hide somewhere to eat. after work we don't go home. >> where are you staying? >> i'm staying in a hotel near the hospital. >> richard, there's a lot of concern in this country in the united states about lack of availability of tests. as you travel the world how do you fine testing? do they have enough there?

if so what's the problem here in the u.s.? >> reporter: testing is a major issue. it's not just a major issue in the united states. techting has been a problem from the very beginning. that is why the mortality rate has been fluctuating so much. the world health organization just said that it estimates 3.4% of people who get the coronavirus are going to die from it. there have been previous estimates that say 2%. i spoke to dr. fauci. he thinks, he believes it could go down to even 1% as more people are tested. that's a huge range between 1 and 3.4%. the reason why that range is so wide is not that many people have been test sod we don't know how many people are walking around showing very, very mild symptoms and getting better on their own without having to go to hospital or without having, to without succumbing to the virus. he also talked about how the

overall mortality rate is somewhat misleading because if it's 2.0% or 3.4%, a lot of it depends on who you are. what your medical conditions are when you get infected. and how old you are. because the children, first of all, barely get this at all. only less than 3% of all case are people under 18. so they are not even getting the infection for reasons that are still unclear let alone getting very sick from it. people who are older, particularly if they are older 70 years old they have potentially a 1 in 10% chance or 1 in 10 chance of dying from this virus if they have pre-existing cardiovascular conditions. it depends how old you are and what your pre-existing health is like if you get infected. the overall numbers are important. they keep changing because we don't know how many people are infected but the most important

factor on how you react to this is your age and health. >> richard, you're actually in a country now who according to the "new york times" is facing their own set of grim realities in addressing this coronavirus and the possible continued spread of it. the "new york times" reporting that right now there's not enough testing that the health care system is already overwhelmed, that often they have people waiting to get into hospitals. but they don't have enough beds, especially in many hospitals across the north and to admit a new patient they are going to have to kick someone else inside the hospital out. talk about how, again, because it's not just the united states, talk about the challenges that great britain is facing right now with this virus spread. >> reporter: so, i'll talk about great britain a little bit

because i'm here right now. but for the last three weeks i've been traveling to many different countries. they are all stressed. here in the uk they put out public health advisories telling people don't go to the doctor unless you really need to. they don't want people who have just a little bit of concern to overwhelm the medical services. they are worried that suddenly lots of people will be showing up, potentially contaminating others or just taking time away from normal cases. so they are already concerned that they could be overwhelmed. that clip you played earlier, dr. wong, that's revealing, in hong kong. hong kong has an advanced medical care system. it's a very, very rich city state, or city part of china disputed longer conversation there. in hong kong what they've done is divided the medical staff into dirty teams and clean teams and they work in shifts several weeks long. if you're on the dirty team, dealing with coronavirus

patients, you are taken out of the general population of medical staff. so doctor wong is a cardiologist, he's not doing his normal job. he's not treating people with heart conditions. while he's on this dirty team he's only working with coronavirus patients. then when he's finished he has to go into quarantine himself. so you're taking doctors out of the general population. also taking them away from their normal jobs. if places like the uk, hong kong are struggling to deal with this, doctors i've talked to say other developing countries are going to have much more serious concerns, much more serious struggles ballgames their medical systems are already under stress to begin with. that's why we're seeing these mitigating actions around the world. in france they've postponed the paris marathon. in iran where they have almost 5,000 cases now for the first time in recent memory they've

cancelled all friday prayers nationwide. religious services are of particular concern in bethlehem. they've closed the church of nativity where christians believe christ was born. they are trying to prevent -- in south korea also church service have been closed. they are trying to prevent large gatherings of people where you could have intimate contact and person to person contagion. >> richard, arguably, panic is more contagious than the coronavirus. and in your conversations with dr. fauci was he able to or willing to address the lack here in the united states of a single national credible voice addressing the issue of panic as well as the coronavirus? >> reporter: he specifically didn't talk about that.

i don't know why, maybe he didn't want to get into a political fight. he's focusing on the science. there are now multiple efforts in the united states and elsewhere to try to couple with a vaccine. so, he didn't want to talk about the lack of a unified voice or lack of political leadership from the trump administration. i think he didn't want to go there, so to speak. but there have been many people i've spoken to who are concerned about, who are concerned about panic. they are concerned about the lack of correct information. if you go online right now and try and diagnose yourself through google or facebook or any of the other platforms on social media, you will run into very quickly conspiracy theories and rumors and an official at the w.h.o. called this a growing potentially pandemic and an

infodemic as there's so much kay jottic information online leading information make wrong decisions or bad decision. >> richard engel on assign metropolitan "outbreak" airs right here on msnbc. thank you for being on and thank you for doing that report on outbreak. and join the conversation, politics editor for the "daily beast" sam stein and heidi przybyla, her now reporting examines bernie sanders proposals to pay for his ambitious plans. heidi, what exactly is his plan to pay and is he being exactly clear about that? >> last week sanders released a sketch of how he would pay for some of his proposals which we really hadn't gotten up until this point. what we have now is an exclusive estimate provided by washington's premier budget analysis group, the center for

responsible federal budget which went over what this all would mean for the overall debt and deficit short fall and, mika, what it would mean for middle class taxpayers. what they found even after fact jor factor i factorring in raising taxes on middle class americans, you would still have a $20 trillion gap. now just to put that into perspective, that's the entire size of the current national debt. so how would you close that gap? you would only close that gap through huge tax increases. so you look at sanders estimate. he's already baked in a 10% across the board tax increase on all americans. what this would mean, would be an additional 20% across the board tax rate increase.

for instance, let's look at a typical middle class family earning about $80,000. you're looking at a tax rate of about he 60% for that family and then as you go up the income scale you're looking at about 80% to 90% effective tax rate or marginal tax rate for the highest earners. this is just the math. you either do this or according to the senior vice president at the center for responsible federal budget you issue more debt than the country has accumulated over its entire 244 year history. i know, this is a conservative estimate because you're not f t factoring in new deal. >> sam we've been wondering for some time why democratic voters were punishing elizabeth warren for putting her number out there but not punishing bernie sanders. they ultimately got around to

that as well, when the votes went south and more towards middle america. i'm wondering, though, whether bernie sanders is not looking much more like jeremy corbyn now than we even thought a couple of months ago because there had been some people on the left that brushed back on that saying he's nothing like jeremy corbyn. i've seen more than one or two really bright progressives in the past week saying actually he is parallel to what happened with jeremy corbyn and, instead of refining his message in 2016, he expanded his message. he promised more. and voters in the deep south just like in the north of great britain did not buy it. did numbers didn't add up. i had one black voter tell me last week there's no such thing as a free lunch in america.

i don't believe key do it. >> he yeah. two things here. one, i think the democratic electorate is not reflected always in the twitter conversation and when the contest turned to the south -- >> you think? >> no, i don't think. it makes me feel because i love twitter. no. i think once the contest turned to the south it became problematic for sane edersander. right after his win in nevada sanders had about a week to send some sort of signals to mainstream democrats that he was a more refined candidate, that he understood their concerns, that he wasn't going to go, you know, completely hard left but could make some accommodations that would have assuaged their fears. what happened he didn't make any of those signals. you had his surrogates going out there talk about nancy pelosi. you had his top strategist

saying we reject michael bloomberg's money. they've done this because it's consistent with their message. a lot of mainstream democrats wanted something to hold on, to okay get it, he understands my fears, he'll make accommodations and maybe triangulate in the general election. he did none of that. the result in south carolina and then in super tuesday really reflected a huge chunk of the party saying okay i don't have that permission structure to vote for sanders. >> donny, it reminds me so much of donald trump since he's entered the white house. kept waiting for him, i did the first six no, sir expand beyond the 33%, the 35%, 38%, 40%. i thought when steve bannon left the white house, steve bannon he

wasn't 33%, it was donald trump who focus on that hard core third and then expands and contracts. now he's mr. 42% and that's just fantastic but that won't win elections. so donald trump has been doing that on the right or not on the right, on the trumpian side of the political spectrum and bernie sanders has been doing it on the left. sam was talking about things that -- i was just wondering day after day when is bernie doesn't have to turn ideologically but maybe if he stops insulting the democratic party, maybe if he stops insulting the people who have given their entire life to a party that he wasn't even a member of, that maybe he can start pulling in more people but he never made that turn and he didn't make the turn from 2016 to 2020. again, i'm not talking ideology. i'm just talking stylistically,

here what i believe. i'm going the fight like hell for it. all of this won't get through the senate. i know that. but at least i want the debate to start from here. so we have a chance to get universal health care for you and your family. that would have made such a big difference. >> yeah. it's interesting. at least i always said voters vote with their hearts and not their heads. i want to contrast bernie with joe biden. one think about biden, somebody who is talking to somebody on the campaign trail who also lost a child he gave his cell phone if you ever get solo call me. that's as bold a contrast to bernie sanders who doesn't feel there's any empathy in there. although his message if you think about it is a message of empathy in terms i want to protect everybody, i want to give health care tomb horsepower his style, his demeanor is not there. did not back it up.

beyond ideologically such a narrow, narrow field and a narrow, narrow message. it won't get you above 30%. the other part of it the delivery system, his basic emotion, his heart never showed and there was that never emotional connection. if you don't connect emotionally you're not connecting. >> so, heidi przybyla, how does he respond the criticism especially on payments for his plans? >> look, he surface you factor all of these things in, given your decreasing health care for the middle class, decreasing their premiums in the end the middle class will make out better. he's right. single payor systems are more efficient in europe. we spend more on health care than these other countries do. but he's relying on a flawed analysis that's been penned by

analysts both on the right and left. he has to be more honest what it means and what it will take to deliver this to the american people. under those systems he cites, like in denmark, what you have there, you have that huge value add tax, sales tax, essentially that disproportionately hits middle class and lower income people because you're taxing goods. what you have there is much higher income tax rate. so these are the tradeoffs that the american people need be very clear about when they are considering these options. and, again, these are assumptions not just paying medicare for all which is where the big gap is but paying for these other proposals, for example, cancelling out student debt. he talks about a modest tax on wall street speculation. that's basically taxing transactions on wall street. the problem there is, and the reason why it falls short is

because once you start taxing anything you'll see less transacting. you can't assume you'll see the same level of wall street activity and market activity if you're going to levy a big tax there and again the numbers don't add up. >> thank you. we'll be reading your new reporting and your a michigander and you're heading to this weekend. we look forward to your reporting ahead of the primary next week. >> thanks a lot. so, susan del percio, you know what? what i found interesting in listening to bernie, he didn't move to the middle of the democratic electorate, i hear bernie talk about health care reform. i agree with a ton of his talking points he would say the united states spends more money on health care per patient than any other country on the planet.

that's true. that our health care system is extraordinarily inefficient. and while tens of millions of americans don't have health care insurance despite all this money we're spending on health care, you got big pharma and health care conglomerates racking in record profits, billions and billions of dollars and it is an extraordinarily inefficient system. we have universal health care. if somebody gets sick they go to the hospital, they get taken care of. but it is so inefficient. of course, it is so dehumanizing for those people who have to go into the emergency room for primary care. so there's so much that bernie sanders said that made sense that cries out for a solution that we will see in this country over the next decade. but when he jumps from those points to a 30 are 40 or 50 trillion dollar price tag, he

completely undermines his own argument. he was never able to connect the grim realities of our health care system with the political realities in washington, d.c. and i think that has caused him, among democratic voters in this primary. >> it has. we know that democratic socialism is not free, joe. there's a consequence. that number heidi just reported is staggering. the you're a middle class family you're going to be taxed 60% one bernie sanders' plan. that's a hard number to absorb. add to that you're going to tell 150 million people that you're going to now have to work with government-run health care. you're not going to have an insurance provider. the the government is going take care of you. people don't want a revolution and have government dictate when they can go to a doctor. they want reasonable change.

>> government would be running people's health care and deciding what doctor you have and what doctor your family has, and what doctor, what pediatrician my children get. government would be making those decisions, the same government that's botching the coronavirus. americans don't want to take that chance, do they? >> absolutely not. that's the problem when what bernie sanders is putting out there, he's not allowing for to it even evolve or let people be on a public plan like many of the other democratic candidates have said. everyone is pretty much for there should be a public option. the way he's going about it is it's absolutism. he said if you're not with him, you are against him. and that's the fracture he's putting into the democratic party right now and we saw it in 2016 and i think there's a big concern about what's going to

happen in 2020. bernie sanders does not get the nomination. ironically the person that just dropped out yesterday may be the person who could bridge that gap between the progressive movement and joe biden should he be the nominee. >> all right. susan, thank you. before we go to break we have an update on 50 or 50. know your value has partnered with "forbes" to secret an amazing powerful new platform entitled "50 or 50" celebrating trail blazing women who achieved significant success after 50 and way beyond. it's a long runway. this first of its kind forbes list will shine a light on 50 diverse women over the age of 50 who have achieved significant success later in life. often by overcoming formidable odds and there are so many to choose from. we're taking in submissions now. the guidelines are simple. we're looking for u.s. based women born in or before 1970 who

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do not underestimate donald trump. he'll have epidemicless amount of money because he doesn't believe in the rule of law. he will combine federal agencies with his own campaign. yes loyal group of supporters. won't be so easy to beat him. but i believe that it will be very hard to beat him when you're running an old-fashioned type of campaign. when you're running, you know, the same old, same old.

that was bernie sanders wednesday night going after joe biden's old-fashioned campaign. but if biden wins the nomination he'll get a lot of help from mike bloomberg's deep pocketed digital firm, hawkfish is the firm that carried out bloomberg's $100 million online ad campaign. he intends to fund it to help democrats through november. bylaw the company would not be able to coordinate with the nominee's campaign an arrangement similar to super p.a.c.s which can accept unlimited contributions and spend limitless sums working to defeat or elect candidates as long as they act independently. on the republican side politico reports donald trump's re-the election campaign spent aggressively to advertise on facebook, including a combined $35.6 on trump and pence participation since may of 2018. willie? >> joining us now here in new

york staff writer for "the new yorker," andrew morantz. his latest piece is entitled "hash tag winning." andrew is also author of "anti-social." andrew, good morning. good to see you. let's talk about your piece, those of us who cover politics every day. for our audience where did he come from and why was he so successful in 2016? >> avenues guy from kansas who moved to san antonio to play college basketball and just kind of learned,000 build websites. over time 2010, '11, '12 the business of web development became more about webb marketing, getting your message to travel through social media. he got good at serj engiarch ent

mi -- optimization. when trump decided to run for president i need a digital arm in my campaign to get that side of the message out. trump was not prioritizing that. he still believed tv was the way to get everything out. but parscale said there's this thing called facebook and twitter we should invest in some money in that. because they were under-funded they had to spend a lot of money on facebook because it was cheaper and macro targeted. so he spent $100 on facebook. >> you describe a guy sitting there at his laptop by himself buying facebook ads at the beginning of the 2016 campaign. how did he grow and what did doe that was uniquely good in 2016 in terms of his job and getting

the president elected? >> one thing he did he said to facebook i'm going spend a lot of money on your platform. cussen someone to my campaign to help me. this hillary clinton campaign was offered that too and they turned that down. they said we got it inhouse. parscale in san antonio where he was running the digital operation he said come on in and i'll have an embid from facebook. you have facebook working on the trump campaign's behalf. not because they didn't offer it to the other side, the other side didn't acset up. now you have all kind of little inner workings of the platform that wouldn't be visible to an outsider because there are employees who know how to get the job done they are doing things through artificial intelligence, if you have a list -- >> you said one the genius, we brought facebook inhouse. >> yes. >> frightening.

>> can you draw that out a little bit. you got parscale, you got facebook, somebody from facebook working with parscale. talk about what happens next when they capture some information about you or me with your phone number. what do they get >> they get a lot. cell phone? gold standard. one thing parcale did decided at the trump rally, tickets to trump rallies are free but to get the ticket you have to give your cell phone number. there are more numbers than likely voters. they are going to be able to use that to upload to facebook, if you have somebody's cell phone number you can get their consumer behavior, their location, where they've been and you can upload an excel spreadsheet and serve them this ad at this time. tweet ads with tiny bit of details. if there's a button that says donate and another button says

contribute. constant tweaking and learning. this is old hat in commercial contiguous but in political advertising sometimes a little bit on the curve. this is all stuff that the campaign just sort of had to do, necessity being the mother of invention. >> lesson learned don't give them your cell phone number. >> you can escape from this stuff. we're using credit cards. can you go off the grid. short of that you'll be wrapped up in somebody' net. one other bottom line there are ways to use this information that are more ethical than other ways. there's a debate now within the democratic party, do they unilaterally disarm or say okay we'll engage but do it in a less creepy surveillance way and do it in a way that helps win and that's an active debate. >> sam? >> andrew, i suppose i should do my usual disclaimer here that my wife works for facebook.

there it is. the question for you is, how much of this -- i sort of struggled to figure this out myself as i reported on this stuff. how much of this is sort of organic community building in the sense that, you know, trump's message attracted a lot of passionate followers who did want to go to social media platforms to share and be part of a community in a way bernie sanders, one of the things he promises democratic voters is that he has that type of impassioned following that will go to platforms like facebook and twitter, sometimes to my detriment because it can thread harassment but they are impassioned but they get going and build communities. clinton did not have that. how much do you think is organic or how much is manipulative in the tech sense of the world? >> that's a good point. we sometimes get over ourselves and say everything is russian

bots or trolls. when i went out to do my book anti-social it's not against social media, i discovered how much social media is built around inciting negative emotions for real not through disinformation but through actual people i sat with and watched them do it. a lot of this stuff is not just about what's fake and what's a breach of the rules and what's a data breach. authors things we can focus on narrowly. the bigger problem is that these systems are set up to incentivize. there's nothing illegal about it. just bad for our democracy. >> andrew, joe scarborough here, i talked to trump campaign and have over the past several years not only about them trying to put together an online strategy in 2016 but also what they are

doing right now and in 2016 they were cobbling things together as you suggested. there were articles that mocked what brad and what jared were doing. but if you talked to the people that are putting that together right now they will tell you they are light years ahead of 2016. nobody has ever done anything like what they are doing right now and they start talking about numbers. they talk about geotargeting every person that comes to the rally. you talk about expanding the electorate in the swing states and suddenly it seems like democrats are light years behind. from what you know right now about the trump campaign has and what the democrats have, is that a fair assessment? >> they definitely have a huge head start. they have essentially never stopped campaigning, you know, trump famously filed for

re-tlaere re-election a few hours after inauguration. parscale has been there the whole time. this is their strategy going forward. ate good strategy. doesn't mean that they are completely fated to win but there's a big head start. even with the infusion of cash that somebody like bloomberg offers that will happy lot because that's unlimited money. but the there's some things money can't make up such as time, sump as the ability to build a huge and reliable database. those things can't be bought troosk. those things take time to develop and make sure your data is clean and target the people you want to reach. some things they were good at is people in the florida panhandle who play paint ball on saturdays. we want to reach them. >> like joe scarborough. >> exactly. >> you just nailed it. >> before we let you go you mentioned bloomberg what could be the impact not just of his money but of his digital operation that haerm of people and hawkfish.

things we know in terms of data collection and targeted advertising. what's the impact? >> it's a huge -- when i started researching this article for the new yorker the narrative was the trump campaign is out there spending millions of dollars on facebook and twitter and google and the democrats aren't there. then bloomberg got in the race and suddenly that was reversed. now bloomberg is out of race and the biggest problem with the bloomberg campaign is now gone and he's putting that money into somebody else. that's definitely changed trees. the problem is that money isn't everything. some of it is the ability to ab test and tweak things. hawkfish seems they are willing to do that. they are doing all kinds of aggressive stuff. there's ethical boundaries. privacy boundaries. a lot of what trump is able to do is just through sheer ability to lie and willingness to play racist dog whistles which i don't think democrats want or

should do. some of it if you have the boundaries of shame and potential doesn'tcy you'll be held back on social media a little bit because social media incentivizes the most outrageous stuff. >> thanks so much. we'll be reading the latest issue of the new yorker. mika? >> still ahead an update to a story we told you about yesterday what senator minority chuck schumer is saying now about his comments that earned him a rare rebuke from chief justice john roberts. and an appointee of president bush is he questioning bill barr's handling of the mueller report saying it was misleading. "morning joe" is back in a moment.

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live look at capitol hill. a federal judge criticized attorney general william barr's credibility for his handling of the special counsel robert mueller's report and ruled that the justice department must turn over an unredabted copy of the report for him to examine. d.c. judge an appointee of president george w. bush called out barr's lack of candor for inconsistencies between his statements about the report when it was a secret and its actual contents that turned out to be more damaging to trump. he wrote barr can be commended for his effort to expeditiously release a summary of his conclusions however he continued the court is troubled by his hurried release and lady speed leads him to whether attorney general barr's intent was to create a one sided narrative about the murder report a

narrative that is substantive at odds with the redacted version of the mueller report. walton wrote bar's handling of the report leads him to seriously question whether attorney general barr attorney made a calculated discourse about in favor of president trump despite certain findings and the redacted version of the mueller report to the contrary. >> the judge was absolutely scathing. to get connected with russia. for the election. >> for 43. >> inside the report that the trump campaign reached out to people connected with the russian government in hopes that

they would influence the election. that, of course, barr suggested that the mueller report completely exonerated them. the judge said that's just not true. the second issue had to do with obstruction of justice where barr said that mueller found justice again completely false and this judge points out that inside the mueller report and reminded people what actually was inside there. let's turn to legal analyst.

>> let's talk about the legal experts. >> you've seen federal judges go after prosecutors in the case. >> i should have turned this over, they should have turned that over. there's some comments here about the prosecutors. the fact that the judge is going after the attorney general himself and using words like serious doubts, quotes about it being skin, that's what this lawsuit is about, by the way. this isn't just a random issue. this lawsuit is about whether the unredacted portions of the mueller report should be released and the judge is in essence saying i don't trust the attorney general. so i'm going to have to look at it myself. that is a stunning rebuke. that, yeah, i think it's fair to say very few if any of us have

ever seen anything like it before. >> this is part of a legal argument. it wasn't like you called into a cable show. he was speaking of legal case against the attorney general. >> let's talk about john adams under fire. the founding father's fight for justice at the boston murder trial. i'm not so sure they know his role in the trial that followed. >> and i think sthef the boston massacre wrong. >> really? >> yeah. we all remember the image of these british soldiers all in their red coats firing. >> it was distributed widely where people think of the columnists sitting there and they just started firing on them. the columnists, the much disguised british soldiers, five columnists are dead. john adams is a patriot. he doesn't like the british soldiers.

he hates the british soldiers yet he agreed to represent them because he thought it was important for the rule of law that everyone should be able to have an attorney and also because he lisped to what their defense was and thought it was a serious defense. we have a 217 page transcript from 1770 that serves as sort of the yoke of the story here bringing the boston massacre trial to life. >> where do you get these documents because it's all in these other books you've written. >> these are underunder appreciated documents that have been out there. i mean, when we did the lincoln book, my coauthor, david fisher, came do me and he said you're not going to believe this, but there is a transcript out there that was found in the garage of the great grandson of the defendant that no one was written about. i said come on, what do you mean no one has written about it? so it's about finding these underappreciated transcripts of big trials. and this one was really amazing just because it's from so long ago and, in fact, the

transcriber's hand got so tired at one point that he had to ask them to come back to recreate what he said to have on them come out. >> so you have this great transcript. what else do you need to do to make the story come alive? >> well, you know, we need the contemporaneous media coverage, which even in 1770, there was media coverage of it. there are letters from people to one another. there are notes that were taken by john adams, by the prosecutors, so you put all of that together to try to telt the story as best we can. some people challenged some of the transcript. he didn't like the way the lawyers -- because think about it, what lawyer would say, oh, yes, that chronicled my beautiful arguments perfectly. his argument was they got the witnesses right, but when it came to my arguments, they didn't do a good job. >> they threw rocks through his window. he lost half his law business.

the public was angry at him. and his cousin, sam adams was not happy. with john adams. for taking the case, as well. but people came to understand him over time. people came to recognize that there was a principal in place. and i have to tell you, i think having that transcript allowed people who were not in the court to appreciate the process and they were able to say, okay, there was a fair trial here and i think that prevented the american revolution from happening six years before it could have. >> facts are stubborn things. >> that's where this came from. >> john adams said facts are disturb born things and this is the first case where they used the standard reasonable doubt. so this was a really important seminole case in american history. >> and abrahams, you've done it again. i don't know where you've found these documents, but keep doing it. john adams under fire, the founding father's fight for justice in the boston massacre

murder trial. always good to see you. >> thank you, willie. always good to see you. coming up, major new developments on the coronavirus here in the u.s. thousands of new yorkers quarantined. another death reported just this morning. a cruise ship in limbo off the coast of california and more and more big businesses taking a hit. >> katie, can you believe what we've heard? the airline industry, it absolutely devastated, one conference after another shut down. walmart now saying no more interpret flights. you've seen, again, legal conferences being shut down. now you have microsoft and facebook and so many others telling their employees stay home. >> and some states that still have yet to receive testing kits. we'll go live to the new york stock exchange for a check on the markets and the job numbers expected to cross in just a bit. "morning joe" is back in two minutes. t a bit. "morning joe" is back in two minutes.

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we're concerned that in some countries, the level of political commitment and the actions that demonstrate that commitment do not mark the level of the threat we all face. >> we are giving, i think, really given tremendous marks. you look at gallop poll, you look at other polls toer the way we've handled it. >> this is not a drill. >> it's all going on work out. >> this is not a time for excuses. >> they made some decisions which were not good decisions. we inherited decisions that they made and that's fine. >> this is not the time to give up. >> people are now staying in the united states spending their money in the u.s. and i like that. the head of the world held organization in geneva and donald trump on fox news.

good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, march 6th. along with joe, willie and me, we have donnie deutsch, susan del percio and eugene robinson. great to have you all on board on this friday morning. what a week. >> well, what a week it's been. i mean, we can start, of course, willie with american politics. which i think is seen perhaps one of the most dramatic changes for any candidate's fortune or even actually a presidential primary in one week's time that we've ever seen. it was a week ago that joe biden was still considered to be on the ropes, a guy out of money, a guy with no organization to speak of who had no offices in many of the key states. he was considered to be on his last leg. one week later, he is the dominant force and democratic politics, the president laying

off of him right now. mayor pete got out of the race. amy klobuchar got out of the race. mike bloomberg got out of the race. the dominos are falling very quickly. it's been nothing short of extraordinary. >> absolutely stunning, joe. we knew that joe biden would win south carolina. we had a good sense of that. bernie sanders had pulled up stakes. we didn't know what that win was going mean for super tuesday. he had long support there with african-american voters or something bigger and it was something much, much bigger than even we anticipated or the biden campaign anticipated. they were stunned. they were shocked. and as you say, the established and democrats are falling in line with him. people across the state of michigan, the governor falling in line, making her endorsement

on this show yesterday, a state that he would like to snatch away from bernie sanders. this race changed entirely because of what happened in south carolina as it served as a springboard into super tuesday and beyond. >> and now it looks as if sanders is going to scede the s. he's pulling up stakes in mississippi. michigan appears to be his waterloo if he loses it. but getting back to the clips that we showed on the way in, we've had the head of the world health organization and other health experts across the planet says that the crisis is here. and yet governments including our own, i would say especially our own, other than china, are responding in a clumsy, hand fisted way and unfortunate just as you had with china at the beginning of this outbreak, you have the president of the united states who is actually spreading

disinformation, trying to tell people to go back to work if they want to. his words, go back to work while you have the coronavirus. that is the quickest way to turn this epidemic into a pandemic. and he thinks -- -- and they're

obviously lines. lying to the american people, instead of being able to work and have the virus. >> more concerned which is why once again, we had a collapse on wall street yesterday. >> the rubber will meet the road politically for this president. that will be uniform. >> donnie, can i talk to you about that? and talk about if you're a ceo, whether you're a republican or a democrat and you have this crisis.

>> they give you the bad news up front. they tell you this is what's going to happen. it's going to be bad. this is how we prepare for it. and then you prepare for it and then when it turns out to be not as bad as you prepared for, suddenly you look at that later and said she knows what she's doing. >> why would we expect the president who relies on an average to tell the truth about something important? yes, leadership is about honesty. here is the speech. >> this put a -- i don't want to say happy face on it, but said we will figure it out.

we are the united states of america and i am here to protect people. >> leaving people unprotected, one more instance of sociopathic behavior. >> pete, we're supposed to be leading on this. as joe mentioned, the front page of the "new york times" reports the coronavirus can wipe out up to $113 billion in worldwide airline revenues this year alone. a staggering new blow to the industry in seattle with major businesses like twitter, google and facebook telling employees to work from home. some business owners say the city now feels like a ghost town. >> a cruise ship is now being held off the coast of california. several passengers showed symptoms and officials learned that a patient who died in california earlier this week had

recently traveled on that same ship. more than 3500 passengers and crew are on board that ship right now. we're told 345 people have been tested. results are expected later today. officials say they are keeping an eye on more than 2700 rvents who are currently under quarantine. that comes as the machine of confirmed cases doubled in new york state thursday from 11 to 22. colorado announced its first two cases the u.s. recorded its 14th death from the virus, the 13th for washington state. but as we've reported, experts say many, many people are likely to be infected, but are walking around undiagnosed.

on mobdz, the trump administration said it would have close to auto million tests available by the end of the week. now we're learning the administration will miss that goal by a long shot, able to provide only 75,000 tests. this is a bick problem. >> we're a country of 300 million and they're getting 75,000 kits out? >> the senate approving a $7el 3 billion spending package the day before. the vote wag 96-1 with senator rand paul casting the dissenting vote.

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multiple people familiar with joe biden's campaign tell them the other times that he's looking the broaden his communications and political teams. o'malley last managed beto o'rourke's presidential bid. the chief strategist. mike bloomberg has reportedly pledged to help biden's campaign after his 2020 bid. they cautioned that they were at an early stage of determining how he would redeploy now that he is no longer a candidate. it will be a while before the details of his plans come into focus.

it's a planned speech in jackson, mississippi, today. bernie sanders has headed to the midwest as he tries to compete with biden for working class voters there. >> we had all of these candidates who everybody was talking about for two years. whether it was elizabeth warren or amy klobuchar or bernie sanders, it is pretty shocking that so many people would start and continue a campaign as so

many others with no support. here we see again, despite all of his guarantees over the past four years, bernie sanders has made made no inroads in the black community. in fact, he's doing the same or worse than he did four years ago. it's stunning, i think, that, again, biden is the only guy left standing because biden is the only guy who had support, large support, among black voters. it's not hard. it's just not hard to figure everybody is ringing their hands and go why did this person get out of the race? it's not fair. if you're pulling 5% of black voters across the southeast, you're going to lose. >> yeah. there's no way you're going to be the democratic nominee. you're not going to -- you're going to get creamed in those primaries. as the other candidates did on super tuesday as bernie sanders did and the figures he's getting

down there among white voters are almost identical to what he got four years ago. it is incredible. i mean, look, black voters in the south, you know, when i was in south carolina, in advance of the primary down there, i can't tell you how -- i can't overemphasize how pragmatic and cold eyed voters i talked to were about this race and about bernie and about joe and bernie just didn't make the sale. people just weren't convinced. they knew joe biden. they liked joe biden. when jim clyburn came out with his emotional and strong endorsement, people were just like, okay, yeah, that's right. and they went with it and it had this incredible ripple effect

across the south and, i mean, i understand why bernie sanders is basically throwing in the towel. but the thing is, if you throw in the towel on african-american voters, i don't -- i don't see a path. maybe he thinks that working class whites in the midwest are going to somehow save his candidacy. it's just difficult for me to imagine that. he's going to get creamed in mississippi, he's going to get creamed in florida. and i just don't see him doing women. coming up on "morning joe," elizabeth warren still has plenty to say about the presidential race. we'll look ahead to her ongoing role in the nomination fight. o role in the nomination fight

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dropped out of the 2020 presidential race. senator warren said she will not be endorsing another candidate right away. >> i want to express a sense of gratitude for every single person who tried on a new idea, everyone who was involved in this fight, every single person who just moved a little in their notion of what a president of the united states should be.

>> hard working folks across this country have gotten the short end of the stick over and over again. that's been the fight of my life. >> supporters who don't know who to support now? >> well, let's take a deep breath and spend a little time on that. >> joining us now, the reporter who asked that question alley vitale. >> elizabeth warren, and in terms of who she is going to back, i listen youed to her interview last night. i didn't pick up a lot of warmth towards bernie sanders and supporters for the way she was treated over the course of this campaign. what is your sense of where she may lean? >> you know, willie, i didn't pick up a lot of warmth there, either. you compare the way she talked about former vice president joe biden, who she does have a lot of policy differences with. she described him last night as

a decent man and did make note of the fact that they come at these policy goals from completely different places, but that she does believe at the end of day he's someone who wants to do what's right. and then you look at the bernie sanders fuvend and t sanders fund and the way she talk bes him. there's not a lot of personal praise there and those are two candidates who have called each other friends maybe in the washington sense of the word. but on the campaign trail, they had a sense of tauvent until that news in january where knee news of that 2018 meeting came out where sanders told he he didn't think a woman could be president. the endorsement could go either way at this point. you heard her there. she wants to take a beat. but what was tristriking to me the way she offered a bit of criticism for sanders and his supporters last night in that interview with rachel maddow. that's something she started to do with me in an interview a few weeks ago. listen to what she had to say

last night. >> it's not just me. it's a real problem with this online bullying and organized nastiness. and i'm not talking about just who said mean things. i'm talking about some really ugly stuff that went on. and i want to say this for all of the candidates back when there are lots of us. we are responsible for the people who claim to be our supporters and do really ugly dangerous things for two or candidates. >> and it's a particular problem with sanders supporters. >> it is. and it just is. it's just a factual question. and it is. and that's something i think that -- >> have you ever talked with senator sanders about that? >> i have. >> what was that conversation like? >> it was short. but, yeah, we've talked about it. but i think it's a problem. >> and, look, i think even aside from the way that she's talking about joe biden and bernie

sanders, as i sort of pull back and look at this campaign, it was a campaign that relied so heavily on grassroots 70s r efforts. it's overtaking this race. you guys started the show talking about -- i think that's the solid point of all of this is by the time elizabeth warren was part of a three-person field, she was reassessing her campaign. >> obviously, this is still fresh for elizabeth warren to the campaign. what's your sense talking to people around her about what exactly happened? as you point out, she was

leading the polls last fall and then when it came time to vote, third in iowa, fourth in new hampshire, fourth in negative nevada, fifth in south carolina and third in her home state of massachusetts. what's the sense of what happened between the fall and when the voting started? >> i do think that we can't understate the importance of that medicare for all moment that she had. a lot of others in the field were pressing her to talk about how she would pay for medicare for all the impact on middle class taxes. they came out with a very specific answer. but the problem coming with this, i think the other side of being that is a lot of ink will be spilled over in the next coming weeks. she would have much more to say about it. we were not going to not hear from elizabeth warren.

my conversations with women and i'm sort of having a flashback to the conversations i was having in 2016. the fact that you went have having the most diverse democratic slate of candidates ever to now having the options that we have here. the thing that i've been hearing consistently is gender did loom large over this race. >> thank you so much. and coming up on "morning joe," president trump likes to -- when talking about a crisis happening today. we'll talk to chris lou who served as white house cabinet secretary under the prepresident. e house cabinet secretary under the prepresident prpresident. preside. . . . t

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the release of the monthly jobs report, sara eisen has the numbers for us from the new york stock exchange. sara. >> good morning, mika. this is a very strong jobs report. so for the month of february, the u.s. economy added 273,000 jobs. that was way better than economists were looking for at 175 or so. the unemployment rate takes down to 3.5%. also better than expected and hovering near that 50-year low. wages continue to gain for americans, .3% higher which is good to see. and as a bonus, both january and december, so the two prior months were revised higher. now, the bad news, this is all old news. and ordinarily, this would be the kind of report that you would celebrate that investors would celebrate. but guess what? we're looking at a stock market open down around 700 points on the dow because this is considered old news. the fear now on wall street is a

slowdown of the u.s. economy as a result of coronavirus fears. and so this snapshot was taken in mid february. we really didn't start to get those headlines in coronavirus until the end of february. so the question is what now. look, it does show us that the economy was on a very solid footing heading into this scare, but the reason the market has been so volatile -- and i mean extraordinary moves, 4%, 3%, 1,000 point moves on the dow lately, and it looks like today is no exception is because you have industries like cruise ships and airlines and concert venues and theme parks all predicting a big slowdown as people read these headlines and get fearful about going out and as we wait to hear what the recommendations are for the u.s. government. and as we basically do not know the number of cases in the united states and what the consumer behavior reaction will be. >> so, sara, donnie deutsch. we've seen rate cuts, we've seen

knot great job numbers. what could possibly be news that will move the market up? i can come up with a thousand news items that keep taking it down. give me the news that the street is waiting for that is going to stop this hemorrhaging. >> it's not the news from the federal reserve and it's not the news on the economy. it's going to be the news from the nih, from dr. anthony faucchi. >> what would be a statement he could say at this point that is going to calm the markets? >> so we ask investors this all the time. they want to see the virus numbers have peaked. it doesn't feel like that at all. they want to see that tests are being administered on a larger scale so we can get a better sense of just how many people have this disease and what the mortality rate would be. so we want to see some sort of climax here so we can look to the other side and say, okay, it's going to be with us for this long so we can look at an economic recovery. it's just so hard to see because the only example, donnie, we

have is china where they put in place these draconian quarantines that we just can't do in this country. so we can't look to them as an example for which this is going to peak and when the activity is going to come back because we don't have a sense of how long it's going to be with us. we also want to know whether there's any evidence that warm weather will help this virus go away. we're looking towards singapore with their warmer weather, but not get ago definitive answer on that. so i think when there's some sense from the health authorities that the numbers are peaking, that will be a key psychological mark for the market. but unfortunately now we're in a sea of uncertainty. >> cnbc's sara eisen, thank you very much for that report. and this morning, the white house announced that president trump will no longer be traveling to the cdc headquarters in atlanta today saying in a statement, quote, the president does not want to interfere with the cdc's mission to protect the health and welfare of their people and the agency. joining us now, professor of

history at tulane university, walter isaacson and former deputy labor secretary under president obama, chris lou who recently wrote for the washington monthly that the coronavirus is bad, trump could make it worse. so let's start there. actually, chris, because given the fact that you've had some experience with this, working in another previous administration, is the biggest crux for this white house the fact that the truth has been hard to come by? >> yeah. you know, the best thing the president could go for the cdc is actually to let the cdc experts make the decisions and to speak to the american people. you know what? you need a president in times like this who relies on government experts who makes decisions based on science and facts, who is willing to hear bad news and who is willing to deliver bad news to the american people. unfortunately, what we've seen over the last week is a president who continues to give misleading information, whether it's about how soon we're going to see a vaccine, whether it's

about the mortality rates, whether it's about the obama administration potentially impeding testing of patients. all of that is not true and that's not helpful and that's one of the reasons why the markets are reacting the way they are right now. >> walter, it's interesting and kind of scary, actually, when you think about it. you think of past enormous national emergencies. crises, whether it was the ebola breakout or whatever was going on that people in this country were worried about. and there was always one strong national voice that could take to television and address the nation and calm the fears or point out the exact direction that we were taking as a nation to combat the emergency. and it was usual the president of the united states. and yet today, do you think anybody would believe the president of the united states? >> the biggest problem i think with the president -- >> oops. >> well, the president just cut

him off. >> chris, let me ask you the same question that the trump administration clearly didn't want walter's answer on air. what is yours? >> look, i think that's exactly right. when i worked for president obama, we dealt with multiple crises, anything from h1n1 to hurricane sandy and ebola. we had a competent stable group of people who had been through these crysys before. and oftentimes you need a president who is willing to get out there and say something that you frankly doesn't want to say. i remember during deepwater horizon, that went on for five months or so. the president had to go out and give an oval office address where he said, look, we've made progress, but the oil has continued to flow out of the gulf for potentially months to come and we just have to sort of deal with that. you don't have the sense right now that we have a president who is willing to deliver that bad

news. and there is a fine line you have to walk between complacency and panic. right now, he's clearing erring on the side of complacency. >> chris, when we look at what the president -- we take away the president's response just for a moment and we have some incredible doctors heading up this team. but what about the basic infrastructure of our team. there was infrastructure there to handle the crisis. also every agency, there is always some coordination. do you see that with this administration? >> that is exactly right. the white house can't actually do anything. it's agencies that have programs, they have money, they have authority. so you need competent people running your agency.

we created a pandemic coordinator and that was taken away in 2018. that has been taken away. >> walter isaacson, before you went dark on us, you were talking about presidential leadership and you were saying? >> i was saying that the problem with president trump to me is not that he tells untruths, it's that it's random. sometimes it's untrue and every now and then he stumbles across a truth. so you just don't know what to believe. if he was always saying untruths, then you could figure it out. we had earl long down here to see the way we know he's lying, if his lips are moving, he's lying. with trump, he cannot be reassuring even if he stumbles across a few things that are probably true.

for example, i do think that once we get more testing and they've messed that up completely, we'll see one piece of bad news which is a lot more people have been infected or exposed to this virus, but the good news will be that the mortality rate probably will go down. when he said that, everybody laughed at him. but the mortality rate for this virus is going to be less than some of the other pandemics we've had. and yesterday w don't have somebody we can trust. >> so, walter, i want to get your thoughts on the week that was. joe biden's candidacy was all but over in the minds of many. >> there is a really big thing

happening. in the age of trump, people are yearning for someone who has some kindness, some sense of decency. joe biden cares. people say enough of this, especially in times of crisis, especially when people are hurting. and i've always felt that that was joe biden's strength and i'm not surprised at all that in a time like this, people have rallied back around him. >> yeah. you wonder also, chris, as we're watching this virus outbreak play out and this administration fumble, how clear is it going be down line given your experience with this type of thing that the administration missed the boat, that trump missed the boat on

the coronavirus? >> you know, an understated quality of leadership is experience and competence. that is one of the key things for joe biden. he has been in government a long time. he served as vice president. he had to handle a lot of crises including getting the recovery act money out the door in 2009, 2010. he knows how to manage these situations. this is the moment that will show why competent leadership matters in the white house. >> all right. walter isaacson and chris lou, thank you both. on monday, pete buttigieg will be our guest, his first interview since dropping out of the race and endorsing joe biden. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. at ameriprise our financial advisors can not only recognize you in a crowd, but recognize what's important to you in terms of your goals get 1-to-1 goal-based advice where and when you want and real-time goal tracking online. ameriprise financial

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popcorn, cracker jack, and talking baseball, not just food found in the ballpark. joining us, a man who had a 30 year major league career, trainer for st. louis cardinals and oakland athletics, barry wi weinburg. >> what a career. you've seen it all. you see movies, we find out that the socializing doesn't usually happen in the stadium, barry, the real stories happen after the game when they go around to restaurants after the game and talk about the game, talk about life. you've written a book about that through all your years, what incredible stories you have in here. >> well, thanks very much. you know, it was a labor of love. also you're exactly correct. some of the best times you have

are spending times with people that you work with and people you get to meet and network through your meetings and it has been an amazing run. >> barry, this is mike barnicle in new york. i have seen you maybe a thousand times running out onto the field with the a's or cardinals, with a player sliding into second base. parts of the book have to do with people you had dinner with at various restaurants around the country, so i want to first ask you how many glasses of red wine do you think tony larussa consumed in the course of his baseball career, and secondly, you mentioned ted williams as one of the interesting characters you met. tell me a ted williams story. >> well, the great part, when i grew up in silver spring, maryland, outside washington, d.c. i was a huge washington senator fan. i was very fortunate to have frank howard move across the street from me, washington's biggest star, homerun hitter.

he found out how my love of baseball, he used to take me to the ballpark early to watch batting practice. would give me a ticket, go up in the stands, i'd watch the game. i got to drive him home after the game which was a big thrill. anyway, one day i'm on the bench next to ted williams, manager of the senators. they were playing the milwaukee brewers. dave bristol was the manager of the brewers. he was the youngest manager in baseball at the time at 38 years old. one of the pitchers comes by ted williams, and says skipper, how come you don't throw batting practice. their manager throws batting practice. ted williams looked at him, said when i was 38 years old, i hit .388. end of conversation. >> that will end the conversation, yeah. >> just sitting there as a young kid at 17 years old, you're sitting next to ted williams. i believe one of the greatest

players in the history of the game, that started my love of baseball and i continued playing and starting in minor leagues with the pirates, 33 year career in the major leagues. >> willie geist, congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> i am curious how you watched the arc of relationship between players and fans change over the years, there are romantic stories, mickey man tell hits two homeruns, you could see him up the street having a beer with fans, guys working summer jobs because the money wasn't like it is now. how ball players changed themselves over the years as you've gone to restaurants, spent time around them. >> i think that's a great point. also what's changed is social media aspect. you know, my first year was with the new york yankees. we're in spring training in ft. lauderdale. in a small locker room. clubhouse man would put one of

our veteran players, one of the players that would come in, old timers that would spend time as an instructor would come in, you would share your locker with one of the old timers. well, i come in one morning and over my locker says weinberg, man tel mantle. i shared my locker with him. did you get pictures, autographs? i said first of all, it was 1979, you had to buy a camera, load it with film, then you had to get it developed, week later find out it didn't come out. no, it wasn't as easy and they weren't as accessible as it is now with videos and cell phones and stuff like that. i think that's changed a lot. i think that the players and people have to be a little more protective, a little careful where they go, what they say, who they're seen with because of

social media. >> barry, donny deutsche. want to drift from baseball to basketball. you were a grad trainer assistant. he was a young general at that point. give us a bobby knight story. >> well, funny part was i was the grad assistant trainer for coach in the '74, '75 team, genesis of the great championships. one day i had to take the team by myself because the head trainer for football was the head trainer for basketball as well. this was an exhibition game. we had to go to fort wayne, indiana. bob knight sits above, watches the entire court while the two assistants coach the game. right before the first half, scott may turns his ankle. i said to one of tassistants, ought to get may out of the game. said fine. diligent young grad assistant trainer looking at scott's

ankle, doors of locker room flow open hatlf time, i hear a bell ohhed voice say who took may out. i said i did. then i went oh, my god. what did i do. this is an out of body experience, you'll never graduate, never get a job, never get invited back to campus. probably at that time death was welcome. i am staring at the 6'5" most intimidating hall of fame coach. he looks down at me, he says it is a good thing you did or i was going to. i went oh. so at the time i worked for the pirates, went to spring training. i went up to him, said coach knight, he said what. i think here's another out of body experience. first of all, why are you doing this, he doesn't know who you are, nor does he care who you are or where you're going. said coach, i am going to spring

training with pittsburgh pirates, i wanted to thank you very much for time i got to spent here, want to wish you the best of luck in the tournament. i think what does the response mean. he puts his arm on my shoulder, said make sure you put my name at the top of your reference list. thanks for all your help. a side of him people don't see. he cared a lot about a lot of people. >> lovely. the book is "eating my way through baseball." legendary stories with a major league bite. thank you so much for being on. >> thanks for having me. >> all right. great to have him. >> it has been quite a week, willie. final thoughts? >> we've got more news on the coronavirus this morning. microsoft says a couple of its employees have contracted and been diagnosed with coronavirus. this is a story that obviously is not going away, there are school closings across the country already.

mike barnicle, this is something the president will have to grapple with perhaps differently than he has, putting medicine and science front and center instead of his own polls. >> thus far we're not yet a third world nation, we're the united states of america, get the test kits going. >> we said throughout the trump presidency, what if there's a crisis, a national crisis, we have this madman at the wheel, we're seeing it now. we're in the what if stage. >> i think we're going to see it play out a lot in the primary, especially in michigan. interesting to see what happens tuesday. >> it has been an extraordinary week. we go into the weekend. maybe a bit more confident with how the democratic race is going to turn out, what the fall election may look like. that's gained a shape of its own. mika, when it comes to the coronavirus, we hope and pray the government will get in front of it.

>> yeah. >> so this won't morph into a pandemic. >> music festival in miami is postponed. that does it for us. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi there, joe, mika. thank you so much. we start with breaking news. the president is signing the $8 billion package to fight coronavirus, happening now. we know 14 americans have died with more than 200 cases in the country. we'll keep you updated on any updates as you get them. we have to turn now starting our day with the 2020 race. it is a whole new ball game out there. senator elizabeth warren facing endorsement dilemma after suspending her presidential campaign. >> i will not be running for president in 2020, but i guarantee i will stay in the fight for hard working folks acro