we have run to the top of the hour. we're all out of time. joshua johnson is with us. buckle up. it's been that kind of a sunday. >> yes, i've been watching, including your hours. there's a lot to talk about. thanks very much. we'll do our best. glad to be with you from msnbc headquarters in new york. today is all about presidential politics and protecting the public. first up, coronavirus. more than 107,000 cases have

been confirmed worldwide, most in china, with thousands of new cases in italy, iran and south korea. meanwhile mixed messages from the white house on the risks to the american population as more states declare states of emergency. new reporting points to a deep rift among some in the administration on what to tell us in the public. vooipt vice president joe biden and bernie sanders are campaigning in michigan and mississippi. six states will hold the next round of primary contests. we will check in with both campaigns. and with less than 48 hours to go until the primaries, we will consider what to watch for with 352 delegates up for grabs. glad to be with you. let's begin with coronavirus, spread across the country and the cautious advice from health officials. the united states could hit 500 cases before the day is out, including at least 19 deaths. at least ten states have made some sort of emergency

declaration. more than 100,000 people are known to have been infected around the world. more than 60,000 have made a full recovery. doctors here in the u.s. say the number of cases is bound to increase. here's what one of the government's top disease experts told chuck todd today on "meet the press." >> are you more optimistic today than last week? >> depends on what you mean. now that we have tests out and get a better handle, but clearly i'm concerned about community spread. you have to be concerned about community spread. >> overseas italy has taken the extraordinary step of looking down its northern provinces. that essentially puts 16 million people under self-quarantine. it is so strict that funerals for the victims are banned. nbc's shannon pettypiece joins us. we want to play one more clip. this is of dr. anthony fouci who we just heard from "meet the press." he said something this morning on fox news that contrasts what

the president said last night. let's listen. >> could you see a situation, you know, a lot of talk about seattle and what's going on there, where a city or state or region is shut down, and you basically just say, for in the case of italy, it's april thererd, nobody in or out? >> i think what you need to do on realty basis, that's the reason we evaluate it literally every single day, you don't want to alarm people. but given the spread we've seen anything is possible. >> are you saying the virus is getting closer to the white house? >> i'm not concerned at all. no, we've done a great job. >> sounds like the messages are somewhat mixed shannon, but how concerned is the administration about this if at all? >> they are absolutely mixed. there is an increasing concern among white house officials about this contrast in messaging. for example the president also was asked last night at that same event whether he would consider postponing or canceling

any of his political rallies which can draw upwards of 15,000 people. he said no, he wasn't concerned about that and went on to compliment his administration's handling of this. but then of course another comment that tony fouci made earlier today was telling elderly and medically vulnerable people was to avoid group gatherings, traveling, cruise ships. and we heard caution to be prepared and for the situation to get worse. it is something that is concerning administration officials. they acknowledge there's nothing they can do to change the president's messaging, so many cases we've seen conflicting accounts coming out of this white house, the president feels he is his own spokesperson, communications adviser. >> "the new york times" put out a piece today that speaks to some of that disconnect between what the federal public health officials and the president and top esh lonz in the

administration is saying. the administration's response has repeatedly matched public health experts against a hesitant white house where worry of panic dominates. it says, even as the government scientists and leading health experts raced the alarm early, they faced resistance and doubt at the white house, especially from the president, about spooking financial markets and inciting panic. that's part of the reporting to "the new york times." we saw the president tweet earlier today that the failing "new york times" will be out of business in a few years and blamed the fake news for being the enemy of the american people. was there any other spoens besides that? >> well, i mean, he tweeted this morning as well, saying that it was the quote, fake news media that was trying to make us look bad, and then complimented himself on his administration's response. our reporting indicates that there is a lot of frustration within the administration about how they have been preparing the

public for the worst-case scenario and steps they have been cautioning people to take. i will note, i talked to one communications adviser outside the white house earlier this week who said the administration can be taking an approach where they overplay to some extent the risk, because then when the worst case scenario doesn't happen they can take credit for having prejt prevented that from happening. that is not where they are going. he is trying to downplay this and minimize. >> to that tweet the president sent about an hour ago, he referred to "the new york times" as an embarrassment to journalism and said fake news is the enemy of the people. thank you, shannon, that's shanon pettypiece. passengers aboard the stranded cruise ship in san francisco bay. the grand princess is set to dock in locland. it's a large port that does not typically take cruise ships. >> point one, guests who require

acute medical treatment and hospitalization will be transported to health care facilities in california. point two, if guests don't require acute medical care following health screenings, those who are california residents will go to a federally operated isolation facility within california for testing and isolation. >> at least 21 passengers have confirmed cases of coronavirus. crews will take them to hospitals and holding facilities when they come ashore. let's get to scott cohen who joins us from oakland. i know that's not the way people wanted their cruises to end. the ship came up on the morning talk shows today, particularly the risk they could pose from the community spread, the spread for people who don't have ties to china. here's a little more of anthony fouci on "meet the press."

underlying condition and particularly an elderly person, you need to think twice about getting on a plain on a long trip. not only think twice, just don't get on a cruise ship. >> that can't be good news for princess cruise line owned by carnival. have we heard any reaction from princess or carnival? >> not to that per se. but was there a meeting yesterday between representatives of the cruise industry and vice president pence, talking about new sorts of protocol, kinds of screening. everybody seems to recognize that they can't continue to have the type of logistical situation that's going to unfold over the next few days here in oakland. consider you've got 3500 people on this ship, 2400 passengers, 1100 crew members. we're learning more about what is going to happen to them over the next several days. people from california will be sent to travis air force base in

the north north, miramar in the south. they will be quarantined, undergo testing. people will go to lackland in texas or donins in georgia. and the state department is working with the foreign nationals, about 50 countries represented on this cruise, to get them repatriated to where they are. remember that the president had initially said he didn't want to let the people off the ship because of what it would do to the numbers. dr. fouci and the other health professionals have reasoned that that is not the way to go. they're looking at the situation aboard the diamond princess in japan where everyone was quarantined and ultimately seven people died. they know they have to get these people into treatment, get them tested approximate tested. all of them will be.the 19 passengers and two crew members will be a priority. >> that's nbc scott cohen in oakland. thanks. politics, we're two days from the next round of primaries that could make the democratic

field. again, remember with when we had dozens of candidates, super tuesday left us with three, joe biden, bernie sanders, and tulsi gabbard. the next debate is a week from today. based on the criteria it is extremely unlikely that gabbard will qualify. bernie sanders is rallying in michigan with the support of jessy jackson. he's back in the south with a new endorsement from kamala harris. and then in the last hour here on msnbc, we learned of another big backer for the former vice president. >> we at brady are very proud to endorse joe biden as the next president of the united states. we know joe very well. we've had a 30-year history with joe biden. >> that was the president of brady, the organization formerly known as the brady campaign to prevent gun violence.

bernie sanders also received an endorsement. just the last few minutes one was announced. let's get the latest starting with mike memoli in tuba lu mississippi where joe biden will hold an event with vivica fox. how is the campaign with these new endorsements? >> reporter: well, since the super tuesday surprise victories for joe biden, he were expecting bernie sanders to come out as the leader with joe biden's goal to keep him from building an insurmountable lead. joe biden finds himself the leader now. he's looking to build on that advantage. of all the contests on the ballots tuesday he's focused on three states. yesterday you saw him with two events in missouri. today doing a pair in mississippi. and on his way to michigan tomorrow. he was introduced this morning sunday in the south, he was at

church, by congressman benny thompson, introduced him as the comeback kid. he said to the extent his campaign has shown a bounceback from the depths after iowa and new hampshire it is because of african-american voters. michigan is the biggest delegate prize tuesday. but for the biden campaign it's about showing their continued strength with african-american voters. it's possible based on 2016 that joe biden could win more delegates and take a further lead because of mississippi and running up a lopsided victory here than whatever we expect to be a close margin in michigan. that's why we see joe biden joined by actress vivica fox. he's also joined by another who dropped out. the focus on kamala harris joining him on the campaign trail in michigan. in addition to that endorsement. i'll send it up to garrett haake

who's on the campaign trail. >> reporter: bernie sanders has been just about all in on michigan. he was back and forth between the great lake state and chicago yesterday. today it's michigan. he's got alexandria ocasio-cortez rallying with him in michigan and an arbor. that should be huge. but the endorsement they're talking about in sanders world today is reverend jesse jackson. he's been struggling and getting the first african-american candidate to run a serious presidential campaign who oh by the way, won in michigan back in 1988 when the state was a caucus state, is something they're proud of. he talked efusively on taj. reverend jackson was here. one name we didn't hear was joe

biden. it was a departure from yesterday where he went after his record on the iraq war and trade. today he was more circumspect, not going after biden but talking about the issues he shares in common with the reverend jackson. i'll be curious to see if this is broader topic shift or just for this rally. can sanders turn around his fortunes more broadly starting in michigan, the state he needs the most and one of the few places where he's really in the mix i should say to pick up a win on tuesday. he campaigned heavily in washington state earlier. that's a state significant with early mail in votes. we'll be watching michigan close tuesday. >> i hear you in terms of strategy shifts. before i let i go, how is coronavirus plague into the campaigns, both with policy messaging and with holding

rallies. mike, you first? >> reporter: well, we just got a great example of that. just in the last half hour joe biden in between church and the rally he's about to hold her at tugalo college, stopped in for lunch. he ordered spaghetti marinara and rub perrule on his hands. there's no one who enjoys more of the retail politics than joe biden, shaking hands, taking selfies, giving hugs. i asked him about that this last week. how much is this going to affect? he said we're taking the advice from the oh perts. we've seen a forum between bernie sanders and joe biden canceled because of fears. >> garret? >> yeah, josh, for a campaign who depends so much on mega rallies, no significant change. i'm looking out in the crowd, a lot more handsantizing stations.

sanders when he mentions it, mentions it as another example of this administration's income tones and general anti-science posture. he says one of the radical ideas is he wants to bring science into how the government responds to that. it seems to be a pretty good applause line for him. >> gentlemen, thank you both. much more to discuss. coming up, we'll dig into president trump's messaging, from coronavirus to the campaign trail. what he says often differs from what his administration says. why the discrepancies? and how do we know who to believe? plus it's one of the top issues, the perennial curse of long, long lines. we will see why they're so long in some places and what's being done to move them along. gh to qt smoking cold turkey. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first

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coronavirus is a big source of criticism for the president, as he mouns his re-election

campaign. according to "the washington post," the administration's efforts has been undermined by mixed messages, contradictions and falsehoods, many of them emanating from the president himself. now, this morning dr. anthony fouci was asked about those inconsistencies. >> there have also been contradictions about when and how many people can get tested. take a look at that. >> anybody that needs a test, they're there, they have the tests, and the tests are beautiful. anybody that needs a test gets a test. >> we don't have enough tests today to meet what we anticipate will be the demand going forward. >> can anybody who needs a test get a test now? >> the fact is the tests are out there. there was a misstep early on with regard to the test, a technical difficulty. but right now about 1.1 million

tests are out there now. they'll be an additional about 640,000 on let's say monday. >> joining us now is philippe reinus, co-host of unredacted and a former spokesman for hillary clinton. also with us shermichael singleton. gentlemen, thank you for being with us and helping me break the tie requirements for television. i'm glad we are doing no-tie sunday. thank you thank you thank you. but phillipe, let me start with you. i'm not sure if all of this inconsistency has any effect at all on the trump administration practically. we are used to having to parse the words of the president extremely carefully if not disregard them. does this have any effect on the president, this mixed messaging? >> i think it does in the sense that when donald trump says something it reverb rates across the hdstration.

i think people have learned if you're in the bureaucracy or if you're a political appointee, take his tweets as an indication of where he is. i don't think someone in the department of heath is going to say, oerkts, coronavirus doesn't exist because donald trump says it doesn't. but they might not take things as seriously. and we're seeing that in these reporting that the white house snuffed out the requests and really the protocol of the cdc and others to warn seniors against flying. so it absolutely has a chilling effect. and look, at the bottom line is, no one knows who tony fouci is. yes, people know who vice president pence is. i didn't know the name of the surgeon general until i saw it. no one is going to say donald trump says there are enough tests but the others aren't. all that matters is what donald trump says both to the public and internally.

>> shermichael, what's your idea of how this speaks to prooenld republicans, republican lawmakers and boosters of the president? i doubt this is going to cost him any votes in november? >> i don't think it will either. i think from a national security aspect, not sending accurate and correct information leaves people vulnerable. it also causes people not to trust the administration. because they're not certain what is true and what isn't true. and in the clips you show, several different individuals for the most part all saying very different things from, we're working on getting enough tests to we started off incorrectly but we'll have a million in a week, so i think the way that this has been handled by the administration is risk averse. if this does turn into a pandemic, i think it will leave a lot of people vulnerable because we have not heard a plan on how we're going to move

forward. how are interagency conversations going on between h.u.d., transportation so we know that public transportation continues to go on, hhs and its abilities to target and speak to states and local municipalities. those are things that the public needs to know. the administration has not done a great job of articulating that. >> shermichael, what does it take to actually affect public opinion, support, votes for president trump? heaven forbid this becomes a full pandemic. but if the access hollywood tape could not cost him the presidency, i'm not sure what it is that makes people in his own party say, actually this is not okay. >> that's a great question. i think if the economy, if we continue to see the stock markets decrease, then i think you'll have republicans hand

republican voters become more concerned. that seems to be their biggest priority more than anything else thus far with this president. if you look at the markets over the past two weeks now, it is indicative that if we don't get a grip on this thing, you will continue to ski the economy impacted. i do believe you'll see consumer confidence decrease because people won't spend as much because they'll be staying at home or trying to save if they have to take off work or be concerned about spending a lot of money to take care of themselves or an elderly family member. those are the dynamics i would argue republicans will be watching. let me say, it should be more than just the economy, joshua. these are very, very serious matters. in times of emergencies, we need leaders to step up and lead with precision. that's not what we're seeing from the president. >> but phillipe, how do democrats capitalize on this? i feel like there is so much for them to talk about on the campaign trail, and i don't know

many of them not sure they want him re-elected. is there any real tangible, political hey for democrats to make? or is this just one more thing? >> let me state mandatory, this is not something you make political hey out of, blah-blah blah. the point to make is how incompetent he is and not doing what's best for the public. what's happening now is coming over three years. he has basically overwhelmed every organization and every party, whether it's the media, whether it is the government, courts, to check him on truth. what he has met is the ultimate fact-checker, the global markets. they have looked at what etion saying and have said two things. one, we don't believe you. and two we don't believe you because we haven't for three years. but for what we haven't believed you for three years it doesn't really make a difference to us. but now that our money is on the line we do have a problem.

if you're a democratic candidate or specifically the nominee, you're not going to run around saying coronavirus is going to ruin your 401(k). but you are going to say this is the most severe test since he took office of the well-being and safety of the 325 million americans that he is responsible for keeping secure, and he is failing misably. >> i'm sorry. it feels like this is the most severe test since the last, which is iran in january. this feels like a drumbeat. >> iran is theoretical. not to diminish we put american forces in harmsway. when you are worried about getting sick and having to quarantine yourself or not send your kid to school, when it's about you and your own health, that is the most severe test we've taken. to foreign policy wonkz like me and shermichael and the other think tankers, yeah, of course north korea having a nuclear

weapon on a missile is existential. america knows the world ebola. now know coronavirus and are worried about contracting it. that is the most serious test he has faced. he is failing. >> philippe, and shermichael singleton, gentlemen, thank you for helping me enforce the new full suits on sunday. >> we coordinate in the makeup room. >> we did. >> ume sure there's a basket with cutup ties. thank you both very much much appreciated. a florida woman faces charges after admitting she filed documents to switch voters' party affiliations without their knowledge. sheryl a. hall worked for florida first, who works for president trump. had he uncovered 119 falsified documents. at least six of them enrolled

democratic and independents as republicans. they charged her with false voter information. that nearly never happens to most voters, even in my home state of florida. but waiting in long lines does. especially in my home state of florida. how long will it take for this tuesday's democratic primaries? six states will cast ballots one week after super tuesday, propel joe biden in the lead, and you can be sure no one wants to go through from voters in california to texas went through, waiting as long as six hours. >> sitting out here for five hours. >> this must be what voter suppression looks like. >> there are 352 delegates up for grabs on tuesday. we're expecting huge voter turnout and a strong fight against long lines and systemic voter suppression. joining us now, tom hicks, chairman of the election

commission, that helps enforce federal voting laws. welcome to the program. >> thank you. >> how do we address long lines with regard to the general election? there is federal law, but elections are managed locally. how do you fill the gap? >> so i think there are a number of different things that need to be addressed here. one, i'm glad that there are a lot of people who are going out to cast their ballots and we are going to see record turnout between now and november and in november. a couple of things anticipation of going to the polls, one, check your voter registration. make sure it's up to date. two, serve as a poll worker. we need over a million each presidential year. we have a shoerchl out there. and three, if your state allows for it, vote early. so cast your ballot ahead of time. or if you can, use an absentee

ballot. that cuts down on lines as well. in november we're expecting between 140 and 45 million people to cast their ballots for president. if you try to get that number of people out within 12 hours, you're going to have long lines. what we're seeing is that what you should do is you can go out for the states that allow it, cast your ballot early, and serve as a poll worker. >> it's also worth noting, if you are in line when the polls close, correct me if i'm wrong, if you are in line when the polls close, stay in line. you are entitled to vote. is that right? >> under the 2002 help america vote act, the provision was added to say if you are in line before they close you are allowed to cast your ballot. yes. >> how does coronavirus affect this? it's interesting we're going through this at a time where people are congregating in lines or in rooms holding caucuses. and then we're dealing with the

public health risks of people congregating. how do we deal with that from a public health and a voter access standpoint? >> i think of election workers and others to be preparing for all sorts of disasters that may occur. so coronavirus i believe that the election workers are working together to come up with solutions for this. one of the things that the eac is doing is that we are working with the cdc and our voting machine manufacturers to come up with solutions to ensure that the machines that people use to cast their votes if they decide to go in on election day are as least likely to cause harm as possible. > and if somebody is at a are unusually long, the poll workers don't seem to know what they're doing, what would you recommend? >> serve as a poll worker, one, that's ahead of time. two, talk to the election

official that's there. if you see something that you don't think is right, talk to the election workers that are there. >> tom hicks is with the u.s. election assistance commission, thank you for reminding us of our rights. >> thank you. still to come, the search for a coronavirus vaccine is underway. but the u.s. was close to creating a vaccine years ago. why didn't it happen then? and how close are we now? e are'e there! maybe over here? oven mitts! oven mitts! everything's stuck in the drawers! i'm sorry! oh, jeez. hi. kelly clarkson. try wayfair! oh, ok. it's going to help you, with all of... this! yeah, here you go. thank you! oh, i like that one! [ laugh ] that's a lot of storage! perfect. you're welcome! i love it. how did you do all this? wayfair! speaking of dinner, what're we eating, guys?

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we are monitoring the latest cases of coronavirus. so far 19 people are died across the u.s. the number of positive cases could reach 500 by the end of today. that comes as demand grows for a vac senior, but that will take awhile. joining me now dr. peter hotez. he's dean of the national school of tropical medicine at the baylor college of medicine. glad to have you with us. >> thanks for getting all that in. i appreciate it. nice to be here.

>> you were on a coronavirus vaccine team years ago before this. how close did we get to a vaccine then and why didn't we get it? >> the team is still together. we have been -- what we do at baylor college of medicine texas children's is we have a very exciting center at the school that develops the vaccines no one else will make because they produce little to no financial return. part of that is a coronavirus vaccine program that began in 2011. we developed and manufactured a recome binnant protein virus vaccine for sars one that emerged out of southern china. we had it made in collaboration with walter reed research. rare that that is one of the premier vaccine places in the country. we can never get funding to advance it beyond funding into that into clinical trials beyond attempts. when this evidence came out a

few weeks ago for coming out of vineu china, that this new virus, sars two, was about 80% similar, we realized we may have a sars vaccine that we could repurpose for this particular virus. now we're scrambling to get it into clinical trials. the plroblem is this. it takes time, despite what you hear from the anti-vaccine lobby. they're not tested for safety. the exact opposite is true. they're the most tested we have tore safety. it takes time. it's hard to compress those timelines. we're looking, you heard the numbers before, a year, two years, to go through clinical trials to make sure it's safe and effective. the tragedy, had we been able to attract the financing back in 2016 we could have had something ready to go. we're moving forward, other groups are. i'm not confident we'll have a vaccine in time for this

epidemic, maybe the next one to follow, for stockpiling. that is the nature of vaccines. >> i hate it say it but it sounds like you weren't able to get that finished because it wasn't lucrative enough, it wouldn't have made money for the farm sooukt companies to invest in it. but they have invested in certain other flu treatments. what's our best bet for creating coronavirus now with the tools we have? >> that's a good point. vaccines are the highest bar there is in terms of safety and time it takes. anti-viral drugs for treating sick people is still complicated but not as. i'm optimistic we'll have data on self different anti-viral drugs coming out and maybe we'll have a drug in time for this epidemic. that's potentially good. it's not as great as a vaccine to prevent it in the first place. the other big technology we need

is rapid diagnostic. we're hearing about these test kits. we're going to see a big increase in the number of cases being reported. that will be a problem. we still need a rapid test that a doctor or nurse practicer could use at the time of the patient encounter to get a rapid answer like a rapid flu test. that's going to be a ways away. >> the market is there for it now, especially with new cases in riverside county, california, and the first case in connecticut we just learned of. thank you very much. >> thanks. coming up, one of the six states holding a primary on tuesday. missouri has 68 delegates. what issues are resonating most with its voters. a vatran political reporter shares what she's been learning. stay with us. stay with us wherever we want to go, autosave your way there with chase. chase. make more of what's yours.

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this tuesday, voters in six states could either propel joe biden closer to the nomination or shift bernie sanders back to being the front-runner again. let's focus on missouri. 68 delegates are up for grabs there. joining us with a preview, joe man news, political reporter. welcome. >> thanks for asking me. >> you've been covering missouri politics for decades. that's why we asked you. what are you hearing from voters? same issues driving missouri voters to the polls as are everyone else or some unique to missouri? >> i think a big one, and this is true in many states, is health care. rural missouri in particular has

seen a lot of rural hospitals close in the last few years. we are among the states that did not expand medicaid, but it's threatening to be a ballot issue. before voters in nevada. so health care, which has been a roiling issue in missouri for several years has become i think a bigger one. also the coronavirus, which had been just something we were watching, yesterday they announced the first case in missouri which is in the st. luis area. i think it's starting to frequent out people. when i went to the grocery store last night it was empty. some of the issues, but the two big ones right now are health care and the coronavirus, and for democrats it's finding somebody who can help the state's democratic party rebuild, they're in really weak -- a weak position. and they're hoping that somebody like the right candidate at the

top can help the democrats alter their fortunes in the state. >> who is doing the best job of convincing missouri voters they're the right candidate? joe biden was there, sanders will be, who seems to be getting the turnout and winning voters over? >> well, sanders had not been here before for several years, so i'm interested to see what sort of crowd he gets. in 2016 he was here several times and i covered him. and he did ignite big crowds. biden had pretty decent crowds yesterday in st. louis and kansas city and has most of the democratics with him. a number of major players past and present were with biden. with sanders, it's going to be some local older people, some local people who are progressives who have lower offices in the st. louis area joining him. i'm particularly interested in

this. i was talking to election officials on friday before closing, and one of the things that intrigued me was, we had record primary turnout in 2016. they have not been predicting that this time because there's no contest on the republican side. the president has a lock on his republican delegates. but what they're seeing among the absenteeism so far is that it's on par with 2016, which anecdotally tells them there's a lot of activity on the democratic side. they won't know until they open the absentee ballots on tuesday, but that's the speculation, there's more democratic interest than they had expected. >> joe manniss, thanks very much. >> well, thanks for asking me. when we continue we'll have more on coronavirus. when we come back it's already having an impact on sports, college and professional. how might the games go on without compromising the fan experience? that is next. mising the fan experience that is next atoid arthritis.

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executives there say they're considering reducing the number of host venues for the men's and women's tournaments. they might also hold games with only essential staff present. let's discuss it with sports editor at "the nation." dave, welcome. >> hey, great to be here. >> now, we should be clear, holding sporting events without fans is not unheard of. italy has already done it. some soccer stadiums have had to do it with hooliganism in the stands. lebron james ain't really digging this idea. >> nope. >> he was kind of succinct when asked whether or not he was going to play in an empty arena and his answer was, i ain't playing. now, i don't think the nba is playing either. if they say, mr. james, no, you need to show up because it's your job, you better clock in in time for jump ball. but what does this actually mean for the players in terms of their ability to play well and put on a good game? >> well, for players, i mean, fan interaction is everything. already we're seeing it affected

at spring training. major league baseball players are foregoing the annual right of spring for signing autographs for fans who reach up and put their ball or program to be signed. one of the nba directives is no more high-fives to fans going in and out of the arena. the fist bump is a far more effective mechanism of germ control. so for the nba player, the olympic athlete. we could be seeing some serious incursions on fan involvement there. what it is is the distortion of the dream. it's the distortion of what you've spent your whole life working towards. now we're going to see in a mass way what this looks like without fans. as you said, we have seen this before in baltimore after the freddie gray uprising, you had an entire baltimore orioles game in front of an empty stadium. that in and of itself sparked all kinds of writing and commentary about the sheer difference between having fan interaction and having nobody there. in a lot of ways playing in front of a ghostown becomes symbolic of the times we are

living in. >> in addition to that, with the nba games, the arnold sports classic in columbus, ohio, cancelled this weekend. so many small vendors. i've gotten emails from vendors i've supported in the past that said because the arnold is cancelled, i could go out of business because i plan all year for this. to be able to go and meet your favorite athlete and shake their hands and take a picture, especially the arnold classic. it is a gigantic deal. what does the future outlook, look like particularly for the fandom of fans dealing with the coronavirus? >> i think it's grim because everybody is preparing for an italian future. and as you said, what's happening in italy is empty stands, less interaction. you've already seen in the united states in the nhl, they're already restricting reporters' access to the locker room. so for the fan even getting the story about what's happening is going to be very distorted compared to what we are used to in months and years' past. >> dave zirin of "the nation." thanks very much for talking to

us. >> thank you. >> much more to come in our next hour. the latest numbers in the fight with the coronavirus. how are officials fighting the outbreak with more states under a state of emergency? that is ahead when the news continues on msnbc.

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