hello, everyone. i'm ali velshi live from msnbc news headquarters in new york with tonight's special coverage. the race nar yoed down to essentially two major candidates former vice president joe biden and senator bernie sanders with polls now closed in the six states that held democratic primaries on tuesday. the results are good for biden. nbc news projects the former vice president winning michigan, the night's biggest prize which has 125 delegates. biden is also the projected winner in mississippi, establishing a crushing lead there over sanders. biden is also the projected

winner in missouri, a very big win there. fresh off the wave of victories biden thanked his supporters and reminded them who his campaign was for. >> all those who have been knocked down, all those who have been counted out, left behind this is your campaign. just over a week ago many of the pundits declared that this candidacy was dead. now we're very much alive. and although -- although there's a way to go looks like we're going to have another good night. tonight we are a step closer to restoring decency, dignity and honor to the white house. that's our only goal. but winning means uniting america, not sowing more

division and anger. it means having a president who not only knows how to fight but knows how to heal. >> all right, meanwhile washington state which has been hit hard by the coronavirus outbreak is too close to call. north dakota remains too early to call, and idaho is also too early to call. however, biden is leading there 1,991 delegates are needed to secure the democratic nomination if it were to be done on the first ballot. here's where the candidates are now. sanders trailing with 683. we've got our road warriors on the ground with reports from both campaigns and a group of experts here to break it all down. david clooney, the executive director of it black economic alliance and sher michael

singleton. nbc's mike memily. how are things feeling at the biden headquarters? >> you can certainly see it and hear it in those clips you just played. the fact we were supposed to be in cleveland today, had to shift locations because of the coronavirus, allowed some of those biden campaign staffers usually stuck in headquarters on a night like this actually be and celebrate with their boss. you can hear the applause from them. from biden himself you actually saw a different -- from candidate to potential nominee here at this point definitely trying to strike a different tone. when the week started, ali, the bideb campaign team were saying if the sanders team thinks the democratic primary electorate voters writ large have the appetite for a long drawn out bitter fight until the convention, they risk misreading

the mood of the electorate. and when they see the results tonight, then of course that biggest delegate prize in michigan they certainly feel validated and the campaign thinks they're potentially even one week being able to claim an insurmountable lead at this point. biden is trying to bring sanders' supporters in the fold. you heard him speak directly to them thanking them for their energy and passion. but at this point probably one more debate to get to first. >> what's going on in the bernie sanders campaign? >> reporter: ali, we didn't get to hear from senator sanders tonight but it didn't take a speech to know this was a disappointing night for senator sanders, a setback as his chief speechwriter wrote on twitter tonight. as aides and advisers told me going into this they were focused on a couple of key states. they were looking at washington. they were looking at idaho, and they were looking at michigan. michigan being the biggest source of pain for them tonight.

michigan was a state the one they saw as having symbolic significance for senator sanders. it was in 2016 despite the polls that showed him far behind he was able to make up that gap and had a surprising win. he was not able to make that up tonight despite the amount of effort he had in that state. he canceled the trip to mississippi that he had scheduled to go and spend more time in michigan. it was in michigan where you saw many of his top surrogates out in force. he stepped up his attacks against vice president biden. he put it all on the line in michigan and it just did not work for him. it also calls into question, and the loss tonight really calls into question that energy and excitement he says he can bring about. he says he can do that against donald trump, but right now he's showing he's struggling doing that against vice president biden. >> thank you shaquille bructer

in vermont. what's your thought on this? did i hear you tweeted or suggested at some point it's time for bernie sanders to think about dropping out? >> i think he has to, ali. looking at the math tonight i think it's almost certain bernie sanders does not have a mathematical path to becoming the democratic nominee. and if you go forward and look ahead to march 17th, you look at states like ohio and places such as florida, florida's a very delegate-rich state. looking at the current polling data that exists joe biden has a very strong lead ahead of bernie sanders and there's no reason for me at this point in time to believe that those numbers are going to change. and so i think if you're democrats you're thinking let's try to coalesce around the nominee as quickly as possible. and i think that person is joe biden. >> susan del percio, sir michael is conservative as are you.

is it in the interest of conservatives to say bernie sanders has no future right now? >> bernie sanders dropped out now so the democratic party can heal itself, and we don't see what happened in 2016 which there were still a lot of ill feeling about when hillary clinton did not get the full support of bernie sanders folks, so they need to have that happen much earlier. they can't wait until june. so it would make sense that way. plus when you look at where biden is winning, he's winning in the suburbs. that's where the turn out calculation has changed. and michigan was a really tough loss for bernie sanders because if he can't win michigan, he can't win ohio. and look at those voters and look where we're looking towards 2020 for the general election. there needs to be accountsing to take on donald trump who can win there. >> joy reid made an interesting point on twitter. she said in 2012 there were --

2008 black voters were waiting for white voters to say it was okay to vote for barack obama. and now it turned around that the most decisive group in favor of joe biden was black voters and looks like white voters are going, okay, he's got black voters, he's safe to vote for. >> so i think one thing we take away from this is clear. the impact of the black vote this has been a very good let's call it two weeks for the black vote. it's had a seat change on the whole landscape of this election. and what is clear is any candidate who's going to be successful has to not only court but earn the black vote. in 2016, for example, you saw a decrease in black voter turn out for the first time in 20 years of presidential elections. and if you are not speaking trectly to black voters and talking about issues germane to them, and we at the black economic alliance talk a lot about the economy, access to a work force that is inclusive, homeownership as a pathway to wealth building, things that

touch peoples pocketbooks and their every day lives. and any candidate that's going to have any opportunity to win has to be talking to black voters in specific and deliberate terms. >> we have a call to make right now. we've got some breaking news. nbc news is projecting that joe biden will win idaho. there are 20 delegates there. joe biden's being awarded 9. joe biden the winner in idaho with 96% of the vote in. he is running 48% to 46% against sanders there. right now tonight 178 go to joe bide mchb so far 110 to bernie sanders. this is the total toward the nomination. joe biden has 830 of 1,991 that he needs. bernie sanders has 685. those numbers will change over the course of the next 24 hours as we get more and more details in. pete dominic.

>> ali velshi. >> this is a night. and on one hand to what david was saying maybe african-americans voters are interested to feeling like they're in the game right now. the problem is our exit polling indicates there are a whole lot of bernie sanders voters -- there are a whole lot on either side saying they will not support the candidate, but there are a whole lot on bernie sanders side. when you look back to 2016 there were a whole lot who supported bernie sanders but when he didn't win the nomination voted donald trump. >> there is just no possible -- who cay sn say that? to say you're not going to vote for the democratic nominee is to admit you have a tremendous privilege because the supreme court is at stake. democracy is at stake. and the planet is at stake. and right now we have a pandemic. and if you think that joe biden and his administration wouldn't

handle it better than donald trump and his administration, i've got news for you. you've been completely duped. this idea you're not going to vote because you didn't get what you want, i'm as progressive as it gets. i would love to see bernie do better, but that doesn't mean you're not going to still be part of the game. what kind of a person, what kind of a life and what kinds of needs and securities do you need to be convinced that you absolutely have to vote for whoever the democrats nominate so we can get this mad man out of the white house? >> susan del percio to what degree if joe biden takes the nomination and doesn't get some percentage of bernie sanders' votes to what extent does joe biden benefit from moderate republicans maybe who will vote for him, never-trumpers, people who don't like donald trump but consider themselves republicans? >> that's why the 2018 was so important is that blue wave came

from the suburbs. we have consistently seen in the primaries that joe biden has won, he is reaching those voters again. they are coming out. that's where the change model turn out is happening. so it's -- i think -- that joe biden has a much better chance of appealing to those voters. and when we look at the states that need to do it you just need to have them push out a little bit and have turn out change a little more on the progressive side. that's how you beat donald trump. but you don't beat donald trump without those moderate democrats and republicans. they're the suburban voters. they just want people to have government back to normal. >> at "the washington post" has a piece where he says the republican mayor of a small city in crucial michigan just announced he's voting for biden over trump, that's an obama-trump county. you're going to see a lot more of that because it's joe biden.

>> and let's not forget hillary clinton was also disliked and kept a lot of people home based on her own luggage, frankly. >> we divide, we cut and paste and chop up different people based on the cross tabulations that we get in voting. let's talk about people like you. young, african-american, professional, college educated, conservative. what do you do? >> you vote for joe biden. i mean, i just have to be honest. i think if you're looking at both candidates and you're looking at bernie sanders and you're looking at joe biden, you want someone that you know on day one can hit the ground running, can do the job. joe biden's already been there. i'd like to say if you are an individual running the business and you're looking for a manager to manage the business, you're not going to go to the guy who has radical ideas but no experience doing anything, you're going to go for the guy who actually has experience getting the job done so you know

when the situation gets tough, you know when the difficult decisions have to be made. that person has the experience of not making those decisions at least being in the room in close proximity to the individual who is charged and tasked with doing so. and i think that's the difference between joe biden and bernie sanders. look, ali, i have to say joe biden has to do a good job of reaching out to some of those bernie sanders supporters because some of them may make a difference in some of the close contests coming up in and general. >> david, i'm just looking at some of our exit polling, and it continues to show remarkable and overwhelming support for medicare for all, which is far further than joe biden goes with basically the aca, with obamacare. now, anything would be better than what republicans are trying to do now, but how do you square that? americans coming out of these polls are saying -- democrats are saying they really want medicare for all, they want the things that bernie sanders has been pushing for.

they don't feel that joe biden is necessarily as committed to radical change or things that feel like change, and a lot of people in america want radical change. how do you square that? how does the joe biden somewhat moderate guy end up corralling all these people who are energized for change? >> let me start here. i think we're learning -- again, i will go back to the black voters, not a monolith. you have folks like sir michael and others who have identify said as conservative moderate and progressives. i think it issues that are driving the day we're getting away from identity politics. we're saying this is how i focus -- >> certainly amongst african-americans we've seen this. young, old, depending on your views you're going in different directions. >> absolutely. so wherever we're talking about in the country, candidates need to be speaking about the issues and talking to the need to get folks more included in the system whether it's medicare, whether it's access to capital,

whatever the issue is we need to be talking across the political spectrum and not trying to fit folks neatly into a box based on where they live or how they voted in the past. >> we'll take a quick break. the state of michigan announces its first confirmed case of coronavirus as the number of people infected thin united states surges. coming up, how the outbreak had an impact on today's vote and even sent the candidates scrambling. even sent the candidates scrambling rthritis. and take. it. on with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some... rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious infections and blood clots, sometimes fatal,

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. and as i've said all along that we would follow the guidance of the cdc, state and local officials and public health officials, with respect to our campaign events. we will continue to do that. this is a matter, this whole coronavirus issue is a matter of presidential leadership and later this week i'll be speaking to you on what i believe the nations should be doing to address this virus. >> former vice president joe biden in philadelphia following a last minute scramble to change the location of his speech. both he and bernie sanders canceled their tuesday night rallies after ohio public officials voiced concerns about coronavirus. the novel virus has grown to more than 1,000 cases in the united states doubling since sunday. tonight michigan announced its first two cases. joining us is a virologist who specializes in emerging diseases. pete dominic over here on my left just said to me because i was thinking about sneezing, if

you sneeze i'm going to punch you in the face. clearly we conscious of things we're not conscious of elsewhere. on social media i'm being told the media is leading everybody off this cliff of panic. conversations i've heard, certainly ones i've been involved here at msnbc don't suggest that at all. there are things you can do to protect yourself and your family, and there are things -- governments, institutions and employers can do, and there is some sense not all of that is being coordinated as well as it could be. >> chutely and you hit it right on the head with the panic. panic and fear and hyster iia are the second biggest in a pandemic. we tried to give you the data. that curve you just showed is what we would call an epidemic curve. we don't know how steep that curve is.

>> i'm going to ask my controller to put that curve back up because what we're trying to do there are curves linear and curves exponential. and we're trying to keep this sort of linear. we're trying to not make this double every few days. >> like most things in nature epidemics occur in a bell curve and how steep that bull curve is depends on when you intervene. without the diagnostics we can't lower or flatten that curve. >> because with each new test we do we have the likelihood of finding out more cases. >> we isolate, contact trace every one that that other person has come into contact with. we know the virus infects 2 to 3 people per person that has it. we know we have 1,000 confirmed cases so therefore we can assume we have 3,000 to 4,000 cases we don't know about and extrapolate from there those 3,000 to 4,000 have come into contact with others and goes on further. >> we're apparently going to have a million test kits out

this week. health and human services secretary says another million coming soon and ultimately another 4 million. what does it look like? once you've got a handle on this and test it, what does success look like at that point? >> success looks like we can tell you that you have or you don't, and we can tell you if you have it, stay home. still the message is this, 80% are going to be fine. young, healthy individuals you're going to get it, you're going to be fine. and a lot of people aren't taking that seriously and that's the big problem. because even if you yourself are going to be fine, we all know someone in the high risk group, diabetes, heart disease. >> if you can get it, you'll be fine but you can infect somebody and they can die. >> and this is not fear mongering. this is science, data, this is facts. in this country we have some of the highest numbers of the

people in those risk categories, heart disease, diabetes -- >> so when we hear from federal authorities that there's no reason to stay home and you're feeling a little bit under the weather, the reason to stay home isn't that you're going to die. the reason you may want to stay home is so you don't infect more vulnerable in the population. >> your parents, your grandparents anybody else you know that has those conditions. it's not just about the self. it's about protecting everyone. again that takes us back to diagnostics. without knowing, people don't know what to do. do i stay home and think i have the common cold or the flu, which more than likely you do, but without that diagnostic you don't know that. so we're flying blind. >> and you see reports like this in the "the new york times" and everywhere how delays in testing setback u.s. coronavirus response. so, again, one can be annoyed with and critical of the delays in testing. that doesn't turn it into a

political discussion. it doesn't turn it into pointing fingers. clearly you know enough to know dags. >> it's a natural disaster just like any other -- >> but the handling of it is something that in every instance people like you can be critical of a government administration because sometimes they do it right, sometimes they don't get it right. >> and first of all i'll say i've never been in an outbreak where a president has not been criticized. under the obama administration there was criticism of acting a little too late with ebola. it eventually led to a massive response which could have been mitigated had we acted earlier. lefrt or right we always criticize responses because they're natural disasters. >> susan del percio is concerned with it being allergy season. >> your eyes are watering, your nose may be running, it doesn't mean your sick but people are scared to be around you. i agree it's not a political

issue, but it seems to me in this particular situation it's the first time we saw the united states not leading and helping fix the problem. we waited for china to let us in after a while. normally the u.s. would be like, no, we're sending our doctors here, sending our doctors there. we seem for the first time to not just be leading from behind but not leading at all which is also kind of frightening because we are supposed to be part of a global community. >> i don't mean to stir it up here and make it a political thing but i've got to say it is a political thing. the president of the united states doesn't care about us. he doesn't care about us. he doesn't care about the public. you talk about in past administrations mistakes were made. of course, at the gubernatorial level and at the federal level. of course they are. but you have the right people in place. you believe the numbers, you understand the signs. this is president who has no understanding or interest in science, any kind of science. and he does not care about us.

he only cares about the numbers. >> he made it political by going after democrats. >> i totally hear you and i share that view. and i would say other people are having to step up because the government is not giving proper guidance on what gatherings should look like. however, you have seen on social media there are hashtags going around that sort of imply, some of them are absolutely racist. some imply this is chinese thing. so the issue is while i think we can accept the fact the president has not taken up the mantle of leadership i think we can also accept the fact the president didn't start the virus. >> the president didn't start the virus but the president of the united states is the person in charge, and nobody trusts him and nobody feels safe with him. and right now i feel like you're a little bit in my space. >> we are actually in each

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here's where the primary results stand. right now joe biden projected to

win michigan, 85% of the votes are in. 53-37. in missouri joe biden is projected to win there. and it's 60-35. in mississippi this is blow out for joe biden with 89% and 81-15. and new this hour, nbc news projects biden wins idaho as well, 96% in 48-43. there are two outstanding races roilgts right now. washington state is too close to call right now. 69% in and a very, very tight race. north dakota 63% in. sanders leading there but still too early to call there. we're still waiting for more counting. but most of the attention is on michigan which has 125 delegates. biden has a big smile on the front page of wednesday's detroit news. another story across michigan, the turn out with thousands of new voters registering that day. >> additionally more than 13,000 people registered and voted today.

with nearly half that number, just over 6,000 doing so after 4:30 p.m. today. we don't have the exact data yet, but we expect that many of these people were young first time voters. it's a great thing. >> now, those first time voters led to long lines especially among college students. this is the first time the state has ever allowed same day registration. leave reporter for m-live joins me now. she wrote about today's long lines. what do you make of the lines you saw today? >> yeah, i was in east lancing today, home of michigan state university. i talked to a lot of voters who were standing in line for an hour or more and actually saw some reporting people were still standing in line after the polls were closed. if you're in line in michigan by 8:00 p.m. you can still cast your vote. so it was definitely a little bit of a chaotic scene there. there were people eating pizza and throwing their ballots

against the walls so they could sign-up on a hard surface there. so i think that a lot of students were casting their votes for the first time, and i talked with a couple who had been registered in their hometowns but wanted to cast a vote in today's primary in east lancing. >> what's your sense of when they're voting for? >> bernie sanders. i mean, it's no secret he has a big prevalence of support among young people. his rally in ann arbor and another sit with long lines drew 10,000 people over the weekend, and they too were experiencing some really long lines. one of my colleagues talked with a student there who said she was actually motivated to come register and vote after she had seen him speak there this weekend. >> emily, thank you for joining us. emily, a lead reporter for m-live. what do you think of this, young people, long lines, excitement, enthusiasm, and bernie sanders? >> i like long lines that it means a lot of people want to

vote. what i don't like is are long lines in polling places and i have said on tv this year and i regret there wasn't enough young people enthusiastic about bernie sanders. the truth is there wasn't as enough as he would have wanted and needed in the end. i think a lot of the story tonight is that the black voters are king makers in mississippi and missouri and in michigan and the other story is that bernie sanders, maybe it wasn't that, you know, he was better than hillary clinton back in 2016. a lot of people are talking about that tonight and joe biden, people just for whatever reason feel safe. >> is shermichael still with us? >> i'm still here, ali. >> let me ask you about this, about young people and i think you're like the young guy on the team here. >> thanks. >> about enthusiasm. whoever ends up running against

trump we're going to have two old guys running against each other. young people -- you tell me what it is but ultimately the idea that big ideas can take place, that big thinking can happen, that they are really concerned about the climate, they're really concerned with social injustice, they're really concerned with income disparity and they want someone who talks a big game, and of the three major characters in the race right now bernie sanders is that guy. >> he is that guy. although based upon the numbers we've seen so far he has underperformed in comparison to how well he did in 2016 against former secretary of state hillary clinton. look, i think a lot of people based on some of the variables you just laid out are concerned about climate change and capitalism and income inequality and the impact those things have on the human capital. and i think bernie sanders has done a pretty effective job in speaking directly to trying to level the playing field. it reminds me, ali, you're a numbers guy.

a long time ago when we were in the age of american regulatory capitalism where the government heavily regulated every single market and i think in many ways bernie sanders sort of talks to a return to that but in a different format, but i would say to people around my age that politics just doesn't work that way. you have to build consensus to get things done, and i think joe biden is someone who's proven that he has a history of background to do just that. things don't happen overnight, ali. and it sounds great to say i'm going to come in and shake everything up and destroy it and start over again, but i would caution against that and say look what has happened under president trump. he was someone who promised a lot of voters i'm going to go into washington and destroy things. well, he's destroyed a lot of things, and it hasn't been to the benefit of this country. >> let me ask you about this, david, because for people who want and need economic shifts in economic structures, that's big. right, if you're african-american in this country

the things you need, the power shifts you need to benefit economically are not along the margins. they're not easy things. black wealth in america is 0.10 that of white wealth in america. that's housing, that's jobs, that's generational wealth. why is bernie sanders not registering more with african-american voters because they like young people in this country need something that feels like revolutionary change not incremental change. >> what we know is this for years there have been a number of institutional obstacles erected to keep black folks out of a number of american institutions, financial opportunities, entrepreneurship, homeownership, and what we know also from the work we do at the black economic alliance from talking to voters, from listening sessions, from polls, from studies we do is what works is inclusive capitalism. and so what we are trying to do

is -- and i think what voters are looking for candidates to speak to is how to create more pathways for more black people to get into the system that have worked for so many other americans, not completely blow up is system and hope a new one can weplace it. so the answer is finding pathways to get more people -- >> just rephrasing it it's not necessarily blowing up the system, it's gnat you have a system, can we have more ways into it? >> many have been looking for their fair shake and opportunity to -- >> to that point let's not forget bernie sanders has never wanted to open a door or pathway. he's said you have to be with me or not with me. there's no back and forth. he's been in washington since 1991, longer than most of his supporters have been alive. he has not done anything to be more inclusive or truly effective. >> except for advocating for medicare for all. >> and he's moved it how far because he's not willing to say

that it's all or nothing with him. but doing his job in d.c. trying to build coalitions, that's not how he's done it. to david's point if you're looking for doors, if you're not welcome because you don't agree with them 100% that door's still shut. >> if i could do so white-splain and really -- >> careful. >> i'll be careful but you explained a very thoughtful, you know, economic idea about pathways to opportunity and so on which is important, but it's also from everything i've read and everything i'm understanding is black folks are terrified that donald trump can win again, and so they're going to go with a guy they think can win, and that's the guy they know, and that's joe biden. >> let me say this there's also

been, again, black vote not a monolith. you had some black voters who believe donald trump who said he's done very well by black people and think the economy is doing better -- >> six of them. >> and mostly men. >> indeed. and not only go after the progressive, not only go after the democrats but he's speaking to a message how do we create more systems to get more people -- >> shermichaels do you speak to a lot of people who think afric african-americans have done well under trump? >> i know a handful of republicans, ali, who are african-american who do believe that, but they are not representative of african-americans writ large even though we are very diverse in our political thought. i want to just say this. i think older african-americans are very calculating in the way they process voting and their voting behavior. and i think for them they're

thinking not just about themsives but they'ring what's to come for the next generation because they've lived through a lot of difficult things in this country. and for a lot of them i've talked to my grandparents, and we had an hour conversation about the election coming up in november, and she said more than anything else i'm worried about you, i'm worried about when you have children. i've seen how ugly things can be, i don't want that for you. and so for many joe biden is the individual to be a roadblock, if you will, against many of the very negative things that a lot of older african-americans people see in donald trump. they understand, ali, it is easier to destroy than it is to build. and to build takes time. and they recognize that, and i think a lot of younger voters really have to be realistic about the process. that's not to say, ali, that we shouldn't have change.

the process is far from perfect. but what it is to say is you have to have someone in there first that can open the doorway so you can begin the process for the type of change that you want. you cannot begin that with the current person in the white house? >> i will say, though, a number of the companies that have increased their minimum wage although in most cases it's just demand for workers they have credited bernie sanders' movement in the fight with that. he has done things. when it comes to wages and pushing for the concept of medicare for all, the fact he's convincing the majority of voters to say he actually -- that we would actually do this even though they're voting necessarily for somebody else -- right it's a conundrum, but he's right. all right, we're coming right back. right. all right, we're coming right back (groans) hmph... (food grunting menacingly) when the food you love doesn't love you back, stay smooth and fight heartburn fast

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idaho, 96% of the vote in there joe biden getting and washington remains too close to call. very little difference there with 69% of the vote in, about 2,000 votes separating them. north dakota is too early to call. 63% of the votes in there. sanders had the lead. here's the total delegate count right now. of those assigned you need 1,991 votes to win on the first ballot. sometimes they move too fast for me. up next president obama notably silent as speculation builds over who gets his backing and when. we'll be right back. s his backi when we'll be right back. ntix can heu quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives,

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i think when the night is over joe biden will be the prohibitive favorite to win the democratic nomination. and quite frankly if the night ends the way it has begun i think it is time for us to shut this primary down. it is time for us to cancel the rest of these debates because you don't do anything but get yourself in trouble if you continue this contest when it's obvious that the numbers will not shakeout for you. >> that was majority house whip jim clyburn calling for uty in the democratic party and urging voters to rally around joe

biden. his endorsement swung south carolina voters towards biden and resulted in a landslide victory for biden after he hadn't one in the first four primaries. as one african-american politician stumps another stays silent. vanity fair reported former president barack obama has chosen not to weigh in on the 2020 democratic primary race. we're going to see are we going to see an endorsement from obama before the democratic convention in june. and joining us now, joining me now to discuss is brittany cunningham, a former member of president obama's policing task force. great to see you again. what do you think is going to happen? obviously at some juncture when it becomes clear who's winning is he going to do it at a time when it tips the scales? >> i'm not sure he's going to do it at a time when it's going to tip the scales but at i time he

was really focused on the details and whatever emerged from the work being done was clear from such from the people they could follow along. so he's really paying attention to the sentiment in this country, to the divisions we're seeing in the party. i think he's playing very close attention to whether or not young people are going to be excited enough to come out for whoever the nominee is, and he's going to leverage the? stipgts and expertise he has from his own time in office and running two successful presidenti presidential campaigns to not only bring people together but get the nominee to do the things it will take to defeat donald trump. >> what is the leadership that obama can provide when it comes to the general election that either of these candidates and presumably biden can most benefit from? obviously biden was with him every step of the way for the two elections in which they were president and vice president. so what's the je ne sais quoi that obama brings?

>> i think it's two things. first of all it is an understanding of how young people work in this country. when we look at the work the obama foundation has continued to do after mr. obalma has exited office we see a continued engagement with young folks. and young people are critical in the turn out for ensuring the white house goes blue again. so i think there is clearly a pathway and a plan that the obama campaigns have used previously that have been very successful in turning out youth voters, getting them excited and engaged and figuring out how to have them engaged. the second secret weapon is michelle obama. she continues to be an incredibly powerful and impactful figure on the public scene no matter the background of the person. i think she'll be someone we see come out hopefully and really get people to recognize this is moment unlike any other and that their voices need to be heard. >> what do you think? >> i think president obama is,

you know, obviously the secret weapon for any nominee for any politician and his convention speech for joe biden is going to be if it's joe biden is the nominee you don't want to count bernie sanders out completely yet. his convention speech is going to be personal, powerful and not only that he's going to go out on the road if we're able to have rallies and he's going to be stomping for his vice president. let's not forget how passionate, how intelligent the former president and is how much disdain i'm sure he has for president trump. he's going to go out and there do every single thing he possibly can, and he has been holding his fire as professionally as he could, and you're going to see a very strong, very, very vocal president obama out there on the trail especially if it's joe biden. >> susan, is there somebody to whom obama will appeal not getting out there and doing what pete says wouldn't get the candidate? >> what we can do we have a road

map. we know from 2016 where people didn't show up, there were obama voters that didn't show up, we know where they are. so that's going to be the real difference, and i think the point just made about michelle obama is excellent because she can really i think do a great job on turn out. >> thanks, everybody. we're going to take a quick break. a former member of obama's 21st century policing task force and a big thanks to my guests this hour. thank you for watching our special live coverage. i'm ali velshi. you can watch me saturdays and sundays at 8:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. good night. n msnbc. good night

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before that race. well, the majority of democratic primary voters tonight are signaling they are coalescing around joe biden and moving toward a new phase of this campaign. there are some things in the exit polls that really jump out, african-american voters coming out overwhelmingly for biden. biden also winning a lot of white rural particularly in michigan that hillary clinton had not won in the primary last time around. we're going to talk unt that. and also the enormous generational divide in the democratic party. older voters backing by huge margins. the story of the campaign thus far is that older voters have been coming out in droves and younger ones have not. also of course we're conducting this election night amidst an ongoing public health emergency that has already been impactering our daily lives. both biden and sanders canceled their planned rallies tonight.

almost certainly the right thing to do and biden did speak a short time ago to a room that included only campaign workers and the media. the dnc also announced today it would hold its presidential debate this weekend in phoenix with no audience. right now there's a palpable sense the country's in crisis and a move among democratic primary voters today having a nominee. beginning tonight msnbc national political correspondent steve kornacki live at the big board. first, give us an overview what we know at this point. >> so three big states where we've got a big picture right now. 15 point advantage for biden. they're still counting up votes especially in the city of detroit, so there's more to come here but a solid victory for biden. one is look, this color here, this is the biden blue. just compare what this map looked like, this sanders purple color was the same color on our map in '16.

this is michigan tonight. let me show you what this map looked like four years ago tonight. it was almost entirely sanders purple when he got that victory over hillary clinton, and tonight you can barely find a bernie sanders county on here. a couple of things we can tell you where this victory comes from from joe biden. first of all the black vote in michigan overwhelmingly for joe biden but it was overwhelmingly for hillary clinton four years ago for sanders so it's basically stable the black vote in michigan. where you saw significant movement in michigan it was among white voters. collectively in 2016 bernie sanders won the white vote in michigan 14 points over hillary clinton. oh, we got more from you, chris. >> sounds like -- >> i think you got some news. >> no, i was just saying under my breath wow about the plus 14 for sanders just because of the ways in which we're understanding that state and the primary race last time structures s this time. >> it was plus 14 last time and

tonight sanders lost it by 6. a swing of 20 points there among white voters. black vote basically stable, 20 point swing among white voters. that's what it adds up to. >> to the extent we have exit polling on african-american voters where there's just been an overwhelming resounding, you know, win by joe biden. >> yeah, i mean take mississippi, for example. this is in the south here, 87-11. what this means for sanders is consistent to everything we saw last week for super tuesday in south carolina. it's the same thing that happened to him in 2016. he just cannot break through with black voters. he got 9% here in mississippi in 2016 among black voters. tonight he gets 11%. and as we're talking right now he's in danger of missing that threshold to even get statewide delegates. if it doesn't land at 15.0, he

doesn't get statewide delegates in mississippi. >> thank you for sticking around for us. i want to turn now to robert gibes, white house press secretary under president obama. the first thing is when we look at the sort of projected delegates joe biden comes out somewhere in the 160 delegate lead. david has been saying before the votes were cast in new hampshire if you get a delegate lead, it's hard to give it up. >> we don't have winner take all so you're going to get this proportional delegate distribution unless you're getting 65% of the vote or 70% of the vote in states upcoming you're not going to add appreciatively -- when we look at the state of washington they're only separated by 0.10 two tenthings. bernie i should say won

washington's delegate count by 47 four years ago because it was a caucus. to split it tonight is to take a lot off the board. and again, i think for bernie it was a night in which his path narrowed considerably. the real estate ahead is much tougher, and as we talk about the margins now have to be a lot bigger in places where it's really going to be hard. >> you know, i hear people talk about reassembling the obama coalition. and primary coalitions are different. i heard this from certain people saying so-and-so won the primary in this state. that doesn't mean they win the general. >> as evidenced by michigan. >> that said one thing i'll note is this. when you think about the obama coalition and i can attest to this personally in my social circle, there was tremendous young voter enthusiasm around bell-bottom. it was almost like a cliché.

that's the one part of the that equation we're not seeing here. i want to show the missouri poll numbers. again, these huge generational divides. 55% of 30 to 44-year-olds and it inverts the further up you go on that. how much does that matter wb you think? >> i think it's a big deal. i think there's no doubt unless you can get young voters excited and get them pulled out on your side, look, i think by any account that the number of voters that are expected in that under 29 age cohort will be i saw one estimate it will be 10% in 2020. that's a big jump. and if you don't have folks excited and i think what it probably means going forward is there's probably some policy adjustments some excitement. and i think it'll be really important how these campaigns

interact with each other in the next month or so bringing together the coalitions they each have because i do think the one thing that will unify these younger voters is who's in the white house now. and i don't think this should be down-played. but it won't alone build a bridge because as you've seen it, it's a stark contrast. i mean, when you're joe biden and you're winning less than 20% or 22%, 24% you've got a long way to go. >> it's funny because i think one of the things this generational divide has been so funny from the beginning everyone has priced it in but it's not usually like this. this is a sort of phenomenon of the democratic party particularly when you see this polling on socialism, people under 30s saying i like socialism, people over 60 being like i absolutely do not like socialism. >> i do wonder though if you're a younger voter and you've watched this primary play out

and you've talked ability this a second ago the labels of socialism, the only thing you've heard about joe biden's lane of the electorate is he's a moderate. in reality if you take what joe biden has proposed in this campaign versus what was proposed four years ago or what was the sort of kind of ante up policy at the end of the obama administration it's -- biden's going to have to do a better job of this. bernie's going to have to bring that coalition on it and explain to them just as michael moore said, you can't change the system if you're not in control of part of the system to change. and that'll be an interesting conversation to have. >> i want to bring into the discussion joshua johnson, karim john pierre and richard kim. one thing i've had my eye on the whole time aside from the

results has been the absolute turn out. and in the beginning i think there were some worrying signs. the iowa number was what people wanted it to be for sure. the new hampshire number was pretty good but not great. but as we've gone on we've seen very good turn outs. virginia and strong turn outs in michigan though we don't have all the votes. what's your understanding of what's going on there? >> look, i think and i think you were alluding to this, gibgs, which people are saying right now and we see this in the polling we want to beat trump, he needs to go. and the folks, the people who are leading that conversation is black voters. and they have been saying that, ringing that bell over and over and over again. and we have to think about this. in south carolina, right, for biden the firewall with south carolina, that was the first time a large group of voters, black voters were able to vote. and when they did that, when they were able to vote, they made it clear of what they

wanted, and they catapulted joe biden for whatever reason because he's connected to obama, because they feel he's an older white guy who's in the white house who now can beat this guy who's in the white house. whatever it is, they wanted to beat donald trump and they made that very clear, and it happened in south carolina. and that momentum just took over. we have to remember momentum beat organization. momentum beat money, and this is not a regular primary that we're seeing right now. >> richard? >> i think the other side of that turn out is, you know, bernie sanders said before the iowa caucus if you turn on the tv and the moderator says the turn out is large we win. if you turn on the tv and the moderator says the turn out is small, we lost. the really expensive grand

experiment that the sanders campaign ran which is can they turn out disaffected voters, can they turn out young voters, can they turn out the people jessie jackson called rocks just laying on the ground? that did not work. that did not work on super tuesday, it did not work today. i know it's a tough moment now but going forward that is really important thing to look at. >> it's even crazier than that in some ways. because it's not just that this very sophisticated operation of the sanders campaign put together, and we should say the warren campaign -- it's not even that it's that joe biden basically didn't run a campaign anymore. they didn't really run a lot of ads. they couldn't afford to. they had very little money. it was unclear whether they didn't have to or not until it was. >> he won in states he didn't

campaign -- >> does anybody out there -- raise your hand if you don't know who joe biden is. he didn't have to. to the point you are making i think that the turn out this time around was a little different for more progressive voters because it was polled in by a number of different candidates. warren got some of them, bernie sanders got some of them. tom steyers had an existing e-mail list for his activism with next gen climate list. they were kind of diffuse this time, the different candidates tried to coalesce around bernie sanders. i think this race is also -- as a floridian this makes me feel a little invenvious of my former state of california.

and it's not like florida, illinois and ohio don't matter but as of tonight they might not. they might not be consequential in this primary and so for younger voters, for voters the coalition is trying to bring in, i can totally understand how they might look at this year's primary and go oh, this is decided in late january, early february and say you don't need me. >> they are consequential in the fact that the make-up of that state means the momentum that has been establish by the biden campaign isn't going to change in either of those three states. what biden kind of unleashed as it stands right now if we get to that point florida would be big. illinois was close. ohio is a state that looks a lot like michigan, and you have to think -- >> what it feels like as a native floridian to be told -- >> i can assure you in late october when you can't watch any

tv you'll feel loved. >> as a florida voter especially because florida is such a fascinating state for politics in different reaches of the state you have this primary process where you have a chance to choose a nominee but you don't really because it's kind of done at this point. and in november you come back and oh, you didn't need me in the primary, you need me in november, i guess i'll show up. >> we should note of course we're talking about next week's states tuesday and there's a debate between now and then. it's not like there's no campaign being run there. >> but bernie sanders not speaking tonight, i think it may be telling. >> going back to biden and it isn't attached to like the infrastructure and field operations and small donors, right? and i know nicolle wallace was expressing astaunsment at that earlier. i i agree it's astonishing as a fact.

i would not necessarily be here filled with confidence right now that is condition of the biden campaign on the ground and i think something they will need to answer very soon in the next two weeks, one month is can they scale that up. >> i don't think anyone at this table would think, like try to run that in november. i think everyone thinks that's probably not the case. robert gibgs, i'm going to let you go. everyone else i'm going to ask you to stick around. when we come back we're going to check in with our reporters next. don't go anywhere. h our reporte next don't go anywhere.

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and i want to thank bernie sanders and his supporters for their tireless energy and their passion. we share a common goal, and together we'll defeat donald trump. we'll defeat him together. >> joe biden just over an hour ago speaking before some of his campaign workers at the national constitution center in philadelphia, urging unity after a string of victories in today's democratic contests. nbc news correspondent mike memoli, who has been covering the biden campaign, joins us now live from philadelphia. what's the mood over in the biden camp this evening? >> reporter: well, chris, you've seen a pretty significant shift from the biden campaign in just tonight. we began this past week with the biden campaign really eager to put the sanders message on its head.

you've heard the former vice president at every campaign stop this week saying that he is the candidate of enthusiasm, of momentum. he wanted to continue to coalesce the sort of moderate establishment wing of the party around him and put the bernie sanders team on notice that with the kind of turnout that he's been generating with african-american voters and among suburban swing voters, that he is the candidate really who has the real lock on this nomination. tonight you've seen a real shift, though, and that was joe biden as you just played in that clip speaking to bernie sanders as he's been speaking of his other former rivals, welcoming them into the fold, saying to the bernie sanders team, you know, that they are sharing the same goal in november. and so the biden campaign knows that the map only gets more favorable for them at this point going forward. they know that they're probably a week away from being able to say that they have an insurmountable lead on the nomination, something that we were saying bernie sanders looked like he was about to do only a few weeks ago, chris.

>> all right. nbc news correspondent mike memoli, thank you. i want to turn now to nbc news political reporter shaquille brewster who has been following the sanders campaign. he joins us from vermont. the senator choosing not to speak this evening, spending the night in vermont. what should we make of that decision? >> reporter: well, it's the first time, the first election night where we're not going to hear from senator sanders. you know that he was supposed to be in cleveland, ohio. he was going to have that big election-night rally but that canceled after concerns about coronavirus. the governor there, mike dewine, cautioning against those kind of large-scale indoor events. so his campaign canceled that event and instead he flew here to burlington where for a while we didn't know if he was going to make any comment. it was in the past hour or so where we heard that senator sanders was not going to make any comment tonight. i'll tell you it is clear for this campaign that the loss in michigan was a big loss for them. just to be clear about where they were setting expectations, talking to his senior team in the past couple of days, they were looking at washington state. they were looking at idaho. then they were looking at

michigan. michigan being of course the biggest delegate prize for them but also michigan having some symbolic significance for them. this is a state that in 2016 he surprised people and was able to pull out that win despite the polling that you saw. he was not able to do that tonight despite the resources that he had. he left mississippi. he canceled trips in mississippi to instead go back to michigan. he aired four television ads, two of them going after vice president biden directly, and he had his team of surrogates in the state of michigan. and despite that, you still saw that big margin in that state. it does call into question one of the central arguments that senator sanders makes and you hear it all the time, chris, that he can bring the energy and excitement needed to take on president trump. he says he'll be able to drive turnout in those midwestern states president trump flipped in 2016. if he's not able to drive that turnout in the democratic primary, it does call into question whether he's able to do na in the general election. when he was in detroit today

when he stopped by some polling locations, he took some questions from reporters. one question i asked him was did he see a path to the nomination that did not include winning a majority of african-americans in the south. we know that on super tuesday, african-americans in the south went for biden, six in ten. his answer to that question was he didn't think of that. he brought it back to the greater idea that he has the momentum and that he has this movement that he wants to be able to build. we saw tonight the effect of not focusing on african-americans enough and not thinking about that enough, and it's something that his campaign is going to have to answer to once we finally do get to hear from the senator, hopefully tomorrow. chris? >> all right. shaquille brewster, thank you so much. still ahead, we'll talk about what happens next after tonight's big elections. stick around. can my side be firm?

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all right. we are just over the midnight border of this sort of super tuesday lite that we had this evening. six states voting. that's the results right now as we have them from washington state. washington, of course, a state that i think to their great glee has vote by mail as they are battling a very intense coronavirus outbreak there. it's too early to call. the delegates won tonight as far as our estimates across the states that we are tallying and

tracking, you see joe biden emerging, adding to his lead of about 67 delegates up. and that puts him in the ballpark of about 150 delegates up on joe biden. of course still quite a long ways to go in terms of the total math, but as we keep stressing, those delegate leads because of proportional allocation of delegates in the states in the democratic primary, the larger you build one up the earlier, the harder it is to claw back. we're back at the table. let me start with you, sam. the sanders campaign saying they will be going ahead to the debate on sunday, and then there's campaigning to do in illinois and ohio and arizona. what do you think about the dynamics of where this campaign is, what tonight meant, what that debate looks like. >> well i mean it was obviously not a great night for bernie sanders, but i mean we have seen -- just your reporter in the last segment said, you know, where we were two weeks ago so dramatically different from where we are today. and you look at the polling and you see that 60%, 70% of people are not voting based upon

ideology or policies. >> no. >> they're voting based upon who they think can win. >> mm-hmm. >> and really the only indication that they've gotten that joe biden can win has been a function of a slew of endorsements that bernie sanders has not gotten. there is yet to be a debate where we've seen joe biden sit down with one person, actually engage in that way, and i think that's a really important thing. and i think there's a lot of things that could happen during that debate. we had multiple ones in 2008 of just two candidates. same in 2016. i think there's a lot more time to go here. i think joe biden has a lot more to prove in that regard because there's, you know, there's no more major endorsements that can happen. they're all basically done, and

now joe biden, the focus is going to be on joe biden. can he deliver in the way that the voters have been basically told that he can deliver? >> it strikes me that it's almost like the debate on sunday night is like the final boss in the video game for joe biden right now. like he has made it very far. to your point, there were questions earlier in the campaign about his effectiveness as a communicator, about his ability as a debater specifically. those have ebbed, i think, recently. >> well, but why they've ebbed -- >> well, they've ebbed in the minds of voters. >> well, it's ebbed in the minds of voters, but the reason why they've ebbed is his own campaign pulled him back. they don't want him speaking at these rallies. they don't want him out there that much. that's an interesting strategy but there's going to be a time where there's only two people. >> i agree he has to pass that test. i also think this represents an interesting moment for bernie sanders to reset some of the campaign and the expectations, and i want to hear him talk to two issues specifically. one is obviously coronavirus. i mean if you look at the moment

we're in, medicare for all, paid parental leave, paid sick leave, prescription drug importation on the first day of his presidency, this should be a really good moment for sanders to speak to those issues and to make the case for those policies. the other issue i want to hear him talk about is fracking, and the massive overleveraging of energy companies here in the united states and what that means for the economy. you know, there is a way in which the best bernie sanders is the person who speaks to those issues when he's sort of counted out, and i wouldn't be surprised if there is, you know, an appeal that comes out of that debate, if not something that changes the dynamics of it. >> we should note as the dynamics shift second to second, we just crossed 1,000 coronavirus cases. we had about 500 just a little more than 36 hours ago, so we are on a very steep exponential curve right now. it's a curve that's familiar if you look at countries that have

gone before us in the epidemic, most notably china and italy. things are changing very rapidly, but one of the questions i have is about the shape of the campaign against the backdrop of that. they're not going to be doing campaign rallies. it wasn't just well tonight. that's not going to be happening. >> right. >> the actual mechanics of voting may start to be a challenge at a certain point depending on the level some localities are at. then there's this general feeling of the nation is in crisis and who can lead. >> you can say over the past week or so, the coronavirus has been happening, the pandemic has kind of overshadowed the campaign a little bit. >> it absolutely has. >> now we're seeing it actually having a function within the campaign, which is i think this is why if the debate happens on sunday, it will be incredibly important because one thing that we've learned during this primary season is that moments matter. >> yep.

>> right? when we talk about momentum, south carolina mattered to joe biden, and it took off. so if that moment of just the two of them onstage, having that mano a mano, having that debate, and two days later you have florida, illinois, ohio, arizona, really key important states, if either of them do not do well or being able to grow in that moment, then who knows what could happen on tuesday? >> it's funny in a way. first of all, i should note speaking of coronavirus for people that haven't heard, we will be doing an hour about coronavirus at 1:00 p.m. eastern. we want to hear your stories and want to know what you're dealing with with coronavirus and what clear factual info we can provide. personally i think it is useful to have a debate with no audience. i have moderated debates before. >> i completely agree. >> i have moderated debates before. if there's one thing i can't stand it's a moderator who is afraid to be the bad guy, and i

think that's partly what we saw in a few of the debates. so i think just hearing them one-on-one will be good. i think it will be great to hear bernie sanders have to explain some of his policy ideas that he's never quite been able to squeeze into 90 seconds. >> he's going to have more time. >> but he was in a forum on fox news this weekend and he still couldn't quite nail down the ex- planation of how to pay for medicare for all quickly. albert einstein said if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. >> that said, you have people leaving the polls almost 17 states in a row where a majority and sometimes an overwhelming majority of the people coming out of those polls are for specifically support the premise, get rid of private insurance. >> one thing with regard to coronavirus is i think at this point in the campaign and the debates, it will be great to see the candidates reflect exactly what's going on with every american. i mean san jose's main airport just tweeted out that three of their tsa workers tested

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to the actual transmission of the virus. that said, we are still way, way behind where we could have been as a country, and that is due in large part to failures by the federal government, particularly on testing. in the meantime, some private labs and research centers have come up with their own working test. one of the first of them is the virology lab at the university of washington. joining me is one of the people critical to that effort, who is quoted tonight in a devastating story from "the new york times" in how delays in testing set back the u.s. coronavirus response. doctor, thank you very much. first i guess i want to get a sense from you of what the scale of testing is now in your state combined between public health centers or what the cdc test kits sent out and the test you developed. >> so here at the university of washington, yesterday we performed about 730 tests, and today we'll probably perform over 900. so it's definitely increasing,

combined with the state lab, that means there are more than 1,000 tests being performed in the state of washington currently. >> how much of an obstacle has the testing backlog been? "the times" article in which you're quoted refers to a flu study that was going on in which samples of swabs that had already been collected, the person running the study wanted to test them for coronavirus, and basically was told not to by multiple federal agencies, eventually essentially went rogue, tested them and found, i think, the first instance of community transmission. did we lose a lot of time in those four or five weeks? >> well, first i want to say that we're a clinical lab at the university of washington, so we're not affiliated with the flu study at all. i think it's really important when you get clinical testing that a positive be positive and a negative be negative. so there are strict quality and regulatory criteria that clinical labs have to adhere to

when they perform testing. to answer your question, though, i think there -- you know, this virus has caught every country unawares. it moves very fast. the cases that we're detecting today were probably transmissions from over two weeks ago, probably around two weeks ago, right? so all the criteria, the way that we test, the way that we isolate, it really is fighting the last war, and only china has been able to bring this virus under control. >> from a public health perspective, as someone who works on viruses as your career, we're receiving word that the governor of your state, jay inslee, is going to announce some sort of essential ban on gatherings of over 250 people. not clear the details of that or the legal sort of underpinnings of it, but there's been a lot of public health experts and epidemiologists talking about social distancing, canceling large gatherings, reducing the transmission speed of that virus. how important is that? >> it's very important. really without vaccines, without therapeutic antibodies or antivirals, are only fight against this virus is with diagnostic testing and social

distancing. we need to be able to diagnose people who have the virus and isolate, and the other thing we can do for people is supportive care. we need to make sure acute care facilities are available for people who need supportive care. that's where you want to sort of slow the transmission of the virus so all those cases don't come at once, so we have the capacity in our hospitals across america to support people who need supportive care. >> obviously this virus is very new and what we know about it keeps changing every day. i've been reading working papers that various scientists and virologists have been provisionally publishing, some who worked on the virus in wuhan in china and others. how quickly is our understanding of this evolving? how much left do you think we don't know that's important to know? >> well, i think there's a lot -- there will be a lot to learn about the virus, but right

now we have tests that we can perform to diagnose the virus, and we know what we need to do, which is prevent transmission, and that is basically evolved in social distancing. that is really our weapon of choice right now, what we have to offer. again, this virus is very, very -- it's contagious and it has just a high morbidity and mortality. it's really unlike any other virus in our lifetimes. >> what is your vision and those that you work with, experts in this field, particularly on testing, of what testing capacity is necessary? i mean how far are we from that from your perspective as someone working on this in the heart of one of the centers of the outbreak? >> yeah. so we're working to actively build towards 5,000 tests a day, and we've put in budgets for 10,000 tests a day in our area. and i think one of the things that's very important when you're answering a question like that is, you know, who gets to make that -- no real one person can make that decision overall. you really have to respond to local matters.

like i know our hospitals, our regional hospitals, our physicians, i know those answers and we can provide testing for that community. so it's hard to have sort of one single sort of controller who says this is how many tests we're going to provide or this is how the tests are going to be done. we need to have that sort of local control. it really works in the u.s. very well. >> all right. dr. alex greninger, thank you for taking a little bit of time with us tonight. >> thank you very much. >> we'll be back with much more right after this. right after this

we are back once more with joshua johnson, karine jean-pierre, richard kim, and sam seder. we were talking about how things have changed in the primary campaign with sort of head snapping quickness and how they've changed in the world in the political and economic situation. there are about to be a bunch of big political debates and fights on capitol hill in the next week about both oversight, about criticisms of the coronavirus management from the federal government, and also, richard, on the stimulus package, which is at this point there will be one. it's a question what's in it. you mentioned fracking before. we had reporting today that a major oil and gas magnate, who is also a donor to the president, lobbying for basically a shale bailout. >> yep. >> that they're discussing

various ways to help the industry. the president came out today after his meeting on capitol hill and said something to the effect of, we want to protect the airline industry. we want to protect the oil industry. he didn't say we want to protect people in nursing homes. literally his focus was protecting the industry. so there's about to be a big fight that is going to also play in this primary. >> he's also said he wants to give stimulus to hotels, which he owns. you know, i'm just really struck here at like the hypocrisy. you know, you remember the auto bailout and the way republicans said that was a politicized move, and it will be very interesting to see what their response is to this. >> i also have to say, joshua, as you were talking about sort of medicare for all and pay-fors, we've had a very, very long in depth debate about pay-fors and how you will pay for it. as i talk to you right now, i think they'll probably push between the hundred billion dollars and $1 trillion out the door in the next two weeks with zero pay-fors. that will just be a thing that we have to do, and it always is

remarkable to me as someone who has covered washington now for 12 years or so, what you have to pay for and what you don't have to pay for are just these totally different categories. >> and you're still surprised? >> i'm not still surprised, but i still note it. >> for sure. for sure. this is one of those situations where -- and in the briefing today, the head of the center for medicare and medicaid services did mention that the administration has been working with health insurance plans to make it easier for them to coordinate in terms of medicare and co-pays. >> and covering costs. >> exactly. so some of that's been thought out. in terms of the bailouts, this is kind of the argument with the auto bailout, right? is it better to let the chips fall or to support all the people who are supported by this industry? i mean supporting hotels, cruise lines, we forget how big an industry tourism is in this country. i'm not just saying that as a floridian. the number one industry in san francisco is not tech.

it's tourism. >> right. >> so the idea we have these industries, for the contracts that are working for aramark or other such company or cleaning the cruise ship without benefits, without pay, or the lyft drivers who lyft has said they're going to support in terms of their health care, this sparks a larger conversation in terms of if you'll support these people in this emergency -- for example, lyft has been arguing that its employees are not employees, they're contractors, but you're helping pay for their health care. so what are they now? >> we should note nancy pelosi and chuck schumer put out a set of principles on this. and there's real questions about there's different ways to do this. you bail out the industry or you get money to people, right? >> there's an analogy to what happened in the banks and what happened in the mortgage crisis. we could have bailed out the homeowners. >> the borrowers. >> who would have then given the

money to the banks. instead we went to the banks and said, hey, if you find it, you know, to your liking, please help out the homeowners. then we had millions of people lose their homes. >> correct. >> instead of talking about industries, we should be talking about workers. we should be talking about parents who are worried about their kids coming home and how they're going to pay for their kidding being at home. we should be worried about the tens of thousands if not 100,000 kids in new york city who are homeless or depending upon going to school to get food. those should be the primary conversations at the very least that the democrats are driving. give the money directly to the people who need it. don't worry about shareholders. they've got to take a little bit of a haircut. >> this will also be -- i mean on this debate on sunday night, by the time we get to sunday night, this is going to be front and center. we will start to see the outlines of a package, and that is going to be a huge topic to your point, joshua, about sort of focus, no audience, two people, a national crisis.

there will be focus on that. >> and one of those candidates has an answer for all those questions. he's had the same answer probably for his whole career, so it's going to be a challenge, i think, for joe biden, and it will be interesting to see. >> a challenge or not, i think what will be interesting is that will be a place for him to articulate some of those principles. >> indeed. >> and also to give a little bit of a vision of how he would govern under these conditions. one thing we saw with the last democratic president was the last democratic president inherited just flaming wreckage. i mean 800,000 jobs being lost. i remember that feeling of the thing is going over the cliff when barack obama was sworn in on that very cold day in 2009, and this period right now is a reminder that things can get bad very quickly and who you have in charge matters. >> that's exactly right. i have to say on the debate stage, that is perfect for bernie sanders as you guys were alluding to because this is the 1%. this is the establishment. this is the real establishment that he keeps talking about that has been the center of his message for 40 years now. >> yes. >> his whole entire time as senator. so i think that's going to be key.

but i'm with you on the workers. here's the thing. there are people who don't have jobs and who are going to be affected with this. people who are just trying to put food on their table, and so, yes, give the money to the workers, and that should be the focus. that's great for bernie sanders. >> we saw already their debate about payroll tax cut. the president sort of got out ahead of that yesterday. it was very interesting. he came out. he seemed sort of solemn. he announced he would be coming out today to give a big speech about what the package was, and then didn't do that, and it turned out that they didn't have anything prepped. >> to the point of this debate, i know we've got to go in a second. i'm looking back at the michigan nbc news exit poll. we asked which candidate would you trust most to handle a major crisis? 50% said biden. 31% said sanders. i wonder -- and we'll find this out sunday and tuesday thereafter -- if because of what's going on, that also leans better in biden's favor. >> i think absolutely. >> because sanders' kind of ethos is i can make it better and joe biden's ethos has been, i can do it better. maybe just the circumstances

we're in might be even leaning more towards sanders having his back to the wall. >> it will be interesting to see if sanders can champion his ideas that i think are tailored for this moment in some ways or whether biden can demonstrate -- >> i think the combination of coronavirus and the desire to move to the next phase have both helped biden in this last week. this sort of rush toward the exits of let's do it and let's move on. also a reminder every day about the sort of failures and weaknesses of the person that currently is running the country. joshua johnson, karine jean-pierre, richard kim, and sam seder, thank you so much for staying up. that does it for me for tonight. i'm chris hayes. you can find me tomorrow night in my normal time slot which is 8:00 p.m. stick around. ali velshi picks up coverage right after this.

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hello, everyone. live in new york for tonight's special election coverage. this is the first nationwide contest since the race narrowed down to essentially two major candidates. former vice president biden and senator sanders. with polls closed in the six states that held primaries on tuesday the results are good for biden. projecting the former vice president winning michigan the nights biggest prize. 125 delegates. biden is the projected winner in mississippi. establishing a crushing lead there over sanders. biden is also the projected winner in missouri. a very big win there. fresh off the wave of victories he thanked supporters and

reminded them who the campaign is for. >> all those who have been knocked down, counted out. left behind. this is your campaign. just over a week ago, many of the declared that this candidacy was dead. now we're very much alive. although there's a way to go, it looks like we'll have another good night. tonight, we are a step closer to restoring decency, dignity and honor to the white house. that's our only goal. winning means uniting america. not sowing more division and anger. it means having a president who knows how to fight but knows how

to heal. >> meanwhile washington state which has been hit hard by the coronavirus out break is too close too call. north dakota is too early to call. idaho is also too early to call. however biden is leading there. 1991 delegates needed to secure the nomination if it were to be done on the first ballot. biden currently stand at 827. sanders trailing with 683. we have a road warriors on the ground with reports from campaigns and a group of experts with me here to break it down. comedian and host. political analyst. executive director of the black economic alliance. and political consultant and contributor to the washington examiner. the biden campaign is in

philadelphia. and the sanders campaign in burling ton, vermont. how are things feeling at the biden headquarters? >> you can certainly see it and hear it in the clips you played. the fact we were supposed to be in cleveland tonight and had to shift location because of the coronavirus. allowed staffers who are usually snuck headquarters tonight be in celebrate with the boss. you can hear the applause. from biden himself you saw a different from candidate to potential nominee here. trying to strike a different tone. when the week started the biden campaign was saying if the sanders team thinks that the democratic primary electorate voters rit large have the appetite for a long drawn out bitter flight until the convention. they are misreading. and the kind of results that they see tonight double digit win in missouri.

huge victory in mississippi and the delegate prize in michigan. they feel validated. and the campaign thinks they're potentially one week away from claiming a lead at this point. biden is ready to bring sanders supporters in the fold. he spoke to them. thanking them for energy and passion. probably one more debate to get through first. >> shaq what's going on in the sanders campaign? >> we didn't get to hear from senator sanders tonight. it didn't take a speech to know this was a dispinting night. a set back as his chief speech writer wrote earlier tonight. and this was not how the night was supposed to go for them. going into this they were focussed on a couple of skey states. washington and idaho and michigan. michigan being the biggest source of pain tonight. michigan was a state they saw as one that had symbolic significance.

in 2016 despite the polls that showed him far behind he made up the gap and had a surprising win. he didn't replicate that tonight. despite the effort into the state. figing for viability in mississippi. he cancelled the trip to mississippi that he had scheduled to spend more time in michigan. many of the top surrogates were out if no, sir. rolling out the endorsement of reverend jackson. and he put it all on the line in michigan. it didn't work for him. if calls into question the loss calls into the question the energy and excitement. he can do that against trump. he's struggling doing that against vice president biden. >> thank you. we'll be continuing this conversation with the folks that i'm joined by now. what's your thought on this? did i hear yo tweeted or

suggested that it's time for bernie sanders to think about dropping out? >> yeah, he has to. looking at the math tonight i think it's almost certain that bernie sanders doesn't have a mathematical path to becoming the democratic nominee. if you go forward and look ahead to march 17, you look at states like ohio and places such as florida. florida is a very delegate rich state. looking at the current polling date that exists. joe biden has a strong lead ahead of bernie sanders. there's no reason for me at this point in time to believe that those numbers will change. so i think if you're a democratic you're thinking let's coaless as quickly as possible. i think it's joe biden. >> is it in the interest of the conservatives to say bernie sanders has no future? >> to an extent. what's important is that bernie

sanders drops out now so the democratic party can heal itself and we don't see what happened in 2016. which there is a lot of ill feeling about. when clinton didn't get the full support of bernie sanders folks. they need to have that happen much earlier. the they can't wait until june. it makes sense. when you look at where biden is winning. in the suburbing. that's where the turn out change happened. michigan was a tough loss for bernie sanders. because if he can't win michigan he can't win ohio and look at the voters and towards 2020. for the general election. we need a candidate to take on donald trump. >> joy reid made an interesting point. she said in 2012, there were -- 2008. black voters were waiting for white voters to say it was okay

to vote for obama. the most decisive group is black voters. he's safe to vote for. >> one thing that we take away is clear, the impact of the black vote. this has been a good two weeks for the black vote. the impact has had a sea change on the landscape of the election. any candidate who will be successful has to court but earn the black vote. that's to say in 2016 for example a decrease in black voter tournt for the first time in 20 years of presidential elections. if you were not speaking directly to black voters and talking about issues, kitchen table issues. the economy, access to work force that's inclusive, homeowner ship as path way to wealth building. things that touch pocketbooks and every day lives, any

candidate having any opportunity to win has to talk directly to black voters. >> we have a call to make. we have breaking news. projecting that joe biden will win idaho. there are 20 delegates there. joe biden awarded nine. the winner this idaho with 96% of the vote in. running 48 to 46% against sanders there. right now tonight 365 delegates at stake. 178 to biden so far. 110 to sanders. this is the total towards the nomination. biden has 830 of 1991 that he needs. sanders has 685. >> pete. >> what a night. >> this is a night. on one hand to what david was

saying. maybe african-american voters are interested in feeling like they're in the game. the problem is our exit polling indicates there are bernie sanders voters. voters on either side say they will not support the other candidate. there are more on the bernie sanders side. looking back to 2016 there were a percentage of people who voted for bernie sanders and when he didn't win the nomination voted for donald trump. >> i want all voters to tweet me. there's just no possible -- who can say that? to say you're not going to vote for the democratic nominee. is to admit that you have a tremendous privilege. you have nothing to worry about. the supreme court is at stake. democracy at stake. and the planet is at stake. we have a pandemic. if you think that joe biden and his administration wouldn't handle it better than donald

trump, i have news for you. you have been duped. this idea you won't vote because you didn't get what you want. i'm as progressive as it gets. that doesn't mean you're not going to still be part of the game. what kind of person or life or desires and needs and securities do you need to be convinced that you have to vote for whoever the democratic nominate. so we can get the madman out of the white house. >> to what degrees if joe biden takes the nomination and doesn't get some percent and of sanders votes to what extent does joe biden benefit from moderates republicans maybe who will vote for him? never trumpers. but consider themselves republican. >> that's why the 2018 election was so important. and leads a path way for joe biden. the blue wave came from the suburbs. we have consistently seen in the primaries that joe biden has won he is reaching those voters

again. they are coming out. so it's i think joe biden has a much better chance of appealing to those voters and the states where you need to do it when it's a little bit, have them push out a little bit and have turn out change more on the progressive side, that's how you beat donald trump. you don't beat him without those moderate democrats and republicans. the suburban voters. they want government back to normal. >> the "washington post" has a piece. the republican mayor of a small city in michigan announced he is voting for biden over trump. that's obama trump county. you'll see more of that. it's joe biden. >> let's not forget clinton was also very disliked and kept people home.

based on her own. >> we divide, we cut and paste and chop up different people based on the cross tabulations we get. let's talk about people like you. young african-american, professional, college educated. conservative. >> you vote for joe biden. i just have to be honest. if you're looking at both candidates and looking at bernie sanders and joe biden. you want someone that you know on day one can hit the ground running. can do the job. joe biden already has been there. i'd like to say if you are an individual who is running a business and looking for a manager to manage the business shlgs you're not going to the guy who has radical ideas and no experience doing anything. you go for the guy who has experience getting the job done. you know when the situation gets tough and the difficult decisions have to be made. that person has the experience

of not make the decisions at least being in the room and close proximity to the individual who was charged and tasked with doing so. that's the difference between joe biden and bernie sanders. i have to say, joe biden has to do a good job of reaching out to the bernie sanders supporters. because some of them may may a difference in the close contests coming up in the general. >> david, i'm looking at some of the exit polling. it continues to show remarkable and overwhelming support for medicare for all. far further than a joe biden goes with basically the obamacare. anything would be better than what republicans are trying to do now. how do you square that? americans are saying democrats are saying they really want medicare for all. they want things that bernie sanders has been pushing for. they don't feel that joe biden is necessarily as committed to

radical change or things that feel like change. people want radical change. how do you square that. how is the joe biden end up corralling all the people who are energized for change? >> we're learning you have folks who identify as conservative moderate and progressive. the issues are what are driving. we're getting away from the identity politics. folks are saying this is how i identify and all the issues -- >> certainly among african-american. depending on view. young, old. >> candidates need to be speaking to the issues and talking to the need to get more folks included in the system. whether it's medicare, access to capitol. whatever the issue we need to talk across the political

spectrum. not trying to fit folks neatly into a box. based on where they live and voted in the past. >> a quick break. michigan announcing the first confirmed of coronavirus. the number of people infected in the united states surges. how the out break had an impact on the vote today and sent the candidates scrambling. introducing a single sports destination,

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would follow the guidance of the cdc and officials with respect to the campaign events. we'll continue to do that. this is a matter this coronavirus is a matter of presidential leadership. and later this week i'll be speaking on what i believe the nation should be doing to address this virus. >> former vice president biden in philadelphia following a last minute scramble to change the location of his speech. both cancelled tuesday night rallies after ohio officials voiced concerns about coronavirus. it has grown to 1,000 cases in the united states. doubling since sunday. michigan announce ld the first two cases. a virologist joining us now. if you sneeze i'll punch you in the face. >> slap you. >> clearly we're conscious of

things that we are not conscious of elsewhere. i have been seeing -- get off social media. i'm being told the media is leading everybody off the cliff of panic. conversations i have heard don't suggest that at all. it does suggest to take it seriously. stuff is it happening. things you can do to protect yourself and family. and things governments and institutions and employers can do. there is a sense that not all of that is being coordinated as well as it could be. >> absolutely. you hit it on the head with the panic. panic sp fear are the second biggest enemy in a pandemic. virus being number one. we try to get the data and the curve that you showed. an epidemic curve. without the testing up and running we don't know how steep it is. without knowing how steep it is we don't know how large the problem is. >> put the curve back up. it's important. what we're trying to do the

curves are line yar and expotential. we're trying to keep it linier. >> like most things in nature. they occur in a bell curve. how steep it is depends on when you intervene. right now diagnostics is the first. >> each new test we have the likelihood of finding more cases. >> we contact trace and everyone that the other person has come into contact with. it infects two to three people per person. we have 1,000 confirmed cases. we can assume there are 3,000 cases we don't know. and extrapolate they have come into contact with others and goes on further. >> let's say we will have a million test kits out this week. we had 75,000 friday.

secretary says another million coming soon and 4 million. what does it look like once you have a handle on this and tested people. like singapore and hong kong. what does success look like? >> we can tell you you have it or you don't. and tell you if you have it stay home. still the message is this. 80% will be fine. young, healthy individuals. you'll get it and be fine. a lot of people aren't taking that seriously. that'sth problem. even if you will be fine. we know somebody in the high risk group. diabetes and heart disease. >> you can get it and be fine but infect somebody who has diabetes. >> and they could die. and this is not fear amongering. this is science and data and facts. everybody knows somebody in the risk category. we have some of the highest numbers of the people in those risk categories. heart disease and diabetes.

>> when we hear from federal authorities that there's no reason to stay home, and you're feeling under the weather, the reason to stay home isn't that you're going to die. the reason is so you don't infect somebody more vulnerable. >> parents and grandparents. anybody with conditions. it's not just about the self-. it's about protecting everyone else. without knowing, people don't know what to do. do e stay home and think i have the cold or flu? which more than likely you do. without the diagnosis you don't know. we're flying blind until we have the diagnostics out everyone where. >> "new york times." it's everywhere already. testing set back coronavirus respond already. one can be critical of the delay in testing. it doesn't turn it into a political discussion. or pointing fingers. if anybody is blaming donald

trump for coronavirus. >> it's a natural disaster. but the handling is something that in every instance people like you can be critical of the government administration because sometimes they do it right sometimes they don't. >> i have never been in an out break where the government has not been criticized. obama administration criticism of acting too late with ebola. it led to massive response. which could have been mitigated if we acted earlier. left or right we criticize out break responses. they are natural disasters. >> she's concerned about it being allergy season. >> it's true. eyes are watering and nose running. it doesn't mean you're sick. people are scared to be around you. the one question i want to ask, it's not a political issue. it seems to me in this particular situation, it's the first type we saw the united

states not leading in helping fix the problem. we waited for china to let us in after a while. normally the u.s. is slik we're sending doctors here and there. we seemed for the first time to not just be leading from behind but not leading at all. which is also frightening. we are supposed ton part of the global community. >> i don't mean to start up and make it political. i have to say, it is a political thing. the president of the united states doesn't care about us. he doesn't care about us. he doesn't care about the public. talk about in past administrations mistakes were made. of course. mayor level and governor and federal. of course they are. you have the right people in place. you believe the number. you understand the science. this is a president who has no understanding or interest in science. and any kind of science. he doesn't care about us. only his numbers. >> he made it political going

after democrats. >> i share the view. other people are having o step up because the government is not giving proper guidance. you have seen on social media, there are hash tags going around that imply some of them are racist and imply that this is a chinese thing. some imply -- >> the president called it that today. >> the issue is i think that while we can accept the fact the president hasn't taken up leadership. the stock market is doing what it's doing. we can accept the fact it's not the president didn't start the virus. >> the president didn't start the virus but the president is the person in charge and nobody trusts him. nobody feels safe with him. and i feel like you're in my space. >> we are actually in each others space. we have the same head. we'll touch heads. we'll continue this conversation

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primary results stand now. joe biden project td to win michigan the biggest prize of the night. 85% of the votes are in.

53 to 37. in missouri joe biden is projected to win there. 95% in at 60 to 35. in mississippi this is a blow out for joe biden. with 89% in. 81 to 15. and new this hour projecting biden wins idaho as well. 9 96%. two out standing races washington state is too close to call. 69% in. and a very tight race. north dakota 63% in. sanders leading there. still too early to call. we're waiting for more counting. most of the attention is on michigan which has 125 delegates. biden has a big smile on the detroit news. another big story the turn out. thousands of new voters registering that day. >> additionally, more than 13,000 people registered and voted today. with nearly half that number just over 6,000 doing so after

4:30 p.m. we don't have the exact yet, we expect many of the people were young first time voters. it's a great thing. >> those first time voters led to long lines among college students. the state allowed same day registration. lead reporter joining me now. she wrote about the long lines. thank you for being with us. what do you make of the lines today? >> oregon state university i talked with a lot of voters who were standing in line for an hour or more. and actually saw some reporting that people were still standing in line after the polls closed. if you're in line by 8:00 p.m. you can still cast your vote. it was a little bit of a chaotic scene. people were eating pizza and throwing ballots against the wall to sign up on hard surface

there. a lot of students were casting votes for the first time and i talked with a couple who had been registered in their hometown. but wanted to cast today in primary. >> what's the sense of who they're voting for? >> bernie sanders. he has big support among young people. his rally in an arbor. university of michigan drew 10,000 people over the weekend. and they too were experiencing really long lines. one of my colleagues talked with a student there who said she was motivated to come register and vote after she had seen him speak there. >> thank you for joining us. the lead reporter for the m live. what do you think of this? young people, long lines, excitement and bernie sanders. >> i like long lines and it means people want to vote. i don't like meaning there are not enough polling places.

enthusiasm from bernie sanders from young people has been there. i said that there wasn't enough young people enthusiastic about bernie sanders. it's not true. the truth is it wasn't enough as he wanted and needed in the end. i think a will the of the story is the black voters are king makers in mississippi and missouri. and michigan. and the other story is bernie sanders maybe it wasn't that he was better than clinton back in 2016. people are talking about that. and he wouldn't have run the table in the midwest. and joe biden people just for whatever reason feel safe. safer with him. >> i'm still here. >> let me ask about this. young people and -- you're like the young guy on the team. enthusiasm. whoever ends up running against trump we have two old guys.

young people -- tell me what it is. the idea that big ideas can take place that big thinking can happen. that they are really concerned about the climate. they're concerned with social injustice and income disparity. they want someone who talks a big game. of the three major characters in the race right now, bernie sanders is that guy. >> he is a guy although based on the numbers that we have seen so far he has under performed in comparison to how well he did in 2016 against former secretary of state clinton. a lot of young people based on the variables you laid out are concerned about climate change and capitalism and income inequality and the impact on the human capitol. bernie sanders has done a an effective job of speaking to trying to level the playing field. your numbers guy a long time ago when we were in the age of american regulatory capitalism. where the government really

regulated heavily regulated every single market. in many ways bernie sanders sort of talks to a return to that. in a different formatt. i always say to people around my age the politics doesn't work that way. you have to build to get things done. i think joe biden is someone who is proven that he has a history of background to do just that. things don't happen over night. it sounds great to say i'll come in and shake everything up and destroy it and start over again. i caution it look what happened under president trump. he was someone who promised a lot of voters i'll go into washington and destroy things. he's destroyed a lot of things. it hasn't been to the benefit of the country. >> for people who want and need economic shift to economic structure. that's big. if you're african-american in the country the things you need the power shift you need to benefit economically are not along the margin.

not easy things. black wealth in america is one tenth that of white wealth. that's housing, jobs, generational wealth. you want medicare for all. why is bernie sanders not registering more with african-american voters because they like young people in the country need something that feels like revolutionary change. >> for years there's been a number of institutional obstacles to keep black folks out of a number of institutions. financial opportunities and entrepreneur ship. what we know from the work at the black economic alliance from talking to voters and listening sessions from polls and studies. what works is inclusive capitalism. so what we are trying to do is -- what voters are looking for candidates to speak to is create path ways for black

people to get into the system. that have worked for so many other americans. not blow up the system and replace it. the answer is finding path ways to get people -- >> rephrasing it. it's you have a system can we have more doors in. more ways in. >> black folks have been looking for a fair shake. and the opportunity. >> to that point let's not forget bernie sanders has never wanted to open a door. you have to be with me or you're not with me. there's no back and forth. he's been in washington since 1991. longer than supporters have been alive. he's not done anything to be more inclusive. >> except medicare for all. >> he's moved it how far? he's not willing to say it's all or nothing with him. if you're not with him on it -- >> he pushed wages higher.

>> doing his job in d.c. trying to build coalitions. that's not how he's done it. if you're looking for doors, if you're not welcome because you don't agree with him 100%. that door is shut. >> if i could do so, white explain. you explain a thoughtful economic idea about path way. opportunity and so on. which is important. it's also from my everything i have read and understanding is black folks are terrified that donald trump could win again. they are going to go with the guy who they think can win. and that's the guy they know. and that is joe biden. >> let me say this. there's been again black vote not a mono-lif.

you have black voters who believe donald trump when he says he's done well by black people. and think the economy is doing better. >> mostly men. >> any candidate needs to be speaking to the folks who feel like they have been left out and go after the progressive and the democrats but the speaking to a message of how to create more systems to get people access. >> do you speak to people who thin african-americans have done well under trump? >> i know handful of republicans who are african-american. who do believe that. they are not representative of african-americans rit large. even though we are very diverse in our political thought. i want to say this, older african-americans are very calculating in the way they process voting and voting behavior. i think for them they're thinking not just about themselves. but also thinking about what's to come for the next generation. they lived through a will the of

very difficult things in this country. for a lot of them i talked to my grandparents. in their 90s. we had an hour conversation about the election coming up in november. she said more than anything else i'm worried about you. when you have children. i have seen how ugly things can be. i don't want that for you. so for many joe biden is sort of the individual to be a roadblock against many of the very negative things that a will the of older african-americans in particular see within donald trump as it pertains to character and many things he has done so far. they understand that it is easier to destroy than it is to build. and to build takes time. and they recognize that. a lot of younger voters really have to be realistic about the process. not saying we shouldn't have change. the process is far from perfect. what it is to say you have to have someone in there first that

can open the door way so you can begin the process for the type of change that you want. you cannot begin that with the current person in the white house. >> i will say a number of the companies that have increased their minimum wage, most cases it's just for demand for workers have credited bernie sanders movement. and the fight for 15. he has done things. when it comes to wages and pushing for the concept of medicare for all. he's convincing the majority of voters to say he actually that we should do this. even though they're voting for somebody else. it's meaningful. >> he's right. >> we're coming right back. [ indistinct talking ]

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live in new york. it was a big night for joe biden. as a results continue to trickle in. let's begin in michigan projecting biden the winner there. biden wins missouri. 95% of the vote in there. he won mississippi. 89% in this is a blow out. 81% of the voters there going for joe biden. new tonight projecting biden wins idaho. 96% of the vote in there. joe biden getting 49%. only two races are out standing

washington remains too close it call. very little difference there with 69% of the vote in. 2,000 votes separating them. north dakota is too early to call. 63% of the vote in there. sanders has the lead. there's a total delegate count. of those that are 'signed you need 1991. joe biden has 836. sanders has a number that just disappeared. less than 836. sometimes they move too fast for me. up next president obama assignment as speculation builds over who gets his backing and when.

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the night is over joe biden will be the to win the democratic nomination. if the night ends the way it has begun, i think it is time for us to shut the primary down. time for us to cancel the debates. you don't do anything but get yourself in trouble if you continue the contest for the obvious that the numbers will not shape out for you. >> that was majority house whip clyburn calling for unity and urging to get behind joe biden. his endorsement swung south

carolina voters towards biden. as one prominent african-american politician stumps, another stays silent. this week vanity fair reported former president obama has chosen not to weigh in on the 2020 democratic primary race. we'll see -- will we see an endorsement before the convention. in june. joining us now. it's july. the former member of president obama's policing task force. great to see krou again. what to you think will happen? obviously at some juncture he'll come out. is it going to be at at time when it could tip the scale? >> i'm not sure if he'll do it when it will tip the scale. in the time that i spent working with him he was really focussed on the details and making sure that whatever came out, whatever emerged from the work that was

being done was clear for people. to follow along. and i think that is exactly what he's looking to do now. he's paying attention to the sentiment in the country. to the divisions that we're seeing in the party. paying close attention to whether or not young people will be excited enough to come out for whoever the nominee is. and going to leverage the instincts and the expertise from his own time in office and running two presidential campaigns. to bring people together and get the nominee to do the things that it will take to defeat trump. >> what is the leadership that obama can provide when it comes to the general election that either of the candidates and presumably biden can benefit from? he was with him every step of the way for the two elections in which they were president and vice president. what's the -- that obama brings? >> it's two things. first of all it is an understanding of how young people work in the country.

the work the obama foundation continued to do after he exited office, we see it continued engagement with young folks and they are critical in the turn out for ensuring the white house goes blue again. there's clearly a bathe and a plan the campaigns have used previously that have been successful with turning out youth. getting them excited and have them get friends engaged. the second secret weapon is michelle obama. she continues to be a powerful and impactful figure. she continues to be popular no matter the background of the person. i think she will be somebody that will come out hopefully and really get people to recognize that this is a moment unlike any other. and voices need to be heard. >> what do you think? >> i think president obama is obviously the secret weapon for any nominee.

and politician. and his convention speech for joe biden is going to be if it's joe biden, don't count bernie sanders out yet. his convention speech will be personal and powerful. and not only that, he'll go out on the road. and have rallies and stumping for his vice president. let's not forget how passionate and intelligent the former president is. and how much disdain i'm sure he has for president trump. he'll go out and do every single thing he can and he's been holding this fire as professionally as he could. and you'll see a strong and vocal president obama on the trail. especially if it's joe biden. >> is there somebody to whom obama will appeal that not getting out there and doing what pete says wouldn't get the candidate? >> we have a road map. we know from 2016 where people didn't show up. there were obama voters that at no time show up.

that didn't show up. he can go there now, we know where they are. michelle can really i think do a great job on turn out. >> thanks to everybody. we'll take a quick break. big thank you to my guests this hour. thank you for watching our special live coverage. watch me saturday and sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here. good night.

♪ good morning, everyone. it is wednesday, march 11th, i'm ayman mohyeldin alongside yasmin vossoughian. we begin with the results from last night's democratic primary contest as joe biden extends his delegate lead with victories in at least four of the six states that voted last night. the key state, of course, being michigan, as well as missouri, mississippi and idaho. the north dakota caucuses too early to call as of 4:00 a.m. eastern time.