>> there are children in this world just like conrad, and i can't even imagine anything like this happening again. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline," i'm natalie morales, thank you for watching. first up on msnbc, major developments in the coronavirus crisis, the outbreak growing worldwide, the death toll rising in the u.s. now, new questions about test kits and whether the government is doing enough. >> anybody that needs a test gets a test. they're there. they have the test. if there's somebody coming off the ship like the big monster ship that's out there right now, they would like to have the people come off. i'd rather have the people stay. i like this stuff. i really get it. people are surprised i know so much about this. maybe i have a natural ability. >> from a huge change at a

warehouse store, the outbreak impacting daily life. mulvaney out, meadows in, why now is the time for the oval office shake up. front runner to second fiddle in a matter of days, the must win state for bernie sanders. >> it's saturday, march 7th. i'm lindsey reiser, kendis gibson and corey kaufman are off tonight. two people have died from coronavirus in florida. these are the first two fatalities on the east coast. meanwhile, on capitol hill, an urgent plea from a public health expert, in a briefing of congress yesterday one doctor from johns hopkins health system said the u.s. desperately needs more tests. >> not currently adequate and we need more. we need this as soon as we can have it. >> and off the coast of california, 19 crew members and

two passengers aboard the grand princess cruise ship have tested positive out of the 46 people tested yesterday. vice president pence said all passengers will be brought into a port sometime over the weekend to be tested. >> those that need to be quarantined will be quarantined. those that require additional medical attention will receive it. >> this morning, the total number of confirmed cases of coronavirus in the u.s. is 335 across 28 states. that includes the 21 people on the grand princess. nbc's scott cohn is live in san francisco. there are more than 3,500 people on this grand princess, what is next for those still on board? >> reporter: you know, that's not entirely clear. we know as you said they will not be coming into the cruise ship terminal in san francisco as was originally planned. they will be brought to what is being called a noncommercial facility, then brought in, all

the rest of them will be tested and as you heard the vice president say, they will then be quarantined, some will get medical attention if they need it. for now on board the ship all they can do is wait. >> got to be a conflict scenario, you know, with 33,000 plus people, you know, protecting the people on land, protecting us, you know, so we're hopeful. >> reporter: they also have to figure out for those who will be quarantined where they will go. we've had a number of people quarantined at military bases here in california, but all of that presumably is still being worked out. and as we know how things can go with quarantines on a cruise ship with covid-19, they really are racing against the clock here to come up with a plan. >> nbc's scott cohn, a very alarming situation off the coast of san francisco. thank you. meanwhile the coronavirus

has been making headlines across the country. in washington state, a starbucks in downtown seattle was closed and deep cleaned after a worker was diagnosed with coronavirus. starbucks said in a statement the employee is self-isolating at home. in california, an fbi employee in san francisco has tested positive for coronavirus. according to officials, that employee is based out of a smaller satellite office, not the main offices in san francisco. and stanford university starting monday will be holding classes online for the next two weeks, this as the university announced a faculty member has tested positive for coronavirus. at lax, a second medical screener has tested positive for the virus. officials believe the new case is linked to another lax worker who was confirmed to have the virus earlier this week. and in austin, texas, south by southwest, the annual famous tech film and music conference has been cancelled. the ten-day event was scheduled

to begin next friday. hundreds of thousands of people were expected to attend. officials say there are currently no confirmed cases of covid-19 in austin. joining me now is clinical assistant prefers of medicine and infectious diseases at new york school of medicine and bellevue hospital, dr. selene gounder. the number of cases is going up, do you expect the infection race is going to keep increasing. >> i think we need to separate the number of cases being reported and the infection rate. you are going to see a big spike in cases that are reported as testing rolls out. we have seen similar patterns, for example, in china when they adjusted their case definitions to include not just lab testing but cat scans for example, and they changed their definitions again. i think that is to be expected. but we are for sure seeing increased transmission broadly in communities across the u.s. now. >> i think what's scaring a lot of people also is that some people could have the virus and not know it, exhibit no

symptoms. is that common. >> we're realizing more and more that that is common, people can be asymptomatic. what's reassuring is actually for most people, this will not be a severe illness. >> the daily mail spoke to a couple who were aboard the diamond princess docked outside of japan and the woman said she tested positive, she has been sick for nearly a month. her husband tested positive but is one exhibiting no symptoms. if someone does get coronavirus, how long can that average person expect to be sick for. will they need to be quarantined the whole time even if they don't feel sick? >> it really depends on how severe an illness they have. for some people, they may not feel sick at all, for some around 14 days or so, and for people who end up in the hospital, those people could be out to a month beyond their

first hospitalization. >> what symptoms should people be looking for, if you are feeling these symptoms, do you ride it out, immediately go to your primary care physician? >> the way we think about -- so we know the coronavirus infects the upper and lower respiratory tracts, when we talk about upper respiratory, nose, throat, lower being lungs. your symptoms mirror that. you can have a runny nose, fever, cough, sore throat if it's upper respiratory. lower, fever, coffugh, more of shortness of breath because that's more pneumonia. a wide range of symptoms. in terms of what to do, well, i think a lot of health care providers are one, afraid of having patients with this in their offices which is a whole other can of worms so to speak and many are very confused about how to even get patients tested. what i would do, call your local or state public health department. a lot of them are setting up hot

lines for patients who have concerns and they can help you navigate the process. >> if you are feeling terribly sick and want to go to the er, should you call first? >> what i would say is mask up before you go in. that could be something like a bandanna or scarf. if you sneeze or cough, it will trap your respiratory secretions inside. when you show up, tell them as soon as you come in, i think i may have coronavirus, and they should have a protocol to put you in a separate room from everybody else. let's talk about testing kits, what are they testing for, how much do the kits talk and what do you do if you can't afford it. >> the testing kits are testing for rna, like dna for us. that's one challenge with the tests is some of the people who may be reporting positive even after they have gotten better, that may just be sort of the finger prints that are left over. we don't know that that's infectious r

infectious virus at this point. these are things scientists and doctors are trying to figure out. some of the characteristics of the test. we're being told that insurance will now be required to cover it, however, when you go in for a test, it's not just the cost of the test but the cost of the patient visit with the doctor, the cost of the facility. there's so many other costs involved, to say we're going to provide this for free, really what we need to do is what we do for sexual transmitted disease testing, you have clinics set up to provide everything for free. >> let's talk about containment and, you know, it is disrupting daily life. everybody's kind of thinking about it. should you maybe be a little more apt to stay home and not venture out quite as much. >> i think it depends to some degree on who you are and where you are. if you're somebody who's definitely in your 70s, 80s, above, i would certainly say, you know, may lay low for now. if you have chronic conditions,

we're not talking about high blood pressure or cholesterol, we're talking about real disease, lung disease,hearted disease, kidney disease, if you have autoimmune, immu knno suppression. and this depends on how much transmission is in your own area. >> dr. celine gounder. stay with us, we're going to be talking to you later in the show. during the visit to the cdc president trump urged the public to remain strong and urged health officials scrambling to get the availability of test kits. >> people are doing a good job. these scientists are doing a phenomenal job. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. all i say is be calm. we have the greatest people in the world. everyone is relying on us. anybody that needs a test can

have a test. they're all set. in addition to that, they're making millions of more as we speak. >> nbc's hans nichols is following the president in florida. good morning to you. the president urging calm, but the administration's mixed messaging on this, probably not helping. >> reporter: well, where the mixed message is acute is on the issue of how many tests are available, and what you actually need to get a test. the president yesterday at the cdc in atlanta clearly saying that the test would be available to anyone. there's a briefing in the white house, vice president mike pence tried to clarify saying only on doctors orders would anyone who suspects they might have the virus be allowed to get the test. on the numbers they had promised 1.5 million tests. it looks like a couple hundred thousand short of that as the president mentioned at the cdc, they are trying to ramp that up. in general, the president and his aides are trying to urge

calm. they say this has been mostly or largely contained. the president is also, and have a listen to this, giving himself high marks for handling the crisis. >> i think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down. we've really been very vigilant. we've done a tremendous job at keeping it down. i like this stuff. i really get it. people are surprised i understand it. every one of these doctors say how do you know so much about this. i have a natural ability. maybe i should have done that instead of running for president. >> the president weighed in for what should happen to the passengers off the grand princess, the president suggesting they shouldn't be brought on shore, concerned that would raise the overall numbers of infections in the united states, and mentioned it is vice president mike pence who made the decision, pence authorized them to come on shore and begin some sort of testing protocol. >> another major development overnight, the president

announcing congressman mark meadows will become white house chief of staff, did this come as a surprise and what led up to this? >> reporter: yes and no. there have been conversations and we have been reporting meadows was on thin ice for a long time. the president always denied those stories, though, and third-degree largely been quiet for the last couple of weeks. remember, meadows was off in the united kingdom talking about oxford saying he doesn't know how long he will last. that didn't register that much. last night, the president with his tweet, announcing mark meadows who he's, mick mulvaney, a south carolina former congressman, meadows will now come in. we'll see to what extent he assembles his team, and we'll see who he keeps on, and i suspect, but i would hedge this heavily that this is going to be the final team heading into the

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persuasive evidence that the taliban may not honor their end of the historic peace deal. one official familiar with the intelligence told nbc news they have no intention of abiding by their agreement. this was confirmed by two other officials. on friday, the president was asked if the taliban could overrun afghanistan. >> eventually countries have to take care of themselves. we can't be there for another 20 years. we have been there for 20 years. it's not supposed to happen that way but it possibly will. >> the u.s. and taliban signed the peace deal last week that paved the way for a total withdrawal of american troops from afghanistan. a new house report cites three factors that led to two deadly boeing 737 max crashes that killed 346 people. it blamed boeing's culture of concealment, grossly insufficient federal oversight, and general cost cutting. the democratic controlled committee found boeing found

immense pressure competing with rival air bus. >> 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. and lift off. >> spacex successfully launched the falcon 9 rocket from cape canaveral, florida, the rocket is hauling 4,000 pounds of provisions and experiments to the space station, and another milestone for the company, the booster rocket made its 50th successful landing. cargo should reach the iss by monday if all goes according to plan. now to race for the white house, we're down to just three democratic candidates. former vice president joe biden, senator bernie sanders and hawaii congresswoman tulsi gabbard. march will be a big month for the candidates with primaries and caucuses in eleven states, puerto rico and the mariana islands. after a big showing on super tuesday, joe biden leads the delegate count with 621. votes are still trickling in from california which could help

bernie sanders narrow that gap. congresswoman tulsi gabbard has two delegates which could keep her out of the next debate. the democratic national committee has changed the qualifying rules again requiring candidates to hold at least 20% of the delegates awarded before the march 15th debate. the next round of primaries on tuesday will offer up 352 delegates across six states, but it's michigan and its 125 delegates that sanders and biden are focused on. senator amy klobuchar is stumping through the state in support of biden speaking to hundreds at a women for biden event near detroit. she says biden is the candidate who will make a difference. since his victory on super tuesday, biden racked up endorsements from politicians to former candidates, including illinois senator dick durbin, reuben g reuben, chicago mayor lori lightfoot, sanders spending time

in detroit for a rally and round table when reporters asked him to respond to biden's endorsement, sanders said that's not the support that matters. >> we have the support of virtually every major grass roots organization in this country representing working people and low income people, and you know what, at the end of the day, i'd rather have the support of organizations that represent millions of working class people, low income people who are demanding justice in this country than the support of establishment politicians. >> biden and sanders are in three states three days ahead of the netflix primaries. joining me now is nbc news campaign amanda goldman in michig michigan. what is amy klobuchar's motivation here is there any chance she's going to be his vp pick? >> reporter: senator amy klobuchar is the first major presidential candidate to be out

campaigning on behalf of a candidate still the in race. just yesterday she was campaigning saying while it was hard to end her campaign, she can find no other better way than to join his. when asked directly, she never engaged in hypotheticals and is trying to hone in on joe biden's message. i spoke with her yesterday and asked about state of the race and starting off with the most diverse field in the history of the democratic party to now having two white men in their 70s at the prominence of the ticket possibility so take a listen to what she had to say about that. >> every single time kamala and the rest of us were on the debate stage, we broke a glass ceiling and a lot of people knew we were all running and got excited about the race because of that. i think that having so many women up there on that stage, it was ground breaking on its own. literally the first night of the debate in the primary, we doubled the number of women that had ever run for president on

the first night. so that's how i look at it, and the voters decided. it was up to the voters. >> reporter: so you really heard her just leaning into the historic nature of having so many female candidates but listening to what joe biden had to say and pushing forward his message for hopefully to be the nominee for president. >> there's a really interesting rule in michigan that allows some people there to vote twice, basically residents who have cast their absentee, they can change their vote, known as spoiling a vote. how does this work, how much confusion could it cause, we have 600,000 of the state's absentee ballots returned. >> here in michigan, which votes on tuesday, there is this rule that you can quote unquote spoil a vote. so for the over 900,000 absentee ballots sent out in the state. 600,000 have been returned and that's for voters who have sent in absentee ballot that can change their vote, and it's largely due to those who want to change from having voted for

someone who previously dropped out of the race to a candidate still in the race. as we have seen in the last week, numerous candidates have dropped out. this gives michigan voters an opportunity to change their support to allow them to vote for someone who is still in the race. it's an interesting move, especially with such a volatile field and everything continuing to shake up to allow those voters to be able to have a second stay here in michigan. >> and michigan's office of secretary of state says 24,000 absentee ballots are considered spoiled. that was as of yesterday at 2:00 p.m. they expect that number to go up. nbc's amanda golden, thank you. let's head to this morning's must reads, first as the democratic presidential race tightens, harold meyerson with the l.a. times, biden appeals to the older voters, sanders to the young, that has to change. the democrats have a problem, neither joe biden or bernie sanders has put together a coalition that can defeat donald trump. he goes on to say each is bombing with the other's base. joining me is nicholas wu

politics reporter with usa today. how can the eventual nominee bridge the divide, is either candidate better poised to do so? >> i think what we're seeing at this point is the bifurcation of the race in progressive and moderate camps. all eyes will be on both candidates for their eventual vice presidential pick, and for biden it will be someone who can appeal to the progressive side to unite the party around his eventual nomination if that's the case, and sanders if he's the nominee, he'll look towards a vice presidential nominee that can win over biden's base, maybe a more moderate vp pick. >> and that thinking goes against the next op-ed, "the washington post", henry olsen, saying biden klobuchar, klobuchar would do for biden what gore did for clinton. she is a traditional center left democrat who builds bridges rather than walls. she is comfortable campaigning

in moderate tones, while being unafraid to dust it up with republicans and highlight their differences. how realtististic would a pick that be. >> klobuchar is one of many names that has been floated but in order for biden to win, he's going to need someone who can win over some of sanders base, as the other op-ed made clear, it's going to be important to bring together all parts of the party if they're going to beat president trump. so he might look towards something like the reasons why obama chose biden in 2008, to balance out the ticket. >> olsen with the "washington post" wrote klobuchar as a woman would have distinct appeal to blue collar women who are likelier to switch back from trump than blue collar men. what's more important, trying to get bernie sanders voters or trying to get some of donald trump's voters. >> i think that would be something down to the voters to

decide but at least in terms of the lanes, klobuchar staked out a more moderate position and showed the polling around her can candidacy when it was still active. there will be pressure on biden as to which nominee he'll eventually pick. >> and plolitico's rich lowry takes a look at why the democratic establishment has juice. one reason it was widely assumed sanders would take a significant delegate lead is we had a direct analog, republicans nominated donald trump in 2016 when he jumped out to a lead by winning plurality victories against a fractured field. if republicans couldn't unite to dump trump, the democrats managed it speaks to the different mood and dynamic of the party compared with the gop in 2016. what do you make of this parallel. what's your sense of the mood in the democratic party right now? >> i think what we saw over the

last week was a real consolidation of the candidates. we had i think seven candidates running last week and now down to effectively two front runners, and we saw the more moderate candidates coalesce around joe biden. what this shows is more of the effect that certain endorsements can have. people like buttigieg, klobuchar, and beto o'rourke coming out in support of joe biden right before super tuesday helped him coalesce and consolidate with the moderate base going into those contests and allowing him to win more decisively. >> and of course jim clyburn right ahead of south carolina, the importance of the endorsement. nicholas wu thank you for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. new questions about testing for coronavirus, the mixed messages from the trump administration over who should get tested and can they actually get the test. nd can they actualy get the test

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communities when you don't actually know who has the coronavirus and a lot of people are critical of the government and the cdc for having tests early on that did not work. and not using the six weeks between the emergence of the virus in china and when it started to appear in the u.s. to actually get tests up and running in a major way, and so president trump, he can say that all the tests are there, but his own vice president who usually does not conflict with him, he knows that he needs to maintain credibility in this emergency scenario. >> well, let's hear more of what the president said yesterday. >> i think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down. we've really been very vigilant, we have done a tremendous job of keeping it down. i like this stuff. every one of these doctors said how do you know so much about

this. maybe i have a natural ability. maybe i should have done that instead of running for president. >> what does this tell us about the president and his concerns regarding coronavirus. >> i think it tells us, and he's a very confident person, and that he thinks he is the most important and most knowledgeable expert on all matters. and so i think he also is mindful of the political concerns in that there's an election in november, and he is not seen as doing a good job in managing this crisis, then his voters could turn on him or at least enough swing voters could say, hey, he has not managed this well. he has not implemented the right procedures or corralled the government which has many acting officials and political important appointee jobs and that could really hurt him down the road, and so this, you know, he wants to avoid that black eye, but if he makes all of these statements that say

everything is under control and then things spiral out of control, that would not age well. >> so daniel, let's talk about balancing the idea of optics, knowing we have an election coming up in november, and the safety of the american public. we have this task force. we have the entire health community of the country on this. should people be generally assuaged that the government has a handle on this? >> i don't want to raise alarm bells and say the government does not have a handle on this. but there are significant issues in how the government has handled this issue. and so i think it's kind of incumbent on the entire government to do as much as they can, and i think we have pretty good faith that they are trying. it's just a matter of actually succeeding in getting a handle on stopping this outbreak, but you should also remember that the government is not all

powerful in china, which has a dictatorship, they have been able to basically halt economic activity in large parts of the country to prevent their outbreak from getting worse, and the u.s. people can live their lives normally with more precautions if, you know, to try to kind of get america to keep going before we have to kind of isolate ourselves if things get bad. >> daniel lippman, thanks for joining us this morning. now to trending topics on the coronavirus outbreak, the white house is imposing new restrictions on guests. this is all part of an effort to prevent people from infecting the president and west wing staff. guests will now have to disclose all the countries they visited in the past 30 days and more restrictions may be put in place as the outbreak continues. the white house may even suspend guest tours and check visitors' temperatures as they enter the building. delivery company post mates

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products are flying off the shelves and selling out online. amazon and walmart sellers are being accused of price gouging after the price of hand sanitizer skyrocketed over the last few days. both retailers say they are actively working to take down overpriced items. joining me now is infectious diseases specialist and epidemiologist at ny school of medicine, dr. celine gounder, welcome back. how long does the virus live on surfaces. how can you properly disinfect your areas? >> based on what we know about other coronaviruses as well as some recent data about this one, it looks like the coronavirus can stick around for like nine to ten days on a surface, but it's really dependent on temperature and humidity. in terms of how to disinfect surfac surfa surfaces, you don't need anything fancy, lysol or 409 is fine.

>> how often should we be wiping. >> if it's a dining room table that no one ever uses, no one goes into the room of the house, it's not an issue, like your keyboard, and you know, this is one thing when i work at the hospital, i actually do wipe down my keyboard at the beginning and end of every day with a disinfectant wipe. bathroom surfaces, kitchen surfaces, those tend to be the dirtiest, those you might want to consider wiping down more often. >> people are talking about making your own hand sanitizer, my mom even sent me a text saying these are the instructions to make your own hand sanitizer of all things is this an effective alternative. >> you can do that. the key is you want to hit total percentage of alcohol in 60% or more in what you're making. one easy recipe you can use is rubbing alcohol, which is 99%

isopropel alcohol. we are seeing airlines lift change fees, should people generally consider if you don't have to travel, maybe stay home. spring break isn't that far away? >> i do think you have to think about this on a case by case basis. are you in one of the high risk groups, elderly, chronic conditions, traveling to and from an area that's dealing with community transmission. if there's a mismatch between the two places, that would be a reason not to travel. in other words if you're in the bay area, traveling to seattle. both areas have widespread transmission in the community at this point, but i probably wouldn't go from seattle to, i don't know, rural north dakota right now and vice versa. i think you have to sort of take it on a case by case basis. >> let's talk maybe about events then. south by southwest cancelling, a huge event, bringing so much money to austin,

we are seeing prince harry and meghan markle together in the united king dodom. the couple kicked off their farewell tour thursday at the endeavor fund awards in london. on friday, prince harry opened a racing museum. he was there to help. he stood alongside formula 1 champion lewis hamilton. their busy schedules continue over the coming days. tonight, we can expect to see them at a music festival. tomorrow, meghan attends international women's day. an event for the day. and then there is a commonwealth celebration monday. they officially step down as royals on the 31st. joining us now is a vo"vanity

fair" royal watcher. how are people reacting to this last hoorah? a lot of people saying they look very happy. >> i thought it was a marvelous red carpet appearance. the red carpet makeup. the pencil dress. the beautiful picture of them grinning in the rain taken by the award-winning photographer. and i should think that his coffers are filling up. it's a great picture. and they're here. already, it's gone slightly wrong because meghan markle attended the national theater yesterday. a surprise visit. and instant taneously stole the spotlight from -- cornwall so that completely wiped out her stepmother in law. she's -- there are things she doesn't quite get. but i think what happened, very interesting.

that when she appeared on the red carpet going to the endeavor awards and looked sweet and happy. and they both looked adorable. and a lot of the good will that we had here in england for her and for them, all came flooding back because we loved it when they got engaged. we loved the wedding, even if n they did have people they had only known for five minutes from the hollywood circuit attending the wedding and no friends and no family. and i think that it would take so very little to get the -- it takes nothing to get the good will back again. but i tell you exactly, looking at the newspaper today. this is "the daily telegraph." and this is what's known as the court circular, which records what the royal family were doing yesterday. by the way, there is no record now in the court secular of anything the duke and duchess of

sussex are doing. they've been airbrushed. but this is what meghan markle's got away from. things like the prince of wales duke of cornwall, this morning vi visited ke visited sheepskin industrial estate. later on, his highness went to attend the surfing against sewage campaign . well, do you know something? going to attend surfing against sewage, it doesn't compare with being a star in california, does it? not a hollywood star. she looks incredibly happy. >> will they meet with the queen before moving to canada? is that going to be awkward? >> this is a very good question. yes, they will, on monday at the commonwealth service. and they were supposed to represent the commonwealth.

but they've had to step down from that. you can't have it all ways. and apparently, i mean, i don't think it'll be awkward because the queen is not an awkward person. but what we dou know, what i do know, is prince harry was very difficult at those summits. he did think he was going to be able to have it all. he was very tricky. and she is -- the queen is falling over herself to make absolutely certain that they do feel included in a family way. but they cannot be included, any longer, in a royal way. they're now -- they're not outcasts. they've chosen to go out into the world and make their own way. >> also, victoria, in fairness, we saw a complete disparagement between the headlines of coverage of kate middleton and coverage for meghan markle. so it sounds -- it seems like there was some reasoning for them wanting to step back.

>> well, i mean, for -- don't forget prince harry is -- is -- you know, has always been the spare to the heir. so i don't think meghan markle wanted to spend the rest of her life looking at kate middleton's back as she sat in the second row to the future queen. i do hear that she gave kate a knife for christmas. which is quite something, isn't it? i don't think she wanted -- she didn't want to be second best. and i don't think she got that that was what -- that is what the fusty-dusty protocol of the royal family consists of. it is a matter of precedence. it may all fall apart, become very different after -- when the queen dies. i think what is reallhas really

upset the british public is that meghan markle, who many people consider as only, you know, five clicks up from trailer trash, has actually tried to disrespect the queen. and the queen is the most-respected person, most-respected woman in the world. >> victoria mather, we should mention nbc nows has now confirmed what you had mentioned about a knife gifting. but we thank you for your time. thanks for joining us this morning. coming up, what lies ahead for the people who tested positive for coronavirus on a california cruise ship? also, it's harder than you might think. some advice for keeping your hands away from your face. your ? sales tax, different p-o-s systems in all seven countries. and online sales? that's a whole other system... and different regulations. therere'realal eate e crits,s, . and we have no way to integrate all that? no... but bdo does. peopopleho k kno knonow o.

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