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that's all for this edition of "dateline." thank you for watching. is. first up on msnbc, testing times. the next front on the battle to stop the spread of coronavirus. >> i am officially declaring a national emergency. two very big words. the action i am taking will open up access to 50 billion -- >> taking action, the president and congress with sweeping moves to accelerate critical supplies to people in need.
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new reaction to empty shelves on grocery stores. and the european travel ban took effect. what that means for americans, next. first we say good morning. it is saturday, march 14th. garrett haik next to me, kind of capping off what has been a very interesting week. >> that's putting it mildly. >> right. we're going to start with the coronavirus pandemic. >> this monk in the u.s., there are at least 2200 cases across 49 states. 50 people have died. overnight, free testing with he, paid emergency leave and other resources intended to help combined the crisis and stabilize finance markets. >> it was a bigger shall we say moves than we started with and we thought let's just do it right, work with our friends in labor, work with our friends in the health community, work in a
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bipartisan way. and i'm proud of the work we've done. we've taken it down the road and we'll have it in the next bill. >> this all comes just hours after president trump facing criticism for his handling of the coronavirus declared a national emergency. freeing up as much as $50 billion to help fight the pandemic. >> this as we learn of a third mar-a-lago death from the coronavirus. nester forester who sat at the president's table says he tested positive for the virus. the white house releasing a statement saying forester's interactions with the president were low risk and there is no indication for home quarantine at this time. and today, president trump's european travel ban officially goes into effect meaning visitors from 26 different countries cannot fly directly into the u.s. for 30 days. but first, the president declaring a national emergency and the house passing a coronavirus aid bill.
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>> hans nichols are live at the white house. what is in this bill just passed by the house? >> the short version is we don't know entirely because we haven't had time to read it. and that puts us in the same category as the senate saying they want to read this bill before they come down on it. we do know there's provisions for paid sick leave, unemployment insurance, extending that, there will be free coronavirus testing and food programs for children, families and seniors. this is largely what house speaker nancy pelosi wanted. there was a tense negotiation last night. there were numerous conversations between the two parties. this was separate from what the president did in the rose guard sxn that is declare a national emergency. and that has consequences across the board, as well. that frees up some cash.
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about 50 billion is available for states and localities. and then you have the requirements as it applies to the cdc and testing. it will expand capacities at hospitals to wave licensing requirements. where the president wants to get is to have nor more tests. he indicated that they're going to have drive by testing. but, guys, the tension in the president's comments was he's talking about the availability of tests and how drive by testing will become a reality here, he also continued to say not everyone needs to get tested and you should only get tested if you need it. that was the tension in some of the president's remarks. >> what about the president's testing and what steps are people at the white house taking to spread there? i understand ivanka trump worked from home yesterday. >> right. ivanka trump had been in contact with an australian official who
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has since tested. she worked from home. the president indicated last night that he may get tested at first saying his exposure to the brazilians was limited. and late last night there was a memo from the white house physician saying no tests are indicated for cvid-19. so a little bit of confusion that we'll have to clear up this morning what the president's intention is and there is the question of what you do about testling. even though administration officials have called it a failing, the lack of testing, the president wasn't taking any responsibility. have a listen. >> dr. fauci said earlier this week that the lag in testing was, in fact, a failing. do you take responsibility for that and when can you guarantee that every single american who needs a test will be able to have a test? what is the date of that? >> yeah. no, i don't take responsibility at all.
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we were sgiven e given a set of circumstances and we were given rules, regulations and specifications from a different time, wasn't meant for this kind of an event with the kind of numbers that we're talking about. we've redesigned it with the help of the people behind me. >> last night was about two press conferences. it took a different tone, more one of blaming his predecessor, blaming others, and as he got into this idea of why they disbanded this directorate in the national security council, the deals with pandemics. the president said he really wasn't aware of it. maybe someone did that within his administration, but clearly not accepting responsibility for that. one other slight change, the white house indicated they're going on extend the travel ban to the united kingdom.
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>> hans nichols at the white house for us, thank you. and for the next 30 days, visitors from more than two dozen countries will be barred from entering the u.s. those americans will be rushing home. one of them is chicago's o'hare international airport. that is where we find wendy wolfolk. what measures are being put in place to keep travelers and airport staff safe? >> good morning to you. it's become much more complicated for american citizens to return home from europe as of this morning. you can see behind me, o'hare international, pretty empty considering this is the beginning of the spring travel season in mid march. we have seen a handful of passengers check in for flights to mexico, but other than that, not a lot of coming or going here.
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the majority of these counters are empty. there are several arrivals scheduled for later this morning, and that will truly put this travel ban to the test. u.s. citizens will be facing extra screening when landing from europe and they are being asked to self-quarantine for 14 days if they have traveled to any of those 26 european countries on the list. europe has become the center of this pandemic with 70% of new cases originating there. at this points, the ban is only supposed to last for 30 days and delta and united have already begun to reduce flights from europe. there is a flight scheduled from london heathrow about 11:30 local time from the arrival and it will be interesting to see what passengers on that plane have to say.
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>> travel industry hit hard. thank you. joining us now, shreta shockraborde. joseph, we want you to take a look at this graphic. where are we right now in the trajectory of the outbreak in comparison to other countries? >> without the diagnostics in place, we have no idea where we are on the curve or what our curve even looks like. we base those curves on the laboratory confirmed diagnostics. since we don't have those rolled out broadly across the united states, we're seeing outbreaks -- epidemic outbreaks occur state by state by state. we just know that there are more cases coming and those are just the laboratory confirmed ones and that's without broad testing. so it's impossible to say where we are in that curve except that it's going up. >> basically operating in the dark right now. >> flying blind, yes.
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>> are there lessons we can take from the way italy or china or south korea have handled this situation? >> sure. it will vary across countries. in this country, what is important to remember as the cdc guidelines state, we know who the vulnerable population is and our measures need to protect themselves first and foremost. we need to know the decisions we make don't exist in silos. every decision we make does have its ripple effects. how do we protect those must vulnerable? different social distancing measures aren't making the overall issue worse. so what we need to understand is what are the base rate statistics of the risk, what is the intensity of the community transmission in a particular
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community state and based on that really decide what measures are most appropriate for that community. >> joseph, we're getting a lot of new vocabulary as people are getting into this crisis. can you talk about flattening the curve? >> so like most things in nature, epidemic occurs in a bell curve. it depends on when you start the interventions. step zero is having a laboratory diagnostic to know who is infected, who to isolate, who to focus on. it allows us to focus on those most at risk, get them isolated, threat them into care sooner and save their lives. when there are no interventions, that curve tends to go up very quickly. so the rise is the number of cases on the x axis, that would be the timeline. >> so flattening the curve means that we're implementing measures
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like social distancing, we're implementing measures like extreme personal hygiene and being very religious about that. so unless we start those interventions now and unless everybody is on the same page, that curve is not going to be flattened. >> how will we know when we're coming back down from it? or is this all about testing right now? >> it's all about testing right now. once we do and once we know who is infected and who is not and who has the -- who we can rule out for having covid-19 and who we can't, there is no way to flatten it. and let's talk about effort activities, going to the gym, the dentist, getting your haircut. what can we still do right now? what is not safe to go do? >> so, again, depending on what group you fall into in terms of
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how vulnerable you are, there's just some good common sense measure toes take. and that includes, you know, we don't have to shake each other's hands. that is something we're learning from this entire outbreak. we can minimize and it's a cost-effective intervention. so we can socially distance ourselves in a way that won't uproot our lives and there are ripple effects from that. so take the common sense measures, wash your hands frequently, and we will begin as we gather more information as we test as we've been talking about and we have that information. it's going to become a lot more clear exactly what we need to be doing and who needs to be doing it. but in the meantime, take these common sense measures, but there's no need to disrupt
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completely our lives. >> what activities should people be avoiding right now? >> just what she said. when i said there's no to flatten the curve, there's no way to know how much we are flattening the curve. there are tries and true measures, washing your hands, being mindful of everything you're touching and touching your face. >> going to have a drink with some friends, is that social distancing? >> as long as it's not particularly crowded and as long as everyone is taking that individual responsibility to know that if i'm ill, i shouldn't be going to a bar right now, whether it be a cold or flu or covid-19. >> everybody should be -- we say that again. >> everybody has to take the same precautions for any of us to be safe. we're only as strong as the weakest link. so right now, if you're in that category of you're feeling ill, you definitely shouldn't be going to a bar or a restaurant. and especially if you're in that high risk category. you probably shouldn't go altogether at this point. you're going to have to do things like go to the pharmacy.
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you're going to have to go to the grocery store. those are things that honestly you can't get through normal life without doing those things. that being said, take every precaution when you do so. you can still keep a physical barrier between you and that and the most important thing, wash wash your hands before, wash your frudz and vegetables and the fruits you're buying. i don't mean to make people overly paranoid, but that's the only way we're going to start flattening the curve. >> thank you both for your time this morning. now back to the airport scene overseas. the president's travel restrictions took effect just hours ago. janice is live from london heathrow airport. how are travelers reacting there? >> well, they reacted the way
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that somebody would when they're told that their dream vacation has now been cut short or their exchange program has been suddenly canceled because of this travel ban that came into effect at midnight eastern time. so there is a degree of airport chaos across europe. the flights still taking off today. we've seen some from united, some american airlines flights, taking off, taking these travelers back to the united states. we should point out that this ban is in effect focus european citizens of 26 countries, but it is likely to be expanded to include the uk simply because the number of cases here is on the rise kwaut quadrupling in just a single day, making europe now the new epicenter for this global pandemic according to the head of the w.h.o. here is what he had to say. >> europe has now become the
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epicenter of the pandemic with more reported cases than the rest of the world combined. >> so what we're likely to see is more restrictions come into play. there's been a change of har hat here in the united kingdom. the government a few days ago was saying we're not going to close schools, but in the last 24 hours, that is exactly what has happened. experts resoundingly saying this is the only way to try to slow the spread of the global pandemic, but health officials particularly at the w.h.o. saying that they doubt an air travel ban is going to be that effective to try to stop the virus in its path. >> janice mackey frayer, thank you very much. coming up, it's quiet out there. the streets are especially empty in new york.
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welcome back to msnbc world headquarters. here is a live look at sometimes square where people are taking the stay at home mantra to heart. the number of coronavirus cases has climbed prompting mayor de blasio to prompt a state of emergency. here, broadway is dark. shows have been canceled through april 12th. mass transit workers are busy feverishly cleaning, doing all they can to keep all of these public communal areas clean and store shelves empty, warehouses
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like costco, out of toilet paper. chris is live in times square. chris, the center of the world is extremely quiet, even just for past 6:00 a.m. >> it really is. i would say being here in times square at this time of the day is always surreal, but this is really surreal. i've give a little bit of a look behind me. normally this time of day, you would see a lot of tourists out here. right now, we really just have members of the times square alliance cleaning up. i'm struck really by the rack of traffic around here. at the very least at this time of morning, you would start to see a lot of vehicles come through the crossroads of the world. and we're not seeing that at all this morning. it's surreal. that is the best way to put it. new york city is going through what the rest of the country is going through, but with some very different issues. as you mentioned, broadway shows are canceled possibly for the next month. so that means that last night a
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very nice spring, 60-degree night, a friday night in the city, there would have been 40 broadway shows going on all around this area. those shows were dark. that meant all the restaurants that depend on that type of traffic literally, you could walk right in and get a table at any time of night. the governor, of course, said that any restaurant that has a capacity over 500 had to cut its capacity in half because there is a new rule that there are no gatherings over 500 people here in the city. and so you see this -- people kind of walking this dichotomy of trying to go about their lives, some people are going to work. some bars did have people in them last night. but certainly a lot quieter than it normally would be on a given friday night. >> and, chris, we know the community in west chester county north of the city has been hit especially hard. what can you tell us about drive
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through testing happening in the new york area? >> yeah. the governor started that yesterday, opened the first in the area, first in the state drive through testing area. as you mentioned, west chester county just a few miles north of the new york city city limit is one of the real epicenters of the disease in this state. more than 150 cases in west chester county alone. new rochelle, many of the people diagnosed in that area. there's even a one-mile containment zone where large gathering places like churches and schools and things on of that nature are shut down. so yesterday the governor went out and opened the first drive-through testing site in the state. the governor said he hopes to have the capacity about 200 people a day who live in new rochelle and want to get tested, they leave their windows up,
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they show i.d., they drive into the thing, they get swabbed and they're on their way. >> thank you. and now to europe which has become the new epicenter of the disease. throughout italy, 60 million people are coming to gribs with a nationwide lockdown there. clado is in rome. to the degree that this is a knowable thing when people are locked down, how are people reacting? >> good morning, gareth. what you're seeing in times square is what we're seeing here in italy. what we've seen for the past few days, the government has told italians to stay indoors. by the look of it, i'm standing here in one of the most popular areas of rome. everybody is listening because
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they are scared. they understand the situation. yesterday and friday at the same time they found a way to boost morale, to lift the spirit by showing up on their balconies, on their terraces, at their windows by singing the national anthem, by singing popular songs. some were playing instruments and there was some sort of social distancing flash mob. and the initiative was so successful that today at 12 oshg, that's in about half an hour from now, there are some social media calls for people to show up across the nation for a big nationwide round of applause for the many doctors and nurses and social workers who are putting in exhausting hours and extraordinariest on the front line of the battle against coronavirus. >> all right. thank you. >> now to the race for the white house where the impact of coronavirus is rippling through the democratic presidential
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primary. some states are making changes to primaries and conventions. >> louisiana is now first state to postpone its primary. and several states are canceling their county conventions. >> both joe biden and bernie sanders are preparing for another round of primaries on tuesday. 577 delegates up for grabs. all four states said they're taking measures to make sure voting measures are clean and the primaries will go on as scheduled. one exception is arizona where they're cutting back on the number of polling locations and secretary of state katie hobbs encouraging people in air ir air to take advantage of early voting options, trying to avoid potential crowds. joining us now is michael star
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hopkins. he's a founding partner of northern star strategies. how big of a problem will shutting down polling places, moving primaries around, what is this aefk effect going to be on the primary process? >> it will kind of change the momentum. biden had created a delegate lead. now everything has gone to the background. we're focused on corona now and biden's press conference allowed him to be in the moment. and it stopped sanders from having these rallies. >> it mirrors what we saw in 2007 during the financial collapse when barack obama looked like a serious candidate. he assumed the moment and now biden is kind of doing the same
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thing. >> how do these candidates drum up support if they're replacing typical actions. >>. >> does it set a bad precedent to move elections and how we're voting in the face of this? does it set a bad precedent for november or future years? >> i think people are worried. you've seen the president make jokes about having a third or fourth term and that's been something that people have been worried about. now i think we've opened ourselves up to a conversation about how every american should have at home mail-in ballots, everyone should have access to being able to vote not with just going to the polls, but from remote locations. so i think now we're going to start to have a real conversation about how we put that in place. >> the other edge of that sword
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is is it irresponsible for statsdz to hold primaries knowing that so many of the volunteers who run those polling stations tend to be older, vulnerable populations. >> especially somewhere like florida where we have a much older population, you're going to have people at polling locations clustering together. it's a dangerous situation. >> a lot of those poll workers are volunteers, as well. >> absolutely. store shelves empty across the country. when will inventory be restocked? >> plus, how the cancellation of festivals and performances is having a rippling effect on the economy. what is ahead for workers now out of a job? ♪ ♪
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casualties. that same base was hit wednesday killing three service men including two americans. the u.s. responded two days later targeting what officials said were mainly weapons facilities belonging to an iran-backed militia. the big news this morning on capitol hill, the house passing a coronavirus aid package just past 1:00 in the morning. now it heads to the senate. the bill ensures free coronavirus testing and includes benefits like paid sick leave for employees who may have to leave their jobs for medical treatment. president trump passed a state of emergency. alexis joins us now. good morning to you. president trump supports this bill. only 40% of hourly workers have paid sick leave, according to analysis from the "new york times." so will this bill be enough to keep families afloat? >> it certainly helps.
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this pandemic has now touched every corner of the u.s. economy. workers from large companies and small companies. this is a help. is it going to be enough? probably not is the short answer. we are now baking in a recession for the u.s. economy. the question becomes how deep will it be and how long will it last. >> i want to talk about this big and how quickly families might be able to see relief. we're talking about paid sick leave for families, we're talking about more food stamp benefits. but how long does it take for the average american family to actually be able to use those benefits? >> it should be happening quite immediately. this is an emergency situation.
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so they want to get this money to people as quickly as possible. there are a couple of challenges here. not everybody can get these benefits because they're part of what is perhaps what we call the gig economy. and uber has become the poster child of this, right? they have a lot of contracted employees, not staff employees. so they would not get a lot of these benefits. lyft came out and said we will help our employees through this. we'll have to see if they're going to be able to do more. >> the assumption on capitol hill is they're going to have to pass other aid packages. the president wanted a payroll tax cut. is that the most official way to get money into people's pockets? >> it is something that not all republicans are on board with, but it would be the most efficient way.
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there is another way you can get money into people's pockets and that is helicopter money. helicopter money would be the government -- it would be unprecedented for our government to hand out check toes people to basically deposit money right into your checking account with the hope that you would then go out and spend it. >> like the stimulus program in 2007 and 2008, right? >> exactly. although we didn't have helicopter cash going on then. the problem here and the unique situation now is much of this country is on lockdown mode so people are not going out and spending. if they are, they're doing it for essentials. >> panic buying, we've seen the images. i went to trader joe's over my weekend. can't find toilet paper, can't find clorox wipes. even rice and beans are becoming in short supply. so for the average person out
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there who doesn't want to wait in this line or is running low on supplies, when can we expect to see shelves restocked and it's one of those things where it will be gone in an hour. >> i see this, too, where i live. and it's a little misguided. we're having a run on products, but it's not because they're not there. the supply chains for a lot of these products are still going to be okay. it's how fast can they load the trucks and get it into the stores. stores are working overtime to make that happen, but there is an unrealistic panic going on. people are worries these items aren't going to be there. >> could we see those supply chain interruptions later on as people call in sick who work for those industries? >> that is true. the ports are already problems. our supply chain from china has been upended. so that is a good point, but
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there are some industries that have essential workers on 24/7 right now to try and deal with it. >> alexis, thank you. and now to what is trending this morning on the coronavirus outbreak. apple will close all retail stores outside of china. the closures will last until march 27th so crews can deep clean the stores. staff employees will work remotely and hourly workers will still be paid. tom hanks and his wife rita wilson are recovering from coronavirus in australia. the a-list actor tweeting the couple getsing the care they need. he added a line saying there's no crying in baseball. and the late nooft tv hosts are at least getting some material out of this while they can. are we being overly cautious? yes, but appropriately so. we don't really know what this is yet. so everything is getting -- canceling sporting events. i was supposed to be in vegas tonight. sorry, can't be there. they canceled the gay pride operate here in l.a. and they
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we are back with the morning's must-reads. john altinger takes a look at all the times trump risked exposing himself to the coronavirus as his advisers urged people his age to be extremely cautious. he writes at 73, trump is at higher risk of get ago more severe form of coronavirus and his job involves lots of meetings and air travel. joining us now is that author john altanger. in your piece, you go through several instances in which the president may have risked himself here. walk us through it. >> so trump was at cpac in maryland late last month. and we learned in the past week or so that an attendee of this conference became infect with
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the coronavirus and had interacted with a number of lawmakers. matt gates was even on a flight this week with trump on air force one and said trump was not especially hyper cautious about being his distance from them despite recommendations from the cdc and others that if you're showing symptoms, self-isolate, stay away. and he said he put himself in a separate room, but trump coached him towards the front. and he said he stood at the office door and refused to go in. i think this is just kind of emblematic of trump's approach to had so far where he has not seemed overly concerned with potentially becoming infected. we saw the announcement in the rose garden yesterday shaking people's hands, passing the microphone back and forth, a lot of back slapping. >> his press secretary says he's always been a germophop with e, always washes his hands. >> and that makes it more surprising.
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we also know beyond some of the lawmakers, there have been three people at mar-a-lago who have tested positive. but it still raises a lot of questions. the president should be setting an example arguably for people to take care and be cautious during this time to help mitigate the spread of this and to show people that, yeah, we need to take this seriously. and let's talk about another must read. trump's coronavirus travel ban excludes the countries where he has golf courses struggling for business. trump has two properties in the uk and another one in ireland. do you believe this is potentially politics? obviously, we heard from hans earlier in the show that uk might now become a part of the ban. >> yeah. so it's quite unclear. from an optics standpoint, it
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doesn't look great. trump has been accused of violating the emoluments clause by spending a lot of time at his properties as president. so the reason that these countries were excluded, at least the reason that the trump administration gave, is that they are not part of what is known as the shangun zone which is a visa free travel area. anthony fauci this week defended the move. he was saying that travel on the european continent is a little different than travel between the uk and other countries. but then again, we've also seen that the numbers in the uk in terms of confirmed infected people has been rising steadily. i think it's around 800 right now. i believe there's been about a dozen deaths. so, yeah, we also saw that trump in the rose garden said we might consider having to put the uk on the ban, as well. >> john, thank you very much.
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president trump is now comparing his administration's response to coronavirus with the obama administration's response to the h1n1 swine flu calling the swine flu response in 2009 quote a full scale disaster. he tweeted about it and talked about swine flu testing. >> if you go back to the swine flu it was nothing like this. they didn't do testing like this. and they didn't do the besting. they started thinking about testing when it was far too late. what we've done and one of the reasons i think people are respecting what we've done -- >> mr. president the last administration said they tested a million people at this point. >> ask them how they did with
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the swine flu. next, please. >> they had a very big failure with swine flu. >> let's take a look at how both responses track. the first case of h1n1 in the u.s. was confirmed on april 15th, 2009. 13 days later the fda approved a test. 71 days after that first h1n1 case cdc testing estimated 1 million cases in the u.s. the first case of covid 19 was confirmed on january 20th of this year. 15 days later the fda approved a test and 52 days after that first case 16,542 specimens have been tested. >> back with us now is joseph fare, phd and msnbc science contributor and you spent time in wuhan china anticipating the start of the coronavirus. you worked on the e-bola response. is this a fair comparison to make?
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>> not really. you can compare them in terms of numbers and time lines and things like that but keep in mind that with the flu we have a lot of experience making flu vac signe -- vaccines. we don't have a coronavirus vaccine at least in clinical rights as of yet. we have one close. we also had a drug effective against h1n1. we have no drug effective against this. we had a case fatality rate globally of around .01 to .07. and what we're seeing with coronavirus or covid 19 is anywhere from .05 in south korea where they've got early testing, very aggressive care up to.4 and that data is coming out of china so far more deadly than what we saw with h1n1. are we at the case numbers we
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had with h1n1? no, not yet but we're just starting this pandemic and we've got a loath long time to go. h1n1 lasted a little over a year and we would be in this a little over a year i would predict at least so we had a lot of things working for us with h1n1 where as we had a lot of things working against us with covid 19. >> thank you. and flights grounded. live coverage from europe at the top of the hour where the president's travel ban just went into effect hours ago. >> if you have coronavirus questions or worried about testing, travel, finances, our team is going to answer your questions in about an hour from now. and later today at 1:00 eastern. tweet us your questions, share your coronavirus stories with the #msnbc answers. e #msnbc anss the call of a schmear of cream cheese.
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