americans do want medicare for all, inspect of the fact th all, in spite of the fact that they're voting for joe biden. >> that's one of the fascinating things that you mentioned from super tuesday, joe biden wins over voters who are supportive of a single-payer, government-run health care system. yet folks who are supportive of that are still flocking to joe biden, to your point, because they value unity and the ability to beat donald trump more than anything. and those are two things that joe biden has proven in the last couple of weeks alone that he's capable of pulling off. >> all right. thank you very much. we're going to be reading axios a.m. in just a little bit. you too can sign up for that newsletter by going to axios.com. >> that does it for us this morning. "morning joe" starts right now. as i said from the beginning, this election is one

that has character on the ballot. the character to the candidates, the character of the nation is on the ballot. it's more than a comeback, in my view, our campaign. it's a comeback for the soul of this nation. this campaign is taking off, and i believe we're going to do well from this point on. take nothing for granted, want to earn every single vote in every single state. but, if you're willing, if you want to join us, go to joebiden.com, sign up. sign up, volunteer, and contribute if you can. we need you, we want you, and there's a place in our campaign for each of you. >> it was another dominate night for joe biden in yesterday's democratic primary contest. he extended his lead with victories in at least four of the six states that voted last

night. michigan, missouri, mississippi, and idaho. the north dakota caucus is too early to call where bernie sanders is currently up by seven points. washington state, which has been rocked by the coronavirus, is too close to call. sanders up by .2%. any talk of a 2016-like sanders comeback in michigan was blunted by biden's double-digit lead. 53 to 36.5%. biden has been awarded 65 of the state's 125 delegates so far. sanders, 45. 15 delegates are still on the table. we're also watching mississippi. not because of biden's massive 81% of the vote, but because of sanders, the board says he won 15% but it's actually 14.8 if sanders doesn't reach the 15% threshold, he won't get a single

statewide delegate from mississippi. the overall delegate stands at biden 836, sanders 686. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is wednesday, march 11th along with joe, willie and me we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and former political writer and columnist ron fournier. >> just incredible, mika. i mean, new hampshire was a money ago. put this in perfective, we had the wake for joe biden's campaign a month ago when he came on set and nobody would say anything because we felt so bad for him. and ten days ago the campaign was over, it seemed, and now actually the democratic race is all but over. yesterday just one dominate win after another. >> it's really stunning when you think about it. a month ago, just a month ago he was all but gone in the race. we're going to get to steve

kornacki at the big board in just a moment. but first, the latest on growing coronavirus threat. the outbreak is having an impact on the presidential campaign. that speech joe biden gave last night was only in front of his campaign staff, not supporters. both biden and sanders were supposed to hold rallies in cleveland yesterday but the events were canceled citing guidance from public health officials. and this sunday's presidential debate won't have a live audience nor will there be a spin room afterwards over concerns about the spread of the virus. the number of known cases across the country has now topped 1,000. new states of merge have been declared in colorado, massachusetts, and michigan because of the virus. according to the "new york times," after weeks of mounting frustrations, states with a growing number of cases are still struggling to test. they don't have the ability to test widely for coronavirus. the paper notes that continued

delays have made it impossible for officials to get a true picture of the scale of the outbreak. in new york, state officials have set up a one-mile containment area. public schools in the area will be closed until march 25th and the national guard has been delayed to the area. as of yesterday, westchester county has seen 108 confirmed cases of the virus. two high profile music festivals, coachella and stage coach have been postponed until october. and talk shows like abc's the view and wloolive with kelly an ryan will start taping without studio audiences. oversees, britain's health minister has tested positive for coronavirus. she met with prime minister boris johnson just a day before falling ill. it has prompted discussions about whether or not parliament should be suspended.

we'll have much more on the coronavirus outbreak in just a moment with two medical experts. >> speaking of not so long ago, it was not so long ago the president of the united states said we only had 15 cases, nobody died and they would all go away very soon. this would go away magically. it's not happening. we still don't have the tests. even though the president said last week if you want a test you'll get a test. and so we don't even know the full scope of this. if you look at the curve of the other countries, mika, countries have been able to isolate communities after knowing who actually was infected. and you can actually see the lines go down once they have the information. this is not a president who's fact based. he's never been fact based and his people have actually -- his supporters have allowed him to get away with that. now his supporters and people who don't support him, their lives are at risk, the health of their parents and grandparents

are at risk, children with underlying factors are at risk. americans need the facts, mr. president. you got to deliver it to them. >> and, joe, other countries are able to do more because they actually have more information. they've been testing widely. >> i know. and we had, it's important to remember, the world health organization offered us a test that we could have used a month ago. and the trump administration refused it. so we're going to talk about all of this later. but, willie, first i wanted to get your thoughts on the scope and the sweep of joe biden's victory last night. >> well, we've got steve kornacki to help us do that in just a second, but you said it, michigan was the state a couple of weeks ago that everyone was looking at because bernie sanders had won it in 2016. not by a big margin, by had one and cohold on and do it again this time. the answer was a resounding no. let's look at some of the numbers here. and just now joe biden put this

together, because i -- if i'm not wrong, i don't see a purple county on that map. >> you see all biden blue on here. this is -- this is last night in michigan. by the way, this was michigan in 2016. totally different story. it is night and day here. >> oh my gosh. >> sanders was just -- >> what happened? >> sanders ran up huge numbers in rural counties, small counties, the upper peninsula he lost one county by 35 votes in 2016. then you look at last night and you see blue everywhere. things that were jumping out at me on this map, college counties all across the state where the university of michigan is, where northern michigan, central michigan, western michigan, all of those counties were huge for sanders in 2016. it looks like he's going to lose all of them last night. the big story here, i should say in michigan when you started looking at the exit polls, the african american vote was close to 20% of this state. it looks about the same as it did four years ago. it was close to a 40-point victory for biden over sanders. the white vote changed

dramatically. four years ago bernie sanders won the white vote in michigan by 14 points. he has now lost to according to the exit poll by 11. so a 25 point swing among white voters. that's non college white and college white. it just accounts for the sweep of the state, what looks like a sweep of the state by joe biden. raises all sorts of questions about a state that was critical in general election too. if joe biden might be more acceptable to the voters who swung michigan away from the democrats in 16 than hillary clinton. >> so what changed, steve? because we saw that giant rally in ann arbor for bernie sanders just a couple days ago. is it just the chase those young voters didn't go vote? >> i think he got some support but not as much. you look down here, kalamazoo county, western michigan unit, joe biden 48, sanders 44. look what this was four years ago, sanders got over 60% of the vote. we saw this in county after county.

we saw suburban counties. livingston county, it's a classic commuting suburb, turnout was through the roof. joe biden woman n by 17 points. it's a swing of nearly 40 points. you saw it in michigan, missouri, you saw just an entire sweep here. every single county in missouri looks like it is going to go to joe biden. the swing here among white voters, 32 points. this was the closest state of all of the democratic primaries in 2016, missouri was the closest. its with a 1500-vote difference. college town, this is where the university of missouri is. joe biden wins it. four years ago, sanders was kru crushing hillary clinton here. we're seeing this in michigan, missouri, mississippi, every single county for joe biden. >> wow. and, joe, once again in the state of mississippi, it was on the strength of black voters. he won by like 70% to joe biden over bernie sanders in

mississippi. >> i want to take a closer look, willie, at michigan. i mean, here's a state obviously that's going to be one of the three states that's going to determine whether donald trump serve as president four more years or is sent home. that was a completely dominate -- it was such a dominate performance and suggests that joe biden just may be the guy who can win those states. and last night he won them so big. it was -- it was an extraordinary performance. >> remember the spread in 2016 in the state of michigan was about 10,500 votes. if he can make up the difference in wisconsin and pennsylvania, that's your election right there. we should talk about the coalition more broadly now that joe biden has put together in the last couple of weeks. black voters, as you mentioned earlier, older voters, moderate voters, young voters still turning obviously toward bernie sanders so it's not quite the

obama coalition. but he has put together his own biden coalition here. >> we can show it to you just within michigan, i called up a minute ago, this is one component of the coalition. this is the blue wave of 2018. livingston county is in one of those congressional districts that went red to blue. elissa slotkin, the democrat from there. biden not just winning by 17 points, not a huge reversal from four years ago, but turnout here is up 50, 5-0 percent. but how about the other side of the story in macomb county, it's the classic reagan democrat county just north of detroit, blue collar, a lot of blue collar white voters here, joe biden is winning by 17 points. compare that to four years ago, hillary clinton barely eeked out the primary in macomb. and, boy, did she run into trouble in macomb in the general election in the is one of those place where's trump overachieved.

so you've got that as well. and then you take a look down here, wayne county. this is actually a place where biden didn't do quite as well as hillary clinton. this is detroit suburbs. we may have a little bit more to be tally there. but you had low turnout in detroit in 2016. democrats want to change that. they don't want to have happen in places like macomb county happen again. they want to convert those 2018 voters in 2020 voters. the margin was so small to begin with, if the democrats can make end roads, that could make all the zblirchs and tudifference. >> and turnout a big part of the story. >> that's what i was going to ask steve kornacki. hey, steve, how many political pros do you know that said at the beginning of this campaign, joe biden, he's going to be the turnout candidate? i mean, come on. are you kidding me? but joe biden is turning into the turnout candidate. >> i mean, take a look at this.

the number in 2016 was short of 1.2 million that turned out in michigan. you're well over 1.5 million, that's going to be the votes that come in. in missouri, this isn't even -- this won't be a blue state in the general election likely, the number here was about five -- the number here was 626, it's now sitting at 660. they've gone through it in missouri. the turnout is up here. it was out in mississippi. biden got fourth in iowa, fifth in new hampshire, and he had 'em just where he wanted 'em. >> that's amazing. he actually had this is what he was going to do all along, win in south carolina and keep winning. and nobody believed him. maybe they should have. ron fournier, you're a michigan guy. give us your thoughts on joe biden dominating, winning in every state, winning in the college towns, winning in the suburbs, winning in black neighborhoods, winning all

across your state. >> yeah, he's the presumptive nominee. but i think this is more about trump than it is about biden. think about it. four years ago in 2016 michigan democrats did not think donald trump was going to become president. they were not worried about donald trump. they thought he was a joke. there's no way he was going to win the nomination. we could certainly beat him in the fall even if he did. so voting for sanders was a safe protest vote. they didn't think donald trump was going to win and they really didn't like hillary clinton, so they voted for bernie sanders. now four years later, democrats are scared to death of donald trump. what is unifying them is defeating donald trump. what was clear to michigan voters was joe biden is now the guy that we as democrats have to get behind, not necessarily just because we love joe biden and he's the turnout candidate, but because we hate donald trump. we being democrats. donald trump is the turnout candidate for democrats. that's what happened in detroit in -- or michigan in 2018, that's why slotkin won

livingston county and thaururne that district blue. it's why whitmer is governor. it's why biden swept bernie sanders off the field in michigan. and it's why democrats should have some hope for november, because democrats this time now the kind of president donald trump is and they are going to be united to turn out against donald trump. >> so let's get a split screen right now, tj, with ron fournier and myself. everybody's now looking at the two people who represent the forces that -- that chased hillary clinton for 25 years. you in the media, me as a republican first and then in the media. and -- and we were talking about that yesterday. you really, if you haven't seen the hillary hulu documentary, it's extraordinary. >> it's amazing. >> since you were there for a good chunk of that story, you'll love it. the argument was made last night, and i believed it, i'm

not so sure you do, but the argument was made last night by a lot of people that the results from last night showed just how much the vilification of hillary clinton by the press and republicans over 25 years worked in 2016. that bernie sanders ended up not being this -- this revolutionary, not being this remarkable political force. instead, 2016 was all about 25 years of baggage hillary clinton was carrying. >> no doubt about it. now, a lot of that is on the media, a lot of that is on republicans. but look, a candidate owns his or her brand. a candidate owns his or her performance in a campaign. we can't take it all off of hillary clinton's shoulders. she should have been able to beat donald trump in 2016. >> yeah. mike barnicle, your thoughts or last night. you've known joe biden for a very long time. and we were -- i keep talking

about new hampshire because it was such a morose morning when joe came on, not because we're cheering for anybody, but just because we've known this guy for so long and liked him -- >> he's fought to hard. >> just like i've known and liked bernie for 25 years and then really feeling for him this morning. but felt really bad for biden that morning. and here we are a month later and this guy just can't lose. in fact, not only can he not lose states, this guy's not losing a county. >> yeah, you know, joe, looking at the tale of the tape and listening to steve explain it both last night and here just a few moments ago, it's pretty clear that joe biden has the reach, the breath in this campaign to sort of mimic bill clinton in 1992. he's winning whites in the suburbs. the suburbs are going to turn out to be if not a wave election, a huge, huge bonus for joe biden. and i think when you listen to

joe, when you see joe now in the past ten days, two weeks out in the campaign trail, you see something that resonates with voters. and it's pretty simple. it's humanity, it's empathy, it's stability, and experience. >> talk -- let's talk about humanity, mike, and talk about that a moment where somebody made the mistake of saying he was going to take all their guns away. and i know republicans just jumped on it. oh, my god, can you believe a political figure using crass language? come on, seriously? look in the mirror, folks. but biden yesterday showed the other side of his humanity, and that is he's a fighter. >> he's a fighter, he has the experience. people know he has the experience. but there's one twist in this that i think lasts through the rest of this year. and it is the existing president of the united states behavior in

handling this national health crisis. in other words, he hasn't handled it. and i encountered several people over the weekend, joe, i'm sure you have didn't you same thing as well, you and mika, i'm sure you've done the same thing as well. people who you know voted for donald trump in 2016 have now said, no, the leadership isn't there. the ability to inspire or calm the nation down, that's not there. he's got a dream world that he's president of. he has no honesty in him and that is all going -- he's going to pay the price for it. >> so, steve, let's button this up. at the end of the day this is a game of bedelegates. you've got to get the majority to become the nominee. michigan, missouri, idaho in biden's corner last night. washington too close to call. north dakota looks like it's probably going to go toward bernie sanders. where are we in terms of delegates? and let's just be blunt, can

bernie sanders catch joe biden? >> this is 150. that's the gap. biden up 150 over sanders. what is not counted in this, believe it or not, there's still a bunch from california that haven't been added. we haven't formally declared california for sanders though he's seven points ahead. when you add those in, it's probably not going to change margin much. it's probably going for 150. there's a scattering left in michigan, in missouri there is still a question of that 15% threshold in sanders in mississippi. so biden may squeeze a few more out of these states. you go to north dakota and idaho, the key is no matter who ends up winning north dakota, you're looking at relatively close races in states that don't have a ton of delegates. won't significantly affect the delegate picture. and washington, it's basically dead even in washington now. they're going to start counting the same-day vote. br you probably think that will favor biden. but even if he gets up and wins it by five, six, seven points, you don't get a huge delegate advantage out of that given the proportion. if it's 150 now, i think the

upside, best case for biden he might come out of last night up 170 when everything is counted. it might be less than that because sanders can still get some. but that's about the range. about 140 to 170 for biden. if that doesn't sound too daunting consider next week this is coming, florida, huge delegate. the polls have sanders down 30, 35 points here. everything we're seeing demographically suggests that's probably going to happen there. this is a state where sanders got clobbered last time around. illinois, all of the sudden you look at illinois, the demographic patterns there. you see at michigan, down state illinois and you look at missouri, even bits of tennessee and arkansas, huge trouble there for bernie sanders on the horizon. ohio was already a bad state for bernie sanders in 2016. lost it by 13. that, again, based on what we're seeing could get a lot worse. arizona goes -- this 150, 175 could be over 300 a week from now. and, again, the only way in a

one on one race that you make up a big delegate difference is you don't just win states, you have to win landslides. biden is winning landslides and he's building up his delegate lead. sanders where he wins states, he wins new hampshire by two points. >> right. >> if he wins north dakota, he might win it by five points. you need to win landslides in big states otherwise that becomes a completely hopeless margin to try to overcome. >> the opposite could happen next tuesday, landslides for joe biden in places like florida. steve kornacki, great job as always. thanks so much. joe, people calling in the democratic party, some people in the biden campaign suggesting that perhaps bernie sanders should step aside at this point. the campaign says we're in it for the debate on sunday in phoenix and then those races on tuesday and then likely we'll reassess. >> yeah, all right. thanks so much, steve kornacki. we greatly appreciate it. yeah, i think the democrats need to take a deep breath and let this play out.

bernie sanders has run an extraordinary campaign in '16 and again in '20. you look at those crowds, no other democrat can pull together that type of crowd. and, yes, it hasn't translated into votes the way that they hoped, but bernie sanders is a force in the democratic party. a lot of things that he's talking about right now, in some form a decade from now will look back on this campaign and we will see there's going to be universal health care. you're going to see education, the prices of education going down. you're going to see a lot of things bernie sanders talked about in 2016 that was considered radical that people are going to start working on over the next decade. and the impact of his two campaigns will be felt not the socialist way, they will be felt in a way that i think american leaders more in the middle and some on the left and maybe a few

on the right are going to work together and figure out how to use the government and market forces to help realize some of bernie sanders dreams, or parts of it. i want to go, ron fournier, to you and just let's -- let's just stop for a second and realize how good donald trump's political operation is. because they saw something in the numbers six months ago about joe biden in states like michigan that freaked them out. in fact, they were so freaked out by what they saw if joe biden won the democratic primary that the president actually risked getting impeached to stop joe biden in his tracks. in fact, he was so freaked out by joe biden running against him in the general election campaign, that he did get himself impeached. and now they're freaking out and

attacking him every day. they're talking about his family again. and now they're even, get this, ron, and we're going to be showing some clips that some people sent in to us of donald trump and some of his interesting moments giving speeches, they're actually attacking joe biden for occasionally slurring his words and having his speech jumbled up. you talk about the pot calling the kettle black. but they're desperate. but my takeaway have when you see biden winning this dominately, actually donald trump's campaign knew something that the rest of us didn't know six months ago, and that is that joe biden is kryptonite to donald trump. >> they're smart enough to know that he would be the toughest candidate to run against, no doubt. i don't know if they're smart enough to realize that they're the ones who have made him strong. that it's donald trump's behavior that drove up turnout

in livingston county by 50%. it's donald trump's behavior that turned this state blue two years ago. it's donald trump's behavior that has put together this coalition of african-american voters who largely sat on the sidelines four years ago but now are coming out and suburban voters who voted for trump and are now voting for joe biden. do they realize that macomb county which went for trump last year flipped last night because of donald trump's behavior. i don't know if donald trump is smart enough to realize that he's his worst enemy. >> yeah. all right. well, ron fournier, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> and you know what? hope springs eternal in march. go tigers! let's win it all, baby. >> world series, man! >> world series this year, you better believe it. thank you so much, ron. we'll see you very soon. and, mika, it was a dominate performance by joe biden, but i

do wonder how much the news of the day, the news of the week with the chaos unfurling inside the white house while we have what many people are now calling a global pandemic is unfurling, i wonder if that return to normalcy that sounded so dull on the campaign trail, that people mocked and ridiculed joe biden for, who wants to return to normalcy? i wander if the last couple of weeks haven't made a lot of democratic voters hold up their hand and go, i want to return to normalcy, especially now. >> maybe. although you really could see it in the south carolina debate. the -- i mean, his performance wasn't that much different. but the audience was with him. and you saw the turnout in south carolina, the results in south carolina, and you saw the polls all heading toward a big win. it appears people are really with joe biden. they know him, they like him, and he's really the direct

contrast, the direct contrast to donald trump. and they feel it. that's what it appears to be right now. up next, an early morning update on the coronavirus from a pair of medical experts. what we've learned overnight about the spread and as we go to break, msnbc legal analysts joyce vance responded to the president this morning who was up late tweeting attacks at elizabeth warren. joyce wrote, quote, the president support at midnight belittling women and native people while americans are dying of coronavirus. and the numbers of sick people are increasing because he has no plan. >> think about that. up at midnight not fretting about senior citizens in florida and in michigan and wisconsin, and pennsylvania, and across america. >> we talked about his lack of empathy, his lack of feeling for people. we might be seeing it play out right now. >> and for seniors especially. >> you're watching "morning

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we would like the down the realize that as a nation, we can't be doing the kinds of things we were doing a few months ago. that it doesn't matter if you're in a state that has no cases or one case, you have to start taking seriously what you can do now that if and when the infections will come, and they will come, sorry to say, sad to say, they will. >> joining us now, "morning joe" chief medical correspondent dr. dave campbell. dr. dave, obviously a lot of dramatic developments in the past 24 hours due to the coronavirus. we had an op-ed, president trump's former homeland security director tom bossert said that hospitals are ten days away from being slammed. do you share those concerns and should people go to the hospital? >> mika, that depends on what we

all do in the next week starting today. so former director bossert said that the united states will be slammed in ten days, implying that we need to act immediately and aggressively implementing those policies to mitigate this disease as it progresses. i will say what he said, it's now or never for the united states if it hopes to keep the coronavirus from burning out of control. so, it is a big concern and today is the day. everyone can start, they can go coronavir coronavirus.gov, it's thick, it's full of information. it comes from dr. fauci and many others, but it lays out the plan for the public so that we can keep ourselves and our friends and family and neighbors safe starting today from what we do at home, what we do at work, what we do at school. so that's -- that's what we have to do today.

>> but unless i missed it, when we start get these large numbers, when the tests finally come, which is something we need to talk about, because the testing isn't even halfway where it needs to be, which is astounding. so you get people who are being tested. are they running to hospitals? what's the policy to try and mitigate, to try and contain? we have new rochelle new york, governor cuomo set up a one-mile containment area in new rochelle new york. exactly what is that accomplishing? >> the governor determined that new rochelle needs a special public health strategy. he litter rally h he litter rally has put eilidh around it so that interactions kept to a minimum. he did that because it's the largest cluster in the united states right now. it's a hot spot. it started a week ago with one positive test and in one week there are 108 positive tests as

of yesterday and no reason to think there won't be more today. >> so obviously physicians and nurses across the board, some of them having to make their own decisions, but you guys are the backbone of the health care system. how is this affecting you and your patients and the way you do your job? >> i'm taking my lead from the surgeon general. we have heard yesterday that for surge capacity in hospitals and health care in general, we need people, we need equipment, and we need space. so what i started two days ago is postponing elective spinal surgery scheduling. today when i go to my office, which will be a busy clippic dada clinic day, we're going to check people's temperature and if they're showing any signs that we should be concerned about, we will help them get somewhere else rather than sit in a busy waiting room next to other people. >> dr. dave campbell, thank you very much. now, according to the "new york times" in the early days of the

outbreak, thousands of flu samples sat in seattle as researchers sought to test and flag them for the coronavirus. but the cdc wouldn't allow it. the times notes that interviews and emails show they began performing coronavirus tests anyway without government approval and what results came back, they had a positive test from a local teenager with no recent travel history. the first case of community transmission in the region. as the times puts it, the failure to to into the flu study was just one in a series of missed chances by the federal government to ensure more widespread testing during the early days of the outbreak when containment would have been easier. instead, local officials across the country were left to work in the dark as the crisis grew undetected and exponentially. let's bring in emergency physician and public health professor at george washington

university dr. lana nguyen nguyen. she previously served as baltimore's health commissioner. great to have you back on the show. any word on when there will be conclusive testing across the board so that the experts can get a handle on this crisis and work with real information to contain it? >> look, you're right, mika. this has been a major misstep by the federal government. we are where we are now because we just don't know what the situation is. and the federal government has been promising that we're going to get these millions of tests, but i know that here in maryland and all around the country that clinicians that want to test their patients and need to test their patients just don't have enough testing capacity. but we are where we are and we have to move forward. we have to take this extremely seriously. we're going to see many hundreds, if not thousands, of cases in the next coming weeks. and this is the time for us to

prepare and to do everything we can in our daily lives, because our individual actions will make a big difference. and we have to guard for these disruptions as they happen. schools are going close, events are going to be canceled, and it will be hard for us, but we have to be ready for it because literally lives are going to be at stake here in this country too. >> dr. wen, let's talk about what it means to be ready. the president said yesterday of coronavirus, it will go away, just stay calm. i'm sure you don't share that view of the approach to this virus. but we had two presidential candidates last night cancel big campaign events. we have a giant basketball tournament starting next week, the ncaa march madness tournament with stadiums and arenas full of people. where do you think this is headed in the next week or ten days? are people going to stop going to events? will more events be canceled? will school be canceled? should people stop going to work? where are you on where this is

headed right now? >> we are -- let's look at even where we were two weeks ago. two weeks ago we had 15 cases that were diagnosed in the u.s. we now have over a thousand. that number is going to escalate dramatically in the next two weeks. the responsible thing for to us do now is to cancel events. it's to practice this social distancing and do whatever we can knowing that it's going to be hard. it will be hard when schools get canceled. it will be hard when all these large events get canceled with huge business consequences. but if we don't do that, what's going to happen is that we'll have so many cases come up at the same time that it will overwhelm our ability and hospitals to treat patients. and then patients with heart attacks and strokes and trauma are not going to get treated either and people are going to die. it's up to all of us to cancel events, not go to large crowded events ourselves and really take this extremely seriously, even

if the federal government is putting out muddled messaging. we need to be doing the right thing for our communities. >> and the leadership seems to be coming from state governments, local government, even schools which are doing a great job trying to stay ahead of this. as you know, south korea attacked this problem quickly. hong kong has done the same. china has done better in the last week. what can we learn from the experience of those nations as we try to address it here? >> we can learn that it's not enough to be reacting to what's already happened. we have to anticipate what's going to happen and not be afraid to take aggressive early action. if we had done more in weeks before, we wouldn't be where we are now. now, we have to look forward and we have to do more, but that's why we cannot be afraid. and it will be up to local and state governments. the cdc provides guidance, but ultimately a lot of decisions are made at the local level and our local leaders have to be unafraid to tell the truth, to

communicate honestly, and to do the right thing. >> so dr. wen, i'm wondering, i still don't understand how hospitals figure into all of this, because i still -- it just appears from everything that we know, the science, that you don't want people with coronavirus in a hospital. so is there any move being made to put them somewhere where it can be contained? i don't know how you contain it in a hospital. >> it's a really good question, and the advice and also what we've seen in other countries is that most people who get coronavirus, covid 19, will have mild symptoms. 80% will have mild symptoms that do not require hospital care. those people should recover at home and not even set foot in a hospital. and that's the so-called worried well too. people who may not have coronavirus but are worried about it. the key is don't go to the er, don't good to the hospital if

you are not going to already. if you're having trouble breathing, if you need hospital care, call your doctor and then go to the hospital. but otherwise stay at home and recover. now, my fear is that even if we have a moderate outbreak here in the u.s., we're going to need something like 200,000 intensive care beds. the u.s. only has 100,000 intensive care beds at any point in time. so we could easily overwhelm the health care system. so don't go to the hospital unless you're really ill. and we have to try to reduce the rate of infection so that hopefully we can spread it out and not overwhelm the system all at the same time. we could even delay it long enough until we can have a v vaccine or treatment which we don't have now. >> doctor, thank you so much for being on the show with us. we'll see you soon. in a "new york times" op-ed entitled protect caregivers from coronavirus, national domestic

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it is 49 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." a few things define president trump more than his attempts to deflect criticism by projecting his weaknesses ton to others. when he claims russia would have preferred hillary clinton as president, he's projecting. when he claims the obama administration mishandled a health crisis, he's projecting. and joe mentioned this with ron fournier earlier in the show. when his campaign accuses joe biden of making gaffs and in a statement last night of being, quote, confused, yes, he's projecting. here's the video evidence as put together by the daily show. >> i know words, i have the best words. ♪ >> in 1870, president ulysses s. grant, that beautiful oryon space capsule.

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working to improve this country and dur government. and god bless united states. thank you very much. thank you. >> i mean, and the fact that the campaign is actually attacking joe biden for stumbling around, 100th of the time donald trump does. we have more of that coming up through the show. willie, so the daily show actually has brackets and for your favorite word, i can't got to say, two of my favorites are stanks, stanksary and i like slot rocket for stock market. but what made that video were the dazed and confused faces in the background.

and i'm days and confused, of course, every day. but especially now that donald trump and his campaign is actually attacking joe biden for messing up a word here and there. >> yeah. >> it's pretty funny. >> as you suggest subtly with that video, i don't think it's an argument that the trump campaign wants to have because the daily show will roll that out. shoutout to the daily show, subtle note for basketball fans, they had one shining moment, the great cbs song played underneath that video the entire time. stanksary was my favorite word. >> really was. mike barnicle was about to bring that up, but, mike, again, every time -- so you've got -- you've got trump -- you've got trump supporters, you've got the trump spain campaig campaign and useful ridioidiots

russia going on and attacking joe biden because sometimes he slurs his words. sometimes he doesn't have the clearest delivery. i must say, that compared to donald trump, and, again, there are most of these coming over the next three hours, just comparing joe biden to donald trump, when you look at just the wide range of donald trump, biden sounds like biwinston churchill compared to donald trump. >> it was a genius piece of tape put together by the daily show, no doubt about it. it was a lot funnier about two months ago. but i couldn't help but thinking about the number of people waking up today watching that just now thinking to themselves, what have we done? and there's going to be a price to pay, as we said earlier, for what he has not done. >> and, you know, mika, the more they go after biden on this

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just over a week ago many pundits declared this that this candidacy was dead. now we're very much alive. [ applause ] and although there's a way to go, looks like we're going to have another good night.

>> it was another good night for joe biden in yesterday's democratic primary contest. the former vice president extended his delegate lead with victories in at least four of the six states that voted last night. michigan, missouri, mississippi, and idaho. the north dakota caucus is too early to call where bernie sanders is currently up by seven. washington state which has been rocked by the coronavirus is too close to call. sanders up by .2%. any talk of a 2016-like comeback in michigan was blunted by biden's double-digit lead, 53 to 32.5%. biden has been awarded 65 of the delegates so far. sanders 45. 15 delegates are still on the table. we're also watching mississippi. not because of biden's massive 81% of the vote, but because of

sanders. the board says he won 15%, but it's actually 14.8. if sanders doesn't reach the 15% threshold, he won't get a single statewide delegate from mississippi. biden now leads the overall delegate count by 150. 836 to 686. welcome back to "morning joe." it is wednesday, march 11th, along with joe, willie and me we have msnbc national affairs analyst co-host of show time's the issue is cuss and editor and chief of the recount,on heilman. pul litser prize columnist and msnbc political analysts, eugene robinson. chief public affairs officer for move on and msnbc contributor, karine jean-pierre. and ceo jim messina. he served as deputy chief of staff to president obama and ran his 2012 re-election campaign.

>> willie, we characterized last night as a good night for joe biden. any politician would consider it to be a great night. you take michigan, mississippi, missouri, joe biden won every county in all three of those states. even kwhash wwashington which w supposed to be an easy victory. you would expect the later votes to be breaking joe biden's way. any way you look at that time, this is yet another super tuesday for joe biden. >> i had the same thoughts a heard that clip coming in when joe biden said we had a good night. no, its with a great night for him by any measure. if you look at the state of michigan, that was bernie sanders' last stand, effectively, at least for this tuesday. he put all of his resources in there. remember he pulled up states out of mississippi, held a bunch of rallies there, had a huge rally on the campus of the university of michigan just a few days ago, and then lost the county where the university of michigan is. as you is can see, the entire

map is blue. that's i had base of support. joe biden did it with african-american voters, white suburban women, older voters, still didn't win among younger voters, but, jim, when you look, you've run some of these campaigns, when you look at not just the dominance of the wins in michigan and mississippi and missouri, but at the way he did it, you can sort of see now a biden coalition coming together. the difference, as you know from the obama coalition, he's not yet getting those younger voters, bernie still winning them. >> that's the only thing he's not getting, right? i think the numbers, really to joe's point, washington state really surprised me. this is a state that bernie should have won by ten, 15 points usually. the fact that it's too close to call shows that joe biden is starting to consolidate these voters. he's going to need these in the general election, these white swing voters who are moving to him with numbers that are pretty unprecedented. i think that's what was really interested last night. >> you know, john heilemann, i'm reminded of joe biden's success

in this campaign by what my high school football coach bobby fulton told the pensacola news journal when they asked about our team. he said you know what? we're slow but we're small. joe biden, his campaign doesn't have any money, but it doesn't have any organization either. and yet, he keeps winning. he doesn't just -- this is like reagan landslide material if it were in the democratic primary process. and it seems to me that everything we thought we knew about politics in 2012 and how to win a modern campaign in 2012 with analytics and micro targeting, what 2016 didn't blow to pieces, 2020 is right now. >> two things we didn't know before, maybe we forgot, but the momentum in presidential

politics really can trump everything. and we know that from previous presidential races, right? why do we care about iowa normally? we care because the winner of iowa gets a huge surge of free media attention and that blows away all the advertising spending, blows away all the other organizational advantages. that's what happens. barack obama wins iowa in 2008 and he gets such an enormous amount of media coverage, that all of a sudden the whole previous year melts away. that happened for joe biden, it just didn't happen for the winner of iowa. it didn't happen when it was supposed to happen. no in this case it was a delayed momentum effect. it was south carolina that was the race that granted that big burst of momentum and then the rest is history. that huge free media burst after

south carolina with all the endorsements from his rivals, we saw two more of those this week with kamala harris and cory booker. that's what biden is riding. he's riding that wave of momentum and it's just getting big, he which makes him, i think at this point, with the absence of a giant, catastrophic human failure, which is what this debate is going to be about on sunday, in the absence of that, the momentum will carry biden to the nomination along with the delegate count. but there's still that debate. >> and, gene robinson, talking about lowe this all linhow this it's consistent with what you and i have been saying and what we've been asking for a year now. and we looked at the candidates, the white candidates that were going to win white iowa and white new hampshire with white voters, and we kept asking the same thing. of these 22 candidates that are out there, other than joe biden, who can win in orangeburg south

carolina? who can win in jackson, mississippi? who can win in tuscaloosa, alabama, among black voters who, again, as we've been saying, are the core of the democratic primary process? the answer was only one of those 22, and his name's joe biden. >> that's absolutely right. i mean, it really is an astonishing story, though. if you remember just think back exactly two weeks, right, think two weeks ago and the biden campaign was being given up for dead for good reason. because it had no money, it had no campaign, you know, television ads, it had no staff in the, you know, no staff offices in the super tuesday states. and then came the jim clyburn endorsement. and that was the first domino that -- that led to us where we are today. you had that wave of support,

especially african-american support in south carolina. but not exclusively. also suburban whites voted for joe biden. and then you -- it just sort of picked up steam. and we saw the result again last night. it was extraordinary. i mean, there is a good chance that joe biden could actually end up pulling out the state of washington, which is just -- which is unheard of. and the sweep in michigan, every county, every county in mississippi, every county missouri. i mean, this is -- this is just extraordinary. it's as if the party led by african-american voters has made a decision and it's going to continue to play out. and, of course, anything can happen in the debate that's coming up. but this -- last night an air of near finality about it to me.

>> it's as if, mika, the black voters in south carolina starting their after seeing the results of iowa and new hampshire turned collectively at the same time and said, hold my beer. >> yeah. >> we're now -- thank you so much. we think that's so cute what you did in iowa, new hampshire, now -- >> now you're talking about us. >> now we're going to tell you who's going to win the democratic nomination. that's exactly what happened. >> well, joe biden owes part of his big primary victories last night to his support among white college educated women. one of senator elizabeth warren's key voting blocks. according to an nbc news exit pole, almost half of white college educated women backed biden during yesterday's contest compared to the 30% who voted for sanders. this is an almost 20-point

uptick for biden from prior primaries before warren dropped out of the race. meanwhile, biden continued to perform well among key voting groups, including in michigan where he received over 60 percent of the vote of african americans and votes over 45. in mississippi he won over 80% of the vote of older voters. moderate and conservatives and black voters. and in missouri, over 80% of democratic voters who said they wanted a candidate who can unite the country chose former vice president biden. >> karine, forgive me for the former republican in me saying that i'm sure we'll make many shiver around the table, but in the case of joe biden, it looks like a rising tide lifts all boats. i mean, he is winning in every group. and, you know, even in massachusetts we talked about college-educated women. in massachusetts last week, i mean, that was college-educated

women, that was the core of elizabeth warren's strength. >> yeah. >> joe biden knocked that down be to about 33% of college-educated women voting for elizabeth warren. this is happening in massachusetts, in michigan, in mississippi, in missouri. it is widespread across the nation. >> yeah. it's been amazing to watch, joe. since south carolina, joe biden's coalition has just gotten stronger and stronger and stronger. and you're talking about black voters, older voters, suburban women. and that is the group that is carrying him through these primaries from now until, right until this is -- this is all over. what this reminds me of, joe, is 2018. this is the coalition that delivered the house to democrats. that's what joe biden is building and bringing forward. and i have to also just congratulate joe biden on his speech last night. the speech was on message, it was on point, and him reaching

out to bernie in a respectful way and also his voters, it's so important. because bernie sanders did have or does have an impressive coalition, an impressive movement, and we're going to need those voters. so for him to have done that was really important. and to look presidential when we have a president that's not presidential at this moment. and people keep asking, what is bernie going to do? i think we should give him the grace and the space to figure that out. we were talking about the arizona debate coming up. my only fear is that it's not divisive. if we go to that point. because we cannot give donald trump anymore a.mmunition. >> jim, turnout was another big story, huge turnout in the state of michigan, mississippi, showing joe biden can get people out to the polls, whether they're going to vote for him or donald trump, whoever it is. but to karine's point, his campaign said we're going to the debate on sunday, it will be in

phoenix, there will be no audience, two men standing on a stage way moderator, which will an interesting debate. and then next tuesday comes florida, illinois, ohio, and these big states, and arizona that likely will not be great for bernie sanders. jim clyburn said last night on television, i think it's time for to us shut this primary down. it's time for to us cancel the rest of the debates. james carville said voters want to shut this down. there is some view in the party that the choice is clear, voters have made their choice, it is joe biden and everyone should consolidate around him. the sanders campaign says not so fast. how do you think the party should proceed that the moment? >> i think on tuesday we're going to see even bigger numbers for joe biden. and you're starting to see mathematically it's just not going to be possible anymore for bernie sanders to win the nomination. then he has some tough decisions to make. it's my opinion unlikely bernie will want to get out of this

race anytime soon. he didn't last time and he's going to want to continue on for a while here. i think the way this transition occurs, joe biden now has to start looking at the general election. he's got to start pivoting, you know, the numbers that mika talked about earlier with white suburban women are incredibly important. these are the voters that hillary didn't get the numbers she needed in 2016 and then lost the presidency because of it. these are the voters that decided to give nancy pelosi the speakership in 2018. these are the voters that joe biden needs and he's got to start focusing on them and he's got to care a little bit less about the primary and more about the general election. but i'm a little skeptical you're going to see bernie sanders want to get out of this race as quick as though people like me think he should. >> yeah. >> jim messina, you've been doing this for such a long time. have you ever seen anything in modern american politics that's rivaled the turn around over the past two weeks, where two weeks ago this morning everybody was declaring joe biden's candidacy over? >> you know, people always underestimate the voters of

america. and they really are smarter than anyone gives them credit for. and they figured this thing out. they decided, you know, in south carolina and in these other states joe biden is the candidate that can beat donald trump in the general election. 69% of democrats said the most important issue is who can beat donald trump. and they decided very quickly led by the great voters of the state of south carolina and then momentum really mattered here. to your question, joe, no, it was the most consequential 96 hours that i think we have ever seen in modern-american politics. to take a candidacy of joe biden who we all assumed was dead and flip it to now two weeks later he's the presumptive nominee for president and now we're discussing the general election. just not seeing movement like this. and if you look at what's coming in the calendar, the big states of florida, of arizona, of ohio, illinois, it's very unlikely that this thing can get derailed. i think joe biden is the democratic nominee for president. >> so, john heilemann, we often

look at a debate, look at the polls after the debate and suggest that they don't really matter that much. they certainly the south carolina debate mattered, the nevada debate mattered. jim clyburn after the nevada debate when history's written will record that jim clyburn was actually considering supporting another candidate after that debate. and that, obviously, would have changed the arc of this race and changed history after south carolina. i mean, he was firmly in joe biden's corner. talk about the stakes of the next debate as well as the way bernie sanders mai may want y w in this race a lot longer than democratic establishment will want him to stay in this race. >> i heard them say the race is effectively over, i don't disagree. jim can do the math as easily as the sanders campaign can. biden up by 150 pledged bell

gates delegates. next week if everything continues, he could be up by 250 by the end of next tuesday, he wins a landslide in florida and he's likely to carry all four of those states next tuesday. i think that brings us back to what's in bernie sanders' head. we ask the question, is the race over? it's kind of over when bernie sanders says it's over. because in the end his voters are -- there's millions of them, democrats do need them to win in the fall, and so as long as sanders stays in in race and prosecutes it, that's how long the race goes on. which brings to us that debate on sunday. the only thing we heard, sanders didn't speak last night, incredibly unusual thing. bernie sanders has never gone a primary or caucus night where he didn't give a speech. he's in burlington. they put out the word he was going to take the night off, not give a speech and think things over. then by the end of the night his campaign people were saying, we're going to go to this debate on sunday and then we'll see what happens. i do think that why sanders wants to debate, he wants that last time, i think, on the debate stage. he wants to have one opportunity to debate with joe biden one on

one, something we haven't seen before. i do think that's the one thing that could, i don't think there's a high likelihood of it, but for sanders i think he's got to be thinking is there a possibility that joe biden could fail in some way in this debate, not that sanders would beat him badly, but that some kind of an error that biden would make would give the party a collective sense of buyer's remorse. i say the odds of that happening are very small. but i think that's part of what sanders is thinking. he's also dealing with his followers who don't want him to quit. so this is a tricky thing for bernie sanders. even if he wants to get out, he's got to figure out how to get his voters to accept the notion of him getting out and then be able to move over to support joe biden in the long run. that's a hard, tricky thing for any politician to do. >> well, you know, karine, too often we forget the human side of these candidates and their lives and the considerations that go to continuing a campaign. you have bernie sanders 78 years

old who had a heart attack, who was told that he needed to cancel his event in ohio because of the coronavirus. you have certain limitations that are going to be placed on both bernie sanders and joe biden. and actually should-plac be plan donald trump but it's a president who is going to be ignoring his own health care officials and continuing to convene these huge crowds which will spread the coronavirus even more. you just have to look at bernie sanders' situation electorally and also personally and say how much longer will he want to carry this out if he can't hold the big rallies, if he can't do the things that have to be done to change the momentum of a presidential election that has swung dramatically against him? >> that's exactly right. look, this is an uphill battle for bernie sanders. this whole process is about the math and the narrative. and the math is difficult for him and the narrative is not on

his side. and so he has to make some tough, tough decisions. but i do want to say, look, bernie sanders played a very important role in the last four years in the democratic process and the democratic party, i should say, which is moving the democratic party, making voters understand that there are possibilities which will matter down the road. i heard you talk about this, joe, earlier, 20 years from now, a decade from now on where we are with universal health care. that is very, very key and important. but like you said, the coronavirus is going to change the outlook of this primary process now. and someone like bernie sanders, the energy comes from his -- from the rallies that he has with thousands and thousands of people showing up. and so that's going to weigh heavily as well on how he moves forward. but like i said earlier, we have to give him the grace and the space. and like john heilemann said, this race ends when bernie sanders decides it ends. >> but one quick thing.

one of bernie sanders most prominent supporters had a very interesting relactiaction last if the wasn't we will fight them on the beaches. we will fight them on the landing strips. that wasn't it. it was this is a really tough night. as we look forward, we have to look to accountability and the issues that we brought forth and that sort of thing. it was not a message of surrender or anything like that, but it was an attempt to sort of build a bridge, i think, to the, you know, to the campaign that seems to be running away with this thing. it was just a very interesting reaction from somebody who's influential. >> and you know who else did that last night, joe, was vice president joe biden. he said this. i want to thank bernie sanders and their supporters for their tireless energy and passion. we share a common goal together. we'll defeat donald, we'll defeat him together. we're going to bring this nation

together. that was joe biden last night after the results had come in. >> well, and joe biden certainly can empathize with bernie sanders feeling this morning because joe biden was feeling it just four weeks ago. >> yes. >> so he knows the last thing anybody wants on a morning after a heartbreaking campaign loss like that is to be big footed and have democratic leaders and having this democratic establishment that he's been running against trying to push him out of the race. everybody needs to take a deep breath and see how things play out. i know -- i'm seeing and hearing a lot of people concerned about the next democratic debate. let me tell you something. joe biden can't hand will the next democratic debate, he can't handle the debate with donald trump, so that's not an argument that democrats need to make. they're trying to push bernie sanders out of the race. the more debates joe biden has, the more practices joe biden has, the stronger joe biden will be in the fall. >> john heilemann, jim messina,

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[ laughter ] >> what just happened? c >> it's. >> every one of those could be the final scene as the he wanders away. >> our veep as well. everything donald trump says is either confession or projection. >> total projection. >> so, again, willie, there's so many of these out there, you just wonder how much longer is a campaign really going to suggest that there's another candidate in the race who sometimes seems confused and disoriented. because for every clip they have, there are 30 of donald trump. >> and this is a core case beyond burisma and thingsing that got donald trump impeached, from people around the campaign, i'm not sure what they're doing,

democrats talking about biden's cognitive decline there is not an argument, i again, i think the president wants to have. >> well, useful idiots for russia are even doing it. so you start tying things together and you say, this seems to be actually a much bigger -- bigger play by people that are -- have been useful idiots for russia in the past and other influencers who aren't even in our country. >> all right. joining us now, former u.s. senator, now an nbc news and msnbc contributor clair mccaskill. and "morning joe" contributor kurt bardella joins us clair, talk about joe biden's big within but also what's the math for bernie at that point? >> the math is pretty unforgiving at that point. i don't think anybody should

rush to pound bernie to get out of the race because no matter what happens in the debate sunday night, next week is going to be, i think, just as brutal as last night was in terms of the margins. and, remember, the margins matter in terms of gaining delegates. he's about 160 delegates ahead now. probably will be another 50 or so ahead next week, and then the following week you have georgia. the math is what it is, and hopefully bernie and his followers will see the importance of unification sooner rather than later, but that's completely up to bernie. >> you know, it's very interesting, marc leibovich, looking at the results and a lot of pundits, a lot of political players, a lot of democrats shocked by how quickly joe biden's thundeurned this around it's very interesting that donald trump and his campaign team knew something last year. that is that they lot data that obviously showed them that they had reasons to be very, very

nervous about joe biden winning the democratic primary because, of course, the president got himself impeached trying to disqualify joe biden. now they're doing these -- these bizarre attacks on joe biden for things that donald trump does every day. i'm wondering, what -- what's your thought? you've seen the results coming out of michigan, does the trump campaign have reason to be concerned that joe biden can start piecing together that obama coalition from 2008 and 2012? >> absolutely. it's not just the trump campaign and the president himself who saw this coming, i think a lot of people did. the question is cot biden campaign and could joe biden execute it to a point where he got here. obviously he had a rocky or a very, very rough few weeks and he didn't have the best campaign lie leading up to really everything before south carolina. so, you know, it looked like sort of an insurance policy for

a while as far as the white house was concerned. but i think this is what they were afraid of. and not only is it joe biden himself his appeal to african-americans and suburban women, but the turnouts he's been getting have to be chilling to the white house at this point, which might be worse than they even expected. >> hey, clair, so let's talk about how joe biden has been doing this. there was a lot of concern for obvious reasons when he came in fourth in iowa, fife new jersey new hampshire, he was a distant second in nevada. we had voters in new hampshire coming up to us and saying this felt like a farewell tour. they were going joe's events to say good-bye to him politically, effectively. and now here is he looking like a juggernaut rolling across the country. what has he been able to do from south carolina forward to put this thing together? because, yes, it began with african-american voters and they deserve a lot of the credit here. but the coalition is bigger than that now. >> and the interesting thing is

somebody smarter than i am said this last night. maybe we need to look at the first two or three contests as outliers. >> yeah. >> rather than what happened afterwards as an outlier. and it really adds to the argument that maybe we've got the wrong states first. maybe we do need to go to more diverse places right out of the -- out of the gun in terms of starting with states that look more like the democratic party. think that's part of it. the other part of it is the other candidates who didn't see a path all coalesced behind joe biden. think about it. even elizabeth warren has not endorsed bernie sanders, which, of course, is driving the sanders supporters crazy. but nobody that has dropped out has endorsed bernie sanders. whereas, all of the ones so far that have endorsed -- it's a large group now, even mr. math yang has said that -- and he's probably many of his supporters, i think, relate to bernie, said it's interesting to me that the

party has figured out that joe biden is the safe choice. and safety say big deal right now. >> mika, we can add in this morning that gabby giffordss that endorsed joe biden. >> state officials in new york have set a one-mile containment area in new rochelle. public schools in the area will be closed until march 25th and the national guard has been deployed to the area. as of yesterday, westchester county has seen 108 confirmed cases of the virus. governor cuomo, or how does the containment area work and for people who are infected or are worried that they're infected, are they still going to the hospital? >> well, thanks. good to be with you, mika. you know, all this talk about politics, i think what the coronavirus reminds people is

that there's nothing theoretical about government, right? this is about making a difference in people's lives, mobilizing, and being effective. and that's what we're seeing now. on the new rochelle area specifically, it's the most dense cluster of cases in the united states. we have 108 cases in new rochelle. i think you get an idea, new york city only has 36. new york city is 100 times the size of new row sel shelchelle. what the containment means large gatherings in that area are postponed. people can go and come, it's not eight quarantine area, but no large gatherings because that's where it's spreading. the numbers are going to go up exponentially. we don't see it in the testing yet because we're not testing enough. and it's much bigger out there than we even know. so we have to take real actions and we have to take them quickly. >> so, governor, just so other

communities can learn from what happened in new rochelle, could you just briefly walk us through how one man being infected has now led to the densest cluster, the most dense cluster in the united states and what other communities should do to avoid what happened in new rochelle? what's required you to take such a dramatic step. >> yeah. joe, it's math. you know, this community happened to have a couple of large gatherings back to back. they had a large religious gathering where you had about 400 people. they then had a couple of days later another large gathering. and it's just math. it's just the trajectory of exposure. there's nothing extraordinary. and what the other countries did is they did the massive testing, you know, china was doing 200,000 tests a day. south korea was doing 15,000 tests a day. we've done 5,000 to date. so what i would say, what i have been saying to other governors,

is you're on your own, you know. let the states take action because when they do the retrospective here, i think this is going to be the public health version of hurricane katrina. the federal government has just fallen down on the job, so let the states do it. >> so i'm still trying to understand, though, how the containment area is going to work because if somebody has symptoms, like, for example, the man who, you know, this story began with, he went to the hospital in neighboring bronxville and then ended up in the city. so what is happening to people who have the virus who are feeling symptoms, perhaps need care? >> well, in this -- in this area in new rochelle, the hot spot, first, no large gatherings. second, we're bringing testing into the community. you know, this testing has been such a fiasco. even people going to a hospital is a problem. they get into care, they expose the cab, they get into a

hospital, they expose workers. so we're bringing testing, mobile testing units to new rochelle. and you literally can drive in tie mobile testing unit. it's all contained it's all isolated, and you get the test right there. >> excellent. >> we are getting very aggressive on the testing because if you look at the way it has been stopped in other countries, it's massive quarantine or massive testing. wet don't want to quarantine so we're going to have to do the testing. and we can't wait for the federal government because it's not going to happen. >> governor -- governor, it's willie geist. tom bossert who is president trump's homeland security secretary said yesterday we are ten days away from the hospitals in the united states here getting creamed. he wrote an op-ed in the "washington post" on monday that said we're headed toward the crisis in what it looks like in italy, frankly. i'm getting even this morning from doctors and people in italy flashing red lights that what we have here is headed your way if

you don't get smart about this. so what is your threshold, governor, for closing schools? i know that's a municipal question, but for closing schools, for canceling any gatherings, for telling people just stop going to work, work electronically, we can now. do google chat. question do thiswe can do this. is there a moment where you say we've got to shut things down for a while? >> willie, think you see the trajectory going straight up. i'm going to speak to business leaders in new york today. i'm going to ask them to voluntarily to do telecommuting, two shifts, a morning shift and a late shift, and let people work from home voluntarily. we are -- we have closed some schools. we've closed schools in this hot spot in new rochelle. at the same time, we're trying to slow it down but ramping up the testing. and hopefully the federal government is going to release

the handcuffs that they've been controlling the process. and that's the way the other countries have gotten ahead of it, with testing. but think you're right if the is all the numbers say it's going to be a wave. we're worried about the health care system. we're studying very closely our vak kans vacancy and we're planning backup hospitals and quarantine centers if you will, in case we overwhelm the health care system. because that's the real challenge. can you deal with the number of sick in the hospitals. and then my number one concern, my nightmare, nursing homes, senior citizen centers, congregate care facilities for seniors. that's the vulnerable population. and that's what we have to keep an eye on. because that's where we could have a real issue. that was washington state and these congregate senior facilities where vulnerable people are all close together, that's -- that's my number one concern. >> so, governor, i went back

yesterday and watched an address to the nation by president obama of the ebola crisis in which he was pretty straightforward in terms of what we were doing, what the government was doing, what the government could do. in the case of new york, in the case of new rochelle, you were talking about the government's failure. what would you expect the federal government to be doing and what are they not doing that is critical to both new york, both your needs, and every governor, every state? >> yeah, look, mike, let me be candid but let me be careful because i don't want the president tweeting at me of that broadcast. i have to work with the federal government to make it work here. but, we knew this was coming in november and december. we knew what was happening in china. we had to know that somebody was going to get on an airplane and come to the united states, right? how we get to this point where we do not have testing capacity

anywhere near what we need, literally the hhs secretary says yesterday, 5,000 tests to date. korea, south korea, 15,000 tests a day. china 200,000 tests a day. that's how you stayed ahead of this thing. that's how they turned the curve. we're nowhere near that. it reminds me of hurricane katrina, just a failed federal response and failed federal mobilization. they underestimated the challenge. now, who and how and why, i don't know. i'll tell you in this whole political conversation we're having i think it's said to people, hey, remember government matters, guys. this is not all theory and abstract, this is who can manage and who can get things done in a time of crisis. and i think that's what this coronavirus has done partially on the political scale.

but, the federal government has just had a really poor response. and what i'm saying to them is, at least get out of the way. you know, cdc, fda control all the approvals. they've been controlling the test process. i'm saying to them now, we know the horse is out of the barn, we know this is much more widespread, at least let the states scramble and do what they can. >> governor andrew cuomo, thank you very much for being on the show. we'll see you soon. >> great to have you with us and good luck with those tweets. so, kurt, if you look, you've written a piece that's right on. you look at donald trump's past tweets about barack obama and ebola, shows the hypocrisy. if you look at his currents tweets about "morning joe's" ratings, which, by the way, highest ever, thank you mr. president, and elizabeth warren and her campaign, you see how

terribly disconnected he is from the fear and the suffering of senior citizens in states like florida. people worried about their moms and dads, their grandmothers or grandfathers across states like michigan that we were talking about last night and across america. he is disconnected and also, as you point out, so hypocritical if you look at his past tweets. >> well, joe, it's extraordinary that the governor of new york just had to just reference the fact that he has to be careful about what he says because during a national crisis the president might tweet something unkind about him while he's trying to deal with this crisis. that's extraordinary that we're at a point right now where that's even a factor as we're dealing with a life and death situations in public health and public welfare. and this is a person who we've seen time and again have no qualms about tweeting about these type of things during the ebola crisis, president trump while now today accosting the

media about trying to exacerbate the situation and accusing democrats of politicizing it. trump was sounding off on obama, a hundred tweets he sent between april and the fall during the ebola crisis constructive things like president obama is dumb. going after the ebolas are. continuing to incite panic and politicizing it. that's what trump is doing now. that's the biggest disconnect. we have a president and a republican party, frankly, who is completely out of touch with what people are concerned about. while this crisis is going on right now, nyou know what the senate republicans are doing? they're having a subpoena vote on the burisma hunter biden issue. they're not worried about the mismanagement and how we got there. they're going to try to go after the democratic front runner for president in a tax-payer funded it witch-hunt. >> clair mccaskill, what's so fascinating and shortsighted by this president, the people that are affected the most are senior

citizens. a lot of seniors who voted for him. i went to coach my son at a part is sporting event the other night. grandparents come to see the games, they come over, we shake hands, talk about their grand children. they were waving from a distance and i understood it. because if you're over 60 years old, you have been advised by the best medical minds in america to avoid public events. keep your distance. and, yet, this president who's victory was fueled in part by senior citizens, is the one who is putting senior lives at risk. >> what a joke. is he chairman of the homeland

security committee. right? >> oh my god. >> he has jurisdiction over coronavirus and the federal response. is he calling the hearing? is he trying to figure out why -- why responders' tests ag a shelf in the state of washington until they were no longer good? is he going to tell people why they can't get the test? no. the judiciary committee is not issuing subpoenas on hunter biden. the foreign affairs committee is not issuing subpoenas on hunter biden. this joke ron johnson is politicizing a committee that right now should have one focus, what is going on with the united states of america federal response to the coronavirus. people should be really angry about this. and the notion -- senator murphy, as kurt will tell you, he's written a letter asking all these agencies why are you

producing all these documents on hunter biden when you have refused to produce documents as had relates to president trump and his kids and all the grifting going on in the white house with his children. can you tell it makes me mad? i am so mad about it. >> who else it's going to make mad, willy, let take wisconsin and ron johnson. there's going to be an outbreak there as there is in every state. when we start having testing, it's going to be in every state and people are going to look to ron johnson and senior citizens are going to look and ask why didn't you do more earlier when you could have contained this? and they're going to ask ron johnson, who, again, runs a committee that has jurisdiction over containing the coronavirus and they're going to ask ron johnson and it's not going to be

a political question, it's going to be a question about senior citizens' health, about their lives, about whether what happened in washington state is going to happen in wisconsin and what was donald trump and what was ron johnson and what were other republicans chasing conspiracy theories mocking the outbreak of this, listening to talk show hosts who are saying it's no different than the common cold. i mean, what are they going to say to senior citizens in wisconsin after the outbreak? and, by the way, i'm not wishing that, i know that. you talk to any doctor, they will tell you it's in all of our states already. we just don't have the tests so we don't know who has it. >> and in the same week when president trump's former head of homeland security has said the hospitals are about to get creamed, we are headed toward italy, that is donald trump's former homeland security

committee, ron johnson is arguing about hunter biden and burst ma documen burisma documents. that's where his mind is in the middle of this crisis. it's a pretty wild thing to say but the country is looking past the president of the united states. they don't trust his leader she he leadership here, they don't trust what he says is not in his political interest. people are listening to people look governor cuomo, like the mayor of their city and the principal of their school who are doing a great job handling this, managing this. the president of the united states is being cut out of the equation, his analysis yesterday was, quote, this will go away, just stay calm. >> and they're concentrating on claire mccaskill calling her

colleague a tool on national television. a lot of the governors here, governor inslee of washington, governor cuomo, governor baker of massachusetts have legal taken the lead here in addition to mike pence. mook pence has opinion tbeen th this. many democrats have said he's done a pretty good job communicating, he's someone they've looked to deal with and feel they have a dialogue with, governor inslee has been speaking well of him. you have to wonder are they cutting the president out of the equation and is the president reacting to this by trying to amp up his own trumpiness to get attention and put this back on his terms, which if you think about it might not be the best messaging at this point. >> you hear about these local officials and other people stepping forwards principals in schools, doctors, teachers, governors, local officials doing what needs to be done, reminds

me so much of hurricane katrina where i was driving over with people doing relief work every day after the hurricane. the federal government wasn't there for ten days. who was on the ground? churches, synagogues, local relief efforts, national relief efforts were stepping in and filling that void because the federal government was failing miserably, just like the president is just clueless right now. >> i mean, i think what we're seeing is why government actually is important. and for all the rhetoric we hear at times from republicans about wanting less government, smaller government, governor out of our lives, when the every day things start failing -- when you go to the grocery store and there are empty shelves, there's no hand sanitizer, no cleaning supplies, no bleach, these are the things i saw firsthand at a target around the corner, that's when people start checking in and do they trust donald trump with their health, with making

decisions for their family and children and it looks so out of touch, joe, when you have a president who is tweeting about presidential candidates, petty nicknames, divisiveness and all of while trying to advance conspiracy theories about his front-runner, it sends the message he's not up to the job and it benefits the other side talking about competence, talking about working together, that's talking about unity, setting aside partisanship to try to get stuff done in the interest of public welfare. >> as nicolle wallace said last night, his performance at the cdc that we're seeing pictures of now gets more disturbing every time you look at it. >> you don't want to see that again. thank you both for being on this morning. and coming up, donald trump is leaning on republicans to help hmm win reelection. in michigan he just lost one of them. we'll talk to a gop mayor who marked his ballot for joe biden.

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as i said from the beginning, this election is one that has character on the ballot, the character of the candidates, the character of the nation is on the ballot. it's more than a comeback, in my view, our campaign. it's a comeback for the soul of this nation. this campaign is taking off and i believe we're going to do well from this point on. take nothing for granted. i want to earn every single vote in every single state, but if you're willing, if you want to join us, go to joebiden.com. sign up. sign up. volunteer. and contribute if you can. we need you, we want you,

there's a place in our campaign for each of you. >> it was nor danother dominantt for joe biden. the former vice president extended his delegate lead with victories in at least four of the six states that voted last night, michigan, missouri, mississippi and idaho. the north dakota caucus is too early to call where bernie sanders is currently up by 7 points. washington state, which has been rocked by the coronavirus is too close to call. sanders up by 0.2%. any talk of a 2016-like sanders comeback in michigan was blunted by biden's double-digit lead, 53-36.5%. biden has been awarded 65 of the state's 125 delegates so far. sanders 45. 15 delegates are still on the table. we're also watching mississippi, not because of biden's massive

81% of the vote but because of sanders, the board says he won 15% but it's actually 14.8. if sanders doesn't reach the 15-point threshold, he won't get a single statewide delegate from mississippi. the overall delegate total stand at biden 836, sanders 686. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is wednesday, march 11th. along with joe, willie and me we have mike barnicle and former political writer ron fornier. >> really incredible, mika, just incredible. new hampshire was a month ago, to put this in perspective. remember, we had the wake for joe biden's campaign a month ago when he came on set and nobody would say anything because we felt so bad for him and ten days ago the campaign was over it

seemed and now actually the democratic race is all but over. yesterday just one dominant win after another. >> it's really stunning when you think about it, a month ago, just a month ago he was all but gone in the race. we're going to get to steve kornacki at the big board in just a moment. first the latest on the growing coronavirus threat. the outbreak is having an impact on the presidential campaign. that speech joe biden gave last night was only in front of his campaign staff, not supporters. biden and sanders were supposed to hold rallies in cleveland yesterday but events were cancelled citing guidance from public health officials. and sunday's presidential debate won't have a live audience nor will will be a spin room afterwards. the number of known cases of the virus over the country has now topped 1,000. new states of emergency have been declared in colorado, massachusetts and michigan

because of the virus. according to the "new york times," after weeks of mounting frustrations, states with a growing number of cases are still struggling to test. they don't have the ability to test widely for coronavirus. the paper notes that continued delays have made it impossible for officials to get a true picture of the scale of the outbreak. in new york state officials have set up a one-mile containment area in new rochelle, new york. public schools in the area will be closed until march 25th and the national guard has been deployed to the area. as of yesterday westchester county has seen 108 confirmed cases of the virus. two music festivals have been postponed. and talk shows will start taping

without understood i don't audiena -- studio audiences. britain's heat minister has tested positive for the coronavirus. the news has prompted discusses about whether or not parliament should be suspended. we'll have much more in moments with two medical experts. >> it wasn't long ago that the president of the united states said we only had 15 cases, nobody died and this would all go away magically. it not happening. we still don't have the tests, even though the president said last week if you want a test, you'll get a test. so we don't even know the full scope of this. if you look at the curve in the other countries, mika, countries have been able to isolate communities after knowing who actually was infected. and you can actually see the lines go down once they have the information. this is not a president who is

fact based. he's never been fact based and his people have actually -- his supporters have always allowed him to get away with that. now his supporters and people who don't support him, lives are at risk. the health of their parent and grandparents are at risk. children with underlying factors are at risk. americans need the facts, mr. president. you got to deliver it to them. >> and other countries are able to do more because they actually have more information. they've been testing widely. >> i know. and we had -- its important to remember that the world health organization offered us a test that we could have used a month ago, and the trump administration refused it. so we're going to talk about all this later, but willie, first i wanted to get your thoughts on the scope and the sweep of joe biden's victory last night. >> well, we got steve kornacki to help us do that in just a second. you said it, michigan was the

state a couple weeks ago everyone was looking at because bernie sanders had won it in 2016. not by a big margin, but won it. could he hold on and do it again this time? the answer was a resounding no. lets look at some of the numbers here and just how joe biden put this together. if i'm not wrong, i don't see a purple county on that map. >> you see all biden blue on here. this is last night in michigan. this was michigan in 2016, totally different story. >> what happened? >> sanders ran up huge numbers in rural counties, small counties, the upper peninsula, lost one county by 35 votes in 2016. then you look at last night and you see blue of where. college counties all across the state where the university of michigan is, northern michigan, central michigan, western michigan all of those counties

were huge for bernie sanders in 2016. looks like he's going to lose all of them. the big story when you started looking at these exit polls, the african-american vote was close to 20% of this state. it looks about the same as it did four years ago. it was close to a 40-point victory for biden over sanders. four years ago bernie sanders won the white vote in michigan by 14 points. he has now lost according to the exit poll by 11. so a 25-point swing among white voters. you see that of non-college white, the college white, the two different types here and it accounts for what looks like a sweep of the state by joe biden. raises all sorts of questions about a state critical if joe biden might be more acceptable to the voters who swung michigan away from the democrats in '16. >> what changed? we saw that giant rally in ann arbor for bernie sanders a couple of days ago. is it just a case those young voters didn't go vote? >> i think he got some support there but not as much.

you take a look down here, this is a good california, western michigan university, joe biden, four years ago sanders got 60% of the vote here. another one right here, livingston county, a classic commuting suburb here, turnout was through the roof, joe biden won this thing by 17 points over bernie sanders. four years ago sanders won this by 21. it's a swing of nearly 40 points. you saw it in michigan, you saw it in missouri as well. every single county in missouri looks like it is going to go for joe biden. the swing here among white voters, 32 points this was the closest state of all of the democratic primaries in 2016, missouri was the closest, it was a 1,500 vote difference. look, again, college town -- this is where the university of missouri is. joe biden wins it. four years ago sanders was crushing hillary clinton here. we're seeing this everywhere.

every single county, in michigan, missouri and mississippi, every single county for joe biden. >> once again in the state of mississippi it was on the strength of black voters. he won by something like 70%, did joe biden, over bernie sanders in mississippi. >> i want to take a closer look, willie, at michigan. here's a state obviously that's going to be one of the three states that's going to determine whether donald trump serve as president for four more years or is sent home. that was a completely dominant -- it was such a dominant performance and suggests that joe biden just may be the guy who could win those states. and last night he won them so big. it was an extraordinary performance. >> remember the spread in 2016 in the state of michigan was about ten and a half thousand votes, that's it. if joe biden can make that up, make up the difference in

pennsylvania and wisconsin, that's your election right there. we should talk about the coalition more broadly now that joe biden has put together just in the last couple of weeks, black voters, older voters, moderate voters, young voters trending toward bernie sanders so it's not quite the obama coalition but he has put together his own biden coalition here. >> this is one component of the coalition. this is the blue wave of 2018. livingston county is one one of tho those congressional districts that went red to blue. biden winning not just by 17 points but turnout here is up like 50% from four years ago. so part of this for biden is can you convert those blue wave voters of 2018 into democratic voters in 2020? how about the other side of the story here. this is the classic reagan democrat county just north of

detroit, blue collar, white voters here. here's joe biden winning this thing by 17 points. compare that to four years ago, hillary clinton barely eked out the primary and boy did she run into trouble in the general election. this is a place where trump overachieved. and then wayne county, this is a place where biden didn't do quite as well as hillary clinton. this is detroit suburbs. we may have a little more to be tallied there. you had low turnout in detroit in 2016. democrats want to change that. they don't want to happen what happened in macomb county happen again. they want to convert the voters into 2020 voters. if the democrats can just make inroads in the category, it can make all the difference. >> and turnout a huge part of the story last night and michigan big turnout as well. >> that's exactly what i was going to ask steve kornacki.

hey, steve, how many political pros do you know that said at the beginning of this campaign joe biden, he's going to be the turnout candidate? i mean, come on, are you kidding me? but joe biden is turning into the turnout candidate. >> the number in 2016 was short of 1.2 million that turned out in michigan. you're well over 1.5 million. there's still some votes to come in. in missouri -- this won't be a blue state in the general election likely. the number here was about -- it was 626. it's now sitting at 660. they've gone through it in missouri, they're going through it everywhere. it was even up in mississippi. biden got fourth in iowa, fifth in new hampshire and he had them just where he wanted them. >> all right, steve kornacki, thank you very much. coming up, does last night say more about donald trump than it does about joe biden?

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hey, we've been talking about battleground michigan. obviously an extraordinarily important state in the fall. let's go to ron fornier. you're a michigan guy. give us your thoughts on joe biden dominating, winning in every state, winning in the college towns, winning in the suburbs, winning in black neighborhoods, winning all across your state. >> yeah, he's the presumptive nominee. but i think this is more about trump than it is about biden. four years ago in 2016 michigan democrats did not think donald trump was going to become president. they were not worried about donald trump. they thought he was a joke, there's no way he was going to win the nomination, we could certainly beat him in the fall,

even if he did. voting for sanders was a safe protest vote. they didn't think donald trump was going to win and they didn't like hillary clinton so they voted for bernie sanders. now four years later, democrats are terrified of donald trump. joe biden is now the guy that we as democrats have to get behind not necessarily just because we love joe biden and he's the turnout candidate, but because we hate donald trump. we being democrats. dra donald trump is the turnout candidate for democrats. that's what happened in 2018. it's why witmer is governor and why bernie sanders was swept off the field in michigan and why democrats should have hope for november because democrats this time know the kind of president donald trump is and they are going to be united to turn out

against donald trump. >> so let's great split screen right now, t.j. with ron fournier and myself. everybody is now looking at the two people that represent the forces that chased hillary clinton for 25 years, you in the media, me as a republican first and then in the media. and we were talking about that yesterday. you really -- if you haven't seen the hillary hulu documenta documentary, it is extraordinary. since you were there for a good chunk of the story, you'll love it. the argument was made last night and i believed it, i'm not so sure you do, but the argument was made last night that a lot of people that the results from last night showed just how much the vilification of hillary clinton by the press and republicans over 25 years worked in 2016. that bernie sanders ended up not being this revolutionary, not being this remarkable political

force. instead 2016 was all about 25 years of baggage hillary clinton was carrying. >> no doubt about it. now a lot of that is on the media, a lot of that is on republicans but, look, a candidate owns his or her own brand. we can't take it all off hillary clinton's shoulders. she should have been able to beat donald trump in 2016. >> yeah. mike barnicle, your thoughts on last night. you've known joe biden for a very long time and we were -- i keep talking about new hampshire because it was such a morose morning when joe came on, not because we're cheering for anybody, because we've known him and liked him for so long, just because i've bernie for 25 years and i'm

feeling bad for him and here we are a month later and this guy cannot lose. not only can he not lose states, this guy is not losing a county. >> looking at the tale of the tape and listening to steve explain it last night and here just a few moments ago, it's pretty clear that joe biden as the reach, the breadth in this campaign to mimic bill clinton in 1992. he's winning whites in the suburbs. the suburbs will turn out to be if not a wave election, a huge, huge bonus for joe biden. i think when you listen to joe and see joe now in the past ten days, two weeks out on the campaign trail, you see something that resonates with voters and it's pretty simple. it's humanity, it's empathy, it's stability and experience. >> let's talk about humanity, mike, and talk about that moment where somebody made the mistake

of saying he was going to take all their guns away. republicans jumped on it. can you believe a political figure using crass language? seriously? look in the mirror, folks. but biden yesterday to show the other side of his humanity and that is he's a fighter. >> he's a fighter, he has the experience, people know he has the experience. but there's one twist in this that i think lasts through the rest of this year and it is the existing president of the united states' behavior in handling this national health crisis. in other words, he hasn't handled it. i've encountered several people over the weekend, i'm sure you and mika who have as well, people you know voted for donald trump in 2016 have now said no, the leadership isn't there, the

ability to inspire or calm the nation down, that's not there. he's got a dream world that he's president of. he has no honesty in him and that is all going to -- he's going to pay the price for it. >> coming up, "morning joe"'s chief medical correspondent tackles the leadest on the spread of the coronavirus. what you need to know straight ahead. need to know straight ahead.

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being slammed. do you share those concerns and should people go to the hospital? >> mika, that depends on what we all do in the next week starting today. so former director bossert said that the united states will be slammed in ten days, implying that we need to act immediately and aggressively implementing those policies to mitigate this disease as it progresses. i will say what he said, it's now or never for the united states if it hopes to keep the coronavirus from burning out of control. so it is a big concern and today is the day. everyone can start. they can go to coronavirus.gov. it's thick, it's full of information, it comes from dr. fauch dr. dr. fauci and many others but it lays out the plan for the public so we can keep ourselves and

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it started a week ago with one positive test and in one week there are 108 positive tests as of yesterday and no reason to think there won't be more today. >> so obviously physicians and nurses across the board, some of them having to make their own decisions, but you guys are the back bone of the health care system. how is this affecting you and your patients and the way you do your job? >> i'm taking my lead from the surgeon general. we heard yesterday for surge capacity in hospitals and health care in general, we need people, we need equipment and we need space. so what i started two days ago is supposed p is postponing elective final surgery. we're going to check people's temperatures before they become patients. if they are showing any signs we should be concerned about, we will help there get somewhere else, rather than sit in a busy

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in the total delegate count. back now to the coronavirus. officials in illinois yesterday announced eight new cases bringing that state's total reported number to 19. two of the new cases are the first to be reported outside of cook county and involve individuals who are not linked to any other known case, a sign officials say may point to community spread. so far some patients in illinois have already recovered from the virus, but the "chicago tribune" reports that a 60-year-old chicago man remains hospitalized in serious condition. and the governor of illinois, j.b. pritzker, joins us now. governor, thanks very much for being on. there are some states, new york for example, which they're starting up a containment zone in one city. what do you project might be needed to address the virus outbreak in your jurisdiction? >> well, so far we've been able

to stay ahead of this. we've been preparing for this for some time. we did tabletop exercises, frankly, middle of last year where we anticipated some kind of virus, perhaps from asia, and we made sure that our agencies were prepared. but i must say that, you know, here we are in march and we're two months from the beginning of this crisis and, you know, we've had to make some adjustments and preparations, some of which we didn't expect but most of which we did. so right now with 19 cases that have been detected and, as you said, we have one that's in serious condition, a few that have recovered but we expect a big wave coming forward, we've made preparations by advising our most vulnerable populations, our elderly and those immuno suppressed to stay away from

large crowds, make sure to protect themselves and make sure people are checking on them to make sure that they're okay. >> how many tests do you have now for your entire state? >> not enough. and this is something that is extraordinarily frustrating for me. we received a couple of thousand tests very early on because we were insistent that we needed that testing capability. the cdc provided that. we've gotten a few more after that. but the truth is that this has been slow in coming, too slow. i've been on the phone with the federal government officials for days, for weeks now making sure that they know we need more testing capability. i'm very frustrated. we have some of the best hospitals and research institutions in the country here in illinois. we could have had this testing on the ground as other states could have if the cdc hadn't put a halt to it all. and you've seen in other areas of the world they're testing thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands.

we're limited in our testing. we're doing surveillance of all of our population across the state as best we can, but with only a few thousand tests available to us, it's limited. >> governor, it's willie geist, good to see you this morning. we appreciate your time on this important topic. i want to ask you about large gatherings. we're hearing more and more it's dangerous to get a large up in of people in one place. biden and sanders campaigns cancelled their events last night. you had a huge event in chicago, the st. patrick day parade still scheduled to go forward. do you think they should hold the st. patrick's day parade in chicago this weekend? >> well, i've been in close touch with the mayor of the city of chicago as well as the mayors and county board chairmen all over the state of illinois and we are, in fact, advising people who are most vulnerable to stay away from large gatherings. we're talking about what to do about st. patrick's day and the

mayor and i are going to hold a press conference a little later this morning to consult or to show people, tell people about how we've consulted on this and what decisions have been made. >> what about schools? what's your view on whether or not schools should remain open? >> we've had a couple of school closings. in one particular case we had a teacher's assistant to has contracted coronavirus. we closed the school. she is now being treated but we have a lot of, you know, kids at that school that we wanted to protect. so school districts are going to make decisions on their own at this point, although we're advising them about what to look for and how to protect those students, as well as the teach eme teachers themselves. the most vulnerable populations are not our youngest but our oldest and the immuno

suppressed. >> governor pritzker, we had governor cuomo of new york state on earlier in the program and he was asked in the federal response in terms of partnership, in terms of help to states. while he didn't want to risk getting a volley of tweets aimed at him by the president, he was fairly forth coming in his d disappoi disappointment. i'm wondering, your state, was it made easier or harder? >> i am not afraid to say i am extremely disappointed. my job is protecting the health and safety of the people of our state and i need help from the federal government where they can offer it and they have the ability to do that. not only providing more tests and opening up the testing capability for our research institutions but also, you know, we have a lot of people who have now been asked to stay home for 14 days, people living paycheck to paycheck, we would like to

provide them with unemployment benefits. there is a rule called the able and available rule that says if you're able and available to work, can you not receive those benefits. and what i would like to say is that you can -- that you can receive those benefits. what i would like to say is because you've been ordered to stay home for 14 days should not keep you from being eligible for those unemployment benefits. in fact, as far as i'm concerned, you're available to do telecommuting work, when you're home. they look like they might be willing to offer waivers but i haven't seen that across any states yet. i need a waiver so we can take care of middle class families that are now being suppressed, are being asked to stay home and may have serious difficulties going forward. >> governor, it's claire mccaskill. i'm curious, what we see in italy is that their health

systems are overwhelmed, their hospitals are overwhelmed. people are not getting medical treatment for other problems because they're overwhelmed. do you feel our medical systems are ready to handle this? >> thank you for that question. we have some of the greatest hospitals in the world here in illinois and we have worked with our hospitals to make sure that they're prepared, but the most important thing that we can do at this point is to keep people that don't need to be at the hospital away from those beds, from filling those beds to make sure we have as many available as possible, and that as state government we're providing the right number of self-isolation beds for people that may not be able to go home to self-isolate. there are people who need to be split up from their homes. so as a state we want to make

sure we're providing the housing needs that people will have. so we've worked hard on that. we've been working on that for a couple of months now with the city of chicago and with 102 counties across our state. so are we fully prepared? well, we don't know because we don't know exactly where this will crest. at the moment we're doing just fine and we're making sure we're doing everything we can so that our hospitals have the available ppe, the personal protective equipment as well as the personnel and the beds that they need. >> governor, gene robinson. you've got a primary election coming up soon. how is the virus going to impact that? >> well, gene, we have of course our election next tuesday, and it's a big one. we think there's going to be big turnout for that election. we've been concerned about the polling sites that are in nursing homes and in our veterans' homes across the

state. so we've tried to move those away from the nursing homes and veterans homes so people from outside who normally vote in those locations have somewhere to go but won't be tracking in the potential for coronavirus spread. then we have nursery home votings across the state that occurs the day before election day. we think we're doing what's required here to have a successful democratic election. when i say democratic, i mean little "d" democratic. i want to encourage everybody to vote by mail. lots of people have the ability to do that and they are doing it. we've asked our board of elections to extend the ability to turn in your vote by mail ballot until the monday before the tuesday election. >> illinois governor j.b. pritzker, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> thank you. >> up next, we're going to turn

back to 2020 politics. as we go to break, president trump logged in to twitter to endorse alabama's tommy tubberville for senate against his former attorney general jeff sessions. did sessions see that coming? he wrote in part, "tommy tuberville is running for the u.s. senate from the great state of alabama. tommy was a terrific head football coach at auburn university. he's a real leader. sessions was the first member of congress to support the trump candidacy and among the first supporters named to the administration. after recusing himself from the investigation of russian interference in the 2016 election, he fell out of favor with the president and was ousted one day after the midterm elections in 2018. we'll be right back. y mutual. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need.

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as we've been telling you this morning, the trump campaign is highlighting joe biden's gaffs and slip-ups in an attempt to paint him as, quote, confused and out of it, which brings us to another trump rule from conservative writer windsor mann. >> you know, we just said another stock market. >> technology companies are really big beneficiaries. >> the wall is under construction. a lot of work has done. made a pivotal, really this was pivotal. obama amnesty. >> i.c.e. officers removed 10,000 known or suspected gang members, police officers. you saw that. >> i am today starting the process of terminating the

diversary lottery program. >> if we are going to succeed in stopping this scourge. decided to shield and shelter criminal -- look, look, wait. their whole state to be a staint-uary. i want, you know, this rusher thing with trump and russia. >> kenya and tanzania. we must speak real -- our arm ran the -- it ran the ramp arts, it took over the airports, and the combat infantrymen. they sacrifice every day for the furniture and future of their children. ♪ god bless america ♪ land that i love ♪ stand beside her

♪ and guide her ♪ through the night with the light from above ♪ ♪ from the mountains to the prairies ♪ ♪ to the oceans white with foam ♪ ♪ got bless america ♪ my home sweet home ♪ god bless america ♪ my home sweet home you know, it's very interesting, willie, i've never seen anybody actually mouth the words to "free bird" for "god bless america." >> it was "stairway to heaven." >> bye-bye, babe, it's been a sweet one. willie, anytime we get in the middle of the sentence and can't complete it, we just say karen,

like the president did. bloo, blah, blah, karen. >> weird. >> everything he does is projection. >> a lot of that is on prompter, too. i think a lot of times he's surprised by a word, and he doesn't do so well getting through it. we hadn't heard the classic that the continental army took over the airports in a long time. >> they did. they did. we talk a lot about george washington and what he did, but i'm telling you, the air force and the space force of the continental army, really -- >> really tells the story of the revolution. >> the untold story. did you know that thomas jefferson flew an f-15? we're always talking about the declaration of independence. that guy, if you think tom cruise in "top gun" was impressive, you should have seen thomas jefferson to spin that

jet around. >> permission to buzz the tower. this time in one of michigan's strongholds, the mayor of sterling heights, michael taylor announced he voted for joe biden in yesterday's primary. taylor, a lifelong rep, who voted for trump in 2016, said the president lacks moral character and is incompetent. sterling heights, the fourth largest city in the state straddles mccomb county which trump overwhelmingly won by 12 points. joe biden got 51% of the vote last night in that same county. mayor taylor, thanks very much for being on the show. was this decision a difficult? and when did things turn for w new. >> well, it wasn't that difficult. thank you for having me, by the way. i did what i thought was right in 2016. i was a republican and thought

about the supreme court justices, judges, taxes and regulation, but then i think the first thing that i saw was when he came out and was braggic about his crowd size. i guess i thought maybe it was a bit of a show for the campaign and once we got elected and into office, would start acting reasonably. it never materialized. i had instant remorse and buyer's regret, so it's been an easy decision for me to endorsing joe biden in this election. >> you're still a conservative obviously. you wanted the conservative supreme court justices, like me. i'm sure you wanted a balanced budget or something close to it. you wanted free trade. obviously the president has done many things that have really been the antithesis of what republicans and small government conservatives have wanted in the past. do you have any hopes in the

future that the republican party might come back to a small government party? >> you know, i don't know, joe. i really don't feel optimistic about that. you know, the deficit spending, running trillion dollar deficits, i know not city of sterling heights, they would cream me if we did something like that, but they love the president for it. so i really don't get it. to me it's about getting back to sanity in the white house and having somebody we can trust, somebody with high moral character, some been who we can trust to lead this country going forward through some difficult challenges. a public health crisis is going on right now. getting adult leadership back in the white house. that's my number one priority. >> mayor, thanks for coming on this morning. i'm curies. you are certainly not alone and people who may have taken a

flyer, may they thought donald trump could change washington, or maybe they didn't like his opponent. are you reflective of somebody who thought, let's give donald trump a shot, i don't like what i've seen, so i'm going to switch back. >> i think so. i've heard from a lot of people not just in macomb county, saying thank you for standing up, because i feel the same way and kind of feel isolated out there. i think there's a lot of people like me, married, have kids, we work hard, middle class, and maybe we didn't show up at the polls in 2016. some of the people like me that i think joe biden will have a strong chance to bring out that stayed home last time. there's crossover appeal for joe biden. the new voters who didn't like the options, i think joe biden represents a return back to

normalcy. the mayor of sterling heights, michigan, michael taylor, thank you very much. we appreciate your point of view. >> thank you. >> thanks so much, mr. mayor. times now for final thoughts. claire mccaskill take it away. >> ron johnson is an embarrassing tool. >> and scene. gene? final thoughts? >> incredible night for joe biden? >> this is going to be even more interesting from now on, not just because of the question of what does bernie sanders do, but what kind of campaign will this be against the backdrop of a coronavirus, a campaign without rallies, a campaign without crowds snow it's going to be different and, you know, inherently unpredictable, humility, empathy as the mayor

just said. i think the sweep will continue for the rest of the year. angela merkel just said in a press conference 70% of her country could contract coronavirus. this is as serious as it gets. we need to listen to the right people. >> you know, that's exactly what i was going to conclude with. i'm so worried about senior citizens in florida. i'm worried about senior citizens across the country. we're talking about michigan in michigan where it's colder, where people are trapped inside. wisconsin, a lot of the northern states, pennsylvania, new york, i mean it's a real health hazard. we need to look at people across the globe and what people are doing. when donald trump and talk radio hosts say this is somehow a conspiracy to take down donald trump, it puts senior citizens' lives in danger. let's hope this is not the katrina moment of public health. by the way, mika,