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you've been watching "the beat" for msnbc. stay safe, stay informed. i'll see you at 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. keep it right here on msnbc. good evening. i'm steve kornacki in new york. there are spines the global outbreak is having a pro found, economic and cultural will impact on this country and on the entire world. the virus has already brought population centers across the world to a standstill. it has slowed comers and prompted upheaval in financial markets. in this country, president trump announced that he is taking measures to restrict travel from
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continental europe to the united states for the next 30 days. that angered america's european allies who said they received no advance warning. the u.s. stock market suffered another devastating blow today with the dow closing down 2,300 points. that's a whopping 10% loss. the single worst day of trading since the crash of 1987. as of tonight, 23 states have issued some form of emergency declaration with several relarge events -- restricting large events. new york has banned events over 500 people. that shut down all broadway performances through next month. the governors of iowa and maryland announced they are closing all public schools in their states. lyingwise, professional sports leagues like the nba, the nhl and major league baseball have now all suspended their seasons indefinitely. the ncaa today called off the march madness college basketball tournament. a major annual event.
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meanwhile, the canadian prime minister justin trudeau is isolating himself after his wife showed symptoms of the virus. tom hanks and his wife are under quarantine in australia where he was to shoot a film. when it comes to the number of confirmed cases, data from john hopkins shows that the u.s. ranks eighth among 100 plus countries that now have cases of the virus. those are just the confirmed cases diagnose in the 45 states. the u.s. continues to struggle with limited test calgary pass at this. politico reports that congress is now, quote, livid over the delays. and he said he was told it would be two weeks before we can get widespread testing. in a blunt assess omt capitol hill today, dr. anthony fauci said the inadequacy of u.s. testing is a failing that has put this country behind others in fighting the virus. >> the system is not really
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geared to what we need right now. what you are asking for. that is a failing. >> a failing. >> yes. a failing. the idea of anybody getting it easily the way people in other countries are doing it, we're not set up for that. do i think we should be? yes. but we're not. >> and i'm joined now by dr. joseph fair, a virologist. and a health care reporter with the "washington post." thank you both for being with us. i think i want to start with, we've heard about this virus coming to the country. entering the country. we've heard it could be this, it could be that. in the last 24 hours, it now does mean some major things. it feels like we are watching american life, the world around us just shut down one major piece at a time. a week from now, what is the country going to be like?
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>> it's impossible to say without those diagnostics. what we can project, the cases that we know about. you mentioned confirmed cases. that's an important term. we'll see triple to quadruple that at a minimum. the states that haven't reported it yet, they just haven't seen it yet because they don't have the test go up and running yet. so i think we can safely presume with all 50 states and most of our territories have the virus at this point. >> when we see these things, the college basketball tournament. arenas full of 15,000, 20,000 people, that won't happen. broadway performances in new york. a crowd of a couple hundred people of schools in two major states, ohio, maryland, closing. realistically. if you stay scope will be growing in terms of our awareness, can any public gathering be taking place within the next couple days? the next couple weeks? >> i've lived through a couple of epidemics that have grown to mass scale, ebola being one in
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west africa. where society completely shut down. frankly, we'll see a bigger shut down than we saw post 9/11. that was just air travel and a few other businesses affected. we're looking at shutting down everything for a couple weeks just to mid gait the spread of the virus at this point. >> on that front, what is your sense of where the next shoes are to drop? a couple major states saying schools, public schools will be closed. folks being told to stay home from work. i'm hearing that all over the place. what does the next few days, the next week look like in terms of shutdown of american life? >> i think we have to wait and see. these are ultimately state and local decisions. how they decide to mitigate the spread of the virus. i think based on the advice that state and local health departments are getting from people doing modelling on how the virus could progress, depending on if you take certain
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measures or not, a lot of them are advising, you shut down schools, you shut down the large social gatherings. i think we'll see more of them in the next few days. you might see they will extend spring greek get a handle on it. the experts modeling it say could you greatly slow its spread if you take drastic action to limit those types of gatherings. i'm a layman on this. you shut down the mass public gatherings, you shut down schools. you tell people, limit your contact with others until the medical world gets a. better grasp of the scope of this. i understand that. i've also heard no, vaccine for a year. maybe a year and a half. at some point between now and a year and a half from now,
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presumably, folks will be told go back to normal life. if there's to vaccine, won't it just start spreading like wildfire again to lessen the shut down? >> there are reasons for hope. we see a typical drop in the summer seasons of both common coronavirus colds as well as flu no. people are outdoors a lot more. the u vmpbl light inactivates the virus. that doesn't mean we won't see any cases in the summer but we will see a dip. hopefully will let us catch up at least on the diagnostic end to where anyone and everyone can get tested. i don't see that happening in the next few weeks despite what we've been told repeatedly about the diagnostics. we're not taking advantage of the commercial sector that we have that produced mass diagnostics.
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unless we engage commercial diagnostic capability in the country in addition to our own government's manufacturing capability for diagnostics, i think we'll see the big lag. until we have the diagnostics, we're going blind. >> only piece of it, too, hearing it from the doctor, from a lot of folks, testing, getting testing as wide 50 available as possible, to get a seblgs of how many cases are there. get statistic that's could be derive from it. if you know how many cases, you get a better handle on the fatality rate. what is happening to change the picture on testing? how quickly could it change in a meaningful way? >> so you sbau two weeks ago, that the food and drug administration released this emergency use authorization that allows public health labs and academic labs who do this sort of thing all the time and are
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well set to do to it get their own tests up and running. the first several weeks the u.s. was trying to get a handle on it. now you have the academic labs, the public health labs to get their own tests up and running. so we expect the testing to go up in the next few days. because of that, officials are saying we'll start to get a real handle on how widespread it is. not every person who has symptoms needs to get a test if they're young and healthy. a lot of people are saying we'll get a spike in the next few days as more people get tested and we'll find there's a lot more community spread handle the we know of right now. >> all right. thank you both for being with us. i'm joined now by the governor
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of couldn't could not. ned lament. he today announced banning mass gatherings of more than 250 people. this comes as connecticut's chief epidemiologist said between 10ers and 20% of the state's population is expected to contract the coronavirus over the next month. that 10 to 20%, i've been hearing big numbers like that nationally. >> i'm curious. you don't have a huge number right now of confirmed cases. do you get a sense from talking to those folks there are a lot more undiagnosed cases in connecticut, what the scope of that might be? >> good evening. we've done very little testing. we need more support from the federal government to get a real scope of what is going on. we have one of the most sophisticated health care
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systems in the country right here in connecticut. they're ready to do testing if they just get green sxlit the permissions from the federal government. we're just doing our best to tell folks the truth. to get a consistent message of what is going on in the country and the state. there's a lot of treatment dags. if we can have a consistent message from the government, we'll get through it. >> what about your public school system many the governors in ohio and maryland said they are suspending public schools in their states for a period here. i know you said they don't have to do 180 days of school. you're giving some ought only me here. do you have any thought to shutting down public schools in your state? is that something you might do? >> what we have done, we're close to one of the epicenters,
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i'll right next door. most of the schools in fairfield quoinlt a lot of encouragement from us that they would close down for the foreseeable future. we have the rest of the state where the schools are going. you have to remember as governor, schools are so key to a community. mom and dad have a hard time getting to work. so we're trying to put in the infrastructure for the schools to close down. if needed, we'll extend it to the rest of the state. >> what will life look like around the rest of the state? you're saying orders of 250 people or more. sporting events, concerts, major public gatherings. what is life going to look line in connecticut? what will be open a week from now? >> that's a very good question. a week ago we had our first diagnosis in the state.
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what we're trying our best to do, keep our companies going. this used to be a full room. here i will at nbc sports. a lot of people are telecommuting. we're having people prepare for telecommuting. at leaf the older folks. those other are over 60. those with a pre-existing condition. they should be stepping back. for lack of having an adequate testing, we're telling everybody, if you have flu-like symptoms, you're feeling sick. just stay home. i think those are some of the ways you'll find people beginning to self-monday or the going forward. coming up, american hospitals on the forefront of this pandemicful are they ready for the potentially increase in cases? what other steps need to be taken to keep americans safe? plus, joe biden gives voters a look on how he might handle the
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when you lose track of the outbreak, you have to create social distance between everybody. you don't who know is infected. it is a poor substitute for poor action at the beginning but it may be the only option when you've effectively lost sight of the virus. >> that was dr. michael ryan, the world health organization. just hours before sweeping travel bans, school closures put in place around the world. his warning is a stark remind per many countries are struggling to mitigate the spread of the virus. according to aaron mill here
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writes for the "new york times," quote, many health experts expect that a majority of people will eventually be exposed to if not infected with this virus. the total number of ineffected swhanlt scares epidemiologists. it is how many title. 80% of those diagnosed have mild cases. of the nearly 130,000 people diagnosed so far about, 70,000 have fully recovered. what can we expect here in the united states? what steps need to be taken? for more, i'm joined by the chief medical adviser at the bipartisan central at hhs assistant secretary for health. and the author of tight ropes. americans reaching for hope. let me start with you. building on what we talked
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about. the importance of testing the get the overall picture of what we're dealing with. right now, how firm of a grasp do you and medical professionals have on what the death rate for this is, and how easily communicable this is? >> well, those are excellent questions. we don't have all the answers. we think the trans missability rate. how many you can inexpect the around two to three. the mortality rate is around 3%. many people think that is significantly higher handle the it actually is because we just haven't identified cases. that goes to the point that we have to dramatically increase testing. we're in the thousands. we need to get to the millions. that will be critical to better understanding where we are as a nation. and to let individuals know, if they're ineffected, to seek care as well as to reduce exposure. >> we appear to be very far from
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it. where there is mass scaling testimony uflt folks who aren't symptomatic but maybe they're carrying it. is there a point where we find out the death rate isn't as alarming as it sounds? >> even if it's found the mortality 58rate is around 3%. that's still .3%. seasonal influenza which kills tens of thousands every year. the mortality 58th .1%. so this would significantly be several times higher. so i think the numbers are important. we're still talking about a pathogen that has a higher mortality rate than we see every year from the flu. richard engel put this up. he put this up. has the cirrus virus. the consequences of ignoring it are grave.
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the u.s. already lost time doing that. tlls a big price for overreacting. virologists i spoke to say we need on learn to when i have the virus. guard against and it keep moving ahead. i'm curious. striking that balance between appropriate caution, pausing to understand what we're dealing with here, and the idea of going on with life. going forward with life. how do you strike that balance? >> this is an enormous problem for journalism and one we've often gotten wrong. how do you call attention to risks without sensationalizing. they i have an enormous almost for richard but i disagree with him on this. the people i've spent on to tend to be rather more concerned than many americans. and we certainly shouldn't panic. but there seems to be a significant, well, we, a, seem to have down played it.
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we haven't responded sufficiently. and there was pretty good research, for example, from the 1918 spanish flu, those cities that challenged it early and aggressively, like st. louis, for example, had far lower death rates and saved a lot of lives compared to those who decided toley with it like philadelphia, classically. >> i guess the question becomes, we're in this period of slowing it down and hopefully getting a better sense of it. suppose weg get testing. we find out this is more deadly than the seasonal flu. maybe not as bad as it looks now but more deadly handle the at a seasonal flu. a vaccine is at least a year away. how do we go forward? >> the conservative estimate for a number of americans who may be infected maybe attack third of
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the country. 100 million fix end up with a fatality rate of 1%, that's a million people dying. these numbers, the r, replication rate, is not just about the virus. it is very much our response to it. we may get a respite. it is possible in the summer, warmer weather, maybe it will be subdued. that's what happened in 1918. it came back then in the fall. i think it is prudent to change the way we behave. i'm glad disneyland closed. i'm glad sports organizations have shut down. maybe they're overreact but the cost of underresponding are too great to sit back. >> i'm curious, hopefully again, the summer does provide some
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relief. if there is no vaccine in sight and we get to older weather november, october, december, these same questions will be there. there's to vaccine. i will say, there is a possibility that we won't have a vaccine but there are anti-virals and therapeutic that's could treat the coronavirus. there is hope on that front. a lot of under certainty here. it may go away only to come back in the fall and winter in a second wave. we absolutely have to be dedicated to social distancing for the long haul. that's individuals. we talk about hand hygiene, isolating when you're ill. it is also community mitigation.
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work places and paid sick leave, schools, canceling mass gatherings. the question is, do we have the stamina and how long do we have the stamina? this is something we have to act now. i think the p word is not to panic but it is absolutely preparedness in all sectors of society. >> all right. thank you both for being with us. up next, president trump facing are -- g are --
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this is the most aggressive had confrontation. the u.s. took steps. a large number of new clusters in the united states were seeded by travelers from europe. we must put politics aside. stop the partisanship and unify together as one nation. >> welcome back. that was president trump last night delivering an 11-minute address to the nation on the coronavirus pandemic. as the "washington post" notes, although he read from a prepared script as he delivered a rare televised address, he incorrectly described his own policy in three different areas.
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let's watch. >> to keep new cases from entering our shores, we will know suspending all travel from europe to the united states for the next 30 days. these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo but various other things as we get approval. anything coming from europe to the united states is what we are discussing. i met with the leaders of health insurance industry who have agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments. >> almost immediately acting deputy homeland security secretary ken cuccinelli tweeted, the travel restrictions do not apply to merge citizens. the president himself clarified that they also do not apply to trade. meanwhile, politico reports a spokesperson for a major health insurance lobbying group said insurers only agreed to cover costs for testing and not for treatment.
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today, vice president pence defended trump and criticized people who down play the seriousness of coronavirus. >> obviously, there is been some irresponsible rhetoric. the american people should know that president trump has no higher priority than the health and safety and well being of the people of this country. >> for more, i'm joined by rich lowry. thank you for being here. the president's response overall and that speech last night. what do you make of the tone he struck? did you see any kind of a change there? where do you think it goes? >> the problem is the president is used to talking his way out of and through any problem. the last 30 or 40 years that he's dealt with in his career and his life and this is different. this is a much more serious situation. there are facts can't be denied. nothing wrong being optimistic but he has to be sober and
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serious minded at the same time. finally last night we heard that. unfortunately the speech was marred by these factual mistakes of his own policy, which is hard to imagine how those got into the text. and then he didn't deal with the most important parts. how do we get testing up to snuff and how do we keep the hospital sfrem being overwhelmed? i think the european travel ban makes essential ufl top health officials like anthony fauci saying it will help but now how do we deal with the growth of this in our own communities? >> i'm curious, before last night, the public comments that seemed to downplay it. this is somebody who has shown an instinct for the dramatic move. you saw it calling for a ban on countries. when faced with something in the past, to go for something that sounds dramatic. yet on coronavirus, there was
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that initial part. >> you would think on his part and many of the supporters, the populist nationalist instincts. this is a threat that emerged in china. it is coming from abroad and travel restrictions and borders matter very much. global supply chains relationship reply indicated. the administrative state messed it up. instead there's been this extreme defensiveness wanting to down play it. what w the president overwhelmingly, that has 22nd the fear this has had on the markets. and we know he cares very much about numbers. and a hugely important number for him is that stock market. so there is been an emphasis trying to talk tim stock market. ultimately the only way to get to it recover is by dealing with the crisis on the ground. we see another giant drop today. thank you for joining us. during a house oversight committee on the coronavirus today, california congresswoman katie porter grilled dr. robert
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redfield on individual costs for coronavirus testing before extracting a commitment to cover the costs. >> when asked for a response yesterday, the deadline and the time has passed. will you commit to invoking your existing authority under 42 c to provide for coronavirus testing for every american regardless of insurance coverage? >> what i was trying to say is that cdc is working hhs now to see how we operationalize that. >> you don't need to do any work the operationalize. you need to make a commitment to the american people so they come in to get tested. you can operationalize the payment structure tomorrow. >> i think you're an excellent questioner. my answer is yes. >> everybody in america, hear that. you are eligible to go get tested for coronavirus and have that covered regardless of insurance.
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>> and joining me now, congresswoman katie porter of california who we just showed you. thank you for joining us. practically speaking, because of this commitment, if they go to get testing, they're eligible to get tested. if you go in tomorrow, will it be covered? is there another step that needs to be taken? >> that's the commitment that director redfield made. they would use the existing law, the existing authority that has been on the books for a few years now, and is part of our larger structure of dealing with public health. i didn't create any law today. i simply asked him to use a tool in his tool box. to make sure anyone who goes to be tested and appropriately seeks testing does not have to pay out of pocket costs or is denlds that testing or able to pay for that testing. that doesn't mean everybody in america can get a test or will be able to right now. our goal is to make sure every
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person who is showing symptoms, whose physician believes the test is warranted, isn't deterred from calling their physician and seeking treatment in terms of cost. >> i'm assuming you need some sort of formal order? is there an implementation here for this commitment? something that has to happen? >> the cdc director made that commitment under oath. he was sworn in temperature hearing. my job as a congress member is to ask those tough questions and extract those promises. that was a promise he made to the merge people and i intend to hold him to it. nobody should be deterred from sikh testing or calling their physician for coronavirus testing because of a fear of having to pay the cost of the treatment. this is not just under insured people we're talking about. people who may have high deductible plans. people may have very high out of pocket costs.
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the government has the authority to cover it at no cost. >> you were showing an easel there. when the government assumes responsibility for these additional costs, collectively, from the government's standpoint, how much would it cost? what you got the commitment for? >> being able to test those who are symptomatic or exposed to the virus, and we believe need a test is a savings ultimately to our government. it is so much better than the alternative of allowing a pandemic to spread and to continue to destabilize our economy. i walked through the tests. the insurers should pay their portion for those who have insurance. the government should pick up the rest of tab. for those who do not have insurance, they should be able to get free testing. this law exists explicitly to
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provide for this kind of examination in the case of a public health emergency. that's where we find ourselves today. >> all right. democrat from california. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. up next, joe biden and bernie sanders attempt to draw a sharp contrast with the president over how this crisis should be handled. stay with us. s crisis should be handled. stay with us helping many people with type 2 diabetes like james lower their blood sugar. a majority of adults who took ozempic® reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. here's your a1c. oh! my a1c is under 7! (announcer) and you may lose weight. adults who took ozempic® lost on average up to 12 pounds. i lost almost 12 pounds! oh! (announcer) for those also with known heart disease, ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as heart attack, stroke, or death. it lowers the risk. oh! and i only have to take it once a week. oh! ♪ oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! ♪
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welcome back. joe biden and senator bernie sanders both delivered major speeches today on the pandemic and how they would lead the country in a time of crisis. >> protecting the health and safety of the american people is the most important job of any president. under fortunately, this virus laid bare the severe short comings of the current administration. >> if there ever was a time in the modern history of our country when we are all in this
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together. this is that moment. now is the time for solidarity. now is the time to come together with love and compassion for all. >> we will build american leadership and rebuild it to rally the world to meet the global threats that we're likely to face again. this is responsibility of a president. that is what is owed the american people. >> we need the information coming from credible, respected scientific voices of which we have many in our own country and all over this world. not from politicians. >> even before president trump announced his oval address last night, biden was already planning to give his speech today. the "new york times" reports that some of his allies believe, quote, this motel of national anxiety throws into sharp relief
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>> this is the most aggressive and comprehensive effort to confront a foreign virus in modern history. >> labeling covid-19 a foreign virus does not displace accountability for the misjudgment that's have been taken thus far. >> i am calling on congress to provide americans with med-pay roll tax relief. >> instead of providing more tax breaks to the top 1% in large corporations, we need to provide economic assistance to the elderly. >> we will be suspending all travel from europe to the united states for the next 30 days. >> travel restrictions based on favoritism in politics rather handle the risk will be counter productive. >> for more, i'm joined by joe donally of independent, and michael steele, former chairman of the rnc. thank you both for being with us. michael, we'll start with you. the shot we just showed of
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biden. it looks like one of the things he was trying to achieve there was create a contrast. not just for democratic voters but all americans. looking for that presidential speech look. the american flags in the background. trying on give that it look and that feel. what is the broad contrast the biden campaign thinks it can create with trump in a speech like that? >> well, i think you've nailed it right off the top. they that i have had off last night. the president at the resolute desk in the oval office giving a speech. now typically, as you know, steve, that's a big deal. that's brownie points for the president. that speech fell flat for a lot of reasons in a lot of ways for a lot of americans. talking about tax cuts and banning trips to europe. when people are concerned about, can i take my kid to school tomorrow, what will happen at the grocery store.
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biden came out setting a different tone. and counter pointing the messaging of the president last night. referring to, well, making, talking about folks coming to europe, or banning stuff coming out of europe. that's favoritism. and i think it set up a proper contrast to see him in a counter situation. even though he doesn't have to deal with it directly. >> so you had joe biden give that speech. then bernie sanders his opponent for the nomination. i think it did raise the questions. sanders, the third one up in the line-up. biden giving that response to trump. how much room is there right now for sanders? he's fallen behind in this race. he lost almost everything last tuesday. there's this incredible public health crisis. really under precedented public health crisis playing out. how much room is there for bernie sanders in a moment like the? >> i think for democrats, vice president biden hit the nail on
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the head talking about the need for the tests to be available. the need for professionals to take charge. the need to make sure it is focused on our families. that we can help lead the world and senator sanders talked about that, as well. he's not out of the race yet. so i think it was good he also gave his vision. it was a stark a contrast as you could have. president trump was evasive, talked about basically grudges and what vice president biden on is helping lead the world to solve this problem, which is what we have to do. >> do you think that was -- if you look at the speech biden gave and sanders gave, both were aimed at strutrump. they have a debate sunday night and primaries next tuesday. is that a preview of the debate in terms of is it going to be aimed -- their fire aimed more at trump or do you expect to see sanders use that debate as one final chance to make something
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happen? >> well, my expectation with senator sanders is he'll make that his chance to make something happen. today was about a clear message regarding the message from donald trump last night, which the markets clearly said was wh misdirected. getting testing in place and making sure the professionals like dr. fauchi were helping to call shots. i think it was a real contrast of leadership versus excuses. >> michael, what do you expect from this debate on sunday. it will be a little different, obviously the backdrop is coronavirus. there's not going to be -- we certainly had debates in history without live audiences before but they have become a modern staple of these things. in the last one in south carolina there, became part of the story. what do you expect? two of them one on one, don't have other candidates on stage
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direct interaction, in a studio. how will it go? >> i'm excited for it. get rid of the audience. you know why? because i don't want to hear or see the candidates react to the boo and cat calls and screaming from the folks in the audience. i want to see them react to one another because that's man to man, that's you and biden if your bernie and bernie if you're biden that reaction that you give is going to matter so much more in the eyes of the american people. how do you stand up to an adversary on that one on one face-to-face confrontation? it gets us a chance to see them a little more vulnerable, a little more exposed, how sharp they can be and will be an interesting dynamic, steve, when you have bernie going after biden for the most part because he needs to claw into his moe m -- momentum, his big mo. biden will be what you saw today. i'm the guy that will be the
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next president of the united states and let me show you why. his focus will be more on department and that dynamic in that close range for the two of them is going to be fascinating. >> and senator, we've been asking all hour here how american life is going to look for the coming days and weeks. how do you think the presidential campaign is going to look? suddenly we're not talking about sanders and biden having rallies. are we entering a protracted period where it's going to look different than anything we've experienced before? >> it will be completely different than anything we've experienced. my home state indiana, our primary is in early may and we're already being told about events that are being cancelled, about things that are not moving forward. so that's front and center in places like florida and illinois and ohio right now. so it's a very, very different mix than we've ever seen before, which, you know, folks like joe biden and bernie sanders feed off the crowd. they love being with people.
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and so for them, it's an entirely different reality, as well. >> michael, as long as life shut down like this, this will be the number one thing on everybody's mind. >> it is. and the thing about it, i think that really is going to be interesting, as well is how much more we get to concentrate on this political narrative of both for the president and as well as for the democratic candidates who are seeking the nomination. look, typical campaigns, everybody is excited to do big rallies and stuff. that's pretty much done. so now you're going to change your strategy to still connect to your base, maybe small house parties here and there but the big crowd stuff is going to be over. so now how do you recommunicate in a space where the lane has been narrowed so dramatically by a national health crisis, which also will dictate what you say and how you say it going forward? there's a lot riding over the next few primary events, steve,
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and it will be fascinating again to see how these two candidates starting on sunday night, i think we got a preview today will be coming into that ring. >> michael steele, former senator. thanks to both of you for being with us. >> thank you. up next, covid-19 is affecting all areas of life around the globe. more on what that looks like next. ound the globe more on what that looks like next at fidelity, online u.s. stocks and etfs are commission-free. and when you open a new brokerage account, your cash is automatically invested at a great rate. that's why fidelity leads the industry in value while our competition continues to talk.
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made a decision on our program, at least for the foreseeable future we decided it would be better if we did not have a studio audience. >> so we are without an audience thursday march 12th. good morning. >> hello. welcome to "the view," y'all. >> there you go. some major daytime television host explaining to their audience why their studios are empty this week, of course it is due to the growing concerns over the coronavirus. the covid-19 pandemic is interrupting the entertainment world as public health experts recommend avoiding large crowds. the nba, nhl, major league baseball indefinitely suspended their games in one of the nation's biggest sporting events. a cultural phenomenon every march. the ncaa basketball tournament is cancelled. broadway performances have been shut down until mid april. here is a look at the scene in times square new york tonight where theaters are dark. hollywood movies have been
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