thank you for watching msnbc live. i'm lindsey riser with garrett haake. your coronavirus questions answered now on "velshi." good morning. it's saturday, march 14th. i'm ali velshi. it has been two months since covid-19 first arrived in the united states. since then it has wrought half in the united states and the world. overnight, the covid-19 aid package provides emergency leave and unemployment insurance and other measures. >> we thought it would be important to show the person

people that we are willing and able to work together to get a job done for them. we thank our republicans, those who will be supporting the bill. we appreciate the president joining us with his tweet. >> that came hours after president trump declared a national emergency. the disease affected every range from athletes to tom hanks and his wife rita wilson and the prime minister justin trudeau's wife sophie. east african nations reported covid-19 has reached the shores. there are 135,000 confirmed cases and there have been more than 55,300 deaths. this was first transmitted to humans only last november. here in the united states, essentially every state has felt covid-19 by nbc news' count

there are 50 deaths and 2,200 confirmed cases. that figure is expected to rise once test rumesults come back a testing is more widely done. fear and anxiety are the new normal. you have tons of questions about covid-19. this hour, we will try to answer as many ashen we can to the best of our ability. we have clinical professor and medical contributor dr. national natalie azar. we have ben collins and dr. erwin who was part of the public form public advisory committee. he is the author of "americans

at risk." why we are not prepared. and the former chairman of the economic adviser for the obama administration. welcome to all of you. thank you for being here. austin, you spent time in government. i want to get a sense of the week we had. starting with the oval office speech that sent the markets down to the worst day since 1987 and the announcement yesterday from the president and business leaders suggesting he is finally acknowledged how serious this may be and the country is actually doing something about it. >> yes. it was a brutal week. it was followed on a brutal week the week before for markets and the economy. we have yet to see the economic data come in. there's no doubt that as people have withdrawn.

we have all of these restrictions. i think we had a tough moment there to start because in the words of paul volker, when you enter a crisis, the only asset you have is your credibility. so to come out of the gate at the beginning and say things that then have to be corrected and then that happened again even in the speech yesterday where the president said google is going to set up a national tracking system and google today said we're actually not yet going to do that. we're going to start with a pilot in the bay area. we need to have the white house stop doing that because that conveys a message that we don't really have a plan. we don't know what we're doing. i think the agreement that they reached in congress is a good start and hopefully we can start

getting a handle both on the spread of the virus and on the fear and economic contagion. >> let's get to the questions. i'm 70 years old and i live with and care for my grandchildren. my husband is diabetic and takes immune compromising immediate equation. we are trying to keep him separat separated. i'm healthy. should i be concerned? natalie. >> first of all, she may not have anything to worry about because the kids may no longer be going to school. i heard a lot of people argue if children are the ones having mild illness, why are we closing schools? the reality is many families live in multigenerational homes. kids may be less severely affected, they carry and transmit. obviously they can't completely disrupt their living situation. i think it is not unreasonable

for a two-week period to keep the husband separated since he is clearly more immunocompromised. >> you work at the new york stock exchange? >> for 38 years. >> it's a less crowded place than it used to be. those are the workplaces where people are there all the time. they he aare in it. >> they are in it. i will tell you, they have done a great job of separating. the floor is the floor. people who work on the floor stay on the floor. there's no more interaction between people that work at the new york stock exchange for the new york stock exchange and the floor. like many businesses, they now separated. they have done the same at nasdaq where they separated the floors so there is not cross contamination. there has been zero cases of coronavirus down at the new york stock exchange. that's all good. >> earlier, we were talking about separation.

you had a whirhyme? 12k3w >> hand on the heart. three feet apart. one of the things about the guidelines from people coming from government. they are appropriate about separating from one another and all that. the reality is we have a lot of people who just haven't dealt with problems they have to solve. the older people, one extremely high risk having to watch children. i'm sure that family has no choice. who else? we have a certain amount of disconnect between the recommendations which are great and the reality of people's lives which require them to do things that may put them in danger. there's no way around that. not to mention the fact let's say they he are watching grandchildren because parents are working. if they are watching, we have the micro economic issues.

people talk about the stock market. that is something. it's out there. what will happen economically to these families that have to change their lives and lose income. dependent on to pay rent and buy food. et cetera. we have lots of problems to deal with. >> let's take another question. we are all obsessed with getting tested. most would be told to self quarantine and treat symptoms. be more specific about how to treat the symptoms. how to treat cough? cough suppressant? fever? aspirin or ibuprofen? when should you call your doctor? so many days of a high fever? trouble breathing? we he talked about this yesterday. we are doing something tricky. the rest of us are not doctors. in this case, we will have to make decisions about what qualifies for talking to my doctor and telelinking in.

>> nothing is absolute. some pearls and she hit a lot of the points. she is doing all of the right measures for caring for oneself. using the fever reducers and stay hydrated. the top four symptoms where you just make the call and you go get medical attention and not concerned about staying home to not expose he. trouble breathing. chest pain. high fever. in the community, 104 or higher is considered high enough for medical attention. interactable vomiting or diarrhea. you risk dehydration. mild symptoms, but high risk because you are immunocompromised. those are the patients we want to at least evaluate face-to-face. a phone call ahead of time so they know to mask and isolate you when you come. >> the first part of the question is getting tested. what is happening now is we

actually have a conflict about the medical community wanting people to stay home. don't worry about getting tested. the recommendations are absolutely on target. people who do epidemiology are tracking diseases and making policies. they need to know the prevalence rate in the community. we are on a collision course between what is the prevalence here to make appropriate policies and medical community that is taking care of patients that says stay away from the emergency room. if you get testing, that's fine. you need to stay away from other people. >> that's an excellent point. that's the disconnect right now. ideally, since we know patients can have mild or few symptoms. if we had our druthers, we would test everybody with upper helps p respiratory symptoms.

we got a recommendation. we got recommendations from my department and the doh. the philosophy is and this is true in medicine. if you do a test, what do you do with the positive result? in a healthy person, clinically, will a positive test change anything significant? will that person get anti-virals? the answer for healthy people, no. go home and isolate. we need to know because we don't want you infecting other people. if you are at a higher risk, you may be given anti-virals. if you are at risk to transmit into someone in your home, maybe it is important to get you tested although you might not be at risk. it got more complicated for me since last night. >> we don't have the anti-viral medication that will treat this. it is in the pipeline. it will be a while. not as long as it will take 18

months to develop a vaccine which is preventive. treating people with a medication. we are still many months away from that. >> right. is the reason you are not giving just anybody anti-viral is because i'm younger and healthy. i'll wait it out? >> no. we don't have the anti-viral. >> if you are an older person? >> right now, i don't know everything. i'll say that. >> you know a lot. >> we know they are using remdesivere. anti-viral created after the ebola epidemic or pandemic. there is a protocol that we might be using in certain, an hiv combination in hiv negative folks. there are some used imperically, but not anti-viral to help healthy or sick folks. >> people most at risk are the ones first to get treatment

versus someone like me who is healthy who will go home and isolate and wait. >> kenny, you and i have been doing tv for 25 years. like it with when you say we're young. a lot of disinformation is what people go to the internet for. it is second or third level information. this is not what you get when you go to the world health organization. you can get it on crappy web sites. >> the number one thing i would say don't look at facebook for this information. these guys. go to experts in the field. this stuff is evolving quickly. we don't really -- this is where you need to go to the cdc. you need to go to local officials who will tell you where to be and where to go and adjust. the best service i have seen come up from this and the positive part in the whole thing is we are creating systems now that make sense for this. new york city. if you text covid to 692692, it

will tell you what you are hearing is bad information. they will tell you that's wrong and tell you what is right. focus on these guys. they know what they are doing. they are smart about this thing. don't get random information. if you are getting an email from your grandmother, she's a lovely lady, but don't take her at face value you. >> stay with us. we will have more answers to your questions throughout the hour on coronavirus. plus, what we can learn from congre hong kong and singapore. what they have done to contain the virus. you are watching "velshi" on msnbc. watching "velshi" on msnbc.

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they he haave been testing flu cases for weeks. this may have worked for hong kong and singapore, the united states can implement some of these across the cities. back with us is dr. azar. dr. irwin ledwetter and austan golsbee. maybe the president is watching right now. donald trump tweeted. biggest stock market rise in history yesterday. as is always the case when trump says something, there is fact checking to be had. it is not -- as you know, we tend to measure things in percentages. i think it may be the eighth biggest percentage gain. austan, the day before was the biggest percentage loss

and-point loss. 1987. >> percentage loss. >> we went down 10%. we went up 9%. i wish the president would get off twitter and stop revealing to everyone what his priorities are in the middle of the public health crisis. who cares what the stock market did on any of the days? we have millions of people who could be infected. that's the thing that is bearing down on us for the economy. and i think the expansion of testing, as you say, in korea and singapore and japan, in hong kong and taiwan and in asia where they were hard hit because they are very connected economically to china with a lot of visitors. the secrets is it will affect us in the summer because it will go down because a lot of these places are warmer than the u.s. is at this moment.

they didn't have as much community transmission. two, and critically, they had massive amounts of testing. you could pull in in your car and not interact with anyone and get a test. they could epidemeogically track and it has slowly stopped the spread of the cvirus. anything that slows the rate of the spread is the best thing you can do for the economy. the fastest way to get people back to work. the fastest way to reduce the fear which is what is pulling us down. >> i was talking to the former fed official. he said unlike 2008 and other financial crises, this is not a financial crisis. you solve for that. some already think we're in a recession. do you? >> i do. how could we not be?

the gdp is a measure of what's our standard of living. look around. your standard of living is lower. you are not going to gatherings. nobody is flying. nobody is taking a cruise. nobody is going to the gym. they he aare not going to restaurants. this is much steeper than a normal down turn because we just reduced what we're doing. that's why we got to have paid sick leave and have to be attentive to the small businesses and everybody working. gig work. part-time. service workers and services are so much a share of the economy that it will be a rough patch for everybody. >> austan, let's be fair. the country according to the data is not in a recession. recession is two negative

quarters of gdp. it does n't mean the first quarter will be a negative none when reported. let's not create the hysteria. the stock market reacts this way because of the automation and math models which try to extrapolate out three or four months. the market is reacting ahead of what may potentially come out. you are right in what congress did yesterday is right in terms of trying to address it. it is a health issue. not a financial issue. once we get through this, all of the financials, services will come back. people will go out on vacation and you will buy a car or ipad. many suspect the market will bounce back. there is a group of people that don't think we're going into a recession. i don't think we're going into it. it may be tough for the next quarter, but not two negative quarters of gdp growth. >> i hope that's true.

let me say one thing. there are different definitions of recession. some say it has to go for six months to count as a recession. by that definition, i hope we don't have one. what i want people to prepare for is for this three months it's going to look unlike virtually anything we have seen. >> agreed. i think we need to look through that. this is not financial. this is health. this is not 2008. >> this is not 2007 and 2008. >> let's talk about tom hanks. he caught coronavirus in australia where it is summer now. are these numbers for australia, could they inform us what to expect for our summer? that is a question from craig. irwin? >> craig, here's the deal. we don't know for sure that the virus is going to be less prevalent when the warmer

weather happens. we don't know that. you know, the speculation. this is true for some virus. this is a new virus. it is a novel virus. we don't understand the behavior. i want to mention in the context. you were talking about the ability to control this in hong kong and singapore, et cetera. it is not just because it has a control in society. these are the place where is they started early testing and separating people. i want to give one piece of data. the united states of america has tested 5 people per 1 million compared to 3,600 people per million in south korea. our actions to say have been delayed is putting it mildly. i wish i could use the language but i'm on television. this is a phenomenal disaster for us. not only did we start late which got me worked up eight weeks

ago, but still not fixed. this is a level of incompetence in the public health system that americans have never seen before. you know, you remember whatever his name was? michael brown with katrina and the fed's job was questionable. that was nothing compared to the problems we're vhaving right no ins messaging and technology. this is an international embarrassment. >> i want to add something. the reason the markets rallied yesterday is because of the press conference he gave. in the conference, president trump said there were engineers working for google to have a triage system. >> there were three things wrong in that sentence. >> yes. this does not exist. a trial they he were putting together for san francisco in the bay area he. it is not out yet. >> by a sister company of google. >> by a company that doesn't

have 1,000 employees. the thing that is easing markets is the system that we may never see. >> i think what is helping markets is the plan that congress put together. >> that is also true. >> releasing $50 billion. providing money for people out of work. providing unemployment benefits. all that stuff is positive. that one sentence, i agree, is ridiculous. i don't know who gave it to him. it had to come from somebody. he just read it. i think that is irresponsible. let's talk about the reason the market rallied. not that one sentence. all of the other financial stuff the country is doing to try to ease the fear. >> realistically from the federal government, if you think you have this, what do you do? does the president give you an outline of what to do? >> public health icing on the financial cake here from the press conference which is the president of the united states shaking hands with people in front of an international

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as covid-19 continues to spread here in the united states and across the globe, there's growing concern of the scams. the fbi is tracking phishing campaigns designed to trick people to email links to hackers

and giving sensitive information. ben, everybody i deal with has sent a coronavirus email. i'm getting emails from companies i never had a physical relationship with or to where i don't go. everybody is sending a coronavirus email. the likelihood you will get one is higher than normal. >> don't click links in the email. that's a really good rule. type in the web site. i got one from sweet green. if i need to know sweet green's information about coronavirus, go to their actual web site. google and go from there. don't click on links. there are things pretending to be johns hopkins tracker of the virus that will give you a virus, weirdly enough. look, it is a really confusing time. i understand. we're all going to mess up and get weird information and forward a bad text from somebody

that people are meaning well. just be a little bit careful. you could carry bad information that could hurt somebody. >> i he want want to go back to questions from the viewers. here is one from anonymous. i'm confused too whas to what tn a daily basis. i know to stay away from the theater, but what about the supermarket and gym? i'm 77 and healthy, but the news is frightening. i don't know where i can go and where i shouldn't go. you think, natalie, we have talked about this all the time. i'm not sure i could answer it. >> i know. here is where it is hard. it is not a one size fits all. every individual has his or her risk factors with age and medical conditions and amount of activity. viral and community spread in their area. everyone has to make the decision for him or herself. >> to be clear, if you are in a place with a lot of this already, we will talk to the

mayor of new rochelle. you may want to think twice about everywhere. >> potentially. one thing which is important to reinforce is this will not last forever. this amount of precaution taken now might really make a difference and we're not going to see this lasting 3 to 6 months. we don't know. i think the decision to not go out, i think, is driven by two things. your own individual risk. if you are older and have medical problems, don't go to crowded areas. that's straight forward. the other is we want to limit spread in general. we want to mitigate that community spread by having less people in the community. right now, this is absent. social distancing is the only tool in the tool box. >> let's talk about something we talked about the other day. a number of people who will get coronavirus. many will recover. we can either all get it really soon italy-like and exceed the capacity of the health care

system to deal with it like hospital beds or we all get it over a flatter and longer period of time and be within the capacity of the health care system to deal with it. the same number of people can get sick. how we get it. if we get it over a longer period of time, it will be better. >> as opposed to the last talk we had a week ago, ali, the reality is we are heading into a hospital crisis of unprecedented proportion. i have been long touting the notion we should not panic people. who i like to kind of goose up are the people dealing with the health and hospital system. a big bill passed yesterday. i didn't see any indication that the federal government is actually going to help us deal with the problem which is we have about 100,000 at best icu be beds in the united states of america. in the best of circumstances we might need 200,000. i don't know where the beds will

come from or the staff is going to come from. if we look through the front wind sheshield of the vehicle a see what is happening in italy. it is there. >> they have makeshift hospitals. triages in tents. >> once we fill up the hospitals and icus with coronavirus patients, that means the guy who comes in with a heart attack or a car accident or somebody who needs serious medical treatment for something, we will have a problem with the non-coronavirus patients as well. it is just the way it is. i'm sorry. i was trying to find that middle road between complacency and panic. we have to be grown ups here. we are dealing with a calamity of unprecedented proportion and people have to take that seriously. many people are. i must say the general public is actually by and large doing fine. little bit of panic buying. otherwise, we're holding up. >> if you want toilet paper, you

are out of luck. kenny? you have family in italy? >> rome. >> i was talking to matt bradley in rome on friday night. nobody around him at all. >> was out walking on the thoroughfare which is the major artery in rome. he took his phone and going like this. look. not a soul to be had. they are fine. they are holed up. they are doing what they need to do. they he are nare younger and he. i'm not talking about an 80-year-old. people in the 40s and 50s with children. they are not panicked. his brother owns a restaurant. the restaurant's shutdown. i don't know what they are doing in terms of financials in italy like the united states. >> that continues to be a problem here. small business people and people who work weddings and events. las vegas. people are not going to casinos. >> that's good. >> companies are going to come

back. others will suffer. >> they will suffer for at least until we get through this. once we come out the other side. china is getting back to work. they are talking about how china is living up again. the same will happen here t. the travel around the world. we are the last ones to get it. we are probably two or three weeks behind. >> i wachnt to talk about it mo. inside the epicenter in new york. drive-thrus. we will speak to the mayor of new rochelle. you are watching a special he edition of "velshi" on msnbc. -d. a non-drowsy antihistamine plus a powerful decongestant. so you can always say "yes" to putting your true colors on display. say "yes" to allegra-d. to putting your true colors on display. ♪ do you recall, not long ago ♪ we would walk on the sidewalk ♪ ♪ all around the wind blows

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president trump declaring a national emergency on friday to combat the coronavirus outbreak in the united states. that move frees up $50 billion in funding speeds up state and federal efforts to test and care for patients. new york state reporting over 400 and rolled out the first drive-thru testing in new rochelle. governor cuomo indicates a growing number of cases in the coming weeks. >> this is going to be everywhere. this day-to-day count we're up two, we're up seven.

my guess is there are thousands and thousands of cases walking around the state of new york. >> half of all states declared a state of emergency for the coronavirus. during an interview on msnbc, maryland governor pointed out the testing is part of the medical response needed. >> the concern for us right now really is not about testing. it is about stopping the spread and social distancing measures and preparing can do to stop and slow down the growth. at some point we are not arguing about the testing, but worried about taking care of sick people. >> joining me now, atlanta mayor and new rochelle, new york mayor. thank you for being with me right now. mayor bramsom. you have an unusual cluster of cases in your city and it is being dealt with differently than we have seen across the nation. tell me what it is about.

why is that cluster and why is being done about it? >> we had a single index patient with a great number of relationships with a modern orthodox congregation in our city. before he contracted the illness, he was within a large group of people. now we have about 100 cases within new rochelle which is one of the highest concentrations in the state as well as nation. >> it is under quarantine and shutdown and national guard is there. we heard other stories of freedom of movement. what is it like in new rochelle? >> there is a containment zone. there is a prohibition of large gatherings of large institutions with the highest concentration of positive tests.

that is a sensible means of slowing down the virus. no one is prohibited from leaving or going or no restrictions on businesses. national guard is here to help with logisticals for students not in public schools and dependent on free lchs. they are not here for policing functions. this is a challenge for the community. no question about it. for those under the impression we're under lockdown or martial law, that is not the case. >> mayor, you prepared for things like this. storms or hurricanes because you know there are people who need chemo and people who need dialysis. ambulances need to get through if trees are down. there is a level of emergency preparedness that exists in major cities across america already. tell me how this is changing what you are doing in atlanta.

>> this is certainly unprecedented. it is giving us an opportunity to expand on what our business continuity plan we already have a teleworking process in the city. we have proactively taken the step to go to our business continuity plan. we have closed city hall for the next two weeks because we are looking at cities like new row new rochelle and we are looking at what we can get ahead of. we are encouraging our corporate pa partners to do the same. the fortune 500 companies have gone to teleworking. we have taken an additional step. to delay the disconnection of water services for all of our customers. we called on our corporate partners to show compassion in

the same way. we call it combining compassion with commerce. just last night, i learned the large utility company, georgia power, will not disconnect services. it is my understanding some cell phone companies are following suit. we are asking people to tip more to hospitality industry as well. we also have taken the step and making sure to continue to pay our hourly employees. we know people will be hurting financially during this time. >> i want to talk to you, mayor br bransom. i'm a teacher in cincinnati public schools. why aren't the public schools suspended in-person classes the way colleges and universities are. if it is imperative to take social distancing, why are the public school systems not following the example of the universities and colleges and sports leagues.

that is from andy. some were not public, but p parochi parochial. talk about schools and coronavirus. >> our public schools are closed for the time being as well as private and parochial. high concentrations of kids being together is a possible means of transmission. we want to be careful about limiting those opportunities. i think every community will have to make judgments on its own based on circumstances on the ground. these are hard decisions. it is not black and white. a pro and con associated with any public health measure you might adopt. all of us are struggling to find the right balance. we need strong measures that are equal to the task of slowing down the spread of the virus so it doesn't overwhelm the health care system. at the same time, we recognize if we take risk avoidance to extreme and withdraw entirely from the life and commerce of

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i'm ali velshi at msnbc world headquarters in new york. this morning there are more than 2,200 confirmed coronavirus cases in the united states. so far 50 people have died here from the disease. overnight on capitol hill the house of representatives passed a bipartisan coronavirus aid package. it includes free testing, paid emergency leave, strengthens unemployment insurance and other measures including some aimed at stabilizing the financial markets. >> it was a bigger, shall we

say, rules than we started with, and we thought let's just do it right, with our friends in labor, with our friends in the health community in a bipartisan way. i'm proud of the work we've done. >> the legislation coming hours after president trump declared a national emergency freeing up as much as $50 billion to combat the spread of covid-19. joining us now from quarantine in omaha, nebraska is carl goldman. he was a passenger that tested positive after traveling on a diamond princess cruise. carl, we talked a week ago, and you've been testing yourself in the hopes that one of these tests will ultimately come out negative and after you get two or three of those, you get to come out of quarantine? >> exactly. thanks, ali, glad to be on with you. yeah, i have to get three tests in a row that have to come out negative here in