welcome to "weekends with alex witt". the death toll from the coronavirus rising here in the u.s. the mixed messages the public is getting about how dire the situation is. >> anybody that needs a test gets a test. they're there. they have the tests. if there's somebody coming off a ship like the monster ship out there right now, they would like to have the people come off, i would rather have the people stay. i like this stuff, i get it. people are surprised i understand it. every one of these doctors said how do you know so much about this? maybe i have a natural ability. >> this hour answers to the most googled coronavirus questions. bernie sanders campaigning hard in a state he has three days to win from now. plus the obama factor, how much the former president can help joe biden. but this hour we begin with the coronavirus outbreak as officials confirm two people have died from coronavirus in florida. these are the first virus-related fatalities here on the east coast, bringing the

nationwide death toll now to 17. in italy, a u.s. naval sailor tested positive for the virus. marking the first case of a service member in europe. that sailor is being restricted to their residence. pope francis will deliver his sunday blessing from a live stream, this in an abundance of caution. off the coast of california, 19 crew members, two passengers on board the grand princess cruise ship have tested positive for the virus. vice president pence said all the passengers will be brought to port to be tested. >> those that need to be quarantined will be quarantined, those that require additional medical attention will receive it. >> in a couple hours, pence will meet with cruise line directors and port directors in florida.

for now, the total number of coronavirus in the united states stands at 327 in 21 states. joining me now is nbc's scott cohn, he's in san francisco for us. scott, welcome to you. we have 21 people in total on board that ship testing positive. do you know what is next for them? and what about everybody else on board? >> reporter: we don't know what's next for them, alex. and neither do they, apparently. there are 2400 passengers and 1100 crew on board the "grand princess" the passengers confined to their state rooms and they're basically having to learn about a lot of this by watching the news. in fact, that's how they found out about the 21 people testing positive yesterday. shortly after that, nbc's aaron mcloughlin was talking to one of the passengers when the captain came on the loud speaker. >> you may have heard, based on the news by the media already, and we apologize but we were not

given advance notice of this announcement by the u.s. federal government. it would have been our preference to be the first to make this news available to you. >> reporter: so the flow of information a little bit frustrati frustrating. we do not know what happens next other than the vice president has said that the ship would be brought in to a noncommercial port. we don't know what that is. it is clearly not the cruise ship terminal where i am here in san francisco and then becomes the question of what will happen to the 3,500 or so people aboard the ship. they will all be tested, we understand. and then some or all will be quarantined but it is a very rapidly moving situation. and as we've seen before, when this virus gets aboard the relatively close quarters of a ship, that creates a lot of issues. so for officials here, it's a bit of a race against time. >> a noncommercial port there. that's one big ship. not just any port can handle

that. i have to wonder if it's going to stay in the san francisco bay, perhaps go to the opposite side of the bay on the oakland side. we will see. let us know when you find out. >> will do. with me now, shannon petty. welcome to you, shannon. let's start here first with the president's response to the stranded cruise ship that i was just talking about with scott there. here's what he had to say. >> they would like the people to come off, i would rather have the people stay. but i'll go with them i would rather because i like the numbers being where they are. i don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship. that wasn't our fault. >> so shannon, who is advising the president on this? and how confident are health officials leaving it up to them to make the final call? >> reporter: well, you know, the president is his number one strategic adviser. of course he has the cdc, he has alex azar, the head of hhs and the vice president who are really marshalling this

response. but the president is clearly, we've seen a number of instances, going off his own interpretation of things. we saw him questioning the w.h.o.'s actual mortality figures say the 3.4% figure seems high. here again you have him saying if it was up to him he would not have the ship brought back because it would hurt the statistics. it would make the number of cases in the u.s. look like it would go up, so it optically would not look good. of course the president caveated that saying he's going to leave it to the health experts. but having him state his position about this sends a message to the health experts that if they decide to bring the people to the country and if that brought the number of cases up, that would not be looked good at by the president. so the president coming out and making his feelings look clear.

>> it seems it's not about national safety but how the numbers reflect on his administration. in the midst of one of the most daunting crises of his administration, last night he announced the staffing overhaul, naming mark meadows as his new chief of staff. do you know what's behind this? how much of the criticism of how he's handling the coronavirus has to do with it, or sit getting a like minded person in for the campaign battles ahead this year? >> reporter: our reports indicate this is something the president has been thinking about doing for weeks maybe months, it was a decision in the last 48 hours to replace mick mulvaney with mark meadows. and something mark meadows hinted to when he said he was stepping down from his congressional seat saying he looked forward to serving the president in the future. we don't have a strong indication this was related to the coronavirus and the administration's handling of it

in response. there is an indication it has to do with the campaign and having someone politically savvy in that position as we go into 2020, someone who understands political dynamics well, which is something that the president has complained about mulvaney in the past and someone that's a strong surrogate on television, which mark meadows having been in congress for so many years has a strong television presence and he's a familiar face to viewers. so i think that's more to do with it than the coronavirus. of course, changing your chief of staff in the middle of a national crisis it's never good for continuity in most instances. >> thank you for that. joining me right now ann remoin, health professor at ucla. let's get to it, lots of questions. when you see what's happening with coronavirus, give us your perspective. i can't remember this much alarm

with h1n1 or ebola. is there something different about this? >> the big issue, this is a disease we don't know enough about right now. when we deal with influenza, we have a general idea about mortality, complications and we have tools to fight it. right now we don't know how many cases there are because we don't have a test that's up and running and we don't understand how contagious it is and we don't understand how many people are currently infected in this country and that's a big problem. >> based on what you're saying it almost feels like everyone, wherever there has been a breakout, needs to be tested because you don't know who could be a carrier. so can it really be contained if there are so many asim mymptoma carriers. >> the question of asymptomatic infection is important because we don't know how many people may be infected, may be walking around without symptoms or mild

symptoms, thinking they have a regular cold, and spreading it to other people. we are fairly certain that this is the case, and in which case there may be spread many, many places that we're unaware of right now. >> we've heard the president and vice president contradicting one another on the issue of, for example, testing kits. how does this misinformation, any misinformation at all, hurt doctors' ability to treat patients? >> i think it -- the confusion that seems to be rampant right now makes everybody nervous. i think it's hard for messaging, for doctors and nurses and people in public health. i think it's difficult for people who are at great risk, like individuals that are in nursing facilities. i think that the current lack of information and difficulty in

cou coordinated messaging is creating a problem from everyone. >> we're getting a briefing from andrew cuomo with a briefing from albany, we're monitoring it in the control room. they said those people who are self-quarantining right 2340now still going outside. what problem does that present? >> it's a big problem. people don't understand what they're supposed to be doing when they're self-quarantining, meaning they have to stay at home, limit contact with anybody else. i think that the messaging to these people has been insufficient at this point. and i think that this is just true because everybody is overwhelmed and trying to manage the best that they can. >> so i just want to have you reiterate. if you're self-quarantining at home, do not go outside, do not gather with anybody else, period? >> corrected. when you were quarantining you are supposed to be avoiding

contact with people who have not been exposed. that's the purpose of quarantine. >> okay. what about how we will know if and when this peaks and when it's on the downward trend, is that going to be clear to health officials? >> we'll only know that i think when we have a test that's widespread and widely available. we'll only know it looking at the data, you know, after the fact. so it's going to be a lag between when we understand how many cases we have and that we actually see these numbers going down. and, you know, many of these diseases will fluctuate. we might have a spike in cases, it may go down for a short period of time and go back up. we'll only be able to look at the true epidemic curve at the end. >> which means -- well, i'm going to ask. do you have any idea how long this will last? is there any way to tell? >> there's absolutely no way to tell. right now we have no idea where

we stand in this epidemic. >> okay. i just want to let you know my executive producer told us new york state has a confirmed 76 cases now, that's up from about 30-ish if my memory serves me. ann we're going to have you back in a bit, go through the most googled questions. sit tight. how about this, they are the voters who may have failed bernie sanders on super tuesday so how can they rescue him next week? can they rescue him next week flash forward, then psoriatic arthritis started getting the better of me. and my doctor said my joint pain could mean permanent joint damage. and enbrel helps relieve joint pain, helps stop that joint damage, plus helps skin get clearer. ask about enbrel so you can get back to being your true self. enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious sometimes fatal events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers,

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as we mentioned before the break, we are monitoring governor andrew cuomo and his update on the situation of coronavirus in new york state. he's confirmed some numbers, statewide 76 confirmed cases of coronavirus and then in new york city there are 11. in west chester county by far the largest bulk of those inif

he can -- infected with coronavirus, now 57 confirmed there, and the remaining about 10 plus -- actually less than 10 is scattered throughout the a state of new york. we're keeping a close eye there in albany as the governor continues to take questions on this. let's go political as we're three days out from the next primaries. and this time there are fewer democratic candidates on the ballot, joe biden, bernie sanders and tulsi gabbard are still in. there will be caucuses and primaries in 11 states in the next four weeks and more than 1,000 delegates at stake. biden leads the count with 621. sanders could narrow the gab when the votes are finally counted in california.

g gabbard has just 2 delegates, which could keep her out of the next debate. the primaries on tuesday will offer up 325 delegates, but it is michigan the candidates are focussed on, the biggest prize with 125 delegates up for grabs. that's where bernie sanders is holding several events today. joe biden will be talking to voters in missouri and illinois. but biden's newest surrogate, senator amy klobuchar is in michigan today, speaking with voters in grand rapids. senator sanders is out today speaking at a rally in dearborn, the area with one of the highest muslim populations in the country. he's saying he's going to end the hate that president trump is encouraging. >> the president who is putting

islam-phobia, racism on this country, homophobia on this country, he thinks he's going to win re-election by dividing us up. we are going to beat him because we're bringing our people together. >> let's go to nbc news correspondent mike memoli in st. louis for us. you have biden's super tuesday surge, that has kept him ahead with the numbers at this point. but california's votes haven't all been counted there. that means the delegate allotment has not been fully decided and that could boost senator sanders, but what about joe biden focussing his energies before tuesday where today? >> reporter: well, alex, the first job for the biden campaign over the past few days has been to catch their breath. think about where we were a week ago today as vote es were going to the polls in south carolina. they were confident of a victory there but didn't know what the

margin would be, if it would send him to super tuesday with the momentum we saw on tuesday. ten victories on super tuesday states now he's the delegate leader. he's been off the campaign trail the last few days but back in ernest today starting in st. louis. then he's on to mississippi and michigan in the days ahead. while bernie sanders and his campaign has been ready to go on the attack on joe biden contrasting their records on issues like social security, the war in iraq and trade. the message from the biden campaign is all about unity. we're seeing it in a new ad the biden campaign just released today. let's listen to that. >> joe biden has always been a strong supporter of social security. biden will increase social security benefits and protect it for generations to come. negative ads only help donald trump. it's time we bring our party together. >> that's part of a $12 million

new ad buy from the biden campaign. that's another new reality from the campaign, they've been struggling to get on the airwaves from across the country but he raised $22 million since super tuesday. voters are ready to back this up, they're ready for unity. >> thanks for that, mike memoli. joining me now atima o'mara and rick tyler. rick to you first. how does the whittling of this field down to bernie sanders and joe biden -- yes, tulsi gabbard is still in it but how do those two change the game, what does it tell you about the voters? >> they have to win the central argument, what kind of party does the democratic party want to be? does it want to be a democratic socialist party that bernie sanders talks about or does it want to be a more moderate party

that joe biden talks about. and joe biden talks about keep moving the ball forward, keep making progress and bernie is talking about a revolution. that creates all kind of divides within the party and demographically within the electorate that's going to be voting this next coming new -- not quite super tuesday but close, march 10th. >> are you concerned that divide will not all come together at some point? >> yeah, i mean, look, this is in some ways a rematch or a replay of the 2016 campaign where hillary clinton beat bernie sanders, and it was contentious right up until the convention. and then bernie went about changing all the rules of the convention because he could and he was organized. and a lot of people didn't show up for senator -- for secretary clinton. and she didn't prevail. >> yeah. yeah.

so this last week elizabeth warren dropped out on thursday, tul tulsi gabbard is still in with two delegates. but this primary season started with the most diverse candidates ever, half a dozen women, a latino, black man, gay, asian, how did we get here? those candidates in total were a reflection of the democratic party as a whole, but now? >> it's very interesting. i think it's been a shock for a lot of individuals, certainly myself who was looking at okay potentially having nominated a woman and having nominated an african-american to be president from the party, one being successful in entering the white house are looking at a very different field. i don't think that was the expectation, but at -- when you look at it sort of at the end of the day, it makes a lot of sense. biden came in having been vice

president to obama, and having a structural advantage honestly of being a white male who has served in politics for a very long time. so did senator sanders, certainly having a coalition he's been able to continue to build and keep for the last four years. i think there's a lot of, you know, looking at donald trump and the type of campaign he was going to run against a woman or a person of color, i think there's a lot of voters that were worried really about the sexism, racism that could have come about and voted accordingly. that's i think why we're looking at the field we're looking at. so this coming tuesday for a sanders and biden it's going to be interesting in the breakdown, who can pull together the coalition to win. >> look, you just said that you were very surprised by all this, thinking what might have been, right? how much are you deflated by this? how much has the passion gone out of either you or people you talk to -- are there people that are concerned they're not going to get it back for either of

these candidates? >> listening, like you're looking at folks very invested in candidates. i didn't endorse, back anyone in the primary. my intention is to vote for whoever is the democratic nominee, be it sanders or biden. i think people have a right to be disappointed after their candidat candidates lose in the primary and take a second and regroup about who am i going to support, because there's a lot of states that still haven't voted yet so folks are like well, i have to see who i'm going to vote for now. after that, there isn't anyone i talked to who isn't i'm going to support the nominee this november. >> democratic turnout was high on super tuesday. in virginia, it was the fourth most delegate rich to hold a primary on tuesday, with 1.3 million voters casting a ballot, more than 2016, when

783,000 voted then. that was just under 2008. rick, you first, should president trump be concerned by those numbers? >> yeah, it says a lot of people really want to pick someone who's going to beat president trump. i think joe biden -- listen, i criticized biden before because you think he lost this argument, but i think he's regained the argument. and i want to defeat president trump, and i voted for biden in an open primary in virginia. and then talking to a lot of my friends who are republicans and conservative, did the same thing. and so -- >> voted or voted for biden? >> we voted for biden. we're biding our time. we may not agree with everything he says, but we think that this president is so destructive, not only to the country but also to the party, and the party and people who are conservative want to rebuild the conservative movement, that this party has to be rebuilt from the ground up if it's going to survive.

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we are back with the federal response to the coronavirus outbreak. vice president mike pence was tapped to lead that task force, appears to be adding to president trump's mixed messaging, especially on the availability of test kits. >> anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. they're there. they have the tests. >> with the announcement of these major commercial labs we trust in a matter of weeks the coronavirus test will be broadly available to the public and available to any american that is symptomatic and has a concern. >> with me now ann garen and victoria victoria defrancesco, welcome to

you both, ladies. ann do you know what's behind the discrepancy? >> mike pence had the unenviable task after tof following up aft president called the testing situation perfect and assuring americans, waiving off the medical p medical professionals around him, that any american would be able to get a test and the tests are functioning well. they're not. and what pence is doing there is not quite saying what the president said but not contradicting him either. he's saying something aspirational that there will be tests available. and he may be right, but it does not appear at this point that the medical labs are going to be able to scale up quite as quickly as the vice president suggests they will. >> he has learned how to handle any contradictions with this

president. i want to get to a headline from politico which reads how testing failures allowed coronavirus to sweep the u.s. the trump administration's decision to forego a world health organization test and create its own had fateful consequences experts say. is there a sense, at least in private, that the administration did not act quickly enough to contain the spread of the virus? >> absolutely. and the testing is one example of it. but certainly this administration is now scrambling to try to make up for a slow start to reckon with how fast this illness would spread. i mean, it really -- the illness has followed pretty classic, you know, models from the flu and many other kinds of illnesses that preceded it. there isn't -- really hasn't been anything out of the ordinary in the way that this illness has been transmitted.

it's -- you know, it would have been predictable in ways that the administration could have helped get ahead of it, stock piling tests, making very clear where patients should go if if they felt they were symptomatic, not to an emergency room, an urgent care clinic, call your doctor first get advice, all preparations that could have been made that the president and those around him chose not to do because they thought it sounded alarmist. >> victoria, we heard the president in comments earlier striking an optimistic tone giving himself and health officials high marks in this. but his focus in the remarks seems to be more on the numbers than the public safety aspect. is that how you hear it too? >> i do. in stepping back, alex and thinking about what is the role of the president, of the commander in chief? i think i see two main responsibilities, the first is a managerial role and the second

is this intangible comforter in chief and president trump does neither well. and his supporters would probably acknowledge that the comforter in chief is not who he is. he is car riz mat ik, boisterous, a tough guy. but in this moment when we need somebody to bring the nation together and figure out what's going on, this is problematic. we know that president trump, since coming into office, has actively attacked the bureaucra bureaucracy, has seen government as not being an aid but rather a hindran hindrance. this is a moment we need government, a large scale coordinated effort and we don't really have the capacity to do that. instead we see a president who has traditionally denigrated the role of medicine and science saying that's not necessarily true, let's listen to other folks, let's go with our guts. so you put all these factors

together and it's worrisome. i want to add to the early comments about the mixed messaging, that's another big issue. americans would rather know the plain truth, this is bad, this is how bad it's going to be. rather than a bunch of mixed messages within the administration. this is bad and i don't think it's going to be cleared up any time soon. >> to your point people want and need the truth and real answers in all this. this transcends politics. that's the last word on that. ladies, thank you so much. good to see you both. >> utah the latest state to confirm coronavirus cases now the total has risen to 337 cases across at least 28 states. a lot of unanswered questions around covid 19 but google is tracking the top questions americans have searched for in the past week, most of the questions have come from seattle

and the san francisco bay area, where we've seen the largest outbreak. but as the virus spreads globally there are lots of other questions. so ann is joining me again to help answer some of them. here we go. first one, what should i stock up on in case of an outbreak? >> well, i think that this is a good question. you should have anything that you would have in a normal situation where you're worrying about an emergency. here in los angeles we worry about earthquakes. it's a good idea if you're going to be quarantined or you need to stay home, you should have food and water, enough for maybe two weeks. i think that it's important for people just to have all of the normal necessities that they would have. another thing that's important is to get your prescriptions filled. i think that's a really good idea. anything that you need that you would want to have with you if you were going to be at home for two weeks, or thereabouts, is a good idea. >> even in an abundance of

caution, if you get a 30-day prescription see if you can call your doctor and get it up to 90 days. what about the flu vaccine, does that protect against the coronavirus? >> the flu vaccine does not protect against the coronavirus. these are two completely different viruses. different virus families. although they do act the same in terms of respiratory illness, they are very different. >> okay. can you get the coronavirus from food? >> this is another good question. now we do know that this virus jumped species from animals to humans at some point. there's no evidence that people are getting it from raw meat. that being said, food handlers who may have the virus may be able to -- would be able to transmit it with prepared food. so in that sense, it could be transmitted by food certainly. >> can you get the coronavirus,

recover from it, and get it again? >> that's the question. nobody has the answer. there's indications that perhaps people in china and i believe some questions in hong kong or singapore as well about this. but what -- it is very possible this is a matter of relapse. we know with the sars epidemic there were people who took steroids and then several weeks later relapsed. it very well may be this is relapse. but we don't know. there are certainly viruses where people are reinfected. but the likelihood is that this is a case of not clearing the virus completely and it comes back. >> got it. okay. given that this virus thrives in cold environments is it likely to fizzle out as warm weather approaches? >> there is no evidence that this virus will fizzle out when warm weather approaches. there are many situations where you see viruses, including coronavirus, circulating in warm

weather. so there's absolutely no indication that will happen. >> one more here, can you get coronavirus from pets? can you give it to pets? >> this is another good question. unfortunately we don't have good answers at this point. this stems from a dog that tested positive from swabs in hong kong. there is no evidence that dogs are part of a chain of transmission and whether or not they can pick it up and carry it is unknown. but if you have coronavirus, you sneeze on your dog, the dog could act as a vehicle of spread just because the dog may have virus particles on him or her. but that's not a dog transmitting it to a human. i want to make that very clear. >> ann, thank you so much for taking these questions, the google ones and my earlier ones. there's so much misinformation. i thank you for helping us out.

>> my pleasure. >> we're going to play a sound bite. this is from new york governor, andrew cuomo who was talking about the coronavirus, how it has affected new york state. most importantly we have a state of emergency here in new york and the governor is talking about people who are self-quarantining and some of the issues with that. it's about a minute long. let's listen to what he has to say. >> there's been some reports that people who are on voluntary quarantine are not following the voluntary quarantine. when we say you are on precautionary quarantine, that is a serious situation. we are assuming that you will act in good faith and that you will be following the rules of voluntary quarantine. people who are on voluntarily quarantine are issued specific rules. violating those rules is first i think disrespectful to members of the community. it doesn't honor your

responsibility as a citizen. and you can be putting people in danger. so even though it's called precautionary quarantine, that is a serious situation. we expect you to comply with it. if you do not comply with it, and we know that people are not complying with voluntary quarantine, there are other measures that we could take. >> just to reiterate what was told to me earlier in the hour, if you are self-quarantining what that means you do not interact with anybody at all, period, exclamation point. we invite you to watch "on assignment outbreak" with richard engel tomorrow night at 10:00 eastern here on msnbc. up next, joe biden carrying the momentum through his next group of states where he's focussing his energy today. he's focussing his energy today conce.

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for 2020, joe biden right now as 621 delegates, bernie sanders has 553 as both look to add more to their count next week. we should point out we're waiting for about a third of california's allotment to be finished. more than 350 delegates will be up for grabs in six states this tuesday. one factor we're watching is the african-american vote, nbc news exit polls found biden was 62% of black voiters in the south and 33% of black voters in other states on super tuesday. joining me now is eric cleaver. good to see you, sir. what do you think is it that is key to joe biden's support across the african-american community? what do you think motivates it? >> i think joe biden is a known quantity for years and years and years. he's been in the senate since he was 28 years old. there's been a lot of bills, civil rights legislation, that

joe biden has supported. there have been a number of -- pieces of very controversial legislation that would be impactful in the african-american community that he supported. and then, of course, when president barack obama hand picked him to be his second, the vice preside vice presidency, that just did it. here's a guy who's going to stand behind barack obama, the nation's first african-american president. and barack obama is still very much beloved in the african-american community around this country. >> so what is it that is not playing as well for bernie sanders with the black voters? because to your first point, he's been in washington for the better part of three decades. >> you know, here's -- i'm glad you asked me that question, alex. there's a misconception. african-american are essentially very conservative people. they're not conservative when it comes to civil rights and voting rights and things of that nature. but that are conservative.

i think many african-americans are simply wanting donald trump out of the white house. and so, when you come in with i'm going to change the world and change this and change that, you know, many african-americans are not sure that's going to be for the better. and how we might get left behind with all of these changes. and so, i think, you know, there's -- the mistaken assumption that african-americans are extremely liberal and tolerant for almost anything is really not even almost true. and bernie sanders has made a mistake in that category. >> joe biden has said on the campaign trail, we're not looking for a revolution. we're looking for results. are the two not compatible in your mind? >> well, look, let me say, i want a revolution. and i -- but i would rather do some revolutionary things.

the weird thing is that all of a sudden somebody called me a moderate. you know, all my life i've been considered a liberal, now i'm a moderate. so i think that people mistakenly believe that something revolutionary is way out. it was revolutionary for us to pass the affordable care act. presidents had tried to do that since truman. i'm sorry since eisenhower. and when it -- it was revolutionary. trying to move the minimum wage up to $15 an hour is revolutionary. i think using a term may be toxic. and so, i think the senator may be believing that it sends out good vibes, i don't think it does. >> i know later today you're going to be out campaigning with joe biden in your state of missouri. let's look at 2016 when donald trump won that state by double digits.

do you think joe biden is the democrat's best chance to beat trump this year? i mean, or do you think it's still going to come down to the wire in missouri this year in november? >> well, president obama and joe biden almost won missouri in their first election. and i think this is a wonderful state. joe biden is going to win the primary here. i also think that one of the things -- you know, the big mo is at play now. momentum. while momentum is not permanent, it certainly can inspire more momentum, greater momentum. and i think with the help of mr. bloomberg, i think states like missouri are at play. and even maybe kansas. just think about this. we have a democratic governor in kansas. and we haven't had a democratic senator since 1932. but i think if it's the right kind of person, i think

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president to have a chief of staff that will get him through the election. it's also likely that he was doing this now because the next opportunity for mick mulvaney after leaving chief of staff is to deal with ireland and northern ireland and we're getting up to st. patrick's day. i am not shocked by this change. i was a little bit surprised how it was done. but it's important for the president to have a chief of staff that he's comfortable with as he moves into a purely political season, and we're in that season now. >> so you think he has -- >> it's a big job. >> i know it is. one you held with great dignity. but with regard to mark meadows, you think he has the job right now, andy, because this is all now going forward about the election that he, the president has somebody who is very like minded? >> well, i do believe the president should have somebody he's comfortable with as chief of staff. although the president should also be comfortable when the chief of staff challenges the president. and i hope that will happen. i hope that mark meadows has the courage to speak truth to power.

he has that reputation. and president trump needs people around him that will need the courage to speak the truth to him and guide him. so he hasn't just be a yes man and a puppet. it's important for there to be a white house chief of staff because the staff looks to that person to provide direction, motivation and stay on task. so discipline is important. one thing mark meadows has to recognize is he will go from being a member of congress, to being a staffer at the white house. yes, the word chief will be in front of staff. he's in charge of the staff. but he's still a staffer to the president, not the principal. >> interesting. good point there. is it inexplicable to you andy that this president turns every opportunity to speak publicly into a moment to talk about himself? you saw at the cdc, during the coronavirus crisis, the president did so again, even

alluding to that perfect phone call he said he made that started the trouble down with impeachment? should we be surprised by this? >> i wish i could say we should be surprised. but we shouldn't be surprised because president trump has been doing that ever since he took office. he comes at it differently than the people i served, president ronald reagan, george hw bush and president george w bush. this administration seems to be all about the president and what he's doing. that's why a chief of staff is important because the government has to function even when you have an impulsive president. >> how would you handle this situation were you to be advising this particular president? >> i would speak candidly to him and accept the reality that when you're chief of staff you serve at the pleasure of the president but your job should not be to please the president. you serve at his plea sure but don't try to always please him.

make sure he knows when things aren't going well or happening the way they should and try to help correct them. first of all, i wouldn't be invited to be the chief of staff to this president, i know that, accept that, respect that, i respect the president and i respect the role of the chief of staff. i think mick mulvaney did a really remarkable job under terribly difficult circumstances and mark meadows is poised to do a job that's important and hopefully he'll do it well and get the president through the election cycle. but there's so much going on, you have obviously the coronavirus, the challenges in afghanistan with the supposed peace deal that may not bring peace, you have challenges with the allies, the economy is more fragile today than it was two months ago. there's a lot of decisions that have to be made never mind congress continues to be dysfunctional. so mark meadows enters with tremendous obligations in addition to recognizing there is

a campaign and the campaign cannot be conducted inconsistent to what's happening at the white house so he has to work closely with those running the campaign. i did serve as a chief of staff during an election cycle and it is challenging. >> i can imagine. andy card, thank you for sharing your expertise on this. >> thank you for having me on. breaking news, new cases of coronavirus here in this country and new questions about how the trump administration is handling that crisis. trump administration is handling that crisis. [♪] looking to repair dry, damaged hair

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a very good day to all of you from right here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to "weekends with alex witt". conflicting coronavirus updates coming from the two highest offices in the country. let's take a listen. >> anybody right now, and yesterday -- anybody that needs a test gets a test. they're there. they have the tests. >> we don't have enough tests today to meet what we anticipate will be the demand going forward. >> somebody coming off a ship like the monster ship out there right now, they would like to have the people come off, i'd rather have the people stay. >> those that need to be quarantined will be quarantined, those that require additional medical attention will receive it. >> i told mike not to be complimentary to the governor because the governor is a snake.

>> thank you governor insley . you should be proud of your health care leadership, the first care leadership and first responders. >> we begin with breaking news on the coronavirus outbreak. in the last hour new york governor andrew cuomo declaring a state of emergency and announcing new cases of coronavirus here in new york. >> we have 21 new cases that we found. so we're at a total of 76 in the state of new york right now. we have 11 in new york city, 57 in west chester county, two in rockland county, four in nassau county and two in saratoga county. the two in saratoga county are new. the new numbers are 7 in new york city from yesterday and 23 additional in west chester. >> we're going to sort through the latest developments from every angle with our team of

reporters and analysts as we look at the vice president arriving a short time ago in west palm beach, meeting with cruise line directors and the like to discuss things. let's start with dr. john torres, who's in studio with me. where do we stand in the fight against coronavirus? is there any end in sight? >> i think there's going to be an end in sight eventually. but right now the name of the game is containment. trying to keep it as contained as possible. you can see the numbers increasing across the country. i've been talking the last few days you're going to see an increase in numbers that's because of the tests coming out. but we're also seeing a spread in it and a spread around the country. that's where the concern is coming in and you're hearing the governors saying i'm going to declare a state of emergency to keep it as contained as possible. >> i'm curious about a vaccination, where do we stand on that? >> the vaccination is in process. if you think about the normal

vaccinations, takes 5 to 20 years to develop. rapidly here they're going to get it, start testing it in people, they think in two or three months they'll have that, then they'll look at it harder. the nih is saying 12 months to 18 months. that's a fast time for a vaccine but not fast enough for a lot of people because of the concern of coronavirus. >> andrew cuomo updating the numbers and declaring a state of emergency. as i was coming into the broadcast there were 45 cases now there's 76. how concerning is that? >> he said 11 in new york city. that's probably the more concerning thing because it's such a populated area people are passing each other. we had the one gentlemen who went to work and passed it to people. those super spreaders could be giving it to a lot of people because they're in close proximity. the hard part is keeping them in quarantine and stopping the

spread of it or reducing it as much as we can. >> stay where you are. other questions we'll get to from our other correspondents. the grand princess was told to stay off the coast this after 19 crew members and 2 passengers were confirmed with the coronavirus. scott, what is the latest with the ship? with the passengers and the crew members? zb >> reporter: you're right, alex, a total of about 3,500 people on board. 2,500 are passengers, 1,100 or so crew members. passengers have been confined to their state rooms and they're not being told a lot. they only learned that 21 on board tested positive by watching the news. the cape ttain came on and

apologized, but they haven't gotten much more information. they were told last night the ship is moving 20 miles offshore to bring in supplies. the plan, according to the vice president, is to move the ship to what he calls a noncommercial port. we do not know what that is or where it is, and what will happen after that. the plan is to test all 3,500 or so people. that brings the whole testing situation into focus. and then, we don't know what will happen to them, whether they will be taken off of the ship and quarantined elsewhere or aboard the ship. we heard the president say he would prefer to leave the people on the ship because of the numbers. we don't know if that's going to factor into the decision making either. right now the ship is in limbo, the passengers and crew is in limbo as they wait to see what happens. it's a difficult situation and they're waiting it out. >> scott cohn, thank you for that. i'm going to speak with someone right now waiting it out.

joining me from the grand princess is debbie loftus. i know you were listening to scott's report there. have you been told anything about testing? do you know if you're going to be taken off the ship any time soon and be tested for coronavirus? >> they did say that every passenger would be tested but we don't know when we'll be tested. and the captain doesn't even know if we're going to leave the ship or where we're going to be. he doesn't have any more information than we do. >> how about the conditions, what are things like there? and are you, because of this quarantine, are you stuck inside your cabin? >> every passenger is stuck inside our cabins, they're delivering our food to us. knocking on the door and leaving it for us. if you want clean linens, they'll pass them through the door. so we're stuck in our rooms. but the conditions are quite nice, i must say. the rooms are very comfortable. i wouldn't mind staying here. >> well, that's good. i'm glad, under the

circumstances. but are you frightened at all, debbie? are you able to communicate with any other passengers? do you have a sense of how people feel about being quarantined on that ship? >> yes. my parents are next door, so we've been in constant contact. this morning there was a coast guard cutter off the starboard side and a lot of passengers were outside watching that. so we were all waving to each other and talking. the mood was quite good. nobody seems upset or anxious. we just would like some answers. but they're taking good care of us right now. so we're okay for right now. >> well, the fact that you say things are comfortable and you wouldn't mind staying there longer, how did you feel about the president saying that he wants you to stay right where you are and not get off that ship at this point? >> well, i'm on the monster ship. and he's welcome to come and

join us and breathe the same air as we are. i don't know. you know, i'm hoping that they changed their procedures from the "diamond princess" and learned from their mistakes so if we had to stay on the boat we wouldn't be compromised. we'll just do what we have to do. >> you have a very positive attitude and i want to tell you you brought a chuckle to dr. john torres on the set with me about saying the president is welcome to come join you. you may want to stick around and listen to what john has to say to me in a moment but thank you for your time debbie loftus, i hope everything works out for you and your parents on board the ship. >> thank you. dr. john do you think officials are mishandling this coronavirus outbreak with regard to the "grand princess," do you think it's a good idea to keep 3,500 people in total with crew and passengers, on board this ship?

>> the big thing is the social isolation, that's usually six feet. it's hard to do that on a cruise ship. what we learned from the diamond princess, failed experiment. it's a floating laboratory. when they're in close proximity, people are leaving things at the door, they're getting close at that point. you can imagine 10, 12, 14 days in that room it's going to get more cumbersome, tougher to do. so getting them off the boat, putting them in isolation, quarantine here on land where they have room to spread around, ability to do things is something that's going to help them along the way. we talk about the testing. they're going to test them now but you need to do multiple tests over multiple days. it's not a one and done thing. they test now, three days from now, five days from now. that means medical personnel have to get close to them as well. making sure they have the medical equipment and what they need to ride out 14 days is important.

us sitting here we haven't walked a mile in her shoes yet so we have a different perspective. >> multiple ships have been quarantined. i know that vice president mike pence is in florida because he's going to speak with directors of cruise lines and so forth to figure out how to go forward. i don't want to dam the cruise lines but it can be an incubation area, we have seen that. do you think people should rethink their plans if they are going on a cruise ship right now? >> this is a question i get asked a lot. if you're otherwise healthy and a cruise ship going to an area where there's no warnings about the area and they're testing people before they get on board, and they have plans in place saying if you get sick, isolate you, quarantine you until you get under control, then it's okay. but if you have underlying health problems, if you're elderly, going to an area with concern, i would think twice about it. >> does that apply to folks planning spring break trips?

same common sense approach? >> exactly. what i said on the "today" show this morning, don't cancel your spring break trip or plans because it's important for people to do, a lot of fun, but at the same time use an understanding of what's going on, where you're going, and the risk factors where you're going to be. >> a lot of airlines understanding what's going on and they're voiding all of those cancellation fees and that sort of thing. if you were going to be traveling, is there an area you say not going to go there? >> i would go to the cdc or the state department. the cdc has threat assess mmentes for different countries so you can look and say i would not go there because the cdc and state department is telling many not to. i just came back from spain a few days ago, had a wonderful time, no concerns there. but going to areas without a lot of issues, i wouldn't have any issues. >> we're going to go to white house correspondent shannon

pettypiece, she's in south florida for us because vice president mike pence has landed there. he's squcheduled to meet with cruise line executives today. shannon, what do you know about the meeting and the significance behind it? >> reporter: we can assume the topic of what to do with the passengers on the cruise ship is going to be a topic discussed. and as you were just discussing with the doctor, what should passengers do going forward on cruises? the vice president was asked about that this week and told people to use their common sense but acknowledged that presents a challenge to health officials trying to contain this. so there needs to be a question whether the u.s. is going to give recommendations about cruise passengers and the other question is what to do with the cruise line industry if they suffer financial losses here. their stocks are down about 50% since january. so maybe a potential for some

sort of financial bailout or loans or stimulus that could be given to that industry. meanwhile you have the vice president having these meetings. the president a few miles away from the vice president when he's having the meetings, is still trying to paint a rosie picture. here's what he said yesterday to reporters at the cdc. >> we're in good shape. the people are doing a good job. instead of being negative, you should be positive. these scientists are doing a phenomenal job. the tests are all perfect. like the letter was perfect. all i say is be calm, we have the greatest people in the world. everyone is relying on us. anybody that needs a test can have a test. they're all set, they're out there. in addition to that, they're making millions more as we speak. >> reporter: and on that point of the testing, that was an area where we saw some conflict between the vice president and the president, because the day before the president made these comments saying anyone who wants a test can get them, the vice

president was out less than 24 hours before then, saying there was a shortage of the tests and they were not up to capacity. the vice president said we should be up to capacity soon to meet the demand for testing but we weren't there right yet. so a direct confident with the message the president is sending. >> perfect set up, to you doctor we played that at the top what shannon was referencing on the mixed messages between the number one and number two, if you will. how does that impede health workers' ability to do their job effectively? >> right now there's a lot of anxiety and fear about coronavirus across the country. so they're coming to health care, to doctors to see us, i've heard from my come patriots they're getting questions about it and they get the mixed message so they don't know what to do. the other thing is when you look at the people, i think this mire coronavirus i want to test.

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we are counting down until the next big primary day for the three democratic candidates left for the race to the white house. voters in six states head to the polls tuesday, followed by five more states. and it'll be a fight for more

than 1 hour,000 delegates acros state. joe biden is leading. today bernie sanders is in michigan, and biden is holding events in missouri. amy klobuchar is backing the former vice president and stumping for him in michigan today. during a speech she seemed to stumble over her words giving supporters the idea he may be more than just a biden surrogate. >> i could not think of a better way to end my candidacy, as hard as that was to do with our beloved staff and everyone else, than to join the tick -- join the joe biden -- i was going to say -- you guys, i was -- i was going to say than to join the terrific, the terrific, terrific campaign of joe biden. >> it's all good.

anyway, ahead of this busy week there's one thing both democrats are vying for, that is the obama factor. with both campaigns releasing ads embracing the former president but is it enough. joining me now jesse moore. welcome. let's get to the nbc news report this week suggesting that president obama may be playing a quiet hand in 2020 saying, quote, obama spoke with his former vice president after he won the south carolina primary and with pete buttigieg when he dropped out. khalila your thoughts on this, is the former president working behind the scenes to secure a biden nomination? >> honestly, alex -- thanks for having me, again, jesse, how are you? i think the question of whether or not obama is working behind the scenes is a little bit of a

distraction. this was his vice president. he has every right, as an american citizen, to campaign for whomever he'd like. it's quite possible but in all honesty, i don't think the american public, in your average city or rural america, in the suburbs have felt a presence of barack obama. so if he is campaigning, that's happening with perhaps major donors or other folk who might readily see his influence behind the scenes. but the average person isn't bumping into barack obama on the streets of chicago or washington d.c. >> 100%. they may all change after milwaukee in july, certainly. but jesse, joe biden trying to tap into the obama coalition. do you think he's earned that support? >> he's definitely earned the right to be talked about in the same breath as barack obama. that's his vice president, that's his guy. i think what we're watching right now is democrats coming home. i know that's a really tough

thing to say, and i've got a lot of folks -- i'm a bernie fan. i got a lot of folks who are bernie supporters who feel like this thing is being taken away. but i think in reality most folks were wandering around candidate to candidate. and were looking for any excuse to come around, a lot of folks took the south carolina show me this love is real moment. that happened and south carolina confirmed it. the trick is, it doesn't feel like love yet from most democrats. it feels like dating out of necessity, for security. with his vp choice i think he has to address that feeling of love that he needs to get to win. >> what do you think of what jesse said? that a lot of democrats have been trying to figure out where they want to place their support and now they're coming home? >> i absolutely agree with jesse. the fact is we have two

dichotomies here. we have democrats who would like to see more progress, right. they don't want to see the incrementalism that frankly, the democratic establishment has been operating under for very long. so vice president biden is going to have to think about that when he's selecting a vp running mate. and bernie sanders is going to have to show how he is able to bring people together. those people who were wandering, frankly, i believe, again want that progress but also understand the pragmatism of getting the current occupant of the white house out of there. and no one was so compelling as to show a path forward. we did have some candidates who had a path forward with policy. but at present talking about bernie sanders and vice president biden they both need to make sure they are reaching across and addressing the entire democratic base which is no longer a monolith. it's going to be important to

see strategy on both sides to come together and move forward. >> jesse, you were a former speech writer for president obama, though you said you are a real big bernie sanders fan. where has bernie sanders garnered his support? what facet, what element of the democratic party does he have a lock on? >> i was a speech writer for his white house, that does make a difference. i want to say that. so bernie sanders, bernie sanders to just beat the mess out of my analogy before. the love is real with his supporters. they really feel it. that is the most passionate part of our party. it is absolutely critical part of our party. i think two cycles in a row it felt like it was being taken away from them, when, in fact, i think it's just being revealed that that portion of the party doesn't have the numbers yet. i think we have a chance to move in that direction over time. but feeling like, you know, that that's the base of the party, that's the biggest part of the

party, it just isn't correct yet. and i think it's going to be a real challenge for joe biden, if he does win the nomination, to really court those folks and bring them into the discussion and give them a big voice. >> how big of a challenge is that going to be? are you worried that those passionate about bernie sanders if joe biden ends up being the nominee that they just, you know, won't put their vote in biden's camp, jesse. or worse, is there anything you think would flip and go to donald trump? >> now you're trying to ruin my weekend. but what i would honestly say is that is up to vice president biden and his team. the way they approach this, the tone they take. right now obviously they're in a tough fight. so it's really combative between the two but their ability to find the words, language and policy prescriptions they agree on to put front and center is huge. and then we'll get to see if

senator sanders has the will and strength to bring his folks along, too. that's assuming joe biden wins, that's not garn teened it's just looking likely. >> we're in the middle of a horse race for sure. glad to see both of you again. you can watch how the vote unfolds on tuesday, with brian williams, rachel maddow, nicole wallace and steve kornacki at the big board tuesday night at 6:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. the $8 billion to battle coronavirus, should any of that money go to patients unable to work? ts unable to work (burke) at farmers insurance, we've seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. even a "gold medal grizzly." (sports announcer) what an unlikely field in this final heat. (burke) not exactly a skinny dipper, but we covered it. at farmers, we know a thing or two

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we are back with the race for 2020. and as the presidential race tightens between joe biden and bernie sanders, over 350 delegates will be up for grabs in three days. it's michigan with the biggest prize offering up 125 delegates. according to the latest poll,

joe biden has the edge with 29% support but bernie sanders close behind with 23%. and joining me now is michigan representative dan kilde. let's get right into this, what are you hearing from your consisten constituents in this race? how do you think it's shaping up? >> this is going to be a close race. the moment we've been waiting for where michigan gets to have a moment where we have an outcome on this election. i have not endorsed, i don't plan to endorse. although i obviously have preferences, i think it's important that some of us are in position to bring this party together and i volunteer to be one of those people. it's good that the issues important to michigan are front of mind to these candidates because when the states that matter in the general election are part of the primary process we are going to produce a better nominee no matter who it is.

>> interesting the fact you won't endorse because you want to unify the party and not further divide it. >> we have to. >> good point. 2016, bernie sanders did win the michigan democratic primary with nearly 50% of the vote. if we look at the latest poll for this year's election as i mentioned sanders showing 23% of the support. what has changed? is it different candidates? about who people think can beat trump? what's the variable? >> i think the single greatest factor affecting the electorate right now is which democrat has the best chance of defeating donald trump and returning us to the rule of law. to the respect for the constitution. for a tone in our politics that allows us to actually work together, rather than ridicule one another the way this president seems to do all the time. that's the overarching determinant, even for people who have really strong ideological views. i hear from people across the spectrum, they're looking for

the best candidate to take on and defeat donald trump and get our country back on the right track. >> if we look at november 2016, michigan narrowly went to donald trump. could that happen again this year, or do you think a democrat really has a shot at winning your state? what do democrats need to do or the nominee to make that happen? >> well, i think whoever the nominee is needs to be speaking about the economic issues that every american worries about, retirement security, the cost of prescription drugs, et cetera. we lost michigan in 2016 by 10,704 votes -- >> so close. >> almost 90,000 people voted in that election and left their presidential ballot blank. jill stein got 50,000 votes. i don't think any of that is going to happen this time around. i think people know what the stakes are and they're not going to leave the presidential ballot blank no matter which of these two strong and well qualified

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know, so noble she stayed in the marriage to, oh, it's so incomprehensible that she stayed in the marriage. you know that there is forces at work in the society that people are working through themselves. >> hillary clinton there getting very personal in a new four part docuseries, hillary. it looks into the life of our former first lady with unprecedented access into her lock as a law school student, time as first lady, senator and two attempts at becoming commander in chief. joining me now is the director. so glad to talk to you, this thing is fantastic. job well done. what was it like to sit with hillary clinton for some 35-hours i'm curious if anything was off the table with her or could you go where you wanted? >> nothing was off the table in the interviews, which is remarkable. you hear how much the clintons have a level of control and i did not have that experience at

all. >> we should tell viewers the series airs in four parts and begins with the transformation of this young suburbanite republican. i want to focus on part 4, the name of the segment, be our champion, go away. 20 minutes into the segment i was stunned to see the level of bipartisansh bipartisanship, those people, big-time republicans who worked effectively with hillary clinton in her senate years, george w. bush, john mccain, lindsey graham, newt grin grich. lindsey graham in particular wrote that glowing time magazine tribute about her. >> yes. >> now here we are today. it's stunning, yeah? >> i think what the documentary is effective at doing is showing how divided we are as a country. when you look at the arc of our political history you see partisan politics becoming quiet

entrenched in the '90s during the clinton administration from the republican side upset there's a democrat in the white house after 12 years of republicans. but it grows now. there was a period of time where she could work across the aisle with people that now won't even discuss her. i had so many problems trying to get anyone from the other side of the aisle to sit down and do an interview with me. even though i said, she has no final edit control whatsoever, this is meant to be an impartial documentary. and they didn't care. they just wouldn't even sit down. >> the question was posed in the film, though, did hillary over worry in her runs for the presidency, over worry about being a woman? what's the answer to that? >> not at all. i put that in not because i agree with the opinion, but then

i follow-up it with the level of sexism she encountered in 2008. people would show up at her rallies with posters screaming iron my shirt. >> that was stunning. >> or they had hillary the nutcracker doll. it wasn't an unconscious gender bias. it was on the table. the problem is, i thought it was so interesting because elizabeth warren talked about this the other day. and she was asked how much do you think gender had an effect? and she said, look, there's no way i can answer this question. because if i say it did, i'm a whiner, if i say that it didn't, then i'm a liar. so this is what female candidates are up against. it exists and yet, if they talk about it, people think, you're just blaming it on your gender. >> yeah. watching the agony of election night and delivering that speech the next morning, which was so

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you know, change has to come. >> is there something that either changed your opinion about her or you walked away surprised from having done this documentary? something you learned about her? >> there were a lot of things i learned. what surprised me is how candid she is and how just down to earth she is. so often she would at least have the appearance of being guarded on the campaign trail or have the reputation of being such. and she was anything but that when we sat down to do interviews. >> what was the best part about making this film for you? >> well, you know, i'm a political junkie. >> you must be to make this, 35 hours of hillary clinton. >> and you know, i'm a feminist. so to be able to combine two of these important themes and issues, and put it together in an impactful story with one of the most important historical figures in the last century was an honor and a wonderful

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in alabama today, politicians from around this country are gathering to commemorate the anniversary of bloody sunday. today is the actual anniversary when in 1965 hundreds of people peacefully protesting for voting rights were beaten and arrested by state troopers in selma. it has become an almost yearly tradition for congressman john lewis to lead a pilgrimage through that city all in an effort to bring attention to the fight for voting rights. participating today is alabama congresswoman terri sewell,

she's joining me from that state's capitol. thank you so much for being here. i'm going to guess that part of -- >> thank you. >> -- what's so important about selma to you is that you were born in selma. you grew up in selma. talk about the pilgrimage today and what it means to you. >> well, first of all, i'm just so happy that time and time again faith and politics led by john lewis brings together a bipartisan group of members of the house of representatives and senators and they go through my district, alabama 7th congressional district. today we're in montgomery. we're enjoying an amazing lunch by first baptist church, which was ralph abernathy's old church. we're headed to birmingham a little later on. for me as a daughter of selma and as a lifelong parishioner at brown chapel ame church for representing my home district and we have work to do when it comes to voting rights, it's a great opportunity as a bipartisan delegation.

we have 45 members including four senators with us on this delegation, and i'm just so excited to be co-hosting this with my republican colleague martha roby as well as congressman john lewis. it's an opportunity for us to show civility and to unite around honoring and remembering what happened on bloody sunday as well as what happened, the events that happened in montgomery and birmingham that really helped to make this country a more perfect union by ordinary americans grieving this nation and making sure that justice and equality in voting rights and in civil rights for all americans is a priority. >> absolutely, and you mentioned those four senators. i want to add it's my understanding of 22 of your house colleagues as well there being represented, and of course it's a march you mentioned congressman john lewis. he actually in selma on bloody sunday now participating in this voting rights effort here. he was among those assaulted. he has recently announced that

he has pancreatic cancer. do you know if he will be there today physically present? >> he was actually with us just earlier this morning. we had a special presentation at the frank johnson courthouse in montgomery, alabama, to honor an alabama jurist, judge johnson who really showed such courage back in the '60s. he was the one who freed rosa parks. he was the one who gave the injunction to allow the marchers to march from selma to montgomery. john was with us to give his remarks there. he's here with us and other members of congress as we really do have an opportunity to show remembrance of the courage that took place in selma, montgomery, and birmingham and those events but also to provide us with the inpra inspiration and renewal we all need to rededicate ourselves to the causes for which those foot soldiers like john lewis fought for, which is equality and justice for all.

it's important to see a bipartisan delegation come through alabama to have the opportunity to walk in the foot steps of john lewis with john lewis is such an honor. he'll be with us again tomorrow in selma, and so we're just so honored that john shows us each and every day the triumph of human courage and human sacrifice. he's just one of these men of humility and who really does tell us and remind us that it's still an opportunity for us to get into some good trouble, bipartisan good trouble on behalf of this great country, and i'm just honored every day to have the opportunity as alabama's first black congresswoman from selma to have an opportunity to show my delegation this wonderful bipartisan delegation including the speaker of the house. she's here with us, nancy pelosi as well as the majority leader steny hoyer who comes every year with john. it's really an important effort on his part given his illness. but you know, we shouldn't be surprised. john shows us time and time again courage of his convictions, and as i reminded

him, there's many more bridges for us to cross. we need to make sure he preserves his strength. he looks great. he's just an example of the triumph of human courage. >> i can say anecdotally from a personal note, when he has been here in this studio and done an interview with me, there is also almost this reverential air about him. i'm sure he's extremely proud to have you on the john lewis team and continuing to carry the u torch for him. i want to thank you so much for your time. >> it's an honor. >> congresswoman terri sewell, come see me again. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. coming up, david gura talks to governor andrew cuomo about the state of emergency regarding the coronavirus right here in this state. e coronavirus right this state taking a shortcut. woooo! taking a breather. rewarded! learn more at the explorer card dot com. looking to repair dry, damaged hair without weighing it down? try pantene daily moisture renewal conditioner.

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