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can your internet do that? good morning, i'm ali velshi at msnbc world headquarters in new york. senator kamala harris announced her endorsement of joe biden in the democratic race. mike memele covers the biden

campaign. he joins us on the phone. mike, why now? >> reporter: that's a great question, ali. there was a question last week when we saw this rush of endorsements, amy klobuchar, pete buttigieg to the former vice president and there was thinking that kamala harris should have been there. some people wonder if she missed the moment. she is coming out and enthusiastically endorsing the vice president. the first woman to win the nominee received 3 million more votes than donald trump and we find ourselves without any woman on a path to be a nominee. she gives her enthusiastic support to the former vice president. it's interesting when you see how the nomination went down. the first stumble was when

senator harris went after him on the debate stage over the issues of bussing, questioning his record on civil rights. this is the party running together now. this is the party coal less being around joe biden in the so-called moderate lane of this party. harris indicates that she'll likely -- that she'll be in detroit on monday night. we know the former vice president has a rally there. it would appear that there will be another joining of forces between the candidate and the former candidate on the stage this weekend. but the question is, of course, how much support will -- how much will their support help the former vice president at this point? he seemed to be on a pretty strong trajectory at this point amassing delegates and endorsements by the way. we in the biden press core have lost count. this is a big one for him. >> mike memoli, thank you for

joining me. he has been covering the biden campaign not just in this cycle but he has been doing this for more than ten years with joe biden. here with me are three people who are still free agents, essentially, that's how i'm describing them. mayor michael nutter, former mayor of philadelphia and former national co-chair for the now ended mike bloomberg campaign. maya rupert, former senior advisor for the elizabeth warren campaign and she was with a different campaign before that. and democratic congressman roger christian of illinois who has not endorsed a candidate in the race. thank you for joining us. >> maya, i want to carry on with the conversation about kamala harris. in her video that she tweeted out she talked about the fact that she is at the edmund pettis bridge commemorating bloody sunday and that she is going to michigan.

those are two interesting references, right? they do seem to be targeted at african-americans, a group with whom generally speaking joe biden has done better. better in the south than in the north. better amongst older african-americans than younger african-americans, and she seems to be suggesting that that's an area of support that she can help coalesce for joe biden. what do you make of that? >> i definitely think that was the intention and i think that makes sense. senator harris is very popular in the black community. she's going to help the former vice president particularly in that community which is obviously as we've seen, black voters are the face of the democratic party. it's an important message that she's sending and one people need to take seriously. resonating with the black community is a must. >> you were supporting julio castro initially. do you have any sense of what

elizabeth warren is likely to do thonn front? polling indicates that her supporters are sort of split, more toward bernie sanders by a few points than joe biden, but obviously what elizabeth warren says would be influential on that front. >> sure. i can tell you that whatever she does ultimately will not be about polling. nothing she did in the cycle was about the polls. she's going to go -- you know, if she decides to make a decision, it's going to be from the heart, but i also know that she has a lot of respect for both of these men and so she definitely has options in front of her, but she has not made a decision yet. >> michael nutter, your candidate, rachel maddow was talking to elizabeth warren the other night and saying that a lot of people accused elizabeth warren or said, credited, whatever you want to say, credited elizabeth warren with trying to take mike bloomberg out of the race and she said, yes, she did do that. we're talking about bad blood. does that exist? what i want to understand here is the fight for what the

democratic party is. mike bloomberg was out there particularly targeting bernie sanders and saying that's not going to work. that's not where the democratic party has to be to win. so what happens now? >> well, as you pointed out, mike did endorse vice president biden. he is -- continues to be singularly focused on defeating donald trump and is taking all steps necessary to accomplish that goal. the mission started, mike bloomberg wants to complete that mission, which is removing electorally donald trump from the white house. >> roger christian murphy, what does this mean? is it over stating it to say that the battle between these two main candidates remaining is something for a fight of what the democratic party needs to be or wants to identify itself as? a number of democrats, more democrats than not, say that the primary goal in november is to beat donald trump, but a large

minority say it's being aligned with the candidate who shares your views. >> well, i personally think, ali, that a lot of voters decide based on who connects here with their heart before they connect, you know, necessarily with their intellectual approach to the issues. and here both offer tremendous appeal. bernie sanders offers his authenticity based on his personal convictions and then joe biden offers tremendous humanity and heart based on his personal life tragedies. and i think that that as much as anything else will, in my opinion, sway voters who really connects because the overall goals are very similar between the two. they both want to fight man-made climate change. they both want to end gun view loengs. they want to reduce and shrink the gap between the haves and the have nots and they want to

end discrimination based on where you come from or who you love or how you pray or how many letters there are in your name. there are 29 in mine. i think that both of them share goals that will allow either one of them to be victorious in november. >> maya, i don't want to put words into the congressman's mouth, but he's talking about decency versus disparate conversation in america. a lot of people say african-american voters may not have that privilege. every american should have that privilege. you should be able to cast your ballot for people who you want to vote for. for african-americans, the priorities may have to be different because donald trump has been so uniquely devastating to that community that beating donald trump has to be more important than who you like. >> i think it's true for black voters and a lot of voters.

beating donald trump has represented such a goal in this cycle. i think with black voters in particular, we have some history where people tend to be more risk averse voters, and that's true, because very often this is a community where when things go wrong they're going to go wrong there first. so a lot of folks feel like beating donald trump, we need to make sure that this threat gets out of the white house before we can look sort of too much further outside of that. but i will say that i think in a lot of ways there is a bit of a false choice there. i think that donald trump is going to be defeated by ideas that resonate with people and that are popular. i think one thing that we think and we have seen that it's undeniable in the cycle is that progressive ideas are popular. we have had a robust primary. there have been progressive candidates representing very progressive ideas and they have gotten votes. they have polled high. they have gotten the approval of

voters so i think that basically what we have is a party that is accepting that progressive ideas need to be at the core of the platform, but that is not all people are looking for. i think when you talk to voters, this moderate lane versus progressive lane kind of disappears from people's thinking. it's really about ideas that they are going to want to turn out for but the reason for that is, yes, i want -- individually i want to feel connected with these ideas but more than that, these ideas are popular and we have to beat donald trump. so i think that that -- you know, there's more of a golden thread there than maybe is given credit. the ideas are linked for people. >> michael nutter, the campaign certainly the last couple of debates have been rough in some instances. certainly las vegas was rough for michael bloomberg but there were a lot of people critical of that. i was following the debate on tv and twitter, saying these people

should be aiming their fire at donald trump not each other. maybe the viewer could say that's how they're going to go after donald trump. do you think the way this campaign has turned has become damaging? are there voters who are already getting turned off or are they saying, hey, whoever comes out of this survived a nasty fight and deserves my vote in november? >> well, i mean, this is a political contest. it's not mixed martial arts. we know for a fact that until nevada the viewer ship of the debates had been, you know, a little up and down. >> yeah. >> i think some of the voters were getting concerned about the battles going forward. i'm reminded of the moments that dr. king, we're confronted with the fierce urgency of now. the voters are wondering what's going to happen now and the start of your show was about the soul of the democratic party. what we're coming down to is prague anytism versus

philosophy. voters are looking at what's going to happen now. as maya talked about, who is going to be able to remove donald trump from the white house? then we have the luxury, to some extent, to then argue about all of these other different things. i think we will increasingly see though, not to be in conflict with the congressman, there will be some distinctions and there will be some differences made between senator sanders and vice president biden. i expect both of them will be making a case in a somewhat different manner. there's a lot more to come here. your last point, you know, we have to be careful in these contests not to so damage each other. president clinton talked about the politics of personal destruction such that whoever survives the process and gets to the nomination is not wounded so badly in the fall that they're dealing with a lunatic like donald trump who knows no bottom. there is nowhere that he won't go and we have to be prepared

for that and our candidate needs to be strong. >> and congressman, i count 18 letters in your name, how do you get to 29? is there a name that i don't know? >> yeah, you haven't seen my first name. it's a doozy. 29 letters. >> it would wrap around the chyron. >> you are the one person who is still in the office and have to deal with your constituents. maya's point about the fact this doesn't -- isn't the way regular people necessarily think about this, what do you think happens? the problem is we've got such strong supporters behind joe biden, such strong supporters behind bernie sanders, will they be able to put their swords down come november and say vote blue no matter who? >> yes, i think so. you know, the -- >> with enthusiasm? >> yes, i think so. i think on super tuesday you saw that enthusiasm manifest in record turnouts in a lot of

states and i think that that's in part because i think people have their eyes on the prize, which is november, and they want to make sure that we are victorious then. look, the primary process is messy, but as you remember in 2008, we did not have a nominee until june as i recall and people were concerned. are hillary clinton supporters going to support barack obama and it turns out they did and they came out and supported barack obama who went on to two very successful terms as president. i suspect the same thing is going to happen here, but it's very important that as we mentioned before, the attacks not be personal and that we can disagree without being disagreeable even on the debate stage. to that end i was glad that when bernie sanders the other day spoke he disavowed any personal attacks and he called joe biden his friend and i think joe biden has made similar sentiments and

that's a good start as we kind of continue into this next phase of the process. >> thank you to the three of you for joining me this morning. mayor michael nutter is the former mayor of philadelphia and maya rupertrupert. and congressman. i'll talk to the man who ran president obama's response to the ebola crisis about how this administration is doing so far. you get a strong repair that you can trust. plus, with most insurance a safelite repair is no cost to you. >> customer: really?! >> singers: safelite repair, safelite replace. who doesn't love a deal? i do. check out the united explorer card. savin' on this! savin' on this! savin' in here. rewarded! learn more at the explorer card dot com. adds to the legendary capability of the strongest,

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a number of people infected with the coronavirus and the number of those who have died is rising making the government response critical. thus far the trump administration has done little to mitigate concern. in fact, trump has on numerous occasions directly contradicted the vice of his medical and

professionals. back in 2019 the center for strategic and international studies ran a disaster scenario to see how the government would deal with a pandemic. they used this same real life scenario. the results are concerning predicting reactions like the emergency federal reserve cuts and the travel bans. the report goes deeper identifying an issue with the long-term approach of how we deal with health crises. they write, overall the u.s. government's approach continues to suffer from a cycle of crisis and complacency, meaning that leaders scramble to react to a headline epidemic and then their attention drifts hurting their ability to prevent the next one. mapping from crisis to crisis carries a staggering cost in lives and dollars. in other words, it is in our economic interest, the national security interest and the interest of our health to invest in preparedness on an ongoing

basis. now that we're in the middle of a health crisis, what can we do now for this cries sits asis an future. joining me is a panel to discuss the coronavirus. ron, the ebola thing is important because it was an important crisis, sars was an important crisis and you'd think we learned from that and we would stay with it. let me just tell you, the president has just tweeted on this. he has said, we have a perfectly coordinated and fine-tuned plan at the white house for our attack on the coronavirus. we moved very early to close borders to certain areas which was a godsend. vp is doing great job. the fake news media is doing everything possible to make us

look bad. sad, exclamation. the president's spending a lot of time defending himself. i'm more interested in this larger area. are we prepared? do we learn from our experiences like sars and ebola and have the right things in place? >> no. look, i mean, laurie has written about this for many years. she's really the leading expert on this. what i will say is let's point to some specific examples. at the end of the ebola epidemic president obama set up a permanent white house office on preparedness and response. president trump abolished that office, kicked the experts out of the office in july of 2018. he cut three out of four global monitoring stations that the centers for disease control had set up to track this. repeatedly cut the cdc budget. we have never been truly prepared as a country but we are less prepared today than we were two years ago for this kind of situation. and since it's arrived here, the trump administration has made a

series of mistakes, most notably around this testing fiasco that have squandered the time they bought with travel restrictions to get ready for the emergency coronavirus in the u.s. and puts us behind most of the other major developed nations on the earth in terms of being able to test and protect populations. >> well, actually, the basic thrust of the trump administration policy, when there has been a policy that you could actually identify, has been about containment. so we will contain the virus outside our borders through this sort of old-fashioned thinking that, you know, viruses have to cross the moat, pull up the draw bridge and everybody is safe inside the castle. that would be the way we restrict it. we now know from genetic analysis that the strains that have been turning up to americans trace back to the two key things, the blenders and decisions made regarding the

evacuation of u.s. personnel from wuhan and the blunders made on these cruise ships and where these people were taken, how they were treated, who handled them. all of the outcomes there that flowed from there. so the containment strategy was itself so seriously flawed, so poorly executed that now we have to shift to mitigation. >> trump said it was a godsend. >> if it was a godsend it's a pretty -- i don't want to go there. >> ron, i guess i'm trying to distinguish. we listened to donald trump speak on friday night. people asked him why you know souch aboso much about this and maybe he should have gone into this. everyone who wants a test can get a test, yesterday he said that on friday, and that's empirically not true. there were supposed to be 1 million by friday and there were 75,000. we might have a million by

monday. robert redfield is standing next to him and anthony fauci and alex azar is trying to do a good job and not polite size every conversation about this. i'm trying to understand how much is donald trump and vice president mike pence who doesn't understand how infections spread and how much of this is fundamentally a structural problem about the fact that there are going to be epidemics and we need to have policy? >> to be fair, it's some of both. obviously, any kind of situation like this sends people scrambling and requires improvisation and rapid movement so that's true, but we have unique problems of that arising under president trump. online they called the trump policy don't test don't tell. i think that the failure to develop these tests and disseminate the tests as soon as possible does reflect the fact

that the president was signaling to the bureaucracy, to everyone, i don't want the numbers to go up. you said this about why the passengers on the cruise ship are stranded off shore. >> i want to stop you there just to underscore the point that you're making. he actually said i would leave them there. i don't want the numbers doubling because of a cruise ship that wasn't our fault. that's how he actually said it. i don't know anything about infectious diseases so i don't know whether they should be on the cruise ship or shouldn't be. i didn't think that the numbers doubling and it's not our fault would figure into the reasoning. >> look, ali, it takes a lot of -- a vast array of talent and tools to make this work. the president either sends a signal that says, hey, bring me the truth. bring me science and move quickly or he sends a signal that says, i don't want to hear bad news. i don't want the count to move. i don't want to hear anything bad. president trump set the first set of signals.

president obama set the first set of signals. there is no question that has impacted the laggard nature of it. when dr. messier stood up and said, this is inevitable in the u.s. trump side lined her. he said she was spreading bad news. that's not the way you get the government to react quickly and effectively about it. >> let's not look back, let's look forward here. what are the key decision points that have to be reached right now? we now know that both the president and vice president attended the cpac sessions with two individuals that turn out to be infected. somebody has to make a decision. should the president cancel public events? should there be a limitation? i mean, ali, think about this. what would be the reaction. what if the president develops covid or the vice president. we don't have a policy. the secret service should be

calling the shots. let's take the next step. do we continue to hold the election rallies? should donald trump wade into crowds of 50,000 people? >> many of whom believe this is all false. >> and are clearly looking at the crowds, not taking any limitations of social distancing that might protect them. on the democratic side, should biden and bernie sanders both be waiting into large crowds and shaking those hands? we have some really important, crucial political events coming up and somebody needs to decide. >> while i appreciate it's you, my feeling is i'd like to have the government giving us accurate guidance, not telling us -- >> ali, every single one of us that's publicly out there talking about covid is getting deluged with questions that governments should be answering. is it safe for me to fly? should i not fly to greece next week with my kids? should i take my kids out of the

university dorms? this, that. it's not my role to answer those questions. >> that's right. >> government should be doing this. >> although we appreciate you are here helping us and ron is here helping us. in the absence of that information we need to get the information where we can get it. ron is a former white house ebola policy and a pulitzer prize winning author laurie garrett. we break down the democratic delegate count in the race for the white house. this is velshi on msnbc. who stood up. who stood strong. who demanded to be seen. to be heard. to be counted. learning about their courage and grit... ...inspires us to pass it on... ...to the women who are next. ♪ find your family's connection to this moment in history. at ancestry.

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welcome back. we've turned a major corner in the race for the democratic presidential nomination. super tuesday is in the rear-view mirror. more than 1/3 of the delegates are awarded and we are down to a two-man race. joe biden who just this morning secured the backing of senator kamala harris is the delegate

leader right now. he's 68 delegates ahead of bernie sanders although it's important to note that this will continue to change because there are still some super delegates that have to be allocated, especially in california. and we have a mini super tuesday this week. there are six contests for a total of 352 delegates available. the big one, as you can see, is michigan, with 125 delegates available. the most recent polling shows biden with a significant lead and he's got to -- he's also secured the influential endorsement of michigan's governor gretchen whitmer who was a guest on my show yesterday. the primary in washington state, 89 delegates, despite the fears that it should not be affected by the covid-19 outbreak. it has implemented as a mail-in only primary.

so hopefully isn't going to be affected too much. the latest polling from the nbc affiliate shows the race is essentially a tossup but that included elizabeth warren who's no longer in the race. also available are missouri's 68 delegates. joe biden has a significant lead in the polling in the states. according to the latest real clear politics average. there's another contest next week on saturday. the northern mariana islands are holding their caucus. 6 delegates are up for grabs. at this point in a two-person race every delegate counts considering how this race is shaping up. coming up next, one of michigan's most famous residents and most famous bernie supporters michael moore joins me live. oins me live. hey there!

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later on today we're going to have the support i believe here in grand rapids of jesse jackson, and as i think you well know, you know jesse, jesse has been one of the great civil rights leaders. >> bernie sanders moments ago saying the reverend jesse jackson will endorse him for president. the news follows senator kamala harris's endorsement of joe biden this morning. this comes before tuesday's next round of nominating contests which include michigan. when you think of michigan you think of my next guest, michael moore. he is a supporter of bernie sanders. he's got a new podcast rumble. >> rumble with michael moore. >> rumble with michael moore.

he's a rush fan. >> rush the band. >> rush the band. >> not rush the radio host. >> you and i have had a long relationship. any time i talk to anybody who's a supporter of any candidate. the world blows up and accuses us of being in the tank for somebody. you and i have had conversations. i think people would say we're friends and we aren't in the tank for political views always. >> that's correct. i have no bone to pick with you. >> no, you have no bone to pick with me. >> let me hang out tomorrow or the day after that. >> the reason i ask you about this. we have no bone to pick with each other but there are supporters of now bernie sanders and joe biden and some of the other candidates who do have bones to pick with each other and it worries me that it's getting so deeply vitriolic that one of them is going to one and the other one's supporters may

sit out. >> i think first of all we have yet to have the great debate between bernie sanders and joe biden. i'm sorry that michigan becomes the first state -- the tuesday states are the first states that don't get a debate. one before iowa, one before new hampshire, one before south carolina on super tuesday and nothing for michigan. >> yeah. >> so we don't get to see how joe biden would do standing there on the stage for two hours one on one with bernie sanders and now i've just heard coming in the building that the debate that is scheduled for the 15th of march, that they are going to have the both of them sit in chairs and take questions from the audience and make it easier for one of the candidates who some are worried about having to go that long and talk that much. the person that, as rachel pointed out this week, she's been begging to come on her show since the campaign began. >> you're talking about joe biden?

>> joe biden who, as you know, does not like to come on these shows, doesn't do a lot of shows, doesn't do a lot of tv and we really need to see the two of them go at the issues. neither of them are people that are going to attack each other personally. i don't even worry about that. >> right. >> i think that -- so i want to see that. >> let's talk about the rest -- >> people in michigan and washington should be the same. >> rachel did talk with bernie sanders and she spoke with elizabeth warren and she talked about supporters. let's listen. >> i am absolutely aghast and disgusted with any kind of vitt try ole -- by the way, if you think that doesn't come into our campaign -- >> i'm not talking about incoming, i'm talking about outgoing. >> i condemn that. what we want our supporters to be doing is talk about the issues. have a vigorous debate about the issues. we don't need ugly personal attacks against senator warren

or anyone for that matter. >> it's not just about me. i have a real problem with this online bullying and sort of organized nastiness. and i'm not just talking about who said mean things, i'm talking about some really ugly stuff that went on. i think this fundamental question about what goes onion line and where those lines are and how much each of us, and i want to say this for all of the candidates back when there were lots of us, we are responsible for the people who claim to be our supporters and do really threatening, ugly, dangerous things. >> what's your take on that? >> this is -- that's wrong. >> you're a big tweeter. very active. >> yes. if supporters of you attack me after this show, i don't blame you after that. it's twitter. it's a swamp. that -- this is such -- why

we're talking about this when 87 million americans have no health insurance or are under insured, this is a non-issue. bernie is the opposite of all of that and the fact that it keeps getting brought up. i want to know why -- the other night bernie sanders spoke at a rally in phoenix, arizona. i have yet to see on the news and then repeated over and over again which supporter, which candidate came in and hung the nazi flag up in the stands. have you seen that? >> i haven't seen it. >> why not? talk about vitriole. >> i know joe biden said -- >> his people didn't do it? >> he said there should be no nazi flag. >> we would never assume joe biden's people would hang a nazi flag. >> if anybody does tweet me about michael moore, if i respond i will say, i don't need insulting tweets about anybody. by the way, you tried to save me from a hurricane once so you're on my side. let's talk about the major issue. >> let's talk about the real

issues. >> in michigan it is uniquely important. there are two issues there, trade and how it's affected because you and my home state of ontario are major trading states with each other and health care, right? >> right. >> health care, you've had a lot of experience with the health care which i grew up in in canada. >> free doctor. >> nobody pays for anything. >> hospital free. >> in the environment we're in with coronavirus, my system would actually work better than america's system. that's not the same as what bernie sanders is necessarily recommending, but every other major democracy in the world has universal health care. >> where everybody will go to get tested. nobody has to worry about paying for it and i love how the -- trump's coronavirus people at those press conferences tell people if they feel they're sick, don't go to work. oh, really? this isn't a european country where when you're sick -- >> you can be paid. >> you're going to stay home and get your full pay. not here. you're telling americans, half of whom are living from paycheck

to paycheck, just stay home. they're not going to stay home. this is why we will perhaps, hopefully not, have more people infected because more people will go to work because -- >> because they can't afford not to. >> because they can't afford to pay the rent. >> you and i know, we're both on the record as thinking universal health care is the way to do it. i like a single payer system, it's what i grew up in and it's what i know. >> single payer is a struggle. today you can't get legislation that agrees on what day in march it is. how will bernie sanders get it done? i'm not asking you how he pays for it. i think they pay for themselves because people will be healthy. >> how will we ever have same-sex marriage? how will we get all of these heterosexuals -- how will we give women the vote. back then they were all men. what did they think? >> you don't think we're more

polar rai polarized today than sfwheerp. >> more enlightened. we would never go back and be that way again, but that's not really -- that's not really the issue. the issue is, look, we have to flip the senate. bernie as president, he's going to create an fdr. i'm sure fdr thought how am i going to get this all through? >> he has an economic plan that's like that. >> he got it all through. can i say, too, a lot of endorsements this morning with kamala, which is a wonderful person endorsing joe biden and of course jesse jackson endorsing bernie sanders. i worked on jesse's first campaign when he ran for president back in the '80s. >> yeah. >> there are other endorsements though that don't seem to be covered by cable news, the endorsements that came out this week? can i give you a couple of these that have not been mentioned on any network? >> yeah. >> caitlyn, she's a resident

doctor, doing her residency at a catholic hospital in -- near seattle. she has $300,000 of student debt, $300,000 to put herself through medical school. she's come out and endorsed bernie. there's nick in kalamazoo, michigan, who wrote to me. he hasn't seen a dentist in three years and he's got a horrible rotted abscess, something going on in his tooth. he doesn't have the money to go see the dentist. and you know you mess with your mouth, he's endorsed bernie sanders. >> right. >> the single mom who brought me my girl scout cookies this week -- don't see those, i'm sorry. she told me she's endorsed bernie sanders. that's who i care about. >> all right. >> not what politicians are. the people out there. >> all right. so after this break i'm going to talk about the economic policies of bernie sanders and joe biden and i don't want to hear anything on twitter negative about michael moore. he comes and he engages, we

talk. >> say whatever you want. it's just twitter. >> right. correct. it is just twitter. >> come on. >> just be nice. >> no crying in twitter. >> good to see you, my friend. >> we're coming back? with michael moore. we'll be right back. do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging?

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sanders and joe biden. i'm joined now by caleb still he ver, editor-in-chief with invest pedia. to break this done. let's tart start with health care. >> and bernie sanders has the plan medicare for all. no premium or co-pays and cut drug prices in half but also make it possible to dbuy drugs from other countries. >> and let's talk about joe biden's side of that. he does share a view on prescriptions as well. but he wants aca, which is obamacare. >> he wants to expand obamacare. this would be an expansion of what is in place. and also introducing a new public health insurance option and increasing plans to lower premiums. and he wants to repeal the exemptions.

they have a similar approach to drug prices. >> and the other issue is jobs. bernie sanders' whole thing, he says even should have a right to a job in america. >> wrigh >> right. and fdr was talking about a new economic bill of rights and bernie sanders is taking over that. >> and on jobs. >> he wants to guarantee a job for everyone and that is a pretty ambitious plan. he wants to reform the labor laws and raise taxes on he companies enormous tax increases for companies and rich individuals to make sure that everybody can have a job and even can have -- >> so this means jobs come back to america or you are penalized. >> and at idea is that you will take the money in revenue or jobs will come back to the united states. >> biden on jobs. >> so he is talk about free two year community college to retrain the workforce to get them into green jobs. and he is talking about

establishing trade rule for workers it's rights. and also investing $20 billion in infrastructure to low carbon jobs. a lot of these things are big expansive plans and they will face a lot of challenges. >> and in comparison to bernie sanders who likes the "green new deal" which is a much -- that is much more expansive than this, although it is ten years, "green new deal" is a longer period. >> and this is a reframing of the entire u.s. economy. both will cost a lot and hire t higher taxes. and up next, the conversation continues with "a.m. joy." next, the conversation continues with "a.m. joy. umal- cut. and up next, the conversation continues with "a.m. joy." d up next, the conversation continues with "a.m. joy. so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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thachnks for watching. a.m. joy with joy reid starts right now. and i'm trying to parse the difference between what is really happening with the government about coronavirus and what donald trump says because it is a big distraction. he keeps saying stuff that is not in sync with what the experts are saying. >> he tweeted about the perfect plan and everything. and i'm getting all the stories of people encountering trump supporters who don't believe there is coronavirus. >> so now i want the government to think about this.