hello, everyone. i'm alicia menendez. the 2020 presidential race gave us the most diverse field including a record number of women in the race. six. but just this week the field narrowed. senator elizabeth warren, the last viable woman in the race, dropped out. her exit was followed by visceral emotion and reaction and many wrestling with the idea what it takes for a woman to make it to the white house. we have got a great group with us. zurlina maxwell from sirius xm,

gabe benedito, dareian warren. thank you all for being with me on a saturday night. i felt like we had to talk about this. >> yeah. >> because it was as though there wasn't a moment to talk about it because the race for a lowed to quickly and people wanted to talk about it being a two-person race but i think people need a moment for this to breathe and ask why it happened and continued to happen and i want to start with sound from warren herself the day that she announced that she was dropping out. take a listen. >> agendaer in this race, you know that is the question for every woman. if you say, qua, there was sexism in this race, everyone says, whiner. and if you say, no, there was no sexism, about a bah zillion

women think what planet do you live on? i promise you this. i will have more to say on that subject later on. >> a promise we look forward to. that to me captured what is complicated of the question. you go on the attack as a woman and seen as angry and unhinged but if you don't then someone says why didn't you deploy the strategic advantage? you cry or don't cry. there's almost no way to do this and win. >> no, it is a trap. you wrote a book called "the likability trap." a plug. the point is that basically men set up or the society sets up rules for women to follow and we can never win the game that we are being tasked of playing trying to follow the rules. too aggressive, you are angry. not aggressive enough they basically deem you invisible and insignificant. the women running for president so six women we had a historic number of women enter the race

and try to become the president. one of the this ings that i think struck me at the very first debate and i didn't expect this because i worked for hillary clinton, we tried to get the first woman elected. but seeing a black woman on the stage really trying to be the president. she didn't show up like, well, this is a historic candidacy and here to check the box for diversity. she went after joe biden, the then front-runner, the current front r front-runner and went directly to him. i do think that it's a very tricky line that women have to walk whether or not they attack too hard or not hard enough and it unfortunately in 2016 we can't have this conversation because it was hillary clinton and hillary clinton is a uniquely polarizing historical figure and so we could ptd say it was sexist because people say it's hillary. it is not that. it is not because she is a woman. it's because she's a woman.

>> it was not her. >> it is not -- we don't like that woman or that woman or that woman or that woman. we list different reasons to allow ourselves to say it wasn't sexism when it really was. >> there was an element of the media and talking about the media, what are you talking about, did seem to learn some lessons of 2016. right? lessons learned of how you can't talk about the way a woman candidate looks, talking about in it a positive or negative way. it ultimately has a negative impact on the woman candidate. i think this time instead of of talking about likability we talked about electability as a proxy for likability. >> right. >> as though there's a mystical like, well, i don't know if other people will vote for her. that was a way of talking about the same thing. >> undotedly. right? i think the first thing of lessons learned of 2016, definitely true and limited lessons and i think speeging for reporters, i don't want to be the spokesman for reporters certainly but seeing in the

coverage is an acknowledgement that sexism does exist in the politics certainly and probably having an affect here and not always a ton of digging beneath the surface on that. when we talk about electability, i covered a lot of women candidates closely and talking to people at these events who are considering voting for them and over and over they say i want the person who's going to beat donald trump. the most electable person. i like this person and not sure if the neighbor will so i'm not sure if this person is electable. but when you have the conversation and dig deep we are them, they won't necessarily say because my neighbor is sexist. they use words that for those of us who know what we are listening to are watch words for sexism. they think this person sounds like she's scolding us. something like that over and over. you hear from the voters and it just is a deeply ingrained part of the political society that we have to figure out a way to talk about it. >> there was a great article in "the atlantic." quote, the paradox is subtle, but punishing, the harder she

works to prove to the public she is worthy of power, the more evidence of her competence, the more condescending allegedly she becomes. a plan for everything. and apparently those plans could just as much work against her as for her. >> we should still take a look at the moments in the face of a possible pandemic, too. don't mourn, organize. i think in this case we should mourn for a day or two or a week and actually examine a lessons learned, particularly from black candidates in history so i think of shirley chisholm, jesse jackson in '84 and '88. former senator. what were the lessons to learn around the race trap they had before an obama bucked out of that? and then how do we think about it in terms of in this case gender? i think back to january 2017 and the first women's march and the energy and organizing and then

the second women's march and then the third and it's -- there's questions of what happened. there are a lot of women i know getting tattoos out of disappointment and we need a moment to say what happened? sexism is a huge part of this story. there's other dynamics, too. we can't ignore that and then what's the strategy going forward in '22 and '24 and this election because, guess what, i think secretly -- >> leaning in, yes? >> president trump puts vice president pence in charge of the coronavirus response which will be a disaster to picnic i can haley. i think they have a strategy for a woman on the ticket and better have one on our side. >> sarah? >> when you talk about electability, people are really saying is what's presidential and had only men in the white house. and so, it's been so easy to see the media, to see a lot of of us on the left fall into the trap of assuming that women cannot be presidential because -- using

electability as a key word to say maybe she is not electable. >> there is a burning question for a lot of people and it is not a question that i'm going to give to you which is who elizabeth warren will endorse and where she will come down on that. we'll save that for another day because jameel smith makes a better point in "rolling stone" saying biden and sanders should be the drum majors of celebrating warren's ideas and the approach of politics in this race, they would both do themselves a service and the nation. does that help them bring her supporters to the table if they wrap their arms around these policies? >> absolutely because i think on the democratic side more so than the republican side you are actually supporting candidates with the set of policies. we care about ideas. we care about personality and care about your policies and so i think especially in this particular primary it started out so large and it was whittled down and it was the distinction

between how to pay for medicare for all. you haven't told us. that's a distinction of warren and bernie. go down the line. i feel like voters making the calculations throughout the series of debates. and so, going forward it would be really smart for both bernie and biden to adopt parts of elizabeth warren's policy platform. we did that in 2016, too. >> that's what she said with the -- >> yep, yep. >> picking up castro's immigration plan. like she has plans on plans on plans. >> yes. >> other candidates to learn about the amazing work. >> we should watch to see the joe biden team on this because when you look at the contrast built between the two candidates, bernie sanders is essentially trying to build a contrast of policy with joe biden. he talks about the iraq war vote, nafta, social security, funding votes over and over and the contrast is electability contrast. bernie talks of electability, too. but what biden is not doing is a

specific policy agreement against sanders and interesting if he tries to embrace the things that warren was talking about, the fellow progressive in the race as a way of sort of edging in on the strategy. >> there's a moment right now where both the sanders' campaign and the biden campaign can adopt one of her plans because we are in a crisis moment. especially with coronavirus. you can pick up her child care plan for universal child care. pick up the plan to address the lack of -- one in three workers without paid sick leave. do it now. ask her to adopt the plan. they could do that right now and actually come out of the -- have humility and come out looking presidential. >> all right. you are getting ahead of me. we'll get to that. after the break, we'll talk about the coronavirus, it's already a big test for america's health care system. could a serious outbreak change the political debate in the

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the arrival of coronavirus in the united states is bringing the health care debate into razor sharp focus. to get tested, for example, people have to go to the doctor. but with so many americans uninsured and health care costs and drug prices unaffordable for many, is the health care system built to contend with this type of public health crisis? clearly, the answer is, no. we'll jump ahead to part of the solutions. but before we get there, i want to ask do you get the sense that this is top of mind for people or that this is in any way changed voters' calculations? >> with the coronavirus specifically, i think a lot of people are starting to figure out how to think about this. people want to trust the government. they want to trust the person who's in charge and that's an important message but when you listen to the words that the

candidates are saying on the stump they're not talking about this much. voters when i talked to them out there -- >> do you think that's a mistake? >> i think that's going to change this week because it is starting to bleed into the way we talk about everything in this entire country. there's no doubt it's the first thing that -- moderators will ask at the debate next week. voters didn't think of -- talk about it that much but over and over started to see more voters wearing masks at an event. i was with bernie sanders final campaign rally before super tuesday in saimt paul, minnesota. they were asked to hold hands with the person next to them and they were unsure of that. >> link arms. there is both that piece, right, with the basic competence piece in assessing candidates and then there's also what a crisis like this brings into focus when it

comes into public. it matters the people i ride on the subway with whether or not they're healthy. it matters when i send my child to school whether or not the other children in her class are healthy. this piece from "the washington post" caught my attention. we don't want people to be wondering whether they can afford to visit the doctor if they think they have the contagious and possibly deadly disease and ideology and short sigtded thinking we have set up a situation that will force many to do just that. does this change the policy contours of this debate? >> absolutely. ell ellie wrote a great line. it is survival in a healthy body r. we a healthy society? it's a public health question around as i mentioned earlier the people, the 1 in 3 low wage workers in particular who do not have paid sick leave, what are

they supposed to do? 30 million children that rely on free school lunch, what will they do if school is closed? the attacks on asian americans because of the notion somehow, right, that this is an asian disease. so there are a lot of questions here and i think it puts on the table the questions many of the candidates have been raising around universal health care. i've mentioned senator warren with an emergency paid sick leave plan. they should move it and then there's something we can do at the state and local levels. they can pass paid sick leave right now to help workers be able to take the time off who aren't as privileged as some of us to stop the spread of this potential pandemic. >> bernie sanders asked about coronavirus. take a listen to what he said. >> you should not be having somebody like a vice president pence leading the task force, somebody who i think was, you

know, is to say -- to be gentle to him, to be kind, does not a great advocate for science in general. i have little confidence in the trump administration to do anything that's right or decent or certainly based on science. these are the guys that think climate change is a hoax. >> what does it mean for society at large if that suspicion that sanders articulating is more widespread? right, if there are people not certain if they can trust their government for the good and the best information? >> well, then they'll do things that put them themselves and their families in danger because i think a thing that we need to be able to do is trust the information. telling you to self quarantine, what does that -- what's involved in self quarantine? how am i keeping myself and my neighbors and my colleagues safe? because to dorian's point, that's the thing to be most worried about. people handling food, operating the public transportation like buses and subways and those

folks are the ones that are most vulnerable in any context but now we are in a crisis and so they're the first ones affected and this is one of those unique moments where the rich are also going to be affected. >> that's right. >> we have talked about health care and this intersects with immigration. this is a great piece to read from. many people who lack legal status largely avoid hospitals out of fear that their information might be released to i.c.e. even though emergency rooms here are known for being welcoming. this really touches on every single domestic issue down to immigration. >> absolutely. it goes down to immigration, it goes to when we see the major events in the hospitality industry that are canceled and what does it mean for the ability to keep their jobs? those are a pandemic like this

are what we could be facing is really the time for government to step up. it means this is part of when we are organizing on the left. we talk about medicare for all and mean all of us. no matter what your immigration status is. no matter how many hours a week you work. no matter -- those are the things that government is supposed to be stepping in for and this is the time for government to do so and it is a problem that we have a government like we do now who's not stepping up to the task. >> what happens when you have a president with authoritarian tendencies and a crisis like this on the horizon? >> really scary things because we as a society have a tendency, we want to trust the people who are in charge but over the last three years certainly in the last few weeks there a es no reason to trust a lot of words coming from the top of the government specifically with regards to this. the reporting about the direction of the government and the, you know, way they talked about testing and they have essentially lied about how tests

are available is discouraging. i don't know what it means for the society. i think we might find out and looking at what's happening in washington state where governor that's democrat tried to keep people calm, to keep people very apprised of how to get tested and self quarantine. vice president pence said he is doing a good job and then president trump called him a snake. it's very easy to believe that politics is covering everything here and then an administration that is primarily concerned with what it means far political future when you have a populist that's worried about its own health. joe biden is winning with latinos. both candidate need to bridge the gap if they're the nominee. how they can do after the break. . try wayfair! oh, ok. it's going to help you, with all of... this! yeah, here you go. thank you! oh, i like that one!

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2020 race for the democratic nomination is now essentially down to a two-man contest of former vice president joe biden and senator bernie sanders. biden is enjoying a swift boost

after black voters turned out in south carolina and latino voters in california energized by sanders but whichever wins the nomination they'll need to win support from both communities. as james garcia writes, the truth is that most black and latino people see eye to eye on most policy issues because we face the same challenges. not all are democrats. 10% of the african-americans and 20% of latinos will likely back trump's re-election but an overwhelming majority of voters understand the greatest single threat to the communities is the man that now occupies the white house. what is driving this primary support? what will it take to win the support of these two important elect rats? i want to bring in emily lawler. when you talk about the black vote, the latino vote, how's that playing out in michigan? >> yeah. you know, you hear a lot about

the number 10,700 in michigan, that's the amount that trump won by here in 2016. a number you hear less about is that in wayne county where detroit is situated there were 37,000 fewer votes between 2012 and 2016 so pretty significant depression there and i think that as democrats look at michigan they're really looking to recapture some of that enthusiasm, that demographic and i think certainly a lot of people view it as integral to the strategy of winning here. >> i want to be clear of why i thought this was worth dedicating an entire conversation to because as those numbers started to come in, it was very easy to do a thing that we see done a lot which is to position these two groups against each other. right? to say that clearly they must not share values, moving in opposite directions and that i would imagine is the exact opposite of what organizers like you want to be doing. >> absolutely. playing into that narrative is playing into trump's hands and what he's done since 2015

launching the campaign tar getting immigrants. they're right. black and latino voters have a lot in common, especially going down to young voters. they're supporting senator sanders right now and joe biden has work to do. it's much more complicated. we have a lot in common. both communities are needed to vote in very high numbers to get us to any victory in november. and so, we just have to keep disrupting that narrative and tension because it is not real. >> as we sit here and then coming sbak to the conversation, we have footage, joe biden has a g.o.t. rally happening in kansas city, missouri, waiting for a congressman to join him on stage. as we sit here in this bubble, happening in realtime. >> both organizations where we're home to latin voters and the first thing is black voters

respond to campaigns and organizations that invest in them. >> sanders campaign has put their money where their mouth is coming to reaching the electorate. >> second, digging into the data the second chance voter of those going for bernie is biden and the second for voters going for -- >> pundit brains are floeating. you can't say that. >> there's clarity on what the ultimate goal is. what's the north star? defeating trump. the question to ask ourselves is, after the primary is over, what will we be doing and what is the investment in turning out black and brown voters? we can't assume they just turn out without having trusted, local grassroots messengering talking to them daily, weekly and encouraging them to turn out and show up after election day. >> absolutely. we were talking earlier about

this e leklectability question. it was a lot of black voters, latino voters. i think right now the race happening in michigan is especially important to watch because obviously there's a very large potential turnout of both black and latin ex voters. bernie sanders speaking tonight in flint, talking specifically the campaign said about why black voters to be trusting him over joe biden. i think watching what the two campaigns say now specifically to the populations is especially important because they both understand that they need to be doing more outreach and feeling good of sectors of the communities and understand coming to general election you can't just go for one or the other. especially if you're trying to target this like this. they need a broad base message. >> also want to ask you, coming off of super tuesday, we saw incredibly long lines at a lot of polling places and infuriated and moving to see people so

committed to stand on the lines and stay when they were able. is michigan ready for the primary, for the turnout that's about to come its way? >> yeah. one thing that really does help michigan right now is that we opened up the absentee process and almost a million people issued absentee ballots and i think that takes a lot of pressure off the actual lines on election day. that said, it puts a lot of pressure on the local clerks and especially with the logistical challenge of people that voted out of the primary are now spoiling those ballots. more than 20,000 people spoiled the original ballots and filed a new one. returns might take a long time and i'm hopeful that voting itself does not take a long time. >> you have been inside the strategy meetings where some of the decisions are made but if you're the biden campaign you have to look at the sanders campaign saying, wow, on the latino piece, they got this. right? they went in, invested early. spent a lot of money, they made this a priority.

and if you are the sanders campaign you have to look at the biden campaign saying, wow, this is a groundswell of black support. what is -- is there time in the primary to learn lessons from the other? are those lessons that can be applied to the general? >> i think you can learn lessons. in bernie's case, the one thing that he's missing is the details. that's what older black voters want to hear. some policies have the details but not enough. medicare for all, how to pay for it, get it through the senate, my dad wants to know that. i'm for that. how will he get it done? that is not a question only my dad has but black voters living through civil rights and ronald reagan and george w. bush. you know? they understand how the system works. i think in a very savvy way. and so that's why their votes seem to come across as pragmatic. i think what bernie did well and biden can take some of this and implement it is using grassroots

organizers on the ground from the communities to reach out to more people and build the movement that way. in some ways that's the barack obama strategy. from 2008. they had a neighbor to neighbor program. it was about neighbors talking to other neighbors instead of bussing in organizers from out of state to talk to folks. i was an organizer. our job recruiting people from that community to go out and talk to their neighbors and friends so i think both campaigns can look at each other's strategies and take pieces that are working. >> i think you see how they try to do this in a short time line now, specific cli on the bernie side because they don't have time to regain the momentum. sanders campaign understands what you are talking about, especially this time around but when you look at the national message they're sending a thing to do is broaden out to older african-american voters who have been skeptical. they had an ad last week to seem like barack obama is endorsing them. >> that's the day that he asked him to drop out. the commercial with obama in it

is the day he was like, hey, step aside, bernie sanders. in 2016. so even the footage seemed to be a little disingenuous for ads to say barack obama's supporting bernie sanders when literally the opposite thing was happening in the footage. >> what will happen now is local trusted messengers in block clubs, who people are going to be listening to who they trust, right? not necessarily campaign messages and has to be -- you pointed to it. what's the strategy of finding those grassroots trusted messengers to be influential? getting people to vote. >> we'll stay on this concept with a different demographic. emily, thank you so much for joining us. next, bernie sanders is doing well with young voters. how does he guarantee they show up? we'll talk about the promise to bring a new generation of voters to the table and if he is delivering so far. no. n... ni ni, no no!

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young voters overwhelming support bernie sanders k. he turn that enthusiasm into greater turnout? sander it is choice of voters under 30 in every state, even in texas where he lost the state overall and still got four times more youth vote than biden. at the same time on super tuesday, the turnout of young voters compared to 2016 anywhere from 2% to 5%. this is your world. >> so the numbers are

complicated because a lot of times comparing to 2016 but 2016 a democratic and republican primary. we don't have democrat-only numbers from 2016. we are waiting for numbers and the primary -- >> it is a mess. >> it is a mess. what we can say is that if bernie sanders is relying on young people to get across the finish line then more work needs to be done. joe biden has a lot of work to be done to get young voters. certainly for the primary and the general. >> stick with me on sanders because i think any of us who have been in the field talking with young voters we see the enthusiasm. we see what it is -- they're responding to. when then is the gap? registration gap? is it a turnout gap? like i know this is not sexy but this is how people actually vote. >> exactly. when we tack about young voters, they're new voters and important for a lot of reasons. we have to register them. too many states it's hard to register to vote.

that's how you expand the electorate. candidates have to reach out to them. up to two thirds of young people have not been communicated with by presidential campaigns at all. >> that's across the board. you see it is as though campaigns are not reaching out to anyone because if you ask pretty much any demographic group, i haven't heard from anybody. >> like what are you all doing? we have a primary here. >> i want you to pick up on the second piece of what sarah was saying which is there's sanders and the gap between what someone would imagine coming out of the sanders' campaign an showing up and then joe biden should he be the nominee has a lot more ground to cover. >> a lot of ground to cover and we lived through 2016 so we have a lot of lessons learned. you need to understand that the new voters that sarah talked about, that is just one portion of quote/unquote the youth vote. talking about millennials and

generation-z -- >> we are old. >> i tell people millennials -- >> we are the entitled millennials. we said this in '16. they think about buying homes, health care, child care. we are thinking about student loan debt because free college is not a message that necessarily resonates with somebody at 35 but how do i pay back the debt i took out when i did go to school? the issues are divergent of what people assume young people quote s quote/unquote care about and they tailor messages to the groups. i'm not only talking to people to pay for college in the future but taylor messages and be intentional about it. i had a conversation last year with stacy abrams and she said about her campaign which obviously wasn't successful because of fraud. just fraudulent processes and systemic errors and running against a person setting up the election infrastructure so, you

know, that's never going to turn out well, she said that part of it is you have to talk to everyone. >> right. >> you actually have to talk to everyone. i think that sometimes we assume that campaigns are doing that and going out to speak to college students and single moms and people just married or trying to buy a home an they're not. showing up at the same churches, same senior homes and same campuses. >> folks are not paying attention to the epic turnout since 2016. young people are engaged, ready to participate and we've seen increases in turnout. >> it is so much easier to dunk on them. that's the problem. >> young people are like eager to engage. they want to know what -- participate, they want to know the big bold policy solutions to make our lives better. >> gabe, you spent a lot of time with the sanders campaign in

rece recent days. do they see the numbers and recognize it as a problem for them? >> there's a sense of tremendous disappointment in the numbers not just because they didn't turn out, didn't hit the tar gets they expect but the whole central pitch of the sanders campaign right now and his attempt to become president. it's that he can affect the change and this is central to the electability argument he is making to bring the massive new group of voters to the polls and disappointment not just in terms of short-term politics but because he is not -- people around him, i don't want to speak for him, obviously, but they're not certain that this is going to happen or that this idea is correct unless they really distill the message or talk about issues in a different way. that's what we will start to see now. sanders is not -- he's basically given the same speech with a couple variations. >> last few months? i can do the speech, gabe. >> that's right. but i would suggest that we might see him talking about

slightly different things in the next few days because it is crunch time for him in terms of the math and they understand that they need to change the makeup of the people going out to vote for him or else he won't win. >> i'm going to let you answer the last question which is there's always a sense like, well, the millennials will grow up, bills to pay and they'll move on and part of what we have seen pew research with a thing on this, this is a generation that has stayed consistently progressive even as they have gotten older. how does that ultimately change the face of american politics? >> i feel a little guilty as a nonmillennial gen-x -- >> you can slip right in. >> don't mourn, organize. yes, millennials and gen-z much more progressive and racial differences. we have to look at white youth in particular. start to organize. >> gender differences, as well. >> if you invest in youth organizing and -- and and invested beyond the primary and

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in a week where we've lost the last viable woman candidate for president, feminism is once again a topic. hood feminism is a new book that offers a vision for what politician that center women of color might look like. joining me now is the author. i'm so happy you're here. this is a ploy to finally meet a twitter icon. thank you for being here. there are lots of books about feminism. i'm glad i'm finally putting my women's studies dreg to use by having this conversation. what is missing? >> we always talk about what

black voters are doing. we don't talk about white women are doing. what white women are the single largest block of voters that are not white men and as we focus on these others, we know the 53% voted for trump. we know as we slide into an election cycle that i'm just not going talk about too hard, warren didn't get white women's votes. so what are we doing if we can't vote? if feminism is still failing white women? what are we doing. >> part of what i found so compelling about the book is the way i'll use the word and you'll forgive me for using it because it already puts me back in a women's study section, you talk b about the fact that we talk b about women's issues as though you can i guegnore race and cla when talking about those. so that an issue like child care, right. should be very centered in many of these policies because it is

not just a women's issue. it is an issue across the board. >> one of the things that's weird about the child care c conversation is that women have to figure out child care, but we're not making babies by themselves. no one is looking at men saying how are you going to go back to work. we're all looking to mom to figure out how to afford it or give up her job. then we say well, we have to make it more affordable. how much are we paying child care workers? women are facing a wage gap that's significant and women of color are facing an even more significant age gap. well does it make sense for you to go back to work because you're making less? you're making less because your gender is different. >> if you were going to sit down with biden, with sanders, and give them your sage counsel. what would it be. >> i would tell them to go pick up elizabeth warren's entire

platform. the whole thing. sure, go through, negotiate, figure out it u. instead of medicaid or medicare for all, you should be talking about medicaid because medicine, ask any 60-year-old black person whose medicare, 65-year-old, they have a two hour spiel about how bad it is so explain how this is better then go down the list of issues that matter to women. let's start focusing on things that impact voters of color, who are younger. again x still exists. we haven't gone away. we're sandwiches between taking care of eililderly parents and children and our own college debt. perhaps start talking to voters who who up to the polls consistently and have for 20 years. >> i'm going to give you my copy of the big or i will buy a copy because i now understand the economics and how complicated it

is. you spend a lot of time thinking b about these questions. what is is it that we miss when we talk about women of color and about the vote at large? >> the fact that white women are more loyal to that ir race than their gender. >> you hit that point. >> hillary clinton has talked about that in her book. all the research shows this, but we never ask why and i think that you know, when you throw in a term like white privilege, people recoil because they hear racist. what you need to be able to explain is that when you're talking about privilege, you're simply talking about things people don't have to think about. men don't necessarily have to look in the mirror to check their outfit out to make sure it's presentable enough they won't get street harassment. right? that is privilege. that is male privilege. one thing men don't have to think about before they leave the house. do they have to sit in makeup for an hour? no. there's just something, those are easier examples and maybe that helps explain it in a

better way because people aren't as defensive when you u use examples like that. but i think that's the first step then the second step is talking in real terms about the policy plans that benefit white women and how they negatively impact women of color, like the hyde amendment. joe biden was not in the right place on that. he was not for repealing the hyde amendment and to be clear, neither was bernie sanders at the beginning of the 2016 primary. and so that is something that they need to both be able to understand and articulate a vision for repealing it and where we're going to go from there because the hyde amendment is the thing that prevents low income women from being able to use their medicaid or government health care plan to pay for a legal abortion. they have the right to it but they don't have the money to be able to access it and there's a law preventing them from using their health care plans. that's one way i think these candidates can speak to women of

color in a better way. >> let's roll even further back because this is where warren and others are falling down. we can go with the indian child welfare act. talk about making sure women who have children are able to keep their children. we can talk b about what is happening you know, illinois had this long running foster care scandal. people are needing abortions because they can't afford to feed the children they have, not because they're feeding irresponsible because currently, food stamps work out to 1.70. who are you feeding on 1.57? what are they eating? >> i want to thank my guests. that's all the time i have for this hour. i'll be back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. richard lui takes over at the top of the hour. lui takes over top of the hour. for a single sh? with stock bits on sofi invest, you don't have to. stock bits lets you buy a fraction of a share, instead of buying the whole thing.

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