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the worldwide disruption is like something from a movie. as of this moment, there are nearly 4,000 coronavirus cases in the united states and more than 50 deaths across the country, numbers that are doubling every few days. two new states, montana and idaho today announced cases. the president has declared a
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national state of emergency. it frees up as much as $50 billion for states and u.s. territories to assist americans affected by the outbreak. the house passed a bill overnight that provides paid leave for workers and expands food security and free testing. the senate will take up the measure after a three-day weekend. these moves could not come soon enough. the economy is in peril, our health care system faces an existential threat from overcrowding. we try to wrap our collective mind around the enormity of it all and we're far from where we need to be in terms of testing our health care capacity and a coordinated effective response from our committee. the president -- >> reporter: my first question is you said you don't take point but you did disband the white
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house pandemic office and officials left abruptly. what responsibility do you take to that? officials that worked in that office said the white house lost valuable time because the office was disbanded. what do you think of that? >> i just think it's a nasty question because what we've done and tony had said numerous times that we saved thousands of lives. when you say me, i didn't do it. we have a group of people. i could ask perhaps in my administration but i could perhaps ask tony about that because i don't know anything about it. >> joining me now, florida's first surgeon general and was also the secretary of florida's department of health, jameel smith, alex thompson is the national political correspondent for politico. thank you all for being here. doctor, i want to start with you. the mayor of miami has tested positive for coronavirus.
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miami, florida no stranger to emergency preparedness. if you were in charge right now, what would you be doing for the city and for the state when it comes to combatting coronavirus? >> i am in awe of our public health workers, of our public health department and i am so glad that the focus has been that we need to make sure that our public health infrastructure is strong for cases just like this, for instances like this. it very different to be reactive. we really need to be pro active and make sure that our resources and public health workforce is there for instances just like this. but we are doing exactly what needs to be done. our testing is being expanded through the public and private partnership that we have with lab corps and quest. our hospitals are training and have been training always for disaster preparedness and we're looking at our schools are closing, we're implementing social distancing so we really
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are doing exactly what we should be doing at this time. >> alex, there is of course the question of what city and state governments are doing. we'll come back to that in a second. the biggest response coming from the national government, finally a disaster declaration coming on friday and this from "the washington post" this afternoon. president trump's son-in-law jared kushner who has zero expertise saw the administration floundering and inserted himself at the helm believing he could break the log jam of internal dysfunction. his super model sister-in-law father and emergency room doctor, crowd source suggestions from his facebook network to pass along to kushner and kushner pressed tech executives to help build test sites but the projects were only half baked when trump revealed them friday
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in the white house rose garden. can you give us a sense if the decision making is as chaotic as that sounds. >> yes -- >> alex? >> yes, it is as chaotic. they are playing tremendous catch up as downplaying concerns for weeks and weeks. part of the problem is we don't really understand the full scale of the privacy we're facing because we don't have enough testing. this is trickling do you into the low are states. not even all 50 states have declared their own emergencies. there was a big squabble this week with oklahoma city government turning off their water supplies and for people that were delinquent and so you can't wash your hand the reason was there haven't been enough positive cases in oklahoma. you're now seeing the cdc having
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worst case scenario pro jejecti of 200,000 deaths in response over the next several months of this crisis. >> there is the backward looking of how we got here but i think people are also very interested in the forward looking. given that we are now in a game of catchup, what should that game look like? >> in my book stellar medicine, i explore the political and psycho components to our health decisions we've seen more of the political economic calculus. i think it very important to take that humanistic side. i saw a pivot today during the press conference. there was more of a discussion about how communities can come together to help the most vulnerable, those who are elderly or have other underlying medical conditions. i hope there is more focus on that. as we've heard, we need to always have a robust health system. we have many lessons we can learn from the past since as what we did in our last pandemic
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in 2009 and 2010 with swine flu and the ebola epidemic. when you have a system where you've removed or taken away some of your health infrastructure, you're faced often with challenges downstream. as we've learned, the best defense is offense. we have a bit of catch up to do but we're going to have to do it very quickly because lives are on the line. >> given the contradictions and confusion that has come out of the white house, who should americans be looking to for leadership in this moment? >> well, right now, their state and local governments seem to be the ones taking this seriously and have done so from the very beginning. the problem is we have inconsistent responses. you have some states that have declared emergencies, some states that have not, but also we're seeing an inconsistency with how these states are able to, you know, put out resources. part of that is at the blame of the federal government. they said that people cannot expand their use of medicaid in
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order to deal with this crisis. we've seen headlines that indicate that despite the pelosi bill, they intend to still go after limiting food stamp availability. this is not the time to be dealing with this sort of traditional republican politics that we've been enduring. unfortunately, it doesn't seem like the president understands that. >> we'll get to some of those questions about legislation, what is the balance of power here? how many of these decisions should be coming from the national level and how much of this is really about state leaders, local leaders stepping up and making decisions? >> i think the local leadership is extremely important and all disasters are a local disaster, a local response. and of course with the backup of the state and finally of the federal government. so again, like you mentioned at the very beginning, florida is very used to from hurricanes to the gulf oil spill to anthrax,
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we're very used to responding, we have a very strong disaster management system. but without question the local leadership is very, very important. we have that and the state. the federal backup is extremely important and we have to make sure that our infrastructure is always present. >> all right, thank you so much for joining us. still ahead, speaker nancy pelosi played a political role in passing the coronavirus relief bill this week and it could be just the start of what's needed from congress. plus parents across the country are facing tough decisions, what to do when their kids' school gets cancelled. we'll talk about that dilemma and more later in the hour. tha and more later in the hour and! i can save you... lots of money with liberty mutual! we customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need!
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>> do you support the house bill? >> no because there are things in there that have nothing to do with what we're talking about. it's a way for them to get goodies they haven't been able to get for the last 25 years. >> unfortunately it appears at this hour the speaker and house democrats instead chose to produce an ideological wish list that was not tailored closely to the circumstances. >> reporter: but pelosi prevailed, even winning the support of the white house. >> the senate democratic leader schumer and i last weekend called for further action to put families first. today we are passing a bill that does just that, the families first coronavirus response act, which is folk $ direed directly providing support for america's families, who must be our first priority. >> i especially want to thank speaker pelosi, who was literally available to us round the clock for the last three days. >> steven mnuchin, who did a fantastic job and worked with
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nancy pelosi and their representatives, and it was really great, worked out very well. >> do you think speaker pelosi handled these negotiations well from her side? >> at the end of the day yes, i give her credit. >> alex, as we understand the path forward, which will likely require more legislation, i would love for to you pull back the curtain and tell us what you know about how this deal came together. >> well, you know the crisis must be bad if nancy pelosi and steven mnuchin are now best friends. so i would just say that, you know, you saw earlier in this week they were at complete loggerheads. it looked like it might even be a pure partisan bill on the part of democrats in the house, and then they were going to leave it to republicans in the senate to do their own bill and it was going to go back and forth, back and forth. what i think really happened was the severity of the crisis became increasinincreasingly cl
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especially to members of congress, especially many of those who are in the risk of e demographic due to their age. speak are pelosi did a lot of favors for a lot of her members, especially the swing district members who were breathing sighs of relief this week. they have a lot of tough elections this upcoming fall and this big bipartisan victory was what they needed. now going forward, what we're going to see is a ton of economic stimulus. steven mnuchin signaled the airline industry, the cruise industry, the entertainment industry, it going to be extremely expensive because we don't know how long a lot of thee industries and sporting events are going to be cancelled. >> when you look at this legislation, even people who were applauding its passage through the house were also critiquing it for the fact that it only covers about 20% of workers. who is left out of this legislation as it stand now? >> anyone working for a big
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company who chooses no the to cover paid sick leave, number one. number two, any person working for a company with fewer than 50 employees that wants to apply for a hardship exemption to the trump administration, they're left out. i think that, frankly, what we needed to see here from the democrats was a little bit more hard ball. we needed to see them come to the public and say republicans and the white house are insisting that we take this out of the bill, that we take out the guaranteed sick leave for all americans. what do you think about that? >> doctor, if it only covers 20% of american workers from an efficacy standpoint, does it really succeed in doing what this legislation promises to do? >> i think you have to start somewhere. i just want to go back to what we talked about previously. it's the message and the messenger. the messages have to be cogent, consistent with facts and they have to be really coordinated among all messengers. i think what this bill helps to do is raise awareness and raise
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the issues. of course everybody needs to be covered. this isn't just an issue that affects one particular realm of the population. what i hope happens is that the bipartisan effort that has come together, it's a bit ironic that the coronavirus has helped to at least create a little bit of that and the city can help build a greater package for everyone. we have to start somewhere and start quickly and i think we'll learn as we go through this pandemic we'll have to provide that coverage to ensure everyone is protected. >> this now moves on to the senate. what is your sense of how quickly it can or cannot move through the senate? >> my sense is this is going to move very, very quickly. the public is showing a lot of heightened anxiety and rightly so. you're having delta airlines do its biggest draw back 40% ever in its history. people can't go outside. they are scared to shake each other's hands. the senate is responding to public will and trump is also
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has shown his power to wield his influence over his own party members and he's saying you got to get this done. even though there's going to be a temporary fix in the house bill that will take place on monday, the bill that they passed wasn't perfect, you're going to see it go back to the house, i imagine it's going to go to the senate very, very quickly. >> jam il, is this a model of bipartisanship we'll see going forward? >> ultimately a bill needed to be passed. however, what we need to also see is one side seems to be more interested in protecting industries and in protects the president and another side is left to provide what the public needs. i think that side needs to fight a little bit harder. >> dr. mark, if you could see one piece added to this legislation, what would you want it to be? >> well, i would like to see a
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greater focus on what we can do for families and our caretakers. we are coming to a very important time where cases are going to start to increase as we begin to test, we're gill to reveal more of that. we're very concerned about surge capacity. you have to keep in mind it not you the number of patients who have coronavirus, we still have an underlying health system extremely stressed. people are coming in with heart attack and strobes and need cancer therapies and have had accidents. we need to ensure there is some protection that we augment our health system. i'd like to see a greater system on ensuring we very protective equipment not only for our health professionals but caretakers. we need to address as we bring people back into the home for care by family members that there is protection. and how are we going to cover treatment? it's not just testing, it's treat. one of the concerns i have is
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we have breaking news out of the white house. according to press secretary stephanie grishham, president trump has tested negative for covid-19 and remains symptom free. he was in contact with others who had tested positive. >> the democratic presidential hopefuls have cancelled rallies
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and town halls and for the first time we'll see a debate with just two candidates and no audience tomorrow night. sanders and biden are positioning themselves as the best options to replace president trump amid the failure of the government to hand this will pandemic. >> i can promise you this, when i'm president, we will be better prepared, respond better and recover better. >> we have an administration that is largely incompetent and whose incompetence and recklessness have threatened the lives of many, many people in our country. >> joining me now is chuck rocha, the senior adviser for the bernie 2020 campaign and founder and president of solidarity strategies. chuck, you and i have talked a lot over the course of this primary about your ground game,
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about how going door to door has been at the heart of your campaign. how do you adapt now that that is no longer the possibility it was even a week ago? >> you'll see it starting tonight, the senator is going to have a fireside chat with americans all across the country, kind of fdr style. we went more virtual. i'm not going to walk away from the comment that you just said. it means a lot. the bread and butter of this campaign is being able to knock on folks' doors and have one-on-one conversationswe'. we've had to do a lot more texting and phone call persian gulf we have a great presence online with all of our community that's networked together and we're really relying on that now since we can't knock on doors every day. >> do your paid media efforts change? >> we took a step back and we're evaluating that. we always had a robust media plan. when you have the ground game and you can support it with air
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cover, you run a pretty good operation. we're looking at that day by day today. right before i got into the chair, georgia has pushed back their primary off till may. i think you'll see more and more of that, puerto rico and louisiana has done the same thing. >> from the campaign's van tanni -- vantage point, what does it mean these states are beginning to alter their elections? >> i'm in charge of getting folks to go vote and i'm glad they're doing that. i felt really guilty over the last four, five days of calling folks and reminding them to show up at a polling location and stand in line when high girl friend didn't want me to leave the house to come to this studio and you all-ke keep it clean. >> does the message change in light of what america is now focused on? >> if you watch your government officials and talk about the government having a role in your health care, i just stood back and smiled because that's what we've been talking about with medicare for all and watching
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take care of the most vulnerable amongst us. when he rolled out, the senator, making sure utilities can't turn off your water and we're not evicting people during this time of crisis, this is really important and exactly what your government should be doing now is taking care of your citizens. >> we spent time talking about the latino vote. florida is of course coming you, arizona, how do you think you fare in those states? >> we're going to do really good in arizona. people don't realize but there's as many latinos in chicago as there is almost in the state of arizona. i'll be honest because you're my friend. florida is tough for us because we are working for every vote and that's why we've outspent everybody else on spanish language communication in florida 5-1 because we're going to fight for every one of those votes. >> i'd like to welcome the congressman of arizona, he has endorsed joe biden. before we get to the biden campaign, i do want to ask you
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about the legislation that went through the house. your thoughts. did it go far enough? >> i don't think it went far enough. obviously we have to deal with two other parties, particularly the white house and, you know, somewhat if they ever decide to come back to work. this is a good start but we need to fix it. the fact that we're only covering 20% of the work force when it comes to family leave and aid is very unfortunate. we need to go back and fill that hole. >> louisiana and today georgia, both states are delaying their democratic primary, wyoming is having people vote via e-mail but tuesday states in a joint statement say, quote, americans have participated in elections during challenging times in the past and based on the best was in we have from public health officials, we're confident voters can safely and securityly cast their ballots in the election and should carry out their patriotic duties on tuesday.
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do you have any information about hour arizona is proceeding? >> arizona actually largely votes by mail. 80% of the vote is going to happen by mail. about 60% of it is already in and then a lot of it is going to be walked in on election day at a polling site. i've talked to a couple of people here and listening to the recorder, the secretary of state, they have reduced polling places to make sure they are clean and efficiently run, but if you go to any polling place in america, you're going to be able to get a ballot, no matter where you are or what precinct you are. i think we're going to be fine in this state. i do think other states should continue with elections, switch mostly to an all-ballot election like you have in most other states and that would benefit democracy in the end. >> congressman, this is the point in this process where there are generally huge rallies, where you have candidates doing a lot of hand shaking. how does the biden campaign adjust in the wake of this new reality? >> well, we're adjusting by
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having virtual phone banks. i'm having a virtual town hall this coming monday with arizona and latino voters across the country. we're going to continue to basically press our case in the media, through social media and every other avenue that we can, including buying media time. so it does changes. we are the campaign that is surging right now. we're the campaign that has quite a lead and we're going to the sthalts are going to give us a bigger lead going into the convention. >> a big debate tomorrow night. it's the first time we'll see the two candidates together debat debating. what do you expect to see the contrast vice president biden draws? >> especially in this time when we see a national emergency, we'll be reminded about the calm, steady leaden of joe biden. imagine joe biden being the president right now. we would not have the craziness and chaos in the white house. this is a man that negotiated the paris climate agreement,
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that dealt with h1n1 virus last time around, negotiated the iran nuclear deal. he's the calm leadership we need right now and that's going to be reassuring to every democratic voters as well as just voters across the country. >> thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> still ahead, they watched children care for the elderly and keep homes clean every day but who is watching out for them in a pandemic? i'll talk to the director of the national domestic workers alliance. why she said the relief project doesn't do enough. and do you close the school system? there are a lot of concerns on both sides of that debate. we'll talk about some of them next. next yes. it's the first word of any new discovery.
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as americans move to work from home, for one group of workers, it's not an option. professional care givers face unique challenges. in a "new york times" op-ed, executive director of the national domestic workers alliance writes "overworked, underpaid and ignored, domestic workers and care givers are too often asked to put the needs of the families who employ them over their own families. they must navigate crisis and disaster time and again without a shaeft net.
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i'm so happy to see you ai-jen poo. what are some of the unique challenges these workers are up against? >> thank you for having me. we're talking about the millions of millions of immigrants and nannies who take care of their children and clean our houses and they take care of the elderly and people with chronic illnesses. they're going to work and they are in an incredibly insecure position to begin with. they earn low wages, poverty wages, have no savings, no safety net of own. they don't have paid sick days
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or paid time off for the most part or adequate access to health care. so they are incredibly vulnerable in this time of crisis and we are counting on them. so we have to figure out how to protect them. >> i want to ask you both about the government's response and what individuals who are employers should be doing. let's focus on the legislation that was passed through congress. you issued this response. the families first coronavirus response act would help slow the spread of the virus and protect workers by ensure most are able to take paid sick time. however, it fails to include businesses with more than 500 employees. what does that mean for the workers that you work with? >> listen, i think this measure is absolutely essential and everyone should pick up the phone and call their senator right now and express urgent and unequivocal support for this measure because it will make a game changing difference for millions of american workers.
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and we have to continue to do more. we have to understand that if the main way that we slow the spread of this virus is to keep people home, that that is an impossible choice for millions and millions of low-wage workers, especially workers in our service economy, who don't have benefits, don't have any kind of economic security and don't have paid time off. so this measure will help with that and we have to figure out financial assistance lo. longer term we have to make sure there are moratoriums on evi evictio evictions, utility bills. people are deciding between putting food on the table for their children and keeping the lights on and a roof over the heads of their children right now. >> if you are someone who has a caretaker that you employ, whether it is for your child or
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for your aging parent, what does it mean in this moment to be a good employer? what is the conversation you should be having with the person who cares for those you love? >> first of all, it really does need to be an explicit conversation. i'm hearing so many stories of people who are just losing their jobs without notice, losing income indefinitely with no real idea, with complete uncertainty about the future. so have the conversation, let your domestic workers and your care givers know that they have a job. offer them pay to stay home, to be able to take care of themselves and their own families. these are some simple measures. help them contribute to their benefits and their ability to take the time off. >> ai-jen, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> schools have been closing in an effort to keep student and faculty safe from the spreading coronavirus. but what happens to the children who depend on their schools to feed them? so far there are at least 15
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statewide school closures, including washington, d.c., according to nbc news. local headlines in states like maryland and michigan show efforts to keep kids from going hungry, even offering lunch pick ups. with me is billy shore, founder of share our strength, the organization that runs the no kid hungry campaign. tell me, when a kid is not able to go to school, what does that often mean for their nutrition? >> well, it often means they're not going to get the meals they depended on. this is where this coronavirus crisis has really become compounded into a crisis for the most vulnerable and the most voiceless among us, which are our children. and we now got 56,000 schools in this country closed as of today out of 132,000. 25 million public school students will not be in school in the weeks ahead and we've got to find other ways to feed these kids. >> what does an organization
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like yours do in a moment like this? >> there's several things we can do. if there's a bright light in this, it's that this is a solvable problem, the problem of feeding kids even during the coronavirus. we may have a shortage of coronavirus test kits. we have no shortage of food in this country. there's a number of things we can do. your previous guest talked about calling members of the senate to get there coronavirus first families bill passed. that's going to be critical because it will expand the snap food stamp benefits for sffamils that have kids missing school. also, everybody can participate in emergency food assistance, supporting your local food bank and if you go to our web site, nokidhungry.org, you'll find ways to support families with kids who need the meals. we have no shortage of food or food programs. this is solvable. >> i do wonder, though, from
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your perch should this be a problem that organizations and individuals are stepping in to fill the gap on or should the answer be coming from the federal government? >> well, i think it's a combination. clearly the federal government has had the responsibility for feeding kids and they've subsidized meals to the tune of 22 million kids who get free or reduced price school lunches, but we're in uncharted territory here. we all need to participate. businesses are stepping up, nonprofits, stepping up. so the federal government will still play a vital role in terms of underwriting the cost of feels but they'll have to be delivered in different ways, whether it's the no kid hungry campaign, save the children in rural areas, our partner feeding america, they can all make a big difference in this issue. >> this is a complicated question whether or not to close schools in "the new york times" reports with 1.1 million children it enrolls over 350,000 more student than the second largest school district los
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angeles unified. the city also has a highly vulnerable student population with about 750,000 students living at or below the poverty line, including roughly 114,000 who are homeless. if you are a decision-maker, how do you weigh the need to contain this virus against the economic and socioeconomic realities of many of these families? >> well, i think the first priority has to be to contain the virus. we've seen in other countries, spain and france, which just today went on a lockdown that there's been no benefit in waiting too long. i don't think you can act too quickly on this. we've got to listen to our public health professionals and the rest of us have to find ways we can fill the gap in our communities, whether it's donating, volunteering or the policy solutions that only congress can provide in making sure that senators, let's light up that switch board that senators hear from us and they know to get this bill passed. >> thanks so much for joining
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in the past two election tuesdays some districts saw turn out that eclipsed the 2016 primaries. in michigan nearly 1.6 million people voted than the crease of 33% from 2016. massive turn outs like that can help democrats overcome republican drawn some say state gerrymandered and state run districts. it isn't just congressional districts, an accurate census count is also crucial to distributing federal funding. you're going tohear a lot about
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gerrymandering over the next several months and there's a new documentary "slay the dragon" that looks at the movement to end the practice. >> where you draw the line makes all the difference. a mapmaker knows how they draw a line is going to an influence an election precisely. >> the reason you gerrymander is to make it harder for your opponent's vote to count. >> joining me now are the director and codirector of "slay the dragon." all right, i love imagining you guys in pitch memes. imagine it, a movie about gerrymandering. so why does this matter? >> this is one of the most essential issues that we face today. because a lot of people assume we have free and fair elections and everybody's vote counts the same. and we discovered it's just not true. until we solve this problem we have a rigged system. and when there's a rigged system we really don't have a democracy.
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>> can you talk to me a little bit about the relationship between turn out and ender jerry manderring? >> turn out is huge, it's absolutely huge. and for people who want to win elections they want to keep turn out as low as possible. it all just becomes one unholy mess. >> it's also my understanding that technology plays a huge role in this. let's look at a clip from the film. >> they use census data, educational levels, income levels. >> voters' partisan history, their race, their gender and their age. those factors tell you so much about a voter that you can predict how they're going to vote in a few years with a strong degree of confidence. >> they could go down the street and these people are republicans. we're going to put them in this district. these people are democrats,
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we're going to put them over here. >> how much has that technology changed since 2010? >> it keeps improving. the map drawers know with greater and greater efficiency and exactitude who is going to vote in what way. it just helps them ensure their own survival in office. it helps a political party win when voters are not with them. it's a pernicious practice, and fortunately technology is also the answer because increased, you know, ever-improving technology also calls the bluff and shows when jerrymanders for happen. >> talk to me about map makers because it can sound almost quaint. >> there are map makers. there are people unknown by most of us, but they go around and literally travel the country. like country doctors and draw
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these maps that last for ten years. that's what's so awful about this practice. and you do it once, it's done in utter secrecy but it lasts for ten years. so you have statehouses. you even have the congress basically dominated by one party that just in that short period of time it's going to be early next year or after the census is finished, basically pick and choose who the voters are going and be and how power and money is going to be allocated in this country. >> let's talk about the census count because with the coronavirus there are some concerns about getting a good count. changes might be needed to avoid thousands of census volunteers going door-to-door this year. are you concerned about the count in light of what we're seeing now? >> i think we have to be worried about the count and the coronavirus. but we also have to be worried about politicians using this as a pretext -- using coronavirus. canceling elections, postponing elections. we've seen politicians do
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whatever it takes to stay in power, to precipitate the system, to thwart the will of the voters. and i would be more concerned about them using this horrible outbreak as a way to manipulate the system. frankly, i think there are probably ways to do it safely, but we really need to keep our eye on the alteulterior motives. >> have they seen results from those efforts? >> absolutely. arizona has done it, california has done it. iowa has a pretty good system. and we think we've shown in the film independent commissions that bring voters to the floor that have them take control of this process as michigan is doing now is the way to go. and what's exciting about it is it's not just what we think about as blue states or even purple states. oklahoma is looking at it, utah is looking at it, ohio. so states you wouldn't usually think of in the vanguard of
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electoral reform, they're also doing it. >> and what are they motivated by? >> right, left, libertarian census when the rules are rigged, then it's unfair. the outcome is unfair. yes, we can disagree about policies and let's have that debate. but let's have it on the basis of fair rules. >> if there's someone watching outraged and wants to get involved, what's your counsel to them. >> our film is about this very inspiring citizen movement that happened in michigan, but they're all over this place. you can find these movements and join and you can really move the needle. you can make a difference. >> all right, thank you both for joining us. the documentary is "slay the dragon" and debuts april 3rd. that is all it time i have for today. i'll see you back here 4:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. up next richard engel brings a special presentation of on assignment, outbreak.
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