squarely into the category of you got to take this seriously and we have to work harder at that because for so long the administration has not been taking it seriously. >> the danger is that if you have a percentage of the population that thinks it isn't real and even now after donald trump has been forced to treat it as a serious problem, still don't necessarily believe it. >> usa today did a survey in which they polled people about hand washing, whether they think they should take it seriously. a hager number of democrats thought they should take it serious than republicans. it is not useful that your political affiliation determines with how you deal with a virus that doesn't know if you're an immigrant or a visitor. >> one, donald trump i think as you said reluctantly is treating it as serious but even some of his faollowers choose to believ it. community transmission means there is a community.

>> you know what i thought made him take it seriously? the stock market. >> 10% drop in the stock market because that's what he pays attention to. >> and the second piece of it is his inclination to think that this is a foreign disease. >> he said it in his oval office speech, he continue to make references to china and europe and italy. at some point it's a public health issue, just deal with it. it's here on your shores. >> new york, oregon, texas, florida. >> the idea of foreigners as dirty, germ ridden all that stuff, that's as old as the hills. >> can you stick around? >> i will as always. >> i want to say good morning to all of you and welcome you to a.m. joy. and there is no mincing words this morning as we've just discussed. we are in the midst of a global pandemic that shows no signs of slowing down. world wide there have been a total of 147,000 confirmed cases and more than 5,000 deaths

according to john hopkins center for system science and engineering. here in the u.s. there are now more than 2,200 known cases and 50 deaths according to nbc news numbers. that number is likely to grow significantly because we are simply not testing at the rate that other developed countries are. and the cases of community transmission, meaning transmission between people here, not people traveling here, those will continue to climb. it's also important to understand that while it has symptoms similar to the flu and people are consistently comparing it to the flu, the novel coronavirus or covid-19 is more contagious and more likely to be fatal than the seasonal flu according to the experts. we have to face forthrightly that the health threat and the mass disruption that we're all facing is likely to continue for the foreseeable future.

and the fact that this country is far behind the rest of the world in reckoning with that, and doing something about it is because of the decisions and frankly the ineptitude of the trump administration. it did not have to be this way. it should not be so difficult in a developed country like the united states to obtain a coronavirus test that yields valid results. other countries have managed to do it. so what happened? according to politico, by the end of february the world health organization had shipped test kits to nearly 60 countries. the u.s. is not one of them. instead the trump administration shunned those test kits and instead ordered the cdc to manufacture their own, america first. but lo and behold, those tests proved to be faulty in quote almost every way imaginable. and so now we're scrambling. the lack of available testing

led revered immunenologist to say this on thursday. >> the system does not -- is not really geared to what we need right now. what you are asking for. that is a failing. >> a failing, yes. >> it is a failing. let's admit it. the idea of anybody getting it easily the way people in other country are doing it, we're not set up for that. do i think we should be? yes. but we're not. >> and availability of the test, people getting the test is not the only factor. contributing to what could only be called mismanagement, the total mismanagement of the coronavirus crisis here. there are questions about whether the requirements for testing are too strict. as the new york times wrote on thursday, some have been rejected because they had no symptoms even though they had been in proximity to someone who tested positive. others were told no because they

had not traveled to a hot spot abroad even though they had fevers and hacking coughs and lived in cities with growing outbreaks. still others were told a bitter truth, there simply were not enough tests to go around. and there's the even more disturbing reporting that the lack of testing is due in part to the president of the united states obsession with keeping the numbers of u.s. cases low. and this isn't just speculation. here's trump saying it when a ship containing sick americans passengers was forced to dock off the coast of california last week because the president didn't want those people to come to shore. >> they would like to have the people come off. i'd rather have them stay, but i'd go with them. i told them to make the final decision. i don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault. >> i don't need to have the numbers double. and politico reports that experts inside the administration who know we have

been more testing have been reluctant to tell the president. as the outbreak as grown trump has become attached to the daily count of coronavirus cases and how the united states compares to other nations reiterating that he wants u.s. numbers kept as low as possible. health officials have found ways to oblige him by highlighting the most optimistic outcomes in briefings and their agencies have tamped down on promised transparency. it's a clearly difficult situation when the top wants to hear certain answers says one former official whose briefed the white house. that can make it difficult for folks to express their true assessment even the most experienced and independent minds. what's equally confounding is that some people have been able to get tested, people like nba stars and at least one member of congress. congresswoman cortez summed up what a lot of people have been thinking during a recent

appearance on fox news. i did say fox news. it is just that kind of time. >> it almost seems like the more wealthy and powerful you are, the more able you are to access a test but the more, you know, the rougher road you've got here, it's going to be a lot more difficult for you to access health care. that's exactly the recipe for disaster. >> donald trump declared a national emergency on friday, and he said his administration was working with the private sector to make testing more widely available. but even that announcement was marred by confusion and false statements. there is some potential good news this morning in the form of a bill passed late last night by the house. the families first coronavirus response ability negotiated by speaker pelosi and house democrats with steve mnuchin representing the administration. it could make more tests available for free and the president does say that he will sign the bill. but first it would have to pass the senate which much mcconnell dismissed this weekend instead

of keeping senators in washington to get this urgent -- extremely urgent work done. joining me now to discuss that legislation, where we go from here is senate democratic whip of illinois. thank you so much for being here this morning. >> glad to be with you. >> let's first talk about the testing piece of it because i think what is shocking, i mean, i live in new york city, part of the time and this is you know, the most modern, best city in the world. right? modern city. it is almost impossible to get a test here. can a member of congress get a test? can you get a test if you want one? >> i don't know because i haven't asked but i'll tell you the state of illinois is not much different than new york. we have about 13 million people in this state. we are testing about 300 to 350 a day. that is totally inadequate. the testing to this point has been a disappointment and unfortunately has made this situation worse. >> and okay. so the testing is a problem. that's part of it. one of the challenges is that we could have had a test.

the world health organization approved a test that's made in germany by a company that is used by almost every medical lab in the country i'm told. he's very familiar with this company. they made a test. the administration rejected that test, wanted one made our own. could the united states congress, could the senate and the house pass a bill saying we just want to buy that test we just want the united states to have the w.h.o. test. >> i'm not sure. i would support any effort to put together a credible medical test that can be used in volume in the united states to really survey the number of people really infected to find out if there are clusters of those people and to make sure we do everything we can to mitigate any spread, but i will tell you, at this point we have lost three to four weeks of testing. is that important? well, think of this for a moment. the first case of coronavirus was diagnosed in italy on january 31st. five months later they had

closed down 25% of the italian economy six weeks after that first case they closed down the entire italian economy. so six weeks from the first diagnosis to the decision to basically quarantine a nation, so three weeks lost on the front end of this does not make it any easier for us to contain it in the united states. >> let's talk about the bill that was passed in the house late last night overnight. is that bill going to come to the senate floor when mitch mcconnell decides to end the long weekend that he's given the united states snatenate? >> i hope it comes immediately and senator mcconnell has within his own power to convene the senate and ask that that measure pass even before all the senators return and all the staff return to the capitol building. this is an extraordinary time. yesterday we closed down the schools in the state of illinois. we closed down the court system in chicago. it's an exceptional time and i wish senator mcconnell would get into the spirit of this effort,

this national bipartisan effort to deal with it. if he said i'm going to ask for unanimous consent so that all the senators and all the staff people don't have to return to this capitol building it would mean we'd get moving more quickly. hats off to nancy pelosi, but the democrats said the highest priorities are testing and the families who are going to need the test and this bill, not the last bill by any means but this moves us in the direction of guaranteeing free or at least affordable testing through every mechanism in the united states and a paid family leave and medical leave for the employees who are sick and should stay home. >> i think a lot of people were alarmed to watch the fed pump, you know, a trillion dollars almost instantly into the banks into the financial system. can democratic senators guarantee that no bill will be allowed to get on the floor, pass in the united states senate that gives any money that could trickle back down to donald trump's hotel industries that

could pay off the banking industry or the shale oil industry which he thinks for some reason ought to get paid. will democrats ensure that those industries, no those super rich do not get paid off of any bill that passes to help ordinary people? >> i could not speak for a guarantee what senator mcconnell and his republican senate caucus is in favor of or opposes at this point but i do trust speaker pelosi and the house democrats to make sure that this doesn't turn out to be some sort of windfall for certain industries, the favorites of the white house. let's make no mistake about it. this is going to take its toll on the economy. when delta airlines announced yesterday they were going to reduce their flights by 40%, that means idling a lot of planes, a lot of pilots and a lot of workers in every level and that's going to happen in a number of industries that are affected by this pandemic in the united states. i want to make sure we get this economy back on its feet in a sensible way. we shouldn't play favorites in

doing it. let's have first families take care of families and workers, the first victims of pandemic if we don't do this right and secondly to get the businesses back in a position where they have a future as well. small businesses first. >> yeah. senator thank you very much. appreciate your time this morning. >> thanks, joy. >> joining us now is the director of the harvard global health institute. thank you so much for being here. let's start -- i'm going to go back where i started from. back to the beginning. on testing, can you explain, you know, why -- why it is so important that we be testing broad numbers of people? >> yeah, good morning, joy. thanks for having me on. absolutely. look, if you want to know who's got the infection because obviously if you have the infection you can spread it to others. you've got to be able to test. the strategy that almost every other major country is now using is you test people, you identify them. if they're infected you separate

them, you -- and then you track everybody that they have been in contact with and you monitor them for symptoms. if they develop symptoms you test them. and this is how we bring epidemics under control. this has been the standard strategy for 100 years. it works. the lynch pin of that is the ability to test people. if you can't test them you can't take on this strategy and you can't know who's sick and who's not so it's incredibly frustrating that we can't test the kind of patients that we need to be testing right now. >> let me play you a sound bite i heard this morning and this was the governor of maryland. i want to let you respond to it. >> the real concern for us right now really isn't about testing. it's about stopping the spread, social distancing measure, preparing for the kinds of things we can do to stop and slow down the growth and quite frankly at some point we're not going to be arguing about the

testing. we're going to be worried about taking care of sick people. >> this seems to me a league way ahead, i am a layman, i am not a professional like yourself but we are testing in the united states 23 people per million and to compare, south korea is testing 3,692 people per million. how can a governor of a state that's got cases like so many states do say that test sg not a priority? >> yeah, so it's a really important point. look, we should be -- our estimates are that we should be doing 150,000 tests a day in the united states. we're not even doing a tenth of that right now but that's probably the kind of numbers we need to be doing if we're really going to wrap our arms around this. what the governor is saying and i disagree a little bit about the testing issue, but he does have one very important point. if you can't test, which is where we are right now, we can't test widely, then you've got to implement these very difficult social distancing stuff.

we've got to close every public school. every school in america has got to close down right now. that's where we are. businesses need to be letting people work from home if they can. we should have no public events, no concerts, nobody should be going to museums. that is a strategy that you need to implement when you don't know how bad the infection is in the community and when you don't know because we can't test people. so i agree with social distancing as a critical strategy right now, but that doesn't to me diminish the need for testing. >> and so this is the other thing that i think bothers a lot of people. they don't understand, some people can get tests so we know that a utah jazz player has it because obviously somebody or people in the utah jazz players are getting tested. south korea has managed to test lots of people. they've just, you know, they're prioritizing the most vulnerable people. the cdc has only tested 77 people this week and yet the jazz was able to test all 58 players in a matter of hours.

how -- how are some people getting access to this? >> yeah, look, the testing strategy right now is because the tests are not materializing from the federal government meaning we were promised by vice president pence that we'd have a million tests by the end of the week, that obviously didn't happen. every state is taking its own approach and states are essentially rationing tests. and i actually think -- i have a lot of sympathy for state officials. staitd officials are doing a fabulous job under difficult circumstances. how any one individual group got access to the test i don't know. what i know is that it was probably that state that made the decision to allow that group to be tested. but the bottom line here is we have put state officials behind the 8 ball. they're having to ration tests and they're making difficult decisions and that means preventing doctors who need the test for some critically ill patients from being able to test those patients it's a very tough situation. >> it's important to know that

that utah jazz player was positive. i think that's important to know but there are probably also elderly people in utah, problem people compromised that could have used it too but if the rationing means you tutah jazz e can get it but regular people can't, that's a weird kind of rationing. that's me. i'm not going to put that on you. in a seattle nursing home unable to test 65 workers. here's a great contrast to that previous story. they have symptoms, they can't be tested. i was filling in at the 10:00 and talking to a doctor who has five patients that are symptomat symptomatic. they can't be approved for it. how can it be that health care workers cannot be part of this rationing of tests? >> we have such limiting testing capability and it's worth understanding for your listeners that almost every major country in the world is doing many, many

more tests than we are. when you have forced rationing you're going to make some decisions and sometimes those decisions are not going to be good ones and obviously -- obviously we need to be testing health care worker who is have symptoms. we need to be testing vulnerable patients, older patients who have symptoms. those are the people who should be the top priority. i have a lot of sympathy again for state officials, for doctors, for other people working under extremely difficult circumstances when they can probably get tested one out of ten or 20 people who need it. >> and very quick before i let you go. is mobile testing a good idea because that's a thing that's happening, the drive by testing. >> i think drive by testing is a great idea and if you can -- again, you've got to -- we don't need everybody in america to get in their car and go to the mobile testing. that's not a good idea but what we need is a strategy that says look, if you've got symptoms, if you've been exposed, any of those things, then you should be able to -- and the nice thing about mobile testing is then you

can drive up, you get your test, you go home and then you kind out if you're positive or negative or not. that's a great strategy and the drive through testing is the ultimate american approach. i'm excited to see it come to be but we've got to get the tests first. >> thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> and joining me is bill di blasio. i feel like we're not seating far enough apart. >> we'll make it work. >> the testing thing is really -- you know, maybe i'm a bit obsessed with it because at this point it seems insane in a modern country, in a great city like new york city that it seems almost impossible for people to get a test. can a new yorker or someone in this city that is symptomatic in some way get a test if they need it and if so, how? >> people can get a test. it is according to the priority structure and there's not enough testing. it's as simple as that. we've been pleading with the federal government for weeks,

publicly, letters phone calls, get us testing. here's reality. this is a war like situation. we're in a wartime scenario with mar-a-lago attitude being used by the federal government. it's so laid back, and i don't understand it and by the way, testing, how about ventilators, where is the federal government making sure our hospitals have the lentlators we're going to need? where is the federal government when it comes to surgical masks? this is a case for a nationalization of crucial factories and industries that could produce the medical supplies to prepare this country for what we need. hand sanitizer. people are going crazy trying to get hand sanitizer. >> is it true we're having hand sanitizer now made in new york? >> the state has found a way to make it and that's great but the point i'm saying is the federal government should recognize this is a crucial part of stopping

this. there should be a national approach to ensuring every factory that can make hand sanitizer should be on 24/7 shifts and the distribution could go to the places that need it most. we're not into the discussion because we can't even get the testing. >> and people left to their own devices to stock up on toilet paper. >> i want to play a clip, he's dealt with ebola and lots of other crisis and i asked him this question and let me let you listen to his answer. >> can't we get the w.h.o. test? i mean, if you're a billionaire, just buy the w.h.o. test. >> absolutely. it would be engaging the company making the gold standard test based out of germany but also has very large offices here in the united states. if we had engaged them early on, paid them to up ramp their

production, we're already at a lot of production but if we had paid them to do more. >> i know the city of new york is using a test and it's a test that tests for lots of different things. it's a one off. >> two things going on. doctors in general have a test called bio fire which you can go to a doctor's office and get. that's to rule out a whole host of diseases. once you know you have one of those, i think it's 26 diseases and you don't have coronavirus and that's great. once you are found to be negative for those others then proceed to the coronavirus test. >> and so does new york have the other test. >> we have some testing capacity but nowhere near what we need. the federal government, fda could approve automated testing by every private laboratory with the testing we have right now it would speed up the process immensely. allow us to do thousands of tests a day, get the results the same day in many cases. we should be doing going for all

additional testing. >> this is a rich city. couldn't new york just buy the test? this is the gold standard being used all over the continent of asia, europe, every other country is using it. it's a rapid test. it's quick, it tests directly for this virus for the covid-19. it's accurate. it's being used everywhere. why doesn't new york just buy it? >> if it's legal according to federal law and we can do it we'll do it. i mean, literally i'll do anything at this point because as you said about the million tests we were supposed to get. it's impossible to believe the federal government and i'm saying this with sorrow, joy. we've been calling and begging for help. i can't imagine any other moment in american history where we are in the middle of pandemic and cities and states were pleading with the federal government to send help and there's not that wartime footing. it's not the beginning of an urgency and it's almost like you're used to the fact they'll let you down at this point. we are going to take matters into our own hands any way we

can. >> let's talk about schools. new york city unique among a lot of cities and states that are not closing. why not close the schools? the argument to close them is that it would, you know, protect those young people, the kids and the teachers and the maintenance workers and everyone from community transmission and that there are ways that you could set up feeding, making sure people get food, making sure kids get lunch. why keep the schools open? >> i don't think we're unique. i think a lot of cities and states are grappling with this right now. we are worried about a cascading effect where if we close schools watch out what happens with mass transit, how do you keep your hospital system and your health care going. these all interrelate. you're not going to have a functioning health care system if the folks in the medical field, the doctors and nurses and everyone has to stay home with their kids. you're not going to have a functioning medical system if no one can get to work. schools mass transit and health care system. we're trying to hold the line with that. right now we think that has to

be held together. the other part of the equation, joy, what are these kids going to do? i guarantee you if we close or close for a long long time do we really believe these children are going to stay holed up in their room for a month, two months or three months? no, they're going to gather together in groups. what are families going to do? they're going to go see their friends and we've ree created those social net works. in a school a child is supervised and safe. there's over 400,000 teenagers in schools. do i you want them home without adult supervision? think about all those dominos that might fall in that case. so we have to strike a balance right now. >> yeah, we're just getting this news in my ear right now. we just got reports that the first new york city resident has died, an 82-year-old woman as died in new york city of covid-19. >> we've been very, very worried about her. she had the best of my memory preexisting conditions. obviously advanced age. i was hearing the same news just

before coming on. we wanted to confirm it. joy, it's tragic. we are going to lose some people here and there were some i am certain that could have been saved if the testing were here from the beginning. >> here's the thing. new york city is also the most accessible city in the world in terms of mass transit. you can get all the way from way deep in brooklyn all the way to way out in queens and in between. >> yep. >> can that transit system stay open? this woman we don't know who she's traveled near, we don't know if her family members get to visit her by train, by bus, we have a problem here in the community transmission would seem to be quite easy in new york. >> world health organization just came out with yet another report, 65,000 cases in china they tested, they studied i should say and this is not an air born disease so you can be on the subway with someone. that's not the problem. the problem is the close contact, the transmission of fluids between people. that's what we know. now, what we've got to be clear about is, right now our subway system, i agree with you it's

extraordinary but it has emptied out in large measure because of reality. people are telecommuting, we're asking people to stagger work hours off rush hour. you take out the subways, you just collapsed your health care system in many ways. that's the blunt truth and the thing we have to be honest about in this country, if we don't keep the health care system together, that's when this becomes overwhelming. those professionals, they have to be at work, they can't be home with their kids, they have to be able to get to work and we have to keep them healthy. so when the governor of maryland spoke earlier he was talking about that danger up ahead where our last line of defense is our health care system but we have to keep it intact in the meantime. >> i have a friend who was texting last night. we were doing this q and a and couldn't get his question in but i think it is a good one. people who are immune compromised, people living with hiv living with immune

compromising illnesses of all kind, what should they be doing right now? >> a high level of isolation. five areas. immune no compromised, cancer, diabetes, serious heart disease, serious lung disease. for folks who have one or more of those conditions and are over 50, that's overwhelmingly where we're losing people all over the worlds, that category. don't go near anyone sick, don't put yourself in a situation where you have to be too close, you don't get on a crowded subway car, you don't go to a party where people are going to be close together. a grandparent wants to see their grandchi grandchild, not if that grandchild has the sniffles. it's real strict rules. >> the woman who died was 82 years old. she had emphysema and she went into the hospital march 3rd. so just to give you some more information because it is people that already have existing issues that are the most compromised. what about people who you know i'm going to cite another person that i know that has a loved one who is right now in care -- in a

care facility for an unrelated illness. it's not an immune compromised sort of illness but they are now not allowed to visit. so because i think there are also issues of loneliness, of people being isolated, elderly people who people who are ill who now can't get visitors. what do we do about this? >> this is a big issue. some of our top health care professionals have pointed this out. the mental health issues here are huge. the fact if you have a senior who is so isolated literally has taken away some of their will to live. it's giving them no opportunity for social interaction. that's dangerous too. i think it's about some balance. the folks compromised, very strict rules. if you've got a senior who's healthy it doesn't mean they can't have social contact. it means be careful being around anyone who might be sick. >> i have to go. i don't want the commercial to cut you off. thank you so much. >> next up, trump autographs a

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>> how do you choose the point you decide i'm too sick to work today. >> that's the thing, i've had to work when i was sick too though. obviously if i'm deathly sick

i'm not going to work, but there's been times where i've had to work and i've had a fever and i've been coughing and i've coughed through the rides and maybe the riders rate me low, but i need to make money, so that's more important than getting low ratings. >> that very predicament is a harsh reality for millions of hourly workers in america. we're getting sick and not coming in for work means not getting paid. and as the number of coronavirus cases continue to grow, both globally and inside the united states, we are watching a slow motion shutdown of our normal lives. an unprecedented number of public gatherings are shutting down from broadway shows to sporting events, music festivals are being postponed or cancelled and it's often the hourly workers that staff those events, the maintenance people, the cleaning crews, the ticket takers, they're the ones that will feel the impact of those closures the most and while millions of americans grapple with how to handle the pandemic

and how it will change their livelihoods, their ability to pay the rent or mortgage and buy food and congress provides a way to provide free testing and employment money and how much to spend on that the federal reserve pumped $1 trillion into america's banking system this week. just moments after declaring a national emergency and name checking our great corporations and business leaders donald trump sent this off autographed chart of stock market gains to his most loyal supporters. joining me now, host of bellshi right here on msnbc and donna edwards. thank you both for being here. i'm going to come to you first. donald trump, this weird presentation that he did, weirdly like an hour before markets closed. >> yeah. >> it felt like the purpose of it was to try to fix the stock market crashing white house speech by boosting the markets by saying things that sounded

rational. >> it was great. the stage craft was great. having ceos of the health care corporations, the pharmacies, that at least made some sense i'm consulting with these people who know what they're doing who can distribute tersting but it was orchestrated. signing a stock market sheet about the biggest increase the day before we had the biggest decrease of 10%. the biggest point decrease in history. we've had a month in which you've lost 20% in the market. in the last year you would have lost 10% so this is a tragic way to be going about this but it did seem to be -- the stock market loss and the danger of both stock losses and potential recession spurred donald trump to take the public health part of things somewhat seriously, even his delivery at the rose garden still seemed a little bit like he didn't believe it. he wasn't into it. >> i watched this morning and i got the sense from the conversations that you were having this morning that we're

in recession. >> allen blinder, former fed chair has said so. former fed governor had said. one of the smartest economists in the world feels like we're already in a recession. ken said this one could actually be deeper than the last one. >> yeah. >> that was a bad one. >> and donna, for most people a recession doesn't mean the value of their 401(k)s goes down because not everyone has a 401(k). some work hourly, they're a waitress. my son is an usher. she doesn't have a 401(k). >> he's got a job. >> right. you have people working hourly and people that don't have me, they don't have a parent they can move in, they're not going to be able to pay their rent. that is a recession to most people. people who don't have a backup. what is that going to look like on the ground and is anything being done from your point of view to do anything about it? >> well, what you point out is

in fact most people don't even have $400 in the bank to meet an emergency need and so one of the things that this coronavirus pandemic has helped us see is it's actually peeled back the onion of the low age economy, a service sector economy that's really dependent on those ushers and maintenance workers and daycare workers and you know, wait staff at restaurants who depend on the number of hours in order to get their paycheck and so while the president was doing whatever it is that he was doing yesterday in the rose garden, nancy pelosi and house democrats were working with steve mnuchin to come up with a package that really puts those families, those low wage workers first in this, you know, downturn with the covid-19, but it's not going to be enough to get through a recession and i think one of the things that you see and i was

grateful to see this in the house passed legislation is that it -- we seem to have learned from the financial crisis of 2008, 2009 that you can't just focus on the financial sector and the upper part of the income. you have to focus on low wage workers, on workers who -- who work for hourly wages, who depend on customers coming in and buying products in order for them to have a job, and so that's what this legislation does. very unlike the troubled assets relief program that was done ten years ago. and so that was helpful. but i think that we're going to need a lot more to get through whatever this next phase is. look, we've been through a decade now of strong and growing market. it was inevitable that we were going to have this -- this cycle. we didn't quite imagine that it

would happen like this, however. >> yeah, let me play -- the bill sounds like it is a solid bill but let me just first play for you mitch mcconnell's reaction to it at least on tuesday because he's out of town now so we don't know how he feels about it today. here is mitch mcconnell on tuesday. >> unfortunately it appears at this hour that the speaker and house democrats instead chose to produce an id logical wish list that was not taylored closely to the circumstances. instead of focusing on immediate relief to affected individuals, families and businesses, the house democrats chose to wander into various areas of policy that are barely related, if at all, to the issue before us. >> first, what's in that bill that he thought was just unrelated to the various issues before us is free testing for covid-19, increased paid emergency leave, strengthening unemployment insurance.

boosting food security initiatives. increasing federal medicaid funds. i guess that wasn't enough for the shale oil industries and the banks and husbais donors. do you expect mcconnell to pass it or at least put it on the floor so others could pass it. >> it was a strong bipartisan vote coming out of the house. it was a bill that was negotiated with the white house. it's been signed on to by the president of the united states at long last and i think that there's not going to be any choice but to pass it in the senate to get relief directly to the american people. and think about paid leave. most people don't actually get paid leave. >> right. >> and so they really need that in order to get through this downturn that we're focusing on. and so this is not a wish list. i mean, it's a necessity for american workers. >> absolutely. you know, 81.9 million people are paid hourly in this country.

>> correct. >> people don't have the luxury of staying home. >> right. >> they don't have extra money. >> the national minimum wage is still 7.25. the push by most people is for $15 an hour minimum wage which free marketers are completely against. they said let the market set the wages. $15 an hour gets you 31,000 a year pretax. we're not robbing the ruch blind to pay somebody 30 -- i invite a lot of people to try to live on $31,000 a year. that's the issue. so this weird policy stuff that mitch mcconnell is talking about is what working americans need. it's what people across the free world, the democratic world get by the way. we're one of the few countries that does not give people sufficient paid leave or maternal leave. right? we just don't do that. so that's not weird but it is emergency stuff for the moment and it should be done. if those people get sick and can't go to work they're going to make other people sick and

we're going to give the coronavirus to our elderly parents and people will die. this isn't about whether you think the poor is being greedy at the moment. that's a discussion for another term. they will also get you sick. i think it will be very hard for mitch mcconnell to not get behind this. >> i think the voters of kentucky should watch closely what this man does because he hasn't exactly expressed a lot of concern for the ordinary man and woman in this country. there's a lot of concern for shale oil, rich people, making sure the affluent get tested. you know what, there are a lot more people in this country than the affluent. the rich need to get on board with the rest of us. >> good look working without ordinary people. thank you both very much. i need to calm down. next up, america, thank you always. america has overcome its share of challenges.

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disruption to everyday life may be severe. i had a conversation with my family over breakfast this morning. i told my chiron that, while i didn't think they were at risk right now, we as a family need to be preparing for significant disruption of our lives. good morning. welcome back to "a.m. joy." as the country battles to

contain the spread of coronavirus, officials in states have teen significant step. schools in several states have shut down empirely, and multiple universities are desolate, turning to online classes instead. large gatherings that have become routine parts of our lives like nba games and march madness have been canceled. the boston marathon has been postponed for the first time in 144 years. graduations and church services happen in about every state. with easter just weeks ago, it's not clear what that will even look like it's one of the few times a mass crisis will impact every single american, no matter who you are or where you live. joining me is author of "how to catch a russian spy." max brooks, and 'licioalicia, a

frank galuzzi. before we jump into how our lives will feel and look different, because you have frank here, you have to ask you to start off with, because one of the ways we got here is we don't have anyone really in charge and sort of coordinating this response the president is worried that large victims will hurt the stock market and make him look bad, so he doesn't seem to be primary focused on -- but he also got rid of the office that was in chang of it. he got rid of the pandemics office. he says he doesn't know who did it and it didn't have anything to do with him -- >> he needs to desperately

establish credibility, and it's almost beyond hope he can claw back 9 credibility he's never had. there's very few times when you absolutely must have strong centralized federal leadership, and we have a vacuum right there right now. what is filling that vacuum? governors, municipalities, county commissioners all figuring it out themselves. here's a problem with that. if new york is doing one things and the folks in connecticut are doing another thing, you minimize the risk that you can mitigate or contain that virus. we need before than ever before strong centralized federal government. we're not getting it. we don't pay or elected officials for the best-case scenario, with you pay them to plan for the worst-case scenario, and guess what? trump has gotten rid of the people more supposed to plan for this. >> what does it do to a country from a leadership standpoint, when it appears that those who are still in the game, the dr. anthony faucis, the public

officials who still have a decent amount of respect from the public, don't feel comfortable telling him anything he doesn't want to hear. they know what he doesn't want to hear is large numbers of victims, so they're shading what they think, at least according to the politico reporting, they shading what -- so they don't want to get -- and he's not being told the truth, because people are too afraid on level with him. >> that's leadership at its worst when you're leading by intimidation and fear, and even the strongest personalities like dr. fauci and others, you can see their demanor change -- >> they're still praising him, like their doing the kim jong-un thing with him. >> he needs to either lead, follow or getting out of the way, and it seems like the best scenario is for him to get out of the way.

>> you wrote a book called "world war z." i think there's a feeling of chaos. i'm sure that people are panicking or starting to be really afraid, because without having a president that is reassuring, a president who can give you the facts even when they're difficult -- i had a lot of issues with michael bloomberg, but in a crisis he was pretty good at explaining. barack obama was excellent at empathizing, making you feel comfortable, doom. bill clinton was good at it. ronald reagan even hadded moment when the "challenger" exploded and comforted the country. trump can't do this. what happens down the line? >> this is the advantage of living in a republic's opposed to as autocrazy like china or korea.

but freedom comes with responsibility. we have the ability ourselves as citizens to slow down this plague. >> and social distancing -- "new york times" has a piece on this social distancing may be our best weapon to fight the coronavirus. so can you talk a bit about how you do social distancing in a way that doesn't then proceed to leave a lot of people lonely, a lot of people cut off. you know, we have a lot of our senior citizens who really need the comfort of having family around them, who then people are afraid to visit them. if you have a sniffle or cough, you don't want to go near your grandma. >> it's one of the unique challenges. as social animals, human beings crave community. we can do it with technology. facetime, we always have the telephone. we just can't touch them. my father is 93 years old. he lives right down the street. i can't give him a hug right

now, because that's not responsible. until i know i'm not infected, i can't risk infecting him. >> the piece that you guys are working on -- i nose that "news week" is working on this, a the lot of alarming fears, we'll go from a relative calm to our hospital system being overrun. not just with people who definitely are infected with covid-19, but people who might be, that the e.r. starts to fill up, and now -- what are we facing. real world, what are we facing? >> the biggest challenge is not just the number of people who show up at the hospital or put a demand on doctors, but the speed with which that happens. people talk about the flu and how many people it kills yearly. that's over the course of a year. with covid-19 we're talking about a rapid push on medical

infrastructure, so the challenge here and the responsible thing to do, as what matt just said, if you're sick, stay home. you really shouldn't only be going -- here in seattle they suspended elective and non-essential surgery. so as americans, we sort of have to take part of that responsibility. don't put a strain on the medical systems unless you acutely need it. it is very much a real concern, joy. we're watching what the department of defense is looking at. we're watching what the intelligence community is looking at. we know the defense intelligence agency was preparing briefs to the joint chiefs of staff. they don't ever deal with viral threats. they were briefed on the potential for covid-19 to become a global pandemic, so at least the white house must have been aware of these briefs as early as late february. the fact -- and here in seattle that they miss that had two to

three-week window where they could have rolled out aggressive testing and surgical isolation, is unconscionable. we missed that. the self-quarantine is the responsible thing to do, but the trump administration missed that two to three-week window. disney world and disneyland will now close. colleges cancelling, postponing graduations. there's a delayed reaction. we just stopped having tours he at 30 rockefeller plaza. things are happening, but it's in a delayed state. it feels like all of this is two weeks too late, which i think makes people feel more angry. >> i couldn't great more, we have an administration that has

completely bu lly bungled the responsible. you and i of course are being caught in the crosshairs, did you we depend on people showing up to care for our elders, our children, who are certainly cause in the cross harris -- crosshairs on this. domestic workers cannot stay home, and certainly because of the type of work that domestic workers do, caring for the ill, caring for children, caring for families, but also because frankly they can't afford to take a day off. so they have this really interesting moment where we could be having a serious level of leadership at our federal government level, and we're also just seeing that they're just not capable of doing it. so i couldn't great more with

the previous speaker that we are depending on governors and mayor to say figure it out. but we also should be depending on each other to figure this out, too, in november. quite frankly there's a lot we can do observing the response of this administration, to make sure we have responsible, accountable, capable leadership that can lead our country, not just in moments of bounty and moments of things that are good that are happening, but certainly and most necessarily in times when wither going to need to figure out a way forward together that's going to save actual lives. >> just for a moment, one of the concerns that a lot of people are expressing, and i share it, is the election. a lot of elections are held in schools. if schools -- it's not easy to

trust. louisiana is now postponing the democratic primary. i don't know why people are doing what they're doing but it worries that the decisions you can't trust going all the way to the top that they're not political or about the stock market. it's not clear. >> if you have transparency and credibility and trust, you think we're going to be doing the right thing and you don't get the conspiracy theories, my god, this is headed to the election this could turn around, but weed see crowdsourced solutions, some states with technology and creative solutions, they'll say we could have drive-by ballots. you could drive by and stick the ballot in the box. here's my advice to those states and to the democratic party, get on it now and start planning for

social distancing in a voting process. >> right. you've already got a situation where in a lot of red states people have to stand in close lines with people. hard to social distance when you're having to stand in seven-hour lines because texas or florida is not having enough places for democratic voters to vote, because they want to make sure that fewer people vote. there's voter suppression issues, crowding. this stuff is all happening. it's not easy for people to stay away from conspiracy theories. who knows what donald trump will do if this is still going on close to the election. >> in seattle, it's strange. two weeks ago it was a normal city, and we've gone to driving down here this morning, there's not a person out. the driver was telling me he's seen an 80% decline in business just in a week. it's fundamentally changing here. frank is right, it's up to the governors and mayors.

but with the elections, the responsible thing to do is not to put a group of people together. until this slots, or as they're saying, flatten the curve, it's frankly irresponsible to have events, elections included, where you are putting people in close proximity. that's really one of the ways -- we could have done that maybe a month ago with mass testing, but that ship has sailed. now the responsible thing is to have procedures and for us to accept our lives are changing and really the solution here is not just social distancing, but a little level of isolation. you've got to stay away from big groups. it's not november. this is the time to calmly and in a sober fashion figure out how we're going to do this. don't wait until november where it's a crisis. we're about ten days ahead of you. if you guys look at what we're doing, that's where you'll be in about a week or so's time. now is the time to start planning for child care and

things like that. >> each individual state, depending on the leadership, unfortunately it varies from state to state. i have to add david k. johnson to the conversation. a lot of anxiety people are having is, when you look at donald trump's response that's so fixated on the stock market -- he signed a copy of the stock market results and sent that to his supporters. he tweeted out this morning about the stock market numbers, even though he just presided over the greatest crash in 1987. he's so fixated on money, and the things he says he wants to do -- give money to hotel companies. interesting, he owns hotels. shale oil companies -- there is a sense that there's a queue, and regular people are at the back of the queue which it comes to being cared for. >> we see brought together his absolute ignorance and inability to process information with his

fixation on money. the $50 billion figure he announced yesterday, that's $150 person american. it's nothing. it's bupkus. all of the corporations that have had people to work at home, the sports leagues, the academic and nonprofit institutions, i think their actions reflect something that progressives could be very proud of. that's decades of effort to get everyone treated with respect and litigation that has made it clear it can be very expensive if you don't, and that includes their health. as for the money side, we'll need a lot more money. we're going to have problems down the road if it gets down to the higher enld of the estimates, with food distribution, with overwhelming our hospital system which would result in either higher death rates.

this is a big economic problem as well as a human tragedy, but we need to see the human tragedy first and provide the necessary economics to people. >> max, you're a sell fellow is the at the war institution -- this seems relevant. i was speaking to somebody in italy about the war footing that italy is in now. they're treating it as almost a state of war. it's hard for the united states to get there. we're not as unified, not even close. and our response has been sort of jagged. your thoughts. >> i can tell you that on a note of hope that even though americans probably get sucker punched more than any other countries, americans also have an amazing ability to adapt. you see that through our history. we're usually the last to the party, but we clean up because of who we are as a people, as a

accomplice cal system, a culture. we have the ability to transform our individual lives and our broader systems to make sure that we can go forward into a new reality. we will do this again. alicia, donald trump made a motte presentation about google that turned out to not be true, they were going to create a system to organize the response and google didn't know anything about it. it's not clear if there's planning that's real, there's a lot of rhetoric, and i wonder how that's filters down to people you're talking to. in the real world, do people believe the government is doing anything? >> no, in the real world people are panicked and scared. i get e-mails, that edge actually could last for eight weeks. you should be prepared to not be

able to go outside or be in connection with beem for eight weeks. i'm seeing and hearing pictures from grocery shelves of shelves that are empty. of the people i work with, certainly people aren't waiting for an administration that's proven itself to be incompetent, nor do they believe anything he's saying. i will say this. i think people can absolutely and people are organizing to get things done. certainly we have this families first coronavirus act that's moving through the house, trying to get people paid sick days, and we should be letting our legislators know we need to move that quickly. if you're an employer and you employ somebody who provides kay, you can also pay attention to what are the platforms of the people you are voting for to represent you. how do they plan to restructure

or government and government response to crises like these, which i think we can all anticipate will come again. these are not once in a lifetime types of crises. they will come up over and over again. we do need leadership that's responsible enough and competent enough to make sure we get through it together. >> david, you know,ed administration is still trying to go after medicaid and medica medicare. have we now sort of proven why the united states needs to join the rest of the planet with some sort of universal health care system that's truly universal? >> well, you know nixon agreed to universal health care, and absolutely we need university health care, with no out-of-pocket costs, and the democrats need to stop saying it will cost. it's the equivalent of no income taxes unless you make a half million a year.

that's a statistical number, not a real-world number, but that should give you a scale. 99% of americans' income taxes are wasted in our current non-system sick care system that only covering well about 80% of the population. we'll see if this crisis produces some sort of clarity. david cay jackson, frank, alicia, frank, i appreciate it very much. coming up our team will answer your questions. you can tweet your stories, your concerns, what you are most worried about with th the #msnbcanswers. but first, more "a.m. destroy." . try wayfair! oh, ok. it's going to help you, with all of... this! yeah, here you go. thank you!

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luis martinez is just one of the estimated migrants dealt a blow on wednesday, when the supreme court ruled the trump policy called "remain in mexico" can continue. this 2019 program has already sunday 160,000 migrants to mexico as they wait in limbo. it's not just mike rants waiting who are concerned for their safety. the coronavirus pandemic has raised serious concerns about the health and well-big of asylum seekers currently in do tension in the u.s. on the organizations have called on i.c.e. to release detainees,

as one immigration lawyer told "time," it's only a matter of time before there's an outbreak. joins is you want of voter latino, and msnbc contributor, and columnist for the "daily beast." this piece from "mother jones" a si simple weigh to slow the -- last week a cuban asylum seeker called me from a not-for-profit jail in louisiana, to express the same fear spread ace kroy the world. if it gets in here, he said, it's going to be a massacre. it's going to be a massacre, because every will get it at the same time. not just one person, because we're all breathing the same

area. >> i thought this in the back of my head. it is a thing you think about when you visit a place like that. >> you must under the cruelty dates back not to the coronavirus. his administration was withholding flu shots for the majority of detention facilities, even though we had documented cases of people dying of the flu inside the facilities. these individuals are not there by themselves, they're not isolated. they have people who comes in and go back into society. this is very real. when the aclu requested that washington state revisit. coronavirus and said that people who are incredibly vulnerable, pregnant women, the elderly, they're saying these high

probl problematic people who can spread it. the american public is at risk if the president does not create a protocol and says if you are one of the 11 million undocumented individuals living in this country, we are going to provide you a reprieve. we are not going to have any i.c.e. agents located at any medical facility. we want you to get tested. the reason this is so important is these 11 million people, 3/4 the backbone of our economy, taking care of our elderly, picking our food, they're the ones in restaurants, in the hotel industry. the list goes on. it's a public safety measure for the president to use his oval office to do the right thing, to ensure that every american is safe. i want to make sure the person that is tested regardless of status has -- i want them tested.

i want to encourage that they feel safe. i want to encourage that the government has the system to make sure that regardless of status. that's something he should do. >> they could release people, particularly those most vulnerable. so far i.c.e. appears set on keeping detention numbers high. in the first week of march we talked earlier about donald trump's interest in keeping covid-19 numbers low, but he wants to keep detention

numbers high. there is this effect on his base that they need to do a lot of brown people getting locked up, see a lot of brown people getting locked up and mistreated, because it's part of the psychology of trumpism. >> if you were wonders how a -- we seer it with donald trump. hess speech this week he retreated charles kurtz' tweet about it's a chinese virus and we need a wall here. >> i don't mean to stop you. we do have a call in, new york state has recorded its first death as we told you earlier in the show joins me by phone is

governor cuomo. thank you so much for calling in. i want to allows to you react. some some ways it gives you a perspective. this is an 82-year-old woman whose emphysema, and then she contracted the coronavirus. she passed away. we're going to get more of this, but the context is important. look, if you're 82 years old and you have emphysema and you catch the normal flu, you will be in a gravely ill situation. we lose tens of thousands of people in this country who are elderly, compromised immune, have an underlying illness and then catch the flu.

it reinforces the popular -- vulnerable population. >> we know donald trump has attacked new york state, new york city, but new york state in particular, and even yourself personally and your family over immigration issues that new york is refusing to comply with the extreme parts of his immigration agenda. the through that people who are detained if covid-19 was to -- it could kill a lot of people there is there something. >> that's a very good question,

joy. the president attacks the state, me, my family members, but know me by my enemies, right? i do oppose the president's immigration policies. i oppose the sense of separation that he's brought to this nation, the demonization of immigrants. we do everything that we can in new york to make the exact opposite point and i am proud of it. in terms of populations that are in close quarters, it's not just i.c.e. and detention. it's the prison sim. we are started to see that, we will see more of it. you have people in dense situations. that's where you have the transmission. we're trying to reduce density everywhere, schools, et cetera. one of the most dense areas are the state and national prison system where you have people in close quarters. that's going to be a real

problem and a worse problem as this develops. again, affecting the vulnerable populations. >> yeah, indeed, thank you very much for being with us thor. thank you guys all for joining us as well. up next, the governor has weighed in. we already talked about our first coronavirus death, but we're going to reset and come back after this break for more "a.m. joy." this break for more "a.m. joy. so will this recital. depend® fit-flex underwear offers your best comfort and protection guaranteed. because, perfect or not, life's better when you're in it. be there with depend®. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking,

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donald trump's approach to the biggest crisis of his presidency. my next guest is tony schwartz author of "the art of the deal, and the way we're working isn't working." we were reminiscing on the first time we met. >> yes. >> back in 2016 right before the election, and now we are seeing a lot of what you and i have since discussed, about who donald trump is and what his character is like. i want one more sound bight. this is a question to donald trump. >> you said that you don't take responsibility, but you did disband the white house pandemic office and the officials that are working in that office left this administration abruptly. what responsibility do you take for that? the officials that worked in the office said the white house lost valuable time because that office was disbanded what do you think of that?

>> i think it's a nasty question. what we have done, and tony has said numerous times that we saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing. when you say me, i didn't do it. we have a group of people. i could ask perhaps my administration, but i perhaps ask tony about that, because i don't know anything about it. >> okay. i don't know anything about it. it's not me. he starts by saying it's a nasty questions, so dismisses it entirely, and the next thing that happens is her mic gets cut, she can't even respond, and he tosses it to someone else. what is this? what is happening? >> i think you're seeing trump under what, in the medical profession, they call alistatic overload, and you physically break down, but you also break down psychologically, so all the worst aspects of yourself aflier

esce. there's a jaw-dropping story that the people around trump are kind of afraid to tell him how bad this is, because a, he wants the numbers to look low, and because he'll just get mad. here is this interview with dave diamond, a politico reporters. >> secretary azar has not always giving the president the worst-case scenario of what could happened. my understanding is he did not push to do aggressive additional testing in recent weeks, partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of coronavirus outbreak. the president had made clear the lower of numbers on coronavirus, the better for the president, the better for his potentially reelection this fall. >> this is stunning. with wood row wilts been the mistake of the hubris of keeping

the support for the war high. >> well, it's delusional. it's a reflection of his deep, deep limitations and pathology. he cannot tolerate criticism. he cannot tolerate criticism. if you're an official who worked in the trump administration, even something like anthony fauci, who has been truthful and impressive, you know there will be a moment where trump says, nope, that's not okay, and fauci will be out. that's my prediction. so i think it's one of many, many qualities that we're seeing that undermine the ability to lead under these circumstances. >> one more bite for you, and then we'll chat. rahm emanuel talking about trump. i think this is very, very true. what's going to happen as this goes on with him. take a listen. >> he's not going to be able to have his rallies.

the office is isolating enough, and his inability to get the admiration and adulation will psychologically torture him. his tweets will get more vicious. >> there's an interesting way this is playing out for the people who are running for president. joe biden, because he's been vice president, it's helped him in the sense he can look and act like a president. he doesn't have to do big speeches. he just has to look presidential. bernie sanders, his core directive is health year, but for trump, i can't do rallies? what is he going to do? >> i think rahm emanuel is exactly right. everything will escalate with him now. you know, he's in this unique situation. he's been able over and over again to lie against what couldn't be objectively verified in many cases as unequivocallily

factual. right now who is he railing against? he's railing against a virus. the virus is going everywhere fast. >> absolutely. let's talk about what we do. we talk about trump all the time. we're all tries to process this new normal. >> most of the conversation is about what do we do to protect yourself physically, but arguably the more important thing is to protect yourself emotionally and psychologically, to take care of yourself psychologically, to deal with the fear that rises. what we know is fear oably rates your capacity to think clearly. >> yeah. >> it oably rates facts. that's something that trump has used. he's used fear to obliterate facts, and to calm yourself, is more critical than ever.

we're out there offering them a virtual webinar about managing in fear. four fast things. number one -- sleep. the more you sleep the better, unless you're deeply depressed and sleeping too much. get eight hours of sleep, enormously positive for your immune system and your psychology. two, intermittently rest during the day. tame time to renew. three, physically move. get exercise. number four, connect. connect. find ways to, even in this social isolation period to stay connected to people you love and who love you. i love the book. i appreciate you, man. tony schwartz, always great to talk with you. up next, do those four things. one of the culinary world's

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it's almost inevitable i think the vast majority if not all schools in all states should close. those that haven't should be preparing to that i can those steps. he need to talk about employers letting parents stay home to take care of kids. we have about 30 million children who rely a scowls to get food. we can think about this differently, now just schools as buildings, but as food distribution centers. 13 states, washington, d.c. and several large cities have closed all of that you are k through 12 schools due to the

pandemic. a quick programming note, before we get to our guest, the man tasked with leading the u.s. response to the coronavirus pandemic, vice president mike pence is expected to hold a briefing at the top of the hour. joining mess now is tom colicchio. thank you for being here. >> thank you. in the summer, where bet got our lunch was school. it was in denver, colorado, our parents didn't have to worry, but for a lot of -- >> my mother ran a school lunch program. this is an issue clear and close to my heart. as soon as i saw this pandemic starting to break out my attention was to the 32 million children. i knew that if the schools closed down es these kids were going to go hungry. currently there wasn't anything in the snap program with you can get an immediate boost, so it was great that that bill passed

the house yesterday. number one, it expands senior feeding, puts money into the food bank system. it givers benefits directly to people on their ebt card, but also kicks into summer feeding programs, which goes on ebt as well. this is a really, really good plans, but this is just beginning. there's a whole other set of planning that comes after this, similar to the american recoveries act under obama that will help boost the economy. under obama, an additional 13.5% went into the food stamp program. so we're expecting that as well. >> yeah, absolutely. this is actually pretty shocking, if you look at this, quote. in the u.s. more than two thirds of a 31 million students who reg lay eat lunches depend on a reduced price school lunch as a main source of daily nutrition. >> that's absolutely right. now, when they kids are not going to school, they're not

eating. the problem obviously from being hung we is a lack of nutrition. we need kids healthy right now. we can talk about the school lunches, but i think what we're seeing -- we hard from grover norquist and republicans saying we want to shrink government, but guess what? we're drowning in a bathtub. we allow them to use the words big government. we want smart, responsible government that's there to take care of a problem like this. right now we could talk about people living in poverty that clearly need help, but everyone -- so many people are one disaster away from needing help themselves. you look at the life you're leading, you're kind of getting by. something like this could put you in the same situation. we're all in this together. >> we talk about the low wealth people, they're not extremely rich or poor, but they don't have much in the bank, and if

they miss a couple days driving uber or -- >> when this pandemic hit i lost all my party business, for probably a good 100 people or so. they immediately lost their schedule. these are waiters. they're getting by. lucky think they boosted unemployment up. so we're making some good progress here, but we have to pass this in the senate and mitch mcconnell was planning on taking a vacation. luckily he decided to cancel that, but they need to get this bill signed immediately. >> the restaurant workers, bartend bartender, the way staff, the bus boys and women, that's who will be hurting now? >> they're already hurting. we saw an immediate drop in business and then we had to make decisions.

and so immediately we saw it vz -- yesterday, danny meyer closed 19 restaurants in the city. tom douglas in washington closed 20. >> le bernadin closed, and the question is will we ever get back to the peak. in harlem, they were sending out what they were doing, distancing tables. restaurants are trying to keep their customers safer, but at least trying to stay office. shouldn't the government subsidize this? >> andrew yang is looking really smart right now. >> he is. >> at least for the next month could be a trillion point 3, and i think that's what is needed. this is the time for activism. this bill is being passed by people who work for you. they're your employees, they people in congress, including

mitch mcconnell. >> everything that i'm hearing that reps and democrats got together and got it passed in the house. there were a handful of people who didn't vote for it, 40, i think. this is a reflex point in this. coming out of this, what kind of country could we be? that's what we need to focus. can we remake this country so it does work for more people. >> and if there's a disaster, everyone is covered. thinking about the people who are incarcerated, being held in detention, undocumented people, because anyone can be a carrier. it counts. tom, you're so great. thank you so much for being here. a quick programming note. if you tune in at 1:00 p.m. today, we'll have another hour of special coverage with experts. tweet your questions using the #msnbcanswers on twitter. more "a.m. joy" next. "a.m. joyt when i rent a car, i never compromise.

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since by 10:00 a.m. eastern time this morning. david gura is here with me. i want to play to yours expertise, the stock market, the business impact, finances for people, their personal struggles through all of this. what do you hope to hear from this news conference to alleviate the pain, if you will. >> i think we're still trying to get a grip on how that will be. the president made some strides yesterday with the news conference he had. it was well tailored to the markets certainly, taking place at 3:30 in the afternoon. surrounded by business executives. they tried to put forward this public face of a public/private partnership he's forging. that's where we are now, we see him looking at testing, so i suspect he's going to talk about

more of that in some detail, and still this open question is on testing, who is being tested, who has access? when do you seek out testing? i assume vice president pence will try to give us more clarity on that. >> in terms of the multibillion dollar fund that's being provided, how does that money get dispensed? >> still um in the air. there were strides made in crafting this physical package the the open question is when will that be paced by senator mcconnell. >> and chuck schumer said please pass it as-is, verbatim. >> that's generally seen as a step in the right direction. i was struck yesterday that the president had to be asked about the package. it wasn't something he talked about before he went to questions from the audience. what the government will be reckoning with is figure out what systemically is important. he