that does it for us. "morning joe" starts right now. it is being contained. do you not think it is being contained? >> there are at least 546 cases. the virus is now in 34 states and the district of columbia. the death toll is 22. >> it is being contained. >> 100 countries are now reporting countries. >> it is being contained. >> the demand on health care providers is surging. >> it is being contained. >> we'll see a complete overwhelming of the entire medical system. >> it is being contained. >> there is no vaccine, and a delay getting those test kits. >> it is being contained. >> we don't want to alarm people, but given the spread we've seen, anything is possible. >> it is being contained. and do you not think it is being contained? >> well, if the white house can't be trusted, at least we have public servants in congress. like florida's matt gates who, for example, had so much fun mocking the coronavirus outbreak by wearing a gas mask on capitol

hill. just days before, a resident in his home district died of coronavirus. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, march 9th. with us, white house reporter for the "associated press," jonathan lemire. host of politics nation and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. president of the council on foreign relations and author of the forthcoming book, "the world, a brief interjection," richard haas. editor at the "financial times," edward joins us this morning. we have fast-moving developments with the coronavirus. the number of cases are surging here in the u.s. from 230 cases on friday to at least 546 cases this morning. the virus is now in 34 states and the district of columbia, which reported its first case this week end. the death roll toll is 22. anxiety has hit congress.

senator ted cruz and congressman paul gore have self-quarantined after coming in contact with someone who tested positive at cpac, the popular south by southwest festival, which brings millions, hundreds of millions -- >> $400 million. >> -- into the local economy in austin texas. it's been canceled. one of the world's top tennis tournaments in indian wells in southern california has also been canceled. columbia university has canceled classes for today and tomorrow. rice university in texas has canceled classes all week due to the spreading coronavirus. the historic christ church of georgetown canceled sunday service for the first time since the 19th century after its rector tested positive for the virus. and then the markets. wall street is poised for another blood bath. dow futures pointing to a more 1,200 point plunge, as a perfect storm hits the financial sector.

fear over the coronavirus and a war over oil prices. now, health experts say the virus is at a point of rapid acceleration here in the u.s. despite those claims from the president's top political appointees that the virus is contained. >> i will still argue to you that this is contained. it can't be airtight. >> it is being contained. and do you not think it is being contained? >> under way here in the united states, there is a large outbreak in seattle. that's the one withe know about. probably santa klacollar clara, cities. we have to implement broad mitigation strategies. >> we're in a mitigation phase. we're helping cities understand, you're going to see more cases. unfortunately, you're going to see more deaths. >> so, jonathan lemire, obviously, you had the surgeon general there talking about

we're past the point of containment. despite what kellyanne conway said, mocking a cbs reporter on friday saying, are you a doctor or lawyer? why are you not telling the truth? actually, the reporter was right. kellyanne conway, arrogant, boastful, and lying at the same time. that's a nice trifecta. what we saw this weekend, the numbers have exploded. stanford university canceled classes. rice university, columbia. all of those we're talking about. we've obviously got the cruise ship with over 3,000 people. they have absolutely no plan for what to do with that. again, the test kits, we're finding out more and more that the tests, the way the trump administration has handled this, it's been disastrous. you started to see yesterday that conservatives that had been mocking this outbreak, conservatives who thought that, somehow, a virus could be pushed

aside as readily as the rule of law or political norms are suddenly scared. the white house officials, also, jonathan -- and i want you to talk about this -- the white house officials now are telling reporters they are concerned. i'm sure they're telling you they are concerned that the president's messaging and the president's attitude is wildly out of touch with the reality. they're concerned they can't get him to message this correctly. even last night, you saw that he was tweeting conspiracy theories. >> we've seemed to have reached a tipping point this week about the virus, in terms of the spread. the realization that no longer the efforts to stop it entering the country were successful but, rather, it is about mitigating those who are already here. the numbers are expected to really go up in the days ahead. you're right. conservatives mocked this previously, including the

congressman who now self-quarantined. a few weeks ago, was suggesting this was an obama media plot to conspiracy theory. we saw ted cruz say he will remain isolated, kwaquarantinedr a week or so, because he believes he came into contact with an individual at cpac, a conservative conference, who was affected. there are other high-profile republicans and conservatives who were at the conference and may take similar measures. in terms of the president of the united states, you were right. last week, there was an effort to try to get messaging on the same page. they put the vice president in front of this. he started giving daily briefings with health e pexpert. not all of the information was as accurate as it could have been. the cdc numbers don't line up in terms of reported cases with what the states are saying, what the european agency is saying. but there was an effort among the white house to try to get behind this with one voice. the president can't concede the spotlight. he himself on friday at the cdc delivered a scatter shot, haphazard performance that

alarmed the markets, public, and members of his own party, saying test kits were available for anyone who wanted them. it's not true. he admitted the cruise ship off the coast of california, he wanted it to stay there. if the people came to the united states, they'd add to the tally. he was putting statistics over the patients receiving adequate health care. he compared the availability and accuracy of the test kit, saying they were as perfect as his call with the euukraine leader. the call that got him impeached. there's suggestions from the white house. they can't control him in terms of messaging, but they're worried, joe, that this is a president who is far more concerned about his political future and trying to downplay the threat here. by doing so, may be underselling what americans are facing and putting them in danger. >> not actually -- not maybe underselling. he has been underselling from the very beginning. said we had 15 cases.

they were all going away. talked about how this magically was going to disappear. talked about, at one point, hey, in a rally, hey, nobody in the united states has died by this. the media is pushing this up into a hoax. coverage is a hoax of this, how dangerous it is. then as we're looking at the pictures from friday, the president goes wearing a campaign hat. he says he wants to keep a cruise line where people are basically imprisoned on a cruise ship, and of 3,000 people, only 42, 43 tests. half of the people tested positive. those people are trapped, and the president says he wants to keep them out of the united states and offshore because if they come on shore, that will only raise the number of americans who have to be reported with coronavirus. yes, he says these kits that are non-existent are perfect. and then also lied, as he always does. this time, we actually did some

reporting this weekend on this particular lie, which we'll show you in a minute. the president said that if you want a kit, you can get a kit. if you want a test, you can have a test. everybody can have a test. that they're available. well, they're not even available in washington, d.c. >> it's just not the case. >> and it seems all these lies are doing are lining up more concerns for americans. the stock market, i mean, we're looking at a black monday. i'm sure if it goes the way it seems, a lot of people in the markets will be calling this black monday. >> yeah, or something worse. i mean, it is worth empathize -- emphasizing here, the president, whenever he comments about coronavirus, has to try to sustain confidence in the markets. what we have now is the biggest coordinated decline in global

asset prices since 2008, with financial prices, since 1991 with oil prices. that is the result of the president's confidence talking, attempts to talk up the markets. i think whenever he opens his mouth now, the danger is the markets are going to plunge more steeply. if you think about his first real intervention, the day he -- less than two weeks ago, he appointed mike pence for the coronavirus. he said, we have only 15 cases, real cases in america, and they're going down to zero. they're going down to zero. as he spoke, there was a new case found in washington state. we're now up to several hundred. if there were full testing kits available, and a proper sort of map of this, the estimates that i'm hearing from specialists, from epidemiologists, is it is more than 20,000 cases across

the u.s. every time the president opens his mouth, interrupting his health secretary to say, there are tests, they're beautiful, perfect, available, clearly untrue. every time the president intervenes like this, the markets lose confidence that anybody is in charge of this ship. so i think today, black homonda whatever we call it in terms of the blood bath in the markets, i think of today really as day one of the general election. this is when trump's first real crisis, first genuine crisis, and it is more than a crisis, hits everyone's radar screens in america. how he performs from now on will be critical. >> mika, we want, as we said, as i said when barack obama was president, i mean, it is critical that the president of the united states succeeds. it is critical that every

president does their best to succeed. it is critical, especially at this time, that this president succeeds in getting his arms around this epidemic, which may soon turn into a pandemic. so what we've been saying for the past two weeks, every day, is that the president has to be realistic about the dangers that are facing americans. he needs to tell the truth. give the bad news now. >> yeah. >> because the more he engages in unrealistic, magical thinking, the more we're going to see the markets collapse and tumble. there is no confidence in what he says. >> none. >> last night, as the markets were melting down in asia and europe, the president was tweeting out conspiracy theories which, of course, this morning we see the results. we're 1300 down in the dow, the

implied open. and the president has done absolutely nothing to reassure markets, to reassure americans. >> it's becoming more and more obvious that we're not ready. after vice president mike pence on friday confirmed that 21 people aboard a "grand princess" cruise ship that is being held off the coast of california have tested positive for the coronavirus, the "los angeles times" reports the ship is expected to dock today at the port of oakland with all of the nearly 3,000 passengers set to be quarantined for 14 days at military installations, according to the department of health and human services. keep in mind, they tested 46 people. 21 of them have the virus. here is hud secretary ben carson yesterday. >> the vice president met with the ceos of the major cruise ship companies yesterday, and they are coming up with a plan within 72 hours of that meeting.

>> the ship is docking tomorrow. >> the plan will be in place by that time. but i don't want to preview the plan right now. >> shouldn't you be able to do that? >> i think it needs to all come from a solitary source. we shouldn't have 16 people saying what the plan is. >> okay. >> particularly when it hasn't been fully formulated. >> rev, the incompetence -- >> for the love of god. >> -- is mind-boggling. you have this cruise liner we've known about for some time. we knew last week that over 3,000 people were on the ship. they tested over 40 or 45. half of those people tested positive. that means over 3,000 people still not tested. that was last week. ben carson is saying -- he goes on -- and he is the administration spokesperson yesterday, and he is saying they have no plan. >> he is a doctor.

>> dr. ben carson, they have no plan. they might have a plan in 72 hours. he can't tell you anything about that plan. it's like donald trump saying on friday, i don't want that ship to dock because that will just mean that there are more reported numbers of the coronavirus. as if, somehow, those numbers being reported somewhere is going to change the reality. that's the thing, these people aren't in touch with the reality of the fact that the virus does not care about their stupid politici politicians. the virus does not care about their stupid stunts on the house floor. the virus does not care about their stupid denials or their attacks on the press or on democrats or on international health organizations. the virus is going to kill americans regardless of their stupidity. actually, because of their stupidity. i mean, help us out here, rev.

did you see anything this weekend that gave you a reason to hope? >> not at all. not from this administration. when you look at, very carefully, what secretary carson said, he said that they will have a plan in a few days. then when he is challenged, well, they're docking tomorrow, oh, that's right, they're docking tomorrow, but i'm not going to tell you what the plan is. because he just told you they didn't have a plan. we're playing games with people's lives. we are in danger. put the partisan politics aside for a moment and you or my disdain for the president. for the president to stand there with a campaign hat on and try to keep people at bay so he can play with the numbers for political reasons, while we're seeing people of all parties, all races, all economic backgrounds in jeopardy here, is as callous and immoral and sick as one can be. we're talking about something

that may not happen but that is happening. they're playing games with how it spins in some political back roomme room. i think that we are in a very serious place. if republicans and democrats cannot come together and call on this president to be honest and candid, we are going to be the ones that contribute to human life being lost. this is beyond the politics of the hour. >> and we were very critical around this set of president obama when we had the gulf oil spill. the president decided, instead of going down to the gulf coast and panama city where the oil spill was, i think it was 2011 or so, he decided to go home for the weekend in chicago for a long memorial day weekend. very critical of him for not going. >> it was about optics mostly. >> instead of going and responding. here, you have a president that

continues golfing, despite the fact he mocked barack obama endlessly for golfing, i think even during an ebola outbreak. mocked him constantly for golfing, and that's what the president did this weekend while world markets shuttered and americans lived in fear, wondering if they're next. here was a president on friday talking about the cruise ship where americans are basically imprisoned. the white house has absolutely no plans -- >> 3,000 people. >> -- to take care of them. over 3,000 americans. take a look. >> they would like to have the people come off. i'd rather have the people stay. i'd go with them. i told them to make the final decision. i like the numbers being where we are. i don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. as of the time i left the plane with you, we had 240 cases. i believe that's what was on a very fine network known as fox

news. you v lo i know you love it, but that's what i was watching. how was the show last night? did it get good ratings? i heard it broke all ratings records. that's what they told me. i like this stuff. you know, my uncle was a great person. he taught at mit for, i think, a record number of years. he was a great super genius. dr. john trump. i like this stuff. i really get it. people are surprised that i understand it. every one of these doctors said, how do you know so much about this? maybe i have a natural ability. maybe i should have done that instead of running for president. i told them not to be complim t complimentary of the governor because he is a snake. if we come up with a cure tomorrow, everything gone, you go up to this governor, who is not a good governor, and say, how did trump do, he'd say, he

did a terrible job. >> here we are again. the president goes to the center for disease control to try to calm americans' nerves. that's why presidents go there, let them know they're in charge. this president instead -- of course, wearing a campaign hat. no president -- i'm sorry. maybe it is not a big deal. maybe you think it is not a big deal. he divides america in half wen he wears the half. those of you rolling your eyes at me saying that, if barack obama went to the center of disease control and wore an obama/biden hat in 2012, you would have absolutely freaked out. so he wears a campaign hat. richard, he says, i like the numbers where they are, talking about the infections. he doesn't want the cruise ship to come on shore because that will increase the numbers. which means he'll actually have a better grasp of reality. he talks about fox news, asked

how his ratings were at a town hall meeting the night before. again, in the middle of this briefing. he talks about his mit uncle again, super genius. he says that all the doctors ask how he knows so much about this. none of the doctors ask that question. he is lying again. then he decides to choose the governor who has taken the greatest brunt of this, had the most americans die there, and decides to call him a, quote, snake. he also lies about the test kits, as we said before. if you want a test kit, you can have a test kit. says they are perfect, just like his call to the ukraine -- about ukraine. this is -- i don't have to even -- i don't -- this is what you -- this speaks for itself. he is unqualified and unfit to

be president of the united states. and unfit at one of the most dangerous times this country has seen in, well, i'll say it, since 9/11. we don't know where this heads, but we know it gets much, much worse with this president. >> you mentioned 9/11, joe. nearly 3,000 people lost their lives. we're in the early stages of a crisis where, i believe, orders of more magnitude of americans are in danger. put that on the table. we're at a point where the numbers are going to take over. the word you're going to hear by the hour now is acceleration. we are in the acceleration phase. we have an administration that's engaging in truly uninformed, sanguine, happy talk. we ought to be talking seriously about things like paid sick leave. less than nine states in this country provide for paid sick leave. we can't have a situation where sick people are going to work. we need a situation where we have these tests that are

accurate and available. we need to start discouraging large gatherings of american people. the kinds of things we're seeing around the world, this should be debated now. instead of denying the reality, you ought to be having serious conversations about sporting events, schools staying open. we need some leadership. that's where we are right now. >> richard, they're still debating whether to have coachella or not. i'm wondering what planet these organizers are on. south by southwest bit the bullet and ended up losing $300 million to $400 million. it is going to be devastating, but it would have been far more devastating if half of austin had the coronavirus. they're still debating whether to have coachella. >> what about college graduations? >> you look at all the colleges that are starting to shut down. >> people from all over the world coming. >> again, they're doing it being responsible. talk about what italy had to do. they've shut down a third of the

country. >> right. again, we're at a stage now where containment, trying to keep people from coming in with the virus, we're past that point. now what we have is transmission within society. how do you make a society where the virus has already entered and spread, how do you make it less vulnerable? testing is essential. keeping sick people at home, essential. keeping large groups from gathering. if you have a thousand people in a room, the odds that several of them do not have the virus is increasingly nil. that's what we're seeing every time we have a convention now. cpac, people are being exposed. we have to prevent these gatherings. italy is doing it on a dramatic scale. northern italy, you had a critical mass of people who would come in probably from china and expose the population. they're quarantining, what, 20 million people. if wasn't e want to avoid those siduation situations in this country in a

month, we have to take dramatic steps. what we're seeing is ostrich-like behavior out of the president and those around him. >> dr. fauci did say what's happening in italy, some form of that, could happen here in the u.s. if you speak to the experts, you get expert information. in terms of this presidency, you know, the perfect call to the president of ukraine, that damaged our national security. saying to george stephanopoulos he'd take dirt on a political rival, it damaged our political security and made us less safe. his weird relationship with russia damages our national security and makes us less safe. but americans, and i speak about trump supporters, they can't see that. it's not something that's tangible to them. this will be. this will be different. this is where this behavior ends for this president. let's not hope that it takes the lives of more and more americans. >> what we hope is, what we said

earlier, is that this president succeeds in getting outcrisis, more by the day. things are getting more dangerous. i must say, if you look at demographics, it actually gets more dangerous for all americans. but for those americans in their 60s and older, it is more dangerous. a lot of those people are trump supporters. donald, you can say whatever you want to say in the white house, but your supporters that are 60 and older are going to go to their doctors and doctors will say you're lie. they'll believe their doctors over you. you need to start telling the truth every day. you need to stop tweeting out conspiracy theories. you need to stop talking about your ratings. you need to start worrying about protecting people, especially people who are 60 and older. be they republicans or democrats or if they are not even political. your lies, your hopes that

cruise ships can cruise around forever and go in circles and not reach shore, well, first of all, it's cruel to the americans trapped objen the cruise ship, secondly, it doesn't change the reality that's happening right here in the united states of america. one final thing, mika, as we talk about being more careful, especially -- listen, dr. fauci, and your doctor, go to your doctor, they'll tell you, if you're 60 years or older, stay off planes if at all possible. >> do i don't tenot go on a cru anywhere with lots of people. >> stay out of crowds. be careful. don't go in close spaces, like richard says, where there are 1,000 or more people in the crowds. you know what, mika? what that brings us to is the fact that the three men who are most likely to be the next president of the united states are all in their 70s.

at least two of them are not in peak health. they have underlying conditions. the president, of course, is obese. he's not in good shape. you look at him, despite what -- >> you can see by the morbid obesity. that is clear. >> you can see the obesity. you can see by his diet that he is not healthy. he is not in good shape. bernie sanders had a heart attack. he has an underlying condition. we don't know about joe biden's cardiac health. we don't know. we know one thing, they're all in their 70s. none of them look to be in tip-top shape. and they're all, of all the people who are likely to have a severe reaction to coming in contact with a coronavirus, they're all right in the center of that bull's eye. so the question is this, mika, i mean, do they continue

campaigning? do they continue going around shaking hands? do they ignore the advice of dr. fauci? or do they start doing what ted cruz and others are doing and back off and actually start quarantining themselves? their doctors are going to have to answer that question in the next few days. still ahead, we'll read from the must-read opinion pages, including one that says the coronavirus is coming for trump's presidency. plus, we sent "morning joe's" chief medical correspondent to washington over the weekend for a firsthand look at the government's response to the outbreak. we'll show you that report next. also ahead, former presidential candidate pete buttigieg with one of his first interviews since exiting the white house race. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. how do you get skin happy 24/7? aveeno® with prebiotic oat. it hydrates and softens skin.

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the drastic lockdown sent thousands rushing for trains out of milan. 16 million people are quarantined, a quarter of italy's population. no one can leave or enter. hospitals are being overwhelmed by the virus, said the prime minister. it is an emergency. milan looked deserted. italy now the worst-hit country in the world. 133 new deaths in just one day. 366 now in all. more than 1,400 new infections. >> 133 deaths in one day in italy. >> that is nbc's bill neely last night in italy. the global fight against the coronavirus reached unprecedented levels over the weekend. with italy's government placing more than 16 million people, a quarter of their entire population, under lockdown. as more than 109,000 cases of the virus have been confirmed

across at least 104 countries. yet here in the u.s., the response has been dramatically slower. from all accounts, it doesn't have to be. in recent interview with the "new york times," dr. bruce, leader of the w.h.o. team that recently visited china, saw firsthand how china rapidly suppressed the coronavirus outbreak that had engulfed wuhan and was threatening the rest of the country. this past weekend, chinese officials reported only 99 new cases on saturday, down from around 2,000 per day just weeks earlier. a doctor notes china's counterattack can be replicated, but it'll require speed, money, imagination, and political courage. for countries that act quickly, containment is still possible. pau because we don't have a global pandemic, we have outbreaks occurring globally. "morning joe's" medical

correspondent dave campbell went to the capital this weekend to investigate the president's administration's slow response, and what it'll take for the deadly virus to be contained here in the u.s. >> anybody that needs a test has a test. they're there. the tests are beautiful. >> reporter: i came to washington, d.c. to check on the status of the coronavirus outbreak response. the local hospitals surrounding the white house told me they still rely on the cdc for their coronavirus testing, and it takes a few days to get the test results back. can you please help me understand where we are heading, both locally and perhaps internationally with the coronavirus outbreak? >> the cases are going down in china. that's a good thing. but they're going up everywhere in the world. because if you look at hospitals, nursing homes, prisons, cruise ships, whenever

people are congregated together, it has this amplification. i call it a slingshot effect. >> reporter: when we started doing it our way with the cdc testing guidelines, we aimed for the stars and we missed. that's gotten us behind the 8 ball. how can we catch up now? >> we've really made some missteps. there's obviously been a lot of transmission going on, silent transmission. we've done almost no testing, no e research. we catch up by funding the public health agencies. we need to fund research and development. we also need to plan for the future because our hospitals could easily be overrun. they could be overrun not just with people who have the disease but also the worried well. so most people won't die of the coronavirus. they'll die of cancer, heart

disease, diabetes, or even unsafe childbirth, because they won't get care. we have a shortage of ventilators, medical equipment, protection equipment for doctors. we have a lot to catch up on. >> we've recently passed the point of which case we now have more cases outside china than inside china on a daily basis, which i think is a critical shift in this situation. >> reporter: lauren gardner at johns hopkins created the corona tracking map and is finding the number of cases in china is dropping as the number of cases out of china increases. she thinks this is a critical shift. your thoughts? >> i agree. i think this is a critical shift. this is speaking to the global nature of the disease like this. i think there's a lot of lessons to learn from the chinese response. governments around the world right now are starting to respond to this disaster. >> we don't have enough tests

today. >> anybody that needs a test gets a test. they're there. >> it is being contained. and do you not think it is being contained? >> i'm not a doctor. not a lawyer. >> are you a doctor or lawyer when you say it is not being contained? >> i will still argue to you this is contained. it can't be airtight. >> public health hinges on public trust. when public trust is broken, and confidence is gone, it is very hard to regain. i think there are some leaders, including president trump, who want to paint a rosy picture. but as a result, he ends up saying words that are misleading and, frankly, untrue. that gets very confusing because you don't want a muddled message to be coming out. you don't want the president to be saying something, and his top public health leaders to be saying something. who do the american people trust? we're the middle of a novel outbreak of a new disease.

so it makes sense that there is so much that we don't know. what's so critical is for people to understand what's happening. we in america need to practice what we preach. we talk about other countries needing to have transparent, honest communication. not suppressing information, but being open with the public. we node to eed to do that here every level of government. >> reporter: what should we be telling our friends, neighbors, and patients this week? >> as we get more testing, we are going to find a lot more people who have coronavirus and may not know they've had it. we'll find more clusters, more cases of community transmission. it's easy to understand how this will breed fear. there will be a lot of changes in our daily life. disruptions to our everyday life. for example, schools potentially being closed. travel being canceled. work patterns being changed. i would say for everyone to be

prepared for that. >> we're coming to you from scarsdale middle school where a facility member tested positive for the coronavirus. as a result, every school in the district will be closed for the rest of the week. >> and stanford university, starting monday, will be holding classes online for the next two weeks. >> when you're on public transportation, find the least dense car or bus available. >> amtrak today announced it is cancelling non-stop service from new york to washington. >> we'll see in the united states in a few weeks where you're going to have maybe tens of thousands of people who are quarantined in their own home. how are we going to get them food, medicines? if you're rich or you're upper middle class professional, you can telecommute. what about people who are living paycheck to paycheck? we're coming on the political season now. this is presidential campaign. what are we going to do about political rallies? there are so many things that

are going to change in our life. we'll have an enormous social and economic upheaval. we need to have clear messaging from the white house and from the public health agencies, to be able to do that. we're not getting that. every time we have a crisis, whether it's sars or influenza, h1n1, mers, ebola, we're surprised. how about in future we say, we don't know what the next big one is, but it is coming. we don't know when, and we don't know what exact virus it is going to be, but it will be here. rather than play catchup, why don't we prepare? we have the best and brightest scientists, health care and public health people in the world. just let them do their job and don't get them -- and give them the political and social and economic support they need. they'll bring us through it. >> you know, mika, it is --

another part of this that actually we all need to be concerned about, all of us with loved ones who may not be completely healthy, the doctor was talking about the possibility of people who have diabetes, people who have cancer, people who have heart problems, people who are having childbirth are -- may not get the type of care and treatment they need because health care facilities are so overrun. i'm thinking about this weekend, one person walks into an emergency room and, suddenly, 40 health care providers have to self-quarantine themselves. something is radically wrong with the idea, and we're not thinking ahead how one person walking in, just one person, can shut down an entire emergency room. >> dr. dave campbell joins us now. dr. dave, we have a million questions for you. let's start with that one. we'll get to the testing and the

lack thereof across the country in just a moment. but i just have to ask basic common sense. you heard dr. gostin talking about staying away from hospitals, nursing homes, anywhere where there could be people at risk, not to have them exposed. you walk into an er, and chances are, there's going to be 20 people over the age of 60 and 70 sitting in the er, trying to get care. why are there not coronavirus testing and treatment centers being set up in localities across the country so you don't have people walking into ers and infecting the health care workers and the at-risk people sitting in the er? >> mika, that is a great question, and the answer is unknown. the public health officials haven't gotten us to the point today, monday, where if you walk into an emergency room, you will be segregated from other patients. think about a pediatrician's office over the years.

when the sick kids go in, there's a sick room. the well room, other kids go in the well room. we haven't prepared for that on the local level. if you go in a local hospital where i am in palm beach county, i called this morning to find out, you cannot have the test done for coronavirus today. there's nothing in place to segregate patients that are sick. >> crazy. >> unbelievable. again, you can't get this test right now, whether it's in washington, d.c. or palm beach or in most parts of the united states. yet, ed, on friday, the president of the united states said if you want a test, you can get a test. that was just lie. actually, a very dangerous lie indeed. >> so when he said that, only 1,856 americans had been tested. only 1,856. there's been a few more since then. i believe 5,000 tests with samples have been taken. you're getting 10,000 a day in

south korea. you're getting tens of thousands in italy. you're getting thousands a day in tiny countries like the netherlands. the fact that the united states is ill-prepared for this situation, and that the cdc still doesn't have a fully approved, fully distributed test ready, is, i think, testament to the negligence we've seen from the top of this administration from day one. the move-along, nothing to see here. there's been a global test available, approved by the world health organization, since late january. it came from germany, which the w.h.o. said this is the global standard. we could have been importing that into the united states. instead of attempting to reinvent the wheel. on top of all of this, the cdc and the fda have been having some bureaucratic in-fighting. what is needed is a president

who understands the urgency of providing tests rather than claiming those tests are already available, which is just a flat out mistruth. it is just untrue. it is highly misleading and potentially extremely dangerous to the lives of many, many americans. >> dr. dave, the president said anyone who wants a test can get a test. how close are we to that becoming a reality? >> mika, you can get a test perhaps if you go into an emergency room. you cannot get that test in palm beach county in the northern part if you go into one of the hospitals around the white house. two of the three hospitals i talked to will perhaps give you the test, and they'll have to send it out to the cdc. >> perhaps? >> that was as of over the weekend. ideally, this week, we will see the test kits spoken of spread out across the country locally. it has not happened today.

if you go in the emergency room today, you are most likely going to be told that you cannot be tested on site for the coronavirus. >> dr. dave, what you're telling us is that where donald trump resides most of the time, in washington, d.c., that you contacted the three hospitals closest to that white house, and even the president -- in the president's neighborhood, you can't get that test. you're telling us this morning that, you know, he golfed at mar-a-lago this weekend, in palm beach county, with the president spends the rest of his time, there are still no tests available, right? >> that is correct. today will be the day where everyone wakes up in the united states, across all 50 states, and starts to decide and be told what to do next.

physicians, doctors, surgeons will have to decide today whether to perform elective surgery this week. people will have to decide if they're going to go to the doctor's office for routine health care services. today is the day, joe, where everything changes across the country. >> all right. dr. dave campbell, thank you so much for being with us. we'll see you tomorrow. >> thanks. >> and keep getting updates. we appreciate it. >> okay. >> richard haass, you've spent your lifetime working in and around white houses. advising presidents, advising world leaders. i'm sitting here thinking about this crisis that is exploding. congress is now asking whether they need to adjourn. the best institutions in this country, educational institutions deciding not to hold classes.

and you still have a white house that, on friday, was lying about the availability of kits. if you want a test, you can get a kit. as ed said in the country of over 300 million, we had only given 1,800 tests. they're not available around the white house and the three hospitals closest to the white house. they're not available in the hospitals surrounding mar-a-lago. they're not available anywhere where the president claims they're available. then you had the president's spokesperson, kellyanne conway, dressing down a reporter for suggesting, well, what the reality was, that this virus is contained. it is not contained. it's spreading. what -- even ted cruz now admitting, we need to be serious about this. >> we need to talk about that. >> so what are the ramificatio ramifications, not only for this country but for the globe? the united states, who is

expected to be on the forefront in areas like this, fighting epidemics, preventing pandemics, is now trailing the world and has a respond that reminds me very much like south africa's response to the aids epidemic 10, 15 years ago. >> look, this is the third great crisis of the last two decades. we've had 9/11, then we had the financial crisis. this is the third one. domestically, testing is part of it. you've been talking about that for obviously reasons. that's just one piece of the puzzle. we've got, what, 30 million americans who don't have health insurance. at least that many don't have adequate health insurance. three or four times that many don't have paid sick leave. we still have no national policy about large gatherings of people. so what we need are all sorts of fixes. testing is one of them. paid sick leave is another one.

rules about dpagatherings is another one. joe, you raise an important point, the world is not being put on pause. we're dealing with this, but you have north korea testing missiles. you've got who knows what in places like iran, in china. so you've got -- so this potentially takes the united states out of action. at a time when history simply isn't going on pause. so this is one of those moments where, if you're not worried, you really are not paying attention. >> so oil prices suffered a major collapse overnight. long-term interest rates in the u.s. have plunged. investors are bracing for economic fallout from the coronavirus. there's a lot to talk about concerning the markets today. joining us now, nbc news senior business correspondent and msnbc anchor, stephanie ruhle joins us. also with us, business columnist at "new york" magazine, josh

barrow. good to have you both. steph, give us the latest as we start the week this monday morning. >> we are in desperate need of a global, coordinated effort from adult decision makers. talk about what happened in oil over the weekend. remember, this is tied to corona. last week when opec was meeting, the idea was we know that oil demand in china is down because of coronavirus. what are we going to do? russia leaves the meeting and basically says, nothing. everybody can do what they want. saudi arabia responds with, all right, we'll jack up production and depress prices. what does that do? puts other oil produce else, i.e., the ones here in houston that are already sort of on the ropes, in a panic. all of this is tied, again, to grown-ups. you've been talking about it for the last 30 minutes. the fact that we're getting mixed messaging. the president basically saying, don't be wimps. go back to work. we're all set. this is perfect. we know it's not. global business leaders are

taking matake ingi taking massive action to protect people. the interest rate cut, that wasn't going to do anything. we've seen that. we're talking about, are people going to get paid sick leave? not just if they work for a big company. think about small businesses. think about jobs. the millions of jobs that people cannot do from home. people who don't have health care, who are working off the grid. we need to contain this situation. until the administration is addressing containment, you're just going to see more and more businesses. you're going to see investors say, i have to pull the plug right now. when people say, you know, fear is the scariest thing here, if you don't address the fear, that puts us in a crisis situation. >> stephanie just diagnosed -- >> jonathon lemire? >> it is a bleak picture in terms of what is happening. we know how much the president care s about the stock market. his re-election chances are closely tied to the economy. is there anything he and the federal government can do right now to try to stop this? we've already had interest rates

be cut. is there anything he can do to try to goose the economy, slow the slide? >> yeah, do a better job reacting to the virus spread itselfment that itself. that's the number one issue. fed cut interest rates 0.5 percentage point. didn't do much. it is not getting people to sell more products if they can't get products out of a supply chain in china because of the outbreak. if customers aren't shopping, not getting on planes, getting on cruise ships, not going to the mall because they're afraid of the virus, low interest rates aren't getting them out there. it is not a repeat from the bounceback from the financial crisis. we need different tools here. it is self-defeating about the president's efforts to try to happy talk the market up. it is not going to work. the market is down because of this fundamental problem, this virus, in addition to being a huge human problem is a huge economic problem. it is the fundamental. not only can the president not do that much but the fed cannot do much. there will be some value in a fiscal package. it would be good to have some stimulus. once the epidemic is over,

putting money in people's pockets, especially if some have been out of work, run up debt because of the disruptions, that will help but only on the bounceback. the thing you need right now for the economy is the same thing you need for the virus. you need effective social distancing, whatever the measures are to slow the spread of the virus. >> as we look for the social distan distancing, we also have to deal with the impact that will be disproportionate to those that are not in the economy in terms of being well-placed in terms of servi services, health services, testing, and have jobs that are not easily as moved to stay at home and other cases like that. we are assuming people in underserved communities can just use the same options. i think they have been totally ignored in this whole process of how we deal with the economy or the economic reality of the coronavirus. >> yeah. no, i think that is absolutely right. it is right from a hue minnesma

perspective, there are going to be individual needs and community needs that vary from place to place. from an economic perfective, it is right, especially on the upswing from the virus. you don't want to stimulate people out into the community in ways when people should be staying home. it is about, you know -- normally, when i talk with economists the last couple weeks, normally an economic crisis caused by a natural disaster, it is a relatively quick bounceback. factories close and then they make over shifts for what they would have in the past. when you have a crisis that goes on a long time, people run out of money and you'll need stimulus measures burks it' s f it'll be on the back end. >> ed, overnight, stock futures plunging so low they had to stop the trading. oil futures lower than any time since 1991 and the outbreak of the gulf war. what are you looking for today? what are you expecting today? >> well, i mean, this is plague

monday, whatever we call it. look, the president's inclination will be to call for another 0.5 point interest rate cut, and it'll be wrong. the fed did so out of calendar a few days ago. the markets fell flat, showing the fed was panicking. as rich and the reverend have been pointing out, there is going to be a fiscal stimulus. other countries are developing their own stimuluses. it is not a question of whether there will be a stimulus but what it looks like. i think the reverend made a very good point. it has to be targeted at those who need it. those lower down the income scale, those in the gig economy, those who don't get paid sick leave, those whose kids' schools have been closed but don't have access to child care. it's got to be targeted at americans who need it. that's the kind of package i would like to see a president of the united states developing rapidly at a time like this.

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anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a testing gets a test. they're there. they have the tests. >> we don't have enough tests today to meet what we anticipate will be the demand going

forward. >> tests are beautiful. anybody that needs a test gets a test. >> as more americans take an interest in this or have concerns about this, we want to make sure they have access to a coronavirus test, as well. we made progress on that in the last several days. >> anybody that needs a test, that's the important thing. the tests are all perfect. like the letter was perfect. the transcription was perfect, right? this is not as perfect as that, but pretty good. >> that guy. >> it's really -- >> it is incredible how disgusted the doctors standing with him look. >> and these doctors are responsible for stopping a pandemic. >> they got this joker. >> from coming to the united states and killing a lot of americans. you know, just to put this into perspective, what happens when things get out of control? look at the spanish flu pandemic of 1818/1819. worldwide, 50 million people died. more americans died in that

pandemic than died fighting world war i. i believe that died fighting world war ii, as well. it can be contained. but it can't be contained if the president keeps running around lying about the situation, trying to keep cruise ships circling around in the ocean because he doesn't want sick people to actually be counted in the tally. so he keeps them imprisoned out on the water. and telling all of us, don't worry. be happy. that just -- maybe it's worked for him the rest of -- in other aspects of his life, but that disconnect from reality, especially if you're 60 years or older, is deadly. it doesn't matter whether you're a republican or a democrat or a conservative or a liberal. if you are in your 50s, your 60s, 70s, your 80s, the

president failing to plan for this, the president continuing to keep his head buried in the sand could have deadly results. if you can have an impact on him, please pick up the phone and call the white house and beg that the president of the united states starts treating the coronavirus seriously. you know, in congress, they've learned their lessons. let me go to bob costa, who is with us. bob, in congress, we had republicans who were talking about the media host. you had mick mulvaney at cpac. the irony so thick you can cut it with a knife. at cpac, talking about the media hoax, talking about how bad this could be. you had a member mocking the coronavirus on the house floor last week when he went to vote, who then had to announce that somebody died in his district of the coronavirus. now, you have ted cruz self-quarantined. you have arizona trumper

congressman who is quarantined. it appears that, finally, some people are taking it seriously. yet, the whit house staff still concerned, telling reporters, off the record, of course, off record, of course, their concern that the president just will not get with the game plan and take this seriously. >> there has been a change in thinking on capitol hill over the last two days. working over the weekend, it is evident that congressional republicans feel this is not a hoax anymore, in public and private conversations. they see senator cruz self-quarantining. ko congressman of arizona, as you mentioned. congresswoman liz cheney didn't go to the meeting over the weekend because of her concerns over coronavirus. you see republicans grappling with all of this. they're also trying to think ahead. do they need to push this president, not only to address the health and management issues of coronavirus, but will there need to be a fiscal stimulus,

economic stimulus late into the year to provide stability to the economy? those are some of the conversations that are already happening. the problem for president trump is he has a new chief of staff in mark meadows who has some relationship with democrats, but the president is at a stand-off with speaker pelosi. congress isn't in a perfect position, based on my reporting, to come forward a major package. >> john, before the president of the united states starts talking about fiscal stimulus, we need him to talk about the coronavirus and what his administration is doing. i think the president himself needs to assure americans he understands how critical the timing is of his response, instead of tweeting out conspiracy theory tweets last night. >> yeah, i think the president needs to do a couple things, joe. first, telling the truth. the second, start getting the competent forces within his

administration, to the extent those exist, to deal with the problem and to project or gain or regain public trust in terms of how the government is handling this. the most distressing elements is none of those things, which are basic, i mean, the things i said are not complex. tell the truth and try to get the most competent people in your administration to work on it and show the public they're working on it. neither of those are things that people have expectation will happen or happen soon. we are going to find out when the reporting is all done on what has happened over the last month and how the administration has handled this. i think it is going to be one of the great scandals of the administration. the depth of it, we're nowhere near understanding how badly handled and mishonestly hdishon. the way the president has behaved in public the last 96 hours or so, there is nothing close to an awakening happening with him to get himself in a

place where the public desperately needs him to be. not just -- this is not a political thing anymore. not that it was ever just a political thing. but this is a thing where dire public health issues are at stake, and i don't think the president has comprehension of that. >> jonathan lemire, you obviously report at the time. what can you tell us? has there been a change in thinking among the president? if not the president, if the president is still clueless, if the president is still just recklessly looking at this as a political challenge and not the public health crisis that it is, are there people at least inside the white house? they will not repeat the things they said. kellyanne conway mocking and attacking a cbs news reporter for saying what we all knew then and know now, that the virus is not contained. larry kudlow saying that the virus was contained when the

surgeon general has said the virus is not contained. and others, fauci, the virus is not contained. nobody believes the virus is contained. yet, they were still saying it on friday. do you expect a change of tone on monday? will kellyanne conway come out and apologize for attacking the cbs news reporter today and say, well, yeah, it's not contained, and we're actually in the mitigation phase now? >> pretty confident there won't be an apology, joe. i think there are two things. one, backing up a step, i think this is an administration that was too slow to react months ago, when this crisis first began. the president, you know, didn't want to be told the bad news. secretary azar of health and human services, on a number of occasions, tried to suggest, this is an issue in china. we need to formulate a plan. the president was slow to do so. in part, he didn't want to be seen as alienating china, where he is working trade deals with xi jinping. he didn't want to embarrass him

and criticize his handling of the virus. he also didn't want to, during the time, battling impeachment, to have a another distraction. he felt he'd come out of impeachment okay and wanted political momentum. he is someone who tries to put forth a narrative that everything is okay. speaking of impeachment, cpac, where now we know there was at least one confirmed case and people are self-quarantined because of it, cpac, a week or so ago, then acting chief of staff mick mulvaney criticized the media and suggested the coverage of the virus was a hoax, we were overblowing it. people are quarantining themselves from that event. in terms of the white house itself, we are seeing an effort to try and get their arms around this. they're ramping up their response. the president has been an obstacle to that. he has not wanted to acknowledge the seriousness of this crisis. he knows it can be politically damaging. we discussed at length the haphazard and irresponsible performance from him at the cdc.

this weekend at mar-a-lago, he is calling allies, suggesting this isn't that big of a deal. it will pass. the administration will be able to handle it. that's simply flying in the face of reality. we know, as a final point, time and again, he is someone who tries to assert his own narrative, assert his own truth. he has had a lot of supporte ee tend to believe him rather than the media. suggesting that he is the one who is reliable, opposed to the so-called fake news. this crisis is different. that is going to test that. they can see, joe, with their own eyes, in their own neighborhood. they're going to be able to see their elderly neighbor get sick. they'll have their local school district close. they'll g to to to the grocery and realize they can't get hand sanitizer because the store is old out. this is a different reality, and the president has to confront that. >> trump supporters who are mocking -- again, you said mick mulvaney, also members of

congress were mocking the concern conveyed by health care providers and the press and the media. i want you to read this warning. everyone should continue to treat this outbreak seriously and be driven by facts and medical science. we need to be proactive in mobilizing resources to combat this outbreak. i encourage everyone to follow the recommendations of the cdc and health profession untals in protecting their own health and welfare as well as the health and welfare of those around him. that written last night by senator ted cruz. things are changing by the day. >> messaging from washington is definitely confusing. let's bring in epidemiologist joseph fair, a science tributer. the president says anyone who wants a test can have it. we know it is not true. doctor, people who are exhibiting symptoms, feeling symptoms often are going to emergency rooms. i'll ask you the same thing i

asked our chief medical correspondent, dr. dave campbell, why are people not being sent to coronavirus testing centers or coronavirus treatment centers to try and contain this? isn't the possibility of people walking into emergency rooms with symptoms of coronavirus, doesn't that mean they spread it to the community that can help people get better? >> it's what's happened. >> isn't it basic at this point, there should be treatment centers around the country? >> absolutely. the republicason they're not wa into the centers and getting tested as readily as we'd like them to be is the centers don't exist. they're in a handful of places around the country. even those places are overwhelmed at the moment, without having reinforcements, testing coming from the cdc, et cetera, coming back to them and reinforcing their supplies and stocks. so we heard the case yesterday of the seattle woman that has been trying for weeks. she was in an elderly care home

that has been the most affected. it took her weeks to get tested. by definition, using words like "co "contained" would mean we wouldn't have new states and different cases popping up in different states. if you look at the data and we see the new cases popping up everywhere, it is contradictory to the term "contained." and going into an emergency room, going back to your earlier question, that exposes everyone else in that emergency room there who, most likely, do have the underlying conditions, which we repeatedly mentioned. anyone with copd, lung problems, heart disease. that's going to expose them. even if you, yourself, are going to be fine, if you're in the 80th percentage, you're endangering everyone else by reporting to the emergency rooms and overwhelming the system. >> yeah. so, rev, we have an example of this this past weekend where one person, one patient that was feeling the symptoms of the coronavirus went into an

emergency room on long island. went in there and may have infected 40 health care workers, doctors, and nurses, technicians, all inside that hospital. immediately, one person walks in. 40 health care providers have to self-quarantine. and the fact that we are this far into a health care crisis, and our administration and our government in washington still hasn't figured out a way to stop that from happening. again, beyond just the 40 health care providers who were completely taken out of that emergency room and now were self-quarantined for weeks and can't treat other patients, you have 60, 70, 80-year-olds who may have been exposed to that virus, whose very lives now may be at risk. >> and the thing that is most alarming to me is that the white

house is not even outlining how we expand the testing. one of the things i said at the weekly saturday rally at the action networks this saturday is what about those in low-income areas, in multi-dwellings, where you have people that live in housing developments? people that go to church, and we have no access to the testing. how do we get testing sites, doctor, for example, maybe at churches and maybe at community centers? because we're in communities that don't have a lot of health facilities. by the very mnature of our need for work and income, and the fact we live in multi-developing hou dwelling houses, we're around people all the time and are least exposed to services, lest known testing. in a church service, a multi-dwelling, just getting up into our apartments, no one is

even talking about that. >> absolutely. you know, the lowest income levels are always disproportionately affected by any infectious disease, but it is particularly this one. we've heard repeatedly, you know, how much is the test going to cost? i can say it would be unprecedented that we would even charge for a test for a pandemic disease. that would be offered for free normally. same with the vaccine. it would be unprecedent thed th we'd charge for a vaccine for a pandemic disease. if everyone can't afford it, then we're all at risk. >> all right. here is some of the reporting about the administration's response to the virus so far. multiple sources familiar with the discussions tell nbc news that trump is simply not on the same wavelength as the rest of his team handling the outbreak. but, they said, there's not much they can do to change his public tone. trump has been advised by some close to him to let public health officials, rather than the politicians, take a more forward-facing role. a person close to the white

house said trump thinks it helps him politically to keep doing what he has been doing. another white house source said that has left aides feeling discouraged, as they try to prepare the public for what could be ahead. the "washington post" is reporting two major problems arose as the trump administration struggled to contain the rapidly spreading coronavirus. cities were not ready to contain it, and testing for the virus did not work. according to the "post," two senior administration officials argued that even in hindsight, the administration might not have done much differently. in part, because it was important for the cdc to figure out exactly why its tests weren't working. >> despite the fact we had a global test they could have imported. >> another quality control issue, for instance, could have yielded more inconclusive results, further exacerbating the problem, the officials added. some in the administration,

including trump himself, viewed the initial steps to contain the virus as a solution, rather than a starting point from which to use to buy themselves more time. when it came to engaging president trump in efforts for the outbreak, hhs secretary alex azar was having trouble focusing trump's full attention on his coronavirus briefing. azar had arrived to brief the president on the latest virus news, but trump, instead, interjected, badgering the health chief about the administration's message decision to implement a limited ban on flavored e-cigarettes. why did you push me to insert myself into a controversial political issue, trump demanded? the "new york times" reports that the trump administration has struggled since the very beginning of the coronavirus outbreak to successfully communicate with the american public. as early as february 25th, the

"times" reports that as a cdc officials were warning about its impact and as, quote, the stock market plummeted, cable news blared apocalyptic headlines. by the time trump landed at joint base andrews early the next morning, his critics were accusing him of sowing confusion on an issue of life and death. the president immediately got on the phone with alex azar, his secretary of health and human services. that call scared people. he shouted, referring to cdc warnings, are we at the point that we will have to start closing schools? the president added, alarmed, according to an official who heard about the call. so the "atlantic" reported its exclusive findings on what it calls the strongest evidence yet that america is botching coronavirus testing. the piece says the capacity to test for the virus varies dramatical dramatically. sometimes dangerous from state to state. quote, the figures we gathered

suggest the american response to the coronavirus and the disease it causes, covid-19, has been shocking inglingly sluggish, es compared to that of other developed countries. earlier this week, the cdc announced that it would stop publishing negative results for the coronavirus. an extraordinary step that essentially keeps americans from knowing how many people have been tested overall. the haphazard debut of the tests and the ensuing absence of widespread data about the epidemic has hamstrung doctors, politici politicians, and public health officials, as they try to act prudently during the most important week for the epidemic in the united states so far. >> so, john heilemann, the secretary of hhs went to warn the president about the coronavirus, and the president of the united states, instead,

began raging about flavored e-cigarettes. that actually neatly encapsulates how cluely lless s been since the outbreak began. >> yeah. i'm afraid that's certainly right. and i think, you know, joe, i keep coming back to something you've been talking about. it's a recurring theme of the coverage of this over the course of the last few weeks, as it is starting to unfold. it's been, you know, that trump has basically learned one lesson over the course of his time in office, which is that by and large, he has paid little political price for lying. by and large, he has paid very political price, except in the grandest sense. we point to the fact that, you know, there was a giant repudiation in the midterm elections. in terms of his personal poli c politics, the president felt he could lie with impunity and there was nothing he couldn't. all he was ever trying to do was appeal to his base. there was no political threat that he couldn't just deem to be

a conspiracy, deem to the fake news, to the limited sense he wanted to keep the people who were with him with him. this political crisis is a crisis where the kinds of impurical grounding of it, the fact that facts here are things that can't be spun away,denied, lied away, they're overwhelming and tangible. they're at the point now where they're about to overwhelm his capacity to bluster his way through. you know, the e-cigarette thing is a classic trump. part of the reason why the story is so typical of the situation is that it is a classic trump thing. this is a story that he feels he can get his head around, so he pivots to the familiar. this virus and its political economic, financial, scientific, public health implications is overwhelming to him. that he is in denial about it is not surprising.

because what's happening to him right now is a total system failure. everything that he normally uses as a strategy in a tough spot is not working, and it is not going to work. i think we are at the point where, not only is this about to metastasize as a crisis, but where trump is going to go. for the first time, it can be a state of full-blown panic. that's where we're headed, and it is a terrible prospect, given where we are in the arc of this disease. >> bob, we've been talking about the need for the president to not be in denial and stop blustering. one minute ago, he is continuing. his new tweet, the fake news media and the democratic party is doing everything within its power, used to be greater, to inflame the coronavirus situation far beyond what the facts would warrant. the surgeon general says the risk is low to the average american. the president is still, bob, unwilling to come to grisps wit the severity of the outbreak.

from your sense, from your reporting, are there any republicans, whether on capitol hill or perhaps his new chief of staff, meadows, who is more of a political warrior, perhaps, will be able to get in his ear and say, sir, your approach needs to change here before this becomes this crisis completely envelo enveloping your administration? >> i know our time is brief, so i'll open my notebook and offer a few, quick thoughts. the situation over the weekend is this, there's no consensus on capitol hill, because of the frayed relations, to get anything done on that level beyond just more funding. they have an $8 billion deal, not much more at this point. the real conversation is about federal power. what is the president and executive branch going to do? is he considering emergency measures to protect hospitals, to try to increase the number of icu beds in this country, to move forward in dramatic ways that could rattle an already rattled global stock market situation? that's what's confronting the white house this morning as they go to work. what measures will the executive

branch take that could lead to economic pain? that could include calling for schools to be closed, things that could really have economic conscience fre consequences for the next two, three, four months. that's the challenge the administration and meadows is facing. he's trying to surround himself with political allies who can make the message publicly. he wants to go to war on the message as democrats continue their own campaign. it'll be an executive branch decision as congress is at a standstill. >> the problem with that is, of course, this president, as we said from day one, is a day trader. he never makes the tough choice. he never makes the tough decision. that will pay dividends down the road. we've seen china do it. we're seeing italy doing it right now. doctor, if the president does not make those difficult choices, if the president doesn't make those difficult choices, obviously, the consequences are great.

if you had the ear of the president and policymakers on capitol hill, what would you be telling them they must do right now? >> to be frank, i think it is appropriate right now to declare a national emergency or a national security emergency. we know that almost every state in the union is affected right now. once testing is up and running, i have little doubt that all states in the union and our territories will be infected. affected, i should say. that being said, we know our troops are at risk. we've had several troops, army and navy, get infected. we know ships are a breeding ground for the virus, et cetera. this is both a national security matter as well as a federal disaster. i think it is time to declare the federal disaster. because we have to get the testing out. we have to provide for individuals that they don't have the luxury of taking 14 days off of work. if they're in the low-income bracket, that's rent. that's food. how are they going to do that? without a plan to get money and

food and the needed supplies to those individuals, as well as save the businesses that they work for, we're going to see a much worse disaster than we have on our hands right now. if i can compare this to other natural disasters, the most i can would be a forest fire. if you respond early and aggressively, you can contain the forest fire. if you let it go, it is going to continue to grow and grow and b grow. that's what we're seeing right now. >> doctor, thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. >> thank you. >> obviously, sobering words. the doctor underlines the fact we need leadership. bob, thank you so much, as well. we greatly appreciate it. richard haass, we heard about -- actually, we'll get to him next. >> i would like to add to what the doctor said. unless there is a place for these people to go, coronavirus care centers, this is going to run rampant across the country. like, we have to stop it and contain it by having a place for

people to go when they have symptoms or they have the coronavirus. if they continue to go to hospitals and to their doctor's office, or walk around with the symptoms, it is going to spread. we have literally -- we have totally failed. america has failed at dealing with this. the fact that these aren't put up in localities, even tents at this point for people to go to get tests. oh, there are no tests. i'm sorry. they're walking into hospitals? this is crazy. you can't -- cancelling school is not going to help if people are walking into ers with the coronavirus. we're going to see it happen. it is going to play out. you can thank donald trump for this. >> again, the crisis comes just right now. because we're walking darkly through this epidemic, which could become a pandemic. we don't have the testing. we don't know how many people are infected. the "atlantic" is reporting that cdc is not going to report how many people are negative. we're not going to have a grasp

on the percentage of the people who are actually infected by this virus. as you say, health care workers are not -- there's no plan to protect health care workers. >> yeah. >> there's no plans to protect those people, entrepreneurs and people who are struggling every week on living wage. don't work with a lot of different people. people in the gig economy. people that are lower income, there are no plans right now to take care of them. if somebody is sick, and if they don't go to work, then they know they're not going to be able to pay rent. they're going to be more likely to go to work and infect 200, 500 people who will then spread the disease when they go home at night, when they go into their communities. >> to their families. >> again, all of this requires -- >> thought. >> -- leadership. all of this requires planning. all of this requires a president that can actually sort through all of these things.

you know, we know donald trump is incapable of doing this. so it requires donald trump to understand, to know what he doesn't know, which is actually an important quality of great leadership, to know what he doesn't know and put people in charge who actually can sort through all of this. if he doesn't, then this crisis is going to get much worse very quickly. >> so tomorrow is another big day at the ballot box. six states are holding primaries. michigan has the most delegates up for grabs at 125. joining us now from michigan is nbc news correspondent heidi, who spoke to a number of voters in the state before they head to the polls tomorrow. what did you find out? >> reporter: i sat down with a few of the thousands of fems for dems here in southeast michigan. they are a grassroots organizing powerhouse that was behind the

2018 pink wave that swept through michigan and elevated women to all three of the top executive positions. michigan is the most populous state that's going to be voting in the primary on tuesday. these women, these suburban women, are the ones who are going to make the difference. i sat down with them to find out how they're feeling now that many of the women who they supported and, frankly, gave their lives to, organizing behind, are now out of the race. it was fascinating to hear them talk about their feelings, including the fact that many of the women that they encountered in their travels were the ones who said that they were spooked about voting for a woman this time. that the stakes were just too high. take a look. >> it is international women's day. happy international women's day, everybody. >> i've always been a democrat. being with women that feel as i do has been a great emphasis for

me becoming more involved. >> like a community? >> exactly. >> it is an organization empowering women to do that, to become involved, to run for president. >> did you play a role in the pink wave in michigan? >> yes. fems for dems definitely did. >> we experienced some great success in the county where i lift. we made changes and elected a lot of democrats. >> reporter: do you see the vision you saw in amy klobuchar in any of these men? >> no. >> does vp satisfy you, or is that a token? >> right now, it'd satisfy me because of where we're at. but it stings a little. >> the issue is defeating trump. i think we all have to get together on this and hope there is a female vp. >> we run households at home. when the kids have a problem, who do they run to? nine times out of ten, they run

to mom. why is that different? we fix the problems. we're the ones that are going to fix this. >> reporter: so what now, mika? i spoke with the women. even though they say they're feeling sting and definitely hurt, they say there's no time to despair. a number of the women supported the moderate candidate, like kamala harris, like amy klobuch klobuchar. you see them, this is reflected in the polls, going over to joe biden. others, and this was fascinating, those who supported bernie sanders, you're now seeing a generational divide. some of the women i talked to said that their parents and they would be supporting joe biden, though they supported sanders last time. the younger ones are sticking with sanders. this group, this fems for dems group, is a model for organizing women voters. it shows what can happen when women kind of get together, in that we saw this big pink wave here in 2018. they call themselves kind of a sist sisterhood. they're also manifesting their

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." we've been talking about the great need for the president of the united states to respond to this crisis and ensure americans he's on top of it. this is what the president has been tweeting this morning. he tweeted conspiracy theories last night. this is what he's tweeting this morning. he's -- he has actually tweeted something from the surgeon general. what it is is the surgeon general telling jake tapper that president trump sleeps less than i do, and he's healthier than i am. that's the president's message to america from the surgeon general. it's sick, actually. very sick. people are dying, and it's sick. sick that he is doing this. >> so -- >> hold on. i'm not done. five minutes ago, the president tweeted about bernie sanders, and democrats are trying to smear him with russia, russia,

russia. they are driving him crazy, the president says. the president, ten minutes ago, attacks elizabeth, quote, pocahontas warren, single-handedly destroying the bernie sanders campaign. so, again, his obsession with bernie sanders being his opponent continues. 15 minutes ago, he attacks cryin chuck schumer. still talking about chuck schumer last week, with words that he used about two supreme court justices, which schumer apologized for. and then an attack 20 minutes ago on the fake news media. this is, of course, a president who appears, unfortunately, incapable of putting the health and the well-being of the american people ahead of his own

childish desires. it is important to understand the people at risk are his supporters, as well as people who don't support him. anybody that is 60 or older is in danger as this spreads. the president is doing nothing but playing in his political sandbox while this virus continues to spread silently across america. >> let's bring in former presidential candidate, pete buttigieg, who endorsed former vice president joe biden for president last week. it is great to have you back on the show. so much to talk about in terms of politics with you. but i'd like to begin with the coronavirus and the president's response. even those tweets. i know you're not in the race, but i wonder if you might think there might be a better way to respond to this outbreak and what it would be at this point. >> you know what i've been thinking about, when he got elected, i remember a lot of friends, conservative friends especially, who said, okay. he's not a great figure. he's not a great leader, but it

doesn't matter that much. basically saying it's hard to sink a ship. i think this is one of those moments where we're reminded, it really matters who the president of the united states is. lives depend on the wisdom and judgment of the president. there's certain things that no one else in the government can do to coordinate the response, to manage the issue, to convincingly reassure the american people. and we don't have that. that is incredibly costly. it is costly medically. it is costly economically. you know, we are still absorbing the economic consequences of all this. i think you're right on the program to discuss the fact that a lot of the worst consequences are going to be for the people who are the most vulnerable. people who don't have sick leave or who have high deductible health insurance plans. or think of a small business owner whose bank loan will only be repaid if they can count on a certain amount of revenue. people are less likely to go

out, it is a brutal hit. these things require presidential leadership. right now, america doesn't have it. >> mayor pete, we obviously have some important races tomorrow. you've endorsed joe biden. there's been a good bit of back and forth from bernie sanders and joe biden. bernie sanders suggesting that you and black voters across the deep south were part of billionaires, elites, and influencers who were manipulating the process. would you care to respond to bernie sanders, who said that you, as well as black voters across the deep south, cracked under pressure? >> black voters in the south sent a very clear message about their trust in joe biden. let me also say this. you know, when you're a 37-year-old may or of south ben, illinois, you do not run for president of the united states because you were invited to by the establishment. you know, this is a campaign

that i'm very proud of. i ended up when we looked at the math. even though it is extraordinary, what we were able to do, it was also clear that there wasn't a path. the voters had spoken. it was time to work in service to the goals that motivated me to run for president in the first place, which was to do everything i could to try to unify the country, try to unify the party and, above all, defeat donald trump. those very same things that motivated me a year ago to step into the race for president motivated me a week ago to step out and to support joe biden. >> i think that one of the things that has been offensive to a lot of us is to suggest that black voters or everyone is listening to the establishment. i told senator sanders in vermont, you're the establishment. you're the senator. i think we can disagree without having to make people look disingenuous, where they're going. you have been held accountable for police matters in your city,

and you've dealt with that. joe biden, i certainly put his feet to the fire about the crime bill and anita hill. he's dealt with that and apologized. sanders needs to also deal with it. he voted for the crime bill, and he has to deal. i don't know how you make martin luther king candidate out of a guy that voted five times against the brady bill. let's come tleclear with that. i think what was offensive to many of us is to cancel mississippi, to act like black voters were establishment, my heart is with many of his issues but you can't take us for granted and then call you, cory booker, kamala harris' endorsements as establishment figures. you were the ones who fought the establishment, like he does. a lot of us would want to support that, but let's have a straight up, honest conversation. >> yeah. part of what it means to listen to black voters is to listen to the message they send at the ballot box.

there was a very clear message, certainly, sent in south carolina. i think that has to be taken seriously by anybody who claims to be taking that relationship seriously. and i'm also puzzled by all of these process arguments that seem to go around the arguments over where the country ought to go. right? most folks that i met when i was campaigning for president weren't asking questions about the establishment. they were asking questions about their health care. they were asking questions about the economy. they were asking questions about racial injustice and about america's role in the world. shouldn't we be having a debate about that? that's what this is ultimately going to come down to. >> i ask you this question. you know, one of the things we all started to focus on after tuesday, when it became clear that this improbable thing had happened, joe biden with a lead in the delegate counts. no one expected it to happen on wednesday. the best-case scenario, the campaign didn't expect it. according to the delegate tracker, we have the vice president with a 77 delegate

lead. over the course of this month, the lead is probably going to widen between mississippi, florida, georgia. these are places where the vice president is likely, if the super tuesday patterns hold, to rack up a larger delegate lead. so now we get to the end of march. we've had bernie sanders, in the debate in las vegas, says, majority doesn't matter. he said that, right? how does the party try to, and all the people who supported joe biden, how do you try to make bernie sanders, if you can, make him live up to those words? the reality is that we can find ourselves the end of march where it is clear that joe biden is going to end with the most delegates. there should be some pressure that the party might want to apply to senator sanders, to unify quickly and train the party's fire on donald trump as early as possible. >> the end of the day, the party is voters. the party is people who view themselves as democrats, or at least view themselves as in opposition to this president, coming together to decide who we want to put forward as the

alternative. i think the biggest thing we can do, it is not about, you know, all of these process things. there's no room where people hash these things out. it is happening across the country. i think what we're starting to see happen is voters who went any number of ways, especially when there were 25 of us running for president, they're beginning to coalesce. we have to look ahead to unity. we have to remember, look, the differences between the candidates are real. they're serious. i was litigating some of them as a candidate. also, there are light years between any of us in this party and what's going on in the white house now. we have got to remember what we are up against. it is not each other. >> right. let me -- to make that -- my long question as simple as possible, is it your view that if we get -- if we get to a place where it is clear senator sanders faces an insurmountable delegate deficit, he should, at that point, get out of the race, get behind joe biden, so the party can coalesce as quickly as

possible? every day the party is fighting this nomination fight is another day where donald trump is running unopposed in the battleground states. >> i would hope so. it is hard. especially when you've been building a campaign, you have your supporters. i that process, looking at the math. again, hopefully, you run for president in order to serve your values, not the other way around. and if our values are best served as i think ultimately, they will be. by unifying as quickly as possible and taking the fight to donald trump, i certainly felt as a candidate that created a responsibility for him, as painful as it was, to step out. i think when the math isn't there, you got to get real. >> this campaign is now being run against the backdrop of the coronavirus. you just came off the campaign trail. you're well aware of its vigors. it's shaking hands, kissing babies. the three candidates that are left, including the one you support, joe biden are all in

their 70s. it's negative towards people who are older. is it appropriate, not only for the candidates but those around them, coming to the rally halls night after night, should the campaign continue with rallies, conventions in the summer, should this be happening like this in the midst of this virus outbreak? >> i don't think this is the time for rethinking what campaign looks like. the style of campaigning has campaigned to people campaigning on their front porches and whistle stops with trains and now it might be forced with all of the capabilities for reaching voters, we should find the new way to do this, if it's the right thing to do, not just for the candidate safety, but the voters. i hope each candidate are having avery serious conversation with their teams, who are probably not focused on this type of security but need to think about the implications, again, for the

candidate yes, but everybody involved, practicing as we know it. >> mayor pets i'm curious about the day you endorsed joe biden, everything came together with amy and beto and you coalescing behind him. can you give us some insight into how that came about or was someone involved in who brought you together? >> no, the next question, should i make an endorsement i thought if i do it, i should do it when it would make a difference. i felt pretty clear about it sunday, the day i got out. i wanted to sleep on it. woke up monday morning. nothing had changed my mind and i said, okay, let's find a way to do this. part of it is based not just on the pose policies and ideas bu really get to know each other when you're running for president. all of the rivals, we're on the debate stage all the time.

bumping into each other all the time. there's a fundamental decency. everybody at the debate, everybody comes off, a really high-energy, kind of keyed up kind of state. you would see joe biden talking with the stagehands on the side, while a lot of us are kind of pacing and thinking about what we're going to say next. throughout the process, this kind of decency, at a moment when just as important as getting the policies right, obviously, and fixing the manages manageme mismanagement of the administration is just the way we treat each other in this country. and i felt that there were all these lines, even though we're obviously different people, and different styles, there's this line between what my campaign is about and what he's practicing. we went down to texas. and i spent time in the vehicle as we were headed over there. it was very reassuring just to remember, the kind of decency that he's carried with him.

and i think will make such a difference in the white house. >> mayor pete, thank you so much for being on this morning. >> great to have you on. >> we love having you on. as you know, we really enjoyed having you on throughout the campaign. hope you'll come back soon. >> look forward to it. anytime. john heilemann, let's talk about tomorrow and what's at stake. obviously, michigan is the big prize. but, first of all, bernie sanders could do in 2020 what he did in 2016 and extend this race. but if some of the polls i've seen are right, it looks like joe biden could win michigan handily. what happens if biden does win michigan and most of the other states tomorrow? >> well, there's a symbolic here, joe, michigan obviously in 2016, we came out of super tuesday, hillary clinton was head by 210 pledged delegates. there was no math by which

bernie sanders could close that gap. yet, he won michigan and unexpectedly, the following week, that gave him in his mind kind of a rationale of going forward and fighting on for several months, the disunity that brought to the party, had bad effects on hillary clinton's candidacy, all the way to the general election. now, we come to this repeat. a smaller delegate lead that joe biden had, as i said before, 77. the way the proposition of delegates work, that still a lead that joe biden has. even though michigan tomorrow night is going to have all of the symbolic importance, everyone is going to focus on it the reality is, unless it's a blowout for either side, the two of them are going to end up basically splitting the delegates there. that's true for all of the states on tuesday except for one, and that's mississippi. the state that has 31 delegates at stake, and joe biden, if the voting patterns for super tuesday hold, and may be exacerbated by the fact that

senator sanders has abandoned mississippi, more or less signaling that he's abandoning the african-american vote, that will add to his delegate from 77, maybe add 10 or 15 net delegates there. that's just going to make it harder for sanders going forward, regardless of what happens in michigan. if you look at florida and georgia coming up in march, you could easily imagine a situation where joe biden has 150 pledged delegate lead by the end of march. at which point, it really is a question, does bernie sanders want to keep fighting on where the math does not work for him. i think the pressure in the party is going to be intense whether he bends to it or not, i do not know. we have muff moch more ahea the fast moving surge of the coronavirus. the markets are tanking with plunging oil prices. crude has cratered. down 21%. its biggest one-day price drop

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it is being contained. and do you not think it's being contained? >> there are at least 546 cases. the virus is now in 34 states and is the district of columbia. the death toll is 22. >> it is being contained. >> 100 countries are now reporting cases. >> it is being contained. >> the demand on health care providers is surging. >> it is being contained. >> we're going to see a complete overwhelming the entire medical system. >> it is being contained. >> there is no vaccine and a delay in getting test kits. >> it is being contained. >> we don't want to alarm

people, anything is possible. >> it is being contained. and do you not think it is being contained? >> well, if the white house can't be trusted at least we have public servants in congress. like florida's matt gates who had so much fun mocking the coronavirus outbreak by wearing a gas mask on capitol hill. just days before a resident in his home district died of coronavirus. good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, march 9th. with us, we have white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemire. reverend al sharpton. president of the council on foreign relations and author of the forthcoming book "the world a brief interjection." richard haass. >> and "the new york times" edward lewis joins us this morning. we have fast-moving developments with the coronavirus. the number of cases surging here in the u.s. from 230 cases on

friday to at least 546 cases this morning. the virus is now in 34 states and the district of columbia which reports its first case this weekend. the death toll is 22. anxiety has now hit congress. senator ted cruz and congressman paul gosar have self-quarantined after attended cpac. that brings hundreds of thousands of dollars to the local economy in texas. one of the top tennis tournaments in indian wells, california, is cancelled. columbia university has cancelled classes for today and tomorrow. rice university in texas has cancelled classes all week due to the spreading coronavirus. the historic christchurch of georgetown cancelled sunday's service for the first time since

the 19th century, after a director tested positive for the virus. and now health experts say the virus is at a point of rapid acceleration here in the u.s. despite those claims from the president's top political appointees, that the virus is contained. >> i will still argue to you that this is contained. but it can't be air tight. >> it is being contained. and do you not think it's being contained? >> here in the united states, there's a very large outbreak in seattle. that's the one we know about. probably one in santa clara, maybe other parts of other cities. we're past the point of containment. we have to implement broad mitigation strategies. >> now, we're shifting into a mitigation phase which means we're helping communities understand, you're going to see more cases. unfortunately, you're going to see more deaths. >> so jonathan lemire, obviously, the surgeon general talking about we're past the point of containment, despite

what kellyanne conway said when he mocked the cbs news reporter on friday saying are you a doctor? are you a lawyer? why are you not telling the truth? actually, the reporter was right, kellyanne conway arrogant and lying at the same time. that's a nice trifecta. but what we saw this weekend, the numbers have exploded. stanford university cancelled classes. rice university, columbia. all of those we're talking about. we've obviously got the cruise ship with over 3,000 people with it. ben carson showed us basically absolutely no plan for what to do with that. again, the test kits, we're finding out more and more that the task, and the way the trump administration has handled this has been disastrous. but you started to see, yes, jonathan, that conservatives that have been mocking this outbreak, conservatives who thought that somehow a virus could be push add side side as

as the rule of law and political norms are suddenly scared. and the white house officials also, jonathan, and i want you to talk about this, white house officials now are telling reporters they are concerned. i'm sure they're telling you, they are concerned that the president's messaging and the president's attitude is wildly out of touch with reality. and they're concerned that they can't get him to message this correctly. and he's -- even last night, you saw that he was tweeting conspiracy theories. >> right. we have seemed to have reached a tipping point perhaps this week about this virus in terms of its spread. the realization, no longer the efforts to stop it entering the country were successful. but, rather, it's about mitigating those who are is already here. and the numbers are expected to go up in the days ahead. you're right, conservatives who mocked this previously.

including a congressman self-quarantined suggested this was an obama media plot to conspiracy theory. we saw ted cruz who said he will remain isolated for a week or so because he believes he came in contact with an individual at cpac, the conservative conference who was infected. there are a number of hig high-profile congressmen who believe they were contacted. and you put the vice president in front of it, with daily briefings with health experts. not all of the information was perhaps as accurate as it could would be. certainly, the cdc numbers don't line up in terms of reported cases, as far as what the states are saying and the european agency is saying but there is an effort by the white house to try to get behind this with the one voice. and the president can't cede the spotlight. he himself at the cdc delivered

a scattered message, not only with that, but with members of his own family. he admitted that the cruise ship off the coast of california, he wanted to stay there, because if the cruise ship came to the united states, it would add to the number of fatalities and prioritizing patients over health care. he even compared the availability of access of the test kits saying they were as perfect as his call to the ukraine leader, the call that eventually got him impeached. so there are suggestions from the white house, they know they can't control him, in terms of his messaging, but they're worried, joe, that this is a president who is far more concerned about his political future and trying to downplay the threat here. and by doing so may actually undersell what americans are thinking and put them in danger. >> not may be underselling, he has been underselling from the very beginning. said we had 15 cases and they

were all going away. talked about how this magically was going to disappear. talked about in a rally, hey, nobody in the united states has even died by this. the media is pushing this up as a hoax. their coverage is a hoax on how dangerous it was. and on friday, the president is wearing a campaign cat, he says he wants to keep a cruise line where basically people are imprisoned on a cruise ship. out of 3,000 people, 43 tests, half of those people tested positive. those people are trapped. and the president says he wants to keep them out of the united states and offshore. because if they come onshore, that will only raise the number of americans who have to be reported with coronavirus. and, yes, he says these kits that are nonexistent are perfect. and then also lied, as he always does, this time. and we actually did some

reporting this weekend on this particular lie, which we'll show you in a minute, where the president said if you want a kit, you can get a kit. if you want a test, you can have a test. everybody can have a test. that they're available. well, they're not even available in washington, d.c. and it seems all these lies are doing are lying up more concerns for americans and the stock market that we're looking at a black monday. i'm sure if it goes the way it seems, a lot of people in the markets are going to be calling this black monday. >> yeah, or something. it is worth emphasizing here that the president's priority all along, in the last few weeks whenever he's commented about the coronavirus has been to juice stocks. has been to try to sustain confidence in the markets. and what we have now is the biggest coordinated decline in global asset prices since 2008.

with financial prices since 1991, with oil prices. so that is the result of the president's confidence talking, attempts to talk up the market. i think whenever he opens his mouth now, the danger is the markets are going to plunge more steeply. if you think about his first real intervention, the day that he -- less than two weeks ago that he appointed mike pence as his coronavirus -- he said, look, we've only got 15 cases, real cases in america. and they're going down to zero. they're going down to zero. as he spoke, there was a new case found in washington state but we're now up to several hundred. if there were full testing kits available and a proper sort of math of this, the estimates that i'm hearing from specialists and epidemiologists is more like 20,000 cases across the u.s. so, every time the president

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♪ after vice president mike pence on friday confirmed that 21 people on board a "grand princess" cruise ship that's been held off the coast of california that tested positive for the coronavirus, the "los angeles times" reports the ship is expected to dock at the port of oakland with all of nearly 3,000 passengers set to be quarantined for 14 days at military installations according to the department of health and human services. keep in mind, they tested 46 people. 21 of them have the virus. this is hud secretary ben carson

yesterday. >> vice president met with the ceos of the major cruise ship companies yesterday. and they are coming up with a plan within 72 hours of that meeting. >> the ship's docking tomorrow? >> the plan will be in place at that time. but i don't want to preview the plan right now. >> shouldn't you be able to do that? >> i think it needs to all come from a solitary source. we shouldn't have 16 people saying what the plan is. particularly when it hasn't been fully formulated. >> well, the incompetence is just mind-boggling. you have this cruise line that we've known about for some time, we knew last week that there were 3,000 people on the ship. they tested 40, 45, half of those people tested positive. that means over 3,000 people still not tested. that was last week.

and ben carson is saying, he goes on and he's the administration spokesperson yesterday -- >> and a doctor. >> and they have no plan. dr. ben carson. they have no plan. they might have a plan in 72 hours, and he can't tell you anything about that plan. and it's like donald trump saying on friday, i don't want that ship to dock because that will just mean that there are more reported numbers the coronavirus, as if somehow those numbers, being reported somewhere, is going to change the reality. that's the thing, these people aren't in touch with the reality. the fact that the virus does not care about their stupid politics. the virus does not care about their stupid stunts on the house floor. the virus does not care about their stupid denials or attacks on the press or on democrats. or on international health

organizations. the virus is going to kill americans, regardless of their stupidity. or actually, because of their stupidity. i mean, help us out here, rev. did you see anything this weekend that gave you a reason to hope? >> not at all. not from this administration. when you look at very carefully what senator carson said, he said that they will have a plan in a few days. then when he's challenged, well, they're docking tomorrow. oh, that's right, they're docking tomorrow, but i'm not going to tell you what the plan is, because he just told you, they didn't have a plan. and we're playing games with people's lives. we are in danger. and put the protestant politics aside for a moment and your or my disdain for the president. for the president to stand there with a campaign hat on and try to keep people at bay so he can play with the numbers for political reasons, while we're seeing people of all parties, all races, all economic

backgrounds in jeopardy here is as callous and immoral and as sick as one can be. we're talking about something that may not happen, but that is happening. and that they're playing games with how it spins in some political back room. i think that we are in a very serious place. and if republicans and democrats cannot come together and call on this president to be honest and candid, we are going to be the ones that contribute to human life being lost. this is beyond the politics of the hour. coming up on "morning joe," during friday's coronavirus briefing, president trump was clearly keeping count. not on the number of new infections, per se, but rather, about the ratings at fox news. "morning joe" will be right back. ♪ we can't calculate our total taxes?

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♪ here was the president on friday talking about the cruise ship, when americans are basically imprisoned.

and the white house has absolutely no plans. >> 3,000 people. >> to take care of them. over 3,000 americans. take a look. >> they would like to have the people come off. i'd rather have the people stay. but i'll go with them. i told them to make the final decision. i would rather, because i like the numbers being where they are. i don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship. as of the time i left the plane with you, we had 240 cases. at least that's what was on a very fine network known as fox news. love it. that's what i happen to be watching. how was the show last night? did it get good ratings, by the way? that's what they tell me, i don't know. you know, my uncle is a great person, he was at m.i.t., he taught at m.i.t., i think, for a record number of years. he's a great super genius,

dr. john trump. i like this stuff. i really get it. people are surprised. these doctors say how do you know so much about this? maybe a have a natural ability. maybe i should have done that instead of running for president. that governor is a snake, inslee. if we came up with a cure and tomorrow everything is gone. and you went up to this governor who is, you know, not a good governor, by the way. if you went up to this governor and you said to him, how did trump do? he'd say he did a terrible job. >> so, here we are again, the president goes to the centers for disease control to try to calm americans' nerves. that's why presidents go there and let them know they're in charge. this president, of course, wearing a campaign hat which no president -- i'm sorry, maybe it's not a big deal, maybe you

don't think it's a big deal. he divides america in half. for those of you rolling your eyes, if barack obama had gone to the centers for disease control and won an obama/biden hat in 2012, you would have absolutely freaked out. so, he wears a campaign hat. richard, he says, i like the numbers where they are, talking about the infactions. he doesn't want the cruise ship to come onshore, because that will increase the numbers. which means he actually has a better grasp of reality. he talks about fox news, talking about how his ratings were at a town hall. again in the middle of this briefing. he talks had been his m.i.t. uncle again. super genius, he says all of the doctors asked how he knows so much -- none of the doctors asked that question. he's lying again. then he decides to choose the

governor whose state has bore the greatest brunt of this, who has had the most americans die there and decides to call him, quote, snake. he also lies about the test kit. as we said before, if you want a test kit, you can have a test kit and says they are perfect, just like this call to the ukraine. now, this is -- i don't have to even -- i don't -- this is what you call res ipso loquitor. he is unfit to be president of the united states. and unfit in one of the most dangerous times this country has seen, i'll say, since 9/11. and we don't know where this heads, but we know it gets much, much worse with this president. >> you mentioned 9/11, joe, nearly 3,000 people lost their lives. we're in the early stages of a crisis where i believe orders of

magnitude, more americans are in danger. so, let's just put that on the table. we're at a point that the numbers are going to take over. the word you're going to hear by the hour now is acceleration. we're in the acceleration phase. we have an administration that's engaging in truly uninformed sa sanguolin happy talk. and we're talking paid sick leave, we can't have a situation where sick people are going to work. we need a situation where the tests are accurate and available. we need to start discouraging large gatherings of american people. the kinds of things we're seeing around the world, this will be debated now. instead of denying the reality, ought to be having serious conversations about sporting events. about schools staying open.

we need some leadership. that's where we are. >> rich, they're still debating whether or not to have coachella or not. i want to know what planet the organizers are on. south by southwest bit the bulletin, they ended up losing 300, to $400 million. it's far more devastating if they had that. >> what about college grat las vegas gra gratation? >> and look at italy, they shut down a third of the country. >> right we're at a stage trying to keep people from coming in with the virus, we're past that. the question is how do you make a society, where the virus has already entered and spread, how do you make it less vulnerable? testing is central.

keeping sick people at home is central but also keeping people from gathering. if you have a thousand in the room, the odds of keeping them away from the virus is eventually nil. with cpac and apac the other day, italy is doing it on large scale in northern italy. you had critical mass of people who had come in probably from china and exposed the public. literally quarantine, what, 20 million people, if we want to avoid those kind of situations in this country is a month, now, we've got to start taking dramatic steps. what we're seeing is ostrich-like behavior out of the president and those around him. >> well, dr. fauci did say what's happening in italy, some form of that could happen here in the u.s. so, if you speak to the experts, you get expert information. in terms of this presidency, you know, the perfect call to the

president of the ukraine, that damaged our national security. saying to george stephanopoulos that he would take dirt on a political rival, that damaged our national security and made us less safe. his weird relationship with russia damages our national security and makes us less safe. but americans, when i speak about trump supporters, they can't see it, it's not something that is tangible. this will be different. this is where this behavior ends for this president. but let's not hope that it trachtrach takes the lives of more and more americans. >> what the hope is, what we said earlier, we hope that this president succeeds in getting out front on this crisis which is rising by the day. things are getting more dangerous. i must say, if you look at demographics, it actually gets more dangerous for all americans. but for those americans in their 60s and older, it gets more dangerous. a lot of those people are trump

supporters. now, donald, you can say whatever you want to say in the white house, but your supporters who are 60 and older are going to go to their doctors and their doctors are going to tell them, you're lying. they're going to believe their doctors over you. so you need to startling the truth every day. you need to stop tweeting out conspiracy theories. you need to stop talking about your ratings. you need to worry about protecting people. especially people 60 or older. be they republicans or democrats if they're not even political. your lies, your hopes that cruise ships can cruise around forever and go in circles and not reach shore -- first of all, that's cruel to those americans who are trapped on that cruise ship. but secondly, it doesn't change the reality that's happening right here in the united states of america. one final thing, mika, as we

talked about being more careful. listen, dr. fauci, your doctor. go to your doctor, they will tell you if you're 60 years or older, stay off of planes if at all possible. >> do not go on a cruise, anything with lots of people. >> stay out of crowds. just be careful, don't go in space where there are 1,000 or more people in the crowds. mika, what that brings us to, the three men, most likely the president of the united states are all in their 70s. and at least. two of them are not in peak health. they have underlying conditions. the president, of course, is obese. he's not in good shape. you look at him, despite what -- >> well, you can just see by the mored by obesity. that is clear. >> you can see the obesity, his diet, he's not healthy.

he's not until good shape. bernie sanders had a heart attack, we has an underlying condition. we don't know about joe biden's cardiac health. but we know one thing, they're all in their 70s. none of them look to be in tip-top shape. and they're all, of all of the people who are likely to have a severe reaction coming in contact with a coronavirus, they're all right in the center of that bull's-eye. so, the question is this, mika, i mean, do they continue campaigning? do they continue going around shaking hands? do they ignore the advice of dr. fauci? or do they start doing what ted cruz and others are doing and back off and actually start quarantining themselves? their doctors are going to have to answer that question in the next few days. coming up, it's a headline you just wish wasn't true.

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♪ all right. joe biden's lead among democratic voters nationally has surged. according to a new cnn/ssrs poll out this morning, biden at 52%, is up 28 points since january. the former vice president is 16 points ahead of senator bernie sanders who currently sits at 36%. joining us now is political science and election forecaster analyst at the casting center rachel bitecofer, recently came

to attention when her voting theories that voters no longer exist. rachel's newest piece entitled "hate is on the ballot." rachel, thank you very much for being in to talk about the piece. >> rachel, thank you so much. it's great having you here. you know, we -- so many people grew up, the old model used to be what richard nixon used to say to republicans is you move right in the primary. and towards the general election, you move towards the center, you try to pick up the swing voters. the george w. bush campaign in 2004 turned that philosophy on its head and they went for the hardcore bush supporters which is what you talk about quite a bit, negative partisanship. first of all, explain negative partisanship.

>> so, negative partisanship is a concept that comes from political science research into polar and negatives that people feel to the opposition party and obviously grounded in their own partisanship. emotions like apathy, dislike, distrust, often hate and fear. what i'm doing with negative partisanshippal p apal applies electoral behavior, voting behavior. and there's many different versions of it. the main driver of electoral behavior since donald trump got elected is this big turnout, surge of not just democrats but what i call the democratic coalition which is women, latinos, young people, college-educated voters. african-americans, just that whole coalition. some are democrats, some are independents and that having the massive turnout surges. so the politico piece that was

written about me overhead what is i argue about swing voters. i certainly argue that they're swing voters. they're often as not nonimportant as sold through analysts. and there are a fewer of them, a third of the electorate, certainly. and really, the most important swing about them that has been overlooked and that my research has gotten people to see is their turnout, their decision vote. >> being an old guy that i am, i remember 1988 very well. and in that election, there was a massive number of swing voters that moved from supporting michael dukakis in the early september to moving to support george h.w. bush in early fall. i think bush was down by double digits during the early

convention. when cdid we seeing in tiff partisanship. it has an impact in the clinton year. president wins two, years later, the other party wins. two years later, the other party elected. in off-year elections that seems now, what happens more often than not? >> yeah, i'll really glad that you're actually asking me the bigger picture question here because we get bogged down into specific election cycles and forget that we're talking about cyclical things that are embedded in long-term patterns. when we think about the 1980s, that's a really critical time in american politics because that's the full-throated time when the southern realignment was in its whole swing. we really did see reagan democrats who were ideological conservatives move en masse from

the democratic to republican party. what we're looking at now what i call the polarized era which begins in the '90s but solidifies in the 2000s where mass polarization starts to register for data for the public is much more than the electorate. and that's partially due to the fact that this concept from political science called party sorting has reached kind of a plateau where ideological conservatives are now sorted into the democratic party and liberals into the democratic party. and that has created less room for large swings. so as awful as trump is being president. the cdc appearance with the hat and the comments about barr, you know, mixed into a national in which. and which human lives on are on the line. those are not normal things. in normal politics in the '80s that would have produced a electoral map in 2020 that looks

very much like ronald reagan's landslide victories but we don't have an electorate that can produce a map like that anymore. no matter what donald trump does, even if he did shoot somebody on fifth avenue there will not be a map that looks like the ronald reagan map from 1984 and 1980, because of our party sorting and polarization. >> so, john heilemann, of course, because people fear donald trump's opponents more than they fear donald trump. it is all driven by fear. so if you're a trump supporter, you're more worried about nancy pelosi. you're more worried about bernie sanders, you're more worried about the media than anything donald trump could do. >> sure. >> that's exactly correct. >> just to follow up on the question, just to take to the next step, right. clearly, the map -- a map that looks like the one -- the one that you just talked about is a map that we're not going to see.

i do wonder, though, how far this analysis extends, right? you've got the likelihood now, or at least the prospect now that potentially the coronavirus could have massive economic impacts. >> yes. >> going forward. >> yes. >> where in the past, at least, the economy headed into recession, headed into a deep recession potentially in the third quarter, for instance, or the fourth quarter of 2020, would make it very difficult for any incumbent, even one who had much higher approval ratings that donald trump has had for the last three years, make it very difficult for that person to get re-elected. i curious whether that old kind of truth still holds or the elasticity that you're talking about is so profound that trump's prospects for re-election could essentially be unaffected even by a massive economic calamity as a result of this virus? >> that's such a great question, john.

i'm glad you asked that. adam abramovitz have argued, with the increased strength and drowned that out we have argued that a bad economy exerts more power, right? and it looks like we're going to get to test that, right? so, under my original theory and model i have, you know, trump losing the midwest again. starting at about 278 in the electoral college for democrats. and then arizona, iowa, north carolina and florida were toss-ups, right? so if the economy can still exert pressure, and it really does come down to, okay, voters will ignore a lot but not their own pocketbook, we would expect those toss-ups to go in democratic favor if we're in a recession, right? and if that doesn't happen, i

think it is really an indicator that the old -- the old fundamental model is dead. >> all right, rachel bitecofer, thank you so much. we'll be reading your new piece for the new republic. >> great to have you on, orache. >> such a plush. thank you. by the way, mika, breaking news here. the fed has just announced it's going to increase short-term funding to help keep lending markets afloat as there is growing concern about a drop today in the opening bell. up next, the first inside story of the women reshaping congress. and as we go to break, speaking of breaks, on know your value.com, i motivate you to focus on taking time to recharge and stay healthy. the problem is most women are afraid to ask for vacation days. so i bring in joe to show you easy it is to do that to get what you deserve. also on the site, comeback

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women's day, which was yesterday, we're taking a look at the historic 116th congress which boasts the greatest number of female members ever. at 106 women in the house of representatives and 25 in the senate. it's pretty good. joining us now, "new york times" political reporter jennifer steinh awe er, the author of "the firsts -- the inside story of the women reshaping congress." also with us, author lauren leader. she's the co-founder and ceo of "all in together," a nonpartisan women's civic and political organization. thanks very much to you both. jennifer, we'll start with your book. who were the firsts that you're looking at. >> i'm looking at all the women who won in the midterm election. i know that there's been a big focus on the squad. the liberal women who won in very strong democratic districts but there are so many women who also won that year who took out

republic men, mostly. some women, too, in seats to enable the house to flip democratic. and they did that really with the help of women, with female voters. >> i mean, lauren, let's talk about like what led up to this because it really seems to me that women step up when they're fed up and realize they're the only ones who are going to do all the work. and in this case, especially, i think there were so many women who were just inspired by what they were seeing, and a lot of it was really negative and sort of a slide back for women. >> absolutely. i think you can really speak to especially suburban women, black women as the engine of turnout. the engine of political participation. we saw this in the 2018 midterms as we talked about on the show but on super tuesday. really in many ways joe biden won in ways he did because of the mobilization of black women and the suburban women who are the same suburban women that turned out to turn all these districts in 2018 have turned

out for joe biden, and i think we'll continue to see that. they're fired up. i saw heidi's piece this morning about the women in michigan. this is a force to be reckoned with. it's not going anywhere any time soon. >> the book is "the firsts," and certainly another prominent historic moment with nancy pelosi. second time she's had this role. talk a little bit about what role she's playing here as perhaps a role model for some of these new congresswoman, but also looking ahead slightly is the second part. we talked about the huge numbers last time around. what does the map look like in 2020? are there more women running for the seats the next election? >> after elizabeth warren pulled out there was this sense, oh, women can't win elections. women can. when they get through primaries they win the same rate at men. the nevada legislature is now by small margin controlled by women. women can win and they do run and republican women have woken up to this and they're really pushing to field more candidates

this year. in both parties you'll see more women running. what's interesting about the 116th congress is you had more people of color. the first native american and first muslim woman. nancy pelosi was instrumental in getting a lot of these women elected. she helped their campaigns. campaigned for them. helped raise money through the dccc. we'll see her do that again this time. >> lauren, pick up on the point about elizabeth warren. there was a real sense of despair among some women, you know, you talk to and see on social media that yet another presidential cycle that goes by without a female president. in terms of how -- what can women do now to marshal that frustration and sadness going forward, not just this election but in the cycles to come? >> first of all, to me, there's very little question we'll have a female running mate regardless of who, whether it's bernie or biden. i think it's imperative and the message is getting to them loud

and clear. we've heard discussion about who is in the mix. but the reality is that part of what we've been saying to women for years is that you have to mobilize and engage in the political process, regardless of the candidate. regard whols is in the white house or is in congress. that's a message that women are really learning. they're beginning to mobilize. we're seeing black women volunteering for campaigns in record numbers. a massive sea change in the engagement. that's going to ensure that women's views, women's issues and women's concerns are really front and center in politics, regardless of who is in power. but we clearly need to see more women running. you mentioned republican women. only 13 republican women left in the house. this is a story that's been overlooked. i think we'll lose some seats in the senate. the road to a democratic senate leads through a number of women candidates in kansas, in maine and now in iowa where you're seeing, you know, the surge of the candidate running against joni ernst. big changes afoot. >> all right.

the new book is "the firsts: the inside story of the women reshaping congress." jennifer steinhauer, thank you, and lauren liter. thank you as well. final thoughts. we've been talking a lot today about the spreading coronavirus, john heilemann. talk about the politics of this as we look ahead to another set of primaries. >> yeah, i think, mika, there's a natural focus that we all have because of the nature of the nomination contest, because of the competition. there's winners, there's losers, all this stuff going on and all the drama we've had in the last week. but in reality, in the long run, this coronavirus thing could be the determining factor in the 2020 presidential cycle. and the way that it's headed right now, none of it in terms of the economics of it or what it's exposing about donald trump's leadership, none of it is going to work to the president's advantage. >> this is a test for the

president today. we saw his scattershot messaging at the cdc friday, his tweets this morning are all over the place. he's still in friday. he was to attend a health conference in florida that was canceled because of a coronavirus patient there. but will we hear from at some point today and what does he say and will he do anything to calm the markets and the citizens? >> and if they don't figure out how to handle the infected, how to test people, like other countries have, it's going to be bad. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, mika. hi. i'm stephanie ruhle. it's monday, march 9th. we begin with breaking news. stock futures are in free-fall partly because of the coronavirus and partly because of a new global shock. oil markets crashing all over the world after a dispute between russia and saudi arabia. led to the saudis dramatically cutting oil prices. that's helping drag down the whole market. dow futures pointing to a drop of mor t