thachnks for watching. a.m. joy with joy reid starts right now. and i'm trying to parse the difference between what is really happening with the government about coronavirus and what donald trump says because it is a big distraction. he keeps saying stuff that is not in sync with what the experts are saying. >> he tweeted about the perfect plan and everything. and i'm getting all the stories of people encountering trump supporters who don't believe there is coronavirus. >> so now i want the government to think about this.

we have assembly, people at cpac who have it. we're doing rallies. i'd love too know wh know about move forward with this thing instead of the tweets that seem to be down playing it saying the fake news media is responsible. >> and you also have to have a government that does believe in the science because they can't read act if react if it doesn't believe that it is real. and then the experts like dr. fauci feel comfortable talking about the science. >> actually seeing them take something that is science, weather prediction, and change it for political needs makes me wonder do we have a problem with testing kits or does donald trump not want to know how many people have coronavirus. >> air high five. appreciate you, thank you very much. good morning, everyone. welcome to "a.m. joy."

whether you're worrying about whether on-to-get into the uber or stay home there work and perhaps fretting over whether the trump administration is competent to keep you safe in the midst of this rapidly growing coronavirus outbreak, here is what the folks running the country have been unto. last week as states began reporting coronavirus cases, donald trump and mike pence who trump put in charge of overseeing the coronavirus respon were both at cpac where we're learning an attendee tested positive. just one day after florida officials announced the death of two people from coronavirus including one in the district of congressman matt gates who mocked the outbreak by wearing a gas mask on the house floor, mike pence thought it was a good idea to travel to palm beach to pal around at the rnc's spring retreat. donald trump also went to florida where he continued his

habit of company zzying up to ac tr t autocra autocrats. and here is your secretary of state on social media mocking the pinky promises that elizabeth warren made with little girls who might some day want to be pld. according to trump, it is just business as usual. [ inaudible ] >> we've done a fantastic job with respect to the subject of the virus. and we've had great -- we've had tremendous cooperation with other countries and all over the world. and wi we've made it tough, very str stringent quarters. [ inaudible ] >> no, i'm not concerned. >> except that new reporting underscores just how kay on the

and i can and inadequate the response has been from the trump white house. a federal official says that the white house overruled health officials who wanted to recommend that seniors not fly due to concerns about their increased vul nnerability. and the "washington post" says squandered time, how the trump administration lost control of the coronavirus crisis. and the "new york times" has this he h headline, utter confusion at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, debate raged over what to tell the public. this is a sharp contrast with state officials who have been taking the most aggressive steps on clamping down on the virus including andrew cuomo who declared a state of emergency. and warned people right here on msnbc not to trust what the president and his administration are saying, but to look to the facts and to follow public health officials advice instead.

washington, d.c. and virginia are now reporting their first cases. including a u.s. marine who had recently returned from overseas. and if italy one of the hardest hit countries, where 230 people have already died of coronavirus, 16 million people in the more than region of that country are under quarantine. the equivalent of quarantining the entire population of new york city, los angeles and chicago. joining me now from london is richard engel, chief foreign correspondent, he has a special report tonight which you should watch on the coronavirus outbreak. and richard, we know now that the number of cases world wide has noud toppw topped 100,000. is there any sense of whether this is still bridgely emerging out of china or has europe really become now the epicenter of where these cases are located? >> i've been speaking to

virologists and experts, again, i spoke to one just a few minutes ago, frankly speak, those numbers don't mean very much. those numbers, the 100,000 or so, are only the cases that have been found so far. and it is all about testing. not much testing has been going on around the world. and four countries primarily where the ones where we know that there are the big outbreaks, wran,italy, china and south korea. but most other countries are not looking. there are some cases reported in egypt for example, but they are not conducting testing on a mass scale. so we have no idea of knowing if the nudge put out by w.h.o. of 100,000 cases more or less is comprehensive, if it is

accurate. it is the accurate information that they have, but we don't know how big the pool is. watch what is handing in italy right now. i think italy could be a sign of what is to come. they have quarantined a third of the country because they have started putting out more tests and they wanted to get a more comprehensive picture what have they were dealing with. and their response was to seal off most of central and northern italy. >> that is terrifying. but let's talk -- i'm glad you mentioned the w.h.o. we know of 446 cases in the united states, 19 deaths so far. and that is based on states reporting out their own cases. and you mentioned the w.h.o. do you have any reporting on why it is that the united states did not utilize the same testing regime that you are talking about, the w.h.o. regime. it doesn't feel like we did that and we could have done it or am

i wrong about that? >> no, there is a lot that goes into that question. some of it goes to the cdc with the desire by the cdc to use its own tests. there are commercially available tests, there is a company that has an office in the u.s., also has an office in germany, that makes a xwler shcommercially vi already used in some african companies, but because of the old traditions of the cdc, it has been insisting on coming up with a domestically produced test. one could say it is more reliable, one could say that is a good standard to practice, but the cdc has been struggling to come up with an a accurate test. there have been a number of missteps that it has been encountering as it has been on the road to doing that. so the testing issue is a serious one.

there are commercially viable tests. but the cdc has its own strategy which you could look back and say that is the right proich or you could say when in a crisis mode, maybe the cdc should take the one that is already known and known to work. it is one that works is a three part test and if all three test results that you take come up hot, then you have the covid-19. and as far as i understand talking to experts, it is a highly accurate test that has been used in certain african countries before it has been used in the states because of the cdc guidelines. >> wow. it is a roll licking crisis. richard engel, doing best reporting on it pchb i recommendle following him on twitter and watching your report tonight. thank you so much for your time this morning. joining me now is robinson meyer, one of the reporters of a report in the atlantic which

breaks down state by state how many people have been tested. it is important to know how many people have been taesed otherwitested otherwise you can't know who has it. and i want to read from your report. you write, the atlantic could only verify that 1895 people have been tested in the united states. about 10% have tested positive. and while the american capacity to test for the coronavirus has ramped up significantly over the past few days, local officials can still test only several thousand people a day. not tense of thousands of thou hundreds of thousands indicated by the white house' promises. we heard richard engel say the once testing began in earnest in italy, they wound up quarantining basically a quarter of their population. you can put in context for us the significance of the fact that we're just not testing very many people in the u.s.? >> thank you for having me by the way.

what we know is that the case of community transmission of coronavirus in the united states was ten days ago, last wednesday, two wednesdaysing a go. >> and just to pause you, community transmission means what? >> means that the virus has circulated among americans who did not travel abroad and who did not have any contact with someone who travels abroad. so people are walking into the hospital or a doctor's office obviously sick with covid-19 with no known contact with anyone else who has had it. so that means that it is circulating and we don't know how many people have it. so we had our first case two wednesdays ago. nine days, right. so within seven days of south korea having identified their first case of community transmission, they had tested about more than 10,000. they were testing 10,000 people a day. and they had tested overall more than 66,000 people.

at this point based on my partner and my reporting, we think that the u.s. at the ecnd of the kay fridday friday had t over 2800 people. so fewer than south korea was testing per day within a week of discovery community transmission. so that is how far behind the u.s. is lagging on this challenge. >> and the issue is in new york, you now somewhere a state of emergency, you did have a person who was an uber -- shared a ride stlsh driver w /driver who has tested positive emergency, you did have a person who was an uber -- shared a ride /driver who has tested positive. so people are worried. but if you are not testing enough people, is the risk there that you just don't know how many people have it, period, so that you could have unknown risks, people still going to work, people still going to the mall, that kind of thing? >> exactly. until we know the outbreak,

political leaders don't have what they need to advise for instance adults from leaving the house if they have certain conditions. you know, for instance right now we think the largest outbreak is in seattle and we think this for two reason, first they somewhere the most positive cases. and the second that there is a genetic study which found that based on mutations in the virus, it has been circulating there for some time. like that strain is not related to anywhere else in the world. but there is also nearly the most tested in washington i think the second -- they tested the second most there of any state and there is no other public version of that genetic mutation test. so we think that the biggest wroug outbreak is in seattle. but that is based on two pieces of information that we don't have from many other states. >> and i want you to listen to dr. fauci, the top scientist that the administration is

using. take a listen. >> we really are accelerating dramatically. early on there were missteps with regard to the tests and some technical aspects to it, but right now i believe 1.1 mill beyond tests have already been sent out. by monday there will be an additional 400,000.en sent out. by monday there will be an additional 400,000. by the end of the week 4 million. there is testing by an individual physician who wants to know 23 the person if the pe infected. that physician has the responsibility of asking for the test and getting it. and then there is another aspect to do surveillance in the country to determine if there are under the radar screened a nufl individuals. both of those things will be going on. >> it is shocking to have to ask this about dr. fauci, but do you believe who he just said? >> i would say that dr. fauci is one of the most trusted voices in the government and is

receiving more information than me. he said that millions of -- 1.5 million tests have gone out. there is a difference between the tests obviously going out and be able to deliver results. and i'd say that right now certainly the u.s., fda, have said that it has cleared the restrictions on who can get tested. what we have heard is in hospitals, in doctors offices, it is not always possible for doctors who want to get them tested to secure a test. and that is -- that is because the fda's warnings or messages have to circle through multiple grounds of government. >> robinson meyer, thank you very much. i recommend everyone read your piece. and coming up, this is not the first time that the government has down played the dangers of a rapidly spreads virus. that is next. rus. that is next ♪

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over the last long period of time, the flu, the common flu, you know this, right? from 27,000 to 70,000 people get infected. and many people die. nobody knew that. i didn't know that. three, four weeks ago he go, i said what do we lose with the regular flooud a flu and then 27,000 minimum, one year up to 100,000. nobody told me that. nobody knows that. >> no, people do know that. as bizarre and potentially injurious to public health as donald trump's statements have been, it actually is well-known that the flu can be fatal. people do know that. trump's depos e's dismiss sfrni novel. the h1n1 virus that likely came from birds and was erroneously nicknamed the spanish flu killed

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and joining me now a presidential historian and author of president of war. great to talk with you. so i want to read a little bit of this -- a piece from the "washington post." it says donald trump is ignoring lesso lessons. he did says in philadelphia, local officials consider planning the largest parade in the city's history back in 1918. just before the scheduled event, returning soldiers started spreading the virus. the parade was held and 48 hours later spanish flu slammed the city. citiesed officials claimed no cause for alarm and eventually over 12,000 residents died. and this desire by the wilson administration to squash panic resulted in people being killed. they will still do cpac and

rally, it feels familiar. >> and woodrow wilson is probably 9 grethe great negative example of how a president should manage a pandemic. people got sick in kansas and wilson was told by his medical people don't ship them to europe because this pandemic will spread. wilson said it is much more important to proceed with the war effort. he was worried that the government would become unpopular. and the result was that they were put on ships and in very close quarters. they were later called coffin ships because they were so close together that the disease spread, a lot of people died. got to europe. the illness spread through europe. and there wasn't much known about it and the reason it was called the spanish flu was baud spain was a neutral country and reported on cases as some of these other countries did not and so it took on this misnomer of spanish flu. but wilson was just a terrible

manager of this. i mean, for instance there was a nursing shortage because a lot of the nurses were working on soldiers who were at the front and there were many trained african-american nurses available that were not called on. >> and there is even a story in the smithsonian about just as you are talking about the soldiers then come back to kansas and spread it in kansas because they wouldn't tell people this idea of not reporting because you don't want the numbers to be high, that is something that wilson did and that donald trump is doing now. the idea of trying to keep the numbers falsely slow is in itself poor management because we just don't know how far it is spreading. i think that is what scares a lot of people. >> that is it. and wilson was recommended by his advisers, the medical one, to say there should be quarn te dwarn teen, wilson said no quarantines. they said give a speech and tell americans who is going on so

that they can prepare and protect themselves. wilson said no, it is more time, i think that that would be bad for morale. and he even said in private it is a bad thing that so many people are dying of influenza, but maybe it wihasten the end o world are war and save a few lives glp l lives. >> let me play donald trump his of wilson. >> we have it totally under control. we think that it will have a very good ending for us. so that i can assure you. it will disappear one day, it is like a me miracle. i think the 3.4% is a false number pup it will all work out. everybody has to be calm. >> came out of nowhere, but we're taking care of it. you have to be calm. it will go away. >> donald trump doesn't listen to historian, bullpen he does watch tv. so if he happens to be hate

watching this morning, ifhe doe watch tv. so if he happens to be hate watching this morning, if speak about how this goes when you pretend that a crisis is not a crisis. >> the wilson example and many others subject that the result will be that the crisis gets much sevrved deserved to know what they could do to protect themselves. world war i, 675,000 died in this influenza pandemic. and that was what was at stake. and i would also say it turns out that the president's grandfather in 1918 is thought to have died from the flu. >> and i'm seeing more and more anecdotal evidence of donald trump because he has this absolute hold on his strongest supporters, they believe

everything he says and nothing that you would say or that i would say, that in and of itself feels like a darng. that his hold on his people endangers both his people, his true believers, and everyone they come in contact with. >> if he is getting out 23 information that is not trud or withholding information that you should as woodrow wilson did. because the real lesson for every president, be transparent. get as much information out as possible. and this is the way that you at least curb this pandemic as much as possible. >> michael, thank you so much. great to talk to you this morning. >> same here. thank you. and still to come, former soda jerk and current u.s. senator ron johnson fires up the old burisma machine. a machine. i'm alphonso, and there's more to me than hiv.

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the exact same scheme that led to trump's impeachment. so essentially senate republicans are pick up where their dear leader couldn't get it done. joining me now, michaelaul and michael, let's first talk about mr. shokin, the "washington post" writes that shokin who was the prosecutor in ukraine was fired in this theory that he wanted to protect hunter biden. and it was not directed by ben d i biden, but prompted by a push for anti-corruption reforms and coordinated with the international monetary fund. and guess who signed a bipartisan litcomplet letter ca reform, and you can get, ron johnson signed it. so ron johnson himself wanted shokin fired.

you were in the obama administration. were there any republicans who stood up, ron johnson or other, who objected to getting rid of this prosecutor at the time? >> not to my knowledge. because mr. shokin was the opposite of investigating corruption including burisma by the way. he was not investigating burisma at the time. and i want to underscore something, nobody in the obama administration ran their own cowboy operation running their own foreign policy. we had a different way of doing things. we sat in the white house situation room, we teed up decisions for the president, for the national security council, and then we had different people implement those policies. and in this case that was the vice president. in other words, this was a policy of the obama administration, it was a policy of the european union and the imf. we all agree that had shokin had to go. it had nothing to do with vice

president biden and his son's economic interests. >> was there ever a freelance person connected to either president obama or to the vice president who ever on their own went to ukraine to conduct any kind of foreign policy the way rudy giuliani did? >> again, not my knowledge. i shouldn't laugh. of course there are all kinds of political entrepreneurs involved. when i was the ambassador in russia, be for instance, people would come and say i speak on behalf of so and so. so maybe there were. but generally speaking, they had no impact on our policy toward ukraine. and this is just deeply disappointing to me as somebody who studies democracy and who used to be in the democracy promoting business. back in the early '90s when we would go to other countries to promote the rule of law. one of the things we always said, you can't use the rule of law for politicpolitical purpos. and that is what is going on here. by the way, a chairman of a different committee, why is homeland security having

anything to do with this. using that office to in my mind selectively look at, you know, illegal behavior by an american. that is just wrong on so many levels. and i hope that the american people will see through this time. it reminds me of the clinton email hoax. here we are again and it is 2020 with another one. >> and to that very point, f fionfiona hi hill, is she a respected person s she. >> she is to me. i've known her 30 years. >> and this is her november 2019 testimony regarding what burisma means when people talk about it in regard to the bidens. take a listen. >> gordon sondland was basically saying look, we have a deal here that there will be a meeting, i have a deal here with chief of staff mulvaney, there will be a meeting if the ukranians open up or announce these investigations into 2016 and burisma.

and i cut it off immediately there because by this point having heard mr. giuliani over and over again on the television and all of the issues that he was asserting, by this point it was clear that burisma was code for the bidens. >> would it be ucnfair to surmie that ron johnson, people like lindsey graham who called hunter biden fair game and said that they will go after him, that they are attempts do what donald trump was unable to get the ukranian go. do, turn the government into the investigative arm to take down the family of his political opponent? >> absolutely. i mean, that is the tragedy of this whole situation. that is what is going to happen. and i want to just remind everybody watching, you know, nobody was talking about burisma in 2017, 2018. president trump was presidejanu

2017, 19 ['], '19. so why is it reappearing again? because now he looks like he might be the democratic nominee. this is obviously for political purposes, it has nothing to do with the rule of law. and i think people need to be vigilant here. this is disinformation. no evidence has ever been brought about that the vice president had anything do with any yinl behavior in ukraine. and yet they will repeat this mantra time and time again to make that association. and it reminds me exactly of what happened with clinton and emails in 2016. we later learned there was no criminal activity there. but we learned it after the election of 2016. that is a dangerous precedent that has been set before. i hope we're smarter this time around. >> and mitt romney has said that he thinks that it appears to be political. let's see if we have time to play it. let's play mitt romney. >> are you concerned about the appearance? >> no question but that the

appearance of look 34g to burisma and hunter biden appears political. and i think people are tired of these kind of political investigations. we all have a lot of work do so matters that are not related to burisma. we should focus on those things. >> what does it mean if the one senator who seemed to have the guts to stand up to this has backed down and said he won't stand in the way of the subpoenas going forward? >> yeah, i was disappointed in because he was signaling that he might block that subpoena. must have been a lot of pressure on him. but i want to underscore that he said that they have other things to do. he is exactly right. what about focusing on paid sick leave right now. what about taking care and helping us during this time of crisis. that is what they should be focused on. not chasing this conspiracy theory that has no facts to back it up. >> ambassador, thank you very much. appreciate you being here this morning. >> thank you. stick around, more "a.m.

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with great enthusiasm want to endorse joe biden for the president of the united states. i believe in him. i have known him for a long time. one of the things we need right now is a leader who really deuce care about the people and can unify the people. i believe joanne e can do that. >> joe biden won a big endorse m from kamala harris. harris joins the joeing list of former 2020 candidates who are rallying around the former president. just minutes after kamala harris endorsed joe biden by twitter, bernie sanders announced he'll be endorsed by jes se jackson. these endorsements come less than 48 hours when voters in 6 states will cast ballots on the democratic primary. the biggest prize on tuesday

will be michigan with 125 delegates at stake. sanders is focusing his fire power in michigan including a speech on flint on saturday. the last second sanders scrapped those plans and deliver part of his stump peach instead. joining me campaign manager for the sanders campaign. thank you for joining me. >> hi, joy. >> let's start with michigan. sanders is behind with black voters. he didn't fix that in flint. the guest speakers were flown into flint by the campaign decided before the event that would be better for them to discuss the issues affecting the community than the man running for president to represent them. according to "the new york times" it was a decision by the

campaign to let your black surrogates to do the talking. here was the other thing that was notable was the crowd. it was very much predominantly white. this is a city of flint that's a very black city. similar to the crowd in detroit. how do you assess why it is that it has been so difficult for senator sanders to really grow his support with black voters. i mean he just got jesse jackson's endorsement this morning. why do you think it is such a struggle? >> the lack of effort for trying, we are working hard at it. we got to that event last night, we had wonderful activists who's been living the fight in flint. and quite frankly senator is

like these are the voices that i have to lift up. i had a panel conversation with them and have them tell the story and use the presidential campaign to lift them up and for him to ask them questions quite frankly so the media can hear them. that was the decision of the campaign. going forward we are competiing for african-american votes. the endorsement of jesse jackson means a lot for our campaign. we got work to do joy and we can talk about why we think we are struggling with african-american votes. to some degree there is an age dispari disparity. i think more comfortable of safe history voices and that's when you look at al gore and hillary clinton. they have earned a lot of support. sometimes safe democratic choice appeals to older voters. >> just knowing black voters having worked in a couple of

campaigns, this is a country that's not safe for african-americans ever. i think for a lot of voters there is a sense of what campaign israel sti realistic a win. >> with that said joy, that israel stick. it is all subjective. i would say it is deemed to be conventional wisdom safe politically. when i say those three candidates, you think of al gore and hillary clinton, they won the primary, guess what happened in the general election? they lost. from our perspective when you are offering this kind of bold and vicious agenda transformational chain, it is fighting uphill. it works politically and that we are in the process of doing that and we are working hard on that. >> it is interesting to have reverend jackson to support senator bernie sanders' campaign. he was the first person that i

voted for. what was exciting of his campaign was not the first president but his agenda and his agenda if you go through it was similar to what senator sanders is running on. it is counter intuitive to me because the people who would have been -- >> jesse jackson did lose. >> wait a minute, let me ask my question. i know we have an audio thing. what i know is the black people who are of age voting for jesse jackson or people my age or older were attracted to that agenda at that time. jesse jackson rocrowded in the south. changed the democratic way. the reason we have optional voting is because of him because he had so many delegates and he came so close to get a

nomination including winning in michig michigan. this is something we are living now is something closer to what he wanted in terms of the voting. it is not true that black voters opposed todd th that kind of ag. there must be something going on >> they're for barack obama as well, right? >> yes. >> one of our challenges here is you are running against joe biden. you have bernie sanders, a candidate who's offering a transformational agenda. you are talking about medicare for all and public colleges and universities, you are looking on taking on climate change in an ambitious and aggressive way. i think we are trying to convince them it is not only good policies but good politics. and transform a broken justice system where you band profit and

division center. it can be done. for some people well, can it be done? i think that's the job of our campaign to show not only real estate policy wise but realistically. >> whether or not one of the challenges for sanders is while on issues, they're actually white economic anxiety among white working class voters. the people who feel that are sanders supporters and not trump supporters. he's awaken in a lot of white working class voters of a sense of urgency because they are struggling economics. that's what you saw in that room in flint and in detroit. for african-american voters, i am wondering if part of the challenge for the center is he's been more conventional politician, more of a conventional politician when it comes to voting for the crime bill. that was poimportant for him toe strong for crime.

he was that in the '90s. if you look during this week "michigan advance," he voted against the funding of the water crisis. he had his reasons for doing it. some issues that black voters look at in his votes, he had not been that conventional. do you think that's part of the challenge? >> let's talk about the multi-racial collection that he's billing. young african-americans and asian americans and muslim community is very strong for sanders. it is very diverse. i think it is important to say that. i think we do have this fight in an effort to make clear that when he's fighting for $15 an hour minimum wage, disney and seven states across the country to raise it to $15. that's huge for the african-american community. that's disproportionately impacted by low minimum wages. can we do a better job of making

it clear? the fight is a racial justice fight. medicare for all, who do thank you thi think is going to be benefited the most? to talk about that, we'll do a better job of it, it is important for people to understand that this agenda works best and benefits the african-american community. >> is there a reason why he did not give that speech? >> well, it was his decision and i think it is understandable. i have talented voices and i have jennifer anniston who lived this and know the issue. i think i understand why he thinks and i can give you a sense of his values of who is bernie sanders and how does he

h operate and how does he think? >> historic figure in terms of being a black mayor, he was sort of left hanging. >> mayor bloomberg came out to detroit and delivered a wonderful introduction for bernie sanders. sometimes you have to make decisions where your resource is, he's only one person and can only be a few places and michigan as you noted, you got to win it in the general election in order to win it in the presidency, we are making it clear with our investment. >> i don't want to run out of time with you. does senator sanders looking back of regret of voting for the crime bill. joe biden wrote the crime bill and he voted for it. >> let's be honest about that.

joe biden wrote the bill. as he wrote the bill he made it difficult for people like bernie sanders to vote against it. why did he make it difficult? because he included the violence or women's act in there and assault well upon ban and things that bernie sanders supported and promised to support. he makes a bunch of democrats try to choose one side or the other and bernie sanders said okay, you know these are the things that i promise my constituents that i will support. violence of the women's act. >> is it fair to criticize joe biden for writing the same bill? he voted for it and he had justification for it. >> they're even on it. >> who do you put the responsibility on? >> it would not be law. wait a minute, there was a lot of criticism of hillary clinton

just married to the guy that was president. bernie sanders voted for that exact same bill. he caveat why it was okay to vote for then i don't see w why -- why is it okay to put it on the floor? >> if he voted against it. why did he support the ban? >> i get it. all i am saying is when you are the leader crafting that bill, he was making it very -- >> he made it very good. >> the fundamental bill, you don't like the fundamental bill of what id dit he did to the african-american was not positive. we have been fighting this fight. in general and if we can separated those issues out and said violence against women's act. >> it is a complicated argument.

let me move onto one of the quick things, i know your ear piece is giving you a lot of trouble. elizabeth warren who had this great interview by rachel maddow, this was a part where you and i talked about it before. i want to play elizabeth warren talked about the overall support of this campaign. >> i want to say this for all candidates back when there is a lot of us. we are not responsible for the people who claimed to be our supporters and do really threatening dangerous things to others. >> particularly it is a rick yo ridiculous problem with sanders. >> have you talked to sanders about that? >> i have. i think it is more of a problem. >> it is a point where you and i were talking about it and it is

one thing. when one of the other major candidates are talking about it and is something that struck her and it was important enough for her to bring up and elaborate on. are you concerned looking back on it that perhaps the atmosphere that was created by some and not all, sanders supporters online, not only by supporters of other candidates or other supporters, that may end up being the thing that keeps someone like elizabeth warren from endorsing senator sanders, if it turns out to be the case, looking back could the campaign have done something different in terms of calling on supporters to treat people differently in general and social media and etc. >> i am leveling you on this. i can find a number of instances of 12 to 15 of this campaign working very hard to say these

comments online are not reflective of the values of our movement and bernie sanders. we believe people can treat each other with respect and decency. as we engage in this conversation. it is a two-way street. our attack online all the time for their advocacy for bernie sanders. the online place, we have a lot of supporters, right? you have a bunch of supporters and you have millions of people donating in campaigns and there will be some tiny segments who is despicable. we can't allow a tiny minority to define the huge number of people who advocate for bernie sanders in respectful and decent way. >> i mean the reality is if saying sort of saying it is not true and sort of saying it does

not happen, it is a big gas lighting, right? people are experiencing this. it is not something that's not true. it is happening. >> you are not seeing our campaign to say that's not true. it is just saying the small kind of angriest and despicable elements that we distance ourselves and condemn them. you saw on the debate, bernie sanders saying if there are people that are attacking union leaders, that's not what i support. i will not endorse that. what else do you ask a candidate to do. from my perspective, here we have these debates about twitter trolls when the planet is bu burning and we have coronavirus spreading. let's focus on the giant issues of our time and not get too distracted here about twitter trolls. >> and also in nevada, it was phone calls and e-mails to

people who were working with that union in nevada so it is not just on twitter. i just want to clarify that. >> i want to be clear from our campaign perspective that does not reflect the movement and our campaign and we tried very hard and behind the scene with our union. bernie sanders on the debate stage, we condemn that. we are always playing on defense their and trying to defend ourselves. it is not fair from our perspective. >> i can say and people know that i nu-uh before because you called me joy anne. you are one of the most decent and nicest people i met on politics. >> thank you for being here. >> we'll get a better ear piece for you next time. thank you. >> i am going to bring in my panel, latasha brown and our

national political director, thank you all for being here and listening and listening in on this. it is true. he's really a good guy, the thing that's so interesting about the sanders campaign is that the thing they are arguing for is true, right? we live in a country in the super rich have got so much money and resources and taken so much from ordinary people that even what you used to be sort of white privilege can't cover it anymore for a lot of working class people. people are pissed off to the point where you have people talking about revolution. that was the real reason of the sandse sanders movement. i do kind of contrast with the jesse jackson movement because i remember it from junior high and

high school being a joyest version of that same thing. there was something about it that had a joyfulness to it. is that the dichotomy? outside somehow it has not gotten through? >> i think that's interesting because the first campaign that i volunteered on was for jesse jackson, it is something about building inclusive movement that you can see yourself in. we all agree in theory is vision for the country exactly what black americans want to see. >> yes. >> the question is the road to 2020, can you sensor a campaign that i can see myself in and activate in. i think that's what jesse jackson, his whole movement into his '88 campaign did, i think i was 16 or 17 at the time, i need to get on that.

i was an intern sitting at siu in hartford, connecticut. how do you do that so you can engage me but also my grandmother. >> it is interesting latasha and having that endorsement of jesse jackson is important. senator sanders endorsed jesse jackson in 1988. i know he endorsed his presidential campaign and the things they are fighting for. if you look at their lineups and things they want are similar. the racial justice of it is not as overt. i wonder do you have an understanding and explanation as to why it has not caught on more with black voters? >> i think there is a number of

things. three things come into mind. when you think of jesse jackson, you think of the word "hope," what we hear in the sanders campaign, we hear this vision even when i was talking to people about kind of his vision around healthcare, it is almost in some way focus don't know what it means. i had one family members talking about their challenge around voting for bernie sanders, they did not know. it was the expansion of medicaid for all. i have been on medicaid, i was on medicare as a younger person and i did not have a good experience. now does that mean that my engagement has been different? the second thing i think that's really important is really around politics, that's relational so part of what i think biden has been able to do is people feel for whatever reason, they feel a sense of connecti connectiveness and they know

him. their folks are -- some of the folks i have been talking on the ground they don't feel the warmth orr connectivity. i think it is important that black voters before they want to get married, they want to be courted. one of the weaknesses in the campaign is you are not seeing a courtship from the bernie sanders campaign for black women or black voters. he didn't go to mississippi and did not show up for the sunday's march. i think another element around that, his nuance around how people connect to the candidate. that's a critical mistake that white liberals make thinking that they got a good progressive agenda and that in itself is enough. while agenda is one thing and others feel connected and you

center and you can see them within the contact that you are pushing. >> maria, not going to selma was a data point, obviously he was not there because everyone else was there. so not going to selma added onto not really being that president in south carolina. it is additive. he's doing better with latin voters than black voters. do you have an understanding why that may be? >> it is an interesting question, joy, i am excited to be apart of this discussion because i know this panel i iis is -- we are not going to have a discussion of brown and black voters. bernie sanders saw that he made serious investments in 2016 that

was incredible popular among latinos. they look at that and built on it. if you look at nevada and california and texas, there were gains made of latinos. that's one of the places you see gains made. vice president biden did not have a ton of infrastructure in some of these states where he's becoming more competitive and it goes back to that conversation we are having around coalition building and who are these leaders you have been investing in overtime? those folks are coming out now and endorsing vice president, if you look in arizona, they approached vice president biden. that sort of network of people

is helping him quite a bit. >> it is interesting rachel and you know we talked to the former campaign man for core y booker. it does seem that what biden has been able to do is assemble much of the obama coalition. that's the thing that he's doing that is helping him, the data to bear it out. >> yeah, ultimately when we look at the autopsy for the sanders and 2020 campaign and the diagnoses is going to be this campaign came in with a robust advantage in the community. they have the front runner status and tested with warren in the invisible crime area in the fall. that was a short lived challenge. what they really needed to have

done four years in between the runs was start to figure out how to expand that base of support out towards the party's mainstream. to some extent they did start to do that with latino voters and difference is the center of gravity is a younger electorate among black voters. it is an older electorate and socialism label is a huge. it is something that warren would not have if she ended up being the front runner, right? bernie sanders is the imperfect messenger for the policy prescriptions that he's trying to advance because it makes it hard to bring in that mainstream coalition because people especially in this environment where they want to beat donald trump and you know putting radical policies up is one thing or bold policies some may say. it is quite another to say to the elector, we want you to run.

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. >> do you think he'll make another exuberant decision? >> right now the task before us is to make sure people in michigan, it is flint. there has been so much of this current administration of donald trump that's making people feeling small. joe can do this to remind people

that we you are not alone and we are all in this together. >> the producer spoke to kamala harris right there in selma moments ago and she redistricted the focus back to her endorsement joe biden and not for any vp speculation. our panelist is back was. let's put up the delegate map. michigan is the big hall that's available. any predictions for us as to how next tuesday is going to shape out? >> this nomination is really in bad shape for senate sanor sand. it is probably going to fall into biden's favor without fears of the contested convention that we are looking at. >> wow. >> that's definitive.

maria ubina, what in your mind would have to happen for biden if he were to get through and we don't know what's going to happen. rachel is good and we'll go with what she says. what would biden have to do to bring over the activist really active part of bernie sanders' base. >> certainly a contest between the two of them. if biden is still the nominee, he has a lot of work to do to listen in the grass roots community. folks want to know he cares about bringing the party together. vice president biden should have just as much as responsibility the senior folks asked to have. in order to do that, there has to be more digging and listening. we love for vice president to fill out our individual

questionnaire which we have not been able to get a response by him. >> he should do that. is there one issue out of the things bernie sanders advocated that biden should consider a policy of his. >> all of these progressive policies can be enacted including the reform. >> that's a good one. latasha brown. one of the things of selma of voting rights, we don't have an act left. i am wondering how you think that whines up impacting where there is several seats up in the south. can the democratic party compete in the south? is it realistic? should they be spending money in the southern states? what are theyour thoughts? >> we should be serving every senate seat in the south and

critical seats in georgia and holding onto seats in alabama. when there was an investment and black voters who were unactivated, that's what happened. the same thing in georgia. there is a real possible in georgia. i think it is critical for us not to focus on the election. we got to focus on the senate seat. there has to be investment in the region and south. even when we look at texas, there is some real possibility and texas as well. this is an election for us not to marginalize the power of black voters and how we can invest and get some of these senate seats. >> absolutely. i am writing down as you are talking. south carolina and mississippi and georgia has two. >> alabama to preserve that seat. >> absolutely. >> doug jones is one of the good guys. he's a civil right lawyer is worth keeping based on his

record. let me come to you on the table glynda carr. and so i wonder if joe biden strength and he's being powered by that very vote, the vote that you concern yourself with day-to-day, does it whine up being enough if biden can't somehow bring in the sanders sequel? >> i think if democrats want to win in november, black women are the building blocks of that foundation, the strength of the foundation we still need to view the rest of the house. that only strengthening the relationship of african-american economics, background and geographic and age. if he's not able to create some excitement. we are voting because this is an important political movement.

are we going to activate our network? does he have to put a black woman on the ticket? we want to see a black woman as a vp. overwhelmingly african-american women want top see a black man in a white house. >> i don't want top talk about people's age but happy birthday. i found out a little secret and it happens to be your birthday. >> it is international women's day. both candidates need to be seriously looking at it. >> look at glynda using her own birthday to celebrate international women's day. >> can't stop won't is to be. thank you all very much, you guys are graeeat.

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the establishment for the great deal of pressure on pete buttigieg on amy klobachar who ran aggressive campaigns, both of them, they worked really hard. right before super tuesday, they announced their withdraws. we are taking on not only the entire political establishment

but the corporate establishment as well. >> just last sunday, bernie sanders passed the democratic nomination nearly inevitable. jo joining me now is david korn and david jolly, and our congressman who's no longer affiliated with the party, tiffany cross, founder of "the beat" in d.c. here is sanders ahead of trade. >> trade relation with china forcing american workers to compete with people making pennies and ours resulted in 150,000 jobs here in michigan. 4 million jobs in our country. i work with the unions, not with

the ceos or large corporations. joe biden strongly supported these agreements. >> david korn, i wonder if there is one way of thinking about it that he got to attack biden? it is a one-on-one contest. on the other hand there is some sort of erroring oreporting outt people are exhausted and just wants someone seen presidential. your reporting is in which direction? people don't want to see arguing and fighting. going back to bernie sanders's first point. he's trying to put forward this notion that there is a democratic accomplishment that forced the results of super tuesday. i got to say reporting here in d.c., there is no democratic nostalgia. i think a lot of democrats wish they were. they really don't and bernie

sande sanders's attack on biden on trade, argue of positions, biden will argue back that he supported the bail out to help saving michigan in many ways and bernie sanders was not that debate. stay away the paranoia stuff that'll suppress voters, should biden be the nominee down the road. >> let's play bernie sanders addressing this issue that won't go away for him about the internet attackers and here he's talking about it on "meet the press." >> i am concerned of the kind of ugliness that exists on twitter and on the internet. we have some people claim to be

supporters and having a hard time thinking they can support me. i got to tell you something, take a look at the stuff that's coming into our campaign. talk to some of the african-american women who are in my campaign and about the racist sexist crap they had to deal with. it is a racist world out there. >> the social media world is getting uglier and nastier for women of jewish or muslim people. it did not work to a certain extent to the trump's side. how do you thisnk it whine up impacting sander ss impacting sander sanders? >> it is going to be there. the behavior we see online and

unfortunate behavior and misinformation campaigns and the efforts to discredit candidates campaign like russian influence. this is a perfect example of how we do it. i commend bernie sanders for saying the right thing in that moment. i will be honest with you of this democratic primary, this is a conversation that i don't see it because i am not in the trenches within the democratic primary. let's hear candidates talk about the policies. this is a sweeping week for joe biden but there is a long way to go. i think there is a head and head match between bernie sanders and joe biden. forget about the online behavior, the real policy differences between these two candidates are going to be a challenge for democrats to ultimately coalesce around when they do have the nominee in july. >> bernie sanders is doing a town hall on fox news tomorrow night. tiffany cross, if there is one

way to look at it that he can double down on the base that he had. the other way that he has to grow. how does this -- what do you make of the town hall on fox, is that a good idea and how do you think it will whine up shaping up for him? >> the optimistcs don't look go for him. he's fresh out of time to reach out to reach black voters and he skipped mississippi and michigan. everybody who watches him is not on earth, too. those are not going to be the people that carry him over to the finish line. you have to tap in the democratic base. i think he failed and again coming on the hill of his supporters that these are low information voters who carried him over in south carolina. he's tauting this conspiracy of

the accomplishment that helped joe biden. i think with black voters, it looks like he's prioritizing over economic. when you wonder why you are not doing better with the base of this party, this is an answer and i don't know how many questions fox news is going ask him about nerenergizing the bas. >> it is fwoigoing to be interesting. >> my panel will be sticking around. up next we'll make it a lot more fun. you do also need fun. we are going to tell you who won the week. more "a.m. joy" after the break. more "a.m. joy" after the break. do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging?

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back with me, david and david and tiffany. who won the week? >> i'm going to beat you this week. because my who won the week is lucio delgato. he migrated to this country when he was 16. blind since birth. he lives 70 miles south of chicago in one of the poorest areas of the state. he was denied citizenship because they did not provide him a reading test in braille. he aced the civics part. many americans can't do that. he aced that part. when it was time to take the reading test, they didn't offer it to him. we can give you something in large print. i don't know what that would do for a blind person. his lawyer was able to get him a date to get a new taste with the braille reading portion. for immigrants, disabled people, this is a win.

i just think it's an amazing testament of how we have to force change in america. i hope he has a successful next round and cheers to him and all the immigrants who make this country a great place. >> that is a good one. the for free part, emphasize, i underline that. let's go to david jolly. i don't know how you beat that. >> here, i got you. someone worthy of the trumpets and music when you enelectintro segment. a man who waited over six hours to vote on super tuesday and said it was my duty to do so. it's the power of a single voter we saw in the 2018 elections, that we saw super tuesday. it's in an indictment of today's election system of the supreme court in 2013 when they kneecaped the voting rights

acts. and texas, georgia, florida, who engage in voter suppression, he said you will not suppress my vote. my voice is going to be heard. he is heert rthe hero of the we >> amen. this is getting harder. >> take that, tiffany. >> david has to follow both of you. god help you, david. who won the week? >> those are very good. my pick is a judge. not a lowly citizen who did good but a high citizen who did good as well. judge reggie walter in washington, d.c. buzzfeed sued to get and un-redacted version of the mueller report, which we still haven't seen, remarkably. the judge said -- who is a george w. bush appointee, by the way -- that william barr was not credible when he said that the mueller report basically let

trump off free. in a scathing filing, he said that barr tried to spin and influence the public's acceptance of the report before it was released. so here you have a judge coming in and saying that the trump administration is not playing fair with the truth, is not telling the public what's really up and that's really important, why, because we have the same thing happening now with the coronavirus. >> indeed. >> judge, thank you for calling out william barr. >> absolutely. these are good choices. mine is not as high brow but it was fun. let me show you my who won the week person. we have been talking about jessie jackson today. these were young women at the time who were fighting for jesse jackson to try to make him president of the united states. they went on to be luminaries in the democratic party. donna brazil had an encounter

with the head of the republican national committee. here it is talking about the party. >> it's leading toer ing toward brokered convention which will be rigged against bernie if the super delegates have their way. >> to that you say what? >> go to hell. this is not about -- go to hell. i'm tired of it. we are not trying to prevent anyone from becoming the nominee. if you have the delegates and win, you will win. >> for defending your party in the most blunt terms, donna brazile, you win the week. thank you all very much. much.ot smoking cold turkey. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix,

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that is our show for today. thanks so much for watching. back in the studio together. >> isn't that awesome? can i split hairs with regard to who won the week? i totally noticed judge walton. a bush appointee. but i had forgotten about donna brazile. good for you for bringing that up. >> i love reggie walton. there are judges that aren't the president's judge. when they get there, it's about the law. that is a wonderful thing. >> the point being that this one was appointed by a republican president. all of it is good. >> they all won the week.

it's a tie. >> you won this sunday. have a good one. a good day to you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. so much to tell you about, the coronavirus outbreak this hour. there's new information about testing, a big change ahead for people on board a cruise ship and new concern about how bad this could get. >> we're seeing community spread. it's our responsibility to protect the vulnerable. i mean right now, not wait until things get worse. >> what the outbreak could mean for your money. a big picture view from a former obama economic adviser. major endorsements for the 2020 candidates and a big push for african-american voters. who is saying i do with two days before mini super tuesday. >> i am, with great enthusiasm, going to endorse joe biden. >> i