thank you for watching msnbc live. i'll being ba i'll be back tomorrow. for now, stay tuned for velshi. two major democratic candidates remain. which vision of america's future will win out? 12% lost on wall street in a month. what main veestreet can do to protect its money. and 273,000 new jobs in february. the economy is holding. but could coronavirus tip the world into recession? velshi starts now. ghc good morning. i'll ali velshi. it has been a little over two months since covid-19 outbreak

began in wuhan. in that time, the number of global cases have surpassed 100,000. roughly 3400 people have died and the world health organization has declared a global emergency. here in the united states, there are now 335 confirmed cases across 28 states. 17 people have now died from the virus, 14 in washington state, one in california. and most recently, two people in florida. the first fatalities outside of the west coast. washington, california, maryland and utah have all declared a state of emergency. the federal government rushed covid-19 testing kits to a cruise ship that is quarantined off the coast of california. there are more than 3500 people on board that ship. vice president mike pence confirmed that 21 people on board that vessel have so far tested positive for the coronavirus. meanwhile, president trump visited the cdc headquarters in atlanta hours after signing an

$8.3 billion emergency funding bill to combat covid-19. that bill overwhelmingly but not unanimously passed the house on wednesday, 415-2. and it passed the senate 96-1 on thursday. and on a programming note, one of america's coronavirus patients karl goldman is joining me at the top of the next hour, he's been in quarantine in nebraska for more than a dozen days and will fill us in on exactly what it is like to have covid-19, including the symptoms and the treatment. but first joining me live from houston is dr. hote zechlz, sch tropical medicine at baylor and director of the texas children's hospital center for vaccine development. he recently told nbc news how several years ago his team of scientists were close to developing a vaccine to protect against a strain of coronavirus but then they ran out of money

and couldn't generate interest from anyone. doctor, thank you for joining me. tell us this story, this vaccine that you were working on, first of all, is it likely that it would have been effective for this strain of coronavirus covid-19 or would it have gotten us further in understanding the disease? >> well, ali, thanks so much to having me on this morning. you know, that's right, we develop vaccines for tropical diseases. and basically the vaccines that no one else wants to make because there is not a big financial return on them. so we've been pioneering this model of how you can develop vaccines in a nonprofit sector, baylor college of medicine and texas children's hospital. and then about a decade ago in collaboration with the new york blood center and the galveston national lab, we embarked on this project for coronavirus vaccines and we wound up developing one and getting around a problem because some coronavirus vaccines have a

safety issue called immune enhan enhancement. so we developed this vaccine that looked like it was safe as far as we could tell with the laboratory animals but we couldn't get the funds to advance it into clinical trials even after we had it manufactured. fortunately we kept it on stability protocol which means that we were checking on it every few months to make certain that it didn't degrade at all. and then when the chinese scientists started putting up information on a pre-print server called bio archive, we realized that our vaccine is bret clo pretty close to the one that you would want to make for the new coronavirus vaccine. so we thought that we could repurpose it for this new virus. so all hands on deck now. but the point is had we had those funds back in 2016 when we finally had it manufactured, this thing could have been ready to go. it was a high producing yeast

strain that was making it -- could have been made at low cost. so would have been a great vaccine candidate. not too late now. we'll move it into clinical trials. but that take at least a year, maybe 18 months. >> so if you are ready to go, but still some resistance, still some sense that, hey, coronavirus might burn itself up, might not be a big deal and then we've put all this money into clinical trials and producing this vaccine that may not have some future use. so there is still resistance, alleam i right? >> you are not seeing the big phrma companies jumping into this. and the reason is that because it will take a year, 18 months, maybe two years to have the vaccine available. so they are not certain if the coronavirus will still be around then, they want to see if it will come back year after year. otherwise it is a vaccine for stockpiling and who wants to invest a lot of money in research and development for a vaccine that won't necessarily

be used. so what you are seeing is a broken business model of how do we make vaccines for diseases that are not going to bring about a big financial return. so we're trying to see if we can get around this by developing it in the nonprofit sector and we've gotten now two or three vaccines in clinical trials for diseases such as hook waorm infection. the most important diseases you've never heard much because they are extremely common. >> yeah, we don't make medicines for poor people but we make them well for rich people. doctor, thank you for joining me. founding dean of the school of tropical medicine at baylor college of medicine, director of texas children's hospital center. thank you for being with us. december smilts tspite the seri president trump continues to down play all things coronavirus.

>> well, i think that the 3.4% is really a false number. now, this is just my hunch. we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting, and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better. an unforeseen problem. what a problem. came out of nowhere. but we're taking care of it. came out of china. i heard about it and we made a good move, we closed it down. we sopped it. otherwise the head of cdc said last night that you would have had thousands of more problems if we candidn't shut it down. it was a very early shutdown which is something that we got right. i think we're doing a good job in this country at keeping it down. we've been very vigilant and we've done a tremendous job at keeping it down. i like this stuff. i really get it. people are surprised that i understand it. every one of these doctors said

how do you know so much about it. maybe i have a natural ability, maybe i should have done that instead of running for president. >> in case you didn't hear that, he said maybe i should have done that instead of running for president. joining me now from washington, chris louie, he was a cabinet secretary during obama's first term and now a senior fellow at the university of virginia miller center, his latest piece in the washington monthly is the coronavirus is bad, trump could make it worse. and here in new york, the host of stand up with pete dominic podcast, my old friend pete dominic. gentlemen, thank you for being with me. chris, there are two parts to this. you heard me talking to a doctor, the vaccines, the testing, the scientific side of this. but when something becomes an epidemic and a public health crisis as this is developing into, the leadership, the guidance, the message going, the sense that there is a firm hand on the tiller is as important and you know, president trump saying that it is my hunch that that number is wrong, i've got a

feel for this. maybe i should have done this instead of being president. he doesn't instill the confidence that some of us need. >> no, one of the most important things that you could have at a time of crisis is public trust. and that is a problem for a president who has a problem with the trust and the truth. and you've got over the past week not only a series of mixed messaging, you've got now a partisan attack that we should talk about but outright lies. and it is not just him contradicting health officials on fatality rate, how soon a vaccine will be ready, whether sick workers should go. but yesterday he launched a swri vicious attack on the governor of washington, who is on the front lines of dealing with this crisis. 14 people in the state already died and the president is using this moment to launch a partisan attack. so there is a balance here between complacency and panic. and is thisthis is a president

erring toward complacency and too many people are indifferent to the global health crisis. >> and this is something that we need to do with our profession as well, balance complacency and risk. and you are not finding any of this funny. >> no, this is a tragedy and you have to try to find levity in it. i'm doing my best to point out the inaccuracies, the hypocrisies. but when he says this pandemic was unforeseen, that is like saying that a hurricane is unforeseen and we didn't know the sun was going to come up. this is exactly what government is supposed do. chris mentioned it, the trust in our leaders, whether there is any mayor or governor of this country would be in a better position because they are not concerned about the numbers. he looks at every new case like a ratings drop for "the apprentice." it is preposterous. it has to be about the american people. and even if it were the right thing to leave these americans

on the cruise ship, his insensitivity toward these people, they are americans, he doesn't care about them. >> he said i don't want to bring them in because it will double the number of cases we have for something that wasn't our fault. that is not what the concern should be. the concern is if you disembark these people, there are other things to deal with. >> he that high schohas no conc numbers or science. he doesn't believe in climate change. the sharpie that he used to determine the path wave the hurricane. anytime that he is talking about numbers or statistic, we have to turn him off. >> and i didn't say, you were the deputy secretary of labor. this is going to lay out in the labor force, right in for most people, they encounter most other people in their lives in their work. a massive number of americans work in businesses where they either work side by side with other people like we do or serve the public. this is where our product tifiv

will get lost and incomes will suffer. a lot of americans cannot make the choice it stay home because they don't have enough money to do so. a lot of americans cannot seek out the medical care that they need because they don't have the coverage. that is a fairly immediate problem that we don't have an immediate fix for. >> right. and we actually know one of the ways that you can solve it which having more paid sick leave policies. one quarter of workers in this country don't have paid sick leave through their employers. that number goes up significantly when you are talking about lower wage workers. so we're talking about retail employees, fast food workers who are often on the front lines of interacting with people, that doesn't even include the uber drivers, the doordash delivery people who are talking to the public all day long. and in this country when you've got 40% of americans who can't come up with $400 for an emergency expense, and you might have to stay home sick, and you don't have paid sick leave, not getting paid a day or two could

make the difference between paying your rent check or buying grocery ors not being able to do that. so this is a broader work issue that this president just isn't talking about. >> he gentlemyes, thank you for me. we have other big news that may have gotten lost in all these things coronavirus. vaul oig mick mulvaney is out as chief of sta staff. meadows is in, the fourth chief of staff. mulvaney is being september to northe sent to northern ireland as u.s. special envoy. hans nichols is traveling with the president. he has hollowed out the job as chief of staff because he acts essentially as his own chief of staff and one report said mulvaney's job was like that of the child at the dinner table, to be seen and not heard. will that change with meadows? >> reporter: potentially.

that chief of staff is not how my children are at any dinner table, but the historical analogy is maybe to lbj. lbj did not have a strong chief of staff. that position is created later in sort of the modern american presidency. so the idea that everyone has to have a chief of staff really comes into effect and then carter didn't have within either. and so really it comes in to effect with reagan. and it is baker who is thought of as this great chief of staff, of course he served two presidents. here is the issue with any chief of staff in any white house. you need to have direct access to the president. and mark meadow as apparently wl have that. but mick mulvaney was not always in the loop. that was apparent with kroefrn kroern a kroe coronavirus and the recent travel that mulvaney was doing. and your access and proximity to the president is always your real hold on power.

mulvaney and in the acting capacity never really had that. so we'll see if meadows as the permanent can can be more solidified and have a little bit more authority throughout the west wing. >> james baker when he was chief of staff to reagan, possibly the most important job in the world other than that of the president. that is not the case anymore. so does it matter that meadows is in and mulvaney is out? >> absolutely it matters. it absolutely matters whoever the chief of staff is because they have so many access. you want a chief of staff who will tell you the truth, who will give you good information. >> you might. trump doesn't. >> no, he wants a chief of staff who is a sycophant. mark meadows begged john boehner to forgive him and he'll probably be doing that every day with donald trump and trump will love that. but worth mentioning that the last three chiefs of staff, first of all, trump has a tweet back when obama was president 2012, three chiefs of staff in less than three years, part of the reason why barack obama

can't manage to pass his agenda. >> and now we're four. >> general john kelly reportedly called donald trump a moron. you can watch the video of the last chief of staff who is banished for nofrn ireland calling trump a terrible human. and mark meadows according to tim alberta, a political reporter, he says the month before the convention of 2016, the rnc, mark meadows toldhe fr that he was not going to the rnc because he feared living with the legacy of nominating the erratic donald trump. these are his last chiefs of staffs. >> good to see you, my friend. pete dominic and hans nicols. thanks, guys. still ahead, elizabeth warren once a frontrunner drops out of race. more on the state of women in politics in 2020, next. sleep.

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often the main thing -- the main issue candidates face is their likability, but this time it was the candidate's electability. after gaining momentum and millions, many believed that person could be massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. she had a plan for quite literally everything. and is credited by many and actually accepts responsibility for taking down michael bloomberg's presidential campaign. the atlantic says she wasn't just well qualified, but accomplished. and five other women threw their hat into the race. gillibrand dropped out in august. and kamala harris in december. and maryann williamson in january, amy klobuchar less than a week ago. and tulsi gabbard remains in the

race. and in 2018, it was believed to be the year of the woman. after making history in the midterm elections, 117 women won seats across the united states. record-breaking numbers. how do women in politics go from making history to failing to find support less than two years later? clearly not the lack of qualifications. hillary clinton's loss may have made democratic americans rethink whether breaking the glass ceiling was in fact worth the risk of another four years of trump. but the glass ceiling senator warren says will hopefully break sooner than later. >> one of the hardest parts about this, all those pinky promises, all those little girls, we're going to do this. it will just be a little longer before we're able to have a woman in the white house. and it doesn't mean that it won't happen. doesn't mean that it won't happen soon. but you get in the fight because

you just got to keep beating at it until you finally break the thing. we'll know that we can have a woman in the white house when we finally elect a woman for the white house. >> we can have a woman when we finally elect a woman to the white house. when will gender sfagaigender s presidential campaigns? christina, we should remember that hillary clinton got more votes than donald trump. so clearly there is some breakthrough. and if you know elizabeth warren, you know the story of her life is she does what she believes that she needs to do. ment end gothe end goal is not the answer. she ran and gave it her all and it doesn't work. but is there a problem or isn't there?

most western democracies have elected women leaders. >> yeah, we have mayor, all these folks. so in one sense there has been progress in that regard. but i think -- what is really interesting is that women -- so the democratic pool was deeply diverse. but the electorate was deeply diverse and they didn't go for a woman or person of color. >> a lot of places women didn't vote for her. >> so i think that this is a deeply traumatized electorate, the democratic eleelectorate. and not only by trump, but by their fellow citizens. a lot of people are looking at this electorate -- i've never felt so and i willian nature al. trump is like a toddler with a handgun. he is so toxic. and to see that and to see so many of our fellow americans say that is high guy. i think a lot of american voters are saying i want to be safe an.

i think a lot of american voters are saying i want to be safe and and i think the trauma said i don't know if i trust the american public to elect her. >> so i'll get behind her, but i don't know if even else will. >> it can rain and snow at the same time. which means i completely agree and it is -- elizabeth warren, i think there were issues about some of the steps she took. she took a lot of hits early because she was an early frontrunner which meant that she got a lot of scrutiny early and anytime a candidate gets a lot of scrutiny, it tends to impact them in the polls. medicare for all being a big example. but at the same time, you know, some of this discussion about her likability, there were some very sexist statements i think that were made around assessing her candidacy that are not

necessarily intended to be sexist. but that nonetheless are more about, you know, she's too edgy, you know. remember that town hall where she made the comment when she was asked the question, it was an equality town hall, about the gay marriage. and she made a very quippy edgy comment about probably a man and you can have one wife if you can find one. and those kind of edgy statements are some of the things that we hear make women not likeable. >> and yet bloomberg when he was surging for a minute was tulg actually showing that can he go at trump the way trump goes after everyone else. trump says stuff ten times that probably every hour. so is there a difference? what do smart qualified accomplished women have to do to deal with who they are in order to present something that we've used the words electability.

to your point, if you don't believe somebody is electable, you may like them, but you may not vote for them. >> i think that -- we always talk about this, that there is a different effective wrank thran women are allowed. the kind of blowback that you get. warren's ands it take out bloomberg, i just picture her drinking wine out of his skull. it was just an amazing thin. and i think that it was an important political moment. i also wonder though in terms of the gender politics, bloomberg was unmanned and his humiliation was also at the hands of a really smart woman. and you wonder how tdestructive for him. but of course i think that you have to have a different --

women have to always strategize. >> and it is so complicated. black women can't be angry, you have to be particular lly conscious about being angry. and one thing we saw in this campaign, a lot of smart people. a deep drench. and a lot of smart women. and elizabeth warren sort of stepped out early as the smartest. not making a judgment, but because she was actually remember getting kind of teased and criticized about having a plan for everything. and she was the person who put on the table before others comprehensive child care out of bat. a critically important issue for all americans. house, she was really the first and i would argue only candidate to have a comprehensive housing plan. somehow that also became a critique of her, a suggebtle

critique. so our problem with smart people we need to change. >> can a woman talk about fighting. >> thank you to both of you. i appreciate it. mya wiley and christina beltran. up next, wall street's roller coaster week. roller coaster week. hot! hot! no no no no no, there's no space there! maybe over here? oven mitts! oven mitts! everything's stuck in the drawers! i'm sorry! oh, jeez. hi. kelly clarkson. try wayfair! oh, ok. it's going to help you, with all of... this! yeah, here you go. thank you! oh, i like that one! [ laugh ] that's a lot of storage! perfect. you're welcome! i love it. how did you do all this? wayfair! speaking of dinner, what're we eating, guys? so chantix can help you quit slow turkey.

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since the market is turmoil began, the dow has fallen. and markets have largely ignored february's blowout employment report bracing for the weakness that lies ahead. continued concerns over the spread of the coronavirus whip sawed stocks all week and investors continue to worry

about the lack of an adequate policy response. in a recent op-ed, my next guest suggests how policymakers could help mitigate the potential economic impact wririghting an important lesson is not to waste the limited policy flexibility on actions that don't address the underlying drivers of economic dislocation and in-securities. instead, policy intervention should be focused on protecting the most vulnerable segments of the population and favoring those economic segments that are critical to the recovery. that is a lot in there and i want to unpack it, so i invited the writer on my show. hoe h mohamed el-erian is author of the only game in town and the chief economic adviser. by my measure one of the most important people -- voices in

the world when economic are markets. thank you so much for taking the time to giant us. give me a sense from your perspective. market for the week are probably flat. give me your eswralatiyeevaluat going on. >> what is going on is extremely unsettling for your viewers. massive volatility, roller coaster, no clarity as to where we're going. it is important to remember two things. it is happening for good reasons and it won't stop. >> let's talk about what the government -- you have in your article prescriptions for what governments should do. i assume to some degree we're talking about the u.s. xwoechlts. there are always things that they can do, fed cut rates,

there could be a stimulus, tax cuts, checks that go out to individual people, investment in particular industries. what do you recommend, what examples have you seen work that we should be trying here. >> so we have to understand that this is a very unusual shock to the economy. it destroys demand and supply. think about it, you are going on a holiday and suddenly you don't want to travel because you are afraid of getting sick. airline starts taking flights off the marketplace, they destroy supply which means other people who would have flown don't fly. so that process builds on itself. it is highly unusual. and the most important thing to understand is that traditional measures won't work. yes, you cut interest rates. but let me ask you a question, will you go on a cruise if your loan is cheap? no, you won't. so traditional policy measures become ineffective.

and so that is why you need to think differently. >> and i want to pull up a chart of the dow. what you see there is there are? dips, but over the tlong term, the market he goes up even after the big dip that you see there is the resettle in 2008/2009. over the long term markets do seem to overperform. you had advised people at the beginning of this thing that this time might be a little different maybe it is not the time to what they say buy the dips. larry kudlow from the white house did actually recommend the opposite, he said buy the dips. tell me what your thinking is for average investors who by the way don't tend to be traders, but they wonder about selling their stock. >> we've been conditioned the last few years to buy the dip because every shock that has occurred has proven to be transitory, meaning it is temporary, it is containable and quickly reversible.

so the right thing was simply to buy the dip and people did extremely well. this one is different. it is hard to contain the virus. and it is hard to reverse its economic effects quickly. and when the markets were at record high, i warn be careful. if it dips, don't rush in. so that is what i warn. now,off the long term, you will make money in market, but remember, there is a difference between destination and a journey. and as good as a destination is, you better be able to strap yourself for the journey and most people unfortunately tend to panic. >> are you worried about a recession? >> i am. i think by the way that we'll have a recession for sure in kuchbs like germany, italy, japan, singapore. i'm more worried about the recession in the u.s. today because unless we medically contain this virus and increase

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we're three days away from the michigan primary. and the elected delegates are the biggest pliz of t egest pri another crucial day for joe biden and bernie sanders. according to the nbc news decision desk, biden currently holds a slight lead of 68 pledged delegates over sanders. biden has 621 compared to sanders 553. still 198 delegates from super

tuesday. the latest polling of likely democratic voefrts shoters show ahead bay seven poi ahead by seven points. but now that elizabeth warren h dropped out, that piece could go either way. she narrowly won michigan against hillary clinton, but with the support of white working class noncollege educated voters. michigan along with other rust belt states swonk ung in favor donald trump in the election. and biden has gained the endorsement of several michigan lawmakers including the michigan governor. governor, good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> good morning. >> talk to me about this. the polling indicates that

elizabeth warren's support breaks a little more for bernie sanders than joe biden. bernie sanders pre-swrvailed la time in michigan. but when i'm watching tuesday, i'm watching because you are going to be probably the most watched state in the election in november, right? michigan is now the one -- one sort of three states in our mind as a thing that democrats should somewhere w have won that they didn't. >> that's right. all roads to the white house go through the state of michigan. and so this vote on tuesday a is really important. it sets up who will be confronting donald trump in the fall. and a lot is at stake. in 2016, we had a real low turnout. in 2018, i won by almost ten points in the state that had voted for trump before hand would i leby less than 1 #,000 votes. so i think the whole world will be watching and we're he focused.

i'm excited to cast my vote for joe biden. joe knows mitch. he was there to support the auto industry. he worked with president obama to exand access to health care and almost 7,000 people have health care now because of that work. and so i feel like this is the really time to weigh in and tell the people of my state i'm with joe because i believe joe is with michigan. >> let's talk about your state and what is unique about it. i'm from ontario, so we understand this, but trade is a massive issue. there is nobody in michigan who doesn't think about trade. you are a manufacturing at a time. nobody who doesn't think about manufacturing. also nobody who doesn't think about retraining. nobody who doesn't think about what you do to workers who are put out of place because of manufacturing jobs and of course you have a lot of unions in your state. when it comes to the election what does a democrat need to do and you are one of them, what does a democrat need to appeal

to fundamentally, what is the overarching concern of the people of michigan when looking for the next president of the united states. >> i think that it is the fundamentals. i woon won in 2018 with a blueprint about showing up. i got to all counties. it was staying focused, the dinner table issues. whether closing the skills gap or ensuring our kids where getting an education or cleaning up drink water or fixing up the damn roads. and i he showed a record of having gotten accomplished important things during my time as a legislator. and i think that is what joe is doing. and that is why i think the blueprint that he is using in 2020 is very similar to what i did in 2018. i know that he is committed to finding common ground and building coalitions. question ne we need leaders who stays tethered to the fundamentals. when i go to the grocery store,

people are not happening about what is happening in washington. they are trying to get by. >> and joe biden is highly associated with president truob and the deals to rescue the auto industry. joe biden has historically been pro free trade. bernie sanders says trade agreements shouldn't work. butmichigan, you know some trade agreements have been good for that state. >> here is what we know. we can compete with anyone on the planet as to long as there is a level playing field. and joe biden is about ensuring that this is a level playing field. the grittiest and you had in terms of getting work done. we work hard, we care about our families.

and that is why the fundamentals are so important. there will be back and forth when past records on trade. and that is legitimate. we should have that debate. but we can hold sanders' vote against t.a.r.p. funding against him. i say let's not go down that path. let's coalesce you were talking about elizabeth warren voters. during the beginning of this primary, there were so many people on that stage. each of whom brought something really important to the conversation. each of whom was inspirational, whether it was mayor pete or amy klobuchar, cory booker, kamala harris, elizabeth warren. bernie sanders. every one of them has. and the thing that sets the democrats apart from the republican, he have one of us wants to expand access to affordable quality health care. and donald trump and the republicans are trying to take it away.

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taliban a week ago, well, there already seem to be major problems. this past week the taliban carried out more than 70 attacks against afghan forces since the historic signing of that february 29th deal. you are looking at funeral services held earlier today in kabul where 32 people were killed in an attack yesterday. on wednesday, the u.s. military responded with its first air strikes against the taliban forces since the 11 day cease fire surrounding the piece initiative. according to intelligence sources in a new nbc news report, taliban representatives say the group views the peace process as a way of securing the equal of american occupiers after which it will attack the u.s. backed government in afghanistan. joining me now is democratic congressman tom malinowski of new jersey, former assistant secretary of state for democracy huge rights and labor in the obama administration. congressman, good to see you. i want to bring to our viewers' attention in a tweet you wrote, you say i read the secret

annexes to the taliban deal. bottom line, the administration is telling a terrorist group the conditions such as they are of our withdrawal from afghanistan but not telling the american people. this is wrong and it serves no national security purpose. to the extent that you can tell me without killing me what is it that the american people didn't know about this deal? >> well, the most important thing they need to know, you don't need to see any of the secret annexes. this is not a peace deal. this is a withdrawal deal. the only important terms of this deal are that the united states will withdraw its troops in 14 month and the taliban promises not to shoot at us as we leave. but there is nothing in the deal either in the public parts or the parts you can't see that tells the taliban that you have to stop fighting, you have to stop killing civilian, you have to son stoning women, you have to stop attacking the government of afghanistan.

they where allowed to do all of those things. so this is nothing to do with peace. it is just about donald trump being able to say i'm pulling out and i got some sort of deal around it. >> so let's talk about that, because there are a lot of americans who would agree with that sentiment, that we've been in this war for a long time, not sure why we got into it in the fergs pla first place. but the problem, wherever in the world there have been weak governments or government vacuums where the u.s. has pulled out, and i'm thinking about yemen, iraq, syria, somalia, libya, places like that, afghanistan, problems brew. so how do we bridge that divide? americans don't want to be in forever wars all over the world policing the world, but at the same time, we have power vacuums all over the world. what does right look like to you? >> i think the most important thing is to be honest. and i think there are two honest alternatives here. one would be to do the one thing

we've never tried in afghanistan and that is just to say you know what, we're willing to leave some troops. not a lot. they don't have to be there fhe combat, they can train the afghans so that the afghans can negotiate with thetal thanes from a position of greater strength so the taliban can't just wait us out so the country doesn't collapse in a way that we have to go back and fight an even more dangerous war. so that is one option. the second option is to say you know what, we don't need to stay, we have no interest in afghanistan, so let's just leave. but if we do that, then let's just leave, don't foist upon the afghan government an agreement that also forces them to give a lot of gifts to the taliban. to force them to release prisoners to the taliban. to lift sanctions against the taliban. to have phone calls and meetings with the taliban and the president of the united states to elevate them, to send them love poetry as ivanka trump did

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