say, rules than we started with, and we thought let's just do it right, with our friends in labor, with our friends in the health community in a bipartisan way. i'm proud of the work we've done. >> the legislation coming hours after president trump declared a national emergency freeing up as much as $50 billion to combat the spread of covid-19. joining us now from quarantine in omaha, nebraska is carl goldman. he was a passenger that tested positive after traveling on a diamond princess cruise. carl, we talked a week ago, and you've been testing yourself in the hopes that one of these tests will ultimately come out negative and after you get two or three of those, you get to come out of quarantine? >> exactly. thanks, ali, glad to be on with you. yeah, i have to get three tests in a row that have to come out negative here in omaha.

at nebraska medicine, which is one of the top places, so if i can be anywhere in the world right now, this is the place to be as i recover. what's weird is i've had no symptoms of the virus since i first got it after the first 48 hours. i had that 103 degree spike in fever, and that lasted about eight hours. my dry cough remained for about two weeks, but other than that i've been feeling fine, and now i'm in day 39 of my quarantine, so it's been a long ordeal. here as high-tech as they are, i'm going to show you this, they come out with a post it note. >> yep. >> as high-tech as they are here, this shows my test, my nasal passages still positive, so i am stuck here for a while. they're going to do another test on me today. >> do you do the test yourself, or do they do the tests on you? >> oh, no, they do the test. it goes deep up the nostrils,

deep down the throat. i also am doing a clinical study that won't help me but hopefully provide answers, so they're also doing swaps under my eyelids and one deep up my rear end, which would be hard for me to do myself. >> carl, what kind of contact are you having with people? you've not been with your wife for a long time, right? you were on a cruise together. you were on a plane home. that's when you determined that you might be sick. they quarantined you on the plane. have you had contact with your wife since then? >> no, we've been separated since then, so, no, i have not had contact that way, but of course i miss her. we're constantly communicating via face time and the phone, so we're able to communicate that way. we own the local radio station in santa clarita and a news website at hometownstation.com. i've been writing a daily journal. my wife is back there running

our business, and i'm trying to do things virtually here in omaha. >> carl, we will keep in close touch with you as this continues. one of these days you are going to get the three negative tests that you need, and you will be freed to resume your wife and spend your time with your wife. thank you for joining us again, carl goldman is a quarantine coronavirus passenger from the diamond princess cruise sh. moving now to president trump and his refusal to take responsibility for ongoing problems with testing. this is what he said after declaring a national emergency yesterday. >> dr. fauci said the lag in testing was a failing. do you take responsibility for that? >> i don't take responsibility at all because we were given a set of circumstances, and we were given rules, regulations, and specifications from a different time. >> yesterday's redo after his failed oval office address on wednesday is just the latest in a series of disinformation and contradictory statements coming from the commander in chief when

speaking about coronavirus. >> we're going down, not up. we're going very substantially down not up. when you have 15 people and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, we're going to be pretty soon at only five people, and we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. >> congress's top doctor has told senate staffers that he expects 70 to 150 million americans to contract the coronavirus. >> i mean, view this the same as the flu. >> the mortality of this is multiple times what seasonal flu is. >> anybody that needs a test gets a test. >> we don't have enough tests today. >> we're very close to a vaccine. >> when you're talking about the availability of a vaccine, you're talking about a year to a year and a half. >> a lot of people think that goes away in april with the heat. >> we do not know whether it's going to diminish as the weather gets warm. >> it's going to disappear.

one day it's like a miracle. it will disappear. >> we can expect to see more cases in the united states. >> we will see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now. >> it's amazing. joining me now thomas boy key, the director of the global health program at the council on foreign relss. he's also the author of the book plagues and the paradox of progress, why the world is getting healthier in worrisome ways. nbc news correspondent ken dilanian joins me as well. good to see you. thomas, that montage, and by the way, we could have done ten different montages about that sort of stuff, things that donald trump specifically said that were proved to be incorrect. you could have actually had donald trump just saying things that were contradictory to what he has said himself. from a public health perspective, the information flow from the federal government is a remarkably important part of the psychology of dealing an epidemic like this? >> it is, it is. it's, in fact, at this point one of the most, if not most

important thing we can do is communicate accurately based on the most up to date scientific information and provide an even-handed assessment of what people can do to protect themselves. that is going to be how we can reach the most people on the policies that will do so. it's really important that we get that right. i thought it was a positive step yesterday at the white house that the president put tony fauci and debbie birx to answer questions directly. >> one of the things that tony fauci said at congress yesterday surprised me. fauci's been at this a long time. he is believed to say what he thinks. he actually praised donald trump's ban of travelers from europe even though the ban isn't really of travelers from europe. it's a ban of non-american travelers from europe. the travel ban itself seems to be of questionable efficacy, but this particular one seemed to be

more immigration policy than public health policy. >> so it's hard to justify from a public health perspective the ban the way it's designed. as you point out, it doesn't apply to americans coming back from europe. it also doesn't apply, at least as of today, to britain, which has a surging number of cases. it applies to countries that have a small number of cases. it's really hard to justify it. there's no question europe is now the epicenter of this outbreak outside of china, but the way this is being applied doesn't make any sense. >> sarah raskin is joining us as well. sarah is a former deputy treasury secretary and a former federal reserve governor. sarah, this week was remarkable, the last couple of weeks have been remarkable on the stock market. we saw a strong day yesterday after the worst day we've seen since 1987, what's interesting is we also saw the federal reserve on thursday inject $1.5 trillion into the economy. we saw the fed cut rates by 50 basis points, half a percent

last week. neither of these things had a particularly strong effect on markets. the thing that did help markets yesterday was a deal with congress and the idea the state of emergency and increased testing, which proves that for most people including investors, this is a public health crisis, not a financial crisis. >> that's exactly right. so what you have seen is the beginning of a pivot towards fiscal policy, towards the attempt to actually have some structural attempts to do something for the health of the american people. when we do something for their health, we will actually start to see some good effects on the economy, but obviously people are integral to how the economy performs, and if we aren't taking steps that are critical to making sure that people r remain healthy or if they get sick that they're going to somehow bounce back, we've got to -- you know, we're going to have an issue. so the use of policies now we're going to have to get balanced

between what it is the fed can do with monetary policy and what it is congress can do with fiscal and structural change. >> and ken dilanian, what it is the white house can do because the failures so far have been from the administration in the messaging, in the inability to take this seriously, in the delay of decisions. we have known -- we, the public have known that there's been something called coronavirus since december. we had the first case in the united states at the end of january, but your own reporting indicates that the government has known about this for longer. >> yeah, that's right, ali. we have a deep dive that's about to publish on nbcnews.com that takes a look at the trump administration response from the beginning, can itand it's reall story of misinformation as you presented in that montage but also mismanagement and missed opportunities. those three things are interrelated. the mismanagement has a lot to do with the failure to deploy a national testing system. that can't all be laid at the

feet of donald trump, but part of it has to do with the fact that the trump administration disbanded the global health unit on the national security council more than a year ago. so there aren't people with experience in public health and pandemics in the white house around president trump, and that, our sources tell us, has had an effect on how they have handled this situation. when you talk about mismanagement, look no further than the steps that donald trump took yesterday were probably steps they should have taken a month ago. but even that was flawed. we're now learning that he announces that google has a website to do testing and google says, wait a second, we don't have a national website. it is a test run in the bay area. so they still not getting it right, and it has repercussions. this goes beyond anything that george w. bush was accused of failing to do in hurricane katrina, ali. >> they said he had 1,700 engineers working on this, the company that's doing this, which is a sister company of google doesn't even have a thousand employees. when asking about the disbanding of this group and the national

security council and the deals with pandemics, the president said they hadn't been doing things for a while. first of all he takes no responsibility for it. earlier he said they haven't been doing anything for a while. i'm a businessman. i don't want thousands of people around not doing work. we can get them back when we need them. there weren't thousands of people involved in the first place, but public health is one of those things that we have to be careful about when it's not in fashion disbanding the people who are working on it. >> that's exactly right. so this crisis is evidence of that. the time to prepare for a pandemic, of course, is before it occurs. not being able to have your best people in a position to move quickly to respond is going to be a dramatic hurdle. as you pointed out, your colleague, you know, it's been eight weeks since we had our first u.s. case. it is been six weeks since the world health organization has announced this as an international emergency. it's been 17 days since the cdc has confirmed that we have

community spread of this virus in the united states, and we are still working on testing. what viewers need to understand, the widespread public bans we have around schools and businesses and people remaining in their homes across states, this is because we cannot test. we cannot target our response. we cannot isolate people. so we have to cast a very wide net. and it's shutting down large parts of the country leaving aside the enormous health impact it might have. >> sarah talk to me about the fact that some key economists have suggested that we are already in a recession, a recession would be more serious than the idea that the stock market has taken a downturn. stock markets do tend to return over time, recessions can have longer lasting and lingering effects. >> that's right, and what we are seeing with the, you know, the effects of pandemic, of course, are that there are huge swaths of the economy that are shutting down. so we have no economic activity

that is occurring that would be in essence, the measure of whether or not we are in a recession or not. you know, the consensus view is, you know, you don't know that you're in a recession until it's too late, but we are seeing such significant slowdown of activity, people not being able to work, people not going to school. i mean, there is a sense really that economic activity is slowing dramatically, at which point, what we really need to be focused on is how long it's going to take to actually restart. so of course we can't restart until we kind of hit bottom in terms of understanding where we are, in terms of the scope of the health issues, but it's going to be really important to see whether or not this is going to be a short-term downturn or a long-term downturn, and of course everything that we do now to prepare is going to be

significant regarding how long a downturn is going to exist. and of course it's not just the u.s., right? this is a global, you know, highly likely a global downturn. we're starting to see in china a little bit of an uptick, right? we're starting to see very slowly workers coming back to factories, production perhaps starting again, but of course if there's no demand for those products and services from other countries, query as to whether we're going to have the right match where the u.s. and other countries are going to be prepared to actually buy goods and services coming from china if, in fact, china is starting to, you know, rev up again. so this is a very, really, i think a very treacherous kind of point in time, and this is why you see policymakers attempting to do things that would -- that would make any downturn short-lived. now, if it's too short-lived,

and you bring people back to work and you end quarantining before people are better then that's actually not at all good, and we would in essence go into yet another downturn which could last even longer. so this has to be handled very, very carefully, and the way you really do that is by focusing on the health of people. >> right. >> this is a health issue more than it's a financial issue. >> yeah. >> thank you to the three of you for helping us out. georgetown law professor, the director of the global health program at the council of foreign relations, and the author of the book plagues and the paradox of progress. former deputy treasury secretary and federal reserve governor sarah raskin and nbc news correspondent ken dilanian. misinformation spreading just as fast as the virus itself, the facts about the coronavirus testing and the development of a vaccine from our medical experts next. this is "velshi" on msnbc. r medt this is "velshi" on msnbc. ng on?

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. but we don't want people to take a test if we feel that they shouldn't be doing it, and we don't want everyone running out and taking only if you have certain symptoms. additionally, 1.4 million tests on board next week and 5 million within a month, i doubt we'll need anywhere near that. we don't want everyone taking this test.

it's totally unnecessary, and this will pass. >> while president trump suggests to americans they shouldn't get tested, new cases are pouring in by the hundreds. health experts argue those numbers aren't fully accurate. why? because one of the biggest issues facing the country right now is our testing capacity. how does the united states compare to other countries? let's take a look. as of this morning in south korea, 261,335 people have been tested. health officials are actively tracking down residents with symptoms. daily they conduct between 10,000 to 15,000 tests. the united states has tested just over 19,000 people. both countries announced their first cases on the same day. between the two, only south korea has been able to slow down the outbreak. the united states is so far behind on testing because according to one "politico" reporter trump undermined health officials because he was more concerned about his re-election. listen to this. >> in the case of alex azar, he did go to the president in january, my understanding is he did not push to do aggressive

additional testing in recent weeks, and that's partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of coronavirus outbreak and the president had made clear the lower the numbers on coronavirus, the better for the president, the better for his potential re-election this fall. >> so while millions of americans worried about contracting a virus that's killed more than 5,000 people worldwide, the president is reportedly worried about his presidential bid. joining me now is the ceo and cofounder of distributed bio, an immuno bio group working on universal vaccine design. jake and his team were feature instead netflix's series pandemic, how to prevent an outbreak and are working on neutralizing an antibody for the coronavirus. also, dr. joseph fair. great to see both of you. jake on twitter you said yesterday there's some good news i can discuss soon regarding our

covid-19 antibody engineering program. do tell. >> first off, thanks for having me on. we've been working on taking antibodies that react to sars from 2002, and we're adapting them to recognize their cousin, which is the covid-19 ka sars-related coronavirus, the good news i had on twitter, which you'll hear more about, is we are working with u.s. amirae and dar pa to try to figure out the fastest way to take these molecules to clinic and get phase one data. the whole game here is to try to figure out exactly how quickly we can go through the necessary validation of a drug to know it is safe and effective in order to be able to release it to those who need it globally. >> joseph, let's talk about testing. we've really been talking about this for a long time. this seems to be the beginning and end of how we deal with things. whatever discipline you're in,

you're ooh virologist, information allows you to make good decisions, the absence of testing for us has been an information problem. >> it's how we guide strategy to mitigate that epidemic curve that we're talking about. that's how we flatten that curve is by knowing how and where to focus our energy, whom we focus on, who do we get into care faster, who do we isolate, who do we socially distance. without knowing that, you don't know if you have the common cold, you don't know if you have covid-19. you don't know if you have the flu. it leads to mass panic, hysteria, it leads to drops in markets. it leads to multiple derivative effects. >> when we look at south korea, hong kong, singapore, places that seem to have been able to have mitigated this better than we can. it is about testing. we're not looking at testing 100% of people. donald trump says don't get tested if you're not sick. there are protocols as to who should be tested. you're never going to want to test 100% of people. >> absolutely not. we don't have the capacity to do

that. if you meet a certain set of criteria, which is you have any known contact with a covid-19 case, if you have the symptoms more closely associated with covid-19, if you have travel history to one of the hot spots, which right now most of the united states a hot spot, so everybody has a travel history theoretically to hot spots right now, you're going to want to meet those criteria before we can test you. primarily we want to focus on the high risk groups you're going to need to hospitalize and get care to. >> talking about coronaviruses in general and the flu, the problem with the flu it mutates from season to season or year to year, which is why the fact that i had a flu shot three years ago doesn't necessarily make me immune to the new strain of the flu. you're also trying to figure that out? >> yeah, that's right. so we are already observing some mutations in the current coronavirus. we also know that coronaviruses can undergo rna or genetic shuffling within organisms.

we've seen this historically. surveillance we're doing solves two things, it lets us know where the hot spots are so we can sufficiently suppress and treat and apply pressures to try to limit the outbreak. the other reason for surveillance is to keep an eye in case there are altered states of virulence that happen as mutations accumulate. >> of the things that have happened, the declaration of the state of emergency, the deal that congress has made, does any of that help your work or the work of people who are developing vaccines or ways of thinking about mitigating the effects of these types of viruses? >> you know, it does in a couple of ways. so first off, but declaring it a pandemic globally, the world health organization has potentially opened up $320 billion from the world bank that was set in reserve after the ebola outbreak. that doesn't mean in the casene money will be released. but it could help stem the flow of new cases. nationally, there's a large amount of additional money. initially we're talking about 2 billion, then 8, now we're

talking about $50 billion that are going to be potentially released to help out a variety of areas to stem the outbreak including medical efforts. so we're coordinating with u.s. am rat and they have a large amount of money that will be going their way. that's the part of the government and the military that aids us in creating new medicines and rapid deployment of those medicines, which is particularly important in an outbreak of this class where we have no current medicine to treat people. >> joseph, you have worked with ebola and the response to that. are there very clear lessons from that that we are able to use here? >> there are very clear lessons and the irony of it is we spend most of our time, i've responded to outbreaks most of my career on behalf of the united states government, we're actually doing exactly the opposite of everything we tell everyone else not to do, calling it a hoax, community messaging, making sure the message is the same across the board. whole of government approach, not just one agency, multiple agencies. my colleague just mentioned dar p, a, that's the drktsod, we ha

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with the rising number of coronavirus cases in the united states, the drop in the stock market and more people staying at home not participating in the economy, economists are warning that we could be headed toward a recession, but what exactly is a recession, and how do we know if we're in one? well, the national bureau of economic research defines a recession as a significant

decline in economic activity spread across the economy lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real gdp, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale retail sales. this definition has been in place for the last ten years. so those of us who remember, the great recession, the definition has changed a bit. we no longer define a recession by just two consecutive quarters of a decline in growth. here's the thing, in the united states as in most of the world, we've seen recessions before. they're part of the natural cycle of the economy. this is the gdp since 1949 or so. this shows where the dips are. every one of these is a recession. the bottom of one of these dips tends to be a recession. this is the great recession in 2008. you can see we don't typically have drops as big as that. however, look at this, we haven't had a recession since -- well, since 2008. so we're 11 years from one. let me show you this chart. i've shown you this before. this is the dow over the course of 100 years.

there are very few dips. it tends to go straight up since the '80s. that was the great depression over there. this is a recession. this is the recession of 2008, 2009, and you see it generally goes up. this is what we saw that tells us that even though there are recessions markets tend to go up over time. let me repeat that bit of good news for you. that is that history tells us markets go back up, but recessions are bigger than markets. so where does that leave us now? prominent economists are sounding the alarm that we are already in a recession or we're headed toward one, meaning we've got to brush up on what that might look like this time around. joining me now is ken roe gauff a harvard university professor of public policy, an economist and the author of "this time is different: eight centuries of financial folly." you and i have been talking over the last few weeks, you are more alarmed about the potential of

recession than you were when i talked to you a couple of weeks ago. why? >> i am, ali, i think a u.s. recession is almost baked in a cake at this point, and i think the reason is as the virologist, the virus, it's become clearer that we need to put a pause on the economy. we need social distancing, stopping nba games, potentially, you know, closing off a lot of plane flights. there are some people in the economy who can work from home. i think they're less efficient, but there are an awful lot who can't. so even under the optimistic scenario that this passes in six weeks or two months, i think that alone could give us an impulse big enough to have a steeper, deep dip than we had in 2008. >> wow. >> look at what happened in china, we're doing the same thing. look at what's going on in italy. things are still functioning but it's very dramatic, and then of course if this turns out to be recurrent and we have to completely restructure

everything, i don't know. markets are functioning. we were very strong coming into this, but this is a huge drop. we have pushed the pause button on the economy, and we don't know how long it's going to last. >> let's talk about what that looks like. there are a lot of people who follow the stock market, donald trump does particularly closely. that's only a part of it. about half of americans are invested in the stock market. obviously when we have big selloffs like we've seen, it affects more of us. many of us including me work for publicly traded companies. so the stock market affects us even if we aren't invested. but a recession is something broader and deeper than that. >> well, absolutely. it's jobs, so we had unemployment, which is right now below 4% go up over 10%, millions and millions of people lost their jobs or were working in jobs that they didn't like as much as what they had before, and i think what congress has done is very good. i mean, people still need to get their paychecks. we have to try to protect firms,

encourage them not to lay off workers, but this is putting a lot of stress on the system. i expect to see unemployment go up sharply, and that's, of course, what really hurts. >> you said it might be deeper. it doesn't have to last as long as the last recession. what do you mean by that? >> well, the last recession there were profound problems in the financial system that took time to repair, and what's key here is that we try as we move forward, of course, first and foremost it's the health system protecting people's health, investing in the health system, but we have to make sure that the healthy parts of the economy do not suffer long-term damage by protecting workers, protecting businesses, you know, normally in a recession, you showed a chart that you get a v shape recovery. you go down and you go up really fast. that did not happen in 2008. we went down, down, and then stayed down and very gradually came up. we have to avoid that.

i think it it's going to require a very forceful response from the government, i would say massive fiscal stimulus, not just at the health sector, the whole economy. a trillion dollars i wouldn't even blink right now at doing that. it's really going to be massivement i thimassive. i think that will happen. the sooner it happens the better. >> ken, good to see you. we will continue to have this conversation. ken rogoff, an economist and the author of "this time is different: eight centuries of financial folly." virtual campaign events, primaries postponed, elbow bumps replacing handshakes. we're in uncharted territory as the coronavirus spreads, how the pandemic is shaping the 2020 m campaigns. you're watching "velshi" on msnbc. aigns. you're watching "velshi" on msnbc. come on. no. campaigns. you're watching "velshi" on msnbc. campaigns. you're watching "velshi" on msnbc. mpaigns. you're watching "velshi" on msnbc. only discover has no annual fee on any card.

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overnight the house of representatives passed a bipartisan coronavirus aid package that includes free testing, paid emergency leave, and it strengthens unemployment insurance and other measures. that came just hours after

president trump declared a national emergency, which itself came days after he blamed democrats for inflaming the situation and roughly two weeks after he called covid-19 a, quote, hoax created by the democrats. the president has also implemented another travel ban now in effect for european nations which considering covid-19 is spreading inside the united states is sort of like the romans closing the gates with the vizigots already inside. for weeks trump did not push aggressively for testing because he felt higher case numbers would hurt his re-election campaign. trump's oval office speech was meant to reassure a terrified nation, but as "the washington post" puts it the speech was riddled with errors, nationalistic and xenophobic in tone, and boastful of his own decisions and the sue prpremacy the nation he leads. in the definition of do as i say, not as i do, trump says

he's not been tested nor is he self-isolating after coming into contact with a brazilian official who has the disease. joining me is betsy woodruff swan and the founder of she the people, amy allison. i want to start with you, louisiana is delaying its primary. that may sound like a prudent thing to do. it starts to get people worried about if there are delays in things having to do with the democratic process because of coronavirus, how far does that go, and what advantage does donald trump take of that? >> i mean, you said this is exactly what people should be paying attention to. you know, food, housing security, unemployment insurance, those basics, those were covered in legislation. it's really showing the cracks of a breakdown in our social network, but if we look at democracy, we also see what happened in louisiana was very bad. you have a gop secretary of

state who pushed off a primary election without a comprehensive plan. we need to be looking seriously at very comprehensive ways of addressing and protecting our vote in the context of a global pandemic. look at what senator widen is proposing which is to make all voters vote by mail voters. that could be a good solution so that people are not required to stand in line and stand in crowds and they can still exercise their vote because, honestly, if you start moving elections, it causes confusion. it causing uncertainty, and people really aren't sure about how they can exercise their right to vote and if that vote will be protected. this is a really high priority. >> and it becomes worrisome, betsy when it comes to the general election. donald trump said that he didn't want those people getting off that boat that was parked off of san francisco because he didn't want to double the coronavirus numbers for something that wasn't our fault, as he said. now we hear that alex ashzar

wasn't pushing for more testings because donald trump felt like more testing would affect his re-election chances. when we have votes being delayed and a president who doesn't want his re-election chances affected, the possibility that we've gone into a recession, markets having tanked, one starts to worry, one can reasonably worry about what donald trump might be thinking about the election and how to handle it. >> certainly, and public health officials when the president said that he specifically didn't want to take americans off of a ship who were in danger because of concerns about the metrics and how those metrics might potentially affect his re-election bid, that's the kind of thing that causes grave concern among people who work in the public health space and who only want the president to make public health decisions based on keeping americans safe rather than on these electoral calculations. another really big question going into election day in 2020 is what the national parties

will decide to do regarding their national nominating conventions. tom perez the chairman of the dnc said recently that he currently doesn't have plans to have a convention that wouldn't be in person. many dnc delegates are elderly. they would potentially be considered part of the more vulnerable population to the novel coronavirus. that's something we're going to be keeping an eye on going forward, whether those plans develop either from the republican or democratic parties about ways to have these conventions that could come with lower risk than massive and often crowded in person events that i've covered, that i'm sure you've covered and others. they're pretty crazy and there's a lot of germs going around. >> this has got to become a very serious conversation for both parties at this point because campaign events, particularly leading up to tuesday's primaries, they were supposed to be big events, for instance, in yil that have be illinois that have been canceled. there are not going to be

victory parties not just the presidential candidates but down ballot from them. st. patrick's day, that's not happening, rallies and then leading up to the conventions, at some point we just don't know when this crisis is going to end. what effect does it end up having on the election, on the enthusiasm, on the type of energy that rallies and public gatherings bring? >> i mean, that's the question. and it's starting to sink into american's minds. this is not a two-week pause in campaigning. this is something that's going to affect us and politics at least through the summer. if tom perez and the dnc is not considering not bringing together, what other alternatives, if the campaigns aren't figuring out and leaning deeply into digital outreach, particularly because the voters, i know for women of color and other key groups as part of the democratic party coalition, we need high turnout. how are you going to get high turnout? how are you going to communicate with voters if you're not thinking about deeply changing

strategies, adjusting strategies so that we can continue to have, you know, online conversations, encourage voter registration and participation in those ways. look, i'm not going to tell the dnc what to do. if they're not already planning for an alternate scenario, if they're not already -- i mean, we're already looking at sundays the two top democratic candidates are going to be debating each other. i think sitting down without an audience. we've never experienced that. >> it was supposed to be in phoenix and gone back to d.c., without an audience. it's a strange thing. it's such a big part of our politics in this country. in theory everything can go forward. one of the things we've seen in the last week, certainly with joe biden appointing a team of experts on the epidemic and delivering an address that certainly felt presidential, this is something he's had experience with as the vice president of the united states versus donald trump having to redo an oval office address on wednesday night that caused

markets to tank, the presidential candidates, the democratic candidates are really using this as an opportunity to draw distinctions between them and how donald trump is handling this. >> that's right, and sanders particularly has used this moment to highlight his career of pushing for an expanded social safety net. one of the reasons that many experts believe that the united states as a population is particularly vulnerable to this virus is that we don't have universal health care coverage, is that despite the legacy of the affordable care act, many, many americans still don't have health insurance, still don't have the ability to go to the doctor without fear that they could face bankruptcy because of -- because of medical costs that they can't control or predict. that's something that sanders has been highlighting, not necessarily on the trail, but when he's been having conversations, publicly and putting out statements regarding his candidacy, that said at this point, the big challenge for him with this coronavirus situation is that it's just shifted the focus of probably the vast

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with president trump ice travel ban taking effect at midnight global airlines and their employees are face the question of what happens next. the ban is going to affect nearly 7,500 flights and 2 million airlines and the uncertainty of the pandemic may force carriers to eventually cut jobs through furloughs but will this ban help contain the outbreak in the united states? joining me now is the president of the association of flight attendantss. she's ban a flight attendant for 24 years. thank you for being with us. we are seeing the effects of the the reduction in travel around the world. a number of airlines are cutting their staff, furloughing their staff, laying their staff off but in this particular case it's not sure how much sense this makes because it's a half a travel ban. if you're non-american you can't

and there's no distinction with the virus. >> yeah, this is really a product of an injury to one is an injury to all. labor understands this very well. but if one person is infected, if we're not looking out for that one person that we're all at risk and the approach that this administration has taken othis has actually put us further in harm's way. so we're experiencing the effects of that now as the virus is out in our communities and this is not just about looking at the point of entry for where the virus is going to infect our communities. it's already there. >> sarah, one of the things you said to lawrence the other night which i thought was interests is that you're in h the business of being on planes with passengers who get very nervous about noises, bumps, turbulence and you send a message, you are trained specifically to send a message to passengers that you know what this is all about, we're under control. very different than the messages we're getting from our federal government right now. >> clear information and

leadership matters. people will follow that information and they will follow clear leadership and that is what we need right now to eradicate this virus. >> what is happening in your union? do you have instances of flight attendants who have tested positive for covid-19. >> we are probably more prepared than almost any other members of the public and we are starting to get some test positives but we have been at this for two months so this has been an elongated time. if you give people god information and help them take steps to keep them healthy you can help contain the spread and that is generally what has happened in our community but now we are starting to get some test positives. it's just been at a lower rate than the rest of our community. >> we hope everybody stays safe. the mayor of america's largest city, the second ranking senate democrat and the director of the harvard global health institute join a.m. joy next and i'll be

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that's it for me today sort of because i'm going to be back with my friend joy on a.m. joy in just a few moments but a.m. joy starts right now. i have to tell you, it is our job as we have said to walk that line between, you know, we can't be complacent but we certainly do not want to be involved in invoking panic, but this falls

squarely into the category of you got to take this seriously and we have to work harder at that because for so long the administration has not been taking it seriously. >> the danger is that if you have a percentage of the population that thinks it isn't real and even now after donald trump has been forced to treat it as a serious problem, still don't necessarily believe it. >> usa today did a survey in which they polled people about hand washing, whether they think they should take it seriously. a hager number of democrats thought they should take it serious than republicans. it is not useful that your political affiliation determines with how you deal with a virus that doesn't know if you're an immigrant or a visitor. >> one, donald trump i think as you said reluctantly is treating it as serious but even some of his faollowers choose to believ it. community transmission means there is a mm